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== Heckler & Koch sniper rifle ==
== Heckler & Koch sniper rifle ==
Think it's safe to say the sniper rifle is a variant of the [[Heckler & Koch HK rifle series#Heckler & Koch HK417|HK417]], [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 07:25, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Think it's safe to say the sniper rifle is a variant of the [[HK417]], [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 07:25, 21 January 2015 (EST)
:If you zoom in, you can see it says MR 308, which is the civilian designation. But the first cap is not an MR 308. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:26, 21 January 2015 (EST)
:If you zoom in, you can see it says MR 308, which is the civilian designation. But the first cap is not an MR 308. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:26, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::Yeah, I noticed that too. Could be identical to one of the carbines/rifles generically referred to as 'M-16 Carbine', [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 07:30, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::Yeah, I noticed that too. Could be identical to one of the carbines/rifles generically referred to as 'M-16 Carbine', [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 07:30, 21 January 2015 (EST)
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The 727 has A2 sights, A1E1 upper and M4 profile barrel is a Model 723. So is the one with the M203 attached. There are no M4s or LE Carbines shown here, they're all 723s. The "sniper rifle" with the SIR handguard and red dot sight I'm inclined to say is an airsoft replica because it matches [http://images.ontheedgebrands.com/get/w/400/h/400/A21-DYMR733.image?notfound=notavailable this] almost exactly, right down to the barrel step for attaching an M203 even though the barrel would be too short for it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)
The 727 has A2 sights, A1E1 upper and M4 profile barrel is a Model 723. So is the one with the M203 attached. There are no M4s or LE Carbines shown here, they're all 723s. The "sniper rifle" with the SIR handguard and red dot sight I'm inclined to say is an airsoft replica because it matches [http://images.ontheedgebrands.com/get/w/400/h/400/A21-DYMR733.image?notfound=notavailable this] almost exactly, right down to the barrel step for attaching an M203 even though the barrel would be too short for it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)
: Hmm, so the difference between the two is the upper receiver and not the barrel? That's interesting - I had thought the barrel was the main difference (Given our weapon images) - 723 was smooth and 727 stepped. I had figured the uppers weren't a main distinction (as they get changed easily and I've seen 'em come many ways on otherwise set spec ARs); The listings I had seen seem to have pointed that way. But thinking about it, I don't recall any 727 listing showing a carbine without having A2 sights so I suppose that makes sense. I take it both were available with the stepped barrels and the receiver is indeed the only main distinction? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)
: Hmm, so the difference between the two is the upper receiver and not the barrel? That's interesting - I had thought the barrel was the main difference (Given our weapon images) - 723 was smooth and 727 stepped. I had figured the uppers weren't a main distinction (as they get changed easily and I've seen 'em come many ways on otherwise set spec ARs); The listings I had seen seem to have pointed that way. But thinking about it, I don't recall any 727 listing showing a carbine without having A2 sights so I suppose that makes sense. I take it both were available with the stepped barrels and the receiver is indeed the only main distinction? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)
::I should have known better when I said 727 above as I 100% know the difference. I was on the train after a long day when I posted that comment so apparently didn't think about it hard enough before hitting confirm. The safest way to tell the difference between the two is the receiver style rather than the barrel with the 723 always having the A1E1 and the 727 always having the A2. The 723 does always have an M4 profile barrel, but the barrel of the 723 gets a bit fuzzy. The vast majority of the pictures I have ever seen of them have had the A1 "pencil" barrel (which is why I just listed them as A1 type in the [[Colt AR-15 Identification Guide]]). However, some stuff I have read says that the very late models of the 723 had an M4 profile barrel (from 1987 onward I believe, and the M203 cut on the barrel was from an XM4 prototype called the Model 720 rather than the 727 "Dubai Carbine" as is often reported) which I suppose is what these could be. The thing is though, these 723s with the M203 barrel seem to be REALLY rare so it is odd to me that they would turn up in a film in such prolific numbers, but this does seem to be the only thing that fits the criteria (or it is some custom build, or obscure variant made by another company). Here is a pic of one with the M203 step regardless:[[File:Colt Model 723 with M4 barrel.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Model 723, late model with "M4" profile barrel - 5.56x45mm]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:27, 23 January 2015 (EST)
== Uzis ==
== Uzis ==
I think the first two shots actually show a Micro Uzi. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:08, 23 January 2015 (EST)
I think the first two shots actually show a Micro Uzi. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:08, 23 January 2015 (EST)
:Agreed, it is a Micro size rather than a Mini. It is quite odd though, normally the way it works is that the full auto Micro has the compensated barrel and hooked trigger guard, whilst the semi automatic Uzi Pistol has a rounded or hooked trigger guard and the shorter plain barrel (I think that Pistols had the hooked trigger guard if they were made after the Micro was introduced). This thing has the rounded trigger guard and the compensated barrel though which is a rather odd combination that I'm not sure ever existed on real guns . I think this might suggest that it is airsoft, and along with this the shape of the muzzle flash looks wrong for a compensated barrel meaning it is probably CG. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:59, 23 January 2015 (EST)
Both pistols, identified as Beretta 92, are Taurus PT92. Note Taurus logo on grip and slide on the first screenshot. The Uzi is a Mini Uzi. Greg-Z (talk) 05:18, 21 January 2015 (EST) Thx very much, Greg!--Pandolfini (talk) 06:37, 21 January 2015 (EST)
In the cap where there are two pistols in the case, the bottom one appears to be a Beretta though. There appear to be two Berettas in the first cap under the HK rifle. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:02, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Think it's safe to say the sniper rifle is a variant of the HK417, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:25, 21 January 2015 (EST)
If you zoom in, you can see it says MR 308, which is the civilian designation. But the first cap is not an MR 308. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:26, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Yeah, I noticed that too. Could be identical to one of the carbines/rifles generically referred to as 'M-16 Carbine', PeeWee055 (talk) 07:30, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Glock 17
You sure all Glock 17's are 3rd Gen? Especially the last one seems like an earlier generation to me, apparently lacking the vertical cut under the frame and the accessory rail under the frame, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2015 (EST) Here are 2 next screens for best identification ...--Pandolfini (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2015 (EST)
I took the liberty to add a 'Work in Progress' sign on this page. It seems you still need to do some work like adding texts, possibly trimming down on the number of photo's per gun, adding Beretta 92 and sorting out the generic 'M-16 Carbine' section. I recommend you start browsing down the M16 rifle series page, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:51, 21 January 2015 (EST) O.K. I need help, thx!-Pandolfini (talk) 09:09, 21 January 2015 (EST)
M16s
As it seems to me, there are at least two different versions of M16.
I'm no way an expert in M16s so my guesses can be wrong. If so then sorry. Greg-Z (talk) 11:41, 21 January 2015 (EST)
The first ones are likely Colt Model 727s - they have the M4-style stepped barrels but appear to have A1E1 upper receivers (Fixed carry handle with A1 sights with forward assist and shell deflector). Second set of caps show CARs that actually seem to have the same stepped barrels as the first set, just harder to tell (They're easier to make out if you blow the images up), so they're probably the same weapons. If they were fixed barrel, they'd be M723s, of the same series. The last one looks like an M16A1 fitted with the A2 handguards - It seems to have the thinner barrel of an A1 which is why I say that (I would have said an SP1, but it seems like it has a full mag fence, what I can tell, anyway). If we could get a better shot of the receiver we could be certain. Also, the variant with the M203 on the main page is actually a carbine and not a fullsize, probably another M727. StanTheMan (talk) 12:23, 21 January 2015 (EST)
All my guesses appear wrong. So sad. Greg-Z (talk) 12:25, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Hey, you weren't too far off, and you at least spotted they were different to begin with, some folks wouldn't have. As you said, you're no AR expert, and that's ok - Given the clusterfuck of differing details with all the ARs over the years (and the fact they're often rebuilt and hodge-podged even further in media), it's tough to nail some variants down to any degree even if you're somewhat read up on them like me - I wouldn't claim to know them all correctly either. And even then, there's other whole sets of firearms I know little to nothing about, myself. No one knows absolutely everything, which is why we're all here to help each other out as best we can, dude. StanTheMan (talk) 12:41, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Also, I believe the "Unidentified sniper rifle" is a 727 as well. It has had the barrel chopped down, but just behind the flash hider you can make out the M203 step which is a sure sign that this has been cut down from a longer barrel, and the A1 style sight suggest that a Model 727 is the likely candidate (especially considering their prolific use in the rest of the film). Also, it is fitted with an A.R.M.S. #51 C A1A2 S.I.R. handguard. --commando552 (talk) 16:59, 22 January 2015 (EST)
The 727 has A2 sights, A1E1 upper and M4 profile barrel is a Model 723. So is the one with the M203 attached. There are no M4s or LE Carbines shown here, they're all 723s. The "sniper rifle" with the SIR handguard and red dot sight I'm inclined to say is an airsoft replica because it matches this almost exactly, right down to the barrel step for attaching an M203 even though the barrel would be too short for it. Spartan198 (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)
Hmm, so the difference between the two is the upper receiver and not the barrel? That's interesting - I had thought the barrel was the main difference (Given our weapon images) - 723 was smooth and 727 stepped. I had figured the uppers weren't a main distinction (as they get changed easily and I've seen 'em come many ways on otherwise set spec ARs); The listings I had seen seem to have pointed that way. But thinking about it, I don't recall any 727 listing showing a carbine without having A2 sights so I suppose that makes sense. I take it both were available with the stepped barrels and the receiver is indeed the only main distinction? StanTheMan (talk) 21:13, 22 January 2015 (EST)
I should have known better when I said 727 above as I 100% know the difference. I was on the train after a long day when I posted that comment so apparently didn't think about it hard enough before hitting confirm. The safest way to tell the difference between the two is the receiver style rather than the barrel with the 723 always having the A1E1 and the 727 always having the A2. The 723 does always have an M4 profile barrel, but the barrel of the 723 gets a bit fuzzy. The vast majority of the pictures I have ever seen of them have had the A1 "pencil" barrel (which is why I just listed them as A1 type in the Colt AR-15 Identification Guide). However, some stuff I have read says that the very late models of the 723 had an M4 profile barrel (from 1987 onward I believe, and the M203 cut on the barrel was from an XM4 prototype called the Model 720 rather than the 727 "Dubai Carbine" as is often reported) which I suppose is what these could be. The thing is though, these 723s with the M203 barrel seem to be REALLY rare so it is odd to me that they would turn up in a film in such prolific numbers, but this does seem to be the only thing that fits the criteria (or it is some custom build, or obscure variant made by another company). Here is a pic of one with the M203 step regardless:Error creating thumbnail: File missingColt Model 723, late model with "M4" profile barrel - 5.56x45mm--commando552 (talk) 11:27, 23 January 2015 (EST)
Uzis
I think the first two shots actually show a Micro Uzi. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:08, 23 January 2015 (EST)
Agreed, it is a Micro size rather than a Mini. It is quite odd though, normally the way it works is that the full auto Micro has the compensated barrel and hooked trigger guard, whilst the semi automatic Uzi Pistol has a rounded or hooked trigger guard and the shorter plain barrel (I think that Pistols had the hooked trigger guard if they were made after the Micro was introduced). This thing has the rounded trigger guard and the compensated barrel though which is a rather odd combination that I'm not sure ever existed on real guns . I think this might suggest that it is airsoft, and along with this the shape of the muzzle flash looks wrong for a compensated barrel meaning it is probably CG. --commando552 (talk) 12:59, 23 January 2015 (EST)
