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==Please remove SPOILERS== | |||
See IMFDB rules but ANY sort of spoilers are NOT allowed. MPM | |||
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:It was pretty accurate that Garands were in short supply and a lot of Marines were issued the Springfields. What caught me off guard was that 1928 Tommy with the drum mag and cutts compensator. I was actually half expecting it to have a vertical foregrip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | :It was pretty accurate that Garands were in short supply and a lot of Marines were issued the Springfields. What caught me off guard was that 1928 Tommy with the drum mag and cutts compensator. I was actually half expecting it to have a vertical foregrip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | ||
For the era, M1903s would have been correct, and the Marines were last in the supply chain when it came to new equipment (this lasted well into the 1980s), but M1903A3s were the available rifles in replica form. Also, there was innate conservatism with the Marine NCOs and officers who though the M1 Garand would not be as accurate and reliable as the M1903 Springfield. When the M1 Garand proved itself in the field and supplies were made available, the M1 supplanted and then replaced the Springfield. The Thompson would be correct in that form. The Marines did purchase Thompson SMGs in that pattern for use in the "Banana Wars" though the 1920s and 30s where they participated in US interventions in the Caribbean and Central America. It was the shortage of Thompson SMGs in the early war era (purchases from Allied nations combined with the expansion of the US military forces) that forced the Marines to look at other suppliers such as the Reising SMG. So, these historical touches add authenticity to the production. ''Wraith'' | |||
== The first episode == | == The first episode == | ||
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:I also noticed the old Browning .30 cal with the barrel shroud for water cooling, wouldn't they be up to air cooled 1919s by then? but overall, the first episode was great, and I look forward to watching the rest of the series, Semper Fi! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] | :I also noticed the old Browning .30 cal with the barrel shroud for water cooling, wouldn't they be up to air cooled 1919s by then? but overall, the first episode was great, and I look forward to watching the rest of the series, Semper Fi! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] | ||
they did have air cooled but in this war they dident replace old machineguns if they still worked | ::they did have air cooled but in this war they dident replace old machineguns if they still worked | ||
::The M1917s were still being used in the Korean War. As I said above, the Marines were last on the list for new equipment and the war in Europe had a higher priority than the Pacific theater. Early in the war, units used what was available while the production ramped up to meet demand. ''Wraith'' | |||
Air cooled is nice, but water-cooled weapons are nice in a Japanses banzi charge. M1917s, being water-cooled, can fire theoreticy forever without pause.[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC) | Air cooled is nice, but water-cooled weapons are nice in a Japanses banzi charge. M1917s, being water-cooled, can fire theoreticy forever without pause.[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
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I keep getting the names of the Marines wrong [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | I keep getting the names of the Marines wrong [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | ||
== The sounds of guns == | |||
They actually got the sounds of a lot of the guns pretty good. If you've heard Japanese guns before, you can recognize the sounds of their LMGs during part 2, even if you can't see them [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | |||
== Made some spelling corrections, and the M1897 trench gun... == | |||
I made some spelling/ grammar corrections. Also does anyone else notice something odd about the M1897 in this screen? | |||
[[Image:TP1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
Hammer looks a little odd, but other than that I do not. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
Yup, that's what I'm thinking is off. It looks like he is holding the trigger back so the hammer should be down, but it looks like it is too low.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 03:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
:There's another shot of the same scene but an explosion gives light to the shotgun. I'll try to get that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | |||
==Nambu type 14== | |||
I've heard rumors that these guns are very unreliable, and would just as soon blow up than shoot, but I just wanna know if there's any credit to 'em. Cause it seems like a gun that blows up half the time would'nt be used very much... | |||
All I remember about them is that the 8mm rounds they shoot are under powered and they have weak bolts and slides. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
I've read that extremely poor reputation of Japanese pistols such as the type 14 and 94 exist partly because of post-war testing on models from the final production runs. Meaning that the problems were more to do with materials and build quality, rather than weakness in the design. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 4:59 PM 16/11/10 | |||
The pistol ended up being so bad that few Japanese officers used them, at the time officers were required to purchase their own sidearms and most bought other designs like the M1911A1, the Webley, the Luger, the Walther p-38, or really any other sidearm available at the time. | |||
Like Pravda616 said it really wasn't the design as it was the basis for the Ruger Mark I, II, III designs it ended up being unreliable because of the terrible craftsmanship of the time, they can build cars now but not guns then. | |||
==Rules regarding gore in screenshots== | |||
OK, there are a couple of good shots showing the Type 92 Nambu. However, you can see the dead corpse of the gunner, with his dome ripped off - for those of you who watched the series, its the infamous bit where Snafu drops rocks into the dead gunner's skull. So could anybody here tell me if its okay for me to post them or not? | |||
We try to cut down on the gore unless absolutely necessary. It would be probably best to crop the shot to only show the gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
Thanks, I try doing that, but I end up with a smaller screenshot. Do you know any way to crop out the image, then enlarge it to its original size, just without the bits you removed? | |||
:I cropped the image with photoshop for you and replaced the gory one with the cropped one. Hope it helps. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 07:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
You could use Paint to black out the Gore [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:45, 25 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
Thank you, appreciate it. | |||
== Mercy Kill? == | |||
I saw this episode when Leckie kills the one Japanese soldier with his 1911 and I thought Leckie killed the soldier over anger after seing his fellow Marines killed. Was it really a mercy kill, or was it out of anger? --[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I thought it was a mercy kill. His fellow Marines expressed disappointment that he had done so. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
I know what you mean. I heard one Marine say, "Hey what'd you do that for?" but I thought Leckie did it out of frustration to the Japanese because he just saw 2 Marines killed from a Japanese suicide bomber and he might've wanted revenge after seeing this.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:It was a mercy kill, the other Marines were shooting/wounding and maiming him for fun so he just put him out of his misery with a single to the chest. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:23, 27 July 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Mortars == | |||
Anyone else annoyed by the way mortars are portrayed in this series? They seem to take less than a second to hit their targets, totally unrealistic. | |||
I understand its unrealistic, but how long would it take in reality for the mortars to reach their target?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 04:04, 16 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Depends on how close they are to the target, how much elevation in relations to the field of fire. But it takes several seconds but those can feel like the longest few seconds of your life [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
In real life it takes 20-30 seconds, consistent with a muzzle velocity of about 150m/s. Like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kBdmLgzBKY | |||
== How the heck do they booby trap themselves with the Type 97 Grenade? == | |||
I started watching the Pacific, and saw the part where the Japanese Soldier was pulled up holding a type 97 grenade (the one the pictures show) to commit suicide with. He was laying on it to conceal it. If I recall correctly, the type 97 requires a good solid hit on something hard to actually start the fuse. And he clearly could not do that, or any sharp movements, as well as feign injury without the marines knowing, and there's no spoon to hold the fuse until it detonates. | |||
== Changing weapons? == | |||
I keep seeing that a lot of the Marines change out their weapons at different points. Leckie was seen with a Garand while riding the train, later he has a Thompson. Same thing with Leyden. Can someone explain to me how this works? Are they given different weapons at different points? Do they get a choice? I've never really understood this. | |||
== Uniform Goof? == | |||
This is something that came up while I was looking through the page: | |||
[[Image:TPLeckie NambuType14 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leckie jokingly points the (unloaded) Nambu at Petty Officer Ruddiger ([[Craig Ball]]), asking Ruddiger what to do with it.]] | |||
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought rate insignia only goes on the left arm on Navy uniforms, not the right as shown here? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 06:28, 22 December 2012 (EST) | |||
I haven't seen this since it was first on so I can't remember how he is referred to in the episode, but he is credited as a Corporal so I think this may be a cluster goof. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:40, 22 December 2012 (EST) | |||
:Well, they were half right since he's wearing two chevrons like a corporal. It's just the fact that they're pointing down and there's an eagle above them makes them quite clearly PO2 chevrons instead. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 11:52, 22 December 2012 (EST) | |||
* "From 1913 onward, all petty officers whose specialties were in the Seaman Branch (such as Boatswain’s Mate, Coxswain, Gunner’s Mate, Turret Captain and Quartermaster) were right-arm ratings while all others in the Artificer Branch and Engine Room Force wore theirs on the left sleeve. " FMF Corpsmen wore theirs on the left sleeve; the uniform gaffe I can't forgive is wearing the modern USMC tie clasp when none were worn then.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 15:27, 19 November 2013 (EST) | |||
== John Basilone memorial == | |||
As you might imagine, John Basilone is a bit of a big deal in Raritan, New Jersey. My dad and I swung by there two years ago and I got a few shots of his statue, which was erected in 1950, I think. (I had to resize these to get under the file size restrictions.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:52, 19 November 2013 (EST) | |||
[[Image: Basilone_statue.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The statue of GySgt Basilone.]] | |||
[[Image: Basilone_statue2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The inscription on the base.]] | |||
[[Image: Basilone_MOH.jpg|thumb|none|500px|His Medal of Honor citation.]] | |||
<<Spoiler>> | |||
[[Image: Basilone_NC.jpg|thumb|none|500px|His Navy Cross citation.]] | |||
== Additional == | |||
[[Image:pacific9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Womack opens up with a flamethrower.]] | |||
[[Image:TPLebec M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2nd Lt. Lebec ([[Rohan Nichol]]) commits suicide with his M1911A1 in Part 4. Spoiler?]] | |||
Latest revision as of 22:31, 28 July 2023
Please remove SPOILERS
See IMFDB rules but ANY sort of spoilers are NOT allowed. MPM
Is this out yet?
If this series is out, i'm going to screencap it when it comes out on DVD.-Oliveira 19:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- The very first trailer, which did show a significant amount of combat footage, just came out this week.--V 23:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Holy fuck, where is it? I'm a big history geek, i need to see this.-Oliveira 23:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- I love history! When was it released?-S&Wshooter 23:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- I have to agree that it is the M50 Reising. The magazine and the muzzle break and dead giveaways. Charon68 13:53, 1 July 2009(UTC)
- Also, i think there is M1903s in the series. When the australian trailer was released there was a production picture of the Marines landing on Guadalcanal and they were acurately deppicted armed with M1903s.-Oliveira 19:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Is there a picture of the M1903 Springfield or the trailer with the rifle shown? - Kenny99 02:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- Also, i think there is M1903s in the series. When the australian trailer was released there was a production picture of the Marines landing on Guadalcanal and they were acurately deppicted armed with M1903s.-Oliveira 19:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
its been advertised alot lately in aus (my country) just says coming soon (est march 2010) to ch 7 il keep you posted scarecrow 03:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- It was pretty accurate that Garands were in short supply and a lot of Marines were issued the Springfields. What caught me off guard was that 1928 Tommy with the drum mag and cutts compensator. I was actually half expecting it to have a vertical foregrip. Excalibur01
For the era, M1903s would have been correct, and the Marines were last in the supply chain when it came to new equipment (this lasted well into the 1980s), but M1903A3s were the available rifles in replica form. Also, there was innate conservatism with the Marine NCOs and officers who though the M1 Garand would not be as accurate and reliable as the M1903 Springfield. When the M1 Garand proved itself in the field and supplies were made available, the M1 supplanted and then replaced the Springfield. The Thompson would be correct in that form. The Marines did purchase Thompson SMGs in that pattern for use in the "Banana Wars" though the 1920s and 30s where they participated in US interventions in the Caribbean and Central America. It was the shortage of Thompson SMGs in the early war era (purchases from Allied nations combined with the expansion of the US military forces) that forced the Marines to look at other suppliers such as the Reising SMG. So, these historical touches add authenticity to the production. Wraith
The first episode
I've watched the first episode, and the first Marines on Guadalcanal are armed with M1928A1 Thompsons (compensators, drum mags, horizontal foregrips) and M1903s. What stuck out what the high number of left handed M1903s out there. I don't know if this is because the Marines really went out of their way to issue left handed Marines left handed guns, or if the armorers for the Pacific are really accomodating. I think it's interesting that a left handed sniper in Saving Private Ryan, who's already issued a specialized piece of equipment, couldn't get a left handed Springfield but Marine grunts in The Pacific can. --Funkychinaman 05:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I also noticed the old Browning .30 cal with the barrel shroud for water cooling, wouldn't they be up to air cooled 1919s by then? but overall, the first episode was great, and I look forward to watching the rest of the series, Semper Fi! M14fanboy
- they did have air cooled but in this war they dident replace old machineguns if they still worked
- The M1917s were still being used in the Korean War. As I said above, the Marines were last on the list for new equipment and the war in Europe had a higher priority than the Pacific theater. Early in the war, units used what was available while the production ramped up to meet demand. Wraith
Air cooled is nice, but water-cooled weapons are nice in a Japanses banzi charge. M1917s, being water-cooled, can fire theoreticy forever without pause.Mandolin 02:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm guessing if you saw left-handed 1903s, the shots were reversed. Also, I only saw M1903-A3s. I don't know whether this is accurate or not. --Rugerlvr 03:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I just watched it again, in the same shot where there was a left handed M1903, the M1917's cocking handle was on the right side. It's supposed to be on the right side, correct?--Funkychinaman 21:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- I just got the first episode on me and I can start uploading caps if the quality is good Excalibur01
Part 2 BAR
Part 2 BAR
At the Part2 start scene, a helf-track vehicle runs by, there's a BAR lay on the ground(sorry for I don't know how to post pics here ,I'm a new comer) Here's my Img.ly post [2]
I'd probably wait for later episodes when they will probably be clearer pics. --Ben41 04:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I got Tivo
I was able to get the first 2 episodes off my TV and into my computer. Took me some doing thought Excalibur01
That good, or just lucky?
Episode one, when Leckie shoots the Japanese soldier with his M1911, he's either really good or really lucky. The range looked like it had to be at least forty or fifty feet, one handed, both eyes open, bullet to the chest. Sure, it's just a show, but Leckie's a real person, and the show is based on his memoirs. Like I said, he's either really good, or really lucky. --Funkychinaman 05:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- It's a show.
- At least he shoots better than the freaking guy with the Springfield Excalibur01
Which guy? The first guy to shoot him? He wasn't trying to kill him, he was playing with him. --Crazycrankle 03:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
- Aren't Marines trained for marksmenship first and foremost. Granted, the slogan is "Every Marine, a Rifleman" but Licklie is a dedicated .30 cal Browning Gunner, meaning that he would probably be issued a sidearm with which to defend himself, should his machine gun become unusuable, and he would probably be proficient in the usage of his pistol, so perhaps the shot wouldnt be as difficult as we might assume
Names of Marines
I keep getting the names of the Marines wrong Excalibur01
The sounds of guns
They actually got the sounds of a lot of the guns pretty good. If you've heard Japanese guns before, you can recognize the sounds of their LMGs during part 2, even if you can't see them Excalibur01
Made some spelling corrections, and the M1897 trench gun...
I made some spelling/ grammar corrections. Also does anyone else notice something odd about the M1897 in this screen?
-Ranger01 01:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Hammer looks a little odd, but other than that I do not. --Crazycrankle 02:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Yup, that's what I'm thinking is off. It looks like he is holding the trigger back so the hammer should be down, but it looks like it is too low.-Ranger01 03:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- There's another shot of the same scene but an explosion gives light to the shotgun. I'll try to get that. Excalibur01
Nambu type 14
I've heard rumors that these guns are very unreliable, and would just as soon blow up than shoot, but I just wanna know if there's any credit to 'em. Cause it seems like a gun that blows up half the time would'nt be used very much...
All I remember about them is that the 8mm rounds they shoot are under powered and they have weak bolts and slides. Excalibur01 19:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I've read that extremely poor reputation of Japanese pistols such as the type 14 and 94 exist partly because of post-war testing on models from the final production runs. Meaning that the problems were more to do with materials and build quality, rather than weakness in the design. Pravda616 4:59 PM 16/11/10
The pistol ended up being so bad that few Japanese officers used them, at the time officers were required to purchase their own sidearms and most bought other designs like the M1911A1, the Webley, the Luger, the Walther p-38, or really any other sidearm available at the time. Like Pravda616 said it really wasn't the design as it was the basis for the Ruger Mark I, II, III designs it ended up being unreliable because of the terrible craftsmanship of the time, they can build cars now but not guns then.
Rules regarding gore in screenshots
OK, there are a couple of good shots showing the Type 92 Nambu. However, you can see the dead corpse of the gunner, with his dome ripped off - for those of you who watched the series, its the infamous bit where Snafu drops rocks into the dead gunner's skull. So could anybody here tell me if its okay for me to post them or not?
We try to cut down on the gore unless absolutely necessary. It would be probably best to crop the shot to only show the gun. --Ben41 06:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I try doing that, but I end up with a smaller screenshot. Do you know any way to crop out the image, then enlarge it to its original size, just without the bits you removed?
- I cropped the image with photoshop for you and replaced the gory one with the cropped one. Hope it helps. - Kenny99 07:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
You could use Paint to black out the Gore Excalibur01 07:45, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, appreciate it.
Mercy Kill?
I saw this episode when Leckie kills the one Japanese soldier with his 1911 and I thought Leckie killed the soldier over anger after seing his fellow Marines killed. Was it really a mercy kill, or was it out of anger? --MarineCorps1 21:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- I thought it was a mercy kill. His fellow Marines expressed disappointment that he had done so. --funkychinaman 21:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I know what you mean. I heard one Marine say, "Hey what'd you do that for?" but I thought Leckie did it out of frustration to the Japanese because he just saw 2 Marines killed from a Japanese suicide bomber and he might've wanted revenge after seeing this.--MarineCorps1 21:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- It was a mercy kill, the other Marines were shooting/wounding and maiming him for fun so he just put him out of his misery with a single to the chest. - Mr. Wolf 23:23, 27 July 2011 (CDT)
Mortars
Anyone else annoyed by the way mortars are portrayed in this series? They seem to take less than a second to hit their targets, totally unrealistic.
I understand its unrealistic, but how long would it take in reality for the mortars to reach their target?--MarineCorps1 04:04, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Depends on how close they are to the target, how much elevation in relations to the field of fire. But it takes several seconds but those can feel like the longest few seconds of your life Excalibur01 07:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
In real life it takes 20-30 seconds, consistent with a muzzle velocity of about 150m/s. Like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kBdmLgzBKY
How the heck do they booby trap themselves with the Type 97 Grenade?
I started watching the Pacific, and saw the part where the Japanese Soldier was pulled up holding a type 97 grenade (the one the pictures show) to commit suicide with. He was laying on it to conceal it. If I recall correctly, the type 97 requires a good solid hit on something hard to actually start the fuse. And he clearly could not do that, or any sharp movements, as well as feign injury without the marines knowing, and there's no spoon to hold the fuse until it detonates.
Changing weapons?
I keep seeing that a lot of the Marines change out their weapons at different points. Leckie was seen with a Garand while riding the train, later he has a Thompson. Same thing with Leyden. Can someone explain to me how this works? Are they given different weapons at different points? Do they get a choice? I've never really understood this.
Uniform Goof?
This is something that came up while I was looking through the page:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought rate insignia only goes on the left arm on Navy uniforms, not the right as shown here? The Wierd It (talk) 06:28, 22 December 2012 (EST)
I haven't seen this since it was first on so I can't remember how he is referred to in the episode, but he is credited as a Corporal so I think this may be a cluster goof. --commando552 (talk) 07:40, 22 December 2012 (EST)
- Well, they were half right since he's wearing two chevrons like a corporal. It's just the fact that they're pointing down and there's an eagle above them makes them quite clearly PO2 chevrons instead. The Wierd It (talk) 11:52, 22 December 2012 (EST)
- "From 1913 onward, all petty officers whose specialties were in the Seaman Branch (such as Boatswain’s Mate, Coxswain, Gunner’s Mate, Turret Captain and Quartermaster) were right-arm ratings while all others in the Artificer Branch and Engine Room Force wore theirs on the left sleeve. " FMF Corpsmen wore theirs on the left sleeve; the uniform gaffe I can't forgive is wearing the modern USMC tie clasp when none were worn then.Foofbun (talk) 15:27, 19 November 2013 (EST)
John Basilone memorial
As you might imagine, John Basilone is a bit of a big deal in Raritan, New Jersey. My dad and I swung by there two years ago and I got a few shots of his statue, which was erected in 1950, I think. (I had to resize these to get under the file size restrictions.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:52, 19 November 2013 (EST)
<<Spoiler>>
