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		<title>M16 rifle series</title>
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&lt;div&gt;Please check the [[Talk:M16 rifle series|talk page]] for additional variants not shown on the main page.&lt;br /&gt;
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=Specifications=&lt;br /&gt;
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''(1960-Present)''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Type:''' Assault Rifle&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO &lt;br /&gt;
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'''Capacity:''' 5, 20, 30, 40 round box magazine/ 90 round snail drum/ 100 round dual drum Beta-C magazine&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Fire Modes:''' Safe/Semi (Mk 12 SPR, AR-15, civilian variants) Safe/Semi/Burst (M16A2, M16A4, M4) Safe/Semi/Auto (M16, M16A1, M16A3, M4A1)&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The M16 series of assault rifles and carbine variants are used by the following actors in the following movies, television series, video games, and anime:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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=Colt and Official Government Models=&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam. This has the original '''3-prong flash hider'''.  It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16SP1Birdcage.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat &amp;quot;slab side receiver&amp;quot;) with an A1 &amp;quot;birdcage&amp;quot; Flash hider, used to imitate the M16A1 in many Vietnam era movies. This version has a 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16-SP1-30Mag.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat &amp;quot;slab side receiver&amp;quot;) with an A1 &amp;quot;birdcage&amp;quot; Flash hider, used to impersonate the M16A1 during the 1970s and 1980s. This version has a 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16-SP1-with-A2-Handguards.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat &amp;quot;slab side receiver&amp;quot;) with A2 style handguards used to impersonate the M16-A2 - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the original M16 is the first pattern AR-15 select fire rifle that was adopted in 1964 by the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam (and also given to the ARVN) all appearances of the slab side M16 in movies and television shows would be either the Class III Colt M16 or the commercially available Colt AR-15 SP1 rifle.  After being phased out from active duty, the military owned weapons were issued to National guard units (and later bequeathed to Federal and local law enforcement agencies).  Movie Armorers could acquire Law Enforcement Sales models of the M16, as Class III transferable weapons or built as Class III manufacturers.  However, an easier way was for commercially sold semiautomatic Colt AR-15 SP1 rifles to be converted to full auto fire in the 1970s and 1980s and these were in movie armories for years.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
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{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Across The Universe]] || Various || National Guardsmen || || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Alone in the Dark (2005)]] || Various || Bureau 713 Commandos || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Land of the Dead]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Once Upon a Time in Mexico]] || [[Gerardo Vigil]] || General Marquez || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Once Upon a Time in Mexico]] || Various || General Soldiers || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Coronado]] || [[Clayton Rohner]] || Arnet McClure || || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Coronado]] || Various || Rebel Soldiers || || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Analyze This]] || Various || Mobsters || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Matrix]] || Various || Lobby guards|| Fitted with both 3-prong and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Matrix]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Captain Darrow|| Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider and [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Village of the Damned (1995)|Village of the Damned]] || . || U.S. Soldiers || Fitted with M16A2 foregrips || 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Forrest Gump]] || [[Tom Hanks]] || Forrest Gump || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Forrest Gump]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]]|| [[Pauly Shore]]||PFC &amp;quot;Bones&amp;quot; Conway|| LaFrance-converted AR-15 SP1; fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider and [[M16A2]] hand guards|| 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]]|| Various || U.S. Army personnel|| LaFrance-converted AR-15 SP1s; fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hiders and [[M16A2]] hand guards|| 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jurassic Park]] || Unknown actor || InGen worker || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hider|| 1993&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Showdown in Little Tokyo]]|| [[Dolph Lundgren]]|| Sergeant Chris Kenner || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1991&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Showdown in Little Tokyo]]|| [[Brandon Lee]]|| Johnny Murata || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1991&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Die Hard]] || Various || LAPD S.W.A.T. officers || || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[They Live]] || [[Roddy Piper]]|| Nada || || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[They Live]] || [[Keith David]]|| Frank|| || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[They Live]] || Various || Cable 54 building guards|| || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Full Metal Jacket]]||Various || U.S. Marines || || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Lethal Weapon]]||Various || LAPD S.W.A.T. officers ||Deleted scene only|| 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Predator]] || [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || Dutch ||Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider and [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Fake M203 Launcher]] || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Predator]] || [[Sonny Landham]] || Billy ||Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards, [[M16A1]] flash hider, and [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Heartbreak Ridge]] || Various || U.S. Marines || Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Park is Mine]] || Various || N.Y.P.D. SWAT officers || Fitted with AN/PVS-2 Starlight night vision scopes ||1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Platoon]] || [[Chris Pedersen]] || Crawford || Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Raw Deal]] || Various || Patrovita's thugs|| . || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Commando]] || [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]|| John Matrix||Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider; becomes an [[M16A1]] in some shots || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Commando]] || Various || Arius' men and U.S. Army soldiers||Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hiders, some with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[My Science Project]] || Various || Various || . || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rambo: First Blood]] || [[Brian Dennehy]] || Hope Sheriff Will Teasle || . || 1982&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Rambo: First Blood]] || Various || Hope County sheriff's deputies || . || 1982&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Wolfen]] || [[Albert Finney]] || NYPD Detective Dewey Wilson ||Night Vision Scope|| 1981&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Wolfen]] || [[Gregory Hines]] || Whittington ||Night Vision Scope|| 1981&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Stripes]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || . || 1981&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Taps]] || Various || Cadets || . || 1981&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Escape from New York]] || Various || U.S. Police Force and Secret Service Agents || handguards removed || 1981&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Apocalypse Now]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || . || 1979&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Boys from Brazil, The|The Boys from Brazil]] || Various || Nazis || . || 1978&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Spy Who Loved Me]]||Various || U.S. Navy sailors || Stolen from Armoury and Stromberg guards || 1977&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Enforcer]]|| Various || People's Revolutionary Strike Force terrorists and SFPD officers || Fitted with both 3-prong and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1976&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Silver Streak]] || Various || FBI Agents || . || 1976&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Two-Minute Warning]] || [[John Cassavetes]] || L.A.P.D. Sgt. Buttons || With 30-round magazine || 1976&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Badlands]] || Various || Army National Guard || . || 1973&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Soylent Green]] || Various || Guards || . || 1973&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Shaft's Big Score!]] || Various || Gangster || With 30-round magazine || 1972&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Diamonds are Forever]] || Various || Blofield's henchmen || . || 1971&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Ice Station Zebra]] || Various || U.S. Navy crew and Marines || . || 1968&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The President's Analyst]] || [[James Coburn]] || Dr. Sidney Schaefer || . || 1967&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Agent for H.A.R.M.]]|| [[Unidentified]] || Eastern Bloc soldier ||Colt Firearms credited || 1966&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Seven Days in May]] || [[Andrew Duggan]] || Col. William 'Mutt' Henderson ||Possibly the first depiction of a M-16 in a Hollywood film || 1964&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Supernatural]] || Unknown actor || Conspiracy theorist || || 2005-&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Mail Call]] || [[R. Lee Ermey]] || Himself || || 2002-&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[JAG]] || Various || U.S. soldiers || Only seen in flashbacks to Vietnam War || 1995-2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Lois &amp;amp; Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]] || Various || U.S. soldiers, guards, criminals || || 1993-1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || Unknown actor || henchman || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[A-Team, The| The A-Team]] ||  || Various || || 1983-1988&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Passwords'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories]]|| || || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Enter the Matrix]] || || || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Shellshock Nam '67]] || |Called the &amp;quot;Assault Rifle&amp;quot; || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Vietcong]] || || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] || w/ optional scope, reflex sight, grenade launcher, and shotgun attachments || || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| Mafia sniper || [[Hayate the Combat Butler]] || With A2 handguards and scope || 2007 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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== XM16E1 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|XM16E1 rifle with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. What distinguishes it from the original M16 was the addition of the forward assist button and a chrome bolt carrier (which was later dropped with the M16A1).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Currently seen Mockup of an XM16E1 (built from an M16A1 as the base) with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.  This example is the screen-used rifle used by [[Mel Gibson]] in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The XM16E1 is a modified variant of the original M16 which featured several improvements, including the forward assist, the most visually obvious difference. The Army requested this feature, but the Air Force believed it had no benefit and only increased the weapon's per-unit cost. Consequently, the M16 (SP1) was the version adopted by the Air Force, while the Army adopted the slightly more expensive XM16E1. After the M16A1 was introduced in 1967, both services transitioned to this rifle. Before 1968, this was the most common version of the M16 rifle platform.  '''Many examples in recent films are actually 'faux' XM16E1 rifles'''.   The real XM16E1 has a partial magazine fence on its' lower receiver, whereas the M16A1 has a full raised rib around the magazine release button).  &lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Tropic Thunder]]|| [[Jay Baruchel]] ||  Kevin Sandusky ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Tropic Thunder]]|| [[Brandon T. Jackson]] ||  Alpo Chino ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tropic Thunder]]|| Various || Actors playing U.S. soldiers ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]]|| [[Mel Gibson]]|| Lt. Col. Hal Moore ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Barry Pepper]] || Joe Galloway ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Josh Daugherty]] || Spc. Robert Ouellette ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Ryan Hurst]] || Sgt. Ernie Savage ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Robert Bagnell]] || 1LT. Charlie Hastings ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Chris Klein]] || 2LT. Jack Geoghegan ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[We Were Soldiers]]|| Various || U.S. Army soldiers ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dead Presidents]]|| [[Jaimz Woolvett]] || Lieutenant Dugan ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dead Presidents]]|| Various || U.S. Marines||mocked up from an M16A1|| 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hamburger Hill]]|| Various || U.S. Army 101st Airborne personnel||mocked up from an M16A1|| 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Stakeout]] || Various || Police || . || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]]|| [[John Wayne]]|| Colonel Mike Kirby ||Real XM16E1 || 1968&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]]|| Various || U.S. Special Forces ||Real XM16E1|| 1968&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Notes'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]] || || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16A1 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.  What distinguishes it from the original M16 was the addition of a raised rib around the magazine release button, changing of the forward Receiver pins, and the addition of the forward assist button on the upper receiver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm.  Putting the distinctive A2 handguards on the older rifle was a method used by Movie/TV armorers to simulate A2 rifles when M16A1s were the only ones available. The same thing has been done vice-versa, Using M16A2's with A1 handguards for Vietnam War B Movies.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Sniper]] ||  || hong Kong SDU Sniper Team || M16A1 with A2 style handguards and ACOG || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rambo (2008)|Rambo]] || Various || Karen rebels || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Departed, The|The Departed]] || Various || Massachusetts State Police at funeral || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Devil's Rejects, The|The Devil's Rejects]] || Various || Sheriffs deparment and Rejects || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Land of the Dead]] || Various || Fiddler's Green Soldiers || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course]] || Various || U.S. Army Rangers || Some fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX]] || Unknown actor|| Colombian narcotics officer || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield Earth]] ||  || Human resistance fighters || With &amp;amp; without M203 grenade launchers || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Blue Streak]] || Various || Mexican Border Security Officers || Fitted with M16A2 hand guards || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Pentagon Wars, The|The Pentagon Wars]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers || With M16A2 handguards || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Pentagon Wars, The|The Pentagon Wars]] || [[Cary Elwes]] || Lt. Col. James G. Burton || With magazine removed and M16A2 handguards || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Devil's Own]] || Unknown Actor || Desmond - Provisional IRA Gunman || Used by Desmond to fire on British Soldiers from a 2nd floor window. It is on semi-automatic firing mode. || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Con Air]] || Various || Convicts and U.S. National Guardsmen || Fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Postman, The|The Postman]] || Various || Holnist soldiers || || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Eraser]] || Various || U.S. Marshalls || Fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]]|| Various || Rogue U.S. Marines || Fitted with M16A2 handguards and tactical flashlights, with &amp;amp; without [[M203 grenade launcher]]s || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Romeo &amp;amp; Juliet]] || Various || Verona Beach police officers || Some fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Species]]|| Background extras|| U.S. Soldiers ||  || 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Heat]]|| [[Wes Studi]]|| Detective Casals || Fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[RoboCop 3]] || || || Seen on the wall of a Splatterpunks house || 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hard Boiled]]|| [[Philip Kwok]] || Mad Dog ||Fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hard Boiled]]|| Various || Hong Kong police and Johnny Wong's thugs || || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] || N/A || N/A || Seen on the walls of Sarah's armory || 1991&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Toy Soldiers]] || Various || Colombian soldiers || || 1991&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Nothing But Trouble]] || Various || National Guardsmen || || 1991&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Die Hard 2]]|| Various || Airport police and U.S. Army Special Forces || The Army team's fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1990&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Fire Birds]]|| Various || U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 1990&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Total Recall]] || N/A || N/A || Seen at Kuato's resistance base || 1990&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Mark Lee || || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || [[Anita Mui]] || Chow Ying Kit || || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || [[Tony Leung Ka-Fai]] || Cheung Chi Mun|| || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || Various || ARVN soldiers || || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Casualties of War]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Iron Eagle II]] || Various || U.S. Military Police || || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Extreme Prejudice]]|| Various || Special Unit and cartel members || some with A2 hand guards || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hamburger Hill]]|| Various || U.S. Army 101st Airborne personnel || || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Aliens]] || N/A || N/A || Seen on the walls of the ''Sulaco'''s armory || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Equalizer 2000]]|| Various || Gang members || Some fitted with futuristic shells || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Heartbreak Ridge]]|| Various || U.S. Marines || With and without MILES gear || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Iron Eagle]] || Various|| U.S. Air Force security guards || || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Park is Mine]]|| Various || NYPD S.W.A.T. officers ||  || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Platoon]]|| [[Charlie Sheen]]|| Pvt. Chris Taylor  ||  || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Platoon]]|| Various|| U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home]] || Various || U.S. Marines || || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Commando]]|| [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || John Matrix || Alternates with [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|M16 SP1]] || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Commando]]|| Various|| Arius' men and U.S. Army soldiers || Some fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Day of The Dead (1985)|Day of the Dead]]|| Various|| U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]|| Various|| Vietnamese troops and pirates || Some fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghostbusters]]|| Various || U.S. National Guardsmen ||  || 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Terminator]]|| [[Paul Winfield]] || Lt. Edward Traxler ||  || 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Terminator]]|| [[Lance Henriksen]] || Detective Hal Vukovich ||  || 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Terminator]]|| Various || LAPD officers ||  || 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rambo: First Blood]]|| Various || U.S. National Guardsmen ||  || 1982&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Day After]]|| Various || U.S. Air Force Security Police ||  || 1983&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Death Wish 2]]|| Various || Thugs ||  || 1982&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Blues Brothers]]|| [[Carrie Fisher]]|| Jake's ex-fiance ||  || 1980&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Blues Brothers]]|| Various || State Troopers, Sheriff's Deputies, Chicago Police SWAT, U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 1980&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Final Countdown]]|| Various || U.S. Marines ||  || 1980&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Apocalypse Now]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1979&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jerk, The|The Jerk]] || [[M. Emmet Walsh]] || The Madman || Fitted with scope || 1979&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Moonraker]] || Various || Drake launch base guards || || 1979&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Odd Angry Shot]] || Various || Australian SAS troopers || || 1979&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Enforcer]] || Various || SFPD officers || || 1976&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Close Encounters of the Third Kind]] || Various || Soldiers || ||1976&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Harsh Realm]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1999-2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Seven Days]] || Various || U.S. Army personnel|| Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards, some fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launchers]], one fitted with a night-vision scope || 1998-2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bugs]] || Various || || || 1995-1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || [[Gary Sinise]]|| Stud Redman|| || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tour of Duty]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1987-1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The A-Team]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1983-1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;350&amp;quot;|'''Notes'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops]] || || || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Scarface: The World is Yours]] || ||Can be fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] || With optional A2 handguards and M203 grenade launcher ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield: Vietnam]] || |||| 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Conflict: Vietnam]] || || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Spec Ops: Ranger Elite]] || || also available with M203 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Grand Theft Auto III]]  || || Fitted with fictional 60-rd magazine || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Command &amp;amp; Conquer: Red Alert]] || || With A2 handguards; used by Allied soldiers in FMV cutscenes only || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow]] || ACOG Scope || Possibly an A1 fitted with A2 handguards || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War]] || With A2 handguards || Seen in cutscene, non-playable || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam]] || With cloth wrappings on handguards || || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
||| [[Kochikame, The UFO Movie]] || ||&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Various characters || [[Full Metal Panic!]] ||fitted with A2 handguards||2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Ulgian Soldiers || [[Noir]] || ||&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Rally Vincent's Bedroom || [[Riding Bean]] || || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|US Army soldiers || [[Blood+]] || ||&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Thugs/Mercenaries/US Military || [[Black Lagoon]] || ||2006/2010 &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|U.S. soldiers || [[The Skull Man]] || ||2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Spec-Ops Commandos || [[Black Magic M-66]]  || Some are outfitted with [[M203 grenade launcher|M203s]] ||1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Cyborg terrorist || [[Appleseed]] || || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
== M16A2 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In contrast to the real world M16A2 rifle adopted by the U.S. Military in the early 1980s, most of the A2s seen in movies are A2 'kits' built on A1 full auto lower receivers (or converted A2 style receivers). Most movie &amp;quot;M16A2&amp;quot; rifles have the A1 Birdcage flash hider installed, since Cinematographers want the &amp;quot;starburst&amp;quot; of the Flash to go all the way around, not just divert upwards (as is the case with the correct A2 Flash hider). In the real world, the fully automatic version of the M16A2 is known as the '''M16A3''', however, '''because nearly all movie &amp;quot;M16A2s&amp;quot; fire full automatic, it is not IMFDB policy to designate these rifles as &amp;quot;M16A3s&amp;quot; when identifying them in movies, since in nearly all cases they are intended to pass for M16A2s.'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also note that some American movies feature [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles fitted with M16A2-style handguards, such as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Die Hard 2]]''. An example of such a rifle can be seen in the M16A1 entry above. When identifying M16 variants, please look at the '''receiver''' of the rifle in question, not just its handguards, to determine whether it is an A1 or an A2.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|right|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm.  Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[G.I._Joe:_The_Rise_of_Cobra|G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra]] || || US Army soldier || fitted with a M203 grenade launcher with the lower half of the standard handguard removed || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia]] ||  || Colombian Army soldiers ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia]] ||  || Rogue unit ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] ||  || Stripper ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Cloverfield]] ||  || US Army Soldiers ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Babylon A.D.]] ||  || Neolite ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bangkok Dangerous]] ||  || Police sniper || With scope, Harris bipod, and cheekpad || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[I Am Legend]] ||  || Guard ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bobby Z]] || [[Laurence Fishburne]] || Tad Gruzsa ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Home of the Brave]] || [[Brian Presley]] || SPC. Tommy Yates ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Home of the Brave]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Departed, The|The Departed]] ||  || Police honor guard ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Blood Diamond]] ||  || Sierra Leone Army soldiers ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Blood Diamond]] ||  || South African mercenaries ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[X-Men: The Last Stand]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[War of the Worlds]] ||  || US Army soldiers || With &amp;amp; without Surefire Universal weaponlight || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[War of the Worlds]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Jake Gyllenhaal]] || Anthony &amp;quot;Swoff&amp;quot; Swofford ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Jamie Foxx]] || SSGT. Sykes || With &amp;amp; without paintball conversion || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Lucas Black]] || LCPL. Chris Kruger ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Laz Alonso]] || LCPL. Ramon Escobar || With Cobra CM203 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Brian Geraghty]] || Fergus || With &amp;amp; without M203 grenade launcher || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Peter Sarsgaard]] || Troy || With M203 grenade launcher/Cobray CM203 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Lord of War]] ||  ||  || Seen in warehouse || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Day After Tomorrow, The|The Day After Tomorrow]] ||  || US Army soldier ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Whole Ten Yards, The|The Whole Ten Yards]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Jimmy &amp;quot;The Tulip&amp;quot; Tudesky ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Whole Ten Yards, The|The Whole Ten Yards]] || [[Matthew Perry]] || Oz ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout]] || [[Ron Livingston]] || Donnie Anderson ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bad Boys II]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bad Boys II]] ||  || [[Miami PD officers ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A Man Apart]] ||  || Guard ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Core, The|The Core]] ||  || US military personnel ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battle Royale II: Requiem]] ||  || Japanese soldiers ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tears of the Sun]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dreamcatcher]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]] ||  || US Marines || With &amp;amp; without M203 grenade launcher || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Die Another Day]] ||  || US military personnel ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Die Another Day]] ||  || South Korean Military Police ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Blade_II|Blade II]] || [[Matt Schulze]] || Chupa || fitted with a tactical flashlight, two MWG 90-round magazines coupled together (night club scene) and standard 30-round mag (sewer scene)|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ali G Indahouse]] || [[Sasha Baron Cohen]] || Ali G ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Josh Hartnett]] || SSGT. Matt Eversmann ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Ewan McGregor]] || SPC. John Grimes || With M203 grenade launcher || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Johnny Strong]] || SFC Randy Shughart ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Carmine Giovinazzo]] || SGT. Mike Goodale ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Matthew Marsden]] || SPC. Dale Sizemore ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Gregory Sporleder]] || SGT. Scott Galentine ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Brian Van Holt]] || SGT. Struecker ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Enrique Murciano]] || SSGT. Ruiz || With Cobray CM203 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] ||  || US Army Rangers ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jurassic Park III]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Evolution]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Swordfish]] ||  || Police officer ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Three Kings]] || [[Mark Wahlberg]] || SFC Troy Barlow ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Three Kings]] || [[Ice Cube]] || SSGT. &amp;quot;Chief&amp;quot; Elgin ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Three Kings]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Blue Streak]] ||  || US Custom agents ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Blue Streak]] ||  || Mexican Border Patrol officers ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Siege, The|The Siege]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Godzilla (1998)|Godzilla]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Armageddon]] ||  || US military personnel ||  || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Con Air]] || [[John Malkovich]] || Cyrus &amp;quot;The Virus&amp;quot; Grissom ||  || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Con Air]] || [[Ving Rhames]] || Nathan &amp;quot;Diamond Dog&amp;quot; Jones ||  || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Pest, The|The Pest]] || [[John Leguizamo]] || Pestario &amp;quot;Pest&amp;quot; Vargas ||  || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Volcano]] ||  || Army National Guard soldiers ||  || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] ||  || US Marine honor guard ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bulletproof (1996)|Bulletproof]] ||  || LAPD SWAT officers ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bulletproof (1996)|Bulletproof]] ||  || DEA agents ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || [[Meg Ryan]] || CPT. Karen Emma Walden || With full-auto lower receiver  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || [[Seth Gilliam]] || SGT. Steven Altameyer ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Courage Under Fire]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Independence Day]] ||  || US military personnel ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Eraser]] ||  || US Marshal ||  || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[GoldenEye]] ||  || US Marines ||  || 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Clear and Present Danger]] ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Pauly Shore]] || PFC Bones Conway ||  || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jurassic Park]] ||  || Guards || With &amp;amp; wouthout barrel-mounted weaponlights || 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Stone Cold]] ||  || Soldiers ||  || 1991&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[RoboCop_2|Robocop 2]] ||  || Detroit Police officers || fitted with MWC &amp;quot;90-rounder&amp;quot; inverted drums and 30-round translucent magazines || 1990&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]] || [[Michael Gross]] || William Matrix ||  || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Over There]] || [[Nicki Lynn Aycox]] || Pvt. Brenda &amp;quot;Mrs. B&amp;quot; Mitchell ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Over There]] || [[Lizette Carrión]] || PFC Esmaralda &amp;quot;Doublewide&amp;quot; Del Rio ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] ||  || Pittsburg PD officers ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] ||  || Armored van driver ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] ||  || Henchman ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[JAG]] / &amp;quot;In Country&amp;quot; || [[Randy Vasquez]] || GSgt. Galindez ||  || 1995 - 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[JAG]] / &amp;quot;In Country&amp;quot; || [[David James Elliott]] || Cmdr. Harmon &amp;quot;Harm&amp;quot; Rabb ||  || 1995 - 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[JAG]] / &amp;quot;In Country&amp;quot; || [[Catherine Bell]] || Lt. Col. Sarah &amp;quot;Mac&amp;quot; Mackenzie ||  || 1995 - 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Play 16&amp;quot; || [[Max Martini]] || MSgt. Mack Gerhardt || With M9 bayonet || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Dark of the Moon&amp;quot; || [[Eric Ladin]] || Cpl. Blaylock ||  || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Dark of the Moon&amp;quot; ||  || US Army soldiers ||  || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jericho]] / &amp;quot;Coalition of the Willing&amp;quot; || [[Skeet Ulrich]] || Jake Green ||  || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jericho]] / &amp;quot;Reconstruction&amp;quot; || [[Kenneth Mitchell]] || Eric Green ||  || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jericho]] || [[Brad Beyer]] || Stanley Richmond ||  || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jericho]] || [[Gerald McRaney]] || Johnston Green ||  || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Doppleganger&amp;quot; || [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] || Frank Parker ||  || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Peacekeepers&amp;quot; || [[Don Franklin]] || Cpt. Craig Donovan ||  || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Peacekeepers&amp;quot; || [[Rick Worthy]] || Sgt. Grubbs ||  || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Star Trek: Voyager]] / &amp;quot;Future's End&amp;quot; ||  || Militant extremists ||  || 1995 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[CSI: NY]] / &amp;quot;Heroes&amp;quot; ||  || US Marines || With ACOG scopes, with &amp;amp; without M203 grenade launchers || 2004 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[CSI: NY]] / &amp;quot;Charge of This Post&amp;quot; || [[Eion Bailey]] || Dean Lessing ||  || 2004 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tremors: The Series]] / &amp;quot;Night of the Shriekers&amp;quot; || [[Patrick St. Esprit]] || Karl Hartung ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tremors: The Series]] / &amp;quot;Night of the Shriekers&amp;quot; ||  || Security personnel ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ultimate Force]] / &amp;quot;Dead Is Forever&amp;quot; || [[Ross Kemp]] || Sgt. Henno Garvie || With M203 grenade launcher || 2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[X Files, The|The X Files]] ||  ||  ||  || 1993 - 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;400&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[50 Cent: Bulletproof]] ||  ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[GoldenEye 007]] || As the &amp;quot;AR33&amp;quot; || Erroneously shown capable of full auto fire || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Flashpoint]] ||  || With and without M203 grenade launcher || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] ||  || With and without M203 grenade launcher || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Conflict: Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad]] ||  || With M203 grenade launcher || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army]] ||  || With and without M203 grenade launcher || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army: Rise of a Soldier]] ||  || With and without M203 grenade launcher || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Postal 2]] ||  ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Punisher, The (VG)|The Punisher]] || As the &amp;quot;5.56mm Assault Rifle&amp;quot; || With optional M203 grenade launcher and night-vision scope, incorrectly shown capable of full auto fire  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project I.G.I]] ||  ||  || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project IGI 2: Covert Strike]] ||  || With M203 grenade launcher || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Left 4 Dead]] || Assault Rifle || With barrel-mounted weaponlight&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;50-round magazine || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Left 4 Dead 2]] || M-16 Assault Rifle || With barrel-mounted weaponlight and optional laser sight&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;50-round magazine || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] ||  ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Command &amp;amp; Conquer]] ||  || Seen on box art only, non-playable || 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Far Cry 2]] || As the &amp;quot;M16A3&amp;quot; || Seen in a magazine and on posters, non-playable || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Delta Force: Black Hawk Down]] || || Available w/ [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising]] || || Available w/ [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Manhunt]] || As the &amp;quot;M16&amp;quot; || || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Manhunt 2]] || As the &amp;quot;M16&amp;quot; || || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;400&amp;quot;|'''Notes'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|''' Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mayoi Neko Overrun!]] ||  || ||&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[When They Cry|Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai]] ||Banken Soldiers||Using 20 round magazines||2006&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex]] || American Empire soldiers || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== M16A4 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A4 with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&amp;amp;ACOG.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) with RAS rails installed, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, and ACOG scope 5.56x45mm. This is the U.S.M.C. style setup.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The M16A4 is often mistaken as an M16A3 w/ RIS rails. This is not true.  The M16A3 is a full auto M16A2 with the standard A2 upper receiver and barrel.  The Flat top with removable carry handle and RAS rails only appear on the A4s.  Also the A4 is a 3-round burst rifle like the A2.  As is the case with the A2 rifle, all movie/TV appearances of the 'flat top' M16 are full auto, not three round burst, since no director wants to see only three rounds fire at a time. So these are, again, A4 uppers built on full auto lower receivers. Despite the fact that the real world A4 is a three round burst rifle, IMFDB will still refer to the movie incarnations as A4s, since that is the rifle they are supposed to represent on film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battle: Los Angeles]] |||| U.S. Marines ||  || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Survival of the Dead]] || [[Athena Karkanis]] || Tomboy ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Legion]] || [[Paul Bettany]] || Michael || Fitted with an [[M203]] grenade launcher || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]] ||  || U.S. military personnel || With ACOG scopes, Surefire Universal weaponlights, and RIS foregrips || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Far Cry (2009)|Far Cry]] || || Mercenary || With Aimpoint sight || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Hurt Locker]] || || U.S. Army soldiers || With Aimpoint sight || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Day the Earth Stood Still, The (2008)|The Day the Earth Stood Still]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Incredible Hulk, The (2008)|The Incredible Hulk]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[28 Weeks Later]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Home of the Brave]] ||  || Sgt. First Class Duhon || With EOTech red dot sight || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || U.S. Marines || [[CSI: Miami]] / &amp;quot;Come As You Are&amp;quot; || With ACOG scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2002 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || Miami-Dade P.D. officer || [[CSI: Miami]] / &amp;quot;Seeing Red&amp;quot; || With EOTech red dot sight || 2002 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || New Bern residents || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] ||  || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || Beck's soldiers || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || With and without M68 Aimpoint scope and Surefire weaponlight || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || U.S. Army soldier || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] ||  || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Flag]] || UNF soldiers|| used in multiple configurations || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;400&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike Online]]||Black Angel||w/ RIS foregrip|| ||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Marines: Modern Urban Combat]] ||  || With ACOG scope and optional M203 grenade launcher || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || || With a variety of accessories|| 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] ||  || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, ACOG scope, and M203 grenade launcher || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army 3]] ||  || With optional M68 Aimpoint scope, Surefire weaponlight, or [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320]] grenade launcher || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army 3]] || As the &amp;quot;M16A4 DMR&amp;quot; || With M150 ACOG scope and semi-auto fire only || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the &amp;quot;M-16A3&amp;quot; || Erroneously shown as capable of both full auto and 3-round burst fire || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army: True Soldiers]] ||  || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope and M203 grenade launcher || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] ||  || With optional Sure Shot red dot sight and M203 grenade launcher, erroneously shown as capable of full auto fire in single player || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[Insurgency]] ||  || With or without M203 grenade launcher || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With optional M68 Aimpoint red dot &amp;amp; ACOG scopes, Grippod foregrip, and M203 grenade launcher || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon]] || As the &amp;quot;M16A2&amp;quot; || With M68 Aimpoint scope and optional M203 grenade launcher || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==Colt AR-15 Sporter-1==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt AR-15 Model SP1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Films===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Pauly Shore]] || PFC &amp;quot;Bones&amp;quot; Conway || With A2-style handguards || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Lori Petty]] || Pvt. Christine Jones || With A2-style handguards || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[David Alan Grier]] || Pvt. Fred Ostroff || With A2-style handguards || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]] ||  || US Army soldiers || With A2-style handguards || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Trespass]] || [[Ice Cube]] || Savon || With A2-style handguards and rubber bands on pistol grip &amp;amp; handguard || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Trespass]] || [[Byron Minns]] || Moon || With A2-style handguards and rubber bands on pistol grip &amp;amp; handguard || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Trespass]] || [[Tommy &amp;quot;Tiny&amp;quot; Lister]] || Cletus || With A2-style handguards and rubber bands on pistol grip &amp;amp; handguard || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Trespass]] || [[Tico Wells]] || Davis || With A2-style handguards and rubber bands on pistol grip &amp;amp; handguard || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Time and Tide]] ||  ||  ||  || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Four Brothers]] ||  || Police honor guard || With A2-style handguards and 20-round magazines || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Star Trek: Voyager]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==Colt Match Target==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PostbanAR15A2standard.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Match Target with 20-round magazine 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Post-ban version of the AR-15A2 HBAR; it has the bayonet lug deleted and features a barrel that has no threading and therefore cannot accept a muzzle brake or flash hider.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Home of the Brave]] || [[Brian Presley]] || Tommy Yates || With magazine removed || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt AR-15 Sporter Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt-Sporter-I-Carbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Sporter I Carbine - 5.56x45mm. Colt's public offering of a lightweight carbine based on the AR-15 Platform. This rifle has been erroneously called &amp;quot;the M16 Shorty&amp;quot; for years by Law Enforcement and Firearms &amp;quot;authors&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;M16 Shorty&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Shorty Carbine&amp;quot; have never been authorized or used names for the rifle by Colt or the Government.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtSporterIICarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Sporter II Carbine with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. Colt model #R-6420. Colt still insisted on using the SP1 style lower receiver so any rifle that looks like this but has the ribbing around the magazine release button is not a Colt rifle. Variants of this rifle have both the round and tear drop forward assist buttons, however, most of the early years of production had the tear drop button, like this rifle in the photo.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtSporterIIw30RdMag.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Sporter II Carbine with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. This is the exact same rifle as above except with a 30 round magazine instead of a 20 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Films===&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[To Live and Die in L.A.]]'' (1985)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ben Stiller]] as Tugg Speedman and others in [[Tropic Thunder]]&lt;br /&gt;
::This info is incorrect.  Speedman's rifle, though a 16&amp;quot; carbine is not either a Sporter I or Sporter II. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Different Actors || U.S. Army soldiers || [[X-Files, The]] || Mocked up to look like M16A2 || 1993 - 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Diemaco C7/Colt Model 715 ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 715 (virtually identical rifle to the Colt Canada C7) - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtCanadaC7A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C7A1 with ELCAN scope and polymer magazine 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C7a2.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C7A2 with ELCAN scope and polymer magazine 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Known as the Colt Model 715 in the United States, the Diemaco C7 is a Canadian license-built version of the M16 that was developed in tandem with the M16A2, but retains the rear sight and the automatic firing mode of the earlier M16A1, with the further addition of a heavier barrel and brass deflector. The original C7 was gradually replaced by the C7A1 in Canadian service during the mid 1990s, eliminating the carrying handle in favor of a Weaver rail system and a 3.5x ELCAN optical sight. The C7A2 is a mid-life upgrade of the C7A1 that adds a 4-position M4-style stock, a new handguard and pistol grip in OD green, and a Triad rail system that allows for the mounting of additional accessories such as RIS foregrips or AN/PEQ-2 laser illumination devices. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''NOTE: Diemaco (currently Colt Canada) does not permit sale of their weapons to civilians (including film armorers), so C7s in films is near impossible to see.  However, several AR-15 manufacturers built identically-configured rifles with the same receiver style, which were usually marketed as &amp;quot;budget&amp;quot; alternatives to their [[M16A2]] clones.  Colt manufactured the Model 715, while Olympic Arms manufactured its own version, the K4B (which is currently sold as the &amp;quot;Plinker Plus 20&amp;quot;).  Most of the &amp;quot;C7&amp;quot; rifles appearing in movies and TV shows are the older-model (pre-1994) Olympic Arms K4B rifles; these guns are evidently preferred by the armorers in Vancouver, British Columbia and have been featured on TV shows such as ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'', ''[[The X-Files]]'', ''[[Millennium]]'', and ''[[Viper]]''.  If the movie or TV show you are watching was filmed in British Columbia, chances are that you're seeing a converted Olympic Arms K4B, and not a genuine C7.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Walking Tall]] ||  || Ex-Deputy || With Beta-C drum magazine || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Dumbo Drop]] ||  || Green Berets,US Soldiers,ARVN || Mocked up as M16A1 || 1995&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[James McGowan]] || Major Mike Kessler || [[The Border (TV Series)]] / &amp;quot;Blowback&amp;quot; || With ELCAN sight  || 2008-2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Harsh Realm]] ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || Repblican Guard Special Forces || [[Harsh Realm]] ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || Cherokee rebels || [[Harsh Realm]] ||  || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || Survivalists/other characters || [[Millennium]] ||  || 1997 - 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S.A.F. personnel || [[Stargate: SG1]] ||  || 1997 - 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S. military personnel/various bad guys || [[Viper]] ||  || 1996 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  ||  || [[Viper]] / &amp;quot;Diamond in the Rough&amp;quot; || With 20-round magazine and [[Cobray 37mm Launcher#Cobray CM203 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 launcher]] || 1996 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || Villains || [[Viper]] ||  || 1996 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || Armored van robber || [[Sentinel, The (TV series)|The Sentinel]] / &amp;quot;Love and Guns&amp;quot; || with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203]] || 1996 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Richard Burgi]] || Det. Jim Ellison || [[Sentinel, The (TV series)|The Sentinel]] / &amp;quot;Siege&amp;quot; ||  || 1996 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Referred as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jagged Alliance 2]] || C-7 || || || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  ||  || C7A2, with Back-Up Iron Sights, EOTech red dot sight, ELCAN scope, and M203 grenade launcher || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Diemaco/Colt Canada C8 Carbine ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:C8A1ELCAN.JPG|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C8A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with ELCAN scope. Also known as the &amp;quot;C8FT&amp;quot; (Flat-Top)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt Canada C8 carbine.JPG|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C8A3 carbine 5.56x45mm with ELCAN scope and polymer magazine. Also known as the &amp;quot;C8FTHB (Flat-Top Heavy Barrel)]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Essentially a carbine version of the C7 rifle, the C8 carbine serves the same role in the Canadian Armed Forces as the M4A1 carbine serves in the U.S. military. The original C8 is virtually identical to the Colt Model 653 carbine, while later variants introduced heavier barrels and flat-top upper recievers.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || Gunmen || [[The Border (TV Series)]] / &amp;quot;Gross Deceptions&amp;quot; || With ELCAN sight  || 2008-2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Referred as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || C8A3, with ELCAN scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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== M16 with M203 Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''NOTE: In some movies and TV shows, the [[Cobray 37mm Launcher]] is used to impersonate the M203. For a list of ways to tell the two launchers apart, visit the Cobray 37mm Launcher page.''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16M203PredatorCombo.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Screen-used Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 5.56x45mm configured as seen in ''[[Predator]]'' © Copyright MPM2008 - 2009 Licensed to www.imfdb.org ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A1wNewCM203.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launcher for Comparison - 37mm.  Many times these unrestricted 37mm launchers double for the real M203 launcher.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A2 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M16A4M203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A4 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher 40mm. This configuration is commonly used by the U.S. Marine Corps]]&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Scarface]] || [[Al Pacino]] || Tony Montana || M16A1, with two magazines taped together &amp;quot;jungle style&amp;quot; || 1983&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Predator]] || [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || Dutch || AR-15/SP1 || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Police Academy 6: City Under Siege]] || [[David Graf]] || Eugene Tackleberry || M16A1 || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Peter Sarsgaard]] || Troy || M16A2 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Brian Geraghty]] || Fergus || M16A2 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Laz Alonso]] || LCpl. Ramon Escobar || M16A2 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Boondock Saints, The|The Boondock Saints]] ||  ||  || M16A1, hanging on wall || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Ewan McGregor]] || Spc. John Grimes || M16A2 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Enrique Murciano]] || Sgt. Ruiz || M16A2 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Philip Kwok]] || Mad Dog || M16A1 || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Clear and Present Danger]] || [[Jaime Gomez]] || Sgt. Julio Vega || M16A1 || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Clear and Present Danger]] ||  || Reciprocity team member || M16A2 || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Heartbreak Ridge]] || [[Rodney Hill]] || Collins || AR-15/SP1 || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course, The|The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course]] ||  || US Army Ranger || M16A1 || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tomorrow Never Dies]] ||  || Henchmen || M16A2, with Beta-C drum magazines || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[American Gangster]] ||  ||  || M16A1 || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Bokeem Woodbine]] || Sgt. Crisp || M16A1 || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Cpt. Darrow || Switches between AR-16/SP1 and M16A1 || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] ||  || Rogue Marines || M16A1 || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Without a Paddle]] || [[Seth Green]] || Dan || M16A1 || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Without a Paddle]] || [[Ethan Suplee]] || Elwood || M16A1 || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[One That Got Away, The|The One That Got Away]] || [[Paul McGann]] || Chris Ryan || AR-15/SP1, with camouflage paint scheme || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bravo Two Zero]] || [[Sean Bean]] || Andy McNab || M16A2, with camouflage paint scheme and compass attached to handguard || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bravo Two Zero]] || [[Kevin Collins]] || Chris Ryan || M16A2, with camouflage paint scheme || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Sniper 2]] ||  ||  || M16A1, with scope mounted on carry handle || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home]] ||  || US Marine || M16A1 || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Pauly Shore]] || Bones Conway || M16A1, promotional material only || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield Earth]] ||  || Human resistance fighters || M16A1 || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Punisher, The (2004)|The Punisher]] || [[Thomas Jane]] || Frank Castle || M16A2, promotional material only || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]] ||  || US Marine || M16A2 || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Legion]] || [[Paul Bettany]] || Michael || Switches between M16A2 and M16A4 || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || Mounted on M16A2 || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kieran Mulroney]] || Cpl. Mick Kirkland || [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Daddy's Little Girl&amp;quot; || Mounted on M16A1, with and without night vision scope || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Todd Kimsey]] || Lt. Willis || [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Daddy's Little Girl&amp;quot; || Mounted on M16A1, with and without night vision scope || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Gary Dourdan]] || Sgt. Mohmand || [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Daddy's Little Girl&amp;quot; || Mounted on M16A1, with and without night vision scope || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S. Marines || [[CSI: NY]] / &amp;quot;Heroes&amp;quot; || Mounted on M16A2, with ACOG scope || 2004- ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[George Peppard]] || Col. John &amp;quot;Hannibal&amp;quot; Smith || [[A-Team, The|The A-Team]] / &amp;quot;The Sound of Thunder&amp;quot; || Mounted on AR-15/SP1 || 1983 - 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;400&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Battlefield 2]] ||  || Mounted on M16A2 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Spec Ops: Ranger Elite]] || || on M16A1 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4, with ACOG scope || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] || || Mounted on M16A1 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army]] ||  || Mounted on M16A2 || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army: Rise of a Soldier]] ||  || Mounted on M16A2 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Flashpoint]] ||  || Mounted on M16A2 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4, with AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4, with AN/PEQ-2 IR designator and ACOG scope || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4 || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Insurgency]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4 || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army: True Soldiers]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4, with optional M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[007: Agent Under Fire]] || As the &amp;quot;Windsor FSU-4&amp;quot; || Mounted on M16A1 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] || As the &amp;quot;M16A2&amp;quot; || Mounted on M16A4, with optional ACOG scope, red dot sight, and camouflage paint scheme || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Marines: Modern Urban Combat]] ||  || Mounted on M16A4, with ACOG scope || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|  Asano || [[Mezzo DSA]] || Mounted on M16A1 || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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| U.S. soldier || [[Blood+]] || Mounted on M16A2 || 2005 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt 609-XM1771E1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 609 aka U.S. Army's XM177E1- 5.56mm.  This submachine gun utilized the partial magazine fence, the tear drop forward assist, but kept the 10&amp;quot; barrel and Flash hider/Suppressor that did not have a grenade ring (a later feature on the E2 model).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtModel610-XM177.jpg|thumb|500px|right|GAU-5/A aka Colt Model 610 - 5.56x45mm.  This is the USAF version and was only used by them.  This is NOT the E1 version, which was used almost exclusively by the Army.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM177E2.jpg|thumb|500px|right|'''XM177E2 Carbine''' aka Colt Model 629 aka - 5.56x45mm.  This was the last variant of the XM177 rifle used in the Vietnam War.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Commercial CAR-15 semiautomatic Rifle - 5.56x45mm.  This is strictly a semiautomatic civilian copy of the XM177 style of rifles.  The flash hider is a smaller diameter copy of the XM-177 and has no sound suppression qualities and is permanently welded onto the barrel to make it legal length for over the counter gun store sales.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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During the Vietnam War, Colt made several short barreled carbines that were fielded.  The '''Colt Model 607''' (a line of carbines that would eventually be called the CAR-15 in the US Market) was designated the '''XM177''' in Vietnam. It had a 10&amp;quot; barrel and a slab side receiver just like the original AR-15s.  The '''Colt Model 609''' was designated the '''XM177E1''', where they added a forward assist, upgraded breakdown pin assembly and a chromed chamber (the same modifications made to the A1 upgrade of the M16 rifle).  This version was also where they started stamping the receivers &amp;quot;Commando&amp;quot;, thus known as the &amp;quot;Colt Commando&amp;quot; back in the States.   The '''Colt Model 610''' was a version built for the USAF security forces, and was called the '''XM177 GAU-5/A''' or when formally adopted by the US Air Force, 'the '''GAU-5/A''' ' (which is why the gun is seen on the show [[Stargate: SG1]] since the USAF used the carbine until recently).  The '''Colt Model 629''' was officially designated the '''XM177E2''' having changed the barrel from 10&amp;quot; to 11.5&amp;quot; and slightly changing the flash hider/sound suppressor.  This is the version '''most seen''' as replica and airsoft guns throughout the world.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The XM177 was adopted by the US Air force during the vietnam war and is still used by the USAF. The XM177E1 and the XM177E2 was adopted by the US Army and is no longer used.&lt;br /&gt;
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''Movie Armorer's note:  Since the ATF viewed the flashhider of the XM177 as a 'silencer' due to the sound baffles within the item, it was as strictly controlled as any other silencer.  Also the interior design of the flash hider / sound suppressor of the XM177 made it difficult to adapt to fire movie blanks.  '''Thus there are virtually NO real XM177s used in movies. ''' Most of the versions seen in films are modified commercial SP1 Carbines/M16 shorties with 'fake' XM177 flash hiders slipped over or welded to the end of the barrel.  Also movie armorers used aftermarket barreled uppers by third party manufacturers and mated them to existing fully automatic lower receivers, thus were constantly swapping parts to build up guns which were requested by movie directors.  So it is possible to see various upper receiver assemblies on recognizable M16/A1/A2 lower receivers.  ''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
* U.S. Army Special Forces in ''[[The Peacemaker]]'' (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Criminal Henchwoman in ''[[Fatal Beauty]]'' (1987)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sean Connery]] as John Mason, [[Nicolas Cage]] as Stanley Goodspeed, and Rogue US Recon Marines in ''[[The Rock]]'' (fitted with tactical flashlights and/or M203 Grenade Launchers)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* M.O.I. Swat teams in ''[[Brazil]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Double Impact]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* Richard Norton in ''[[Equalizer 2000]]'' (heavily modified to look somewhat futuristic)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Leonardo DiCaprio]] as Danny Archer in ''[[Blood Diamond]]'' (with Aimpoint M3 red-dot sight and camouflage paint) (unknown variant; A2 receiver with XM177-style front end)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Colonel Coetzee ([[Arnold Vosloo]])'s men in ''[[Blood Diamond]]'' ''(with Aimpoint M3 red-dot sight and camouflage paint)'' (unknown variant; A2 receiver with XM177-style front end)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Counter-terrorist teams in ''[[Toy Soldiers]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* Shadow Company goons and [[Gary Busey]] as Mr. Joshua in ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' (Busey using one with a scope as well as with and without 'jungle-style' taped magazines)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Drug runners in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* U.S. military personnel in ''[[Die Another Day]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* N.Y.P.D. SWAT in ''[[Park is Mine, The|The Park is Mine]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bucho's henchmen in ''[[Desperado]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Reciprocity team members in ''[[Clear and Present Danger]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* N.Y.P.D. SWAT commander in ''[[The Park is Mine]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Danny Glover]] as Lt. Mike Harrigan in ''[[Predator 2]]'', (fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]])&lt;br /&gt;
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* U.S. Navy SEALs in ''[[Navy SEALs]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Michael Biehn]] as Lt. Curran in ''[[Navy SEALs]]'' (fitted with M203 grenade launcher)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[John Castle]] as Paul McDaggett in ''[[RoboCop 3]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as Ben Richards in ''[[The Running Man]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* A Chicago P.D. SWAT sniper in ''[[Fugitive, The|The Fugitive]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Judd Nelson]] as Nick in ''[[New Jack City]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* Navy Seals in ''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Ramon Cota's men in ''[[Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection]]''(Fitted with [[M203]] grenade launchers)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dean Norris]] as Det. Sgt. Goodhart, [[Charles Boswell]] as Jack Axel in ''[[Hard to Kill]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* FBI HRT members in ''[[The Cell]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Valri Bromfield]] as 'Miss Purdah' in ''[[Nothing But Trouble]]'' (She carries both a civilian CAR-15 and an XM177E2.)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Raymond Cruz]] || Rodriguez || [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Daddy's Little Girl&amp;quot; || Mocked-up weapons with M16A2-style receivers || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Seven Days]] || Mocked-up weapons with M16A2-style receivers || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || NNL Personnel || [[Seven Days]] || Mocked-up weapons with M16A2-style receivers || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Terence Knox]] || Sgt 1st Class Clayton &amp;quot;Zeke&amp;quot; Anderson || [[Tour of Duty]] ||  || 1987 - 1989&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Spriggan]]'' (Model 610)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[The World Is Not Enough (video game)|The World Is Not Enough]]'' (as the &amp;quot;Mustang MAR-4&amp;quot;, available with an M203 grenade launcher as the &amp;quot;Mustang MAR-4 GL&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Jagged Alliance 2]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Operation Flashpoint]]'' (XM-177E2)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Max Payne]]'' series&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ColtM653.jpg|thumb|500px|right|Colt Model 653 Carbine 16&amp;quot; barrel - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM654.jpg‎|thumb|500px|right|Colt Model 654 - a Model 653 designed for export - 14.5&amp;quot; barrel and no forward Assist - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
After 1973 Colt made several lightweight versions of the M16 and Commando rifles for use with Police and Security forces, as well as civilian sales worldwide.  It had the features of the XM177 rifle series, including the telescoping stock, but had either a 14.5&amp;quot; or a 16&amp;quot; lightweight barrel, depending on the demands of the customer, whether domestic or foreign.  ''It was NOT correct for Viet Nam, despite what the movie '''[[Platoon]]''' portrays.'' Though 'unofficially' called the &amp;quot;M16 Shorty&amp;quot; by some writers and shooters, the 16&amp;quot; barreled lightweight carbine was never adopted formally by the US Military, and thus never had an &amp;quot;M&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;XM&amp;quot; designation.  It was used in the U.S. by Federal and local law enforcement. The Model 653 is also the basis for the Diemaco/Colt Canada C8 carbine series (see above). &lt;br /&gt;
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Colt also made the '''Model 733''', which was a 11.5&amp;quot; barreled version of the Model 653,  intended for Tactical police and security work. Later manufactured versions of both guns had A2 style heavy barrels.  The '''Model 723''' was a '''733''' designed for export for the UAE and used by US Delta Force.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:R6520-A2Carbine.jpg‎|thumb|500px|right|Model 725 - aka the Colt R6520 A2 Govt. Model Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 727 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
''What is confusing is that other manufacturers made all sorts of modified short barreled AR-15 rifles for the Police and Civilian markets throughout the years.  Colt themselves bastardized so many of their rifles throughout the years, swapping particular uppers with different lowers so that there will always be exceptions to the rule.  The explosion of custom and unique looking AR-15 rifles in the 1980s and 1990s has led to a lot of confusion regarding what rifle is in what movie.  ''&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg‎|thumb|500px|right|Colt Model 733 SMG - 5.56x45mm.  Note that the Colt Model 733 has the A1E1 upper receiver (A1 rear sights, but has a brass deflector, like the Model 715 or any of the Canadian M16s)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Willem Dafoe]] as Sergeant Elias K. Grodin in ''[[Platoon]]'' (M653)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Tom Berenger]] as Sgt. Bob Barnes in  ''[[Platoon]]'' (M653)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Robert De Niro]] as Neil McCauley in ''[[Heat]]'' (M733)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Val Kilmer]] as Chris Shiherlis in ''[[Heat]]'' (M733)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Michael Paul Chan]] as U.N. Cultural Attache of China Xian Chen in ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'' ((Colt AR-15 Carbine, Civilian version of the Colt M653); fitted with Aimpoint 9000 SC red dot scope and silencer)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Delta Force operators and [[Ron Eldard]] as Mike Durant in ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' (M727 and M733, fitted with various accessories including M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, silencers, tactical flashlights, and camouflage paint)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Linda Hamilton]] as Sarah Connor in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]'' (fitted with silencer, laser sight, and ACOG scope, and a standard issue one on the freeway shootout) (Supposed to be an XM177E2 but was Commercial Colt version of the Model 653 with a fake slip on flash hider)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as the T-800 in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]'' (Supposed to be an XM177E2 but was Commercial Colt version of the Model 653 with a fake slip on flash hider)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Models at the Berlin Arms Fair in ''[[Lord of War]]'' (M653 and M723)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Brazilian cops (BOPE members) in ''[[Elite Squad]]''&lt;br /&gt;
* Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) in ''[[The Living Daylights]]'' (fitted with a transparent bullet-proof shield) (M733)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hugh Jackman]] as James Howlett in ''[[X-Men Origins: Wolverine]]'' (M733)&lt;br /&gt;
* A Navy SEAL in ''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]]'' (fitted with a [[M203]]) (M653)&lt;br /&gt;
* Special Forces soldiers in ''[[Green Zone]]'' (With Aimpoint sights and Surefire Universal tactical lights) (M727)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] as Frank Parker in ''[[Seven Days]]'' (episode &amp;quot;The Fire Last Time&amp;quot;, M733)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors: The Series]]'' (episodes &amp;quot;Shriek and Destroy&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Night of the Shriekers&amp;quot;, M653)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Victor Browne]] as Tyler Reed in ''[[Tremors: The Series]]'' (episode &amp;quot;Night of the Shriekers&amp;quot;, M653)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Pittsburg P.D. SWAT in ''[[The Kill Point]]'' (M653, fitted with Surefire M500AB weaponlights)&lt;br /&gt;
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* ''[[Miami Vice]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;400&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Project Reality]] || &amp;quot;M16A1 Menosar&amp;quot; || Model 653 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Project Reality]] || &amp;quot;M16A1 Mekotzrar&amp;quot; || Model 733, with A1-style upper receiver || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City]] || &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot; || Model 733 || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]] || &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot; || Model 733 || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories]] || &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot; || Model 733 || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Delta Force: Black Hawk Down]] || &amp;quot;CAR-15&amp;quot; || Model 727 || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Max Payne]] || &amp;quot;Colt Commando&amp;quot; || Model 733 || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] || &amp;quot;Colt Commando&amp;quot; || Model 733, with flat top || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==AR-15 Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
The AR-15 (for Armalite model 15)Carbine is the common name for the widely-owned semi-automatic rifle which soon afterwards became the selective fire M16 and M4 carbine assault rifles, which are currently in use by the United States military. AR-15 was the original name for what became the militarily designated M16, the assault rifle first used by the U.S. in the Vietnam War. The name AR-15 is now used almost exclusively to refer to the semi-automatic (commercially available) civilian version(s) of the M16 and M4 assault rifles.&lt;br /&gt;
Standard AR-15 rifles accept detachable magazines of widely varying capacities, and have a pistol grip that protrudes beneath the stock. AR-15 rifles are highly configurable and customizable. They are commonly fitted with several accessories such as bipods, folding or collapsing stocks, threaded barrels for the attachment of a flash suppressor, and a rail system for the attachment of vertical grips, flashlights, laser sights, telescopic sights, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
The AR-15 consists of separate upper and lower receiver assemblies, which are attached with two through-pins and can be quickly interchanged with no tools. The upper receiver assembly is simply considered a part, and may be freely purchased and mail-ordered in most locations. This is a very attractive feature for enthusiasts, who often purchase a number of upper receivers (often in different calibers) and interchange them with the same lower receiver. However, one must be thoroughly familiar with firearms laws before doing this as it is possible to make an illegal configuration.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:AR15earliervariant.jpg|thumb|right|500px|AR-15 Carbine with 20 round magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Films===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Planet Terror]] || [[Freddy Rodriguez]] || El Wray || With night-vision scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== M4/M4A1 Carbine ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with 4 position collapsible stock 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The M4 Carbine is a 14.5&amp;quot; barreled select fire Assault Rifle.  It has a distinctive 'step down' in the barrel to allow for mounting the M203 grenade launcher. Many of them in the battlefield are customized with forearm rails (usually holding the AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, a vertical forward grip, sometimes a flashlight, or one of many types of rifle scopes and red-dot or reflex optics).  The M4 has three round burst capability, while the M4A1 has full auto fire capability. The very earliest M4s delivered to the U.S. Army had fixed carry handles and were known in Colt's catalog as the Model 777; however, soon after, the military started buying the Model 920, which featured a detachable carry handle, but continued to call these guns &amp;quot;M4s&amp;quot;. Contrary to popular misconception, the carry handles on most M4s and M4A1s are detachable, and most of these carbines are used with the carry handle removed, and a folding rear sight and optic being attached to the receiver instead. As far as the procurement program has always been concerned, the burst/auto capability is the only difference between an M4 and M4A1, however, the M4A1 also utilizes a heavier barrel profile under the handguards in order to prevent the barrel from rapidly overheating during fully automatic fire.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is confusing is that many civilian commercial makers of AR-15 style rifles call their 16&amp;quot; Carbine '''&amp;quot;The M4&amp;quot;'''.  Though there is no rule saying they can't name their gun whatever they want, the official M4 is the version used and originally issued by the U.S. Army and built by Colt.  Colt tried to sue other gun makers to stop using the term 'M4'  however, it was ruled that M4 refers to a '''type''' of firearm and Colt cannot copyright the term.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tomorrow Never Dies]] || [[Götz Otto]] || Stamper || Fitted with M203 Grenade Launcher || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Air Force One]] || [[Gary Oldman]] || Ivan Korshunov || Fitted with C-More Sight, also this is the first known film to feature the M4A1 || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Air Force One]] || [[Elya Baskin]] || Andrei Kolchak || Fitted with C-More sight || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier]] ||  || Child recruits || Fitted with C-More Sights and RIS foregrips || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Cell]] ||  || FBI HRT members || Fitted with tactical light || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[2009: Lost Memories]] ||  || JBI SWAT officers || Fitted with scope, rails, forward handgrips, tactical light and laser aiming devices || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Sum of All Fears]] ||  || U.S. military personnel || Fitted with Trijicon RX01 red dot sight || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX]] || [[Marton Csokas]] || Yorgi || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, Beta-C mag and Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX]] || [[Jan Pavel Filipensky]] || Viktor || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, Beta-C mag and RIS foregrip || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX]] ||  || NSA commandos || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope and Surefire M500AB forend weaponlight || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dreamcatcher]] ||  || Soldiers ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[X2: X-Men United]] ||  || Col. Stryker's men || Fitted with RIS foregrips, tactical flashlights and laser pointers || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[In-Laws, The (2003)|The In-Laws]] || [[David Suchet]] || Jean-Pierre Thibodoux ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bad Boys II]] || [[Yul Vasquez]] || Det. Reyes || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, Surefire M500AB forend weaponslight and laser pointer || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bad Boys II]] ||  || TNT members || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes, M500AB forend weaponslights and laser pointers || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] || Brian Gamble || Fitted with ACOG compact scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || [[L.L. Cool J]] || Officer Deacon 'Deke' Kay || Fitted with ACOG compact scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight handguard || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || [[Colin Farrell]] || Officer Jim Street || Fitted with ACOG compact scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight handguard || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Underworld]] || [[Robbie Gee]] || Kahn || Fitted with a scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] || [[Nick Stahl]] || John Conor || Fitted with C-More sight and M26 MASS || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] ||  || S.W.A.T. officers || Fitted with C-More sights and Surefire M500AB weaponlight || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Cube Zero]] ||  || Soldiers ||  || 2004 &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] || [[Scott Speedman]] || Agent Kyle Steele || Fitted with aforementioned weaponlight and a Leupold CQ/T scope || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] ||  || NSA security forces || Fitted with Surefire M500AB forearm weaponlights || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[XXX2: State of the Union]] ||  || S.W.A.T. officers ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mr. &amp;amp; Mrs. Smith]] ||  || Company Men members ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Transporter 2]] ||  || Miami S.W.A.T. member ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Sentinel]] ||  || CAT operator || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Children of Men]] || [[Chiwetel Ejiofor]] || Luke || Fitted with M203 Grenade Launcher, tactical light and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Children of Men]] ||  || 'Fish' gunman || Fitted with Elcan optical sight || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise]] || [[Kohl Sudduth]] || Officer Simspon || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[28 Weeks Later]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] || Sgt. Doyle || Fitted with EOTech sight, ERGO grip, CAA CBS CAR telescoping stock, PVS-14 NVG sight, and no front post sight || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[28 Weeks Later]] || [[Rose Byrne]] || Major Scarlet || Same one like above || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[28 Weeks Later]] ||  || U.S. Army personnel || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes, ACOG scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators and tactical flashlights || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Transformers]] || Tyrese Gibson || USAF Technical Sergeant Epps || Fitted with ACOG scope and M203 Grenade Launcher || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Transformers]] ||  || SOCCENT personnel and Delta team || Fitted with ACOG scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, RIS foregrips and camouflage paint schemes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dragon Wars: D-War]] ||  || S.W.A.T. teams and U.S. military personnels || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes and RIS foregrips || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Lions for Lambs]] || Derek Luke || Arian Finch || Fitted with ACOG scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Cloverfield]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes and AN/PEQ-2 IR designators || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Hurt Locker]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] || SFC William James || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, tactical weaponlight, RIS foregrip and flip-up rear iron sights || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Hurt Locker]] || [[Anthony Mackie]] || SGT J.T Sanborn || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, ACOG scope, tactical weaponlight, RIS foregrip and flip-up rear iron sights || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Hurt Locker]] || [[Brian Geraghty]] || SPC Owen Eldridge || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, tactical weaponlight and RIS foregrip || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Tropic Thunder]] ||  || Guerrilla Forces || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, RIS foregrip and ACOG scope || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Babylon A.D.]] || [[Vin Diesel]] || Toorop ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Punisher: War Zone]] || [[Ray Stevenson]] || Frank Castle || Fitted with KAC Quad-rails, a C-More red dot optic, an M4-2000 by Advanced Armament Corp suppressor and a short version of the AG36 grenade launcher || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Resident Evil Degeneration]] ||  || Leon || Fitted with folding iron sight, M203 Grenade Launcher and an optical grenade sight || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Resident Evil Degeneration]] ||  || Greg || Fitted with different rear iron sights and tactical weaponlight || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Resident Evil Degeneration]] ||  || U.S. Marines || Fitted with folding iron sight, M203 Grenade Launcher and an optical grenade sight || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia]] ||  || U.S. Navy SEALs || Fitted with AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, ACOG scope, vertical foregrip and flashlights || 2009 &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[31 North 62 East]] ||  || SAS commandos ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Edge of Darkness]] ||  || S.W.A.T. officers || Fitted with EOTech Holographic Sights and weaponlights || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Crazies]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers and an infected hunter || Fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope, ACOG scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip and weaponlight || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Green Zone]] || [[Matt Damon]] || CWO Roy Miller || Fitted with ACOG scope and flashlight || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Green Zone]] ||  || MET-D soldier || Fitted with ACOG scope and flashlight || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] || [[Erik Palladino]] || Sgt. Chris &amp;quot;Scream&amp;quot; Silas || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator and RIS foregrip || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] || [[Omid Abtahi]] || PFC Tariq Nassiri || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator and RIS foregrip || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] || [[Keith Robinson]] || Pvt. Avery &amp;quot;Angel&amp;quot; King || With ACOG scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, and RIS foregrip || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] || [[Luke MacFarlane]] || Pvt. Frank &amp;quot;Dim&amp;quot; Dumphy || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator and M203 grenade launcher || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] || [[Michael Cudlitz]] || Col. Ryan || With silencer, Surefire Universal weaponlight, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, custom camo paint, and RIS foregrip || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] ||  || US Army soldiers || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designators and RIS foregrips || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Over There]] ||  || Iraqi civilian || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator and RIS foregrip || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Stargate: SG1]] ||  || US military personnel || With &amp;amp; without ELCAN scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, &amp;amp; M203 grenade launcher || 1997 - 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] ||  || Pittsburgh PD SWAT officers || With Surefire Universal weaponlights || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || [[Dennis Haysbert]] || Sgt. Maj. Jonas Blane || With &amp;amp; without M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, RIS foregrip, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, ACOG scope, and Surefire Universal weaponlight || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || [[Max Martini]] || Sgt. Mack gerhardt || With ACOG scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and M203 grenade launcher || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || [[Wes Chatham]] || SSgt. Sam McBride || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and RIS foregrip || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || [[Scott Foley]] || Sgt. Bob Brown || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, and RIS foregrip || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Jericho]] || [[D.B. Sweeney]] || Goetz || With AN/PVS-17 night-vision &amp;amp; M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and RIS foregrip || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Jericho]] ||  || Ravenwood mercenaries || With AN/PVS-17 night-vision &amp;amp; M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, Surefire Universal weaponlights, and RIS foregrips || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Jericho]] / &amp;quot;Semper Fidelis&amp;quot; ||  || Fake Marines || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designators and M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Jericho]] ||  || AS Army soldiers || With ACOG scopes, Surefire Universal weaponlights, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, and laser pointers || 2006 - 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[24]] || [[Keifer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || With ACOG scope, EOTech red dot sight, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, Pentagonlight MD3R weaponlight, 20 &amp;amp; 30-round magazines, M68 Aimpoint red dot &amp;amp; AN/PVS-17 night-vision scopes || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24]] ||  || CTU Tactical Team members || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, RIS foregrips, Surefire M500AB &amp;amp; Universal weaponlights || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 2|24]] || [[Sarah Clarke]] || Nina Myers || With ACOG scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, and 20-round magazine || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[24 - Season 4|24]] || [[Mary Lynn Rajskub]] || Chloe O'Brian || With Surefire Universal weaponlight || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 2|24]] ||  || Coral Snake Commandos || With ACOG scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, and RIS foregrips || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 3|24]] ||  || Delta 3 members || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, and Surefire Universal weaponlights || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24]] ||  || US Marines || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, and Surefire Universal weaponlights || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 5|24]] ||  || LAPD SWAT officers || With Surefire M500AB weaponlights || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 5|24]] ||  || US Customs officers || With Surefire M500AB weaponlights || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 7|24]] ||  || US Navy SEALs || With EOTech red dot sights, M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, and M203 grenade launchers || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 7|24]] ||  || FBI agents || With EOTech red dot sights, RIS foregrips, Surefire Universal weaponlights, with &amp;amp; without brass catchers || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[24 - Season 8|24]] ||  || NYPD ESU officers ||  || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[CSI: Miami]] ||  || Miami PD SWAT officers || With EOTech red dot sights, Surefire Universal weaponlights, and ACOG scopes || 2002 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Heroes]] ||  || US Special Forces || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, Surefire Universal weaponlights, RIS foregrips, and laser pointers || 2006 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] ||  || LVPD SWAT officers || With Surefire M500AB weaponlights and M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes || 2000 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[CSI: NY]] / &amp;quot;Snow Day&amp;quot; || [[Melina Kanakaredes]] || Det. Stella Bonasera || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and RIS foregrip || 2004 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[CSI: NY]] ||  || NYPD ESU officers ||  || 2004 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Primeval]] || [[Mark Wakeling]] || Cpt. Tom Ryan || With ACOG scope, RIS foregrip, and Surefire Universal weaponlight || 2007 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Primeval]] ||  || SAS soldiers || With ACOG scope, RIS foregrip, and Surefire Universal weaponlight || 2007 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Glades, The|The Glades]] ||  || Police officer || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope and RIS foregrip || 2010 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Used By'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike]] || Counter Terrorist || Maverick M4A1 Carbine ||  || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Urban Terror]] ||  ||  ||  || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]] ||  ||  ||  || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army]] || U.S. Army || M4A1 Carbine/M4A1 SOPMOD ||Can be fitted with iron sights, Aimpoint M68 red dot sight, Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope, Trijicon RX01 Reflex sight, Harris bipod, suppressor, and M203A1 grenade launcher || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike: Condition Zero]] || Counter Terrorist || Maverick M4A1 Carbine ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Far Cry]] || Jack Carver, Mercenaries || M4 Assault Weapon ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter Strike: Source]] || Counter Terrorist || Maverick M4A1 Carbine ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Full Spectrum Warrior]] ||  ||  ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction]] ||  || Carbine ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[SWAT 4]] || NYPD SWAT, Suspects || M4A1 Carbine || Fitted with SureFire M500AB WeaponLight, and RIS grip || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] || U.S. Marines || M4A1 Carbine || Fitted with Aimpoint M68 red dot sight || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Far Cry Instincts: Predator]] ||  || M4 Carbine || Fitted with C-More sight, suppressor, and camouflage paint scheme || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Full Spectrum Warrior: Ten Hammers]] ||  ||  ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Saints Row]] ||  || AR40 Xtnd ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA: Armed Assault]] || U.S. Army || M4, M4 CompM2, M4 ACOG, M4 + M203, M4 + M203 CompM2, M4A1 ACOG, M4A1 ACOG + M203, M4A1 QDS CompM2 || Available w/ iron sights, Aimpoint M68 red dot sight, Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope, suppressor, and M203A1 grenade launcher || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kane and Lynch: Dead Men]] ||  ||  ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Insurgency]] || U.S. Marines || M4A1 Carbine || Fitted with iron sights, Aimpoint M68 red dot sight, and RIS grip || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || U.S. Marines, British SAS || M4A1, M4 Suppressed, M4A1 Grenadier, M4A1 SOPMOD, M4 SOPMOD || Available w/ iron sights, tasco Red Dot, EOTech 552 holographic sight, Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope, RIS grip, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator, and M203/M203A1/M203PI grenade launchers || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Combat Mission: Shock Force]] || U.S. Army ||  ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] || Counter Terrorist || Maverick M4A1 Carbine ||  ||  2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Army of Two]] ||  || M4A1 ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Saints Row 2]] ||  || AR40 Xtnd ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Grand Theft Auto IV]] || Nico Belic, LCPD N.O.O.S.E. teams, police officers, and prison guard ||  ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mercenaries 2: World In Flames]] ||  || Carbine ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] || Old Snake || Can be fitted with iron sights, Aimpoint red dot sight, ACOG scope, SureFirce WeaponLight, laser module, two types of RIS grips, Masterkey shotgun, and [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch M320]] grenade launcher ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Combat Arms]] ||  || M4A1 ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[50 Cent: Blood on the Sand]] ||  ||  ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]] || U.S. Marines || M4A1, M4A1 (Assault), M4A1 (CQB), M4A1 (Night Ops), M4A1 (Marksman), M4A1 (Stealth) || Available w/ iron sights, Aimpoint M68 red dot sight, EOTech 556 Holographic sight, Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope, AN/PVS-17 night vision scope, suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator, and [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || U.S. Army Rangers, Task Force 141, and Ultranationalist slaughter group || M4A1 Carbine || Can be fitted with iron sights, red dot sight, EOTech 556 Holographic sight, Trijicon ACOG scope, suppressor, and [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army 3]] || U.S. Army || M4A1 Carbine || Can be fitted with Aimpoint M68 red dot sight || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] || U.S. Marines, U.S. Army, and Private Military Company || M4A1, M4A1 QDS, M4A1 QDS CAMO, M4A1 M203 RCO, M4A1 CCO, M4A1 M203 Holo SD, M4A1 M203 Holo, M4A1 M203 SOPMOD SD CAMO || Available w/ iron sights, Aimpoint M68 red dot sight, EOTech 556 Holographic sight, Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope, suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator, and M203A1 grenade launcher || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Homefront]] || Korean soldiers and police, American resistance fighters || M4A1 || Fitted with iron sights, and EOTech 556 Holographic sight || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Operation Flashpoint: Red River]] || U.S. Marines ||  || Seen fitted with iron sights, Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sights, Trijicon TA31RCO-A4CP ACOG scopes, EOTech 556 Holographic sights, AN/PEQ-2 TPIAL laser designators, SureFire Universal WeaponLights, and M203A1 grenade launchers || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|                                             || [[Kochikame, The UFO Movie]] || ||&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|1st Division operators || [[Ga-rei: Zero]] || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|American SOF operators || [[Canaan]] || outfitted with various SOPMOD accessories|| 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
== M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CM4-M203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Eamonn Walker]] as Ellis &amp;quot;Zee&amp;quot; Pettigrew and [[Paul Francis]] as Danny &amp;quot;Doc&amp;quot; Kelley in ''[[Tears of the Sun]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[War of the Worlds]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint and ACOG scopes, C-More red dot sights, and AN/PEQ-2 laser systems)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Thomas_Jane|Thomas Jane]] as Frank Castle in ''[[The Punisher (2004)|The Punisher]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint Close Combat Optic)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Götz Otto]] as Richard Stamper in ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jake La Botz]] as Reese in ''[[Rambo (2008)|Rambo]]'' (fitted with ACOG scope and camo paint scheme)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Henry Ian Cusick]] as Udre Belicoff in ''[[Hitman]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Tyrese Gibson]] as TSgt. Bobby Epps in ''[[Transformers]]'' (with ACOG scope and camouflage paint scheme)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* A U.S. Marine in ''[[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]]'' (with Trijicon RX01 red dot sight)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dennis Haysbert]] || Sgt.Maj. Jonas &amp;quot;Snake Doctor&amp;quot; Blane || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || With various optics and attachments || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] ||  || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Luke MacFarlane]] || Pvt. Frank &amp;quot;Dim&amp;quot; Dumphy || [[Over There]] || With an M68 red dot sight, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Alexander Skarsgard]] || Sgt. Brad &amp;quot;Iceman&amp;quot; Colbert || [[Generation Kill]] || With AN/PVS-17 night-vision and ACOG scopes and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Brian Wade]] || Cpt. Craig &amp;quot;Encino Man&amp;quot; Schwetje || [[Generation Kill]] || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || US military personnel || [[Stargate: SG1]] || With ELCAN scope and AN/PEQ-1 IR designator || 1997 - 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;400&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[America's Army]] ||  || With M68 Aimpoint red dot &amp;amp; ACOG scopes, silencer, and camouflage paint scheme, able to fire HEDP and flare rounds  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With ITL MARS red dot sight or ACOG scope || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Combat Mission: Shock Force]] ||  || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || M4A1 Grenadier / M4A1 SOPMOD || With EOTech red dot sight or SureShot Reflex sight and suppressor || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] ||  || With EOTech red dot sight and camouflage paint scheme || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]] ||  || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
== Colt Model 933 ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4commando.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 933 - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 933 with stock extended 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt m933 03.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 933 with SIRS handguard, Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip, and M68 Aimpoint red dot scope 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Colt Model 933 carbine is similar to the M4 carbine listed above, except with an 11.5&amp;quot; barrel as opposed to the 14.5&amp;quot; barrel on the M4. Aside from that, it has all the same features, including the removable carry handle/rear sight assembly. This has led some people (including Airsoft manufacturers) to nickname it the &amp;quot;M4 Commando&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;M4 CQB&amp;quot;, though these are not its' official designations.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Transformers]] || [[Josh Duhamel]] || Captain William Lennox || With M68 Aimpoint red dot &amp;amp; AN/PVS-17 night vision scopes, Vltor Clubfoot stock, Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, and Phantom muzzle brake || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Harsh Times]] || [[Christian Bale]] || Jim Davis || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, Surefire weaponlight, and RIS foregrip || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Romeo Must Die]] || [[DMX]] || Silk || With custom muzzle brake || 2000&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Home of the Brave]] ||  || U.S. Army soldiers ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dennis Haysbert]] || SGM Jonas &amp;quot;Snake Doctor&amp;quot; Blane || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Five Brothers&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Play 16&amp;quot; || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Scott Foley]] || SFC Bobby &amp;quot;Cool Breeze&amp;quot; Brown || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Five Brothers&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Play 16&amp;quot; || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Max Martini]] || MSGT Mack &amp;quot;Dirt Diver&amp;quot; Gerhardt || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Five Brothers&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Play 16&amp;quot; || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Michael Irby]] || SFC Charles &amp;quot;Betty Blue&amp;quot; Grey || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / &amp;quot;Five Brothers&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Play 16&amp;quot; || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Passwords'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] || Promotional material only, with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[GoldenEye 007 (2010)|GoldenEye 007]] || w/ optional ACOG scope || || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|  Lewis || [[Blood+]] || With Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip and EOTech red dot sight || 2005 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| U.S. Special Forces soldiers || [[Blood+]] || With Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrips and EOTech red dot sights || 2005 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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|Dejima Refugees||[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]|| ||2004-2005&lt;br /&gt;
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|American Soldiers||[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]|| With futuristic furniture, cybernetic sights and underbarrel M203 ||2004-2005&lt;br /&gt;
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==CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4A1CQBR.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Mk. 18 Mod 0 5.56x45mm with RIS handguard]]&lt;br /&gt;
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An even shorter-barreled M4 Carbine, it has about a 10.5 inch barrel. The upper receiver, which is used on a regular M4 lower receiver, is designated CQB-R (Close Quarters Battle-Receiver), while the entire weapon system is designated as Mark 18 Mod 0 by the United States Navy. Used by Navy VBSS units, NCIS and Navy SEALs. It is another one of the weapons that fell under the 'M4 Commando' Nickname as an airsoft gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Blood Work]] || [[Jeff Daniels]] || Jasper 'Buddy' Noone || With front sight removed and C-More red dot sight || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Tropic Thunder]] |||| Flaming Dragons guerrilla || With ACOG sight || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Expendables]] ||[[Sylvester Stallone]]|| Barney &amp;quot;The Schizo&amp;quot; Ross || With EOTech sight, tactical flashlight and suppressor  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Losers]] |||| Various characters || With various accessories || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Jack Bauer || [[24 - Season 7|24]] / Season 7 &amp;quot;Episode 15 - 10:00 P.M. - 11:00 P.M.&amp;quot; || With Aimpoint M4 red dot sight, Aimpoint 3x Magnifier, Gemtech G5 suppressor, LaRue Tactical 7.0 railed handguard, Yankee Hill Mfg front &amp;amp; rear sights, DPMS Inc. 4-railed Gas Block, and Vltor Modstock || 2001 - 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Combat Arms]] || As the &amp;quot;M4A1 CQB-R&amp;quot;, with Crane stock and SOPMOD rear sight ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] || As M4 CQB-R Equipped with Various Accessories ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Angel Beats!]] || Yuri || with EOTech Holograhic sight and Beta C-Mag 100 rounds drum magazine ||2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
A civilian released carbine rifle with a 16&amp;quot; barrel, A2 upper reciever. Designed for law enforcement.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtAR-15A2GovernmentCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine with 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Fast and the Furious, The|The Fast and the Furious]] ||  || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || With M16-style stock || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Conspiracy Theory]] || [[John Schwartzman]] || Sniper || With night-vision scope, 20-round magazine, and laser pointer || 1997&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
A civilian released carbine rifle with a 16&amp;quot; barrel and a removable carry handle. By designating this rifle as an &amp;quot;A3&amp;quot;, much confusion has been made leading people to believe the M16A3 has a removable carry handle as opposed to the M16A4.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtAR-15A3TacticalCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine with 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Fast and the Furious, The|The Fast and the Furious]] ||  || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || With M16-style stock || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt Law Enforcement Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
The &amp;quot;M4A1&amp;quot; of the civilian world, this rifle has a 16&amp;quot; barrel (as opposed to the M4A1's 14.5&amp;quot;)  with step-cuts to attach a launcher such as an [[M203 grenade launcher]] and the [[Cobray 37mm Launcher]]. In films, this gun has been converted to full auto to trick viewers into believing it is an M4A1, earning it the nickname &amp;quot;M4gery&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtLawEnforcementCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[I Am Legend]] || [[Will Smith]] || Dr. Robert Neville || With ACOG scope and PentagonLight MD3R weaponlight || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Casino Royale]] ||  || Miami-Dade Police ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt 9mm Submachine Gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt-9mm--SMG.jpg‎ |thumb|500px|Colt 9mm SMG aka (''Colt Model R0635'') - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtR6450-9mmCarbine.jpg|thumb|500px|Colt 9mm Carbine aka (''AR-15A2 Sporter II carbine in 9mm'') also officially known as the ''Colt Model R6450'' - 9x19mm. This version is an R6450 barreled upper on a full auto R0635 lower for law enforcement.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Vin Diesel]] as DEA Agent Sean Vetter in ''[[A Man Apart]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chow Yun-Fat]] as John Lee and Terence Wei's men in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*An FBI Special Agent in ''[[Collateral]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Melinda Clark]] as Jessica Priest in ''[[Spawn]]'' (heavily customized with flammable chemicals canister, C-More sight, and laser sight)&lt;br /&gt;
*NSA commandos and hidden in the back seat of the GTO in ''[[XXX]]'' (fitted with Surefire M500AB fore-end weaponlight and C-More red dot sight)&lt;br /&gt;
*One of the Merovingian's henchmen in ''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*Special operations soldiers in ''[[The Siege]]'' (fitted with C-More red dot sights)&lt;br /&gt;
*Human resistance fighters in ''[[Battlefield Earth]]''&lt;br /&gt;
*F.B.I. Agent in ''[[The Peacemaker]]'' (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] || Frank Parker || [[Seven Days]] / &amp;quot;Daddy's Little Girl&amp;quot; ||  || 1998 - 2001&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Enter the Matrix]] || 9mm Carbine ||  || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mk12Mod0.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Mark 12 Mod 0 SPR with Parker &amp;amp; Hale bipod 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[28 Weeks Later]] ||  || Delta Sniper || With 30-round magazine.|| 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Live Free or Die Hard]] || [[Cyril Raffaelli]] || Rand || With silencer, brass catcher, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip, and Leupold CQ/T scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Hitman]] ||  || Sniper || With AN-PEQ-2 IR designator, silencer, and Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[America's Army]] || With bipod and optional silencer ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Ghost Recon 2]] || Incorrectly firing 6.8mm ammo ||  || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[ArmA II]] ||  ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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=Commercial Copies of the M16 Rifle series=&lt;br /&gt;
Many of the guns seen as '''Colt''' model guns aren't Colt at all, but the many various other manufacturer copies of the M16/AR-15 series of firearms.  The most common clones are the guns made by Bushmaster, PWA, Eagle Arms.  Though there are now many semiautomatic rifles made by companies like Panther DPMS and others, most of the Movie Prop houses acquired their guns before the 1990s.  So only the most common third part manufacturers will be seen.  Since it's difficult to determine which maker built the gun, for the sake of simplicity, the rifle variants in movies will be identified by the COLT model they most look like, unless there is clear evidence of a third party manufacturer.  Sometimes this is possible via DVD commentary, direct information from the Armorer, or a clear shot of the manufacturer trademarks on the gun in a screenshot.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bushmaster XM-15 Rifle Series==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bushmaster ar15 carbine.jpg|thumb|500px|right|The Bushmaster HBAR Carbine - listed in the Bushmaster Sales catalog as &amp;quot;Bushmaster 16&amp;quot; Heavy Barrel Carbine&amp;quot; - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Barry Pepper]] as Mike Norton in ''[[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Rose McGowan]] as Cherry Darling in ''[[Planet Terror]]'' (as a prosthetic  leg with grenade launcher)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rock River Arms Tactical CAR-A4 DEA Carbine==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RRA DEA.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Rock River Arms Tactical CAR-A4 Carbine 5.56x45mm with EOTech 552.A65 Holographic sights, a GG&amp;amp;G A2-style BUIS (Back Up Iron Sight), Hogue rubber pistol grip, SureFire M73 1913 Picatinny fore end rail system, and SureFire M951XM05 tactical light w/M49 mount (for M73 rail).]]&lt;br /&gt;
The standard rifle for DEA agents.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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* Used by DEA agents in the SPIKE TV series ''[[DEA]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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==LaFrance Specialties M16K==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LaFranceM16K223.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LaFrance Specialties M16K w/o Forward Assis- 5.56x45mm. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LaFranceM16K223a.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LaFrance Specialties M16K w/ Forward Assist - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Note the sight arrangement to reduce weight and restriction for confined spaces. Special order weapon system built for Law Enforcement and Government Agencies.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Escape from L.A.]] || [[Kurt Russell]] || Snake Pliskin || Used as base for [[(Escape from L.A.) - Coreburner|Coreburner]] || 1996&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Police Story 3: Supercop]] || [[Jackie Chan]] || Inspector Chan || With 90-round drum magazine || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dead Pool, The|The Dead Pool]] ||  || Mob assassin ||  || 1988&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Pink Cadillac]] ||  || Militia member ||  || 1989&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
== Bushmaster XM15 &amp;quot;V-Match&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bushmaster xm15 vmatch 20.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Bushmaster XM15 &amp;quot;V-Match&amp;quot; Note smooth handguard and absence of front sight - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mr. &amp;amp; Mrs. Smith]] ||  ||  || Seen leaning against wall || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier]] ||  || Arcadia 234 Inhabitant || With C-More red dot sight || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ronin]] ||  || Sniper || With scope || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
== Olympic Arms K23B ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Full-k23b.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Olympic Arms K23B 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Departed, The|The Departed]] ||  || SWAT officers ||  || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Righteous Kill]] || [[Robert De Niro]] || Turk ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Righteous Kill]] || [[Al Pacino]] || Rooster ||  || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;Br Clear=ALl&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Non Firing Replicas of the M16 Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
===MGC M-16 Model Gun Corp Replica Rifle===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television. The 'forward assist' on the early models like the one imaged here are bolt inserts to keep the receiver together. Modern MGC M16 replicas have improved by third parties over the years (like adding A1 flash hiders) making it more accurate to the real thing making it harder for 'Connoisseurs' to identify]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MGC16 Closeup.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan.  This is a '''closeup''' of the receiver and clearly shows how the ''''fake' forward assist''' is actually a connector with allen nut in the back.  Removal of this nut separates the upper and lower receivers.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MGC CAR-15w20RdMag.jpg|thumb|right|500px|MGC CAR-15 replica assault rifle with 20 round MGC magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MGC CAR15.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The MGC CAR-15 Assault rifle: Model Gun Corporation's XM177 offering.  Interesting enough, MGC called their replica rifle the '''CAR-15''' which was Colt's name for the civilian (non-military designation) rifle, rather than any of the names give by the U.S. Military.  This replica rifle was built on the same MGC M16 receiver, however the buttstock was pot metal, not plastic and it did not telescope.  Instead the makers of the gun split the difference and locked the non-adjustable stock into the 'half extended/half closed' position.  This feature did not enamor replica gun collectors to the weapon and it did not sell well.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Before the advent of inexpensive Airsoft guns there were precious few replica weapons that could be used in productions if they didn't want to have a live firing weapon on set, or for a stunt or if they didn't have the budget to get a real gun (and armorer).  Though the U.S. Army had a &amp;quot;rubber duck&amp;quot;, i.e. slang for the hard rubber training M16 they used, it was not readily available on demand for the movie prop houses of the 1970s and the 1980s.  Thus the metal REPLICA gun was used (those models that were actually available for purchase).  Model Gun Corporation of Japan made and built excellent quality metal replica guns between the late 1960s and the early 1980s and the most utilized one was the '''MGC M16 assault rifle'''.  They were sold in the United States by Collector's Armory, Ltd. (and should not be confused with the inferior quality zinc-pot metal replicas currently coming in from Spain). There is also the '''MGC XM177 Commando''' carbine variant (listed in the catalog as the '''CAR-15'''), which is basically the same as above but with a non-retractable stock for imitation purposes. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you've seen a movie with M16s in it, chances are you've seen many replicas of the rifle on camera.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the following, the use of a metal replica M16 was (painfully) obvious:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Private Benjamin]]'' (1980)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Apocalypse Now]]'' : mounted on the PBR boat, shot up by tracer rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Full Metal Jacket]]'' : the MGC M16 was visible being held by all soldiers who carried the M16.  Only when they were firing on screen, did it switch to a live version of the weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Hamburger Hill]]'' : used by background Airborne Soldiers during a medical Evac.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[The Spy Who Loved Me]]'' : used by the British/Russian/US Navy Sailors during the gun battle on the ''Liparus''.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Predator]]'' : Used by Dutch ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]), for a scene where his rifle is blown up by the Predator.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Commando]]'' : Used by bad guys who kidnap Matrix and hold their M16s on him.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Uncommon Valor]]'' : in any of the armory scenes or flashback scenes of soldiers not firing their M16s, the MGC M16 is evident.  Also the CAR-15 replica is heavily used by the LRRP teams in the beginning of the film.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[First Blood]]'' : the Army National Guardsmen are seen holding many MGC M16 rifles.  Only when an actor fired, did the weapon change to a real weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' : seen in the weapons hold of the pirate boat used to smuggle Rambo up river.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Hulk]]'' : when the Hulk explodes out of the ground on Powell Street in San Francisco, many of the U.S. Army Soldiers were carrying MGC-16 replica rifles (in addition to real AR15-A2 rifles).  One of the soldiers holding the fake rifle has a closeup in one of the 'split screen' shots of their reaction to the Hulk.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[The Final Countdown]]'' : used by Marines on the deck of the Nimitz in scenes where there is no firing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Barb Wire]]'' : outfitted with ill fitting 30 round magazines, A2 handguards and A1 birdcage flash hiders, held by Congressionals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Dragon Wars: D-War]]'' :  outfitted with ill fitting 30 round magazines, A2 handguards and A1 birdcage flash hiders, used by background U.S. Army troops defending Los Angeles.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by many cadets in ''[[Taps]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Ghostbusters]]'' : some of the Army National Guard soldiers near the climax can be seen with these weapons fitted with A1-style flash hiders, supplimenting real M16A1's.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer in ''[[Bandits]]'' (fitted with A2-style handguards)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Used by soldiers in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Used briefly in ''[[Red Spectacles, The|The Red Spectacles]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Matt Houston]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[The Incredible Hulk (TV Series)]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[The A-Team]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Tour of Duty]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[China Beach]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[V (TV series)]]''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[V.I.P.]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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==.22 caliber Clones of the M16 Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Armi-Jager-AP-15.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Armi-Jager AP15 rifle - .22 LR.  The AP -15 has a slab side receiver and a tiny ejection port (for the .22 brass) and a birdcage flash hider.  The AP74 has a three prong flash hider.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AdlerJagerAP74.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Adler-Jager AP74 rifle - .22 LR.  Note the sharply angled three prong flash hider and the forward assist, which differentiate it from the AP15.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Adler-Jager AP-74/Armi-Jager AP-15===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Made in Italy and imported by Mitchell Arms (during the 1970s and early 1980s), these M16 clones were chambered for .22 LR and looked very similar to the M16 or M16A1 rifles.  The dummy &amp;quot;20 round magazine&amp;quot; was a solid part of the lower receiver.  A small .22LR magazine was inserted into the bottom of the dummy magazine.  They were used sometimes in films due to budgetary reasons, since low budget films (especially in the 1970s and 80s) could pick up a .22LR M16 clone for less than a real AR-15.  There were .22LR guns imported into the U.S. with either Armi-Jager or Adler-Jager markings (but the Armi-Jager was most common), so both names are correct.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) and Roger ([[Scott H. Reiniger]]) in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (1978)]]'' (AP-74)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* American Soldiers in ''[[1968 Tunnel Rats]]'' (2009) (AP-74)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* American Soldiers in ''[[Baader Meinhof Complex, The (Der Baader Meinhof Komplex)]]'' (AP-74)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* NYPD ESU officer in ''[[Leon (The Professional)]]'' (AP-15 fitted with a fake grenade launcher)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Armscor M16 22===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ArmscorpM1622.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Armscor (Squires Bingham of the Philippines) M16 22 rifle - .22 LR.  Sometimes sold as the ''M-1600'']]&lt;br /&gt;
Armscor (out of the Philippines) made another .22LR clone rifle, the Armscor M16 22, however this rifle looked even less like a real M16 and was rarely (if ever) used in a film to impersonate an M16 rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Cuban rebels in [[Miami Vice - Season 3]] episode -&amp;quot;Cuba Libre&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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=See Also=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Armalite AR-10]] - Firearm from which the M16 is derived.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Knight's Armament SR-25]] - Firearm that uses the AR-10 (and by extension the M16) as the base of its' design, sometimes mistaken for the Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK rifle series|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416]] - Firearm derived from the M4.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Barrett REC7|Barrett REC7 &amp;amp; Barrett M468]] - Firearms derived from the M16 series in 6.8x43mm Remington SPC.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[LWRC SRT rifle series]] -Firearms derived from AR-15.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Sniper Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Submachine Gun]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Talk:FlashForward</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:FlashForward&amp;diff=372286"/>
		<updated>2010-12-30T18:29:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;WhatARandomer: /* Possible M16A4 And question? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Two Pages==&lt;br /&gt;
There are two FlashForward pages. This one has the correct title spelling. But the other with the lower case spelling was started first.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Funny==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not gun related I just found it jokes that Seth MacFarlane (creator of family guy) was on this show for like, 5 minutes.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 04:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible M16A4 And question?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the second episode, Titled; White To Play, where Charlie (Marks Daughter) runs into the Military Blockade one soldier where it cuts into a side view seems to be wielding either an M16A4 With Rail Gaurds or an M4A1 with Rail gaurds. Mind i have just been looking at it again and it could be an, A2, A3 or an A4 judging by the scene outside of the Hospital. And ive just picked up the Box Set of the series on Sale and I can take fresh Pictures to replace the slightly Grainy ones if anyone wishes. [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 18:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>WhatARandomer</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Talk:FlashForward</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:FlashForward&amp;diff=372283"/>
		<updated>2010-12-30T18:26:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;WhatARandomer: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Two Pages==&lt;br /&gt;
There are two FlashForward pages. This one has the correct title spelling. But the other with the lower case spelling was started first.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Funny==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not gun related I just found it jokes that Seth MacFarlane (creator of family guy) was on this show for like, 5 minutes.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 04:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Possible M16A4 And question?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the second episode, Titled; White To Play, where Charlie (Marks Daughter) runs into the Military Blockade one soldier where it cuts into a side view seems to be wielding either an M16A4 With Rail Gaurds or an M4A1 with Rail gaurds, and ive just picked up the Box Set of the series on Sale and I can take fresh Pictures to replace the slightly Grainy ones if anyone wishes. [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 18:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Medal_of_Honor_(2010)&amp;diff=321571</id>
		<title>Talk:Medal of Honor (2010)</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-31T08:05:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;WhatARandomer: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
New article reviled.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
SF has a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
Ranger has the M9.&lt;br /&gt;
And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I prefer it to have ALL weapons listed its interesting and gives more content.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==beta release date?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/medalofhonor&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/pottan&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==weapon balance==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
:: 3-burst is for nubs that can't cut it by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is it that people immediatly assume a HK 416 or a HK 417 when it comes to this kind of thing? People apparently have never heard of a AR 10 before.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
: No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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We care! Unrealistic video games do not bother us, but a video game that is suppose to be realistic and ends up not being realistic does bother us. This is IMFDB, we are suppose to judge how realistic weapons are in media. The SkinnyWhiteGuy from the RE: Extinction discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Granted there are lots of Type 56 rifles in the middle east because of the CIA, but this gun just isn't.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It gets worse than that on this side of the water; the British Defence Secretary has called for the game to be '''banned'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''JESUS''' Didnt you play as insurgent in MW ? Didnt you control nazi plane in all those WW flying simulators ? They are crazy. Right now, im glad that politicans are stupid in my country. Seriously, they dont even know about some MoH.&lt;br /&gt;
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^^ No kidding? Same with the Nazis, and yet it's perfectly ok to play as them. There's nothing I hate more than double fucking standards. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;I am disgusted and angry. It's hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game. I would urge retailers to show their support for our armed forces and ban this tasteless product.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
Let's get something straight here. I have played as Russian Spetsnaz, killing American and British soldiers. I have played as Japanese soldiers, killing American infantry. I have played as THE NAZIS, for god's sake, who not only killed Americans and British soldiers but also took part in the wholesale slaughter of the Jewish people. I have played as a Russian terrorist and mowed down an AIRPORT full of defenseless people, I have played as a drug dealing criminal with the option to kill innocents, a hitman with the option to brutally kill my targets, and yet if I get the option to play as a bunch of fucking towelheads, the game is an affront to humanity and needs to be BANNED? People need to wake the fuck up. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is beginning to smack of controversy for controversy's sake. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CONFIRMED new Weapons? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I got two screens, one confirming weapon customization (Thankgod maybe no Gl's on all assault rifles :'] ) and one of the F2000 WITH Correct Grenade Launcher fitting (Removed handgaurd for placement)&lt;br /&gt;
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I recall someone mentioning that the axe was the Taliban's equivalent of the knife for multiplayer. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, the dirks use a hachet instead of a knife in the beta, kinda funny. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm could be, but I think Grenades on the killfeed appear as either GRENADE or an explosion/grenade symbol, ill rewatch the video(s) and look for any indication that HG is something other than a Hand Grenade [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 12:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Updated the page with weapons seen in the new MP trailer. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games in Steven Speilberg category?==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we put all of the MoH games into the Steven Speilberg category as he's the creator of the series? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 23:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well are there any credits for Speilberg having a hand in THIS Medal of Honor game? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wikipedia just says that he's the creator of the series, not a designer of the series. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure, but did he have a hand in this one? Just because he created the series, doesn't mean he's been behind the entire series up to now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Graphical Engine for the game==&lt;br /&gt;
I was watching a video on Medal of Honor and it stated that the single-player campaign is using the Unreal 3 Engine and the multiplayer will be using the Frostbite Engine (made famous by Bad Company). Just thought you guys would like to know! [[User:SeanWolf]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't make sense. Why make the singleplayer with one engine and use a completely different engine for multiplayer? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:21, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Old news, buddy. Maybe you should change your username to SeanSlowpoke. I keed, but not much.-protoAuthor 02:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hey dont blame me..i just found out about that when i was watching a video about the game. Plus, i usually dont hear about video game news until the day after, so yeah. But still, yeah it doesnt make sense to use two different graphical engines for the game but who knows... [[User:SeanWolf]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The reason for this is EA: LA are incharge of Singleplayer, and DICE are incharge of multiplayer, both using engines they're familiar with. [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 08:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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SF has a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I prefer it to have ALL weapons listed its interesting and gives more content.&lt;br /&gt;
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==beta release date?==&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretend it's the .40 too&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not a simulator. They needed to differentiate gun's performance. Besides, most people playing it doesn't know shit which caliber it shoots. So probably it's better to just get over it. Try playing hardcore mode and weapon damage won't bother you so much.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==First Part==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I've always had a soft spot with this series. I really hope they knock it out of the park with this one. &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Was the Mark 14 EBR even fielded yet in 2002? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pump-action shotgun I couldn't identify (they only showed it from the back)&lt;br /&gt;
*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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RPK-Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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RPG 7-In-game footage&lt;br /&gt;
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AT-4 (I think by the ingame footage)&lt;br /&gt;
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M249 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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TT-30 Seen ingame&lt;br /&gt;
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MP7A1 This one was very hard to see (Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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870MCS Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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== List ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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MP-443 (NOTE: Appears as the Tariq, which I thought that was an Iraqi-made Beretta clone...)&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wont it make sence to make two sections ? One with MP´s guns and one with SP´s guns. I think it will - because they dont use same engine, so guns can be different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: It '''USES''' different engines. MP is running on frostbite, and SP is running on UT3 one.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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more ammo?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely nothing. You have 2 spare 150 round mags (in the beta, with the PK).&lt;br /&gt;
::You have self-destruct vest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:C4&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You got a point there.&lt;br /&gt;
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Spec Ops: the Line is a third person shooter, not an FPS.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, my bad. I thought it was one of those deals like Fallout 3 where you could switch from first-to-third-person and back -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this is off-topic, but am I the only one bothered by the way your character moves? If a gun is bouncing around in your hands while you move like that, there's gotta be something wrong...&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
:: 3-burst is for nubs that can't cut it by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/7/76/20080716042205!C7A1_with_IronSights.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/1009334.page&lt;br /&gt;
Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys might want to check this out: On YouTube, there's someone by the name of deluxe345 who has Hi-Definition videos from the Medal of Honor multiplayer (there are 3 or 4). Also, in one of these videos, I spotted an M224 mortar in the killfeed.&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clip/Magazine==&lt;br /&gt;
A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could it be the 417 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is it that people immediatly assume a HK 416 or a HK 417 when it comes to this kind of thing? People apparently have never heard of a AR 10 before.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
: No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much more realistic''' ('' Cmon, Russians with tavors and milita with tactical AK´s ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Better Gameplay''' ( ''It probably wont be just about shooting thousands of enemy troops. Also helicopter. Probably even some AI will be included ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Heavily looking forward to SP. MP might as well be called &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Bad Company 8&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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We care! Unrealistic video games do not bother us, but a video game that is suppose to be realistic and ends up not being realistic does bother us. This is IMFDB, we are suppose to judge how realistic weapons are in media. The SkinnyWhiteGuy from the RE: Extinction discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh, wait, what ?&lt;br /&gt;
::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Speaking of Soviet-bloc weapons, whoever labeled the AK-47 as a &amp;quot;Type 56&amp;quot; may want to check the picture where the player is looking down the sights (Hint: the front sight is not fully enclosed)&lt;br /&gt;
: I just renamed SVD. Type 56 is someone else´s job. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Granted there are lots of Type 56 rifles in the middle east because of the CIA, but this gun just isn't.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ugh...==&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38740099/ns/technology_and_science-games/&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It gets worse than that on this side of the water; the British Defence Secretary has called for the game to be '''banned'''.&lt;br /&gt;
[http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100822/ttc-fox-urges-ban-on-taliban-video-game-e1d36ba.html Seriously.]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''JESUS''' Didnt you play as insurgent in MW ? Didnt you control nazi plane in all those WW flying simulators ? They are crazy. Right now, im glad that politicans are stupid in my country. Seriously, they dont even know about some MoH.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban. At the hands of the Taliban, children have lost fathers and wives have lost husbands.&lt;br /&gt;
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^^ No kidding? Same with the Nazis, and yet it's perfectly ok to play as them. There's nothing I hate more than double fucking standards. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;I am disgusted and angry. It's hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game. I would urge retailers to show their support for our armed forces and ban this tasteless product.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
Let's get something straight here. I have played as Russian Spetsnaz, killing American and British soldiers. I have played as Japanese soldiers, killing American infantry. I have played as THE NAZIS, for god's sake, who not only killed Americans and British soldiers but also took part in the wholesale slaughter of the Jewish people. I have played as a Russian terrorist and mowed down an AIRPORT full of defenseless people, I have played as a drug dealing criminal with the option to kill innocents, a hitman with the option to brutally kill my targets, and yet if I get the option to play as a bunch of fucking towelheads, the game is an affront to humanity and needs to be BANNED? People need to wake the fuck up. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is beginning to smack of controversy for controversy's sake. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CONFIRMED new Weapons? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This Gameplay is from Gamescom 2010. This footage confirms the F2000 , the P90 , And others (pleae watch the killfeed, VERY Closely to see the names&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.gamepro.com/video/gameplay/146685/medal-of-honor-gc2010-cam-gameplay/&lt;br /&gt;
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I got two screens, one confirming weapon customization (Thankgod maybe no Gl's on all assault rifles :'] ) and one of the F2000 WITH Correct Grenade Launcher fitting (Removed handgaurd for placement)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://i33.tinypic.com/359zs06.png&lt;br /&gt;
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In the killfeed, there is two weapons tht are unknown to most people one is called Axe (whether we get Custom Melee weapons is uncertain) and the other is HG No full name just an abbrieviation of HG.&lt;br /&gt;
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I recall someone mentioning that the axe was the Taliban's equivalent of the knife for multiplayer. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, the dirks use a hachet instead of a knife in the beta, kinda funny. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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HG could be short for hand granade&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm could be, but I think Grenades on the killfeed appear as either GRENADE or an explosion/grenade symbol, ill rewatch the video(s) and look for any indication that HG is something other than a Hand Grenade [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 12:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Updated the page with weapons seen in the new MP trailer. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games in Steven Speilberg category?==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we put all of the MoH games into the Steven Speilberg category as he's the creator of the series? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 23:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well are there any credits for Speilberg having a hand in THIS Medal of Honor game? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wikipedia just says that he's the creator of the series, not a designer of the series. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure, but did he have a hand in this one? Just because he created the series, doesn't mean he's been behind the entire series up to now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Graphical Engine for the game==&lt;br /&gt;
I was watching a video on Medal of Honor and it stated that the single-player campaign is using the Unreal 3 Engine and the multiplayer will be using the Frostbite Engine (made famous by Bad Company). Just thought you guys would like to know! [[User:SeanWolf]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't make sense. Why make the singleplayer with one engine and use a completely different engine for multiplayer? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:21, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Old news, buddy. Maybe you should change your username to SeanSlowpoke. I keed, but not much.-protoAuthor 02:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hey dont blame me..i just found out about that when i was watching a video about the game. Plus, i usually dont hear about video game news until the day after, so yeah. But still, yeah it doesnt make sense to use two different graphical engines for the game but who knows... [[User:SeanWolf]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The reason for this is EA: LA are incharge of Singleplayer, and DICE are incharge of multiplayer, both using engines they're familiar with. [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 08:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;- Just a quick message from the creator, thanks for updating and correcting the article. It looks professional now. Thanks again.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt M4A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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''Total BS, that's got to be a M468/REC7, model design is nothing close to an M4A1''&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi. I've looked at M468 and the REC7, and while, yes, they do bear some resemblance, there are also many differences which distinguish it to not be the weapon used in GTA IV. For example, the foregrip of the M468 is vastly different from the in-game weapon which is cylindrical, much like a stock M4, and does not have the R.I.S foregrip which features on the M468 or REC7. Another difference is that of the front sight, which is upright and fixed, found on the game's version of the weapon (again, like the M4A1) does not feature on either the M468 or REC7. Furthermore, neither the M468 or REC7 have a front sling hoop and the M468 has a shorter barrel than the game's weapon.  [[User:Chef Brian|''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#082567&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chef Brian'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'']] [[User talk:Chef Brian|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF2400&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Vrooom&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] 20:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::This gun can't be an M468 or a 416 because both those guns have flip up sights. This rifle in game has the standard front sights of an M4. It just has the carrying handle taken off and replaced with an H&amp;amp;K style rear sight. Get pics of a these guns together on one screen and you can really tell the difference. Hell, I'll do it myself&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Hk416-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BarettM468.gif|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M468 6.8 caliber.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Now comparing, seeing which one fits the one Niko is using.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M4gta.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The M4A1 Carbine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Definitely a M4A1 Carbine, The only thing that makes even an argument for it being a 416 is the absence of the carry handle and rear site.&lt;br /&gt;
Another thing is the cylindrical AR-15 foregrips (they arent rail covers) I have yet to see a 416 with a cylindrical foregrip. -[[User:AdAstra2009]]&lt;br /&gt;
I DON'T THINK SO THE 416 HAS FLIP UP SIGHTS.. ONLY THE M468 DOES. ANYWAY, ITS' SIMPLY AN M4A1 WITH CARRYING HANDLE REMOVED AND DIFFERENT SIGHT&lt;br /&gt;
:^Stop writing in all capitals please. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Parts_CA_P118M_lg.jpg|none|thumb|300px|The sight on the M4A1 in game]]&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the sight on the M4. It is not a 416.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lost and Damned Compensated Pistol ==&lt;br /&gt;
Definitely a CZ-75 style pistol,looks nothing like a BHP, besides the slide is not tall enough to be a Browning Hi-Power.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|350px|CZ-75 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM1911 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Shot from the game]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK XM320 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From the picture on the official site it looks like the grenade launcher is the XM320's predecessor the HK69. You can tell from where the stock connects to the frame. But we shall see when the game is released if the breach opens to the side or top. It might be a combination gun.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lost and Damned Weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone got any new, good pictures of the new weapons from the Lost and Damned? If you have any, post them.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
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It would actually make sense that the regular pistol in the game was a Glock 22. As someone pointed out, the CZ-75, a 9mm pistol, isn't as powerful as the Glock. In addition, we should call it a Glock 22 based on appearance, not specifications. For instance, previous GTA games used a Colt 1911 as the main pistol, despite it having an unrealistic 17 round magazine. Nonetheless, it was a Colt 1911, just like this is clearly a Glock 22. Hey if you get a close up of the Glock in game it says 22 on the side making it a Glock 22.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Glock 22 '''does''' accept an optional 17 round magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just like to point out that whoever changed the Glock 22 to a Glock 17 is a dumbass and I'm changing it back. - PersonOfInterest&lt;br /&gt;
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How am I a dumb ass? I'm going to change it right back.&lt;br /&gt;
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Because you're completely ignoring established precedent. Stop being a dumbass. - PersonOfInterest&lt;br /&gt;
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Well the &amp;quot;established precedent&amp;quot; is fucked up.&lt;br /&gt;
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''Established precedent'' on this site is to identify guns by '''visual''' standards. The texture does indeed have a &amp;quot;22&amp;quot; on the slide, so therefor that's what we go by. So it's a 22, despite the 17 round mag. Please stop the flaming, PersonOfInterest. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The great irony of all this is that the NYPD actually uses the Glock 19. Isn't life funny sometimes? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==AK-47==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could someone get a good screenshot of the AK-47 in-game and post it.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 in GTA IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
:There you go. [[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the AK-47 screenshot. It looks really good. Now, does anyone have ANY screenshots from the Lost and Damned part of the game? It'd be really cool to see some of the sawn off shotgun and the grenade launcher.  I really wanna see what the new guns look like before I download The Lost and The Damned.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone have any pictures of the Desert Eagle in gameplay?  If you have or get any, please post them.&lt;br /&gt;
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== About the Ithaca 37 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The gun in game doesnt look very much like a stakeout at all. you shouldn't base it off of some airsoft gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That's probably what the developers did.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:::Then I can say that's probably what they didn't do just as easily --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well, unless you know of another gun that looks like the in-game gun, it really IS most likely what the developers did, despite what you think. I mean, just look at the two photos. They are almost exactly the same. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
the gun is side ejecting, so it can't be an ithica. ithicas eject from the bottom.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::and so it does in a fuckton of other games so thats not really an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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== AK vs M4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, so in GTA IV you've got the AK-47 and M4A1 to choose from, but which is best? Well, the AK seems to have more power, which makes sense, and the M4 is more accurate, which again makes sense. But really, which is a better rifle to use overall?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think the M4 has a better rate of fire but i'm not sure.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Thanks to whoever got those kick-ass screenshots of the snipers and desert eagle and the Micro-Uzi.  Those shots are pretty damn awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::No problem :-) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Believe it or not, the AK-47 and the M4A1 do the same damage in SP, and the M4A1 does more in multiplayer. (I know for sure because I've seen the values) Meanwhile, the M4A1 can shoot farther than the AK, which is obviously inaccurate. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Inaccurate?! you say a 5.56 mm with AR mechanic has a shorter engage range then a russian-made weapon intended to mass-production? the M4 shoots circa 600 meters in real life, and it's a carbine. The M16 hits 800. the ak doesn't hit anything over 150 meters. anyway, I saw values too, and they say are identical, but they're not. The AK has a bit more stopping power, and the M4 is more accurate, has lighter recoil and more action range.&lt;br /&gt;
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==WTF?==&lt;br /&gt;
:I can't seem to get a copy of this game that doesn't freeze up sometimes. I've tried 5 different copies on 2 different 360's and they all froze at some point. I even went and tracked down a brand new copy and it still froze. I'm getting sick and tired of having to do missions over because the freezes before I can save-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hm. I know there were freezing issues around the launch of the PS3 version due to network load problems, but those were cleared up. Is it possible both the 360s were having disc or hard drive issues? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nope. one was a brand new Elite and the other one was in good condition-S&amp;amp;Wshooter&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3===&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the screenshots from the beta version of the game depict Niko holding a [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3]] with it's stock extended. However, this weapon was removed from the final version of the game, and replaced by the [[MP5#Special_Weapons_MP-10_and_SP-10|MP-10]] .&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with &amp;quot;tropical&amp;quot; (wide) forearm - 9x19mm with stock extended]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::MP5A3 should be removed -it is not a &amp;quot;non player weapon&amp;quot; it is a weapon that is not even in the game so it is irrelevant. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree. These weapons aren't counted in any of the other GTA games, so why should we start here? I also think putting in the other weapons that are only in the artwork is irrelevant as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gay Tony weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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ok just a complete list for people not looking at the main page for some reason? (feel free to correct it)&lt;br /&gt;
.44 AMT AUTOMAG&lt;br /&gt;
auto assault 12 shotgun (explosive rounds avalible too that are unrealistic)&lt;br /&gt;
FN P90 with suppressor&lt;br /&gt;
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How are exploding shotgun shells unrealistic? the company that makes the AA12 makes them, they're called FRAG12 rounds.&lt;br /&gt;
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ok let me clear that up their realistic but in game their not i mean its makes a dent the size of a person in the side door of a taxi but the taxi is relatively undamaged including the occupant and the explosions are litarly explosions about 4 ft in diameter&lt;br /&gt;
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That sounds so awesome! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Trust me... it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its is but just when noting it on this site i mean its unrealistic&lt;br /&gt;
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In TBoGT, Green shells indicate explosive rounds, red are standard. And dispite what the article says, the &amp;quot;Advanced Sniper&amp;quot; does not fire explosive round - Primevil&lt;br /&gt;
:No, you're right, it doesn't. If that hasn't yet been removed, I'll do so now. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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My mistake. It does in fact fire explosive rounds, but they are only available in muliplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually you can obtain exploding Sniper rounds but only Via cheat codes and here it is, courtesy of www.gta4.net&lt;br /&gt;
Explosive Sniper (NEW!)&lt;br /&gt;
Makes the sniper rifles fire explosive rounds. 	486-555-2526 (TBOGT ONLY)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gay Tony FN P90 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is the P90 in The Ballad of Gay Tony a FN PS90 converted to full-auto?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't think so. The barrel on the PS90 is longer and thinner than the one in the game. My guess is it's a suppressor, but we won't find out until the game is released. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]]&lt;br /&gt;
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yea its a suppressor more of a &amp;quot;thock&amp;quot; sound than anything -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a supressor, and it is not removeable, contrarey to the article - Primevil&lt;br /&gt;
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== old gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
what i don't understand is why the armourers or people who decide what guns go on the game chose such an out of date pistol. the AMC Automag had stopped prodution ages before the new millenium so why decide to put it in a modern day game, the gun would have been more appropriate for GTA Vice city or Vc Stories since they were set in the mid 80's.&lt;br /&gt;
:It's because the Automag looks like it could take a man's head off even if you miss-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 23:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, I pride myself on trying to be clever, but I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better response than that. -protoAuthor 00:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah the old adage of &amp;quot;I'm not a good shot but this shoots REALLY big bullets&amp;quot; (courtesy of Hellboy) if that were the case why not a S&amp;amp;W500? the biggest production handgun cartridge. though it only holds 5 shots which many would get angry over in a videogame.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm guessing its because the Automag just looks cool. The S&amp;amp;W 500 just looks like a regular revolver. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Because it's the gun Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 to kill hundreds. And Clint Eastwood used in one of the Dirty Harry movies to kill even more hundreds. In other words, it's a badass pistol and deserves to be in the game.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a badass scale of 1 to 10, it hits 11. Need more be said? [[User:Mcguinness]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Bronson used a Wildey in Death Wish 3, not an Automag-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 00:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Damm. I guess we now need a Wildey in this Game too so we can dual wield a Wildey and an Automag in each hand.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That would be pretty bitchin'. The Wildey is a huge pistol, even to a guy like me (when I hold a S&amp;amp;W M500 it doesn't look that big), so duel wielding would probably be a bad idea-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Old or not, this thing is unreal when shooting through windshields. Most other guns in-game (including the M4 and AK) take a few shots to punch through, but the Auto Mag can do it in one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That sounds awesome! I gotta get this game. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::For sure. The gunfights in it are unreal, one bank heist mission clearly takes influence from the shootout scene in Heat, and it's arguably just as intense. Also, in what other game can you pull off crazy shit like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ73zqDaXsk this]? --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 03:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Definite five stars on that one. And on a side note, the improved driving physics (especially with sports cars) really make a lot of difference with maneuvers like the reverse 180s you pulled off there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock issue==&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe we should go back to calling the in-game Glock  a 17 because it is described as &amp;quot;9mm&amp;quot; in the weapons shops and Little Jacob's car, plus when Johnny calls Jim (TLAD only) for a weapon, he calls the Glock a &amp;quot;9mm&amp;quot;. Now, it has been previously mentioned that it should be called a 22 due to the markings, but I think we should go by specifications. If we go by appearances, for example, that means non-Russian made AK-47s (AIMS, Type 56, MpiKM, Zastava M70, etc.) would simply be &amp;quot;AK-47s&amp;quot; as in the ones made in Izhmesh and Tula, and all AR-15 knockoffs would have to be classified as &amp;quot;M16&amp;quot;s or &amp;quot;M4&amp;quot;s rather than Bushmasters, DPMS, Diemaco C7/C8, Rock River Arms, etc. -KLR&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, well if we went on specifications, we wouldn't be able to identify half the weapons in previous GTA games. The 1911s, the M16 w/ 60 round magazines, the over and under shotgun that functions like a pump. All of these would have to be changed if we went by specifications. RockStar obviously based the Glock in the game off of a Glock 22, it is just misidentified as a 9mm. This wouldn't be the first time a weapon was incorrectly referred to in a game. It's the same issue if a revolver fires 7 rounds, when its clearly a 6-shot. It's still the same gun, the makers just screwed up a bit. So we're not going to call this a Glock 17. This issue has been argued to death on several websites. It's based off of a Glock 22, therefore thats what it is, regardless of its &amp;quot;specification&amp;quot;. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A 7 shot revolver is a bad example. I have one and it's called a S&amp;amp;W 686+P-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I mean a revolver that is clearly six rounds, like a Colt DS. Often times you'll see that it fired seven rounds in a movie, but it only holds six. This is a common error in movies, when the # of rounds fired doesn't meet the specifications. Like if the Colt DS fired seven rounds, that doesn't automatically mean its a S&amp;amp;W 686+P. See what I'm saying? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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on one of the trailers of the lost &amp;amp; damned called meet the gang, find the video on youtube and if u pause at 0:17 theres a spas 12 look alike with an m4 buttstock. probably a removed weapon like the mp5a3 and being replaced by the sawn-off or street sweeper.&lt;br /&gt;
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its not removed, its also just not a new weapon. its the regular semi auto shotgun with a new stock.&lt;br /&gt;
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yea in my version all the &amp;quot;combat&amp;quot; shotguns in the vans and stores are the old ones but the one from the cheat codes are ones with an m4 stock. oh and its a mossenberg 590 not a spas -scarecrow&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a Remington 1100 i believe, but it can also be found in certain places with the M4 stock. Only while Playing Lost and Damned though.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's like that shotgun that Switek had in Miami Vice (the movie), it can be obtained in TLAD with the advanced gun cheat (486-555-0100)&lt;br /&gt;
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No its the semi auto from the regular game with a different stock.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Names==&lt;br /&gt;
The names they've chosen for the new weapons crack me up, they're generic to the point of nonsense. &amp;quot;''Assault'' SMG&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;''Advanced'' MG&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;''Advanced'' Sniper&amp;quot;...&lt;br /&gt;
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There is only one machine gun, so why did they feel the need to add 'advanced' to the name? And it irritates me how people, gamers usually, refer to sniper rifles simply as &amp;quot;''snipers''&amp;quot;, it's like saying &amp;quot;drivers&amp;quot; when you mean &amp;quot;vehicles&amp;quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/219.90.213.180|219.90.213.180]] 10:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Behind Enemy Lines movie reference==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anyone else notice that in the very begginning of the game, Nikko looks and dresses like the Serbian sniper who tries to kill Owen Wilson in ''Behind Enemy Lines''?  Nikko is also Serbian.- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
:Never noticed, but you're right. They are similar in appearance. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c257/lostering/untitled10.jpg You're not the only one who noticed]. You can also buy a blue track top from the Russian shop that looks almost identical to the one worn by the sniper in that picture. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Awesome page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I júst want to say that the images look so cool,they make me think about a computer animated movie.Seriously,if you know anyone who hasnt heard about GTA ever,show him/her this article and ask if its a videogame or animated movie or else.Really,nice job on the pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Remington 1100 / 11-87 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The long barrel, long magazine tube, and the thing along the top of the barrel (I don't know what that's called) all jump out at you and scream &amp;quot;Remington 1100 TAC4&amp;quot;. Those are very specific features of a very specific model. To say it's an 11-87 because of the length of the forearm and nothing else ignores A: the features that are only on the 1100 TAC4 and not on any other model, and B: the forearm doesn't even look like a proper Remington forearm. Thoughts? [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]] 1:53 PM, 2 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Shotguns aren't my specialty but I believe that thing on top of the barrel is called a &amp;quot;heat shield&amp;quot;, that is you are refering to something on the barrel like that of the old Winchester Trench Gun. Am I right? --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 14:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's not a heat shield. A heat shield is perforated sheet metal wrapped around the barrel. The thing I'm talking about, I can't remember what it's called, but it's function is to provide rigidity to the barrel. Revolvers have them too. - PersonOfInterest&lt;br /&gt;
:Ribbing? I agree it's a TAC4, this image matches it best. http://img22.imageshack.us/i/1100006.jpg/ - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Is that some kind of 12 gauge stripper clip? - [[User:PersonOfInterest|PersonOfInterest]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==DLC is no longer XBOX360 Exclusive==&lt;br /&gt;
As title says, someone need to delete &amp;quot;Xbox360 exclusive&amp;quot; from line &amp;quot;Xbox 360 Exclusive Downloadable Content&amp;quot;. I would do that if I could, but without account I can't.&lt;br /&gt;
:Done. Thanks for taking the time to mention it. :) --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 16:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==AR-15?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else notice that the &amp;quot;M4A1&amp;quot; in the game seems to have a barrel longer than 14.5 in., and that it &amp;quot;steps up&amp;quot; instead of stepping down?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==beta release date?==&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/medalofhonor&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretend it's the .40 too&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not a simulator. They needed to differentiate gun's performance. Besides, most people playing it doesn't know shit which caliber it shoots. So probably it's better to just get over it. Try playing hardcore mode and weapon damage won't bother you so much.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I added a screen of the M4A1 and the Minimi/SAw possibilty.  --[[User:TheCrazyGunNut|TheCrazyGunNut]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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North American release date is October 12, 2010. Europe is October 15.-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
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All along the trailer are M4s with optics and different accessories. -DeltaOp&lt;br /&gt;
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- Nope. EBR was designed around that date - 2001/2002 but first units (mostly from Navy Seals) were issued this rifle later on in 2004. So it's probably another game inaccuracy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wont it make sence to make two sections ? One with MP´s guns and one with SP´s guns. I think it will - because they dont use same engine, so guns can be different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys might want to check this out: On YouTube, there's someone by the name of deluxe345 who has Hi-Definition videos from the Medal of Honor multiplayer (there are 3 or 4). Also, in one of these videos, I spotted an M224 mortar in the killfeed.&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clip/Magazine==&lt;br /&gt;
A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could it be the 417 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much more realistic''' ('' Cmon, Russians with tavors and milita with tactical AK´s ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Better Gameplay''' ( ''It probably wont be just about shooting thousands of enemy troops. Also helicopter. Probably even some AI will be included ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Heavily looking forward to SP. MP might as well be called &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Bad Company 8&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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We care! Unrealistic video games do not bother us, but a video game that is suppose to be realistic and ends up not being realistic does bother us. This is IMFDB, we are suppose to judge how realistic weapons are in media. The SkinnyWhiteGuy from the RE: Extinction discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh, wait, what ?&lt;br /&gt;
::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Speaking of Soviet-bloc weapons, whoever labeled the AK-47 as a &amp;quot;Type 56&amp;quot; may want to check the picture where the player is looking down the sights (Hint: the front sight is not fully enclosed)&lt;br /&gt;
: I just renamed SVD. Type 56 is someone else´s job. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ugh...==&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38740099/ns/technology_and_science-games/&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It gets worse than that on this side of the water; the British Defence Secretary has called for the game to be '''banned'''.&lt;br /&gt;
[http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100822/ttc-fox-urges-ban-on-taliban-video-game-e1d36ba.html Seriously.]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''JESUS''' Didnt you play as insurgent in MW ? Didnt you control nazi plane in all those WW flying simulators ? They are crazy. Right now, im glad that politicans are stupid in my country. Seriously, they dont even know about some MoH.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban. At the hands of the Taliban, children have lost fathers and wives have lost husbands.&lt;br /&gt;
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^^ No kidding? Same with the Nazis, and yet it's perfectly ok to play as them. There's nothing I hate more than double fucking standards. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;I am disgusted and angry. It's hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game. I would urge retailers to show their support for our armed forces and ban this tasteless product.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
Let's get something straight here. I have played as Russian Spetsnaz, killing American and British soldiers. I have played as Japanese soldiers, killing American infantry. I have played as THE NAZIS, for god's sake, who not only killed Americans and British soldiers but also took part in the wholesale slaughter of the Jewish people. I have played as a Russian terrorist and mowed down an AIRPORT full of defenseless people, I have played as a drug dealing criminal with the option to kill innocents, a hitman with the option to brutally kill my targets, and yet if I get the option to play as a bunch of fucking towelheads, the game is an affront to humanity and needs to be BANNED? People need to wake the fuck up. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is beginning to smack of controversy for controversy's sake. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CONFIRMED new Weapons? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This Gameplay is from Gamescom 2010. This footage confirms the F2000 , the P90 , And others (pleae watch the killfeed, VERY Closely to see the names&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.gamepro.com/video/gameplay/146685/medal-of-honor-gc2010-cam-gameplay/&lt;br /&gt;
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I got two screens, one confirming weapon customization (Thankgod maybe no Gl's on all assault rifles :'] ) and one of the F2000 WITH Correct Grenade Launcher fitting (Removed handgaurd for placement)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the killfeed, there is two weapons tht are unknown to most people one is called Axe (whether we get Custom Melee weapons is uncertain) and the other is HG No full name just an abbrieviation of HG.&lt;br /&gt;
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I recall someone mentioning that the axe was the Taliban's equivalent of the knife for multiplayer. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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HG could be short for hand granade&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmm could be, but I think Grenades on the killfeed appear as either GRENADE or an explosion/grenade symbol, ill rewatch the video(s) and look for any indication that HG is something other than a Hand Grenade [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 12:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;''This page is for the 2010 video game. For the first game in the franchise, see [[Medal of Honor (1999)]].''&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Medal of Honor'':''' &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Medal of Honor 2010 cover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Medal of Honor'' (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Pistols =&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sig P226 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is Rabbit´s signature pistol. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226, 9x19mm. ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P226MOH.JPG|thumb|none|600px|P226 in idle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beretta M9 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Beretta M9|M9]] is the standard Coalition sidearm. Has an incorrect 12 round magazine.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M9 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MOH2010-M9.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615142750.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good view of the iron sights]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010 m9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M9]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615142853.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M9 being reloaded. Notice how there are no bullets in the new magazine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Izhmash MP-443 Grach ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Yarygin PYa|MP-443]] is the standard Taliban sidarm. Also has an incorrect 12 round magazine, which is wrong no matter how you look at it. Appears as the &amp;quot;Tariq&amp;quot;, which is, in reality, an Iraqi Beretta clone.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MP-443 Grach, 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Snapshot20100615143053.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MP-443 Grach reloading]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP7A1|MP7A1]] is an unlockable weapon for Spec Ops troopers regardless of their faction. Seen with the stock extended and foregrip down, but oddly uses the pistol sights. Its attachments are an EOTech or ACOG regardless of their faction as well. There is a glitch were using Open-Tipped (Hollowpoint) Ammo causes the gun to have 30 rounds instead of the correct 40.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MP7_40rdmag.jpg|350px|thumb|none|MP7A1 - 4.6x30mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_mp7a1.jpg|400px|thumb|none|MP7A1 seen in the &amp;quot;Limited Edition&amp;quot; trailer with silencer and ACOG sight while reloading.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_mp7a1_acog.jpg|400px|thumb|none|The same MP7A1 looks through the ACOG sight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Assault Rifles =&lt;br /&gt;
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== FN F2000 Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[FN F2000]] Can be seen in a multiplayer gameplay video, with attatched grenade launcher, from GamesCom 2010 in Germany.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|350px|thumb|none|FN F2000 Tactical 5.56x45mm NATO , without Grenade Launcher]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Medal_of_Honor_2010_-_F2000_with_Grenade_Launcher.png|350px|thumb|none| FN F2000 Tactical, shown in killed by screen.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[G3]] Can be seen in hands of insurgents in brand new &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G3A4.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch G3A4 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:MOHG3.JPG|350px|thumb|none|G3A4 in hands of insurgent soldier.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M16 rifle series|M16A4]] appears in the recently released multiplayer trailer, incorrectly firing on full-automatic. Standard weapon for Coalition Riflemen in multiplayer. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[image:Snapshot20100615122624.jpg|600px|thumb|none|M16 with EOTech and M203.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615123458.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Same configuration as above. Note the lack of the left rail cover.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colt M4A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] looks like it will be the main weapon for the Tier 1 Operators in the game. They appear to be fitted with suppressors, RIS foregrips, and EOTech red dot sights. Rangers were seen with these as their primary weapons.  In multiplayer, the M4A1 is the standard weapon for the Coalition Special Ops class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint red do scope 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010 m4 menue.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4(A1) in Menu]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mohm4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M4A1 being wielded by a U.S. Ranger.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MOH2010 002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Tier 1 operator with an M4A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Medalofhonorm4.JPG|600px|thumb|none|The M4A1 with EOTech and night vision mode.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_m4a1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Same as above, but also with U.S. Rangers wielded with the M4A1 seen in the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer. Note: Front iron sight and a little bit more details.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4MOH.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Some nice detail on M4 in US Ranger's hands.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4_RELOADINGMOH.JPG|thumb|none|600px|M4 being reloaded.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== AK-47 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[AK-47]], will be seen, as in most modern war video games, in the hands of the enemy of the Tier 1 Operators.  It is very briefly seen twice in the world premiere trailer. Standard weapon for Taliban Riflemen in multiplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Final Production version of the III AK-47 with laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_akm_menue.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK-47 in Menu, note the Stamped Receiver.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:4A7K.JPG|thumb|none|600px|AKM (?) being dropped by backstabbed terrorist.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_ak47.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK-47 in the hands of a taliban, before being backstabbed by a Tier 1 operator.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010_akm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK-47 in first person]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Kalashnikov AKS-74U/PA md. 86 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The compact carbine version of the [[AK-74]] can be seen in the MP trailer with the the foregrip of an [[AK-74#AIM/AIMS-74|PA md. 86]].  Standard weapon for the Taliban Special Ops class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MOH2010-AKS74U.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615123618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKS-74U with a Kobra reflex sight in the MP trailer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615123707.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reflex sight view.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615143028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKS-74U being reloaded.  Note the AK style built in vert-grip.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615143040.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKS-74U with an unidentified combat sight. Note the AN/PEQ-2 zip-tied to the front handguard.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615143045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Combat sight view.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mk. 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A Ranger was seen with this [[M14 Rifle#Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR|M14 EBR]] in the new trailer &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot;. Given that the M21 is in the Sniper class, it is likely this will be in the Rifleman class, probably on full auto. It's Taliban equivalent will probably be something along the lines of a G3, though there's no evidence of this yet.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 14 Mod 1 - 7.62x51 NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MoHM14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MoHM14EBR2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MK14MOH.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Machine Guns =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mk. 46 Mod 0 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN Minimi#Mk 46 Mod 0|Mk. 46 Mod 0]] is seen with an Eotech sight. It appears as the M249. Alternate unlockable weapon for the Coalition Rifleman class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mk46.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mk 46 Mod 0 - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MOH2010-M249.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M48.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Mk 46 in draw.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LOLWUTOMG.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Mk 46 in idle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MoHMWmk46.JPG|thumb|none|600px|This one with ACOG seen in the &amp;quot;Send me a Message&amp;quot; trailer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615143341.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mk 46 Mod 0 with EOTech seen in multiplayer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Kalashnikov PKM ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[PKM]] can be seen in the extended trailer mounted on a technical. Alternate unlockable weapon for the Taliban Rifleman class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HungarianPKM.jpg|thumb|450px|none|PKM - 7.62x54mm R]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PYKAEM.JPG|thumb|400px|none|PKM on technnical]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010 mpk icon.jpg|thumb|400px|none|???]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Kalashnikov RPK ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[RPK|Kalashnikov RPK]] has been seen in multiplayer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Moh2010_rpk.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A discarded RPK sitting on a box in MP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== FN M240 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[FN_MAG|M240]] has been seen on the killfeed and in 'The Catalyst' trailer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M240-1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M240B 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_m240.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M240B seen in the new trailer mounted on helicopter. Note: It has a spade grip alongside with a pistol grip.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== M60E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M60E3]] has also been seen on the killfeed and in the Limited Edition trailer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M60E3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh_m60e3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M60E3 fired by a Tier 1 operator in the &amp;quot;Limited Edition&amp;quot; trailer.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Remington 870 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington 870|870 MCS]] is an alternate unlockable weapon for the Coalition Special Ops class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington_870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Remington 870 MCS - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MOH2010-M870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Snapshot20100615143456.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the EOTech sight.  This is the reflex sight of choice for the Coalition.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Tula Arms TOZ-194 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[TOZ-194]] is an alternate unlockable weapon for the Taliban Special Ops class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Toz194.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TOZ-194 - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Moh2010 toz-194 menue.jpg|thumb|600px|none|TOZ-194 in MP menu]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Moh2010 toz ego.jpg|thumb|600px|none|TOZ-194 in game with Kobra reflex sight]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Sniper Rifles =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== M21 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M21]] is the standard weapon for Coalition Snipers. Its has 10 rounds despite being modelled with a 20 round mag, though this is to balance it with the SVD.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M21 m1a.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M21 Designated Marksman Rifle 7.62x51mm NATO with Harris bipod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010 m21 menue.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M21 in the Menu.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MoHM21.JPG|thumb|none|600px|M21 with EOTech holographic sight.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Norinco NDM-86 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The .308 Winchester variant of the [[SVD|NDM-86]] appears as the SVD.  It is the standard weapon for Taliban Snipers.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ndm86.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco NDM-86, .308 Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010 svd icon.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Moh2010 dragunov.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== M24 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Remington Model 700|M24]] is available as an unlock for Coalition Snipers.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M24.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M24 - 7.62x51mm NATO, .308 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Izhmash SV-98 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[SV-98]] is available as an unlock for Taliban Snipers. Incorrectly has a 5 round magazine to balance it with the M24.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SV-98, 7.62x54R/7.62x51mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615142335.jpg|thumb|600px|none|SV-98 in game]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Heavy Weapons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Degtyarev Kord ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Kord heavy machine gun|Kord]] is used by the Taliban as an emplaced weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Kord_02.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kord - 12.7x108mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Launchers =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Saab M136 AT4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M136 AT4]] is the default special weapon for the Coalition Special Ops class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M136 AT4, 84mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Snapshot20100615143602.jpg|thumb|600px|none|AT4]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Bazalt RPG-7 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[RPG-7]] is the default special weapon for the Taliban Special Ops class.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7, 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Snapshot20100615123916.jpg|thumb|600px|none|RPG-7]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Colt M203 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[M203]] is mounted on the M16.&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:M203.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M203 - 40mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== KBP GP-25 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[GP-30|GP-25]] is mounted on the Type 56.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Moh2010_gp30_ego.jpg|thumb|600px|none|GP-30 reloading]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Explosives =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== C4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Standard special weapon for Coalition Snipers.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Improvised Explosive Device ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Standard special weapon for Taliban Snipers. It is made of two mortars taped together with a cellphone and is detonated via a another cellphone.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615123509.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Player character activating an IED with his cell phone.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Snapshot20100615123514.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Fire in the hole!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Game]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:War]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:First-Person Shooter]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Medal of Honor]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>WhatARandomer</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>FN F2000</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-21T12:08:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;WhatARandomer: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''The Fabrique Nationale F2000 bullpup rifle and variants can be seen in the following films, television series, and video games used by the following actors:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== FN F2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
Standard version with integrated 1.6x magnification optics.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:F2000.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|FN F2000 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|FN F2000, 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]], 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield: Bad Company]] |||| Available with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]] || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Splinter Cell]] ||SC-20K|| Available with silencer and [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]]|| 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Splinter Cell: Double Agent]] ||SC-20K|| Available with silencer and [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]]|| 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow]] ||SC-20K|| Available with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]]|| 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2]] ||SC-20K|| w/variety of accessories || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] ||FT 200M|| Available with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]] || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] |||| Available with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]] &amp;amp; Flashbang grenade]|| 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hitman: Blood Money]] |||||| 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] ||Navigator|| || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Tom Clancy's EndWar]] ||E3000 carbine|||| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Anime ===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Innocent Venus]]||Japanese Military||Available with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]]  ||2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Toaru Majutsu no Index]] ||  || Available with [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]]  ||2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Golgo 13]] || Savine Brothers || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== FN F2000 Tactical ==&lt;br /&gt;
Flat-top version without integrated optics.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|thumb|right|500px|FN F2000 Tactical with folding foregrip 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;50&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Hitman]]||  || Interpol operative || with EOTech red dot sight || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra]]|| [[Channing Tatum]] || Duke ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra]]|| [[Marlon Wayans]] || Ripcord ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Gamer]]|||| Slayers ||  || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Expendables]]|| [[Sylvester Stallone]] || Barney Ross || with EOTech red dot sight, flashlight and laser pointer || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
IIron Man 2         War Machine&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Television ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dennis Haysbert]] || Sgt. Major Jonas Blane || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / Extreme Rendition  || Fitted with scope || 2006 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Video Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Modern Warfare 2]]||||w/ underbarrel shotgun and/or [[M203]] grenade launcher||2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Splinter Cell Chaos Theory]] ||SC-20K|||| 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]] ||SC3000||w/ flashlight|| 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[MAG]] ||ATAC 2000|| ||  2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] |||| w/ [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]] and various optics || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Medal of Honor (2010)]] |||| w/ [[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]] and various accessories || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== FN FS2000 ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Fnfs2000_1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|FN FS2000 flat-top version 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
Civilian, semi-auto version of FN F2000, available in original or flat-top versions with or without integrated optics. It is different from military F2000 by its longer barrel, no bayonet attachement, and a different flash hider.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Film ===&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Medal of Honor (2010)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;WhatARandomer: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
New article reviled.&lt;br /&gt;
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SF has a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
Ranger has the M9.&lt;br /&gt;
And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==beta release date?==&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/medalofhonor&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretend it's the .40 too&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not a simulator. They needed to differentiate gun's performance. Besides, most people playing it doesn't know shit which caliber it shoots. So probably it's better to just get over it. Try playing hardcore mode and weapon damage won't bother you so much.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==First Part==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I've always had a soft spot with this series. I really hope they knock it out of the park with this one. &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I added a screen of the M4A1 and the Minimi/SAw possibilty.  --[[User:TheCrazyGunNut|TheCrazyGunNut]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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North American release date is October 12, 2010. Europe is October 15.-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
At O:43 you can see what I believe to be some kind of M240.*EDIT: Mk 46 Mod 0* &lt;br /&gt;
All along the trailer are M4s with optics and different accessories. -DeltaOp&lt;br /&gt;
:Was the Mark 14 EBR even fielded yet in 2002? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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- Nope. EBR was designed around that date - 2001/2002 but first units (mostly from Navy Seals) were issued this rifle later on in 2004. So it's probably another game inaccuracy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Who is the &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
(These are just what I could spot while watching it on TV)&lt;br /&gt;
*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pump-action shotgun I couldn't identify (they only showed it from the back)&lt;br /&gt;
*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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RPG 7-In-game footage&lt;br /&gt;
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== List ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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MP-443 (NOTE: Appears as the Tariq, which I thought that was an Iraqi-made Beretta clone...)&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wont it make sence to make two sections ? One with MP´s guns and one with SP´s guns. I think it will - because they dont use same engine, so guns can be different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely nothing. You have 2 spare 150 round mags (in the beta, with the PK).&lt;br /&gt;
::You have self-destruct vest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You got a point there.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, my bad. I thought it was one of those deals like Fallout 3 where you could switch from first-to-third-person and back -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
:: 3-burst is for nubs that can't cut it by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/7/76/20080716042205!C7A1_with_IronSights.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/1009334.page&lt;br /&gt;
Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys might want to check this out: On YouTube, there's someone by the name of deluxe345 who has Hi-Definition videos from the Medal of Honor multiplayer (there are 3 or 4). Also, in one of these videos, I spotted an M224 mortar in the killfeed.&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clip/Magazine==&lt;br /&gt;
A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could it be the 417 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much more realistic''' ('' Cmon, Russians with tavors and milita with tactical AK´s ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Heavily looking forward to SP. MP might as well be called &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Bad Company 8&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh, wait, what ?&lt;br /&gt;
::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Speaking of Soviet-bloc weapons, whoever labeled the AK-47 as a &amp;quot;Type 56&amp;quot; may want to check the picture where the player is looking down the sights (Hint: the front sight is not fully enclosed)&lt;br /&gt;
: I just renamed SVD. Type 56 is someone else´s job. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ugh...==&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CONFIRMED new Weapons? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This Gameplay is from Gamescom 2010. This footage confirms the F2000 , the P90 , And others (pleae watch the killfeed, VERY Closely to see the names&lt;br /&gt;
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I got two screens, one confirming weapon customization (Thankgod maybe no Gl's on all assault rifles :'] ) and one of the F2000 WITH Correct Grenade Launcher fitting (Removed handgaurd for placement)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the killfeed, there is two weapons tht are unknown to most people one is called Axe (whether we get Custom Melee weapons is uncertain) and the other is HG No full name just an abbrieviation of HG.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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SF has a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretend it's the .40 too&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not a simulator. They needed to differentiate gun's performance. Besides, most people playing it doesn't know shit which caliber it shoots. So probably it's better to just get over it. Try playing hardcore mode and weapon damage won't bother you so much.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==First Part==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I've always had a soft spot with this series. I really hope they knock it out of the park with this one. &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Was the Mark 14 EBR even fielded yet in 2002? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Who is the &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
(These are just what I could spot while watching it on TV)&lt;br /&gt;
*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pump-action shotgun I couldn't identify (they only showed it from the back)&lt;br /&gt;
*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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RPK-Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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RPG 7-In-game footage&lt;br /&gt;
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AT-4 (I think by the ingame footage)&lt;br /&gt;
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M249 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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TT-30 Seen ingame&lt;br /&gt;
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MP7A1 This one was very hard to see (Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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M-21 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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870MCS Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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M60 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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== List ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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MP-443 (NOTE: Appears as the Tariq, which I thought that was an Iraqi-made Beretta clone...)&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wont it make sence to make two sections ? One with MP´s guns and one with SP´s guns. I think it will - because they dont use same engine, so guns can be different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: It '''USES''' different engines. MP is running on frostbite, and SP is running on UT3 one.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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more ammo?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely nothing. You have 2 spare 150 round mags (in the beta, with the PK).&lt;br /&gt;
::You have self-destruct vest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You got a point there.&lt;br /&gt;
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Spec Ops: the Line is a third person shooter, not an FPS.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, my bad. I thought it was one of those deals like Fallout 3 where you could switch from first-to-third-person and back -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this is off-topic, but am I the only one bothered by the way your character moves? If a gun is bouncing around in your hands while you move like that, there's gotta be something wrong...&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
:: 3-burst is for nubs that can't cut it by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/7/76/20080716042205!C7A1_with_IronSights.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/1009334.page&lt;br /&gt;
Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys might want to check this out: On YouTube, there's someone by the name of deluxe345 who has Hi-Definition videos from the Medal of Honor multiplayer (there are 3 or 4). Also, in one of these videos, I spotted an M224 mortar in the killfeed.&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clip/Magazine==&lt;br /&gt;
A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could it be the 417 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much more realistic''' ('' Cmon, Russians with tavors and milita with tactical AK´s ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Better Gameplay''' ( ''It probably wont be just about shooting thousands of enemy troops. Also helicopter. Probably even some AI will be included ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CONFIRMED new Weapons? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This Gameplay is from Gamescom 2010. This footage confirms the F2000 , the P90 , And others (pleae watch the killfeed, VERY Closely to see the names&lt;br /&gt;
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I got two screens, one confirming weapon customization (Thankgod maybe no Gl's on all assault rifles :'] ) and one of the F2000 WITH Correct Grenade Launcher fitting (Removed handgaurd for placement)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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SF has a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==beta release date?==&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/medalofhonor&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretend it's the .40 too&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not a simulator. They needed to differentiate gun's performance. Besides, most people playing it doesn't know shit which caliber it shoots. So probably it's better to just get over it. Try playing hardcore mode and weapon damage won't bother you so much.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==First Part==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I've always had a soft spot with this series. I really hope they knock it out of the park with this one. &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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North American release date is October 12, 2010. Europe is October 15.-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFpgNJZ8Fhc&amp;amp;playnext_from=TL&amp;amp;videos=vd-xeQ7FyHw&lt;br /&gt;
^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
At O:43 you can see what I believe to be some kind of M240.*EDIT: Mk 46 Mod 0* &lt;br /&gt;
All along the trailer are M4s with optics and different accessories. -DeltaOp&lt;br /&gt;
:Was the Mark 14 EBR even fielded yet in 2002? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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- Nope. EBR was designed around that date - 2001/2002 but first units (mostly from Navy Seals) were issued this rifle later on in 2004. So it's probably another game inaccuracy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Who is the &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
(These are just what I could spot while watching it on TV)&lt;br /&gt;
*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pump-action shotgun I couldn't identify (they only showed it from the back)&lt;br /&gt;
*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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RPK-Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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RPG 7-In-game footage&lt;br /&gt;
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AK-47-Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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AT-4 (I think by the ingame footage)&lt;br /&gt;
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M9- From ingame footage &lt;br /&gt;
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SVD Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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M249 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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TT-30 Seen ingame&lt;br /&gt;
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MP7A1 This one was very hard to see (Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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M-21 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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870MCS Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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M60 Can be seen as a weapon that killed the player on the screen (look left of gameplay)&lt;br /&gt;
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== List ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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SVD (NOTE: Has a straight .308 magazine)&lt;br /&gt;
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MP-443 (NOTE: Appears as the Tariq, which I thought that was an Iraqi-made Beretta clone...)&lt;br /&gt;
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RPK&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wont it make sence to make two sections ? One with MP´s guns and one with SP´s guns. I think it will - because they dont use same engine, so guns can be different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: It '''USES''' different engines. MP is running on frostbite, and SP is running on UT3 one.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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more ammo?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely nothing. You have 2 spare 150 round mags (in the beta, with the PK).&lt;br /&gt;
::You have self-destruct vest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:C4&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You got a point there.&lt;br /&gt;
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Spec Ops: the Line is a third person shooter, not an FPS.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, my bad. I thought it was one of those deals like Fallout 3 where you could switch from first-to-third-person and back -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this is off-topic, but am I the only one bothered by the way your character moves? If a gun is bouncing around in your hands while you move like that, there's gotta be something wrong...&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
:: 3-burst is for nubs that can't cut it by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/7/76/20080716042205!C7A1_with_IronSights.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/1009334.page&lt;br /&gt;
Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys might want to check this out: On YouTube, there's someone by the name of deluxe345 who has Hi-Definition videos from the Medal of Honor multiplayer (there are 3 or 4). Also, in one of these videos, I spotted an M224 mortar in the killfeed.&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clip/Magazine==&lt;br /&gt;
A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MOHUNKNOWNGUN.JPG|500px|thumb|center|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could it be the 417 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Heavily looking forward to SP. MP might as well be called &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Bad Company 8&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I just renamed SVD. Type 56 is someone else´s job. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible new Weapon? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the one above it looks like the insurgent behind the one in the foreground is holding either an F200 or a Steyr Aug A3&lt;br /&gt;
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Thats one of the best pictures for the possible F2000 but looking at the rest of the screens, there appears to be more weapons we havent seen before, I'll post a link to the EA Discussion, who for once actually have good ideas to what the weapons are ( Ok... yeah xD) Well they're gcoming up with good speculation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's the Link! http://www.gamersmint.com/?p=7801  &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==beta release date?==&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/medalofhonor&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretend it's the .40 too&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not a simulator. They needed to differentiate gun's performance. Besides, most people playing it doesn't know shit which caliber it shoots. So probably it's better to just get over it. Try playing hardcore mode and weapon damage won't bother you so much.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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==First Part==&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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North American release date is October 12, 2010. Europe is October 15.-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
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All along the trailer are M4s with optics and different accessories. -DeltaOp&lt;br /&gt;
:Was the Mark 14 EBR even fielded yet in 2002? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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- Nope. EBR was designed around that date - 2001/2002 but first units (mostly from Navy Seals) were issued this rifle later on in 2004. So it's probably another game inaccuracy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Who is the &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
(These are just what I could spot while watching it on TV)&lt;br /&gt;
*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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== List ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wont it make sence to make two sections ? One with MP´s guns and one with SP´s guns. I think it will - because they dont use same engine, so guns can be different.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely nothing. You have 2 spare 150 round mags (in the beta, with the PK).&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, my bad. I thought it was one of those deals like Fallout 3 where you could switch from first-to-third-person and back -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
:: 3-burst is for nubs that can't cut it by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much more realistic''' ('' Cmon, Russians with tavors and milita with tactical AK´s ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Heavily looking forward to SP. MP might as well be called &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Bad Company 8&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I just renamed SVD. Type 56 is someone else´s job. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ugh...==&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible new Weapon? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the one above it looks like the insurgent behind the one in the foreground is holding either an F200 or a Steyr Aug A3&lt;br /&gt;
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Thats one of the best pictures for the possible F2000 but looking at the rest of the screens, there appears to be more weapons we havent seen before, I'll post a link to the EA Discussion, who for once actually have good ideas to what the weapons are ( Ok... yeah xD) Well they're gcoming up with good speculation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's the Link! http://www.gamersmint.com/?p=7801  [[User:WhatARandomer|WhatARandomer]] 08:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm guessing the guy on the front cover is a Green Beret?-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:For some reason I though the guy on the front page was a PMC --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I added a screen of the M4A1 and the Minimi/SAw possibilty.  --[[User:TheCrazyGunNut|TheCrazyGunNut]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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North American release date is October 12, 2010. Europe is October 15.-- [[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
At O:43 you can see what I believe to be some kind of M240.*EDIT: Mk 46 Mod 0* &lt;br /&gt;
All along the trailer are M4s with optics and different accessories. -DeltaOp&lt;br /&gt;
:Was the Mark 14 EBR even fielded yet in 2002? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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- Nope. EBR was designed around that date - 2001/2002 but first units (mostly from Navy Seals) were issued this rifle later on in 2004. So it's probably another game inaccuracy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
(These are just what I could spot while watching it on TV)&lt;br /&gt;
*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bolt-action sniper rifle, presumably a Remington M24 (only saw it from the back and right side as the player was working the bolt)&lt;br /&gt;
*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I found some footage: http://videos.pcgames.de/v/MuuqC3iXMpw/Medal-of-Honor/Multiplayer-Gameplay-E3-2010/ (the shotgun is a TOZ-194)&lt;br /&gt;
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More confirmed weapons. I recommend you keep your eye to the left of the screen, below the radar, to see some weapons we have missed while watching the video.&lt;br /&gt;
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RPG 7-In-game footage&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spliting into sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's because the M4 and Mk. 46 are different guns, silly.-protoAuthor 04:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Heh. I mean that M4 looks different in SP and MP. Same with Mk.46&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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more ammo?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely nothing. You have 2 spare 150 round mags (in the beta, with the PK).&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, my bad. I thought it was one of those deals like Fallout 3 where you could switch from first-to-third-person and back -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that only happens in multiplayer due to it being a different engine, but yeah it is weird&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::M16A4 with FA lower - what could be easier&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You guys might want to check this out: On YouTube, there's someone by the name of deluxe345 who has Hi-Definition videos from the Medal of Honor multiplayer (there are 3 or 4). Also, in one of these videos, I spotted an M224 mortar in the killfeed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am truly impressed with this game. Lets talk about it as MW2 on steroids : &lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much more realistic''' ('' Cmon, Russians with tavors and milita with tactical AK´s ?'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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:'''Much better atmosphere''' ( ''That attempt to make everything cool just failed. Also enviroment wasnt the best seriously'' )&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Heavily looking forward to SP. MP might as well be called &amp;quot;Call of Duty: Bad Company 8&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh, wait, what ?&lt;br /&gt;
::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I just renamed SVD. Type 56 is someone else´s job. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ugh...==&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible new Weapon? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the one above it looks like the insurgent behind the one in the foreground is holding either an F200 or a Steyr Aug A3&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==New Sidearms confirmed!==&lt;br /&gt;
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SF has a Glock.&lt;br /&gt;
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And someone we havent seen named Rabbit Has a Sig. Navy Seal im guessing&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;When you play as &amp;quot;Rabbit&amp;quot; you carry a Sig. When you play as &amp;quot;Deuce&amp;quot; you carry a Glock. And when you are Dante Adams you carry the M9. These weapons can never be dropped, never run out of ammunition, and are an integral part of each character’s identity. The variety in these side arms is also intended to help give distinction and personality to each of the characters represented in &amp;quot;Neptune&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Wolfpack&amp;quot; and 1/75th Ranger&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:I have two things to say about that. One, I'm happy I wont have to look at an M9 throughout the campaign. Two, I hope they allow you to pick which pistol you use in mp since it'd effectively wouldn't change the balance at all. Just allow more individualism to the players. Did I mention I'm really tired of seeing the M9 in my games?&lt;br /&gt;
::Forgive Beretta if they've created one of the most successful pistols of all time, and it happens to be used by the U.S. military. So...I think either you should go design a new gun to replace it, or just live with it. Unless of course you want them to have the U.S. standard sidearm be an HK P30 just to be 'original'.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most games the handguns will have different powers even if they're the same caliber, I'm betting. At least in Multiplayer anyways. Because in the level up screen you can see a level up sidearm section. And I'm hopeing only pistol are sidearms. Unlike modern 2 which had Shotguns and Machine pistols, which unbalanced the game&lt;br /&gt;
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:You DO remember the first Modern Warfare where you can have TWO primary weapons on you, that's even worse. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, MoH gives you two primaries and your secondary. Which actually isn't as bad as most would think. Some operators use a shotgun and their AR, and I'm sure having an SMG, a pistol and an M4 wouldn't be too bad, since I did it once for a test of my webgear for a review. Also, it's possible they could just use the different pistol models as just that, models. Same stats, but different appearance. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really think about it, having 2 Primaries on you, plus your sidearm is just too much. Maybe for a shotgun, but even then. You'd have 3 sets of reloads and it's already heavy on you. The only times An operator needs a shotgun alongside his rifle is that he needs to breach a door and no one else has a shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with ya about the having 3 different reloads, but depending on the weapons, the weight isn't so bad, or at least less noticeable. Anyway, it really could be worse. They could have you carrying two different types of rocket launchers and a machine gun like you can do in the Halo series. &lt;br /&gt;
:At least they're making it so that you don't ditch a pistol two seconds into a level. I've always hated how any sidearm looses all use less than a minute into a game.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I the only one here distressed by the ''unlimited ammo'' aspect of the sidearms? This game is getting to be more and more ridiculous as it is. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:26, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Remember MW2 ? 400 rounds was total standard. And there isnt any true difference between ''unlimited'' and 400.&lt;br /&gt;
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I liked it back when you can keep your sidearm and just pick up another primary. Sure it's a bit unrealistic to be carrying the max ammo for that gun, but not as unrealistic as dropping your handgun for a shotgun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Where was it shown you get two primarys? Pretty sure its one primary and sidearm. Ive never seen or read about that in this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Knife?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched the &amp;quot;Leave a Message&amp;quot; trailer recently. I think one of the Rangers had a Gerber LMF II knife attached to his MOLLE vest. I own this same knife which is why it caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe so, but we need to avoid putting knives down. Yes, the MW2 page as well as some others have knives, but I'm in favor of removing said knives from said pages entirely. The site is called Internet Movie '''Firearms''' Database for a reason. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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When will 360 beta be out? I keep hearing within a week but have seen no announcements by the company.&lt;br /&gt;
:http://twitter.com/medalofhonor&lt;br /&gt;
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Both links failed, and im getting pissed waiting, gives you high hopes for the games multiplayer when a short beta is this delayed......&lt;br /&gt;
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I heard somewhere they're going to run it after they fix the bugs from the PS3/PC Betas, after they're done, because it will allow them to find new problems and because it saves money. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i just saw the 12 round beretta mentioned  i think they did that for balance reasons. Another game too focused on fairness. God forbid you unlock a gun later on that just owns. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah its kind of annoying when its that balanced, at least you could pretend its the .40, but I wouldn't even know what to do with the Grach, its named the Tariq (which is something else) and has 12 rounds too, when its supposed to have 17. Wait, couldn't they both just have been 16 to be in between? If I WAS going to make an overly balanced system like this, I'd try to make it close, why take them both down to 12? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha too bad there isn't one... WAIT! If you really want to stretch it you could pretend its the compact MP-448, 12 rounds of 9x18mm lol :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I hate when the do something like &amp;quot;the m4 has 20 power and 30 fire rate, the AK has 30 power and 20 fire rate, so there balanced. Then they go weapon x is more accurate than weapon y since its weaker and needs an advantage. I wish when you leveled up you had guns with good advantages that just own.&lt;br /&gt;
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I want a game that keeps the round in the chamber, keeps track of your extra mags (not the one big number bullshit), all the functions to be right, none of the guns to be set in a firing mode they're not in, the ability to switch modes to whatever that weapon has, the correct attachments (no AKs with ACOGs, or M14s and G3s with M203s), the correct animations for reloads, correct fire rates, correct mag capacities, correct zooms on scopes and no zoom on reflex sights/irons sights, its not really too much to ask I don't think. The only thing that would be arguable would be damage stuff does, but for the MOST part if you used the calibre measurement as the damage it would work (i.e. 5.56mm does  about 22 damage, 7.62mm does 30, .50 does 50) it's not perfect but I at least want the guns with the same calibres to do the same damage... Rant done. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There is a game for you, it's called ArmA. Mainstream arcadey FPS won't have all these features. But I agree at least counting bullet up the pipe would be nice touch. That always bugged me too. I have no idea why CoD games still doesn't have this. Anyway, ACOG (or any other weaver optic) on AK is not a problem via special mount. 203 on G3 and M14 is possible too.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh believe me, I wouldn't need ALL that, I still play the mainstream FPSs, it would just be nice, I just kept going with the list ;) And I do know you can technically put an ACOG on an AK or a 203 on the M14 or G3, but it would be nice to see the things that are supposed to be there... there, like the HK79. The attachments thing certainly wouldn't be as important to me as the round in the chamber, and I don't think guns of the same calibre having the same damage would be too much, its not that would take any extra effort... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same caliber doesn't always do same damage when shot from different barrels. M16 and M4 is a good example. In case with M16 bullet tumble and fragment thus making more damage, but when the same ammo shot from M4 it does not.&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew that but didn't want to make my posts too long ;)That's fair, I meant more the stuff that doesn't make sense, like a 12 gauge that does more damage than another 12 gauge because it's pump action vs semi-auto, or like in Modern Warfare 2, which is the game I'm mostly complaning about, the F2000 has a 15.7&amp;quot; barrel and does 30 damage, while the TAR-21 has an 18.1&amp;quot; does 40, I know the idea of damage as a numerical system like this isn't realistic in a lot of ways, but it's the best anyone has been able to come up with so far, and I wouldn't think 2.4 inches of barrel would make that much of a difference. Put it this way, out of the 9 assault rifles in that game there are only 3 different damages, the 30, 40, and 55, keep in mind that the calibres here are 5.56, 7.62, and 7.62 NATO: the M4, ACR, and F2000 do 30, the FAMAS, SCAR, TAR-21, M16A4, and AK-47 do the same (lol what?) at 40, and the FAL does a whopping 55 (because its semi). But the single worst is the UMP and Super V, both .45s with a comparible barrel length, the UMP does 40 (again) and the the Super V does... 25. I know there should be differences but this makes NO SENSE. Sorry, I know this is the Medal Of Honor page, but everyone here seems smarter... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know :) it doesn't really matter too much, it would just be nice, but I'm not expecting it though lol [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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seriously, no 1911 very disapointing. it might be outdated but Special Forces still use them. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said there won't be a 1911 in the final game? This isn't the final game. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i dont know. i just figured since its not on the page already they wouldnt have it. but i hope they do. its a great gun and is used by Spec Ops. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
i think that all the comparisons come from MW2 because it has an overwhelming amount of flaws. for example- what has been previously stated. and does anyone else find it peculiar that all assault rifles lose the front sight when optics are attached? knowone would do that its stupid. what if there was a long battle and you ran out of battery on a dime, nope your dead now. and i kind of agree with the lack of a back sight because it takes away the point of the reflex being quick if you have to line 3 things to a target instead of the 1-2 or a normal rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
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This game looks very promising in terms of realism and graphics compared to the other games.  I'm excited to see that the game developers are working with REAL special forces operators.  The game comes out in Fall 2010.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT!!!!!!- ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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Na he is a Green Beret.  That's the way they look when they are in a combat zone.  They have to grow out a beard and dress like the civilians/insurgents in that particular area.-ArmoredMason619&lt;br /&gt;
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A World War II shooter series is switching to a modern setting? It'll never work.&lt;br /&gt;
:Your kidding right...and sign your posts --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The graphics appear to be on par with ''[[America's Army 3]]'', though hopefully it'll have less problems and a better weapon selection. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The trailer had what looked like an [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] variant fitted with an EOTech red dot sight, but I only saw it for a second looking down the sights in first-person mode so couldn't determine wether it was a standard SAW or specialized version like the Paratrooper or [[FN Minimi#FN Minimi SPW|SPW]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, cheap EA.. This is so obvious that they are doing this because of MW success. Won't buy just because of this fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or because WWII has been overdone and they wanted to do something else. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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20th century saw so many wars. They could pick any one. The most suitable would be Vietnam war. I can't recall many good games about this conflict. It could be about SF also.&lt;br /&gt;
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How about Vietcong? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Vietcong In my personal oppinion the best PC game from Vietnam conflict up to date. I know that the Vietcong wasn't perfect but other games usually wasted their potential (e.g. Conflict Vietnam, Men of Valor) ended as a low quality budget (first Shellshock 67 and many others) or as some crazy VC/NVA-zombie kill fest (recent Shellshock 2). &lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that there were many other &amp;quot;interesting&amp;quot; conflicts or suitable theathers for FPS games but &amp;quot;supply is influenced by demand&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;anti-terrorist&amp;quot; theme is actual and developers don't want to risk introducing a game that &amp;quot;nobody would want to play&amp;quot;. Remember it's all about the money. Actually it's quite strange that if I look backwards I can't recall any good or partially realistic FPS from Afganistan or Iraq theatre - Modern Warefare, appart from other parts of the story, was set partialy in the Middle East but in some fictisious country (and that *** spoliler *** nuking of the whole Marine division *** spoiler *** was complete bullshit) and Modern Warefare 2 was about hunting down some crazy Russian ultranationalists (and *** spoiler *** one rouge American general *** spoiler *** that was bullshit as well). No offence to Call of Duty but I personally hope that Medal of Honor would not turn into such killfest of stupid AI NPC duchebags thrown in absolutely ridiculous waves into a single coridor where you have to kill more than 70 opponents on less than 100 square feet ...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Wow, so doing something original is bullshit? I mean, come on; I'd rather shoot 70 guys in a single cooridor than simply go from cave to cave, shooting the occasional militant, or riding about in my vehicle until I hit a bomb and get ambushed. Generic examples I know, but put simply, fighting a military-trained, fully-equipped soldier is a lot more exciting than some fanatical militant using 30-year-old weapons. Heck, even America's Army created a fictional enemy for the US Army to fight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by what I'm seeing in the trailer this is going to be far from any CoD style of modern warfare. This shit looks seriously hardcore in terms of trying to replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay. I guess only time will tell. Hopefully by then they fix the damn gas block thing. Fuck that pisses me off. These guys are working with tier 1 operators but they don't want to model the damn gun correctly. Anybody with even slight knowledge of an AR-15 platform would notice this error. It's a big frickin error.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;replicate actual Iraq/Afghanistan gameplay&amp;quot;? So coalition forces playing in a sandbox there? And duh, there is a gas-block, it's just too low-profile and you cannot see it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Even if the gas block isn't there, does it really matter? The average gamer probably doesn't know, or care, what a gas block is, let alone whether it's actually there or not; and the Medal of Honor series goes for what looks cool (such as the Flak Tower in Airborne), not what's realistic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't change the intent of my words. Let me rephrase :::&amp;quot;replicate some actual Iraq/Afghanistan fighting into gameplay.&amp;quot; There happy? As well the use of a low profile gas block seems like an excuse. What are the chances that every M4 has a low profile gas block when there are attached optics?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why not? It's a game about hi-speed low-drag tear1 omfgd3ltasealz special forces operators.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That's ''Tier'' 1. And even a low-profile gas block would still be visible on the barrel where the standard FSP would be due to the length of the gas tube. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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^ At 0:56, 1:04, 1:16 you can see a stock, body, and barrel of a M14 EBR.&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said it was set in 2002? And the gas block isn't removed for optics like in Call Of Duty, it's removed when the M203's flip up sight is on top, I'm thinking it's not to block that, not that I think it would block it, but that's when it's not there, not because of optics. EDIT: Wow my bad, it is set then, and I was thinking the M203 was an attachment, but its fixed on like in BFBC2, wow, I feel dumb lol. EDIT #2: I figured it out, the M16 removes the front sight for optics, but the M4 doesn't. Odd. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Green Beret on cover ==&lt;br /&gt;
It's ''Cowboy''! [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/03/news-bearded-guy-on-medal-of-honor-cover-is-real.aspx] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lmao. Oh i didnt think of that one. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone think its kinda odd that the Rangers seem to be doing alot of the work. along with the Green Beret. Wouldnt Delta Force/Navy SEALs be doing most of the stuff?&lt;br /&gt;
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1st SFOD-D and Navy SEALs are, let's say, &amp;quot;equal&amp;quot; to Special Forces concerning their roles within US SOCOM. They are highly trained operators used for specific and &amp;quot;delicate&amp;quot; stuff. Rangers are more like muscless used for more &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot; tasks. In reality, you would rather send a Special Forces A-Team to do cool things like - to recon the enemy airfield, to pin point potential high-value targets, to set observation post for calling CAS missions or to set sniping posts with 18B class operators with sniper rifles; while few C-130s packed with Ranger chalks would wait to &amp;quot;go-order&amp;quot; so they can jump in, do all the hard work and blow the enemy to pieces. Special Forces (Delta/SEALs etc.) are too valuable for such things. Even though, they are capable of kicking some serious ass, it is not practical to &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; several A- or SEAL teams for a task, which bunch of Ranger squads could do better.[Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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okay thats true, but i just dont see why there wouldnt be SOME Operators or SEALs, think about this. Rangers are like the backbone of USSOCOM, Green Berets, are trained in Reconaissance, but if u want to kick some serious Taliban ass, u send in Operators or SEALs, because they excel at kickin' the door down, and opening up some whoop-ass. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Delta &amp;quot;Operators&amp;quot;. [[User:Pz.Abt.100|Pz.Abt.100]] 22:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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but really, i no Delta is more of a mission specific unit, but seriously what is America's best military asset? 1stSFOD-D. why? because they have close to 500 Operators, the best in the world. and officially they dont exist. political bull shit in the way, no problemo. they dont exist. its denieble if you send them in.[[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Guns revealed in multi-player demo at E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Beretta 92FS/M9 (not a 92SB like in CoD, had the squared-off trigger guard)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Not actually a new gun, but the M4A1 also had a low-profile front BUIS mounted on the RIS is some scenes&lt;br /&gt;
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If you check the kill feed immediately after the kill with the sniper rifle, the identifies the unknown rifle as a Sako M57. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm gonna put all the ones I've seen down, so we've got one big list (this is all from the 11 minute long multiplayer video, both seen on screen and on the killfeed) If the names are given (killfeed ones) I'm writing them exactly as they are named in game. For the ones that aren't named I'll name them what they are.&lt;br /&gt;
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M14 EBR (Seen in other videos. It is NOT the same as the M21 like it is in certain other games, the M21 has a normal M21 type body and stock, BOTH are in this.) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why would the single player and multiplayer use different engines? That makes no sense. It would make the modelers have to model everything twice, and take up twice as much space on disc. No. We're not going to do that.-protoAuthor 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure if i'm doing this right, but yes it uses different engines, and the modelers do not have to model everything twice, they can easily import it from a common format to both engine's formats, PSK Mesh (or something) for UT3, and a new version of bundledmesh contained in RES files for frostbite. You don't have to model it twice, you just export within both engines.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It still makes no sense to split up the page. But thank you for enlightening me to something that still makes no sense to me. Why would they do that?-protoAuthor 16:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The only reason i could possibly see would be to make a comparable multiplayer experience for BFBC2 players, And they might have already started building singleplayer on the unreal engine, which most if not all of the previous MoH games used. In my opinion, it shouldn't be split either, means some firearms would be listed twice. btw this isn't the original poster, this is the guy from the post before proto's last.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Ok than. It doesnt have to be split, but there should be atlest writed to each screenshot &amp;quot; This is from Multiplayer/ Singleplayer&amp;quot;. And just one little '''BTW''': They modelled it twice. As you can see, M4 or MK46 '''''HAVE''''' different models.&lt;br /&gt;
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They do look different but I think its just because one sets from that first trailer a while ago, game's graphics always get better as develpment keeps going, but you might be right to, I was just throwing that out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LMG Special Weapons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the sniper class you get C4, in the special ops class you get a rocket, and with an assault rifle in the rifleman class you get a launcher... so what do you get if you equip an LMG? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that a joke or can you actually be a suicide bomber, cause what would the American gunners get? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It is then? Okay cool, I figured but I wasn't sure, I can't check because the 360 beta was delayed :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:37, 22 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
== Best of 3 shooters? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have to say, out of the 3 FPS games that will be coming out in Q4 (this one, Spec Ops: The Line, and CoD: Black Ops), I am looking forward to Medal of Honor the most. From what I've seen about the other two, they look like they're filled with sensationalist b.s. . -Any Mouse&lt;br /&gt;
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:MoH looks WAY to much like Bad Company 2, and I think it's EAs fault. They want to capitalize on the modern warfare craze so much, they're using another popular series to boost sales. To be honest, MOH looks like BC2 with Taliban, and I'll most likely not be getting it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Medal of honor is not going to be way too much like BC2 because the gameplay will be much more tactical and realistic.  Like real modern warfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Says you man. Face it, it's going to be bought by the same type of people who buy MW2 and BC2, mostly idiot kids ranging from 10 to 15 who just wanna get four man sprays and noob tubes across the map. This is a console FPS that can be bought by anyone, and has nothing to offer that will make it overly unique, so it will end up like MW2 and BC2, noob weapons will arise, and it will just be another chaotic FPS. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was really psyched about the game untill i found out it was made by the people who made BF-BD2. you said it was a different engine. does that mean that it will be different creators or what? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mp is made by BC2 (''not BD2'' ) creators - DICE. So it means only good part on that game will be SP - developed by EA on UT3 engine.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Full Auto M16A4 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wouldn't having an M16A4 on full auto make it a C7A1? I know there are a few other differences, but they're all internal, it's the only difference visible in some way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well I would have said M16A3, but those didn't have rails. So yes, the only M16 variant that has an RIS system and goes full-auto is the C7A2, so indeed this new game uses a C7. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Personally, I wouldn't call &amp;quot;full-auto&amp;quot; M16A4 a C7A2. C7A2 has some, more or less significant, differences - e.g. ambidextrous fire selector or retractable stock. Plus Canadian military did not use full length RIS systems (e.g. like King Arms M5 on M16A4) on their C7s. Full-auto M16A4 is just another game-developer inaccuracy created by lack of knowledge about firearms. Unfortunately, it's a trend in nowadays mainstream FPS like Modern Warfare or Battlefield Bad Company. Game developers just give a sh*t about this stuff. 13-year-old kids screaming and b*tching in multiplayer would not notice the difference. [Ragnar]&lt;br /&gt;
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::The M5 RAS on the M16A4 is made by KAC, not King Arms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course I realize that having it full auto is just a screw up, like in most movies, and I'm not talking about the C7A2, with the green furniture and ambi controls, I meant the C7A1, which is the same in terms of appearance. Here's one without an ELCAN, because I know someone will complain about that:&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and you can put the KAC Rails on any M16-length AR, so that's not really an issue, some of the C7A1s (like the one pictured) had them put on before the C7A2 was introduced with the TRIAD. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It could be a C7, but really, it's just EA's lack of knowledge about weapons, cause full auto is what every assault rifle shoots, right? Man, games like Call of Duty 4 tried their best to keep weapons accurate, now it's all about tacticool weapons that fire full auto and have cool sights and nice finishes. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah I know, and guns don't need to be re-chambered after they run empty too :p in this and Bad Company 2, it's kind of distracting when I'm playing to be honest, well, I've gotten used to it a little more by now. Okay what I don't get is why can't it be listed as a C7A1? Or at least mentioned... If there was an gun listed as an M4 (not A1) and it was firing full auto you guys would have no problem saying it's actually an M4A1, or an AK-47 is really an AKM, so why can't the M16 really be a C7? I realize it's just a mistake on the developer's part, but that doesn't stop us pointing out the other ones... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be a good idea if we mentioned that in reality, this would class it as a C7A1 etc. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 18:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Has there even ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game? At any rate, I think just noting that it's inaccurately portrayed as full auto is enough. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto! But yeah, just classify the M16 in MOH as a C7A1, cause in reality that's what it is. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Best 5 minutes of my life reading this! [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Well if you talk to the Green Beret on Deadliest Warrior, he'll tell you the M4 can go burst AND full auto!'' - Believe it or not, 4-position selectors for AR-15 type rifles exist.  There should be a link to the patent in the Season 2 discussion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 22:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The so-called &amp;quot;Green Berets&amp;quot; on that show were idiot actors who didn't do their research, so I don't really give a crap about what they say. The M4A1 as used by the US military is safe/semi/auto, no burst. 4-pos selectors may exist, but the US military does not use them. That also wasn't an answer my question. ''Have there ever been any instances of a burst-firing M4 used in any movie or video game?'' By &amp;quot;burst-firing M4&amp;quot;, I mean the M4 with M16A2/A4 trigger group as issued en mass to regular US Army troops. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I only know of two games that have M4s with the A2/A4 trigger group.  There's one of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare games for the Nintendo DS, and then there's the Battlefield 2 mod [[Project Reality]], where it features both burst-firing M4s for the Americans and full-auto M4A1s for the Israelis.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thank you, that ''did'' answer my question. Also, lol @the thread on EA Forums. That was a pretty entertaining read. Though I quite disagree with the guy who claims you can't know anything about an M16 or other firearm without having handled or used one. I've never handled an M16, but I still know the difference between an A1, A2, A3, and A4. Good thing I quit bothering with that place within the first few days I registered, otherwise I'd probably be ankle-deep in that ****storm. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To Hoot471, that forum nearly gave me a headsplosion, how can people be so unbelievably ignorant and stupid?! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi-Def MP videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
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==360 Beta?==&lt;br /&gt;
Alright, does anyone on Earth have a clue when the 360 beta for this comes out!? PS3 and PC went up June 21st, and yet 360 is still delayed, anyone got a clue? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I got deployed for deepwater horizon so no vid games till september. I seriously wish that the release had been on time, I could have played it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clip/Magazine==&lt;br /&gt;
A frivolous debate, but why oh why must they call the magazines &amp;quot;clips&amp;quot; in the game? Yuck. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't know why, but the same error happened in an episode in Lois &amp;amp; Clark. They probably got confused with clips and magazines since that they are both similar. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is nothing similar between a clip and a magazine. A Magazine is a block that stores the bullets, a clip is a strip of metal that holds the bullets that are then FED into a Magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They could have said the slang term &amp;quot;mag&amp;quot; though.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Catalyst&amp;quot; Linkin Park song trailer==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there gave been some new guns spotted and i already identified few of them. But can someone help me with this ?&lt;br /&gt;
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Magazine seems to wide and big for 5.56. I truly need help with this.&lt;br /&gt;
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Could it be the 417 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the MP5 is shown at one point in the trailer. I'd have to look at the trailer again to find the exact point, but I'll update when I do find the time stamp. Lets hope we see the MP5 in multiplayer as well as the campaign if my spot is correct.  Also, I'm pretty sure the picture shown above is just the M4A1, but I'm not 100%. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
1:30 seconds in, on the operator's chest. I am pretty sure that's an MP5A3 or A5. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 23:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That's M4 or might be h&amp;amp;k 416. Clip is just taped. Also, all this specop theme became too popularized after MW1. Don't like.&lt;br /&gt;
::It's called a Magazine or Mag. Don't like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::After re-watching the video for the 17th or so time, the weapon I thought was the MP5 was just an MP7 that blended a little too well into the vest. That said, I did notice that one of the Rangers in the trailer was using an Aimpoint M68 (Comp M2) sight on his M4A1. Possibly another sight option? Who knows. I just know I'm excited for this game.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's an M4 kitted out with an EOTech 552, KAC Free-Float RAS, PEQ-2A, and KAC broomstick. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unimpressed....==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel unimpressed looking at this game? I mean, nothing about it really stands out to me. The firearm selection is trite and cliche, the modern military tacticool spec ops motif has been done far too much, and so has the idea of weapon customization. Honestly, when I saw this game I just kinda yawned and moved on. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: About that firearms choose : So you would give terrorists XM8´s, just because its cliche in video games ? No. So why not give them weapons they use in real ?&lt;br /&gt;
        No I wouldn't, unless a terrorist militia could plausibly get it hand's on a bunch of HK weapons. I'm just sort of sick of seeing the same stuff over and over and over. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually see this as a good change from Modern Warfare and Bad Company rather than yet another tacticool game. Sure, most of it has been done, but so has most other games. At least its not YET another World War 2 sim.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)        &lt;br /&gt;
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But see, that's the whole thing. Instead of &amp;quot;yet another WW2 sim,&amp;quot; it's become &amp;quot;yet another Spec Ops shooter.&amp;quot; And for the record, I liked Bad Company, and I don't see how this will be any different. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Then I better get this for my 360 then PC, cause the graphics are just as high as BC 2 so it'll mess with my PC. The Multiplayer was designed by the same guys who did Bad Company, so we see a lot of their handy work. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, comparing ANYTHING to MW2 instantly makes it better. And if what excalibur says is true, then I'm inclined to go with what everybody else has been saying and write it off as Bad Company 2 with Taliban. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 11:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: We are talking about SP. MP will be BC2 clone ( ''Yeah. Same people are doing it, why not then ?'' ).. But SP will be better :P&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, I'd certainly be willing to try the single player if it looks any good. Not sure if I'd pay full release price for it though, I'll probably go out and buy it later on when it gets down to like 40 bucks. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 14:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just find it odd that they'd get a completely different group to do the multiplayer and when you look at the multiplayer, it feels like MW2 but with a different game engine. The point and level up system is essentially the same, but the classes are almost the same from Bad Company. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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To be honest, I had high hopes for this game, but with the &amp;quot;Catalyst&amp;quot; trailer (overly dramatic acting plus ear-bleeding Linkin Park= FAIL), it just looks like something else that fanboys will be able to wax their carrots to. Ain't no way in hell I'm shelling out $60 just to hear some USI-infested teenager (whose gamertag is  [USMC]&amp;quot;xxSwaggaSniperxx&amp;quot; or something else that sounds mall ninja-ish) cuss me out after I've killed him twice in a row.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I watched said trailer and completely gave up on this game. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 09:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. After this, we're gonna hear a bunch of kids running around yelling &amp;quot;yaaah I am teh Tier 1!&amp;quot; Methinks that some top dog at EA got a boner after reading Sean Naylor's ''Not a Good Day to Die'' and got the idea to rehash a great book and dumb it down into a cheap vidya game.[[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 22:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Everyone, this is a video game. Nobody cares how realistic or how the story is, if you can shoot thing and take control of an over exaggeration of our armed forces, then people will buy it no matter what; it sells.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dragunov ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where did it come from that the NDM-86 is in 7.62x51mm? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Look at the mag in the weapon selection screen shot. It's clearly not the Dragunov's standard mag and a straight 7.62x51mm mag. I agree with whoever did the change that it's the NDM-86. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 13:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, i have done it. And it doesnt have anything to do with 7.62x51, its actually standart .308 winchester. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Last I checked, the .308 was the civilian version of the 7.62 NATO. So in other words, it's the same round for the purposes of this discussion. Don't mean to sound rude or anything, just something to think about. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 14:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: ( ''Wow, so many &amp;quot;''':'''&amp;quot; symbols'' ) Well, .308 is more powerfull i think. But whatever - Im glad someone agrees that NDM-86 is there. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::It's the same basic round, 7.62 NATO is just loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .308, I think. But I now see what you mean about the mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is the AK labeled a Type 56? it has a open sight and no pig-sticker. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Reverted it back to AK-47.  I'd like to hear the explanation as to why it was changed in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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words cannot describe how incredibly stupid I think this is. Nobody makes a big fuss when the Taliban is put in a movie, but the SECOND people even THINK of putting it in a VIDEO GAME... I admit, I do see how people could take this the wrong way, but seriously... it's just a game.  -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We have 'American soldiers' dying in games like Modern Warfare 2 and BC2, but no one raises a fuss. Deal with it, news outlets. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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God forbid our enemy get slandered in a video game!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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thats more political bull shit. i dont know a person in america who likes the taliban. its a game. playing as the taliban doesnt mean you like their &amp;quot;self-righteous&amp;quot; and stupid anti-american ideas. thats like saying because your playing as Spetznaz in MW2 that your being insensitive. people care when you play as talibans. but dont even mention &amp;quot;No Russian&amp;quot; [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 20:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wait, they don't make bad press articles about Grand Theft Auto 4 when that came out and sold millions, but when it comes to a game based on real soldiers, games have crossed the line? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible new Weapons? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the one above it looks like the insurgent behind the one in the foreground is holding either an F200 or a Steyr Aug A3&lt;br /&gt;
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