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Saints Row 2

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[[Image:Saints Row 2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Saints Row 2 (2008)]]
In Saints Row 2, all one-handed weapons can be dual wielded by the player and can sometimes be seen being dual wielded by NPCs as well. There are also many improvised weapons available.

= Pistols =

== [[Taser]] ==
Used by police and Ultor guards in-game when at low police notoriety levels. Referred to in-game as "Stun Gun".
[[File:Stungun (Taser M18)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|250px|Stungun (Taser M18)(SR2).jpg]]

== Glock 21 ==
The [[Glock 21]] appears as "NR4". It is different from the icon above the armory, as it does not have an extended barrel, and the trigger guard is different. It is the sidearm of the Stilwater Police Department and the Ultor Security Services in Saint's Row District. Some gang members use this weapon as well. Erroneously holds 12 rounds rather than the correct 13.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 21 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NR4 (Glock 21 .45ACP)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== Beretta 84F Cheetah ==
The [[Beretta 80 Series Pistols - "Cheetah"|Beretta 84F Cheetah]] appears as "VICE 9", replacing the 92FS that was used in SR1. For some reason, both the 92FS and the Cheetah are used in cutscenes. Both a stainless and a blued version are available (the blued one can be found on customers in gunstores, the stainless is found everywhere else). The Player uses a Cheetah as the default pistol in cutscenes regardless of what they have equipped, using it to intimidate Donnie, killing Mr. Sunshine, firing multiple rounds into him before beheading him with his own machete, and most notably to kill both the Brotherhood leader, Maero, and the former Saints leader, Julius.
[[Image:Beretta-Cheetah.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 84FS - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Vice 9 (M9)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|300px|Model of VICE 9 from Saints Row 2]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
The VICE 9 from the first game, which was a poorly rendered [[Beretta 92FS]], is used only cutscenes.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:M9A1(only during cutscenes)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|300px|Saints Row 1 VICE 9 model, used in cutscenes in Saints Row 2]]

== Colt Anaconda ==
The [[Colt Anaconda]] appears again as ".44 Shepherd". Is somewhat less powerful than the one in SR1. Is carried by several gang thugs, namely the Ronin and the Brotherhood.
[[Image:Colt Anaconda HQ.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Anaconda - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:44 Shepherd (Colt Anaconda)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== Desert Eagle ==
The [[Desert Eagle]] appears again as "GDHC .50". Strangely, it has an 8-round magazine, only found on the .44 Magnum Desert Eagle. It is used by the FBI Agents in the game. "GDHC" could be an abbreviation for "God Damn Hand Cannon."
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|300px|none|IMI Desert Eagle with chrome finish - .50 AE ]]
[[Image:GDHC .50 (Desert Eagle)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== Kobra Pistol ==
The Kobra pistol is a fully automatic pistol, partly based on the full-auto [[Steyr 1912|Steyr Model 1912]] variant. It carries fifteen rounds of 9mm ammo, and comes equipped with a laser sight mounted atop the gun. It is unlocked by completing Fuzz, Mission 3 (Projects) in the game.

[[Image:Steyr1912.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Steyr Model 1912 - 9x23mm]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon fuzz 1 half.jpg|none|thumb|250px]]
[[Image:Kobra (M1912)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

= Submachine Guns =

== Intratec TEC-9 ==
The [[Intratec TEC-9]] appears as the "T3K Urban." 9mm SMG, the cheapest one in the game. Is used by all the gangs, including the Saints, Sons of Samedi, Ronin, and the Brotherhood. It also holds an impossibly large 50 rounds in a magazine.
[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[image:T3K Urban (Tec-9)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|250px]]
[[Image:Sr 09a gunfire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The TEC-9 in-game]]

== IMI Uzi ==
The [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi]], known in-game as "GAL 43," and is fitted with a MAC-10 style stock (blocking the sights). Can be dual wielded. It is unlocked by completing level 3 of one of the "Snatch" Activities. Extremely high-rate of fire and a sort of minigun sound effect. The name "GAL" is likely a reference to the creator of the Uzi, Uziel Gal.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:GAL-43 (Mini UZI)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[File:Unlock weapon snatch 2 half.jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== H&K MP5K ==
The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler and Koch MP5K|H&K MP5K]] appears in-game as the "SKR-9 Threat." Can be dual-wielded, and is used by some gang members and by Ultor Masako Assault Team members in the game. In the game, the gun holds 40 rounds but in real life the gun would only hold 15 with the short magazine depicted in game. All characters hold it with one hand when hipfiring and with two hands on the rear grip when aimed. However, in several cutscenes, it can be seen held by both grips. Can be purchased from Friendly Fire.
[[Image:MP5KA4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|H&K MP5K - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SKR-9 Threat (MP5K)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

= Shotguns =

== USAS-12 Shotgun ==
The [[USAS-12 Shotgun]] appears as the "AS14 Hammer." Used by gangs, namely the Brotherhood and the Ronin thugs. It is fitted with a folding stock rather than a fixed one. It is wrongly depicted as having a 12-round drum magazine, where it actually holds 20 rounds.
[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|450px|USAS 12 full auto shotgun - 12 gauge.]]

== Savage/Stevens 311A ==
The sawn-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun#Short barreled Side by Side Shotgun (Sawed Off)|Savage/Stevens 311A]] appears again from the last game as the "12 Gauge." Carried by many thugs in the game, namely the Sons of Samedi and the Brotherhood. In game it holds six shells at once, four more than it can ever possibly hold in real life.

== Benelli M3 ==
The [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M3|Benelli M3]] appears again as "Tombstone." Used by Police and Ultor members.
[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M3 Super 90 12 gauge with pistol grip stock combination]]
[[Image:Tombstone (Benelli M3)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Saints Row 2 Tombstone, seen in a model viewer]]
[[Image:Benelli M3(only during cutscenes)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Saints Row Tombstone, used in cutscenes in Saints Row 2.]]
[[Image:Sr 04a ronin 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gat holding the Benelli in-game]]

= Assault Rifles =

== Model 727 ==
The [[Colt Model 727]] with a commercial copy of the XM177 flash hider appears as the "AR-40 Xtnd". Used by Stilwater Police SWAT teams and Ultor Masako teams. It is probably the only weapon that cannot be acquired by in-game cheats.
[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:AR-40 Xtnd (M4 Carbine)(SR2).jpg|400px|thumb|none]]
[[Image:M4_SR2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|A character designed to look like Faith (Yes, the one from [[Mirror's Edge]]) disarms a policeman of his Model 727.]]

== Heckler & Koch XM8 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch XM8]] is known as the "AR-50 XMAC" in-game. Seen in the hands of the Ultor Masako assault team in a trailer, as well as in several cutscenes in game. Scoring the maximum rating for Gang Kills and earning one rating for the other combat ratings unlocks a variant with a grenade launcher, which uses grenades in your inventory as ammo. In this game the magazine of the XM8 is 50 rounds but in real life it is only 30 rounds. The non-grenade launching version can be purchased at Friendly Fire.
[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Heckler and Koch XM8]]
[[Image:AR-50 XMAC(XM8)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]
[[Image:AR-50w Grenade Launcher(XM8)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon div combatgun.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

== AK-47 ==
The [[AK-47]] reappears as "K6 Krukov." It is used by many gang thugs in the game. Can be purchased from Friendly Fire.
[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|450px|none|AK-47 Type III - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:K6 Krukov (AK-47)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

== M249-E2 SAW ==
The [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249-E2]] is called the AR200 SAW in the game. It is used in the first level when making your escape from the prison in the boat, and then afterwards by the player when firing from a helicopter. The Ronin also use this when defending the Recreation Center during a Stronghold Mission. Can also be purchased from Friendly Fire.
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249-E2 SAW - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]
[[Image:AR200 SAW (Minimi M249)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

= Special Weapons =

== Barrett XM109 ==
The [[Barrett XM109]] replaces .338 Cal "McManus" as the 25x59mm "McManus 2010". It is seen used by an Ultor Masako Sniper in "Picking a Fight", and Johnny Gat attempts to use one to snipe the Ultor Executive, Dane Vogel, but fails when a guard stops him. The rifle was thought to be an M82A1, but is actually Barrett's new rifle under development, the XM109. Reasons supporting this is the barrel is shorter than the M82, like the XM109 is designed to be, and the weapon uses large 25x59mm rounds, which are fed through a standard 5-round magazine for the rifle.
[[Image:SoldierTech_XM109-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Barrett XM109 - 25x59mm]]
[[Image:McManus 2010(M82A1)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

== Flame Thrower ==
An over-sized double-barreled futuristic-looking flamer.

== GE M134 Minigun ==
The [[GE M134 Minigun]] appears as the "Minigun." Originally a project for a man-portable minigun, this fabled weapon is found in SR2 in the hands of Maero during the fight at the Brotherhood's hideout. Unlocked by the player after defeating Maero in said mission and put into armory. Fires from 200 round belt or ammo pack not seen on the actual gun.
[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|'''Airsoft''' handheld M134 Minigun with 'Chainsaw grip' to handle the recoil force. This variant was seen in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]''. This is an airsoft version which retains the half-circle attachment point for the M60 foregrip from ''Predator''; the real T2 minigun did not have this - (fake) 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon bh10 minigun.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[File:Maero and his Mini-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As if he wasn't intimidating enough already, Maero breaks out a minigun.]]

== Browning M2 ==
You find the [[Browning M2]] on the Bear vehicle, six of them are wing-mounted on the Wolverine, and two are nose-mounted on the Parrot. Oddly, the HUD icon shows a Minigun.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]

== Cane Gun ==
Called "Pimp Cane," it's a shotgun obviously hidden in a pimp cane. Very powerful, kills people instantly from up close and destroys common vehicles in 2 hits. Holds 16 rounds, which is way more that it should.

= Explosives =

== RPG-7 ==
The [[RPG-7]] appears as simply "RPG Launcher." Used by Masako Team units and gang members, the latter using theirs only a little later in the game. It is the most powerful weapon in the game able to destroy anything that can be destroyed in the game. Strangely the player holds the weapon with one hand on the trigger while the other on the top, even though the proper way to hold it is one hand on the trigger grip and the other on the rear grip. The player holds the weapon very much like the [[Type 69 RPG#Type 69 RPG|Type 69 RPG.]] (the Chinese version of the RPG-7). A part of its iron sights are gone while the other is there unfliped.
There is another version, which has been upgraded to seek out heat and looks more futuristic (it's bulkier, has a scope, and lots more chrome and a Panzerfaust like warhead) known as the "Annihilator RPG." This version can only be unlocked upon completing the activity Mayhem.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:RPG Launcher (RPG-7)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px|The RPG as it appears in the game.]]
[[Image:Annihilator RPG(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none|The Annihilator RPG.]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon mayhem 1 whole.jpg|thumb|300px|none|The Annihilator RPG in the magazine.]]

== FN 40GL/Mk 13 Mod 0 ==
The [[FN EGLM#FN 40GL/Mk 13 Mod 0|FN 40GL/Mk 13 Mod 0]] is featured in the game, mounted on the unlockable variant of the Heckler & Koch XM8 (a weapon it was not designed to be compatible with), with an oddly rendered trigger.
[[Image:SCAR 2nd gen w EGLM.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale EGLM 40mm mounted on a [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|Fabrique Nationale SCAR-L]] 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:AR-50w Grenade Launcher(XM8)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

== Satchel Charge ==
Your basic satchel charge, which sticks to anything when thrown. Ten can be carried at one time.
[[Image:SatchelCharge(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon div hitman 3.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

= Unused weapons =
== Ingram MAC-10==
The SKR-7 Spree from ''[[Saints Row]]'', though not available to the player in-game, can be seen in gun shops in a glass case.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC-10 open bolt submachine gun - .45 ACP]]‎
[[File:Mini UZI(only in Friendly Fire)(SR2).JPG|thumb|none|400px|SKR-7 Spree in Saints Row 2, seen in Friendly Fire, and in a model viewer]]

== Accuracy International AW ==
The McManus from ''[[Saints Row]]'', though not available to the player in-game, can be seen in gun shops in a glass case.
[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Accuracy International AW 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:L96A1(only in Friendly Fire)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px|The ''Saints Row'' McManus, seen in Friendly Fire, and shown in a model viewer]]

== Franchi SPAS-12 ==
Similar to the AWS, a SPAS-12 can be seen in a glass case at Friendly Fire, but it cannot be purchased by the player.
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 with stock folded and butt-hook removed - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:SPAS12(only in Friendly Fire).jpg|thumb|none|450px|The As12 Riot in Saints Row 2, as seen in friendly fire and in a model viewer]]

== H&K G36C ==
A chopped-down version is seen on the game's cover art, but is not in the game. It may have been considered, but dropped in favor of the XM8.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]

== FN FAL ==
The background for completing or failing an instance of the "Mayhem" activity shows an unknown figure wielding an [[FN FAL]] while standing in front of a mushroom cloud explosion. The weapon otherwise does not appear in the game.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Sr2_fal.JPG|thumb|400px|none]]

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User talk:Mr. Wolf

2011-08-21T02:16:42Z

User452: /* Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax */

==Black MAC 10==

It's hard to see, but it's not a reflex sight, it's an MP5 front sight mounted on a riser. If you look carefully at the pic you can see it's got an actual post rather than a projected aim point. Precisely why...Well, it's ''Black''. Sense is not it's strong point. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm, interesting. The pic was too small for me to see it at first glance, it looked like a C-more to me, plus I forgot about the game. XD
::Yeah, it's certainly laid out like a C-More: perhaps the developers saw a picture of one, thought it looked cool and didn't bother to check what it was or how it worked. I certainly know of other games made by people who didn't know how reflex sights work (''Haze'' and ''Blacksite: Area 51'' both feature holographic reflex sights that aren't actually switched on, for example). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::For some reason it makes think of the stupid extra front sight mounted on USP's RIS in F.E.A.R. 2. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

:Just to add here; I thought you were just basing it on the ".380 SMG" thing, which I was nervous about going with since if that ''is'' ever visible it's only on the XBox version. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:33, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
::Here's the one I was talking about [[http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AR_DE_M11A1_lg.jpg]], this one's similar too [[http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/siopsopmod/DSC_0037.jpg?t=1293345032]].

==Crysis==

Look at it this way: imagine if someone took a copy of Photoshop and built the shape of the PSG-1 out of a photograph of a DSR-1: extended the handguard, put the magazine and grip where they'd be on a PSG-1, made the barrel project way further forward, and so on. That's basically what the DSG-1 seems to have been. The main clue is in the name; the gun is a PSG-1 / DSR-1, so they went halves on what they called it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== G3KA4 ==

Granted, I'm eyeballing, but it looks more like it's got the carbine-length handguard but with the barrel tip from the full-size rifle, it seems just a little too short to be full-size. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No its handguard is not carbine-length and on the wall it's longer than the AK. The K is somewhat near the size of an MP5, the in-game looks like a full-size rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I've reverted it back to how you had it. I'm not sure, you are, so we'll go with you. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why thank you :), But Your are right about it being kinda smallish, look at it compared to the FAL. It looks like a slightly shrunk-down G3A4 pretending to be a G3KA4. lol, Thanks Ubisoft. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

As for the SVD, it's still an odd hold since you'd have to stick the stock ''inside'' your shoulder to get it to look like that. That's largely due to the usual weirdly narrow FPS field of view, mind you; FPS characters only have central vision (and also can't see their own noses). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

You'll forgive me for being a tiny bit overprotective, it did take me 26 hours to screencap that page. :) [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's completely understandable. :) lol, it seems you have quite a few pages here that are your babes. :D I just wanted mainly to "fix" the AR-15 and G3 that have been bugging me for over a year (I joined about a mouth ago). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Well, the idea is it's a quote-unquote AR-16; since it isn't really anything in particular, it would just end up with a mess of weapon pics below it (AR-15s, AR-18s, etc). I think it's best off how it is now, with just the one it's called and isn't. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm noticing playing through ''Black'' now that ''Far Cry 2's'' devs seem to have got some of their ideas about weapons from it; specifically, it also has the RPG-7 with a side-mounted iron sight and an M249 with a metal ammo drum. Also doing a Let's Play of ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'' and marvelling at how the devs managed to get literally everything about everything in it wrong, including three weapons with the safeties on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. :D I think you meant ''side-ways'' mounted iron sights, Oh and you forgot Call of Duty: Modern Warfare's RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Far as I'm aware the RPG-7's iron sight is usually mounted on the top, the Far Cry 2 one just rotates the whole mounting 90 degrees to the left, while the Black one puts it there and turns it vertical, so you might even say Black's is the one that's sideways. I guess they prefer the side mount because bringing the RPG-7 to the middle of the screen to aim down the iron sight doesn't really look like it's over your shoulder so much as stuck through your body. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== M249 ==

Just noticed your edit there; as far as I'm aware, the belt box is correctly called a drum (see [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/c01.htm#sectioni this field manual], for example). I'm not sure if it's just in-the-field slang terms (IIRC the smaller cloth drum is also called a "nutsack," but we probably won't be calling it that), but I've certainly never heard bandoleer used to refer to anything but a belt that you wear on your body, usually for storing single rounds for weapons like M203s and shotguns. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:38, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== Click on my name. ==

The result will amuse you, hopefully. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:13, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:lol, that's awesome! XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:20, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:(p.s what game is the last one from?)
::The last one is from Bulletstorm, which is an extremely silly game. Fun game, but the Peacemaker Carbine is one of the most unergonomic and genuinely hideous designs I've ever seen. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:39, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:::I agree. At least most HALO weapons seem fairly practical, not including the 12.7x40mm M6 pistols that weigh over 6 lbs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== For why it's a UCP ==

Click the image and look under where it says "Laser pointer (pistol)." It's got a third control just behind the accessory rail which none of the other three guns have, which suggests most of the HK45-ish features are actually from the UCP; only the milling cut is certainly not from it. As for the P99, I really can't see how it's anything but the grip texture and trigger; the differences could well be because it's also based on the ''other'' UCP ([http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-ucp-e.html see here]). [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 05:40, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
* Thing is, with things like that it comes down to I see / you see. Sure, I can see the P99 dismantling button now, but before that it's really just the grip and trigger; I wouldn't say the frame shape is a huge point of calling between P99 and a hybrid of the two UCP designs. I'd say yes, P99 is probably better then. Also, I'm fairly sure ''Black'' calls the revolver an Anaconda, I'll have to check to be certain. Certainly it's not like any normal Anaconda created by human hands, but, as ever, this is ''Black'' we're talking about. I never meant to insult you, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at all. I just try to explain as much as possible in case I'm misunderstood. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:12, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
:It's okay. :) But you keep forgetting the trigger guard, which is just like the P99's too, I'm sorry, but a grip, trigger, and trigger guard is more significant than the UCP's "third control lever". On the "Anaconda", don't we on this site identify weapons based on their appearance, not what the developers call it, that's like in a game if they call a M16 a "AK47", we identify it as a "AK47" because they say so. Oh, I was looking at pics of the P99 and UCP and I noticed that their frames look somewhat similar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, the trigger guard of the UCP is also fairly similar to the P99, at least to my eye; and the gap between the base of the trigger and the bottom of the guard is much smaller on the SOCOM than on the P99. Probably half-and-half there. As for the Anaconda, I think only the bulked-up barrel is really like that Smith & Wesson; I'll wait until I've got some decent shots of it in-game and see what the rest looks like, since that "in-game" shot looks more like a promo render. This unfortunately means I have to do that damn asylum again to get to Nazran Foundry, since my other game has silver weapons and I don't want to screencap those. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 20:42, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::The trigger guard is not like a Anaconda's. Oh, are you gonna change the SOCOM back again. :( I also noticed the mag release on the SOCOM is also from the P99 and the trigger guard is angler like the P99s, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:50, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::No no no, I'm talking about the UCP / P99 trigger guard; they're practically the same shape, and the SOCOM's trigger goes right down to almost touch the guard like the UCP, rather than having a gap like the P99. I'm not changing it back, just re-adding the note that the UCP pictured is a 2004 model since the other one looks totally different. The Anaconda / SW I wouldn't say the trigger guard looked like either of them; I'd be more concerned with what the hammer and cylinder latch looked like, it seems to have a Colt-style latch since if it's like the SW you ''should'' be able to see it from that angle. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:10, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::But the trigger guard on the SOCOM is angler like the P99s, as I said, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. Yes, I do see what you mean about the gap between the trigger and the trigger guard. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:14, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::::I can kinda see what you mean, but I don't think there's much need to disagree over it; they're very close to each other, and I think we've found a decent compromise. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:20, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Oaky-Doky. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:25, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==

It's basically finished barring proofreading now, at least until I feel like going through the game on Hard to get the M16 with M203; even so, we've got pictures of both those weapons now. Glad you like it, and your checks to my edits have been appreciated, especially correctly pointing out what the Magnum actually was; I'd never have thought to make the Magnum = Dirty Harry connection without that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:48, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
:Your welcome. ^^ Hey, I just noticed something while looking over the page is that the "M16" is actually modeled after a [[M16#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]], the hand-guard and 16" barrel are too short (both in 1st and 3rd person) and is it has a (poorly done) telescoping carbine stock. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:01, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for spotting that. As for naming, I think to be consistent with my calling the HK94 an HK94 rather than an "MP5," we'll go with saying AR-15A2 in the captions. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:35, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

== To be honest, I wouldn't mind re-doing those caps completely ==

I've never been a fan of those cropped-right-down-to-the-weapon images the CoD pages use, they look dull and they bugger up the perspective by cutting out the rest of the field of view. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== InFamous ==

Thanks for fixing that page. If you can find some cover art, that would be great. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:07, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

:You want me to put that on my rather large list of things I need to cap? I've got a PS3, so it's not like it'd be impossible for me to get around to it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
::That'd be cool, I don't have a PS3 and don't know squat about InFamous, though I would love to play it. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:11, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== M21 Image ==
you are right when you say that the M21 Image that was up is a M1A rifle with a scope. I have been trying to clean up the M14 pages with the help of a M14 forum that includes a few experts on the M14 history and developments. Unfortunatly I am having trouble uploading a public domain image of a real M21 Rifle the only one I have found is a B&W US Army image. I've been trying to upload it over POI's missnamed Image.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:30, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Rename JPG==
Just upload a new image with the new name. I'll delete the other one. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:42, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:59, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

==Noting the caliber on the lines==
The original nomenclature of this site when it was created by Bunni was that we noted the caliber or gauge whenever possible. Only because newer members either did not know this or people got lazy resulted in so much of the site straying from the style standards created when this site was founded. When in doubt, DO NOT REMOVE the calibers or gauges from the descriptions. That is actually truer to the original style of the site. Until the membership decides to officially change that element of the style, it is NOT incorrect to list them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:49, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Oh BTW, welcome to IMFDB. Though you've been a member since Feb 2011, there are many things which were standard since 2007. Since the influx of new members doing a multitude of pages in differing styles, there may be many inconsistencies within IMFDB. Hopefully these will be addressed by the Mods soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:54, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:Alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:12, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

==SIG-Sauer P220 page==
Why did you do that?! It broke every section-specific redirect to that page on the site!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:06, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:Uhh, sorry. ^^; I thought I was just correcting a error, my bad. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:55, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Fixing vandalism ==

If you want to undo a lot of edits at once, just go to the "history" tab and click the date and time of the revision you want to return it to. So with that one, you'd click "21:25, 1 May 2011." This brings up the old revision. Click "edit" and you'll get the normal edit window with the added note "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost." Click "save page" and you'll return it to that revision. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:22, 4 May 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:24, 4 May 2011 (CDT)

== THX 4 the help ==
We managed to "resurrect" the [[Peace Walker]] page, thanks for your help. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Yo welcome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:45, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

==Removing pics==
Don't remove pics from gun pages if it qualifies. If it is not a commonly used variant you can MOVE the pic to the discussion page, but it's a no no to remove the pic completely. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:02, 25 May 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:46, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== Incidentally ==

When I talk about lever actions, I'm kinda thinking something like the pair on my user page. Yeah, it's kinda unreasonable, but there's nothing that says "gun" like the sound of a levergun and it annoys me that of the only games I can offhand recall having them, one was the BB gun in ''Fallout 3'' and the other had the misfortune of being in ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
:Did you forget Lincoln's Repeater and the Black Water rifle in FO3? In my concept for L4D3 there would be a lever action rifle as a Special weapon. I agree with you, lever-guns don't get enough love in games, but they don't belong in Modern Warfare, sadly, I don't think even in WW1 and WW2 they ever used lever-guns. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::I think the Russian army was still using Winchester 1895s in WW1, but the last I can find is the Spanish Civil War. And come on, half the stuff in Modern Warfare doesn't belong in Modern Warfare :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:::That was about 80 years ago (*shrug*). Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, and so it seems Modern Warfare 3 are kinda silly. :P Still a semi-auto rifle or a assault rifle is better than a lever-gun. But I would still include a lever-gun in some games I would create, like in this Sci-fi one I thought of a character that uses a reproduction 1887 lever-shotgun, god I love that gun. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, I could only see a lever action in a manual weapon role (ie sniper and ''maybe'' high-precision marksman) or during WW2-era for rifles, but then in the fiction here it's basically the nation's best-loved rifle and bolt-actions never caught on with the military brass. There's five nations shown, each with a tendency towards a different action for their marksman rifle, so you get a lever-action, straight-pull bolt action, traditional bolt-action, semi-auto and pump-action. Then again the lists also include a liquid propellant gun, an underbarrel railgun, shotguns that fire self-forging penetrators, HESH rounds or SACLOS guided missiles, and your support gunner is a 12'8", 1,800-pound ogre with a 350-pound chaingun and a sidearm chambered in 40x127mm; being ''believable'' is more a concern than being ''realistic'' per se here. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bows ==

Also, re: Resi 4, I think the rule is that longbows and crossbows are allowed if (a) they fire explosive arrows (the Rambo exemption) or (b) the precise make and model of the bow is identifiable for trivia purposes. Krauser's bow and the Bow Gun get (a), though I'd be tempted to remove them to the talk page for now because there's no pictures. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Uploads ==

Looks like you're having the same issue I was. Seems the server's taking a while (sometimes hours) to notice alterations to file pages. Just leave it, it does update by itself eventually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, stupid server, blarg. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:36, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

==Thanks, man==
Thank you for cleaning up the grammar a bit on the [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] page. I was mostly building off the comments that were there before, so I didn't really check them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
:No problem. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:48, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

==RoboCop 2 Edits==

I was in the middle of adding those extra sections/entries when you made your corrections. Nonetheless, I did add what I thought were all the corrections you made - Guess I missed some. Anyway, we were both editing at the same time so there's you explanation. Good job on making the little typo corrections. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's alright and danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:59, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

== Vegas 2 Mossberg ==

Just wondering how can that be a Cruiser if it has a full stock?

[[File:R6V2-shotties.jpg]]

The second is in the game, not the first. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:24, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:Opps, sorry, my mistake. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:04, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

== Done a little 3D modelling myself, you see... ==

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54.jpg Example]. And, well, rotational copies on the progam I used, you define the axis of rotation and then type in the number of degrees to shift each copy, then enter the number of repeats. So creating a minigun with 5, 6, 10, 36 barrels, it's all just a matter of what numbers you type (though I imagine with 36 they'd overlap). The thing does have M134 barrel clamps, which is more what I was focusing on. Plus Terminator 3 has oversized M134s still ID'd as M134s, so I figure it's ok when it's this obvious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:54, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:Alright, your reworked descriptions work fine. :) lol, I'm only good with Photoshop. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:04, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

::On a completely unrelated note, if you can think of any [[Bofors 40mm]] guns in movies, games or TV shows, feel free to add them. I know I'm missing a lot there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:58, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::lol, I am a small-arms guy not an artillery guy. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Calibres on lines ==

It's not something I normally do, but MPM did say up there on this very page that if a page already does it it's not correct to remove it, so I figure that I should just stick to pattern. It's not something I personally think looks all that good (and it makes captions harder to write), but hey. Also, got a couple pistols there on the talk page if you want to take a look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:52, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:That kind of a silly rule. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:56, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, yes. I can't say I really understand what it's for myself. Still, it's funny looking at a caption you've just written and realising you have to rephrase it so you're not saying Josh Lucas fires 5.56mm NATO rounds, and the laugh was worth the hassle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be alright if I removed ALL the caliber mentions in the caps in one edit? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::MPM up there said no. You'd have to take it up with him. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::I ain't a Amin, I got no power. lol :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:11, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Chronological placed weapons and calibers in caps are things I hate the most in pages, but Stealth sucks so I really don't care. But please for the sake of God nobody EVER do that in future pages. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:Not a fan of either thing myself, but I am a fan of the way this wiki allows a certain amount of individuality in pages. It just means sometimes you're writing a page in a way you wouldn't personally do if it was your page, is all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:45, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== AA-12 ==

Yeah, I guess they added that shell holder using the ''Black'' "make the weapon look complicated" logic. You have to admit, the AA-12 looks like a paintball gun if you just depict it stock. Not without precident in the series, either, Blops had a WA2000 with a stock saddle. Also, shouldn't all the firearm images be one size rather than some being 500 and some 450? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:14, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
:I go with what looks best on the page to me. :\ Is it a problem, does it look bad to you? I've done the same on many other pages. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
::P.S. The AA-12 doesn't look like a paintball gun to me. It looks like a plastic and stainless steel auto-shotgun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I dunno, lately I've just been putting gun pics at 400 and screencaps at 600 by default. I think it gives the page a nice uniformity if every section has the images done the same way, though, so all of them at 450 ''or'' 500px would probably be best than some one and some the other. Obviously with the exception of things like grenades and boxy subguns like MACs and other things that end up really big if they're the same size as landscape pics of rifles.

:::And you know what I mean, that stuff that looks like a rubbery non-slip coating on the whole gun makes it look rather weird.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:10, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, pretty is, as pretty does. ;) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:15, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

There's a method to my madness, I kinda do it from smaller firearm to larger firearm. The way I do pages is that I do caps at 600px, then I do handguns at 350px to 400px (sometimes 450px for handguns like the DE, Mark 23, and large revolvers), and firearms larger than pistols will be 400px to 500px depending on what type of firearm it is. I don't know, what looks better, assault rifles being the same size as a pistol or bigger than a pistol? Bottom line I just like nice sized weapon images that fit accordingly to weapon type. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:39, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:I guess it's just my mouse (one of those fancy-ass Logitech ones with the flywheel for a scrollwheel); I like to go past uniform sections as I go down a page, it gives me the ability to pretend I'm good at keeping things tidy. :D Also, the 200-pixel difference makes it easy to tell when I'm passing each new entry, it's like a section tab or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::LOL, My cheap HP mouse is better than fancy-ass Logitech. XD See the [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] page for an example of my work, I don't know, maybe I'll change my ways for people like you with "fancy-ass" Logitech mouses. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:07, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, it also hits issues when you get images like the G3KA4 and Steyr Scout Tactical which are only 400 and 417 pixels across, so you end up with rifles being shown smaller than some of the pistols as on that page. I find most of our gun images are at least 400px, so it's a good baseline. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 19:12, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::350px for handguns and 400px most other weapons might work just fine. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Update: No it isn't, it's too small for me. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

By the way, do you have Skype? If you do, PM me your name on the forums, I'm sure we'll save a lot of time editing each other's talk pages if we can IM each other. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, I don't, I'm just a gun nut country boy who actually prefers verbal conversation over texting. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, then we're going to have to rig up a tin can on a string across the Atlantic or something. No other way. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:21, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== 30-round 7.62mm NATO magazines for G3-type rifles ==
You mentioned in your edit notes for Rainbow Six Vegas that they exist, but I've never, EVER seen what they look like, or even know that they exist. Mind sharing some images or additional info? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:52, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Here's a HK91 (Civilian legal G3) fitted with a 30-round mag.

:[[Image:44 Minutes 032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Phillips with the HK91 fitted with a 30-round magazine. (from ''44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout'')]]
:[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 with 20-round magazine]]

:It's simply just a longer version of the 20-rounder, I think their mostly used for the lightmachine gun variants of the G3. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Singularity revolver ==

Looking at the end of the barrel and the way it extends out past the front sight, it looks more like they were going for SW500 than Model 629. What do you reckon? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:39, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:It's ''way'' too small to be a SW500 and it has a six-shot cylinder. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:08, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but at very least I'd say it's a 629 with an SW500 barrel stuck on it. Less Franken than most of the guns, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah I noticed that too, I'd say a SW500 "like" barrel, maybe a PC/custom barrel? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:33, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== Team Fortress 2 ==

How many hours have you played? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 03:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:213.2 hrs, but atleast I don't call BLU team "BLUE". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:56, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Also, can we do without the triple dots? It reads like a five year old wrote it. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:five year olds don't do ''periods'' at all. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:03, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== Minor things ==

Firstly, that Saboteur thing: I figured it was the SW version of the M1917 (which looks a lot like the hand ejector) but Jackbel changed it to the Colt version because of the front sight (even though the grip is nothing like the Colt version). The initial "Colt Official Police" was just my first attempt to translate the other guy's writing into English.

this is cbeattie the 44 pistol on the saboteur is the SW 44 Hand ejector 2ND model with a target configuration.

:Phillb36 was the one said it was S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model in the first place. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Second, IIRC the soldier / Marine / operator / etc distinction is only among the American services; over here I've never heard of anyone being bothered by it, and "soldier" is just a generic for "guy who fights on land." I think you're only correct calling an SAS guy an operative if he specifically ''isn't'' on a combat mission, otherwise he's a soldier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== the sabouter 44 pistol ==

what type of gun is the 44 pistol?[[cbeattie]]

:Uh... Go look on the page... It's a S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model with a Colt M1917's barrel, it seems to be a franken gun. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:05, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

What type of gun is the terror sniper rifle [[jj]]

:How would I know, There's no screen cap and I haven't played the game. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:34, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

It looks like a updated vesion of a us pederson rifle

:Ok... And that helps me how? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Just saying what the rifle is

:We need a cap of it to confirm it and sign your posts... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Going back to the revolver it is a S & W 44 hand ejector 2ND with an colt style cylinder rod[[user:cbeattie]] 19:57

:I'm the one who said that! Why are you taking my credit?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:02, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No I am not stealing your credit you said it had a colt barrel I'm saying it has a colt cylinder rod not a colt barrel [[user:cbeattie]]20:07

:And the front sight, so it pretty much has a Colt M1917's barrel. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually if you ve played the game you'll see that the front sight is that of S & W that you put on the saboteur page (target configuration ) [[cbeattie]]20:18

:Alright, alright, I going off the screen caps the best I could. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:22, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No problem :)[[cbeattie]]20:25

so do you know what gun the terror rifle is

:NO. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:01, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm wondering if this guy isn't either (a) that troll from before again or (b) inexperienced with English to the extent that he's asking questions like they're knock-knock jokes ("Do you know why...?" "No" "...Because of X is why.") Either way, it's rather exasperating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

I am nethier I'm just telling Mr. Wolf what the 44 pistol is and if he know's what the terror scoped rifle is :/[[user:cbeattie]]
==Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur==
sorry to be annoying but could you find out what the terror scoped rifle is there's pictures on the saboteur wiki website.[[user:cbeattie]]15:30

:This ''is'' the best image I could find on the web. --> [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1373402-terror_sniper.jpg] I have no idea what it's based on as of now, looks like a generic detachable magazine-fed rifle like a lot of game developers make, it's defiantly not a [[Gewehr 43]]. Maybe you can help Tim. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well I looked through the entire Rifle Category, even the Flintlocks, and couldn't find a single rifle that matched it. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:19, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Looks like one parent was an SVT-40 and the other was a junkyard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:38, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The magazine is too close to the trigger guard to be related to the SVT-40. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:46, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm more looking at the SVT's barrel versus that one's forestock top, it's the only WW2 rifle I can think of that would have anything that might get turned into what looks more like a shotgun heat shield. I guess by a concept artist who doesn't know one end of a gun from the other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

cheers guys defintly looks like a metal SVT-40 with loads of mod's in the game it also fires shotgun shells and it fires automatically.[[user:cbeattie]]10:21

:No it doesn't, it looks like the product of an artist with no idea what he was doing drawing a WW2 rifle with the aid of a half-burned photograph of an SVT-40 that he'd spilled beer on and then eaten. It's just some fictional frankengun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:24, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::What the crap, did Cbeattie just describe the Terror Shotgun?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:47, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I think this is why asprin was invented. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::lolz. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:17, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

what the hell does that mean !!!!![[user:cbeattie]]

:Whoa, what's with the hostility?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:22, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

== Welrod ==

I think with the "go off visuals" we need to go with it being a Mark 1 with no trigger guard rather than a Mark 2 that occasionally spontaneously saws itself in half. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:It's not sawn in half, it's drawn too short in the first two caps, then it's full length in the last cap. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:42, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, but the only way a Welrod would ever get that short is if the front of the suppressor was taken off, in which case the front sight would be more or less exactly where it is in the caps on a Mark 1. And really, it's just as easy to believe they gave a reference image of a Mark 1 with the front of the suppressor removed to some of the animators as that a gun-obsessed anime with a reasonably large budget would make such a basic scale error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::If they based it off a Mark 1 than why does it ''not'' have a trigger guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:57, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Well, this goes in circles: if they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots? Missing a wire trigger guard that might have fallen off a pictured reference is one thing, but only one Welrod can ever get that short under any circumstances (and certainly only one has any way of changing length), so I think we kinda have to say it's that one, even if it doesn't make much sense ''why'' it changes length. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::''"If they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots?"'' Because like you said, it's a scaling error. Question: were all the gunshots suppressed? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:12, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::I have no idea, I edited that page to begin with because I've read the comics, I haven't seen the anime. Still, even if it's a scaling error, we still have pictures of a Welrod that can change size, and I think half the barrel vanishing is more of an identifying feature than the trigger guard vanishing. Wouldn't matter, anyway, IIRC the Welrod can't be fired safely with the front of the suppressor removed, it's for concealment (same reason the grip is part of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I thought it being an artist error was an easy enough explanation. So it's a Mark I that at the last second grew its suppressor for the last shot? So should I say that the M1A in High School of the Dead has a custom ginormous charging handle installed just because of an artist error? :P You know that goofs like this happen in Animes all the time. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:11, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a production M1A version with a ginormous charging handle, I'd have said you'd have to say it was that version in that shot. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::::ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:11, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== By the way... ==

http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1834

You might like this :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:For the love of God! That is so... Awesome! XD I would have posted on the form but it won't let me, I've activated my account twice but it keeps saying "''Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum'''". I can't even view my Profile or get a Avatar. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I had that too, you should speak to MT2008 about it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:16, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

As an addition, I've finally got around to finishing Homefront on Youtube. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:55, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper 3 ==

I'm working on this page right now, and I ask that you please let me finish my changes first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:53, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Hi, I'm not sure I have the ability to approve you. I thought I did, but when Evil Tim wanted to join the forum, I repeatedly tried to activate his account to no avail. It may also just be that I'm incompetent and can't figure out the system, but long story short, Tim only got approved when Bunni did it for him. So as much as I hate to give you a copout response, I'm going to suggest you message Bunni (by email, not talk page) and ask him instead. Sorry, -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:How do I contact Bunni? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I recall he once told me that he gets an email every time someone leaves a message on his talk page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hi. I saw movie called '''13''' today and I am planning to screencap it. There is one problem, however. It is full of stupid revolvers which I hate. I checked every single revolver page but I could not find a gun that matched the ones in the film. I was wondering if you could help me with those f'ing revolvers, since according to your user page you are "nearly a master at identifying firearms". :) So can I count on you? I have cookies... *puppy dog face* - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:30, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Is there a page of it on this site? If so, I'll do my best. D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::No, not yet. I will upload the images tomorrow (its 22:50 now at my place) to my userpage. After that please feel free to make edits on it. Thanks in advance! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:51, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Okay! D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:52, 6 August 2011 (CDT)
::::I have uploaded the images. Good luck, and thanks again. Like I said just edit my userpage. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:27, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

First of all, you Sir, are a LEGEND. You saved me a week of my life by helping with those revolvers. I managed to ID the Python and Model 10 right ''when'' you were editing, but the other ones, nothing. So BIG thanks again, I will be in your debt for the rest of my life. Oh, about MOH2010, maybe that one is an exception. :) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:26, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Thank you and your welcome. :) I may have not been able to ID all the revolvers and It took me a long time but I was glad to help. I always like to exercise my ID'ing and researching abilities. :) BTW I'm psyched for BF3. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:05, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I think I have figured out Jason Statham's handgun in '''13'''. It looks like a Pre-B CZ 75:
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:13 temp image.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When he puts it to his belt the old-style hammer can be seen, as well as the CZ 75 style safety and slide serrations. It has bigger rear sights though. Is it possible to customize those sights?]]
What do you think? Could it be a 75-clone? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 01:56, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:It's a Pre-B CZ 75 clone due to the fact that it does not have the noticeable milling-cuts on the front of the frame. I think it might be a Solothurn ITM AT84S [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/solothurn-itm-at84s-0 link]. Note the rear sight and lack of milling-cuts on the front of the frame, even the grips match up. BTW you really need Blu-ray. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:41, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

==Red Dead Redemption==
hi mr.wolf sorry for seeming hostile the other day do you know what bullets the red dead redemption buffalo rife uses is it the 50-90 sharps or the 50-140 sharps and whitch one does more damage cheers [[user:cbeattie]] August 7,20:06

:I have no idea, that gun and its ammo are beyond my knowledge, sorry. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

do you anyone that would know [[user:cbeattie]]

:Nope. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:36, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax ==

I was wondering if I could borrow your keen eye to take a look at the [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:XS-2_Ultimax_(SR2).png XS-2 Ultimax from Saints Row 2]?
 [[User:Cbeattie]], who I see you have run into already, has been arguing for several days on the Saints Row Wiki about this, first claiming it was a SPAS 15, then a M1014, and now a Saiga-12.
 He's edited the Saints Row 2 page here, claiming it was a SPAS 15, and then changed it to a Saiga-12. I've removed it from the page, since I think it looks nothing like it, other than the fact they're both "shotgun shaped". I'm sure he will add it back in a few hours, so I'd appreciate another opinion on whether it looks anything like it.
 He appears to be under the impression that it '''must''' be based on a real life weapon, and that the Saiga-12 is the closest thing he can find, therefore it '''must''' be based on it. I've looked at some images of the Saiga-12, and none of the features match. (You're not the first person to say he is acting like a troll, or to wonder how old he is.)
 I personally have very little experience with weapons, but I can play "spot the difference" very well.
 As I'm sure you've noticed, the weapons in Saints Row 2 are all almost identical to real life weapons, which makes me believe that if it was based on anything, then it would also look very similar. -[[User:User452|User452]] 18:13, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'm sorry, but I say it's most defiantly a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I m sorrt I have no Idea what your talking about I have no account on any saints row 2 the person you are talking about is a cjbeattie and he seems to be quite good at Identifying weapons.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:07, 17 August 2011 (CDT))

:What the heck are you guys talking about? I just gave my opinion that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. If you guy are gonna have a discussion about Saints Row 2, do it on the Saints Row 2 discussion page, not mine. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry about that, it looks like "[[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]]" here is trying to claim that he is a completely different person than the "cjbeattie" who has been inserting the exact same information on a different wiki.
::Thank you very much for confirming that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life basis, I hope Cbeattie doesn't give you too much trouble here. -[[User:User452|User452]] 21:16, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

== Forum ==

I approved your forum account. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 18:44, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:YAY! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

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