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[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19 02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Tanner's Model 19 is confiscated by Erica ([[Lea Thompson]]) - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:RedDawnS&WMod19 02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Tanner's Model 19 is confiscated by Erica ([[Lea Thompson]]) - .357 magnum]]


==[[M1911]] Pistol==
==[[M1911|M1911A1]] Pistol==
* An M1911A1 pistol is first seen in the cold dead hands of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion.  The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt.  The M1911 is also the duty pistol of Colonel Tanner ([[Powers Boothe]]).
* An M1911A1 pistol is first seen in the cold dead hands of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion.  The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt.  The M1911A1 is also used by Colonel Andrew Tanner ([[Powers Boothe]]) during the final snow battle.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner fires at one of the Soviet tankers in the snow battle with his M1911A1 Pistol - .45acp]]
[[Image:RedDawnM1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Col. Tanner fires at one of the Soviet tankers in the snow battle with his M1911A1 Pistol - .45acp]]

Revision as of 08:16, 10 August 2009

The following weapons were used in the film Red Dawn (1984):



Maadi ARM

  • According to Long Mountain Outfitters (http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/RedDawn), the AKMs used in the movie were actually Egyptian Maadi MISR (imported into the US as the ARM) semi-auto rifles, some of the first semi-automatic Kalashnikov-type rifles ever imported into the United States (besides the Clayco AKM copies). 53 such rifles were used in the movie, 32 of which were converted to full-auto by Class 2 manufacturer Pearl Manufacturing specially for the film. These guns were later used in numerous other movies. Not to be confused with the post 1989 imported firearms called "MISR" which was modified to comply with the federal import ban.
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Maadi ARM (AKM) 7.62x39mm as used in Red Dawn (image from Long Mountain Outfitters)
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AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake.-7.62x39mm
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Aardvark (Doug Toby) utters the classic line "Wolverines!" while holding a Maadi ARM rifle converted to Full auto fire.
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Jed (Patrick Swayze) delivers some hot lead to a Russian tanker via an AKM.

Fake AKS-74

  • Fake AKS-74s are used by Soviet Paratroopers in the first attack on the school and Soviet Spetsnaz in the battle in the snow. They are actually Maadi ARM (AKMs) that were very cleverly mocked up with skeletal stocks and a custom make muzzle brake that resembled the AK74.
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AKS-74 5.45x39mm
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Spetnaz Snow troopers advance with faked AK-74 rifles made from Maadi ARMs - 7.62x39mm
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Several angles of the mocked up AK-74 with the custom Muzzle Brake and the non-folding Skeletal stock. These rifles also use orange bakelite 7.62x39mm magazines. As a contrast, the standard AKMs in the film used metal magazines

Fake RPG-7

  • Fake RPG-7s are used by Soviet and Communist Bloc soldiers, and later Charlie Sheen. The weapon itself is a fabricated prop, utilizing a vintage 1950s era RPG-2 as a base. A flared rear blast cone and a second 'fake' pistol grip was added as well as a fake optical sight that was fabricated out of plastic (it's a bit too large and wrongly shaped for any of the real RPG optical sights). The rocket warhead is a plastic and rubber fabrication and not an RPG-2 rocket head. The fuse tip itself is the cap from a Crest toothpaste tube!
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RPG-7 40mm
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Matt (Charlie Sheen) aims his plastic and rubber mockup of an RPG-7 (though no RPG at the time had a bright yellow warhead with a Bright light blue rocket tube.)
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Closeup of the rubber rocket head of the fake RPG-7
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Later in the film, the rocket heads are less bright yellow, now a more mustard color. Robert Morris (C. Thomas Howell) aims his RPG-7 at a Hind Helicopter.

On another note, the rocket of the fake RPG-7 (like many other films that use rocket launchers) is a foam rubber fake when firing around actors. Prior to the advent of CGI in films, they were fired with real Estes rocket motors and guided along wires to their targets. Below we see a frame of film where we can clearly see the wire that will guide the foam rubber rocket head to its intended target.

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A view of the wire that guides the phony rocket head to its target.

Valmet M78

  • The Valmet M78 LMG was standing in for the Soviet RPK since none were available in the country when this movie was filmed. The M78 LMG was used by Russian Paratroopers in the beginning of the movie and, and later by the Wolverines, most notably by Jennifer Grey.
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Finnish Valmet M78, standing in for a Russian RPK (since they didn't have any available when this film was made) with a standard stock and 30 rd magazine.
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Soviet Paratrooper fires the Valmet M78 LMG during the initial attack - 7.62x39mm
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Jennifer Grey fires her Valmet M78 LMG during an ambush.
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A Valmet M78 LMG can be seen on a table along with the bright yellow RPG rockets with bright blue tubes.
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Jed (Patrick Swayze) carries the Valmet M78.

Fake DShK heavy machine gun

  • At the time of filming there were no DShK 12.7 machine guns available for use in movies, so the armorers mocked up DShKs from M60 machine guns. Apparently the size difference between a 7.62mm gun and a .50 cal gun wasn't enough to distract people during the movie.
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The first time we see the DShK Heavy machine guns, mocked up out of M60Ds General purpose Machine Guns is when one is mounted on a faked T-72 Tank. What is confusing is that there is an Airborne officer 'commanding' a Main battle tank, which would not be the case. Blue was the color of shoulder boards and collar tabs for Airborne soldiers, Black was the color for Armored Units.
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A better angle of the Fake DShK where we can see the M60 origins.
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When American prisoners are executed, including Jed and Matt's father, Tom Eckert (Harry Dean Stanton), we see Soviet Tankers firing their fake DShKs into the line of men - 7.62x51mm
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In the snow battle, we clearly see the fake DShKs mounted on the fake T-72 tanks that are made from M60Ds
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Erica (Lea Thompson) first uses a fake DShK during the ambush.
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In the ambush on the Spetnaz troops in the snow, Lea Thompson can clearly be seen firing a mocked up M60D, posing as a DShK.
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One of the fake DShK heavy machine guns is seen mounted as a door gun on the Fake Hind Helicopter Gunships - 7.62x51mm
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During the final battle we get a good look at just how LONG and slender the faked DShK barrel is, when mounted on the M60D as a platform

Fake Gorunov SGM Machine gun

  • Yet another Soviet era machine gun that was mocked up from the venerable (and available) M60 Machine gun.
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Robert's position during the snow battle has a fake Gorunov, mocked up from yet another M60 Machine Gun.

Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun

  • Seen briefly but never used is a knocked out Browning M2 HB Heavy Machine gun, mounted on a destroyed M42 Duster.
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Matt, Jed and Robert run past a destroyed M42 Duster with a Browning M2 HB Heavy Machine gun, lying cockeyed off of it's mount, presumably inoperable, or else the Russians would not have left it out in the open - .50 BMG

Jatimatic SMG

  • The Jatimatic was used by Colonel Strelnikov (William Smith) when he is hunting Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze at the end of the film. It was supposed to represent the Polish manufactured PM-63 machine pistol as none were available in the country during the time of filming as this was the Cold War.
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Jatimatic 9mm
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Colonel Strelnikov (William Smith) actually wears the Jatimatic on a custom holster during his speech to the Spetnaz.
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Colonel Strelnikov (William Smith) brandishes the Jatimatic when he hunts for Jed and Matt at the train station.

GE M134 Minigun

An abandoned M134 Minigun, possibly from a crashed vehicle/chopper can be seen on the abandoned battlefield. It is noteworthy that there seem to be many 'abandoned' weapons, from 50 cal machine guns to 30 cal machine guns, however, it must be assumed that these are damaged and inoperable, or else the Soviets would never just leave them for anyone to pick up.

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GE M134 Minigun in 7.62x51mm NATO
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Visible to the right, on the ground is the GE M134 Minigun and the articulated belt feeding tray.
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Just to the left of Matt Eckert (Charlie Sheen) there is an abandoned GE Minigun - 7.62x51mm

FN FAL

  • Seen held by Cuban and Nicaraguan soldiers.
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FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO
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A quick but clear shot of the FAL rifle being brandished by the Cuban / Nicaraguan troops during an ambush. Most of the time the soldiers held the rifles close to their bodies, making a clear view difficult - 7.62x51mm

Colt SAA

  • The Colt Single Action Army revolver was used by Jed (Patrick Swayze).
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Colt Single Action Army .45 Colt

This revolver was a piece owned by director John Milius.

Marlin Model 336C

  • The Marlin Model 336C lever action rifle was picked up from the store just after the invasion. Doug Toby who played the character of Aardvark fires a single shot from the back of a pickup truck at Russian troops, after an American UH-1 helicopter attacks the Soviets on the ground using rockets. He also uses it in some of the ambushes later in the film.
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Marlin Model 336C - .30-30
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Arturo Mondragon aka "Aardvark" (Doug Toby) fires the Marlin Model 336C from the pickup truck. Chambered in .30-30 Winchester
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Aardvark (Doug Toby) fires the Marlin Model 336C during an ambush.

Savage 110

  • Jed picks up a Savage 110 bolt action rifle from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the film. He uses it as a sniper rifle during some of the ambushes. The Savage is a likely candidate since the tapered barrel seen in the film more closely matches the stock barrels of the Savage 110 rifles such as the Remington 700. He also appears to have mounted a .22 rimfire scope on the rifle.
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Robert Morris (C. Thomas Howell) borrows Jed Eckert's Savage 110 rifle to hunt deer, while Matt Eckert (Charlie Sheen) carries the Marlin Model 336C.
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Jed surveys the desolate battlefield with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle.
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Jed on an ambush with his Savage 110 Bolt Action Rifle

Remington 870 Wingmaster

  • A Remington 870 Wingmaster was one of the weapons grabbed by the boys from Mr. Morris' store at the beginning of the movie. Originally seen in a field version with long barrel and later with the barrel cut down to just above the magazine tube after the first ambush of the Russian soldiers near the monument. Used pretty much exclusively by Robert Morris (C. Thomas Howell) throughout the movie.
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Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge

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Robert (C. Thomas Howell) cuts down the barrel of his Remington 870 Wingmaster.
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Robert (C. Thomas Howell) fires his short 870 along with Matt (Charlie Sheen) and his AKM.

Fake SA-7 Grail aka Strela-2

  • A mocked up SA-7 Grail (built from metal tubing and plastic) is used by a Cuban soldier at an attacking American UH-1D Helicopter. The Mockup of the SA7 is quite accurate. However, in the film a Cuban soldier, firing a heat seeking surface to air missile, cannot hit a slow moving UH-1 "Huey" (The post Vietnam "G" model with twin turbines). This is not likely unless he panic fires into a completely wrong direction.
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SA-7 Grail aka Russian Strela-2 Surface to air missile - 70mm. The name "Grail" was a NATO Designation for the weapon, "Strela" was the Russian designation.
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SA-7 Grail aka Russian Strela-2 Surface to air missile is fired at night in the downtown suburb of Calumet, CO.

Smith & Wesson Model 19

  • A Smith & Wesson Model 19 with combat grips is the 'survival pistol' for USAF Colonel Andrew Tanner (Powers Boothe) but is taken away from him by Erica (Lea Thompson).
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USAF Colonel Andrew Tanner (Powers Boothe) sleeps with his Smith & Wesson Model 19 with combat grips at his side - .357 magnum
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Tanner's Model 19 is confiscated by Erica (Lea Thompson) - .357 magnum

M1911A1 Pistol

  • An M1911A1 pistol is first seen in the cold dead hands of an American who resisted the Soviet invasion. The pistol is pulled from the hand of the man and inspected by a Soviet Paratrooper who stuffs it behind his webbing belt. The M1911A1 is also used by Colonel Andrew Tanner (Powers Boothe) during the final snow battle.
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Colt M1911A1 .45 ACP
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Col. Tanner fires at one of the Soviet tankers in the snow battle with his M1911A1 Pistol - .45acp

Fake RGD-5 Grenades

  • In the film we see numerous fake Soviet RGD-5 hand grenades, however, the paint scheme is off and the scale is too large.
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Robert drops "RGD-5" mocked up grenades during one of the ambushes, off of the roof onto the Cuban & Soviet Soldiers.
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Toni Mason (Jennifer Grey) has an RGD-5 grenade placed as a boobytrap under her dead body after the helicopter attack, only to be tripped by an enemy soldier.

Rocket Pods (on Fake Hind Gunship)

  • Seen on the mocked up Hind Model A Helicopter Gunship, along with wing mounted hard points with air to ground missiles.
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Fake Rocket pods are mounted on the wings of the Hind Gunship.

Gun Platforms

Fake Mil MI-24 "Hind" Gunship

  • The "MI-24 Hind"s are excellent mockups of Hind Model-As (painted with winter camo) built up from French Aerospatiale Pumas and were later used again in other movies such as Rambo 2 and 3. Three Pumas were modified (and seen on film) and all three had a fake Hind-A 'nose' sections built with darked tinted windows that slipped over the front end of the real Puma helicopter. (If you looked closely, you could see the real nose of the Puma 'underneath' the Hind Nose section through the tinted windows. This limited pilot vision and also restricted motion - quick turns were not possible lest the fake nose front end be ripped off the helicopter. Later incarnations of the same modified Puma helicopter removed the extended Hind Model A Nose sections but kept the fake wings and rockets pods (as these were study modifications and didn't adversely affect the aerodynamics of the Helicopter.)
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In several shots, we can see the actual nose assembly of the original PUMA helicopter underneath the tinted glass windows of the extended "faux" nose.

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Visible is the original nose of the Puma Helicopter under the tinted glass. The filmmakers just mounted the fake nose on top of the real helicopter nose.

M42 "Duster" 40mm Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun

  • An M42 "Duster" that has been knocked out of action is prominent in the ghost battlefield sequence. Of course what is noticeably lacking are Main Battle tanks like M1 Abrahms or Infantry Fighting vehicles, from the plethora of destroyed vehicles on the battlefield.
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Jed, Robert and Matt walk past a knocked out M42 "Duster" - 40mm Main armament with a Browning M2HB mounted on the back.