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'''Downfall''' (2004) , (the original German language/International title is ''' ''Der Untergang'' ''') is a visceral, dark and disturbing account of the last days of the Third Reich, most notably the story of '''Traudl Junge''', the young and pretty secretary for Adolf Hitler in his last days in the bunker.  The movie chronicles the German military and civilians' disturbing collapse into fanatical violence and desperation as they try to stave off the Red Army in Berlin.  Arguably a fate of their own making, being a German in Berlin in the spring of 1945 is about as close to Hell on Earth as one can imagine...
=Pistols=
== Walther PP ==
[[Image:Walther_PP.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|The lesser-known, full-length barreled [[Walther PP/PPK|Walther PP]] is available in 6.35mm auto (.25 ACP), 7.65x17mm (.32 ACP) Auto or 9x17mm (.380 ACP).]]
[[Image:Downfall WaltherPP 02.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A military aide contemplates suicide with his Walther PP]]


== Walther PPK ==
[[Image:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Early [[Walther PP/PPK|Walther PPK]] in 7.65x17mm Auto (.32 ACP)]]


'''Downfall''' (2004) , (the original German language/International title is ''' ''Der Untergang'' ''') is a visceral, dark and disturbing account of the last days of the Third Reich, most notably the story of '''Traudl Junge''', the young and pretty secretary for Adolf Hitler in his last days in the bunker.  The movie chronicles the German military and civilians' disturbing collapse into fanatical violence and desperation as they try to stave off the Red Army in Berlin.  Arguably a fate of their own making, being a German in Berlin in the spring of 1945 is about as close to Hell on Earth as one can imagine...
== Walther P38 ==
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|World War Two era P38 Pistol - 9mm]]‎
[[Image:Downfall WaltherP38 02.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Some of the last remaining German officers prepare for the Red Army with their [[Walther P38]] pistols.]]‎


==[[Karabiner 98k]]==
=Submachine Guns=
* The standard battle weapon of the German Army during WW2, the Karabiner 98 (98K) is rarely seen.  It is seen most during an interior scene where weapons are being handed out (however the vast majority of weapons in the scene are StG-44 assault rifles) and at the end of the film, where surrendering German soldiers are smashing their pristine [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles against the ground prior to the arrival of the Red Army (albeit a scene which made me wince at the thought of all those beautiful guns destroyed...yeow!.)
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]


==MP38==
== MP38 ==
[[Image:Mp38-1.jpg]]
[[Image:Mp38-1.jpg]]
[[Image:Downfall MP38aa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A German NCO with a rusted MP38 escorts Traudl Junge ([[Alexandra Maria Lara]]) and Gerda Christian ([[Birgit Minichmayr]]) (disguised as male German Soldiers) in an attempt to sneak across enemy lines.]]
[[Image:Downfall MP38aa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A German NCO with a rusted [[MP38]] escorts Traudl Junge ([[Alexandra Maria Lara]]) and Gerda Christian ([[Birgit Minichmayr]]) (disguised as male German Soldiers) in an attempt to sneak across enemy lines.]]


==[[MP40]]==
== MP40 ==
[[Image:MP40.jpg]]
[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|300px|none]]


==[[MG34]]==
== PPSh-41 Submachine Gun ==
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[MG34]].]]
* Seen throughout the movie, but seen in massive amounts at the end.  At first I figured that the Red Army would not have so many PPSh-41 submachine guns in so many hands (nearly everyone has one), but after talking to a World War Two historian on that very note, I discovered that the Red Army, upon entering Berlin, had issued nearly every soldier with PPSh-41s in anticipation of the street fighting that ensued.  So this abundance of PPSh-41s is in fact, historically correct.
[[Image:Downfall MG34aa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|German soldiers fight off the Russians with an MG-34 - 7.92 x 57mm Mauser]]


==[[Panzerfaust]]==
[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A PPSh-41 submachine gun.]]
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm rocket]]
[[Image:Downfall PPsh41fielda.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A literal sea of PPSh-41 Submachine guns in the hands of waiting Soviet Soldiers]]
[[Image:Downfall Panzerfaustaa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Hitlerjugend awaits the Red Army with his Panzerfaust]]
[[Image:Downfall PPsh41field02a.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|And the soldiers standing behind them are carrying ... you guessed it ... even more PPSh-41 Submachine guns(!!).]]


==[[Walther PP/PPK|Walther PP]]==
=Rifles=
[[Image:Walther_PP.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|The lesser-known, full-length barreled Walther PP is available in 6.35mm auto (.25 ACP), 7.65x17mm (.32 ACP) Auto or 9x17mm (.380 ACP).]]
[[Image:Downfall WaltherPP 02.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A military aide contemplates suicide with his Walther PP]]


==[[Walther PP/PPK|Walther PPK]]==
[[Image:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Early Walther PPK in 7.65x17mm Auto (.32 ACP)]]


==Walther P38==
== Karabiner 98k ==
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|World War Two era P38 Pistol - 9mm]]
* The standard battle weapon of the German Army during WW2, the [[Karabiner 98k]] (98K) is rarely seen. It is seen most during an interior scene where weapons are being handed out (however the vast majority of weapons in the scene are StG-44 assault rifles) and at the end of the film, where surrendering German soldiers are smashing their pristine [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles against the ground prior to the arrival of the Red Army (albeit a scene which made me wince at the thought of all those beautiful guns destroyed...yeow!.)
[[Image:Downfall WaltherP38 02.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Some of the last remaining German officers prepare for the Red Army with their Walther P38s - 9mm]]
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]


==Sturmgewehr 44==
= Sturmgewehr 44 ==
* Arguably the most Sturmgewehr 44s ever seen in one movie.  The StG-44 is more seen than all other German weapons. As confirmed by a WW2 Historian, the German army held back issuing their StG-44s to elite units, but towards the end of the war, starting handing them out in large numbers, figuring that they were running out of troops to arm.   
* Arguably the most Sturmgewehr 44s ever seen in one movie.  The StG-44 is more seen than all other German weapons. As confirmed by a WW2 Historian, the German army held back issuing their StG-44s to elite units, but towards the end of the war, starting handing them out in large numbers, figuring that they were running out of troops to arm.   


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[[Image:Downfall STF-44 02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Waffen SS fights with StG-44 in the streets of Berlin]]
[[Image:Downfall STF-44 02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Waffen SS fights with StG-44 in the streets of Berlin]]


==Mosin Nagant M38 Carbine==
== Mosin Nagant M38 Carbine ==
* A lot of M38 Carbines are seen in the hands of Red Army soldiers, but not that many full sized M91/30 rifles, which is rather odd, since the Mosin Nagant M91/30 was the most common weapon in any Red Army Infantry unit.  But after talking to a World War Two Historian, I learned that the M91/30 full sized rifle was rare for any of the armies pushing into Berlin.  Other than Submachine guns, the M38 carbine was issued to truck drivers and secondary members of crew served weapons.  So the mix of PPSh-41s and M38s is historically correct.
* A lot of M38 Carbines are seen in the hands of Red Army soldiers, but not that many full sized M91/30 rifles, which is rather odd, since the Mosin Nagant M91/30 was the most common weapon in any Red Army Infantry unit.  But after talking to a World War Two Historian, I learned that the M91/30 full sized rifle was rare for any of the armies pushing into Berlin.  Other than Submachine guns, the M38 carbine was issued to truck drivers and secondary members of crew served weapons.  So the mix of PPSh-41s and M38s is historically correct.
[[Image:M38Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Army M38 Carbine - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:M38Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soviet Army M38 Carbine - 7.62x54R]]
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==Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle==
== Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle ==
* Seen in the distance, near the beginning of the film, Soviet soldiers fire semiautomatic shots from their long rifles.  Though seen quickly they are SVT-40 rifles.  Some folks have opined that they could be the first model of the Simonov Type 45 (the SKS) which made their first appearance in the Red Army's assault on Berlin, but the muzzle flash from the rifles shows a muzzle brake pattern that indicates an SVT-40, rather than the SKS which had no muzzle brake.
* Seen in the distance, near the beginning of the film, Soviet soldiers fire semiautomatic shots from their long rifles.  Though seen quickly they are SVT-40 rifles.  Some folks have opined that they could be the first model of the Simonov Type 45 (the SKS) which made their first appearance in the Red Army's assault on Berlin, but the muzzle flash from the rifles shows a muzzle brake pattern that indicates an SVT-40, rather than the SKS which had no muzzle brake.
[[Image:SVT-40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40, 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:SVT-40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev SVT-40, 7.62x54mm R]]


==PPSh-41 Submachine Gun==
=Machine Gun=
* Seen throughout the movie, but seen in massive amounts at the end. At first I figured that the Red Army would not have so many PPSh-41 submachine guns in so many hands (nearly everyone has one), but after talking to a World War Two historian on that very note, I discovered that the Red Army, upon entering Berlin, had issued nearly every soldier with PPSh-41s in anticipation of the street fighting that ensued.  So this abundance of PPSh-41s is in fact, historically correct.
 
== MG34 ==
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[MG34]].]]
[[Image:Downfall MG34aa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|German soldiers fight off the Russians with an [[MG-34]].]]
 
=Miscellaneous Weaponry=
 
== Panzerfaust ==
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm rocket]]
[[Image:Downfall Panzerfaustaa.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Hitlerjugend awaits the Red Army with his [[Panzerfaust]].]]


[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A PPSh-41 submachine gun.]]
[[Image:Downfall PPsh41fielda.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A literal sea of PPSh-41 Submachine guns in the hands of waiting Soviet Soldiers]]
[[Image:Downfall PPsh41field02a.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|And the soldiers standing behind them are carrying ... you guessed it ... even more PPSh-41 Submachine guns(!!).]]


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Revision as of 02:08, 21 June 2010

The following guns were used in Downfall:

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Downfall (2004) , (the original German language/International title is Der Untergang ) is a visceral, dark and disturbing account of the last days of the Third Reich, most notably the story of Traudl Junge, the young and pretty secretary for Adolf Hitler in his last days in the bunker. The movie chronicles the German military and civilians' disturbing collapse into fanatical violence and desperation as they try to stave off the Red Army in Berlin. Arguably a fate of their own making, being a German in Berlin in the spring of 1945 is about as close to Hell on Earth as one can imagine...

Pistols

Walther PP

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The lesser-known, full-length barreled Walther PP is available in 6.35mm auto (.25 ACP), 7.65x17mm (.32 ACP) Auto or 9x17mm (.380 ACP).
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A military aide contemplates suicide with his Walther PP

Walther PPK

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Early Walther PPK in 7.65x17mm Auto (.32 ACP)

Walther P38

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World War Two era P38 Pistol - 9mm

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Some of the last remaining German officers prepare for the Red Army with their Walther P38 pistols.

Submachine Guns

MP38

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A German NCO with a rusted MP38 escorts Traudl Junge (Alexandra Maria Lara) and Gerda Christian (Birgit Minichmayr) (disguised as male German Soldiers) in an attempt to sneak across enemy lines.

MP40

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PPSh-41 Submachine Gun

  • Seen throughout the movie, but seen in massive amounts at the end. At first I figured that the Red Army would not have so many PPSh-41 submachine guns in so many hands (nearly everyone has one), but after talking to a World War Two historian on that very note, I discovered that the Red Army, upon entering Berlin, had issued nearly every soldier with PPSh-41s in anticipation of the street fighting that ensued. So this abundance of PPSh-41s is in fact, historically correct.
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A PPSh-41 submachine gun.
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A literal sea of PPSh-41 Submachine guns in the hands of waiting Soviet Soldiers
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And the soldiers standing behind them are carrying ... you guessed it ... even more PPSh-41 Submachine guns(!!).

Rifles

Karabiner 98k

  • The standard battle weapon of the German Army during WW2, the Karabiner 98k (98K) is rarely seen. It is seen most during an interior scene where weapons are being handed out (however the vast majority of weapons in the scene are StG-44 assault rifles) and at the end of the film, where surrendering German soldiers are smashing their pristine Karabiner 98k rifles against the ground prior to the arrival of the Red Army (albeit a scene which made me wince at the thought of all those beautiful guns destroyed...yeow!.)
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Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm

Sturmgewehr 44 =

  • Arguably the most Sturmgewehr 44s ever seen in one movie. The StG-44 is more seen than all other German weapons. As confirmed by a WW2 Historian, the German army held back issuing their StG-44s to elite units, but towards the end of the war, starting handing them out in large numbers, figuring that they were running out of troops to arm.

The Sturmgewehr 44 is still being manufactured in Germany. A German firearms company is re-making the StG-44 as a new gun and selling it to civilians and collectors world wide, except for America, where the BATFE has banned its' import. That same German company also makes a new version of the classic MP40 for sale as well.

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Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92 Kurz
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Lots of Waffen SS line up with StG-44s and one MP-40
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Waffen SS fights with StG-44 in the streets of Berlin

Mosin Nagant M38 Carbine

  • A lot of M38 Carbines are seen in the hands of Red Army soldiers, but not that many full sized M91/30 rifles, which is rather odd, since the Mosin Nagant M91/30 was the most common weapon in any Red Army Infantry unit. But after talking to a World War Two Historian, I learned that the M91/30 full sized rifle was rare for any of the armies pushing into Berlin. Other than Submachine guns, the M38 carbine was issued to truck drivers and secondary members of crew served weapons. So the mix of PPSh-41s and M38s is historically correct.
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Soviet Army M38 Carbine - 7.62x54R
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Red Army soldiers with M38 Carbines & PPSh-41 Submachine guns.
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Red Army soldiers stands with his M38 Carbine - 7.62x54R

Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle

  • Seen in the distance, near the beginning of the film, Soviet soldiers fire semiautomatic shots from their long rifles. Though seen quickly they are SVT-40 rifles. Some folks have opined that they could be the first model of the Simonov Type 45 (the SKS) which made their first appearance in the Red Army's assault on Berlin, but the muzzle flash from the rifles shows a muzzle brake pattern that indicates an SVT-40, rather than the SKS which had no muzzle brake.
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Tokarev SVT-40, 7.62x54mm R

Machine Gun

MG34

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An MG34.
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German soldiers fight off the Russians with an MG-34.

Miscellaneous Weaponry

Panzerfaust

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Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm rocket
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Hitlerjugend awaits the Red Army with his Panzerfaust.