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Max Payne 3

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{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Max Payne 3
|picture = Mp3cover1.jpg
|caption = ''Offical Boxart''
|series= [[Max Payne (disambiguation)|Max Payne]]
|date= 2012
|developer=Rockstar Studios
|platforms=Xbox 360 Playstation 3 PC
|publisher=Rockstar Games
|genre=Third-Person Shooter
}}

'''''Max Payne 3''''' is the third game in the ''[[Max Payne]]'' third-person shooter franchise, developed by Rockstar Games and published by Take-Two interactive. Abandoning the film noir detective plotlines of previous games, it instead takes the story eight years after the events of ''[[Max Payne 2]]'', with Max having quit the NYPD to become a private security guard for the rich and influential Branco family. Following a series of raids by mysterious armed thugs, Max finds himself on a rescue mission, but as ever things are more complicated than they seem.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the video game ''Max Payne 3'':'''
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=Overview=

''Max Payne 3'' dispenses with the mostly-limitless inventory of the prior games, instead allowing Max to carry two one-handed weapons and one two-handed weapon, which he will hold in his left hand if using a one-handed weapon. If he is not carrying a two-handed weapon he is able to dual-wield any combination of one-handed weapons he is carrying. When dual-wielding weapons, Max must fire both weapons simultaneously (and not independently like other videogames) Weapon reload animations are altered depending on Max's current loadout and whether or not he is in cover; awkward positioning results in longer reload times. Ammunition is for the most part divided by weapon class; for example, ammunition for the 5.56mm G36V also works in the 7.62mm FAL. This means when a player dual-wields the same weapon, each weapon is actually a copy of the other, sharing the exact ammunition "pool". After intense firefights, various types of magazines and shell casings from each weapon used can be found throughout the battleground.

As with previous installments the game's gunplay is heavily influenced by "Hong Kong Action" movies, with the same slow motion "bullet time" and "shootdodge" abilities, though Max will now collide heavily with objects and surfaces if he shootdodges into them rather than just brushing against them until the animation completes. While the game discards the "in the zone" mechanic of ''Max Payne 2'' which allowed for showy slow-motion reloads, it retains the "bullet cam" showing the last enemy in a room's death, now rendered in far more grisly detail due to a new damage modelling system which shows both entry and exit wounds. The player is also has the ability to slow down the "killcam", allowing for the spinning effect of the bullet as well as its caliber noticed mid flight. As with previous games in the series, each bullet is treated as a physical projectile with defined speed rather than using hitscans.

Throughout the game, secret "gold" weapon parts can be found, each gold weapon requiring three parts. Typically the gold weapons have larger magazines, and sometimes are altered cosmetically to reflect this. Weapons can sometimes be found with modifications such as red dot scopes or flashlights, though in singleplayer the player has no influence over what upgrades they will have or when they will appear. However the player is able to disable the modifications by use of the "Select" button on either the PS3 or the XBOX 360 controller

=Handguns=

==Colt M1911A1==
The [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] (simply referred to as a 1911) is a fairly common handgun throughout the game. The gun is fired as if it is double-action-only, which is incorrect. The M1911 offers higher damage then the previous pistols, but only holds 8 rounds inside the magazine. First time the handgun is used is during the New York flashback levels
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]

==Glock 17==
[[Glock 17#Glock 17 (Converted to Full Auto)|Full-auto Glock 17s]] are available in several levels as the Auto 9mm, and is the starting handgun in Chapter 11. These Glocks come with Glock 18C-style the compensator ports on the top of the slide. The Glock 17 has the same damage of that as the [[PT92]] but offers instead faster RPM and magazine size (which when fully upgraded can have up to 33 rounds per magazine). Depending on the players progress, the model of the gun will have an extended magazine if all golden gun parts are found.

Note that this is not a Glock 17C, as the Glock 17C has a completely different compensator design.
[[Image:Glock17ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 converted to full auto with 33 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-00-80.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-20-32.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock 18c gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]

==IMI/Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
The [[Desert Eagle]] makes a return in Max Payne 3 as the DE .50. The Desert Eagle shown in the game is a hybrid, with a Mark VII barrel (distinguished by the lack of scope rail mounts) but a Mark XIX slide (distinguished by the taller cocking serrations). Despite being in almost every promotional screenshot and concept art, the pistol only appears a handful of times with extremely limited ammunition; unusually for the game, it has its own unique ammunition supply rather than using the general reserve for pistols.
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle MK VII with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|400px|none|Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50 AE]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-39-08-55.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle Gold Viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 desert eagle 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 20==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 20]] Heavy Barrel is a common low-level handgun throughout the game, first seen in Chapter 2 in the hands of thugs on the dance floor. The .38 offers higher stopping power than the [[PT92]] but only holds 6 shells at a time. Interestingly, the cylinder does not rotate during "killcam" moments.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel20.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 - .38/44]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-36-21-13.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 model 20 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]

==Taurus Model 608==
The [[Taurus 608]] referred to in game as the 608 Bull, is a relatively uncommon revolver, but can be found more commonly than it's semi automatic counter part, the [[Desert Eagle]]. The "Bull" designation would suggest this is supposed to be the Taurus Raging Bull, but it's actually based on the model 608 as the in-game weapon is chambered for .357 and has an eight-shot capacity. Unlike the .38 Revolver which uses a speed loader, Max loads each individual shell at once, most likely for balancing reasons. When the "killcam" focuses on the .608, the cylinder can be seen rotating.
[[Image:Taurus_608.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 608 with 6.5" barrel and a matte finish- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-01-05-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus model 608 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]

==Taurus PT92 AF==
Standing in for Max's signature [[Beretta 92FS]] sidearm is its Brazilian cousin, the [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92 AF]], which surprisingly appears under the correct moniker of "PT92." The PT92 shown in the game is a modern production version with large cocking serrations. Though it can be found with a flashlight, it does not have an accessory rail, the light simply being shown mounted to the bottom of the frame. The light - similarly to [[Battlefield 3]] - can blind enemies when aimed at them. The PT92 is a more common pistol in the game, second to the [[Glock 17]] for highest handgun magazine capacity. It can be seen in several variations through the single player, such as with wooden grips in Chapter 12. When infiltrating the derelict hotel, Max fits his PT92 with an improvised suppressor made from duct tape and a water bottle in a cinematic. While the suppressor lasts longer than it would in real life, it does lose effectiveness very quickly. After Max discards the suppressor, the tape remains wrapped around the gun.
[[Image:PT92AFRail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT92AF blued (current production model with accessory rails) - 9x19mm. The version in the game does not have a rail.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-15-29-64.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 18-56-30-08.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 silenced lighter gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-58-15-41.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 improwizowany tlumik.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 PT92 sd lighter.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Heckler & Koch MP5/40==
The [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5.2F10_and_MP5.2F40|Heckler & Koch MP5/40]] Called the "MPK" in-game. The weapon has the shape of a [[MP5]] but the paddle magazine release is on the ''front'' of the magazine well. It also has straight magazines, similar to the MP5/40 or MP5/10; these normally contain 20 rounds, though the gold weapon ups this to 30. Though the MP5/40 usually loads from 30 round magazines in real life, this was likely changed for balance reasons.
[[File:MP540.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]

==IMI Mini UZI==
An [[IMI Mini Uzi]] is available throughout the game starting from the second chapter as the Micro 9mm.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Mini Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-39-14-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]

==Ingram MAC-10==
The [[MAC-10|Ingram MAC-10]] are commonly used by mob hitmen in the New York/New Jersey flashbacks, as the M10.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]

==Taurus M972==
The [[Beretta_M12#Taurus_M972|Taurus M972]] is featured as the "M972". For some reason the folding stock and foregrip have been removed from the in-game weapon, which allows for Max to store it in his shoulder holsters. Found rather uncommonly in the game, first instance being during the Favela levels
[[File:Taurus M972.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus M972 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-09-46-50.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus m972 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]

==Taurus MT-40==
The [[SIG_SG_540#Taurus_MT-40|Taurus MT-40]], a .40 caliber version of the Chilean [[SIG_SG_540#FAMAE_SAF|FAMAE SAF]] built under license in Brazil, appears in Max Payne 3 as the "SAF .40" fitted with a PDW-style folding stock. Mainly used by UFE police in their station toward the end of the game.
[[Image:Taurus MT-40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus MT-40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-49-28-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
A [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4 Super 90]] is available throughout the game as the "M4 Super 90". It is shown with a 4-shot tube magazine, even for the "gold" version which has a capacity of 7 rounds.
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 4-shot tube - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-09-55-61.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]

==Franchi SPAS-15==
The [[Franchi_SPAS-15|Franchi SPAS-15]] appears in the game as a high-level shotgun, first used by a mob hitman in the New York cemetery. The SPAS-15 holds less rounds and has more pellet spread than the Benelli M4, but it offers much faster reload times by holding those rounds in a detachable box magazine.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-01-25-75.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-25 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]

==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
The [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] appears in the game as the "M500". It is seen with a pistol grip, wooden furniture, an aftermarket wire folding stock, and an extended magazine tube. Seen mostly by the lower gang echelon enemies in the game, this shotgun provides the fastest turn rate of all the shotguns, while sacrificing its accuracy at even mid range distances.
[[Image:Mossbergcruiser1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-19-44-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 590 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m500 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]

==Remington 11-87==
A [[Remington 11-87]] with a pistol grip stock appears in game relatively uncommonly as the "Super Sport".
[[Image:11-87sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 11-87 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-05-59-18.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]

==Sawed-Off Remington SBS==
A [[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed-Off Remington SBS]] appears a few times, referred to as simply the "Sawn-Off" and counted as a one-handed gun for inventory purposes. Max can, appropriately, find one in the hands of the bartender of a seedy strip club he shoots up.
[[Image:Remington_SBS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Sawed-Off Remington SBS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-10-03-69.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]

=Rifles=

==AK-47==
The [[AK-47#AK-47|AK-47]] is available all throughout Brazil, commonly used by street thugs, although it is replaced by higher-end weapons towards the end of the game. The AK-47 is first found in the burnt out apartment building next to Max's apartment in the New York flash back levels. The AK-47 is also a starting weapon in the multiplayer mode.
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Izhmash AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]

==FN FAL 50.00==
The [[FN_FAL#FN_FAL|FN FAL]] is commonly used by Brazilian gangsters, paramilitary units and police; given the location it is probably supposed to be the IMBEL-manufactured M964 version, though this is just a standard FAL. Though it shares ammo with the 5.56mm weapons, it has a standard FAL magazine. This does not change on the gold version, despite the capacity increasing to 30 rounds.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-08-08-53.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-14-54-31.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FFN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36V==
The police special units use the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36|Heckler & Koch G36V]]. The dual rows of gas vents (which should actually be a single row of serpentine vents) and low scope mount seem to indicate it is supposed to be an FX-05 Xiuhcoatl, but the ejection port placement indicates that in real life it would be a dressed-up G36. It is also fitted with a custom stock that appears to be a combination of the standard G36 skeletal stock and a standard solid stock. Called "G6 Commando" in-game. The golden upgrade has a Beta C-Mag that only holds 40 rounds; Brazilian paramilitary police can also be seen with this configuration, and sometimes their guns spawn with both the C-Mag and the normal magazine in place. Three regular G36s can be seen in the armoury of the derelict hotel.
[[Image:G36.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36V (formerly G36E) with export optical sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FX-05 Xiuhcoatl for comparison - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-05-17-79.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fx-05 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g6 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]

==IMBEL MD-97 LC==
The [[IMBEL MD-97|IMBEL MD-97 LC]] is a fairly uncommon assault rifle, mostly used by paramilitaries. It's incorrectly designated as the "MD-97L". That designation is for the full-length rifle, which the MD-97 featured in-game is not.
[[File:Imbel MD97LC.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Imbel MD 97 LC - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-50-21-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 md viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]

==Ruger Mini-30==
The [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_Mini-30|Ruger Mini-30]] is called by the proper "Mini-30" in-game (sans the "Ruger" brand), and is seen with a Butler Creek folding stock. It's mostly seen in the beginning of the game, including the first chapter, with a 10 round magazine. Though partway though the helicopter sequence, in a continuity error, Max is briefly shown with a 30-round curved magazine in his Mini-30. Several snipers use them with laser sights as late as the final chapter.
[[File:RugerMini30NewSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stainless Ruger Mini-30 new production model semiautomatic rifle with flush factory five round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-20-23-29.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3_mini_30_gold_viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-21-02-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scoped.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 gold .jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]

==Colt M4==
An [[M4]] assault rifle has been confirmed to be in the upcoming multiplayer DLC pack: ''Local Justice''. It is the only new firearm to be added to the multiplayer thus far.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:MP3_M4.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A San Paolo-ian Police Officer fires his flat-topped M4 in a new multiplayer map.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Barrett M107==
Max uses a [[Barrett M107]] anti-materiel rifle in the soccer stadium to cover Passos in the third chapter and it is seen used by snipers several times, including Passos himself.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M107 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-19-05-95.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107l in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G3SG/1==
A scoped [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#Heckler_.26_Koch_G3SG.2F1|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1]] appears as the FMP G3S. The lack of cheek rest on the stock indicates that it's a scoped G3 instead of a G3SG/1 or MSG90.
[[Image:H&KSG1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 - 7.62x51mm NATO. The in-game rifle resembles this, but has no cheek rest.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 16-51-46-81.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]

=Machine Guns=
With both machine guns, the reload animations show Max mounting a new drum / belt box and pulling the charging handle, but do ''not'' have a stage showing him mounting the new belt, which is simply shown in the mounted position on the drum / belt box model itself as it is inserted.

==Heckler & Koch HK21==
The [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK21|Heckler & Koch HK21]] with the bipod is seen several times as the LMG .30. In a speedboat chase it is used with the correct belt box and has unlimited ammo, while later levels have it with an RPD-style 100-round drum and limited ammunition, usually only having at time about 33 rounds left in the magazine even if the enemy holding the weapon is killed before using it once. Several times, heavily armored enemies are encountered wielding the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns|Heckler & Koch HK21]], holding it by the stock and somehow firing it. Though the "LMG .30" designation is strange, it is technically correct; .30 caliber equates to 7.62 millimeter, the round for which the HK21 is chambered.
[[Image:HK21MachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK21 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-54-54-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-24-19-59.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk21 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]

==RPD==
The [[RPD|RPD]] with the bipod removed appears in the game starting in Chapter 12. The 100-round drum only holds 75 rounds on the normal version of the weapon, though the "gold" version has the correct capacity.
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]

=Launchers=

==DefTech 37mm Launcher==
The [[DefTech 37mm Launcher]] appears as the Grenade Launcher with a 6-round cylinder, available in a few levels. It is most prominently given to Max in the final chase sequence with 100 rounds of ammunition. As with the grenades shown in the game, rounds from this weapon have a flashing light added to make them easier to see, and can be shot down with gunfire.
[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech grenade launcher with folding stock - 37mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 granatnik viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 gl gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]

==M72A2 LAW==
The [[M72 LAW]] appears as the LAW and is used in Chapter 13 to destroy an armored UFE truck. It is correctly depicted as a single shot weapon, but an NPC gangster using one is accidentally holding an invisible RPG foregrip (Max and all others use it correctly).
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]

==RPG-7==
The [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] appears as the RPG.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-52-38-62.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-11-84.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-17-88.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]

=Other=
==ARSENAL==
In several points in the game, the player comes across several cabinets and lockers of unusable firearms. Some that appear are the [[Mossberg 590]] with wooden furniture, [[Ruger Mini-14 GB]] with wooden stock and an [[MP5A3]].
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|MP5A3.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mini 14.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590.]]

=See Also=
'''Video Games:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]]'' - The first game in the series.
* ''[[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]]'' - The first sequel.
'''Film:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (2008)|Max Payne]]'' - The film, based loosely on the videogame series.
[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Third-Person Shooter]]

Max Payne 3

2012-08-24T18:07:14Z

Sopher: /* Heckler & Koch MP5/40 */

{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Max Payne 3
|picture = Mp3cover1.jpg
|caption = ''Offical Boxart''
|series= [[Max Payne (disambiguation)|Max Payne]]
|date= 2012
|developer=Rockstar Studios
|platforms=Xbox 360 Playstation 3 PC
|publisher=Rockstar Games
|genre=Third-Person Shooter
}}

'''''Max Payne 3''''' is the third game in the ''[[Max Payne]]'' third-person shooter franchise, developed by Rockstar Games and published by Take-Two interactive. Abandoning the film noir detective plotlines of previous games, it instead takes the story eight years after the events of ''[[Max Payne 2]]'', with Max having quit the NYPD to become a private security guard for the rich and influential Branco family. Following a series of raids by mysterious armed thugs, Max finds himself on a rescue mission, but as ever things are more complicated than they seem.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the video game ''Max Payne 3'':'''
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=Overview=

''Max Payne 3'' dispenses with the mostly-limitless inventory of the prior games, instead allowing Max to carry two one-handed weapons and one two-handed weapon, which he will hold in his left hand if using a one-handed weapon. If he is not carrying a two-handed weapon he is able to dual-wield any combination of one-handed weapons he is carrying. When dual-wielding weapons, Max must fire both weapons simultaneously (and not independently like other videogames) Weapon reload animations are altered depending on Max's current loadout and whether or not he is in cover; awkward positioning results in longer reload times. Ammunition is for the most part divided by weapon class; for example, ammunition for the 5.56mm G36V also works in the 7.62mm FAL. This means when a player dual-wields the same weapon, each weapon is actually a copy of the other, sharing the exact ammunition "pool". After intense firefights, various types of magazines and shell casings from each weapon used can be found throughout the battleground.

As with previous installments the game's gunplay is heavily influenced by "Hong Kong Action" movies, with the same slow motion "bullet time" and "shootdodge" abilities, though Max will now collide heavily with objects and surfaces if he shootdodges into them rather than just brushing against them until the animation completes. While the game discards the "in the zone" mechanic of ''Max Payne 2'' which allowed for showy slow-motion reloads, it retains the "bullet cam" showing the last enemy in a room's death, now rendered in far more grisly detail due to a new damage modelling system which shows both entry and exit wounds. The player is also has the ability to slow down the "killcam", allowing for the spinning effect of the bullet as well as its caliber noticed mid flight. As with previous games in the series, each bullet is treated as a physical projectile with defined speed rather than using hitscans.

Throughout the game, secret "gold" weapon parts can be found, each gold weapon requiring three parts. Typically the gold weapons have larger magazines, and sometimes are altered cosmetically to reflect this. Weapons can sometimes be found with modifications such as red dot scopes or flashlights, though in singleplayer the player has no influence over what upgrades they will have or when they will appear. However the player is able to disable the modifications by use of the "Select" button on either the PS3 or the XBOX 360 controller

=Handguns=

==Colt M1911A1==
The [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] (simply referred to as a 1911) is a fairly common handgun throughout the game. The gun is fired as if it is double-action-only, which is incorrect. The M1911 offers higher damage then the previous pistols, but only holds 8 rounds inside the magazine. First time the handgun is used is during the New York flashback levels
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]

==Glock 17==
[[Glock 17#Glock 17 (Converted to Full Auto)|Full-auto Glock 17s]] are available in several levels as the Auto 9mm, and is the starting handgun in Chapter 11. These Glocks come with Glock 18C-style the compensator ports on the top of the slide. The Glock 17 has the same damage of that as the [[PT92]] but offers instead faster RPM and magazine size (which when fully upgraded can have up to 33 rounds per magazine). Depending on the players progress, the model of the gun will have an extended magazine if all golden gun parts are found.

Note that this is not a Glock 17C, as the Glock 17C has a completely different compensator design.
[[Image:Glock17ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 converted to full auto with 33 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-00-80.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-20-32.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock 18c gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]

==IMI/Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
The [[Desert Eagle]] makes a return in Max Payne 3 as the DE .50. The Desert Eagle shown in the game is a hybrid, with a Mark VII barrel (distinguished by the lack of scope rail mounts) but a Mark XIX slide (distinguished by the taller cocking serrations). Despite being in almost every promotional screenshot and concept art, the pistol only appears a handful of times with extremely limited ammunition; unusually for the game, it has its own unique ammunition supply rather than using the general reserve for pistols.
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle MK VII with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|400px|none|Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50 AE]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-39-08-55.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle Gold Viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 desert eagle 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 20==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 20]] Heavy Barrel is a common low-level handgun throughout the game, first seen in Chapter 2 in the hands of thugs on the dance floor. The .38 offers higher stopping power than the [[PT92]] but only holds 6 shells at a time. Interestingly, the cylinder does not rotate during "killcam" moments.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel20.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 - .38/44]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-36-21-13.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 model 20 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]

==Taurus Model 608==
The [[Taurus 608]] referred to in game as the 608 Bull, is a relatively uncommon revolver, but can be found more commonly than it's semi automatic counter part, the [[Desert Eagle]]. The "Bull" designation would suggest this is supposed to be the Taurus Raging Bull, but it's actually based on the model 608 as the in-game weapon is chambered for .357 and has an eight-shot capacity. Unlike the .38 Revolver which uses a speed loader, Max loads each individual shell at once, most likely for balancing reasons. When the "killcam" focuses on the .608, the cylinder can be seen rotating.
[[Image:Taurus_608.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 608 with 6.5" barrel and a matte finish- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-01-05-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus model 608 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]

==Taurus PT92 AF==
Standing in for Max's signature [[Beretta 92FS]] sidearm is its Brazilian cousin, the [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92 AF]], which surprisingly appears under the correct moniker of "PT92." The PT92 shown in the game is a modern production version with large cocking serrations. Though it can be found with a flashlight, it does not have an accessory rail, the light simply being shown mounted to the bottom of the frame. The light - similarly to [[Battlefield 3]] - can blind enemies when aimed at them. The PT92 is a more common pistol in the game, second to the [[Glock 17]] for highest handgun magazine capacity. It can be seen in several variations through the single player, such as with wooden grips in Chapter 12. When infiltrating the derelict hotel, Max fits his PT92 with an improvised suppressor made from duct tape and a water bottle in a cinematic. While the suppressor lasts longer than it would in real life, it does lose effectiveness very quickly. After Max discards the suppressor, the tape remains wrapped around the gun.
[[Image:PT92AFRail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT92AF blued (current production model with accessory rails) - 9x19mm. The version in the game does not have a rail.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-15-29-64.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 18-56-30-08.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 silenced lighter gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-58-15-41.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 improwizowany tlumik.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 PT92 sd lighter.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Heckler & Koch MP5/40==
The [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5.2F10_and_MP5.2F40|Heckler & Koch MP5/40]] Called the "MPK" in-game. The weapon has the shape of a [[MP5]] but the paddle magazine release is on the ''front'' of the magazine well. It also has straight magazines, similar to the MP5/40 or MP5/10; these normally contain 20 rounds, though the gold weapon ups this to 30. Though the MP5/40 usually loads from 30 round magazines in real life, this was likely changed for balance reasons.
[[File:MP540.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]

==IMI Mini UZI==
An [[IMI Mini Uzi]] is available throughout the game starting from the second chapter as the Micro 9mm.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Mini Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-39-14-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]

==Ingram MAC-10==
The [[MAC-10|Ingram MAC-10]] are commonly used by mob hitmen in the New York/New Jersey flashbacks, as the M10.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]

==Taurus M972==
The [[Beretta_M12#Taurus_M972|Taurus M972]] is featured as the "M972". For some reason the folding stock and foregrip have been removed from the in-game weapon, which allows for Max to store it in his shoulder holsters. Found rather uncommonly in the game, first instance being during the Favela levels
[[File:Taurus M972.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus M972 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-09-46-50.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus m972 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]

==Taurus MT-40==
The [[SIG_SG_540#Taurus_MT-40|Taurus MT-40]], a .40 caliber version of the Chilean [[SIG_SG_540#FAMAE_SAF|FAMAE SAF]] built under license in Brazil, appears in Max Payne 3 as the "SAF .40" fitted with a PDW-style folding stock. Mainly used by UFE police in their station toward the end of the game.
[[Image:Taurus MT-40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus MT-40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-49-28-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
A [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4 Super 90]] is available throughout the game as the "M4 Super 90". It is shown with a 4-shot tube magazine, even for the "gold" version which has a capacity of 7 rounds.
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 4-shot tube - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-09-55-61.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]

==Franchi SPAS-15==
The [[Franchi_SPAS-15|Franchi SPAS-15]] appears in the game as a high-level shotgun, first used by a mob hitman in the New York cemetery. The SPAS-15 holds less rounds and has more pellet spread than the Benelli M4, but it offers much faster reload times by holding those rounds in a detachable box magazine.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-01-25-75.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-25 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]

==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
The [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] appears in the game as the "M500". It is seen with a pistol grip, wooden furniture, an aftermarket wire folding stock, and an extended magazine tube. Seen mostly by the lower gang echelon enemies in the game, this shotgun provides the fastest turn rate of all the shotguns, while sacrificing its accuracy at even mid range distances.
[[Image:Mossbergcruiser1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-19-44-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 590 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m500 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]

==Remington 11-87==
A [[Remington 11-87]] with a pistol grip stock appears in game relatively uncommonly as the "Super Sport".
[[Image:11-87sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 11-87 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-05-59-18.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]

==Sawed-Off Remington SBS==
A [[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed-Off Remington SBS]] appears a few times, referred to as simply the "Sawn-Off" and counted as a one-handed gun for inventory purposes. Max can, appropriately, find one in the hands of the bartender of a seedy strip club he shoots up.
[[Image:Remington_SBS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Sawed-Off Remington SBS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-10-03-69.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]

=Rifles=

==AK-47==
The [[AK-47#AK-47|AK-47]] is available all throughout Brazil, commonly used by street thugs, although it is replaced by higher-end weapons towards the end of the game. The AK-47 is first found in the burnt out apartment building next to Max's apartment in the New York flash back levels. The AK-47 is also a starting weapon in the multiplayer mode.
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Izhmash AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]

==FN FAL 50.00==
The [[FN_FAL#FN_FAL|FN FAL]] is commonly used by Brazilian gangsters, paramilitary units and police; given the location it is probably supposed to be the IMBEL-manufactured M964 version, though this is just a standard FAL. Though it shares ammo with the 5.56mm weapons, it has a standard FAL magazine. This does not change on the gold version, despite the capacity increasing to 30 rounds.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-08-08-53.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-14-54-31.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FFN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36V==
The police special units use the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36|Heckler & Koch G36V]]. The dual rows of gas vents (which should actually be a single row of serpentine vents) and low scope mount seem to indicate it is supposed to be an FX-05 Xiuhcoatl, but the ejection port placement indicates that in real life it would be a dressed-up G36. It is also fitted with a custom stock that appears to be a combination of the standard G36 skeletal stock and a standard solid stock. Called "G6 Commando" in-game. The golden upgrade has a Beta C-Mag that only holds 40 rounds; Brazilian paramilitary police can also be seen with this configuration, and sometimes their guns spawn with both the C-Mag and the normal magazine in place. Three regular G36s can be seen in the armoury of the derelict hotel.
[[Image:G36.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36V (formerly G36E) with export optical sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FX-05 Xiuhcoatl for comparison - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-05-17-79.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fx-05 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g6 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]

==IMBEL MD-97 LC==
The [[IMBEL MD-97|IMBEL MD-97 LC]] is a fairly uncommon assault rifle, mostly used by paramilitaries. It's incorrectly designated as the "MD-97L". That designation is for the full-length rifle, which the MD-97 featured in-game is not.
[[File:Imbel MD97LC.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Imbel MD 97 LC - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-50-21-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 md viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]

==Ruger Mini-30==
The [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_Mini-30|Ruger Mini-30]] is called by the proper "Mini-30" in-game (sans the "Ruger" brand), and is seen with a Butler Creek folding stock. It's mostly seen in the beginning of the game, including the first chapter, with a 10 round magazine. Though partway though the helicopter sequence, in a continuity error, Max is briefly shown with a 30-round curved magazine in his Mini-30. Several snipers use them with laser sights as late as the final chapter.
[[File:RugerMini30NewSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stainless Ruger Mini-30 new production model semiautomatic rifle with flush factory five round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-20-23-29.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3_mini_30_gold_viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-21-02-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scoped.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 gold .jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]

==Colt M4==
An [[M4]] assault rifle has been confirmed to be in the upcoming multiplayer DLC pack: ''Local Justice''. It is the only new firearm to be added to the multiplayer thus far.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:MP3_M4.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A San Paolo-ian Police Officer fires his flat-topped M4 in a new multiplayer map.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Barrett M107==
Max uses a [[Barrett M107]] anti-materiel rifle in the soccer stadium to cover Passos in the third chapter and it is seen used by snipers several times, including Passos himself.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M107 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-19-05-95.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107l in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G3SG/1==
A scoped [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#Heckler_.26_Koch_G3SG.2F1|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1]] appears as the FMP G3S. The lack of cheek rest on the stock indicates that it's a scoped G3 instead of a G3SG/1 or MSG90.
[[Image:H&KSG1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 - 7.62x51mm NATO. The in-game rifle resembles this, but has no cheek rest.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 16-51-46-81.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]

=Machine Guns=
With both machine guns, the reload animations show Max mounting a new drum / belt box and pulling the charging handle, but do ''not'' have a stage showing him mounting the new belt, which is simply shown in the mounted position on the drum / belt box model itself as it is inserted.

==Heckler & Koch HK21==
The [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK21|Heckler & Koch HK21]] with the bipod is seen several times as the LMG .30. In a speedboat chase it is used with the correct belt box and has unlimited ammo, while later levels have it with an RPD-style 100-round drum and limited ammunition, usually only having at time about 33 rounds left in the magazine even if the enemy holding the weapon is killed before using it once. Several times, heavily armored enemies are encountered wielding the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns|Heckler & Koch HK21]], holding it by the stock and somehow firing it.
[[Image:HK21MachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK21 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-54-54-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-24-19-59.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk21 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]

==RPD==
The [[RPD|RPD]] with the bipod removed appears in the game starting in Chapter 12. The 100-round drum only holds 75 rounds on the normal version of the weapon, though the "gold" version has the correct capacity.
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]

=Launchers=

==DefTech 37mm Launcher==
The [[DefTech 37mm Launcher]] appears as the Grenade Launcher with a 6-round cylinder, available in a few levels. It is most prominently given to Max in the final chase sequence with 100 rounds of ammunition. As with the grenades shown in the game, rounds from this weapon have a flashing light added to make them easier to see, and can be shot down with gunfire.
[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech grenade launcher with folding stock - 37mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 granatnik viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 gl gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]

==M72A2 LAW==
The [[M72 LAW]] appears as the LAW and is used in Chapter 13 to destroy an armored UFE truck. It is correctly depicted as a single shot weapon, but an NPC gangster using one is accidentally holding an invisible RPG foregrip (Max and all others use it correctly).
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]

==RPG-7==
The [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] appears as the RPG.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-52-38-62.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-11-84.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-17-88.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]

=Other=
==ARSENAL==
In several points in the game, the player comes across several cabinets and lockers of unusable firearms. Some that appear are the [[Mossberg 590]] with wooden furniture, [[Ruger Mini-14 GB]] with wooden stock and an [[MP5A3]].
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|MP5A3.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mini 14.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590.]]

=See Also=
'''Video Games:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]]'' - The first game in the series.
* ''[[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]]'' - The first sequel.
'''Film:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (2008)|Max Payne]]'' - The film, based loosely on the videogame series.
[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Third-Person Shooter]]

Max Payne 3

2012-08-24T18:03:57Z

Sopher: /* Taurus PT92 AF */

{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Max Payne 3
|picture = Mp3cover1.jpg
|caption = ''Offical Boxart''
|series= [[Max Payne (disambiguation)|Max Payne]]
|date= 2012
|developer=Rockstar Studios
|platforms=Xbox 360 Playstation 3 PC
|publisher=Rockstar Games
|genre=Third-Person Shooter
}}

'''''Max Payne 3''''' is the third game in the ''[[Max Payne]]'' third-person shooter franchise, developed by Rockstar Games and published by Take-Two interactive. Abandoning the film noir detective plotlines of previous games, it instead takes the story eight years after the events of ''[[Max Payne 2]]'', with Max having quit the NYPD to become a private security guard for the rich and influential Branco family. Following a series of raids by mysterious armed thugs, Max finds himself on a rescue mission, but as ever things are more complicated than they seem.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the video game ''Max Payne 3'':'''
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=Overview=

''Max Payne 3'' dispenses with the mostly-limitless inventory of the prior games, instead allowing Max to carry two one-handed weapons and one two-handed weapon, which he will hold in his left hand if using a one-handed weapon. If he is not carrying a two-handed weapon he is able to dual-wield any combination of one-handed weapons he is carrying. When dual-wielding weapons, Max must fire both weapons simultaneously (and not independently like other videogames) Weapon reload animations are altered depending on Max's current loadout and whether or not he is in cover; awkward positioning results in longer reload times. Ammunition is for the most part divided by weapon class; for example, ammunition for the 5.56mm G36V also works in the 7.62mm FAL. This means when a player dual-wields the same weapon, each weapon is actually a copy of the other, sharing the exact ammunition "pool". After intense firefights, various types of magazines and shell casings from each weapon used can be found throughout the battleground.

As with previous installments the game's gunplay is heavily influenced by "Hong Kong Action" movies, with the same slow motion "bullet time" and "shootdodge" abilities, though Max will now collide heavily with objects and surfaces if he shootdodges into them rather than just brushing against them until the animation completes. While the game discards the "in the zone" mechanic of ''Max Payne 2'' which allowed for showy slow-motion reloads, it retains the "bullet cam" showing the last enemy in a room's death, now rendered in far more grisly detail due to a new damage modelling system which shows both entry and exit wounds. The player is also has the ability to slow down the "killcam", allowing for the spinning effect of the bullet as well as its caliber noticed mid flight. As with previous games in the series, each bullet is treated as a physical projectile with defined speed rather than using hitscans.

Throughout the game, secret "gold" weapon parts can be found, each gold weapon requiring three parts. Typically the gold weapons have larger magazines, and sometimes are altered cosmetically to reflect this. Weapons can sometimes be found with modifications such as red dot scopes or flashlights, though in singleplayer the player has no influence over what upgrades they will have or when they will appear. However the player is able to disable the modifications by use of the "Select" button on either the PS3 or the XBOX 360 controller

=Handguns=

==Colt M1911A1==
The [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] (simply referred to as a 1911) is a fairly common handgun throughout the game. The gun is fired as if it is double-action-only, which is incorrect. The M1911 offers higher damage then the previous pistols, but only holds 8 rounds inside the magazine. First time the handgun is used is during the New York flashback levels
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]

==Glock 17==
[[Glock 17#Glock 17 (Converted to Full Auto)|Full-auto Glock 17s]] are available in several levels as the Auto 9mm, and is the starting handgun in Chapter 11. These Glocks come with Glock 18C-style the compensator ports on the top of the slide. The Glock 17 has the same damage of that as the [[PT92]] but offers instead faster RPM and magazine size (which when fully upgraded can have up to 33 rounds per magazine). Depending on the players progress, the model of the gun will have an extended magazine if all golden gun parts are found.

Note that this is not a Glock 17C, as the Glock 17C has a completely different compensator design.
[[Image:Glock17ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 converted to full auto with 33 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-00-80.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-20-32.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock 18c gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]

==IMI/Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
The [[Desert Eagle]] makes a return in Max Payne 3 as the DE .50. The Desert Eagle shown in the game is a hybrid, with a Mark VII barrel (distinguished by the lack of scope rail mounts) but a Mark XIX slide (distinguished by the taller cocking serrations). Despite being in almost every promotional screenshot and concept art, the pistol only appears a handful of times with extremely limited ammunition; unusually for the game, it has its own unique ammunition supply rather than using the general reserve for pistols.
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle MK VII with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|400px|none|Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50 AE]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-39-08-55.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle Gold Viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 desert eagle 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 20==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 20]] Heavy Barrel is a common low-level handgun throughout the game, first seen in Chapter 2 in the hands of thugs on the dance floor. The .38 offers higher stopping power than the [[PT92]] but only holds 6 shells at a time. Interestingly, the cylinder does not rotate during "killcam" moments.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel20.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 - .38/44]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-36-21-13.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 model 20 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]

==Taurus Model 608==
The [[Taurus 608]] referred to in game as the 608 Bull, is a relatively uncommon revolver, but can be found more commonly than it's semi automatic counter part, the [[Desert Eagle]]. The "Bull" designation would suggest this is supposed to be the Taurus Raging Bull, but it's actually based on the model 608 as the in-game weapon is chambered for .357 and has an eight-shot capacity. Unlike the .38 Revolver which uses a speed loader, Max loads each individual shell at once, most likely for balancing reasons. When the "killcam" focuses on the .608, the cylinder can be seen rotating.
[[Image:Taurus_608.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 608 with 6.5" barrel and a matte finish- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-01-05-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus model 608 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]

==Taurus PT92 AF==
Standing in for Max's signature [[Beretta 92FS]] sidearm is its Brazilian cousin, the [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92 AF]], which surprisingly appears under the correct moniker of "PT92." The PT92 shown in the game is a modern production version with large cocking serrations. Though it can be found with a flashlight, it does not have an accessory rail, the light simply being shown mounted to the bottom of the frame. The light - similarly to [[Battlefield 3]] - can blind enemies when aimed at them. The PT92 is a more common pistol in the game, second to the [[Glock 17]] for highest handgun magazine capacity. It can be seen in several variations through the single player, such as with wooden grips in Chapter 12. When infiltrating the derelict hotel, Max fits his PT92 with an improvised suppressor made from duct tape and a water bottle in a cinematic. While the suppressor lasts longer than it would in real life, it does lose effectiveness very quickly. After Max discards the suppressor, the tape remains wrapped around the gun.
[[Image:PT92AFRail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT92AF blued (current production model with accessory rails) - 9x19mm. The version in the game does not have a rail.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-15-29-64.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 18-56-30-08.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 silenced lighter gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-58-15-41.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 improwizowany tlumik.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 PT92 sd lighter.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Heckler & Koch MP5/40==
The [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5.2F10_and_MP5.2F40|Heckler & Koch MP5/40]] Called the "MPK" in-game. The weapon has the shape of a [[MP5]] but the paddle magazine release is on the ''front'' of the magazine well. It also has straight magazines, similar to the MP5/40 or MP5/10; these normally contain 20 rounds, though the gold weapon ups this to 30.
[[File:MP540.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]

==IMI Mini UZI==
An [[IMI Mini Uzi]] is available throughout the game starting from the second chapter as the Micro 9mm.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Mini Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-39-14-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]

==Ingram MAC-10==
The [[MAC-10|Ingram MAC-10]] are commonly used by mob hitmen in the New York/New Jersey flashbacks, as the M10.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]

==Taurus M972==
The [[Beretta_M12#Taurus_M972|Taurus M972]] is featured as the "M972". For some reason the folding stock and foregrip have been removed from the in-game weapon, which allows for Max to store it in his shoulder holsters. Found rather uncommonly in the game, first instance being during the Favela levels
[[File:Taurus M972.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus M972 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-09-46-50.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus m972 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]

==Taurus MT-40==
The [[SIG_SG_540#Taurus_MT-40|Taurus MT-40]], a .40 caliber version of the Chilean [[SIG_SG_540#FAMAE_SAF|FAMAE SAF]] built under license in Brazil, appears in Max Payne 3 as the "SAF .40" fitted with a PDW-style folding stock. Mainly used by UFE police in their station toward the end of the game.
[[Image:Taurus MT-40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus MT-40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-49-28-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
A [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4 Super 90]] is available throughout the game as the "M4 Super 90". It is shown with a 4-shot tube magazine, even for the "gold" version which has a capacity of 7 rounds.
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 4-shot tube - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-09-55-61.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]

==Franchi SPAS-15==
The [[Franchi_SPAS-15|Franchi SPAS-15]] appears in the game as a high-level shotgun, first used by a mob hitman in the New York cemetery. The SPAS-15 holds less rounds and has more pellet spread than the Benelli M4, but it offers much faster reload times by holding those rounds in a detachable box magazine.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-01-25-75.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-25 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]

==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
The [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] appears in the game as the "M500". It is seen with a pistol grip, wooden furniture, an aftermarket wire folding stock, and an extended magazine tube. Seen mostly by the lower gang echelon enemies in the game, this shotgun provides the fastest turn rate of all the shotguns, while sacrificing its accuracy at even mid range distances.
[[Image:Mossbergcruiser1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-19-44-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 590 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m500 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]

==Remington 11-87==
A [[Remington 11-87]] with a pistol grip stock appears in game relatively uncommonly as the "Super Sport".
[[Image:11-87sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 11-87 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-05-59-18.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]

==Sawed-Off Remington SBS==
A [[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed-Off Remington SBS]] appears a few times, referred to as simply the "Sawn-Off" and counted as a one-handed gun for inventory purposes. Max can, appropriately, find one in the hands of the bartender of a seedy strip club he shoots up.
[[Image:Remington_SBS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Sawed-Off Remington SBS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-10-03-69.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]

=Rifles=

==AK-47==
The [[AK-47#AK-47|AK-47]] is available all throughout Brazil, commonly used by street thugs, although it is replaced by higher-end weapons towards the end of the game. The AK-47 is first found in the burnt out apartment building next to Max's apartment in the New York flash back levels. The AK-47 is also a starting weapon in the multiplayer mode.
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Izhmash AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]

==FN FAL 50.00==
The [[FN_FAL#FN_FAL|FN FAL]] is commonly used by Brazilian gangsters, paramilitary units and police; given the location it is probably supposed to be the IMBEL-manufactured M964 version, though this is just a standard FAL. Though it shares ammo with the 5.56mm weapons, it has a standard FAL magazine. This does not change on the gold version, despite the capacity increasing to 30 rounds.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-08-08-53.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-14-54-31.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FFN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36V==
The police special units use the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36|Heckler & Koch G36V]]. The dual rows of gas vents (which should actually be a single row of serpentine vents) and low scope mount seem to indicate it is supposed to be an FX-05 Xiuhcoatl, but the ejection port placement indicates that in real life it would be a dressed-up G36. It is also fitted with a custom stock that appears to be a combination of the standard G36 skeletal stock and a standard solid stock. Called "G6 Commando" in-game. The golden upgrade has a Beta C-Mag that only holds 40 rounds; Brazilian paramilitary police can also be seen with this configuration, and sometimes their guns spawn with both the C-Mag and the normal magazine in place. Three regular G36s can be seen in the armoury of the derelict hotel.
[[Image:G36.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36V (formerly G36E) with export optical sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FX-05 Xiuhcoatl for comparison - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-05-17-79.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fx-05 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g6 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]

==IMBEL MD-97 LC==
The [[IMBEL MD-97|IMBEL MD-97 LC]] is a fairly uncommon assault rifle, mostly used by paramilitaries. It's incorrectly designated as the "MD-97L". That designation is for the full-length rifle, which the MD-97 featured in-game is not.
[[File:Imbel MD97LC.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Imbel MD 97 LC - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-50-21-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 md viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]

==Ruger Mini-30==
The [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_Mini-30|Ruger Mini-30]] is called by the proper "Mini-30" in-game (sans the "Ruger" brand), and is seen with a Butler Creek folding stock. It's mostly seen in the beginning of the game, including the first chapter, with a 10 round magazine. Though partway though the helicopter sequence, in a continuity error, Max is briefly shown with a 30-round curved magazine in his Mini-30. Several snipers use them with laser sights as late as the final chapter.
[[File:RugerMini30NewSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stainless Ruger Mini-30 new production model semiautomatic rifle with flush factory five round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-20-23-29.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3_mini_30_gold_viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-21-02-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scoped.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 gold .jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]

==Colt M4==
An [[M4]] assault rifle has been confirmed to be in the upcoming multiplayer DLC pack: ''Local Justice''. It is the only new firearm to be added to the multiplayer thus far.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:MP3_M4.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A San Paolo-ian Police Officer fires his flat-topped M4 in a new multiplayer map.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Barrett M107==
Max uses a [[Barrett M107]] anti-materiel rifle in the soccer stadium to cover Passos in the third chapter and it is seen used by snipers several times, including Passos himself.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M107 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-19-05-95.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107l in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G3SG/1==
A scoped [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#Heckler_.26_Koch_G3SG.2F1|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1]] appears as the FMP G3S. The lack of cheek rest on the stock indicates that it's a scoped G3 instead of a G3SG/1 or MSG90.
[[Image:H&KSG1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 - 7.62x51mm NATO. The in-game rifle resembles this, but has no cheek rest.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 16-51-46-81.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]

=Machine Guns=
With both machine guns, the reload animations show Max mounting a new drum / belt box and pulling the charging handle, but do ''not'' have a stage showing him mounting the new belt, which is simply shown in the mounted position on the drum / belt box model itself as it is inserted.

==Heckler & Koch HK21==
The [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK21|Heckler & Koch HK21]] with the bipod is seen several times as the LMG .30. In a speedboat chase it is used with the correct belt box and has unlimited ammo, while later levels have it with an RPD-style 100-round drum and limited ammunition, usually only having at time about 33 rounds left in the magazine even if the enemy holding the weapon is killed before using it once. Several times, heavily armored enemies are encountered wielding the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns|Heckler & Koch HK21]], holding it by the stock and somehow firing it.
[[Image:HK21MachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK21 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-54-54-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-24-19-59.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk21 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]

==RPD==
The [[RPD|RPD]] with the bipod removed appears in the game starting in Chapter 12. The 100-round drum only holds 75 rounds on the normal version of the weapon, though the "gold" version has the correct capacity.
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]

=Launchers=

==DefTech 37mm Launcher==
The [[DefTech 37mm Launcher]] appears as the Grenade Launcher with a 6-round cylinder, available in a few levels. It is most prominently given to Max in the final chase sequence with 100 rounds of ammunition. As with the grenades shown in the game, rounds from this weapon have a flashing light added to make them easier to see, and can be shot down with gunfire.
[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech grenade launcher with folding stock - 37mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 granatnik viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 gl gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]

==M72A2 LAW==
The [[M72 LAW]] appears as the LAW and is used in Chapter 13 to destroy an armored UFE truck. It is correctly depicted as a single shot weapon, but an NPC gangster using one is accidentally holding an invisible RPG foregrip (Max and all others use it correctly).
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]

==RPG-7==
The [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] appears as the RPG.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-52-38-62.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-11-84.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-17-88.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]

=Other=
==ARSENAL==
In several points in the game, the player comes across several cabinets and lockers of unusable firearms. Some that appear are the [[Mossberg 590]] with wooden furniture, [[Ruger Mini-14 GB]] with wooden stock and an [[MP5A3]].
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|MP5A3.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mini 14.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590.]]

=See Also=
'''Video Games:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]]'' - The first game in the series.
* ''[[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]]'' - The first sequel.
'''Film:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (2008)|Max Payne]]'' - The film, based loosely on the videogame series.
[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Third-Person Shooter]]

Max Payne 3

2012-08-24T18:00:52Z

Sopher:

{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Max Payne 3
|picture = Mp3cover1.jpg
|caption = ''Offical Boxart''
|series= [[Max Payne (disambiguation)|Max Payne]]
|date= 2012
|developer=Rockstar Studios
|platforms=Xbox 360 Playstation 3 PC
|publisher=Rockstar Games
|genre=Third-Person Shooter
}}

'''''Max Payne 3''''' is the third game in the ''[[Max Payne]]'' third-person shooter franchise, developed by Rockstar Games and published by Take-Two interactive. Abandoning the film noir detective plotlines of previous games, it instead takes the story eight years after the events of ''[[Max Payne 2]]'', with Max having quit the NYPD to become a private security guard for the rich and influential Branco family. Following a series of raids by mysterious armed thugs, Max finds himself on a rescue mission, but as ever things are more complicated than they seem.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the video game ''Max Payne 3'':'''
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=Overview=

''Max Payne 3'' dispenses with the mostly-limitless inventory of the prior games, instead allowing Max to carry two one-handed weapons and one two-handed weapon, which he will hold in his left hand if using a one-handed weapon. If he is not carrying a two-handed weapon he is able to dual-wield any combination of one-handed weapons he is carrying. When dual-wielding weapons, Max must fire both weapons simultaneously (and not independently like other videogames) Weapon reload animations are altered depending on Max's current loadout and whether or not he is in cover; awkward positioning results in longer reload times. Ammunition is for the most part divided by weapon class; for example, ammunition for the 5.56mm G36V also works in the 7.62mm FAL. This means when a player dual-wields the same weapon, each weapon is actually a copy of the other, sharing the exact ammunition "pool". After intense firefights, various types of magazines and shell casings from each weapon used can be found throughout the battleground.

As with previous installments the game's gunplay is heavily influenced by "Hong Kong Action" movies, with the same slow motion "bullet time" and "shootdodge" abilities, though Max will now collide heavily with objects and surfaces if he shootdodges into them rather than just brushing against them until the animation completes. While the game discards the "in the zone" mechanic of ''Max Payne 2'' which allowed for showy slow-motion reloads, it retains the "bullet cam" showing the last enemy in a room's death, now rendered in far more grisly detail due to a new damage modelling system which shows both entry and exit wounds. The player is also has the ability to slow down the "killcam", allowing for the spinning effect of the bullet as well as its caliber noticed mid flight. As with previous games in the series, each bullet is treated as a physical projectile with defined speed rather than using hitscans.

Throughout the game, secret "gold" weapon parts can be found, each gold weapon requiring three parts. Typically the gold weapons have larger magazines, and sometimes are altered cosmetically to reflect this. Weapons can sometimes be found with modifications such as red dot scopes or flashlights, though in singleplayer the player has no influence over what upgrades they will have or when they will appear. However the player is able to disable the modifications by use of the "Select" button on either the PS3 or the XBOX 360 controller

=Handguns=

==Colt M1911A1==
The [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] (simply referred to as a 1911) is a fairly common handgun throughout the game. The gun is fired as if it is double-action-only, which is incorrect. The M1911 offers higher damage then the previous pistols, but only holds 8 rounds inside the magazine. First time the handgun is used is during the New York flashback levels
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 colt 1911 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Colt M1911A1 in Game.]]

==Glock 17==
[[Glock 17#Glock 17 (Converted to Full Auto)|Full-auto Glock 17s]] are available in several levels as the Auto 9mm, and is the starting handgun in Chapter 11. These Glocks come with Glock 18C-style the compensator ports on the top of the slide. The Glock 17 has the same damage of that as the [[PT92]] but offers instead faster RPM and magazine size (which when fully upgraded can have up to 33 rounds per magazine). Depending on the players progress, the model of the gun will have an extended magazine if all golden gun parts are found.

Note that this is not a Glock 17C, as the Glock 17C has a completely different compensator design.
[[Image:Glock17ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 converted to full auto with 33 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-00-80.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-42-20-32.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock 18c gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Glock 18c 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Glock 17 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 glock gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Glock 17 in Game.]]

==IMI/Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
The [[Desert Eagle]] makes a return in Max Payne 3 as the DE .50. The Desert Eagle shown in the game is a hybrid, with a Mark VII barrel (distinguished by the lack of scope rail mounts) but a Mark XIX slide (distinguished by the taller cocking serrations). Despite being in almost every promotional screenshot and concept art, the pistol only appears a handful of times with extremely limited ammunition; unusually for the game, it has its own unique ammunition supply rather than using the general reserve for pistols.
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle MK VII with nickel finish - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|400px|none|Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50 AE]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-39-08-55.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle Gold Viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Desert Eagle 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 desert eagle 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Desert Eagle in Game.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 20==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 20]] Heavy Barrel is a common low-level handgun throughout the game, first seen in Chapter 2 in the hands of thugs on the dance floor. The .38 offers higher stopping power than the [[PT92]] but only holds 6 shells at a time. Interestingly, the cylinder does not rotate during "killcam" moments.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel20.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 - .38/44]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-36-21-13.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 model 20 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Smith and Wesson Model 10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Smith & Wesson Model 20 in Game.]]

==Taurus Model 608==
The [[Taurus 608]] referred to in game as the 608 Bull, is a relatively uncommon revolver, but can be found more commonly than it's semi automatic counter part, the [[Desert Eagle]]. The "Bull" designation would suggest this is supposed to be the Taurus Raging Bull, but it's actually based on the model 608 as the in-game weapon is chambered for .357 and has an eight-shot capacity. Unlike the .38 Revolver which uses a speed loader, Max loads each individual shell at once, most likely for balancing reasons. When the "killcam" focuses on the .608, the cylinder can be seen rotating.
[[Image:Taurus_608.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 608 with 6.5" barrel and a matte finish- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-01-05-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus model 608 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Taurus Model 608 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus Model 608 in Game.]]

==Taurus PT92 AF==
Standing in for Max's signature [[Beretta 92FS]] sidearm is its Brazilian cousin, the [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92 AF]], where it appears under the correct moniker of "PT92." The PT92 shown in the game is a modern production version with large cocking serrations. Though it can be found with a flashlight, it does not have an accessory rail, the light simply being shown mounted to the bottom of the frame. The light - similarly to [[Battlefield 3]] - can blind enemies when aimed at them. The PT92 is a more common pistol in the game, second to the [[Glock 17]] for highest handgun magazine capacity. It can be seen in several variations through the single player, such as with wooden grips in Chapter 12. When infiltrating the derelict hotel, Max fits his PT92 with an improvised suppressor made from duct tape and a water bottle in a cinematic. While the suppressor lasts longer than it would in real life, it does lose effectiveness very quickly. After Max discards the suppressor, the tape remains wrapped around the gun.
[[Image:PT92AFRail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT92AF blued (current production model with accessory rails) - 9x19mm. The version in the game does not have a rail.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-15-29-64.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 18-56-30-08.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 silenced lighter gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 14-58-15-41.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 pt92 improwizowany tlumik.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (improvised silencer) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus PT92 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 PT92 sd lighter.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus PT92AF (silencer and flashlight) in Game.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Heckler & Koch MP5/40==
The [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5.2F10_and_MP5.2F40|Heckler & Koch MP5/40]] Called the "MPK" in-game. The weapon has the shape of a [[MP5]] but the paddle magazine release is on the ''front'' of the magazine well. It also has straight magazines, similar to the MP5/40 or MP5/10; these normally contain 20 rounds, though the gold weapon ups this to 30.
[[File:MP540.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mp5-40 scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch MP5/40 (scoped) in Game.]]

==IMI Mini UZI==
An [[IMI Mini Uzi]] is available throughout the game starting from the second chapter as the Micro 9mm.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Mini Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-39-14-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini uzi 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMI Mini UZI in Game.]]

==Ingram MAC-10==
The [[MAC-10|Ingram MAC-10]] are commonly used by mob hitmen in the New York/New Jersey flashbacks, as the M10.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mac10 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ingram MAC-10 in Game.]]

==Taurus M972==
The [[Beretta_M12#Taurus_M972|Taurus M972]] is featured as the "M972". For some reason the folding stock and foregrip have been removed from the in-game weapon, which allows for Max to store it in his shoulder holsters. Found rather uncommonly in the game, first instance being during the Favela levels
[[File:Taurus M972.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus M972 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-09-46-50.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 taurus m972 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus M972 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m972 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus M972 in Game.]]

==Taurus MT-40==
The [[SIG_SG_540#Taurus_MT-40|Taurus MT-40]], a .40 caliber version of the Chilean [[SIG_SG_540#FAMAE_SAF|FAMAE SAF]] built under license in Brazil, appears in Max Payne 3 as the "SAF .40" fitted with a PDW-style folding stock. Mainly used by UFE police in their station toward the end of the game.
[[Image:Taurus MT-40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus MT-40 - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-49-28-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 saf 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Taurus MT-40 in Game.]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
A [[Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns#Benelli_M4|Benelli M4 Super 90]] is available throughout the game as the "M4 Super 90". It is shown with a 4-shot tube magazine, even for the "gold" version which has a capacity of 7 rounds.
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 4-shot tube - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-09-55-61.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 Super 90 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m4 super 90 gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Benelli M4 Super 90 in Game.]]

==Franchi SPAS-15==
The [[Franchi_SPAS-15|Franchi SPAS-15]] appears in the game as a high-level shotgun, first used by a mob hitman in the New York cemetery. The SPAS-15 holds less rounds and has more pellet spread than the Benelli M4, but it offers much faster reload times by holding those rounds in a detachable box magazine.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-01-25-75.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-25 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 spas-15 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Franchi SPAS-15 in Game.]]

==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
The [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] appears in the game as the "M500". It is seen with a pistol grip, wooden furniture, an aftermarket wire folding stock, and an extended magazine tube. Seen mostly by the lower gang echelon enemies in the game, this shotgun provides the fastest turn rate of all the shotguns, while sacrificing its accuracy at even mid range distances.
[[Image:Mossbergcruiser1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-19-44-76.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 590 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 m500 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 M500 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Mossberg 500 Cruiser in Game.]]

==Remington 11-87==
A [[Remington 11-87]] with a pistol grip stock appears in game relatively uncommonly as the "Super Sport".
[[Image:11-87sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 11-87 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-05-59-18.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Remington 11-87 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sport shotgun 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Remington 11-87 in Game.]]

==Sawed-Off Remington SBS==
A [[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed-Off Remington SBS]] appears a few times, referred to as simply the "Sawn-Off" and counted as a one-handed gun for inventory purposes. Max can, appropriately, find one in the hands of the bartender of a seedy strip club he shoots up.
[[Image:Remington_SBS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Sawed-Off Remington SBS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-10-03-69.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 sawed off 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sawed-Off Remington SBS in Game.]]

=Rifles=

==AK-47==
The [[AK-47#AK-47|AK-47]] is available all throughout Brazil, commonly used by street thugs, although it is replaced by higher-end weapons towards the end of the game. The AK-47 is first found in the burnt out apartment building next to Max's apartment in the New York flash back levels. The AK-47 is also a starting weapon in the multiplayer mode.
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Izhmash AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ak-47 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK-47 in Game.]]

==FN FAL 50.00==
The [[FN_FAL#FN_FAL|FN FAL]] is commonly used by Brazilian gangsters, paramilitary units and police; given the location it is probably supposed to be the IMBEL-manufactured M964 version, though this is just a standard FAL. Though it shares ammo with the 5.56mm weapons, it has a standard FAL magazine. This does not change on the gold version, despite the capacity increasing to 30 rounds.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-08-08-53.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-14-54-31.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FFN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal scope 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FN FAL 50.00 (scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fal gold.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden FN FAL 50.00 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36V==
The police special units use the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36|Heckler & Koch G36V]]. The dual rows of gas vents (which should actually be a single row of serpentine vents) and low scope mount seem to indicate it is supposed to be an FX-05 Xiuhcoatl, but the ejection port placement indicates that in real life it would be a dressed-up G36. It is also fitted with a custom stock that appears to be a combination of the standard G36 skeletal stock and a standard solid stock. Called "G6 Commando" in-game. The golden upgrade has a Beta C-Mag that only holds 40 rounds; Brazilian paramilitary police can also be seen with this configuration, and sometimes their guns spawn with both the C-Mag and the normal magazine in place. Three regular G36s can be seen in the armoury of the derelict hotel.
[[Image:G36.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36V (formerly G36E) with export optical sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FX-05 Xiuhcoatl for comparison - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 22-05-17-79.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 fx-05 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g6 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 FX-05 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G36V in game.]]

==IMBEL MD-97 LC==
The [[IMBEL MD-97|IMBEL MD-97 LC]] is a fairly uncommon assault rifle, mostly used by paramilitaries. It's incorrectly designated as the "MD-97L". That designation is for the full-length rifle, which the MD-97 featured in-game is not.
[[File:Imbel MD97LC.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Imbel MD 97 LC - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-50-21-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 md viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 MD-97l 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden IMBEL MD-97 LC in Game.]]

==Ruger Mini-30==
The [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_Mini-30|Ruger Mini-30]] is called by the proper "Mini-30" in-game (sans the "Ruger" brand), and is seen with a Butler Creek folding stock. It's mostly seen in the beginning of the game, including the first chapter, with a 10 round magazine. Though partway though the helicopter sequence, in a continuity error, Max is briefly shown with a 30-round curved magazine in his Mini-30. Several snipers use them with laser sights as late as the final chapter.
[[File:RugerMini30NewSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stainless Ruger Mini-30 new production model semiautomatic rifle with flush factory five round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-20-23-29.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3_mini_30_gold_viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 21-21-02-56.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scope gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 ruger mini 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 scoped.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Ruger Mini-30 (Scoped) in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 mini 30 gold .jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Ruger Mini-30 in Game.]]

==Colt M4==
An [[M4]] assault rifle has been confirmed to be in the upcoming multiplayer DLC pack: ''Local Justice''. It is the only new firearm to be added to the multiplayer thus far.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:MP3_M4.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A San Paolo-ian Police Officer fires his flat-topped M4 in a new multiplayer map.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Barrett M107==
Max uses a [[Barrett M107]] anti-materiel rifle in the soccer stadium to cover Passos in the third chapter and it is seen used by snipers several times, including Passos himself.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M107 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 15-19-05-95.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barrett M107l in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 barret 82a1 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Barrett M107 in Game.]]

==Heckler & Koch G3SG/1==
A scoped [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#Heckler_.26_Koch_G3SG.2F1|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1]] appears as the FMP G3S. The lack of cheek rest on the stock indicates that it's a scoped G3 instead of a G3SG/1 or MSG90.
[[Image:H&KSG1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 - 7.62x51mm NATO. The in-game rifle resembles this, but has no cheek rest.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-17 16-51-46-81.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 g3 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 in Game.]]

=Machine Guns=
With both machine guns, the reload animations show Max mounting a new drum / belt box and pulling the charging handle, but do ''not'' have a stage showing him mounting the new belt, which is simply shown in the mounted position on the drum / belt box model itself as it is inserted.

==Heckler & Koch HK21==
The [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK21|Heckler & Koch HK21]] with the bipod is seen several times as the LMG .30. In a speedboat chase it is used with the correct belt box and has unlimited ammo, while later levels have it with an RPD-style 100-round drum and limited ammunition, usually only having at time about 33 rounds left in the magazine even if the enemy holding the weapon is killed before using it once. Several times, heavily armored enemies are encountered wielding the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns|Heckler & Koch HK21]], holding it by the stock and somehow firing it.
[[Image:HK21MachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK21 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-54-54-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-15 19-24-19-59.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 hk21 gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lkm.30 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 HK21E 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden Heckler & Koch HK21 in Game.]]

==RPD==
The [[RPD|RPD]] with the bipod removed appears in the game starting in Chapter 12. The 100-round drum only holds 75 rounds on the normal version of the weapon, though the "gold" version has the correct capacity.
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPD Light Machine Gun - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 rpd 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPD in Game.]]

=Launchers=

==DefTech 37mm Launcher==
The [[DefTech 37mm Launcher]] appears as the Grenade Launcher with a 6-round cylinder, available in a few levels. It is most prominently given to Max in the final chase sequence with 100 rounds of ammunition. As with the grenades shown in the game, rounds from this weapon have a flashing light added to make them easier to see, and can be shot down with gunfire.
[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech grenade launcher with folding stock - 37mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 granatnik viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 gl gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 DefTech 37mm Launcher 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|DefTech 37mm Launcher in Game.]]

==M72A2 LAW==
The [[M72 LAW]] appears as the LAW and is used in Chapter 13 to destroy an armored UFE truck. It is correctly depicted as a single shot weapon, but an NPC gangster using one is accidentally holding an invisible RPG foregrip (Max and all others use it correctly).
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav gold viu.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Golden M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 lav 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M72A2 LAW in Game.]]

==RPG-7==
The [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] appears as the RPG.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 20-52-38-62.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-11-84.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 2012-06-14 21-46-17-88.jpg|thumb|none|550px|RPG-7 in Game.]]

=Other=
==ARSENAL==
In several points in the game, the player comes across several cabinets and lockers of unusable firearms. Some that appear are the [[Mossberg 590]] with wooden furniture, [[Ruger Mini-14 GB]] with wooden stock and an [[MP5A3]].
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, AK-101, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|MP5A3.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|G36K, FN FAL.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mini 14.]]
[[Image:MaxPayne3 arsenal 6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mossberg 590.]]

=See Also=
'''Video Games:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]]'' - The first game in the series.
* ''[[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]]'' - The first sequel.
'''Film:'''
* ''[[Max Payne (2008)|Max Payne]]'' - The film, based loosely on the videogame series.
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[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Third-Person Shooter]]

Call of Duty: World at War

2012-06-16T16:11:32Z

Sopher: /* Browning M1919 */

'''The following guns are used in the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC versions of the video game ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]'' (Wii version should be the same)'''
[[Image:CallofDutyWorldatWarJacket.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''Call of Duty: World at War'' (2008)]]

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=United States Marine Corps=

== M1 Garand ==

The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard rifle of the American forces, and is seen in the hands of nearly all the American Marines. It's depicted as being able to reload partway through an en-bloc clip; while there is facility for unloading the gun without firing every shot, it was not considered practical to do so in combat (since real soldiers don't have a magic invisible ammo hopper to consolidate their ammo neatly into full clips) and American soldiers were generally advised to fire off remaining shots if reloading was necessary.

[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg‎ |thumb|none|550px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:Garand_5.png|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand in-game]]
[[Image:CODWaWGarand1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A marine raider holds his M1 Garand rifle.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

The [[M1 Carbine]] is not used in the American campaign up until the Castle level, where it can be picked up from most of the American corpses. Erroneously called an M1A1 Carbine in-game, despite not having a folding stock.

[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|WW2 era M1 Carbine with spare magazine pouch - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:M1carbine_5.png|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine in-game]]
[[Image:CODWawM1Car.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A marine shoots at a Japanese treetop sniper with his M1 Carbine.]]

== Thompson Submachine Gun ==

The [[Thompson Submachine Gun|M1A1 Thompson]] is Roebuck's Primary Weapon. The in-game model bears the thirty-round magazine, but only carries twenty.
The M1928A1 appears on the box art for the game, though is not seen in-game. However, the gun looks more like a mix of the M1A1 for the iron sight and bolt hand location, and the M1928A1 because of its compensator and drum magazines.

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:soldierwolf,20070107412.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with twenty-round magazine and Cutts compensator .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Tommy_5.png|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson in-game]]
[[Image:CODWawTommy.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A marine fires his Thompson.Note that his finger is below the trigger and trigger guard, but the Thompson still fires.]]

== Browning Automatic Rifle ==

The [[Browning Automatic Rifle|M1918A2 Browning]] in single player is never seen without a bipod, but it must be unlocked in multiplayer. It is your starting weapon in ''Hard Landing'', it can also be found in the trenches in ''Burn 'em Out'' and on some allied Marines in ''Breaking Point'' and ''Relentless''.

[[Image:BAR.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:Bar_5.png|thumb|none|400px|BAR in-game]]
[[Image:Cod0x3020.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sgt. Roebuck with a BAR.He's looks like he's holding a pistol grip like on the FN BAR Type D or the Colt Monitor.]]

== Winchester M1897 ==

Referred to in-game as the "M1897 Trench Shotgun," the [[Winchester Model 1897]] is unlocked immediately in multiplayer. In single player, it is Sgt. Sullivan's primary weapon and can be found just lying around in cleared out underground bunkers. The 1897 trench gun is devastating at close range, capable of blowing off heads and limbs, and even blowing bodies in half. Interestingly, it has an incorrect magazine size 6 in singleplayer and 4 in multiplayer, instead of the actual 5.

[[Image:1897.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1897 Trench Gun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:CODWaWWinchester.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Marine holds a Winchester M1897.]]
[[Image:642.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Marine advances with a Winchester M1897. He appears to be gripping the magazine tube than the actual pump.]]

== M1903A1 Sniper Rifle ==

The [[M1903 Springfield|M1903A1 Sniper Rifle]] is never seen in single player without a scope, and comes with a scope unlocked in multiplayer. The rifle is not an M1903A4 as it is based off of an A1 and mounts a higher-powered scope than the M73 and M84 scopes commonly used on the A4 variant. The scope mounts are also moved forward to the barrel and forward receiver to accommodate for its length. The A1 sniper variant was more common in the Pacific, which is why it is also seen in other games set in that theatre rather than the A4.

[[Image:Springfieldm1903a1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M1903A1 Springfield sniper variant of the M1903 Springfield with Unertl scope - .30-06]]
[[Image:Springfield_1903_CODWAW.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M1903A1 Sprngfield un-scoped in-game]]
[[Image:Springfield_1903_CODWAW_scoped.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M1903A1 Springfield scoped in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWaWSpringfield.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Marine Raider "Denny" holding a M1903A1 Springfield.]]

== M1911A1 pistol ==

The [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1 pistol]] is the American soldiers' sidearm and your sidearm in all of the single player levels where you are not issued a flamethrower. It holds eight rounds in game, when the real M1911A1 holds only seven (plus one in the chamber). Standard-size eight-round magazines from Wilson Combat were not available until the 1980s. A variant called the "Holy Pistol", named after the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, can be used in Nazi Zombies Map "Nacht Der Unoten" on the PC, by using the "Give All" PC command, an M1911A1 that fires grenade bullets.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:CODWAWM1911.png|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 in-game]]
[[Image:CODWaWColt.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A marine aims his M1911 pistol at a Japanese officer.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWcolt.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player reloads a M1911 pistol at the E3 2008 game conference's co-op presentation.]]
[[Image:Shot0000_(2).jpg|thumb|none|550px|Holy Pistol in-game]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 27 ==

The most powerful handgun in the game, is the [[Smith & Wesson Model 27 / 28 | Smith & Wesson Model 27]], it was most likely only included as the "Desert Eagle" of this game. It is only available in multiplayer.

[[Image:S&WModel27.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 27 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:CoDWW357Mag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A .357 Magnum revolver unlockable at level 49, probably a Smith & Wesson Model 27]]
[[Image:357_5.png|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 27 in-game]]

== Mk 2 hand grenade ==

The [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] is the standard American grenade in single player and is the only frag grenade in multiplayer. It should also be noted that in the first mission, "Semper Fi", the Mk 2 is shown with the olive drab color. This is anachronistic as the mission is set in 1942 and Mk 2 hand grenades were completely yellow prior to 1943.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|200px|none|Mk 2 hand grenade]]
[[Image:CODWaWMk2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Marine with some Mk 2 hand grenades on his gear.]]

== M2 Flamethrower ==

You first take the [[M2 Flamethrower]] from the hands of a Marine who was killed trying to clear a machine gun nest out. You start with it in the level "Burn Em' Out." It has infinite fuel, but to prevent endless streams of fire the weapon overheats and will refuse to work if the trigger is held for too long.

[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:M2_Flamethrower.png|thumb|none|400px|M2 Flamethrower in-game]]
[[Image:M2 FlamethrowerWW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An M2 Flamethrower model from the game.]]
[[Image:CODWaWFlamethrower2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Pvt. Glover fires his M2 Flamethrower.]]

== M9A1 Bazooka ==

You pick up the [[M1 Bazooka#M9A1 Bazooka|M9A1 Bazooka]] to destroy the Japanese tanks when on the airfield. It is also used by two Soviet Soldiers in the level "Downfall." It is one of the immediately unlocked Perks when you unlock Create a Class.

[[Image:M9bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M9A1 "Bazooka" - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoDWaWbazooka.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Marine taking cover behind a truck with his M9A1 Bazooka.]]

== Browning M1919 ==

A mobile machine gun, you first use a bipod-equipped [[Browning M1919]] in "Relentless.". It is seen without a bipod later on in single-player. It has a cloth wrapped around the barrel close to the frame as a makeshift handguard. The PBY Catalina in "Black Cats" has M1919s dual-mounted on the bow and single mounted on the stern. It is the last machine gun unlocked in multiplayer. It seems that the Browning machine gun for infantry use in the game is a M1919A4, but it can be fitted with a bipod which was only available for the M1919A6 version. It is also erroneously shown as the turret gun for the Soviet T-34 tank in both single player campaign and multiplayer.

[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 on M2 tripod - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1919_5.png|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919 machine gun in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWaW30calCatalina.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A twin Browning M1919 machine gun with an anti-aircraft sight mounted on a PBY Catalina flying boat.]]
[[Image:CoDWaW30calTank.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Browning M1919 machine gun in a ball mounting on the front hull of an M4 Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWM1919A4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Browning M1919 machine gun with a bipod used by a marine during the multiplayer mod. Note how he's holding a 31 pound machine gun, made for a tripod, by the reciever. God, his hand must be burning.]]

== Browning M2 ==

The [[Browning M2]] is is mounted in each of the Catalina's waist blisters in "Black Cats."

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:CoDWaW50calCatalina.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Browning M2 machine gun mounted on a PBY Catalina flying boat]]

== M7 Grenade Launcher ==
The [[M7 rifle grenade]] is an muzzle device that attaches to the M1 Garand and is used a few times in the Pacific campaign; the first time is when the American force is attacking Japanese Type 96 25mm triple installations at the airfield. There is a slight error in how they are presented: mounting one would normally require the rifle to first be emptied, then individual blank cartridges loaded for each shot fired; in game, they're just attached and fired. In addition, the rifle would have to be braced with the stock against the ground before firing; the player doesn't even have to crouch to use the weapon.

[[Image:M1 garand M7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M7 grenade launcher]]
[[Image:CoDWaWM7grenadelauncher.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Two M1 Garand rifles with M7 Grenade Launchers mounted.]]

== Oerlikon 20mm Cannon ==

In "Black Cats," the player's Catalina is armed with twin [[Oerlikon 20mm Cannon]]s under the bow turret. This is not part of any standard Catalina fit, but ''was'' reported as a field modification to "Black Cat" Catalinas in the Pacific; however, it required the removal of the twin M1919s in the bow turret, which are still present on the game's Catalina.

[[Image:20mm Oerlikon Cannon.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Oerlikon cannon - 20mm]]

=Imperial Japanese Army=

== Type 99 Rifle==
The [[Arisaka Rifle#Arisaka Type 99|Type 99 rifle]] is the main rifle for the Japanese. Banzai attackers attach Model 30 bayonets to their Arisakas, which are then called "Arisaka Bayonet." A scoped version appears in "Semper Fi" and "Blowtorch and Corkscrew."
[[Image:Arisaka-Type-99.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Arisaka Type 99 Rifle - 7.7mm Arisaka]]
[[Image:Arisika.png|thumb|none|400px|Type 99 Rifle in-game. Note the monopod folded under the rifle]]
[[Image:CodWaWType99.png|thumb|none|550px|A Japanese soldier in a bunker holds a Type 99 Arisaka rifle.]]
[[Image:A banzai attacker with an Arisaka bayonet in-game.jpg|550px|thumb|none|BANZAI!!! A Japanese soldier, in full camoflague,does a last ditch attack with his Type 99 Rifle mounted with a bayonet.]]

== Type 100 Submachine Gun==
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the main Japanese submachine gun. It seems to be the 1944 model, making it's appearance in "Semper Fi", set in 1942, anachronistic. They are also far too common, being decipted as a standard infantry weapon, in the hands of a third of all enemies.

[[File:Type100 1944.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Arisaka Type 100 submachine gun (1944 - 1945 model) - 8mm]]
[[Image:CODWaWType1001.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An imperial Japanese soldier with his Type 100 submachine gun.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWT100SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An imperial Japanese soldier with a Type 100 submachine gun.]]

== Type 99 Light Machine Gun ==
The [[Type 99 Light Machine Gun]] is the main Japanese light machine gun.

[[Image:Type99LMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nambu Type 99 light machine gun - 7.7mm Arisaka]]
[[Image:Type99_5.png|thumb|none|400px|Type 99 in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWWType99LMG.png|thumb|none|550px|A Japanese soldier holds his Type 99 LMG.]]

== Nambu Type 14 Pistol ==
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is first seen given to you by Sullivan; whether or not you replace it with a new weapon, it appears in your possession again after you are sliced by a Japanese soldier's katana as Sullivan drags you to the escape boat, but you do not get much of a chance to use it.

[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nambu Type 14 pistol - 8mm]]
[[Image:Nambu_5.png|thumb|none|550px|Nambu in-game]]

== Type 97 hand grenade ==
The [[Type 97 hand grenade]] is the Japanese hand grenade.
[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Type 97 hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoDWaWtype97frag.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player about to throw a Type 97 hand grenade]]

== Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun ==
The [[Type 92 heavy machine gun]] is the main Japanese heavy machine gun.

[[Image:Japanese Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nambu Type 92 Heavy machine gun - 7.7 mm]]
[[Image:CoDWaWType92HMG1.JPG|thumb|none|550px|An imperial Japanese soldier firing a Type 92 HMG from a pillbox.]]

=Red Army=

== Mosin Nagant ==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin-Nagant]] is the first rifle given to you by Reznov, due to his lack of trigger finger (but he's fine firing a PPSh), but you are not given ammo. It is fitted with a scope. In later levels they are in the hands of Russian soldiers. They are more rare than PPSh SMGs.

[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mosin-Nagant 91/30 - 7.62x54R ]]
[[Image:CoDWWNagant.PNG|thumb|none|550px|A Soviet soldier,firing from the hip,executes a German POW with his Mosin-Nagant rifle. His two comrades also have Mosin-Nagant rifles.]]
[[Image:Mosin_5.png|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant in-game. Notice its sniper rifle style bolt handle, designed to accommodate a scope and not used on the standard infantry models.]]
[[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper Variant with Russian PU Sniper Scope and down-turned bolt handle]]
[[Image:Call-of-duty-world-at-war-20080715043818781.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sergeant Reznov holds a sniper variant Mosin-Nagant.]]

== Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle==
The secondary Russian rifleis the [[Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle]].

[[Image:SVT-40.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle - 7.62x54R ]]
[[Image:Svt40_5.png|thumb|none|400px|SVT-40 in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWaWSVT40.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A US marine fires a Soviet SVT-40 in the multiplayer mode.]]

== PPSh-41 ==
The [[PPSh-41]] is first seen in the hands of Reznov, after he gives you the Mosin-Nagant. It is also the standard Soviet SMG and is more common than the Mosin.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:CODWaWPPSh41(2).JPG|thumb|none|550px|Sergeant Reznov holding a PPSh-41 Submachine Gun with a broken trigger finger. Note incorrect proportions on the third-person model.]]

== Degtyaryev Light Machine Gun ==

The [[Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun]] only featured in multiplayer. It has decent power, but poor aim speed, running speed and reloading speed.

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun (DP) Light Machine Gun - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:CoDWWDPMG01.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Soviet DP machine gun in the hands of a Marine Raider during a multiplayer match. While it's unlikely any American soldier got a Russian MG, it's ''Multiplayer''. No-one likes that to e a curbstomp, depending on the sides.]]

== Double-barreled shotgun ==

A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Double-barreled shotgun]] makes its first appearance in the Asylum, found in the kitchen, with a sawed off stock and barrel. Later in the subway, it is seen normally, and are lying around in all of the offices.
[[Image:BaikalSBSShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Modern Baikal Commercial hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sawn-off double barreled shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:CodwawDouble-barreled shotgun.JPG|thumb|none|550px|The player (as a Red Army soldier) uses the unknown double-barreled shotgun.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWDBShotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Soviet soldier firing his double-barreled shotgun. Note that in third-person view, shells eject when fired.]]
[[Image:Double_Barrel_Action.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Double-Barrel in-game]]

== PTRS-41 ==
The [[PTRS-41 rifle|PTRS-41]] is always seen with a scope, despite the real rifle never being issued with one. It is first seen in single player during "Vendetta." Much later in "Downfall," one can be found on the second or third level. It is erroneously depicted being used as a standard sniper rifle; the PTRS-41 is designed to be fired while prone against armored targets, not as a conventional rifle.

[[Image:PTRS 41.jpg|thumb|none|550px|PTRS-41 anti-tank rifle - 14.5x144mm.]]
[[Image:Ptrs_5.png|thumb|none|400px|PTRS-41 in-game, Notice the Soviet insignia]]
[[Image:CoDWWPTRS3.JPG|thumb|none|550px|A Soviet sniper uses the PTRS-41 anti-tank rifle in the official multiplayer trailer. Note that it is ''ridiculous'' to depict a single man firing this weapon from the shoulder; the PTRS-41 is six feet long and weighs forty-five pounds. A single soldier would only be expected to be able to ''carry'' the fully assembled rifle for short distances, never mind firing it while standing up, as the immense recoil would knock him on his back.]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

The [[Tokarev TT-33]] is used to execute German prisoners, as well as your standard sidearm until you replace it.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm]]
[[Image:Tt33_5.png|thumb|none|400px|TT-33 in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWaWTokarev.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Soviet soldier about to execute a German POW with his Tokarev TT-33 pistol.]]

== RGD-33 hand grenade ==

The [[RGD-33]] is the standard Soviet hand grenade.

[[Image:Rgd-33russianfrag mp.jpg|thumb|none|200px|RGD-33]]
[[Image:CoDWWRGD33.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player as a Soviet soldier about to throw a RGD-33 fragmentation grenade.]]

== Molotov Cocktail ==

Molotov cocktails are available as a secondary grenade during Soviet campaign levels.

[[Image:Codwawmolotov.JPG|thumb|none|550px|The player playing as a Soviet soldier lights his Molotov cocktail.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWMolotov2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The Molotov cocktail being thrown.]]

==B-4 M1931 howitzer==

Archive footage of several of these 18-ton 203mm howitzers is present during the introduction to the Soviet campaign's Berlin levels; they are seen being used in the direct fire role, shooting down streets with their barrels level. They do not appear during gameplay.

[[Image:B-4small.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soviet B-4 M1931 howitzer - 203mm]]

=Wehrmacht=

== Karabiner 98k ==
The [[Karabiner 98k]] is the main rifle for the German Army.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:CoDWaWKar98k2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A German soldier losing his Kar98k rifle while shot.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWKar98k3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A German soldier about to fire his Kar98k rifle.]]

== Gewehr 43 ==
The [[Gewehr 43]] is the secondary rifle for the Germans.

[[Image:K43 nc.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Gewehr 43 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:G43_5.png|thumb|none|400px|Gewehr 43 in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWaWGewehr43.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player as a marine is using a German Gewehr 43 against Japanese soldiers in the multiplayer mode.]]

== MP40 ==
The [[MP40]] is the main SMG for the Germans.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:Codwaw_mp40.JPG|thumb|none|550px|MP40 in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWaWMP403.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Wehrmacht soldier firing his MP40.Note that his hand "clips" into the magazine.]]
[[Image:944199 20080819 screen003.jpg|thumb|none|550px|German POW's MP40 fallen on the floor near a Soviet soldier's foot.]]

== StG-44 ==
The [[Sturmgewehr 44|StG-44]] is the main support for the Germans. Also present in the Zombie Map Der Reise for 1200 points, capable of being upgraded to the Spatz-447.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:CoDWWSTG44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The StG-44 unlockable at level 37.]]
[[Image:Mp44_5.png|thumb|none|400px|MP-44 in-game. Note how the player character is holding the gun by the magizine. While this is partly accurate (due to the STG-44's metal handguard), many just rested their hand on the magazine well, not the magazine itself.]]

== FG 42 ==
The [[FG 42]] is the main LMG for the German Army. It is the only LMG that can be equipped with a telescopic sight. It incorrectly has a 32-round box magazine in singleplayer, this is corrected to 20 rounds in multiplayer.

[[Image:FG421stPattern.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FG42 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Firearm FG42.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FG 42 1st pattern with Zeiss ZF4 scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Fg42_5.png|thumb|none|500px|FG-42 in-game]]
[[Image:Call-of-duty-world-at-war-20081007050209634.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player using a FG42 in the '''War''' multiplayer mode as a German soldier.]]

== Walther P38 ==
A German Soldier shoots Private Petrenko with a [[Walther P38]] as he is attempting to plant the Soviet flag on the Reichstag.

[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 - 9mm]]
[[Image:Walther_P-38.png|thumb|none|400px|P38 in-game]]
[[Image:CoDWWP38(2).jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player as a Japanese soldier has just shot all the bullets from his Walther P38 during a multiplayer match.]]

== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ==
The [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] is the Wehrmacht hand grenade.

[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate "Potato Masher" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:6e8278cc5a02a4ff05d3c306dcf6a52620080623143208.jpg|thumb|none|550px|German soldier with a Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

== Panzerschreck ==
The [[Panzerschreck]] is the main rocket launcher for the German Army.

[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Panzerschreck - 88mm]]
[[Image:CoDWaWPanzerschrek2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A soviet soldier aiming a Panzerschreck.]]
[[Image:6e8278cc5a02a4ff05d3c306dcf6a52620080623143208 (2).jpg|thumb|none|400px|German soldier carrying a Panzerschreck.]]

== MG42 ==
The [[MG42]] is the main turret weapon in the game. It is incorrectly seen using 125-round drum magazine in singleplayer, this is corrected to 50 rounds in multiplayer.

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|550px|MG42 - 7.92 x 57mm Mauser (8mm Mauser)]]
[[Image:CoDWWMG42.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A MG42 set on a sandbag.]]
[[Image:CoDWWMG422.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The player as a Wehrmacht soldier is using a MG42 turret of a Panzer (tank).]]

== Panzerfaust ==
In Call of Duty: World at War, the Panzerfaust is seen in the archive videos before the level Downfall, but it isn't available to the player.

=Misc=

== Browning Hi-Power ==
The [[Browning Hi-Power]], like the [[Glock 17]] in Call Of Duty 4, appears on the "Overkill" perk symbol.

[[Image:Browning-HP-P35.jpg|thumb|none|350px|First model Browning Hi-Power (FN P-35) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WaW_Perk_Twoprimaries.png|thumb|none|300px|Two Browning Hi-Powers seen in partial silhouette. If you're having trouble seeing it, the footprint-looking part is space either side of the trigger.‎]]

== No 74 ST Grenade ==
Though there are no British troops in the Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and PC versions, the British [[No 74 ST Grenade]] is available in the game.

[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|No 74 ST Grenade (aka "Sticky Bomb")]]
[[Image:CoDWWStickyBomb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The "sticky bomb" available in the grenade section of the multiplayer mode's class creation.]]

== Melee Weapons ==

Go to the Discussion page to see the Melee Weapons used in the game.

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Talk:7.62 High Calibre

2012-05-30T06:52:27Z

Sopher:

Why are there no screenshots of the actual game?? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:54, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

Nobody knows 0.o *Shrugs* [[User:Sith Venator|Sith Venator]] 17:21, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

I got some [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:02, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

OK, so. Insofar as I've found, everyone who plays 7.62 nowadays generally installs R@S's excellent Blue Sun Mod, which fixes all of the bugs and adds enough guns to level an entire city block through lead corrosion and then rebuild it entirely out of firearms. Should we make a page for this? [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 2:51, 30 May 2012 (EST)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-03-13T20:04:13Z

Sopher: /* 3 Expansions planned for BF3 */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

__TOC__

== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - [[S9771773G]] 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

:Dunno about the QLZ-87, man. I'd think most Battlefield players are already sick of overpowered, hand-held weapons that can auto-fire frags. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 4:03, 13 March 2012 (EST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: ACW-R (ACR)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Engineer: SCARL-L (misspelling, tweeted Demize)
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: ???
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: ??? (SMG)
*All Kit: SPAS-12

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-03-13T19:57:56Z

Sopher: /* 3 Expansions planned for BF3 */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

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== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - [[S9771773G]] 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: ACW-R (ACR)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Engineer: SCARL-L (misspelling, tweeted Demize)
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: ???
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: ??? (SMG)
*All Kit: SPAS-12