Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games - User contributions [en]

Final Destination 2

2014-11-12T05:45:03Z

Pravda616: /* Smith & Wesson Model 22 */

{{Infobox Movie
|name = Final Destination 2
|picture = Final Destination 2 poster.jpg
|caption = ''DVD Cover''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]]
|director = David R. Ellis
|date= 2003
|language = English
|studio= New Line Cinema Zide-Perry Productions
|distributor=New Line Cinema
|character1=Clear Rivers
|actor1=[[Ali Larter]]
|character2=Thomas Burke
|actor2=[[Michael Landes]]
|character3=Eugene Dix
|actor3=[[Terrence 'T.C.' Carson]]
}}

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 

==Smith & Wesson Model 22==
Deputy Thomas Burke ([[Michael Landes]]) carries the [[Smith & Wesson Model 22]] as his duty sidearm. Eugene Dix ([[Terrence 'T.C.' Carson]]) use it to try commit suicide, but all six rounds turn out to be duds.
[[Image:150195 large.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 22 left side - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Final Destination 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eugene Dix put the captured gun to his own head - no effect.]]
[[Image:Final Destination 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good shot of the 6-rounds cilinder.]]
[[Image:Final Destination 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thomas Burke takes back his back his gun.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Horror]]
[[Category:Thriller]]

Final Destination 2

2014-11-12T05:43:00Z

Pravda616: /* Smith & Wesson Model 22 */

{{Infobox Movie
|name = Final Destination 2
|picture = Final Destination 2 poster.jpg
|caption = ''DVD Cover''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]]
|director = David R. Ellis
|date= 2003
|language = English
|studio= New Line Cinema Zide-Perry Productions
|distributor=New Line Cinema
|character1=Clear Rivers
|actor1=[[Ali Larter]]
|character2=Thomas Burke
|actor2=[[Michael Landes]]
|character3=Eugene Dix
|actor3=[[Terrence 'T.C.' Carson]]
}}

{{Film Title}}
__TOC__ 

==Smith & Wesson Model 22==
Deputy Thomas Burke ([[Michael Landes]]) carries the [[Smith & Wesson Model 22]] as his duty sidearm. Eugene Dix ([[Terrence 'T.C.' Carson]]) use it to try commit suicide, but all six rounds turn out to duds.
[[Image:150195 large.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 22 left side - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Final Destination 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eugene Dix put the captured gun to his own head - no effect.]]
[[Image:Final Destination 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good shot of the 6-rounds cilinder.]]
[[Image:Final Destination 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thomas Burke takes back his back his gun.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Horror]]
[[Category:Thriller]]

Talk:Skyfall

2013-10-24T04:33:15Z

Pravda616: /* Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... */

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
***My quote made the LA Times. Good for me. LOL --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 10:47, 3 February 2013 (EST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. [[User:APS221|APS221]] 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.

The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!

In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an [[M1911]]. That would be pretty cool. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)

While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

:Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.

:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.

A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).

Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.
:It's most likely what was avaiable and "unique" to the character in the scene. Personally the barrel would have given it crapped accuracy and shooting a guy brawling with a friendly on a moving train would take some expert marksmen even with a better rifle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.

:I don't see how you can claim they've totally rejected the serious tone and gone back to being cheesy fun JUST because he's using the PPK again. Especially as you haven't even seen the film! I mean, do you not realise what a ridiculous jump in logic that is? That's like saying "Because Bond has a beard in one scene they're going to bring back Madonna."--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 02:51, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

I really wish we'd see other Walthers. Nothing wrong with "tradition' but how about the newer P99 or the PPQ or the PPS? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:Here's a solution to allow MGM (and Walther) to make boatloads of cash off an "official James Bond" pistol and not risk their reputation by having it used in an inappropriately-violent manner--make and market a PROP gun (that has a movable trigger/hammer, working magazine release, and dummy magazine, but obviously cannot be converted to live fire) that resembles what James Bond uses in a future movie. Just look at how many adults (and kids) will shell out lots of cash for prop lightsabers from the [[Star Wars]] series. If I were feeling in a "Q" mood, I'd mandate that it must have a tactical flashlight and laser sight at a minimum, and possibly a single-shot taser/stun gun weapon rail-mounted under the barrel just in case Bond needs less-lethal takedown capability and doesn't feel up to hand-to-hand combat. If you want to keep the prop out of the hands of kids, make it a "only X units produced" luxury good, possibly sold first at auction (so as to keep the price above what most little kids can beg and whine to their parents for). As for cheesy, aside from the various obvious film errors you can spot in the theatrical cut (i.e., Bond goes for a dip in a frozen lake and seconds later emerges completely dry), it seems that Bond has been taking notes from Sam Fisher (specifically the "Mark and Execute" gameplay mechanic from [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]]). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 11:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:And what's to stop people using that to hold up a convenience store? There's a reason you can't buy Airsoft guns in this country without jumping through god knows how many legal hoops first or painting it bright green. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:Really, I think the only criticism that should be had regarding the PPK is what situations it got used in: Bond would carry it even into drawn out firefights with enemies equipped with assault rifles and modern combat pistols. He always picked up a bad guy's gun (or armed himself with one from the start; the Piz Gloria battle in ''[[On Her Majesty's Secret Service]]'' had him enter the fight with a Sterling), but it seemed odd when he went into a highly dangerous situation without upping his arsenal. If he kept the P99 in his glove box and used it when he needed the extra power and capacity, that would be fine.

:That said, the PPK fits Bond's character. Moving away from the obvious arguments of how such a sleek looking pistol fits him or how the PPK is too iconic to eliminate, it suits someone who needs an extremely concealable weapon and has the skills needed to make it effective. I mean, the guy shot someone through the eye with a nail gun with one snap shot at a rather long range for a gun that isn't meant for actually firing its projectiles through the air, and that's just talking about the Craig Bond. It doesn't matter if he needs a gun that can punch through modern body armor if he's not carrying it into a situation where he can be expecting to be getting into firefights with guys in armor, and even if he did, he's good enough that he can pop them in the head.

:The PPK works for him for the exact same reasons people continue to carry it to this day: it's extremely small and slim and unusually accurate for a gun of its size (Hickok45 can hit the gong at over 100 yards with a PPK/S, so someone like James Bond being able to hit a man size target at a quarter that range isn't out of the question). People still use .32 ACP and .380 ACP effectively to this day, and .45 ACP still has plenty of stories where it failed to drop the bad guy instantly. The effectiveness of a round is based on shot placement, and the sheer kinetic energy of the bullet only does so much to compensate for that. I would trust James Bond to easily be able to kill me with the first shot even if I came into battle with the gear of the North Hollywood bank robbers. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (EST)

== What Happened??? ==

In [[Casino Royale (2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....

I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

==CO19 holster weapons==

The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.

Regards,
Tecolote

==Trailer unknown gun==

The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:It was an odd looking thing, whatever it is. It is mostly in shadow but you get one good whole weapon shot of it when there is a flash of light:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the [[(Day of the Jackal) - Custom Sniper Rifle|Day of the Jackal]] rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job.
Regards,
Tecolote

The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--[[User:6pulkpancerna|6pulkpancerna]] 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.

Regards,

Tecolote

I would say its a grease gun--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

:It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

:Um, if the general public don't know about it then how is a movie director going to ask for one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:59, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee

this rifle appears visually similar to the AMSD OM 50 Nemesis with a large amount of visual modification [[User:LachlanDMcCahon|LachlanDMcCahon]] ([[User talk:LachlanDMcCahon|talk]]) 01:54, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

You get a much closer look at it at the end of the Skyfall section of ''007 Legends''; since I imagine the game's designers had some access to the prop, it might be useful as a source of ID if it's a decent enough match to the movie version. I'll see about getting a shot of it. Also the Patrice boss fight in that game is stunningly dreadful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:33, 21 January 2013 (EST)
:From what I've heard, "stunningly dreadful" pretty much describes the entire game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:00, 21 January 2013 (EST)
::Yeah, at best it's mediocre and it isn't often at its best. But Patrice in particular is a throwback to the bad old days of sci-fi FPS bosses where you fight a totally ordinary man with a stupidly powerful weapon who can soak up enough firepower to sink a cruiser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:25, 21 January 2013 (EST)

[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Also I'd forgotten that this re-enacts the part of the movie where Bond defeats him by abusing the hell out of a bunch of invincible glass doors. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (EST)

:That looks pretty accurate to me, here is a shot from the trailer which shows the odd shape of the magazine well, and it seems to be a match. The texture on the side of the magazine is incorrect for the game gun though:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rile load.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:As to what the gun is, I still am not sure. I can't 100% justify this, but I have this feeling that the base of the weapon may actually be a Remington 700 in an AICS, without the polymer stock on the outside, and with a fabricated metal box over the top. [http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc356/03rangerxlt/AICS%20Installation/DSC00651.jpg Here] is an image of the bare chassis. To me it looks like what they may have done is to machine off the mag well forwards of the finger hole (hence the rough bare metal edge visible in the above shot). The shape behind the magazine well in the trigger area also looks like a match to me. If this is the case, everything upwards of the horizontal line about a centimetre below the ejection port is a cosmetic box, which would explain the rough finish appearing as if it is simply sheet metal that has been painted, rather than a more durable finish you would see on a genuine weapon part. There also appears to be some rough machining on the channel that the bolt handle travels in, which would also be part of this cosmetic fascia. Although not very clear, the magazine also looks like the [http://shoowars.info/img.php?fl=a406n4i443p2p256u4p4q2n4m5j434l4f5g4j4p5t5s4l4u2a4l4f4t22606c4r494w5g516u2n4f4n4l434j414v2q2q264v2v203039444p2v2o5n484 extended ones] that you can get for the Rem 700 AICS. Just to add before anyone suggest it, I don't think it is a genuine AI, as the magazine and bolt handle are the wrong shape for starters. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:07, 22 January 2013 (EST) One more thing, go [http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/misc/35909-aics-stock-install.html here] to see a load more images of the chassis, along with a standard length magazine which I believe is a match for this one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:32, 22 January 2013 (EST)

== Additional images to be Id'ed ==

These are some more images from the trailer. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads

2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout

3. The strange mock-up seen above

4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
::Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..

I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.png [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
:Sign your posts though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
All right, will do. --[[User:Walther_arms|walther_arms]]

Picture No. 4 is a Glock 17;there are a number of newly released stills that confirm this. Apparently Bond disarms the guy pointing one at him inthe percussion cap dueler photo and winds up aiming at(or maybe shooting) somebody with a 2 handed hold.
The dueler is almost certainly a Pedersoli repro of a LePage dueling pistol.

Regards,

Tecolote

Should there be a page made for Ola Rapace? The actor fighting bond wielding the converted Glock 17 and the unknowne Sub-Machine Gun?-Bravejoker

== trailer weapons ==

seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== Signature Walther PPK ==

a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== "12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun" ==

I've read that this is "Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Double Rifle" (source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465931593424952&set=a.430960320255413.102948.154596811225100&type=1&theater ); may it be true?
[[User:Pawelm|Pawelm]] 17:43, 2 August 2012 (CEST)
:I remember an article about a set visit where they were talking about the fact that the big bad in this film is fond of antique British weapons and uses percussion pistols and a .500 Nitro Express rifle, so that ID might be right. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
::I've changed the identification, since you are probably correct. For those who are interested, here is the company website: [http://www.andersonwheeler.co.uk/double_rifle.php Anderson Wheeler Double Rifle] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:07, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

== Trailer ==

I watched the new trailer this morning, and at the bit when Bond meets Q, I swear I could have heard Q saying the PPK is infact a PPK/S. Could be wrong, but did anyone else notice this? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:Yeah, it was even mentioned on the main page of Skyfall. I think it could definitely be a blued PPK/S based on the grip size. Can someone who knows PPKs better than I do confirm this?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:13, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

::Am I the only one who thinks that there might be a sort of shooting competition between Bond and Silva? I mean, look at the main page, where the P99 and the Flintlock pistols are. Bond is wearing the same suit, the background is the same and it's the same time of day. Just some food for thought --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 02:34, 3 August 2012 (CDT).
:::I don't think that's a P99, it could be the Glock that he has pointed at his head in the screenshot with Silva firing the Flintlock. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:24, 3 August 2012 (CDT)

Ive taken a close look at the screen cap of Ola Rapace firing the Glock and if you look close enough it appears there is a selector switch on the side, meaning it could be a genuine Glock 18. -Bravejoker

==Just seen it==
Having just seen the film, I can happily say there were plenty of gunfights and we'll be spoilt for choice when screencapping it. There were so many closeups, especially of the PPK. Here's a list of all the guns I spotted:

* Walther PPK – used by Bond (naturally), Eve and M.
* Glock 17 – used extensively by London Met, Silva and his team when disguised as police officers. Bond definitely uses one on the island; it's not a P99.
* Glock 18 – used by Patrice during the opening scene in Turkey, first fitted with a Beta-C 100-round magazine, then standard 33-round magazines.
* Possible Steyr M9 – used by Silva during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* M4 – used by MI6 guards.
* H&K 416 – used by Silva’s men and several by Bond during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* H&K MP7 – used by Silva’s men on his island.
You're welcome - --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:20, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:Fairly sure the pistol Silva had at the lodge was a [[Steyr M9-A1]], the shape of the frame around the rail is pretty distinctive. I think this may have also been the pistol that was used by one of the 3 bodyguards at the Macau place with the komodo dragon pit, you see it when Eve stamps on the guys arm to stop him picking it up (I think this is what happened, can't remember the exact chain of events). Also I think Patrice uses a Glock 17 during the assassination later in the film, in the shot where he removes the suppressor it has no selector on the left side of the slide. There was also a machine gun mounted on a Merlin helicopter during the climax but didn't get a clear look at it due to it being dark and the brief shots of it. My guess is that it is an M2, or possibly an M3M, based on the mounting. Also, I think we should simply say that the Anderson Wheeler 500 NE Double Rifle is used by Bond during the films climax, anything over and above that I would consider a spoiler (at least until the film is on home release and most people will have already seen it). I still have no idea what the weird sniper rifle is, it seems like it was designed so that the case itself is part of the gun (the scope is the carry handle and the long piece at the front is the front edge of the case), but I don't see the point of having a suitcase that turns into a gun when you can just carry a suitcase with a take-down rifle in it. Still, was a great film IMHO, would highly recommend. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:09, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

::Just saw the film again on Friday and, yeah, you're right it is a Steyr M9A1, I get the two mixed up. Patrice also ditches his Glock 18 when it runs empty and uses a standard 17 during the assassination scene, like you said. Also, I spotted a Tokarev on some news footage, but the footage was paused before it was fired. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:53, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:::Are we certain that it was an actual Glock 18 as a Glock 17 is usually just converted to fire full auto than them using an actual Glock 18. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 17:21, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::::It definitely is, the fire selector is clearly seen when it is first used. Conversely we can be relaively certain it is replaced with a Glock 17 later on as it lacks the selector (although the shot could have been flipped, I didn't look at the ejection port). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:40, 11 November 2012 (EST)

I believe the pistol used by the third bodyguard before Eve stomps on his arm was actually a Walther P99, the rear end looked pretty similar.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 19:41, 11 November 2012 (EST)
:Possibly, I have only seen the film once and is a very brief shot. However, at the time it struck me as a Steyr M9-A1, and if it is not then it is quite a coincidence that a definite one turns up later in the film. Also, I don't think they would include a Walther P99 in a Bond film and have Bond not use it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::No, it definitely wasn't a Walther, the front end was too tall. A Steyr is our best guess at this stage. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 08:16, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Just to confirm, the MG mounted on the Merlin is an M2HB, it is visible in [http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=70141 this] VLOG about helicopter filming about 25 seconds in. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

== Quick question regarding the police shootout during M's public inquiry ==

Would an armed British police officer in real life be allowed to open fire straight away on the bad guy, if the bad guy suddenly starts shooting without warning? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 03:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:I believe the rule is "real and imminent threat to life". If the suspect has already opened fire then they are justified in shooting back without warning. But don't quote me on that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:14, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Another question I can think of. Does anyone here know any famous shootouts that involved armed Metropolitan Police officers in real life? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 15:12, 30 January 2013 (EST)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_incidents Read this. It lists all of them involving mostly CO19]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:07, 30 January 2013 (EST)
::I wouldn't really call any of those "shootouts". In fact the incidents listed there are mostly unarmed people or bystanders getting shot rather than armed criminals or the police. Now that I think about it, I can't even think of an incident where there was two way firing that the Met were involved in. Lethal incidents that I can think of either involve armed criminals being shot by the police before they can draw their weapon or fire, or incidents where unarmed police were killed by armed criminals, such as the Shepherd's Bush murders. One of the biggest "shootings" by the Met that I can think of was when [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azelle_Rodney Azelle Rodney] was shot, where multiple officers shot the tyres of the suspects car with Hatton rounds from shotguns whilst another shot at Rodney 8 times with his G36C through the drivers window. This is a case of the suspects being armed but not actually shooting though (they were armed with a .25 Auto derringer converted from a self defence gas gun, a Baikal IZH-79 gas gun (which is based on the Makarov PM) rebarrelled to 9x18mm and threaded for a suppressor, and a deactivated Colt .45 which had been partially reactivated). Just FYI for anyone who is curious, the Baikal IZH-79 has become one of the most common weapons used by armed criminals in London due to its ease of conversion and the fact that it can take a suppressor. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:47, 30 January 2013 (EST)

==PPK palm print scanner ==

Something just occurred to me on how much of a problem the palm print PPK can be and a problem in the scene it was first used in China. Bond checked his gun to see the green light but later one after he got off the elevator, he was wearing gloves...how does the gun go off with him holding the gun when the gun only fires when it reads his palm print? It's also obviously they wrote the palm sensor device for the one scene when "not odd job" takes his gun away and tried to shoot him. After that, we never see this kind of device ever again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:05, 4 February 2013 (EST)

I just watched the film again and maybe I missed something but I could have sworn that when he had the PPK in his hands he had his gloves off and when he put the PPK away he put his gloves back on? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 21:41, 12 February 2013 (EST)

That's my point. Does the gun only work on him or can anyone in MI6 use it? What happened if M had to use his gun during the final shoot out and he loses the palm print gun really early and gets a regular PPK later on so...this new tech was just pointless. I'd rather Q gave him that exploding pen. Would have been useful [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:00, 12 February 2013 (EST)

==Beretta 70==
Why is it even listed? You never see it at all. It's only mentioned.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:50, 15 February 2013 (EST)

== Add'l Images ==
==Beretta Model 70==
While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh.
[[Image:Beretta 70.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 70 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Skyfall 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh. She responds by saying you can never be sure with handsome men carrying Walthers.]]
[[File:Skyfall-eve-ppk.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Promotional image of Eve holding a Walther PPK/S.]]
[[File:Skyfall-raoul-silva.jpeg|thumb|300px|none|Promotional image of Raoul Silva holding a Steyr M9A1.]]
[[Image:SkyFall-Tower-Chase-Bond-PPK.jpg|400px|thumb|none|A picture from the set, showing James Bond during a foot chase at Tower Hill.]]
[[Image:Skyfall Glock17 CO19.jpg|thumb|none|200px|An SCO19 police officer has a [[Glock 17]] in his thigh holster (circled in red).]]

[[Image:B23-03359-r-jpg_221011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Bond wielding the PPK in a shootout.]]

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond takes cover while carrying the HK416.]]

[[Image:Skyfall-20120411105930324_640w.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Production image of Gareth Mallory ([[Ralph Fiennes]]) as he picks up a Glock 17.]]

[[File:Skyfall-kincade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Production image of Kincade holding his Model 1878.]]

== Shotgun ID ==

Is there any reason for the very specific ID of the Colt Model 1878 as the shotgun used? I personally doubt this is the case, as firstly it seems like an odd shotgun for a Scottish game warden to be using, but more importantly it looks different to me. If nothing else the barrel release on the movie gun is under the trigger guard, whereas on the Colt it is in the more conventional (these days) position on top of the grip. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 16 February 2013 (EST)
==Glock 18==
having just watched the movie again,plus seeing some screencaps from other sources,I noted the top of the slide of Patrice's Glock 18 is solid,not
cut out as in the C model. It is a standard Glock 18, not an 18C.
Regards,
Tecolote

== PPK or PPK/S ==

I'm pretty sure that the only PPK/S in this movie is the one that Bond brings to China with the palm scanner.

The PPK's in the opening scene and the one back in London look like they have wear on them. They also don't seem to have the extended beavertail that the new Walthers have. I am pretty sure that these have to be the regular PPK in .32 ACP, as that had been used in Quantum of Solace. Also, The image of Bond reloading his PPK in the market in Istanbul shows the grips to be more reminiscent of a standard PPK (grips wrapping around the back of the gun grip) as opposed to a standard PPK/S (grips only on the sides of the grip, back of the grip is stainless steel). --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

:Also I think the side shot of the Walther during Bonds shooting test shows it is a PPK, as the back of a PPK/S grip plate is further forward with a square edge at the top. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

I have finally found the signature function for my above post I made a while ago. Do you think I should change the main page so it accurately reflects the PPK .32 being used and not the PPK/S .380? --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

== Spares ==

There's no reason to have twenty-two caps of the same gun for a two hour movie, especially since the gun itself isn't actually that clearly seen in a lot of them. I've trimmed it down to "only" twelve. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:08, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
[[File:SkyfallBeginPPKDraw.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond draws his PPK before entering a room.]]
[[File:Skyfallbeginppk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond holds his PPK while entering a room.]]
[[Image:EmptyPPKSkyfall.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond's PPK runs dry.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond levels his PPK while clearing a room.]]
[[File:Skyfall1933u8Range.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond looks very unhappy with his firearms qualification results.]]
[[Image:SkyfallPPK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Promotional image of James Bond ([[Daniel Craig]]) as he holds the Walther PPK/S in Shanghai. One might wonder why his palm print gun would still work with his gloves on, but in the film he doesn't actually wear them while holding the pistol.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 91.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond opens fire with his PPK during the inquiry board attack.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M ([[Judi Dench]]) stays in cover with Bond's PPK at the ready in the finale when Silva's men attack Skyfall Lodge.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-MPPKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M with the PPK. Dench does a good job at keeping her eyes open when she fires the gun.]]
[[File:SkyfallRangeTremble01239.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond's hand trembles while holding the PPK.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond with the PPK/S while in Shanghai as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-Toy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond aims his PPK at Silva under the tube station.]]

== Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... ==

If we take 100 9mm parabellum cartridges and swap all the lead bullets for depleted uranium, load them into a 100 round Beta-C mag, and then load that into a Glock 18 - How much would all of that weigh? Would it be possible to brandish and fire the gun with one hand?
Also, does anyone have any idea as to how much explosive propellant would be needed to make one of these DU bullets move at anything close to a useful velocity? Would it even be possible to fire such a round without completely destroying the pistol, and most of your arm with it? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 19:24, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

-Well the typical military grade DU alloys are about 1.67 times the density of lead, so I don't think the weight would be to much of an issue. However it would be completely impossible to fire the rounds at a useful velocity out of a pistol. Just another epic Hollywood research failure. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:33, 24 October 2013 (AEST)

Talk:Skyfall

2013-10-24T04:32:55Z

Pravda616: /* Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... */

==Bond's main gun==

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a [[Collateral]] with the [[Heckler & Koch USP]]--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

:Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
***My quote made the LA Times. Good for me. LOL --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 10:47, 3 February 2013 (EST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in [[:File:Usairforce.jpg|This shot]]. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
:"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. [[User:APS221|APS221]] 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.

The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!

In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an [[M1911]]. That would be pretty cool. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]] 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)

While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --[[User:SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon|SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon]] 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

:Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.

:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.

A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).

Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.
:It's most likely what was avaiable and "unique" to the character in the scene. Personally the barrel would have given it crapped accuracy and shooting a guy brawling with a friendly on a moving train would take some expert marksmen even with a better rifle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.

:I don't see how you can claim they've totally rejected the serious tone and gone back to being cheesy fun JUST because he's using the PPK again. Especially as you haven't even seen the film! I mean, do you not realise what a ridiculous jump in logic that is? That's like saying "Because Bond has a beard in one scene they're going to bring back Madonna."--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 02:51, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

I really wish we'd see other Walthers. Nothing wrong with "tradition' but how about the newer P99 or the PPQ or the PPS? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:Here's a solution to allow MGM (and Walther) to make boatloads of cash off an "official James Bond" pistol and not risk their reputation by having it used in an inappropriately-violent manner--make and market a PROP gun (that has a movable trigger/hammer, working magazine release, and dummy magazine, but obviously cannot be converted to live fire) that resembles what James Bond uses in a future movie. Just look at how many adults (and kids) will shell out lots of cash for prop lightsabers from the [[Star Wars]] series. If I were feeling in a "Q" mood, I'd mandate that it must have a tactical flashlight and laser sight at a minimum, and possibly a single-shot taser/stun gun weapon rail-mounted under the barrel just in case Bond needs less-lethal takedown capability and doesn't feel up to hand-to-hand combat. If you want to keep the prop out of the hands of kids, make it a "only X units produced" luxury good, possibly sold first at auction (so as to keep the price above what most little kids can beg and whine to their parents for). As for cheesy, aside from the various obvious film errors you can spot in the theatrical cut (i.e., Bond goes for a dip in a frozen lake and seconds later emerges completely dry), it seems that Bond has been taking notes from Sam Fisher (specifically the "Mark and Execute" gameplay mechanic from [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]]). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 11:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:And what's to stop people using that to hold up a convenience store? There's a reason you can't buy Airsoft guns in this country without jumping through god knows how many legal hoops first or painting it bright green. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:Really, I think the only criticism that should be had regarding the PPK is what situations it got used in: Bond would carry it even into drawn out firefights with enemies equipped with assault rifles and modern combat pistols. He always picked up a bad guy's gun (or armed himself with one from the start; the Piz Gloria battle in ''[[On Her Majesty's Secret Service]]'' had him enter the fight with a Sterling), but it seemed odd when he went into a highly dangerous situation without upping his arsenal. If he kept the P99 in his glove box and used it when he needed the extra power and capacity, that would be fine.

:That said, the PPK fits Bond's character. Moving away from the obvious arguments of how such a sleek looking pistol fits him or how the PPK is too iconic to eliminate, it suits someone who needs an extremely concealable weapon and has the skills needed to make it effective. I mean, the guy shot someone through the eye with a nail gun with one snap shot at a rather long range for a gun that isn't meant for actually firing its projectiles through the air, and that's just talking about the Craig Bond. It doesn't matter if he needs a gun that can punch through modern body armor if he's not carrying it into a situation where he can be expecting to be getting into firefights with guys in armor, and even if he did, he's good enough that he can pop them in the head.

:The PPK works for him for the exact same reasons people continue to carry it to this day: it's extremely small and slim and unusually accurate for a gun of its size (Hickok45 can hit the gong at over 100 yards with a PPK/S, so someone like James Bond being able to hit a man size target at a quarter that range isn't out of the question). People still use .32 ACP and .380 ACP effectively to this day, and .45 ACP still has plenty of stories where it failed to drop the bad guy instantly. The effectiveness of a round is based on shot placement, and the sheer kinetic energy of the bullet only does so much to compensate for that. I would trust James Bond to easily be able to kill me with the first shot even if I came into battle with the gear of the North Hollywood bank robbers. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (EST)

== What Happened??? ==

In [[Casino Royale (2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....

I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

==CO19 holster weapons==

The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.

Regards,
Tecolote

==Trailer unknown gun==

The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads

[[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:It was an odd looking thing, whatever it is. It is mostly in shadow but you get one good whole weapon shot of it when there is a flash of light:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the [[(Day of the Jackal) - Custom Sniper Rifle|Day of the Jackal]] rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job.
Regards,
Tecolote

The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--[[User:6pulkpancerna|6pulkpancerna]] 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.

Regards,

Tecolote

I would say its a grease gun--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

:It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

:Um, if the general public don't know about it then how is a movie director going to ask for one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:59, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee

this rifle appears visually similar to the AMSD OM 50 Nemesis with a large amount of visual modification [[User:LachlanDMcCahon|LachlanDMcCahon]] ([[User talk:LachlanDMcCahon|talk]]) 01:54, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

You get a much closer look at it at the end of the Skyfall section of ''007 Legends''; since I imagine the game's designers had some access to the prop, it might be useful as a source of ID if it's a decent enough match to the movie version. I'll see about getting a shot of it. Also the Patrice boss fight in that game is stunningly dreadful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:33, 21 January 2013 (EST)
:From what I've heard, "stunningly dreadful" pretty much describes the entire game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:00, 21 January 2013 (EST)
::Yeah, at best it's mediocre and it isn't often at its best. But Patrice in particular is a throwback to the bad old days of sci-fi FPS bosses where you fight a totally ordinary man with a stupidly powerful weapon who can soak up enough firepower to sink a cruiser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:25, 21 January 2013 (EST)

[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Also I'd forgotten that this re-enacts the part of the movie where Bond defeats him by abusing the hell out of a bunch of invincible glass doors. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (EST)

:That looks pretty accurate to me, here is a shot from the trailer which shows the odd shape of the magazine well, and it seems to be a match. The texture on the side of the magazine is incorrect for the game gun though:
:[[File:Skyfall sniper rile load.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:As to what the gun is, I still am not sure. I can't 100% justify this, but I have this feeling that the base of the weapon may actually be a Remington 700 in an AICS, without the polymer stock on the outside, and with a fabricated metal box over the top. [http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc356/03rangerxlt/AICS%20Installation/DSC00651.jpg Here] is an image of the bare chassis. To me it looks like what they may have done is to machine off the mag well forwards of the finger hole (hence the rough bare metal edge visible in the above shot). The shape behind the magazine well in the trigger area also looks like a match to me. If this is the case, everything upwards of the horizontal line about a centimetre below the ejection port is a cosmetic box, which would explain the rough finish appearing as if it is simply sheet metal that has been painted, rather than a more durable finish you would see on a genuine weapon part. There also appears to be some rough machining on the channel that the bolt handle travels in, which would also be part of this cosmetic fascia. Although not very clear, the magazine also looks like the [http://shoowars.info/img.php?fl=a406n4i443p2p256u4p4q2n4m5j434l4f5g4j4p5t5s4l4u2a4l4f4t22606c4r494w5g516u2n4f4n4l434j414v2q2q264v2v203039444p2v2o5n484 extended ones] that you can get for the Rem 700 AICS. Just to add before anyone suggest it, I don't think it is a genuine AI, as the magazine and bolt handle are the wrong shape for starters. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:07, 22 January 2013 (EST) One more thing, go [http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/misc/35909-aics-stock-install.html here] to see a load more images of the chassis, along with a standard length magazine which I believe is a match for this one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:32, 22 January 2013 (EST)

== Additional images to be Id'ed ==

These are some more images from the trailer. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads

2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout

3. The strange mock-up seen above

4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1003.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:SkyF 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
::Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..

I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.png [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
:Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
:Sign your posts though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
All right, will do. --[[User:Walther_arms|walther_arms]]

Picture No. 4 is a Glock 17;there are a number of newly released stills that confirm this. Apparently Bond disarms the guy pointing one at him inthe percussion cap dueler photo and winds up aiming at(or maybe shooting) somebody with a 2 handed hold.
The dueler is almost certainly a Pedersoli repro of a LePage dueling pistol.

Regards,

Tecolote

Should there be a page made for Ola Rapace? The actor fighting bond wielding the converted Glock 17 and the unknowne Sub-Machine Gun?-Bravejoker

== trailer weapons ==

seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== New Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== Signature Walther PPK ==

a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== "12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun" ==

I've read that this is "Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Double Rifle" (source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465931593424952&set=a.430960320255413.102948.154596811225100&type=1&theater ); may it be true?
[[User:Pawelm|Pawelm]] 17:43, 2 August 2012 (CEST)
:I remember an article about a set visit where they were talking about the fact that the big bad in this film is fond of antique British weapons and uses percussion pistols and a .500 Nitro Express rifle, so that ID might be right. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
::I've changed the identification, since you are probably correct. For those who are interested, here is the company website: [http://www.andersonwheeler.co.uk/double_rifle.php Anderson Wheeler Double Rifle] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:07, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

== Trailer ==

I watched the new trailer this morning, and at the bit when Bond meets Q, I swear I could have heard Q saying the PPK is infact a PPK/S. Could be wrong, but did anyone else notice this? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:Yeah, it was even mentioned on the main page of Skyfall. I think it could definitely be a blued PPK/S based on the grip size. Can someone who knows PPKs better than I do confirm this?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:13, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

::Am I the only one who thinks that there might be a sort of shooting competition between Bond and Silva? I mean, look at the main page, where the P99 and the Flintlock pistols are. Bond is wearing the same suit, the background is the same and it's the same time of day. Just some food for thought --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 02:34, 3 August 2012 (CDT).
:::I don't think that's a P99, it could be the Glock that he has pointed at his head in the screenshot with Silva firing the Flintlock. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:24, 3 August 2012 (CDT)

Ive taken a close look at the screen cap of Ola Rapace firing the Glock and if you look close enough it appears there is a selector switch on the side, meaning it could be a genuine Glock 18. -Bravejoker

==Just seen it==
Having just seen the film, I can happily say there were plenty of gunfights and we'll be spoilt for choice when screencapping it. There were so many closeups, especially of the PPK. Here's a list of all the guns I spotted:

* Walther PPK – used by Bond (naturally), Eve and M.
* Glock 17 – used extensively by London Met, Silva and his team when disguised as police officers. Bond definitely uses one on the island; it's not a P99.
* Glock 18 – used by Patrice during the opening scene in Turkey, first fitted with a Beta-C 100-round magazine, then standard 33-round magazines.
* Possible Steyr M9 – used by Silva during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* M4 – used by MI6 guards.
* H&K 416 – used by Silva’s men and several by Bond during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* H&K MP7 – used by Silva’s men on his island.
You're welcome - --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:20, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

:Fairly sure the pistol Silva had at the lodge was a [[Steyr M9-A1]], the shape of the frame around the rail is pretty distinctive. I think this may have also been the pistol that was used by one of the 3 bodyguards at the Macau place with the komodo dragon pit, you see it when Eve stamps on the guys arm to stop him picking it up (I think this is what happened, can't remember the exact chain of events). Also I think Patrice uses a Glock 17 during the assassination later in the film, in the shot where he removes the suppressor it has no selector on the left side of the slide. There was also a machine gun mounted on a Merlin helicopter during the climax but didn't get a clear look at it due to it being dark and the brief shots of it. My guess is that it is an M2, or possibly an M3M, based on the mounting. Also, I think we should simply say that the Anderson Wheeler 500 NE Double Rifle is used by Bond during the films climax, anything over and above that I would consider a spoiler (at least until the film is on home release and most people will have already seen it). I still have no idea what the weird sniper rifle is, it seems like it was designed so that the case itself is part of the gun (the scope is the carry handle and the long piece at the front is the front edge of the case), but I don't see the point of having a suitcase that turns into a gun when you can just carry a suitcase with a take-down rifle in it. Still, was a great film IMHO, would highly recommend. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:09, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

::Just saw the film again on Friday and, yeah, you're right it is a Steyr M9A1, I get the two mixed up. Patrice also ditches his Glock 18 when it runs empty and uses a standard 17 during the assassination scene, like you said. Also, I spotted a Tokarev on some news footage, but the footage was paused before it was fired. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:53, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:::Are we certain that it was an actual Glock 18 as a Glock 17 is usually just converted to fire full auto than them using an actual Glock 18. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 17:21, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::::It definitely is, the fire selector is clearly seen when it is first used. Conversely we can be relaively certain it is replaced with a Glock 17 later on as it lacks the selector (although the shot could have been flipped, I didn't look at the ejection port). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:40, 11 November 2012 (EST)

I believe the pistol used by the third bodyguard before Eve stomps on his arm was actually a Walther P99, the rear end looked pretty similar.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 19:41, 11 November 2012 (EST)
:Possibly, I have only seen the film once and is a very brief shot. However, at the time it struck me as a Steyr M9-A1, and if it is not then it is quite a coincidence that a definite one turns up later in the film. Also, I don't think they would include a Walther P99 in a Bond film and have Bond not use it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::No, it definitely wasn't a Walther, the front end was too tall. A Steyr is our best guess at this stage. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 08:16, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Just to confirm, the MG mounted on the Merlin is an M2HB, it is visible in [http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=70141 this] VLOG about helicopter filming about 25 seconds in. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)

== Quick question regarding the police shootout during M's public inquiry ==

Would an armed British police officer in real life be allowed to open fire straight away on the bad guy, if the bad guy suddenly starts shooting without warning? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 03:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:I believe the rule is "real and imminent threat to life". If the suspect has already opened fire then they are justified in shooting back without warning. But don't quote me on that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:14, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Another question I can think of. Does anyone here know any famous shootouts that involved armed Metropolitan Police officers in real life? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 15:12, 30 January 2013 (EST)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_incidents Read this. It lists all of them involving mostly CO19]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:07, 30 January 2013 (EST)
::I wouldn't really call any of those "shootouts". In fact the incidents listed there are mostly unarmed people or bystanders getting shot rather than armed criminals or the police. Now that I think about it, I can't even think of an incident where there was two way firing that the Met were involved in. Lethal incidents that I can think of either involve armed criminals being shot by the police before they can draw their weapon or fire, or incidents where unarmed police were killed by armed criminals, such as the Shepherd's Bush murders. One of the biggest "shootings" by the Met that I can think of was when [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azelle_Rodney Azelle Rodney] was shot, where multiple officers shot the tyres of the suspects car with Hatton rounds from shotguns whilst another shot at Rodney 8 times with his G36C through the drivers window. This is a case of the suspects being armed but not actually shooting though (they were armed with a .25 Auto derringer converted from a self defence gas gun, a Baikal IZH-79 gas gun (which is based on the Makarov PM) rebarrelled to 9x18mm and threaded for a suppressor, and a deactivated Colt .45 which had been partially reactivated). Just FYI for anyone who is curious, the Baikal IZH-79 has become one of the most common weapons used by armed criminals in London due to its ease of conversion and the fact that it can take a suppressor. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:47, 30 January 2013 (EST)

==PPK palm print scanner ==

Something just occurred to me on how much of a problem the palm print PPK can be and a problem in the scene it was first used in China. Bond checked his gun to see the green light but later one after he got off the elevator, he was wearing gloves...how does the gun go off with him holding the gun when the gun only fires when it reads his palm print? It's also obviously they wrote the palm sensor device for the one scene when "not odd job" takes his gun away and tried to shoot him. After that, we never see this kind of device ever again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:05, 4 February 2013 (EST)

I just watched the film again and maybe I missed something but I could have sworn that when he had the PPK in his hands he had his gloves off and when he put the PPK away he put his gloves back on? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 21:41, 12 February 2013 (EST)

That's my point. Does the gun only work on him or can anyone in MI6 use it? What happened if M had to use his gun during the final shoot out and he loses the palm print gun really early and gets a regular PPK later on so...this new tech was just pointless. I'd rather Q gave him that exploding pen. Would have been useful [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:00, 12 February 2013 (EST)

==Beretta 70==
Why is it even listed? You never see it at all. It's only mentioned.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:50, 15 February 2013 (EST)

== Add'l Images ==
==Beretta Model 70==
While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh.
[[Image:Beretta 70.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 70 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Skyfall 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh. She responds by saying you can never be sure with handsome men carrying Walthers.]]
[[File:Skyfall-eve-ppk.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Promotional image of Eve holding a Walther PPK/S.]]
[[File:Skyfall-raoul-silva.jpeg|thumb|300px|none|Promotional image of Raoul Silva holding a Steyr M9A1.]]
[[Image:SkyFall-Tower-Chase-Bond-PPK.jpg|400px|thumb|none|A picture from the set, showing James Bond during a foot chase at Tower Hill.]]
[[Image:Skyfall Glock17 CO19.jpg|thumb|none|200px|An SCO19 police officer has a [[Glock 17]] in his thigh holster (circled in red).]]

[[Image:B23-03359-r-jpg_221011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Bond wielding the PPK in a shootout.]]

[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond takes cover while carrying the HK416.]]

[[Image:Skyfall-20120411105930324_640w.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Production image of Gareth Mallory ([[Ralph Fiennes]]) as he picks up a Glock 17.]]

[[File:Skyfall-kincade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Production image of Kincade holding his Model 1878.]]

== Shotgun ID ==

Is there any reason for the very specific ID of the Colt Model 1878 as the shotgun used? I personally doubt this is the case, as firstly it seems like an odd shotgun for a Scottish game warden to be using, but more importantly it looks different to me. If nothing else the barrel release on the movie gun is under the trigger guard, whereas on the Colt it is in the more conventional (these days) position on top of the grip. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 16 February 2013 (EST)
==Glock 18==
having just watched the movie again,plus seeing some screencaps from other sources,I noted the top of the slide of Patrice's Glock 18 is solid,not
cut out as in the C model. It is a standard Glock 18, not an 18C.
Regards,
Tecolote

== PPK or PPK/S ==

I'm pretty sure that the only PPK/S in this movie is the one that Bond brings to China with the palm scanner.

The PPK's in the opening scene and the one back in London look like they have wear on them. They also don't seem to have the extended beavertail that the new Walthers have. I am pretty sure that these have to be the regular PPK in .32 ACP, as that had been used in Quantum of Solace. Also, The image of Bond reloading his PPK in the market in Istanbul shows the grips to be more reminiscent of a standard PPK (grips wrapping around the back of the gun grip) as opposed to a standard PPK/S (grips only on the sides of the grip, back of the grip is stainless steel). --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

:Also I think the side shot of the Walther during Bonds shooting test shows it is a PPK, as the back of a PPK/S grip plate is further forward with a square edge at the top. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

I have finally found the signature function for my above post I made a while ago. Do you think I should change the main page so it accurately reflects the PPK .32 being used and not the PPK/S .380? --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

== Spares ==

There's no reason to have twenty-two caps of the same gun for a two hour movie, especially since the gun itself isn't actually that clearly seen in a lot of them. I've trimmed it down to "only" twelve. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:08, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
[[File:SkyfallBeginPPKDraw.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond draws his PPK before entering a room.]]
[[File:Skyfallbeginppk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond holds his PPK while entering a room.]]
[[Image:EmptyPPKSkyfall.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond's PPK runs dry.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond levels his PPK while clearing a room.]]
[[File:Skyfall1933u8Range.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond looks very unhappy with his firearms qualification results.]]
[[Image:SkyfallPPK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Promotional image of James Bond ([[Daniel Craig]]) as he holds the Walther PPK/S in Shanghai. One might wonder why his palm print gun would still work with his gloves on, but in the film he doesn't actually wear them while holding the pistol.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 91.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond opens fire with his PPK during the inquiry board attack.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M ([[Judi Dench]]) stays in cover with Bond's PPK at the ready in the finale when Silva's men attack Skyfall Lodge.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-MPPKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M with the PPK. Dench does a good job at keeping her eyes open when she fires the gun.]]
[[File:SkyfallRangeTremble01239.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond's hand trembles while holding the PPK.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond with the PPK/S while in Shanghai as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-Toy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond aims his PPK at Silva under the tube station.]]

== Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... ==

If we take 100 9mm parabellum cartridges and swap all the lead bullets for depleted uranium, load them into a 100 round Beta-C mag, and then load that into a Glock 18 - How much would all of that weigh? Would it be possible to brandish and fire the gun with one hand?
Also, does anyone have any idea as to how much explosive propellant would be needed to make one of these DU bullets move at anything close to a useful velocity? Would it even be possible to fire such a round without completely destroying the pistol, and most of your arm with it? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 19:24, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
-Well the typical military grade DU alloys are about 1.67 times the density of lead, so I don't think the weight would be to much of an issue. However it would be completely impossible to fire the rounds at a useful velocity out of a pistol. Just another epic Hollywood research failure. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:33, 24 October 2013 (AEST)

Talk:Tomorrow, When the War Began

2012-11-16T05:56:13Z

Pravda616: /* Where the heck was the Aussie military? */

Is this an Australian remake of Red Dawn? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:26, 27 June 2011 (CDT)
:No. The film is based on a popular book series by author John Marsden. Although Red Dawn may have been an inspiration, the books are vastly different to the Red Dawn movie. --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 02:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Where the heck was the Aussie military? ==
The country gets invaded, so they send out ''one'' F-18? There's no sign whatsoever anywhere in the film, aside from that single plane, to indicate there was any kind of mobilization to counter the invasion. It's like the "Asian Coalition" just swept in unopposed. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 14 November 2012 (EST)

In the books it is stated the invasion happened so far and so suddenly that there was no time to send out any kind of counter attack against the invasion forces. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 20:21, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:If you anything about real military tactics, such an blitzkrieg kind of invasion can never happen. Say whatever you want about the Aussies, they aren't a slouch when it comes to the most modern technology and weapons. This is also the digital age, where something like a massive invasion like this on say a country like Australia can never get passed any of the other major powers like the US stepping in. Even back in the 80s, this idea was just pure fantasy. The story of this book and the movie is obviously Red Dawn today with Asians, which from reading the summary of the plot does not explain what the rest of the world is doing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:11, 14 November 2012 (EST)
::The author has stated that he deliberately didn't go into the details of the invasion or international response, simply because they weren't relevant to the plot. Presenting an accurate invasion scenario isn't the point, it's all about the characters response to it. P.S. Any similarities to Red Dawn are purely coincidental. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 13:20 16/11/12
:::That's a very lazy excuse. You don't write a story with things like this and completely didn't want to write about the big picture. You don't think the first thing the characters would ask is don't we live in the 21st century? And no, any similarities to Red Dawn is more than coincidental. Everybody knows up and down what Red Dawn is about. Now saying something like The Hunger Games having similarities to Battle Royale is purely coincidental makes sense [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:47, 15 November 2012 (EST)
::::''Everybody knows up and down what Red Dawn is about?'' I think you'll find that the majority of Australian's have never heard of Red Dawn. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 16:50 16/11/12

Talk:Tomorrow, When the War Began

2012-11-16T05:51:57Z

Pravda616: /* Where the heck was the Aussie military? */

Is this an Australian remake of Red Dawn? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:26, 27 June 2011 (CDT)
:No. The film is based on a popular book series by author John Marsden. Although Red Dawn may have been an inspiration, the books are vastly different to the Red Dawn movie. --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 02:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Where the heck was the Aussie military? ==
The country gets invaded, so they send out ''one'' F-18? There's no sign whatsoever anywhere in the film, aside from that single plane, to indicate there was any kind of mobilization to counter the invasion. It's like the "Asian Coalition" just swept in unopposed. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 14 November 2012 (EST)

In the books it is stated the invasion happened so far and so suddenly that there was no time to send out any kind of counter attack against the invasion forces. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 20:21, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:If you anything about real military tactics, such an blitzkrieg kind of invasion can never happen. Say whatever you want about the Aussies, they aren't a slouch when it comes to the most modern technology and weapons. This is also the digital age, where something like a massive invasion like this on say a country like Australia can never get passed any of the other major powers like the US stepping in. Even back in the 80s, this idea was just pure fantasy. The story of this book and the movie is obviously Red Dawn today with Asians, which from reading the summary of the plot does not explain what the rest of the world is doing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:11, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:: The author has stated that he deliberately didn't go into the details of the invasion or international response, simply because they weren't relevant to the plot. Presenting an accurate invasion scenario isn't the point, it's all about the characters response to it. P.S. Any similarities to Red Dawn are purely coincidental. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 12:20 16/11/12
:::That's a very lazy excuse. You don't write a story with things like this and completely didn't want to write about the big picture. You don't think the first thing the characters would ask is don't we live in the 21st century? And no, any similarities to Red Dawn is more than coincidental. Everybody knows up and down what Red Dawn is about. Now saying something like The Hunger Games having similarities to Battle Royale is purely coincidental makes sense [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:47, 15 November 2012 (EST)
::::''Everybody knows up and down what Red Dawn is about?'' I think you'll find that the majority of Australian's have never heard of Red Dawn. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 16:50 16/11/12

Talk:Tomorrow, When the War Began

2012-11-16T02:23:28Z

Pravda616: /* Where the heck was the Aussie military? */

Is this an Australian remake of Red Dawn? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:26, 27 June 2011 (CDT)
:No. The film is based on a popular book series by author John Marsden. Although Red Dawn may have been an inspiration, the books are vastly different to the Red Dawn movie. --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 02:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Where the heck was the Aussie military? ==
The country gets invaded, so they send out ''one'' F-18? There's no sign whatsoever anywhere in the film, aside from that single plane, to indicate there was any kind of mobilization to counter the invasion. It's like the "Asian Coalition" just swept in unopposed. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 14 November 2012 (EST)

In the books it is stated the invasion happened so far and so suddenly that there was no time to send out any kind of counter attack against the invasion forces. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 20:21, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:If you anything about real military tactics, such an blitzkrieg kind of invasion can never happen. Say whatever you want about the Aussies, they aren't a slouch when it comes to the most modern technology and weapons. This is also the digital age, where something like a massive invasion like this on say a country like Australia can never get passed any of the other major powers like the US stepping in. Even back in the 80s, this idea was just pure fantasy. The story of this book and the movie is obviously Red Dawn today with Asians, which from reading the summary of the plot does not explain what the rest of the world is doing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:11, 14 November 2012 (EST)
:: The author has stated that he deliberately didn't go into the details of the invasion or international response, simply because they weren't relevant to the plot. Presenting an accurate invasion scenario isn't the point, it's all about the characters response to it. P.S. Any similarities to Red Dawn are purely coincidental. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 12:20 16/11/12

Lewis Gun

2012-05-31T08:03:25Z

Pravda616: /* Film */

The Lewis light machine gun and variants appear in the following films, television series, and anime used by the following actors:

==Specifications==
*Type: Light Machine Gun
*In service: 1914-1953
*Designers: Samuel McClean, Colonel Isaac Newton Lewis, Birmingham Small Arms Co.
*Designed: 1911
*Produced: 1913-1942
*Manufacturers: Birmingham Small Arms Co., Savage Arms Co.
*Wars: World War I, World War II, Korean War, Arab-Israeli War
*Weight: 28 pounds (13 kg)
*Length: 50.5 inches (1,280 mm)
*Barrel length: 26.5 inches (670 mm)
*Width: 4.5 inches (110 mm)
*Cartridge: .303 British/.30-06 Springfield
*Action: Gas-operated
*Rate of fire: 500–600 rounds/min
*Muzzle velocity: 2440 ft/s
*Effective range: 880 yards (800 m)
*Maximum range: 3,500 yards (3,200 m)
*Feed system: 47- or 97-round drum magazine
*Sights: Blade and Tangent Leaf

==Infantry==
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|right|500px|Lewis Gun - .303 British]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[For Whom the Bell Tolls]]'' || [[Gary Cooper]] || Robert Jordan || || 1943
|-
| ''[[Passage to Marseille]]'' || [[Humphrey Bogart]] || Jean Matrac || || 1944
|-
| ''[[Desert Rats, The]]'' || || Australian soldiers || || 1953
|-
| ''[[633 Squadron]]'' || || RAF sentry || On the dual AA mount || 1964
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The (1966)|The Professionals]]'' || [[Lee Marvin]] || Rico || || 1966
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The (1966)|The Professionals]]'' || || Mexican soldiers || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Gavin MacLeod]] || Seaman Crosley || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Steve McQueen]] || Jake Holman || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Richard Crenna]] || Capt. Collins || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Last Escape]]'' || || || Mounted on a Soviet tank; visually modified as [[Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun#Degtyaryov DT|Degtyaryov DT]] || 1970
|-
| ''[[White Sun of the Desert (Beloye solntse pustyni)]]'' || [[Anatoly Kuznetsov]] || Fyodor Sukhov || || 1970
|-
| ''[[Dillinger (1973)|Dillinger]]'' || || U.S. Soldier || || 1973
|-
| ''[[Soldier of Orange]]'' || || || Dual mounted on fast patrol boat || 1977
|-
| ''[[March or Die]]'' || [[Terrence Hill]] || Marco Segrain || || 1977
|-
| ''[[Star Wars|Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope]]'' || || Imperial Sandtroopers || As the "T-21 Blaster Rifle" || 1977
|-
| ''[[Sixth (Shestoy), The|The Sixth (Shestoy)]]'' || [[Yevgeni Bakalov]] || Arystarch || || 1981
|-
| ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' || [[Alex Hyde-White]] || Jim Ferguson || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Lighthorsemen, The|The Lighthorsemen]]'' || || Australian soldier || || 1987
|-
| ''[[Michael Collins]]'' || [[Ian Hart]] || Joe O'Reilly || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Michael Collins]]'' || || Black And Tans || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Richard III]]'' || [[Ian McKellen]] || Richard of Gloucester || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Legionnaire]]'' || [[Jean Claude Van Damme]] || || || 1998
|-
| ''[[Trench, The|The Trench]]'' || || British soldiers || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Wind That Shakes The Barley, The|The Wind That Shakes the Barley]]'' || || IRA soldiers || || 2006
|-
| ''[[Passchendaele]]'' || [[Justin Michael Carriere]] || Pte Godin || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Passchendaele]]'' || || Canadian soldiers || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Kokoda (2010)|Kokoda]]'' || || Australian soldiers || || 2010
|-
| ''[[Sucker Punch]]'' || [[Emily Browning]] || Babydoll || || 2011
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Dad's Army]]'' || [[John Laurie]] || Private James Frazer || || 1968-1977
|-
| ''[[Anzacs]]'' || || Australian troops || || 1985
|-
| ''[[The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles]]'' || [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] || Indiana Jones || Ep.: Phantom Train of Doom || 1996
|-
| ''[[Lock 'n Load With R. Lee Ermey]]'' || || Shown in picture of soldiers in WWI || Season 1, Ep.: Machine Guns || 2009
|-
| ''[[Time Warp]]'' || || || Ep.: Splahes, Guns, and Bikes || 2009
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Fallout Tactics]]'' || "Lewis MKII" || || || 2001
|-
| ''[[Silent Storm]]'' || || || || 2003
|-
| ''[[Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault]]'' || || || Dual-mounted || 2004
|-
| ''[[Battlefield Heroes]]'' || || || || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Porco Rosso]]'' || A pirate || || 1992
|-
|}

===Animation===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Atlantis, The Lost Empire]]'' || Rourke || || 2001
|-
|}

==Aircraft Mounted==
[[Image:Rafmachinegunlewis3.jpg|thumb|right||450px|Aircraft mounted Lewis Gun - .303 British]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Hell's Angels]]'' || || || Mounted on the plane || 1930
|-
| ''[[Lost Patrol, The|The Lost Patrol]]'' || [[Victor McLaglen]] || The Sergeant || || 1934
|-
| ''[[Lost Patrol, The|The Lost Patrol]]'' || [[Wallace Ford]] || Morelli || || 1934
|-
| ''[[Guadalcanal Diary]]'' || || Japanese soldiers || || 1944
|-
| ''[[Aces High]]'' || [[Malcolm McDowell]] || Maj. John Gresham || || 1976
|-
| ''[[People That Time Forgot, The|The People That Time Forgot]]'' || [[Shane Rimmer]] || Hogan || || 1977
|-
| ''[[High Road to China]]'' || [[Tom Selleck]] || O'Malley || || 1983
|-
| ''[[Sky Bandits]]'' || [[Nicholas Lyndhurst]] || Chalky || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' || [[Alex Hyde-White]] || Jim Ferguson || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Mummy, The|The Mummy]]'' || [[Brendan Fraser]] || Rick O'Connell || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Mummy, The|The Mummy]]'' || [[Oded Fehr]] || Ardeth Bey || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Pearl Harbor]]'' || || || Mounted on Japanese bombers || 2001
|-
| ''[[King Kong (2005)|King Kong]]'' || || U.S. Army biplane crews || || 2005
|-
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Mail Call]]'' || || U.S. WWI soldiers || Mounted on planes ||
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Porco Rosso]]'' || || Mounted on a pirate plane || 1992
|-
| ''[[Cowboy Bebop the Movie: Knockin' on Heaven's Door]]'' || || Mounted on a Fairey Swordfish aircraft || 2001
|-
|}

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Machine Gun]]

Lewis Gun

2012-05-31T08:02:59Z

Pravda616: /* Film */

The Lewis light machine gun and variants appear in the following films, television series, and anime used by the following actors:

==Specifications==
*Type: Light Machine Gun
*In service: 1914-1953
*Designers: Samuel McClean, Colonel Isaac Newton Lewis, Birmingham Small Arms Co.
*Designed: 1911
*Produced: 1913-1942
*Manufacturers: Birmingham Small Arms Co., Savage Arms Co.
*Wars: World War I, World War II, Korean War, Arab-Israeli War
*Weight: 28 pounds (13 kg)
*Length: 50.5 inches (1,280 mm)
*Barrel length: 26.5 inches (670 mm)
*Width: 4.5 inches (110 mm)
*Cartridge: .303 British/.30-06 Springfield
*Action: Gas-operated
*Rate of fire: 500–600 rounds/min
*Muzzle velocity: 2440 ft/s
*Effective range: 880 yards (800 m)
*Maximum range: 3,500 yards (3,200 m)
*Feed system: 47- or 97-round drum magazine
*Sights: Blade and Tangent Leaf

==Infantry==
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|right|500px|Lewis Gun - .303 British]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[For Whom the Bell Tolls]]'' || [[Gary Cooper]] || Robert Jordan || || 1943
|-
| ''[[Passage to Marseille]]'' || [[Humphrey Bogart]] || Jean Matrac || || 1944
|-
| ''[[Desert Rats, The]]'' || || Australian soldiers || || 1953
|-
| ''[[633 Squadron]]'' || || RAF sentry || On the dual AA mount || 1964
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The (1966)|The Professionals]]'' || [[Lee Marvin]] || Rico || || 1966
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The (1966)|The Professionals]]'' || || Mexican soldiers || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Gavin MacLeod]] || Seaman Crosley || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Steve McQueen]] || Jake Holman || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Richard Crenna]] || Capt. Collins || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Last Escape]]'' || || || Mounted on a Soviet tank; visually modified as [[Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun#Degtyaryov DT|Degtyaryov DT]] || 1970
|-
| ''[[White Sun of the Desert (Beloye solntse pustyni)]]'' || [[Anatoly Kuznetsov]] || Fyodor Sukhov || || 1970
|-
| ''[[Dillinger (1973)|Dillinger]]'' || || U.S. Soldier || || 1973
|-
| ''[[Soldier of Orange]]'' || || || Dual mounted on fast patrol boat || 1977
|-
| ''[[March or Die]]'' || [[Terrence Hill]] || Marco Segrain || || 1977
|-
| ''[[Star Wars|Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope]]'' || || Imperial Sandtroopers || As the "T-21 Blaster Rifle" || 1977
|-
| ''[[Sixth (Shestoy), The|The Sixth (Shestoy)]]'' || [[Yevgeni Bakalov]] || Arystarch || || 1981
|-
| ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' || [[Alex Hyde-White]] || Jim Ferguson || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Lighthorsemen, The|The Lighthorsemen]]'' || || Australian soldier || || 1987
|-
| ''[[Michael Collins]]'' || [[Ian Hart]] || Joe O'Reilly || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Michael Collins]]'' || || Black And Tans || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Richard III]]'' || [[Ian McKellen]] || Richard of Gloucester || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Legionnaire]]'' || [[Jean Claude Van Damme]] || || || 1998
|-
| ''[[Trench, The|The Trench]]'' || || British soldiers || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Wind That Shakes The Barley, The|The Wind That Shakes the Barley]]'' || || IRA soldiers || || 2006
|-
| ''[[Passchendaele]]'' || [[Justin Michael Carriere]] || Pte Godin || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Passchendaele]]'' || || Canadian soldiers || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Kokoda (2010)|Kokoda]]'' || || Australian soldiers || || 2010
|-
| ''[[Sucker Punch]]'' || [[Emily Browning]] || Babydoll || 2011
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Dad's Army]]'' || [[John Laurie]] || Private James Frazer || || 1968-1977
|-
| ''[[Anzacs]]'' || || Australian troops || || 1985
|-
| ''[[The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles]]'' || [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] || Indiana Jones || Ep.: Phantom Train of Doom || 1996
|-
| ''[[Lock 'n Load With R. Lee Ermey]]'' || || Shown in picture of soldiers in WWI || Season 1, Ep.: Machine Guns || 2009
|-
| ''[[Time Warp]]'' || || || Ep.: Splahes, Guns, and Bikes || 2009
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Fallout Tactics]]'' || "Lewis MKII" || || || 2001
|-
| ''[[Silent Storm]]'' || || || || 2003
|-
| ''[[Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault]]'' || || || Dual-mounted || 2004
|-
| ''[[Battlefield Heroes]]'' || || || || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Porco Rosso]]'' || A pirate || || 1992
|-
|}

===Animation===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Atlantis, The Lost Empire]]'' || Rourke || || 2001
|-
|}

==Aircraft Mounted==
[[Image:Rafmachinegunlewis3.jpg|thumb|right||450px|Aircraft mounted Lewis Gun - .303 British]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Hell's Angels]]'' || || || Mounted on the plane || 1930
|-
| ''[[Lost Patrol, The|The Lost Patrol]]'' || [[Victor McLaglen]] || The Sergeant || || 1934
|-
| ''[[Lost Patrol, The|The Lost Patrol]]'' || [[Wallace Ford]] || Morelli || || 1934
|-
| ''[[Guadalcanal Diary]]'' || || Japanese soldiers || || 1944
|-
| ''[[Aces High]]'' || [[Malcolm McDowell]] || Maj. John Gresham || || 1976
|-
| ''[[People That Time Forgot, The|The People That Time Forgot]]'' || [[Shane Rimmer]] || Hogan || || 1977
|-
| ''[[High Road to China]]'' || [[Tom Selleck]] || O'Malley || || 1983
|-
| ''[[Sky Bandits]]'' || [[Nicholas Lyndhurst]] || Chalky || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' || [[Alex Hyde-White]] || Jim Ferguson || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Mummy, The|The Mummy]]'' || [[Brendan Fraser]] || Rick O'Connell || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Mummy, The|The Mummy]]'' || [[Oded Fehr]] || Ardeth Bey || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Pearl Harbor]]'' || || || Mounted on Japanese bombers || 2001
|-
| ''[[King Kong (2005)|King Kong]]'' || || U.S. Army biplane crews || || 2005
|-
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Mail Call]]'' || || U.S. WWI soldiers || Mounted on planes ||
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Porco Rosso]]'' || || Mounted on a pirate plane || 1992
|-
| ''[[Cowboy Bebop the Movie: Knockin' on Heaven's Door]]'' || || Mounted on a Fairey Swordfish aircraft || 2001
|-
|}

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Machine Gun]]

Lewis Gun

2012-05-31T08:02:21Z

Pravda616: /* Film */

The Lewis light machine gun and variants appear in the following films, television series, and anime used by the following actors:

==Specifications==
*Type: Light Machine Gun
*In service: 1914-1953
*Designers: Samuel McClean, Colonel Isaac Newton Lewis, Birmingham Small Arms Co.
*Designed: 1911
*Produced: 1913-1942
*Manufacturers: Birmingham Small Arms Co., Savage Arms Co.
*Wars: World War I, World War II, Korean War, Arab-Israeli War
*Weight: 28 pounds (13 kg)
*Length: 50.5 inches (1,280 mm)
*Barrel length: 26.5 inches (670 mm)
*Width: 4.5 inches (110 mm)
*Cartridge: .303 British/.30-06 Springfield
*Action: Gas-operated
*Rate of fire: 500–600 rounds/min
*Muzzle velocity: 2440 ft/s
*Effective range: 880 yards (800 m)
*Maximum range: 3,500 yards (3,200 m)
*Feed system: 47- or 97-round drum magazine
*Sights: Blade and Tangent Leaf

==Infantry==
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|right|500px|Lewis Gun - .303 British]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[For Whom the Bell Tolls]]'' || [[Gary Cooper]] || Robert Jordan || || 1943
|-
| ''[[Passage to Marseille]]'' || [[Humphrey Bogart]] || Jean Matrac || || 1944
|-
| ''[[Desert Rats, The]]'' || || Australian soldiers || || 1953
|-
| ''[[633 Squadron]]'' || || RAF sentry || On the dual AA mount || 1964
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The (1966)|The Professionals]]'' || [[Lee Marvin]] || Rico || || 1966
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The (1966)|The Professionals]]'' || || Mexican soldiers || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Gavin MacLeod]] || Seaman Crosley || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Steve McQueen]] || Jake Holman || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Sand Pebbles]]'' || [[Richard Crenna]] || Capt. Collins || || 1966
|-
| ''[[The Last Escape]]'' || || || Mounted on a Soviet tank; visually modified as [[Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun#Degtyaryov DT|Degtyaryov DT]] || 1970
|-
| ''[[White Sun of the Desert (Beloye solntse pustyni)]]'' || [[Anatoly Kuznetsov]] || Fyodor Sukhov || || 1970
|-
| ''[[Dillinger (1973)|Dillinger]]'' || || U.S. Soldier || || 1973
|-
| ''[[Soldier of Orange]]'' || || || Dual mounted on fast patrol boat || 1977
|-
| ''[[March or Die]]'' || [[Terrence Hill]] || Marco Segrain || || 1977
|-
| ''[[Star Wars|Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope]]'' || || Imperial Sandtroopers || As the "T-21 Blaster Rifle" || 1977
|-
| ''[[Sixth (Shestoy), The|The Sixth (Shestoy)]]'' || [[Yevgeni Bakalov]] || Arystarch || || 1981
|-
| ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' || [[Alex Hyde-White]] || Jim Ferguson || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Lighthorsemen, The|The Lighthorsemen]]'' || || Australian soldier || || 1987
|-
| ''[[Michael Collins]]'' || [[Ian Hart]] || Joe O'Reilly || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Michael Collins]]'' || || Black And Tans || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Richard III]]'' || [[Ian McKellen]] || Richard of Gloucester || || 1996
|-
| ''[[Legionnaire]]'' || [[Jean Claude Van Damme]] || || || 1998
|-
| ''[[Trench, The|The Trench]]'' || || British soldiers || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Wind That Shakes The Barley, The|The Wind That Shakes the Barley]]'' || || IRA soldiers || || 2006
|-
| ''[[Passchendaele]]'' || [[Justin Michael Carriere]] || Pte Godin || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Passchendaele]]'' || || Canadian soldiers || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Kokoda (2010)|Kokoda]]'' || || Australian soldiers || || 2010
|-
| ''[[Sucker Punch]]'' || || [[Emily Browning]] || || Babydoll || || 2011
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Dad's Army]]'' || [[John Laurie]] || Private James Frazer || || 1968-1977
|-
| ''[[Anzacs]]'' || || Australian troops || || 1985
|-
| ''[[The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles]]'' || [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] || Indiana Jones || Ep.: Phantom Train of Doom || 1996
|-
| ''[[Lock 'n Load With R. Lee Ermey]]'' || || Shown in picture of soldiers in WWI || Season 1, Ep.: Machine Guns || 2009
|-
| ''[[Time Warp]]'' || || || Ep.: Splahes, Guns, and Bikes || 2009
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Fallout Tactics]]'' || "Lewis MKII" || || || 2001
|-
| ''[[Silent Storm]]'' || || || || 2003
|-
| ''[[Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault]]'' || || || Dual-mounted || 2004
|-
| ''[[Battlefield Heroes]]'' || || || || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Porco Rosso]]'' || A pirate || || 1992
|-
|}

===Animation===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Atlantis, The Lost Empire]]'' || Rourke || || 2001
|-
|}

==Aircraft Mounted==
[[Image:Rafmachinegunlewis3.jpg|thumb|right||450px|Aircraft mounted Lewis Gun - .303 British]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Hell's Angels]]'' || || || Mounted on the plane || 1930
|-
| ''[[Lost Patrol, The|The Lost Patrol]]'' || [[Victor McLaglen]] || The Sergeant || || 1934
|-
| ''[[Lost Patrol, The|The Lost Patrol]]'' || [[Wallace Ford]] || Morelli || || 1934
|-
| ''[[Guadalcanal Diary]]'' || || Japanese soldiers || || 1944
|-
| ''[[Aces High]]'' || [[Malcolm McDowell]] || Maj. John Gresham || || 1976
|-
| ''[[People That Time Forgot, The|The People That Time Forgot]]'' || [[Shane Rimmer]] || Hogan || || 1977
|-
| ''[[High Road to China]]'' || [[Tom Selleck]] || O'Malley || || 1983
|-
| ''[[Sky Bandits]]'' || [[Nicholas Lyndhurst]] || Chalky || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' || [[Alex Hyde-White]] || Jim Ferguson || || 1986
|-
| ''[[Mummy, The|The Mummy]]'' || [[Brendan Fraser]] || Rick O'Connell || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Mummy, The|The Mummy]]'' || [[Oded Fehr]] || Ardeth Bey || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Pearl Harbor]]'' || || || Mounted on Japanese bombers || 2001
|-
| ''[[King Kong (2005)|King Kong]]'' || || U.S. Army biplane crews || || 2005
|-
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Mail Call]]'' || || U.S. WWI soldiers || Mounted on planes ||
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|''' Date'''
|-
| ''[[Porco Rosso]]'' || || Mounted on a pirate plane || 1992
|-
| ''[[Cowboy Bebop the Movie: Knockin' on Heaven's Door]]'' || || Mounted on a Fairey Swordfish aircraft || 2001
|-
|}

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Machine Gun]]

Battle of Britain

2012-04-11T05:36:20Z

Pravda616: /* Browning M2 Quad Mount */

[[Image:BattleofB.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Battle of Britain'' (1969)]]

''Battle of Britain'' is a 1969 World War II film that depicts the events surrounding the British RAF's defence of London against the German Luftwaffe in 1940. The film was directed by [[Guy Hamilton]] and featured an all-star cast including [[Michael Caine]], [[Christopher Plummer]], [[Ian McShane]], [[Edward Fox]] and [[Robert Shaw]] (Fox and Shaw would reunite with Guy Hamilton for ''[[Force 10 from Navarone]]''.)

'''The following weapons appear in the film ''Battle of Britain'':'''

__TOC__ 

== MG15 Machine Gun ==
During the Battle of Britain, Heinkel He-111 bombers can be seen armed with [[MG15 machine gun]]s as defensive armament. The He-111s in this film were actually Spanish Air Force CASA 2.111s, which were still being used in auxiliary roles at the time.
[[Image:MG15.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MG15 machine gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This is an excellent shot of the Rolls Royce Merlin engines of the CASA 2.111, which distinguishes it from a real He-111.]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 11.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Hispano-Suiza HS.404 20mm cannon==
Like almost all post-war movies featuring the Messerschmitt ME-109, the ME-109s in this film are "played" by Hispano Aviación HA-1112s, which are ME-109s which were license-built in Spain during and following the war. HA-1112s were armed with [[Hispano-Suiza HS.404]] 20mm cannons in the wings, which can trace a common ancestry to the Oerlikon FF 20mm cannon with the German MG FF 20mm cannon that it was meant to portray.
[[Image:Hispano Suiza HS404.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Hispano-Suiza HS.404 20mm with ammo drum]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== Browning AN/M2 Machine Gun ==
The RAF Spitfire and Hurricane fighters can be seen armed with the Mk 2 machine guns, the British version of the American [[Browning AN/M2]] machine gun as the main armament, chambered for the .303 British round instead of the American .30-06 cartridge.
[[Image:ANM230fixed.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Mk 2 machine gun .303 British]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hawker Hurricane fighters in flight. Each wing contains a cluster of four Browning MGs each.]]

==MG34==
An [[MG34]] is briefly seen in a bunker on the German airfield.
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 light machine gun]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Mauser Karabiner 98k==
German soldiers are seen armed with [[Karabiner 98k|Mauser Kar98k]] rifles.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==MAS-36 Rifle ==
French troops are seen on the Allied airfield armed with [[MAS-36]] Rifles.
[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== Browning M2 Quad Mount ==
What appears to be Browning M2's in a Quad Mount is seen on a German transport train. Probably meant to represent a Flakvierling 38, which were often mounted on German trains.
[[Image:M51 Quad.jpg|400px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:BattleBrit 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==SMLE No.1 Mk.III==
[[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|SMLE No.1 Mk.III]]s are seen in the hands of several members of an LDV (Local Defence Volunteers) unit.
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during the First World War, introduced in 1907 it has seen action throughout the 20th century.]]
[[File:BOB-SMLE1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An SMLE can be seen in the hands of one of the LDV unit members.]]

==Double-barrelled Shotgun==
A number of members of the LDV unit are armed with [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|double-barrelled side-by-side shotguns]] of various models and configurations.
[[File:BOB-DBSTGN-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LDV soldiers armed with double-barrelled shotguns.]]

==Webley & Scott No. 1 Mk. III* Signal Pistol==
[[Webley & Scott Signal Pistols|Webley & Scott No. 1 Mk. III* Signal Pistols]] are used at various points in the film.

[[Image:Webley Signal Pistol.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Webley & Scott No. 1 Mk. III* Signal Pistol - 1 inch]]
[[File:BOB-WSS1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Webley & Scott No. 1 Mk. III* is used to warn the incoming pilot he's about to belly-land his Spitfire.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Guy Hamilton]]
[[Category: British Produced/Filmed]]

Talk:Dirty Harry

2011-12-28T04:55:16Z

Pravda616: /* Arisaka suppressor */

I've read that the gun actually was a Model 25 in .45 Colt. The substitution for the M29 was lack of availability of a M29 and the easy availability of blank cartridges in .45 Colt (which were probably widely used in Colt Peacemakers in Westerns).
:I heard it was a Model 57 in .41 caliber, but it makes more sense for it to be a Model 25, because .45 Colt blanks were very common thanks to the ridiculous amount of westerns made during that time. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
It can't be a model 25. It looks completely different near the forcing cone and cylinder lock-up as well. Gunmaster45, you heard correctly. It is a model 57 in 41 Magnum. Dead ringer except for calibre and the muzzle size difference will not be noticed between those two calibers on screen.

John Milius supplied the Model 29 for the film then both Ellis Mercantile and Stembridge Gun Rentals supplied them. The ones from Ellis Mercantile and Stembridge Gun Rentals were .44 Magnums but were re-chambered to use 5 in 1 blanks. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

== John Milius Model 29 ==
What is known is that after ''[[Magnum Force]]'' was finished Milius was presented with a Model 29 by CLint Eastwood and Warner Brothers. It has a small plaque on the grip. I've seen numerous photos of it and a few years ago it was on display at the NRA's museum in Virgina. Does anyone know if that Model 29 was used in either movie or was it just a gift? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

==It was a Model 29(maybe)==
It has also been written that two Model 29's '''''were''''' used in the filming of [[Dirty Harry]]. The Smith & Wesson company historian, Roy Jinks, has stated that the company was approached by Warner Brothers before filming had begun with a request for specimens. Evidently no Model 29's could be found to purchase. The Model 29 was something of a "niche" gun in the fifties and sixties and S&W did not produce large numbers of the 44 magnum revolver.

There had not been a production run for awhile and they had become rather scarce on the market. The factory did have parts on hand and were able to put together two models for the production. However all they had were 6.5 inch barrels so that's what the film went with.

John Milius has stated in the past that when he was doing fine tuning on the script he gave Inspector Callahan a Model 29 with a 4 inch barrel. Which makes sense since since it would be more practical for a cop to carry the 4" version. Of course practical in this case in more a matter of schemantics.

As others have said though it's hard to know what really occurred. The makers of [[Dirty Harry]] had no way of knowing that they were involved with pop culture history and nobody thought to keep accurate records about the props. So we continue to have fun debating all the possible models used by Inspector Callahan.And while your bringing it geel free to identify yourself like I just did. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:59, 16 April 2009

I would also bring to the table that in 1971 gun accuracy was not high priority. Revolvers shooting 123 rounds without ever reloading. Even today 100% gun accuracy isn't achievable. You must remember it's hollywood. However if you start reading printed books and that kind of thing on the topic you will see that it was indeed a model 57. Also saying that "Harry" said it is a 44 magnum doesn't make it so. Just because a character in a movie claims it to be a something definately doesn't make it so. Now on Magnum Force and his later movies I'm sure it was a model 29 but for Dirty Harry (the movie of this page) it definately is a model 57. If you really want to I can go get some book references for you and post them here. However that is going to take some time going through my library but I will. Myth busting when it comes to be guns is what I like. So bring it. [[Potentpoefie]]

Okay. It's supposed to be a Model 29 in the movie.Even if it was actually a Model 57 that was used. And I have also read so called printed books which was where I got the info about Roy Jinks and the Model 29's being used. So once again I'm going to change it.Also I get the impression that almost everyone here is accepting of the fact that it might have been a Model 57, but don't ''really care''. However I would like to see your references.Please post them. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] I don't know if I should thank you are swear at you. I had to go through 17 year's worth of gun magazines. However I knew I read about it before. But I finally found the articles. The thank you part comes in because I took the time and finally organized those 17 year's worth of gun magazine. So without even going to online references here you go.
Man Magnum March 1998 - One-Stop Shot by Keith Dyer
Man Magnum November 1998 - The Movie Guns of Clint Eastwood by Paul Scarlata
Man Magnum July 2006 - 44 Magnum - The First Fifty Years by Keith Dyer
So now this model 29 is turning into a model 57 again and if it doesn't bother you so much then I guess it's fine.
[[Potentpoefie]]

Yeah okay. I'm calling a truce. I'm leaving it to [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] to decide what he wants to do. He's basically the webmaster and it's his site. Peace my brother. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Well no peace to be made. Nobody declared war. Like I said. Thanks. It was an experience going through those magazines. Funny how what is "tactical/practical" has changed over the years. [[Potentpoefie]]

I took the snap below and brightened the image to better see the magnum markings. It looks like 44 Magnum to me. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DH-00002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|looks like 44 Magnum to me]]
:[[Image:DH1S&W25-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:[[Image:DH1S&W25-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:I'm pretty sure that this is a .44 Magnum bore, because I've seen a Model 29 up close and remember it looking just like this. I've never seen a Model 25, but some pictures I've seen online suggest it doesn't look like this.

:My guess is that they used the Model 25 mostly for the firing scenes, the Model 29 whenever the gun wasn't fired. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rifle as Evidence ==

The reason the rifle was not viable evidence is because it was "fruit of the poisonous tree." Harry had no warrant to search the stadium so evidence pulled from the scene is not admissible in court. this is the reason stated in the movie BUT any halfway decent cop and district attorney would make it a legal search due to it being "fresh pursuit" not to mention the exigent circumstance of said pursuit. moreover scorpio could only get the protection of that statute if he were a legal resident of the stadium and i am pretty sure he wouldn't be recognized as such legally. so in reality it wouldn't happen quite like that, but the entire movie was an exercise of complaint at the systems apparent apathy towards victims rights and total obsession with criminal rights. so the whole point is rendered moot. just felt like sharing.

=================
I concur. the statement on the picture is just careless. However, the doctor said that the groundskeeper let him live there. That was the easy way they explained he was legally living there. Contract living or not, the implication that his living space is consensual with the owners or caretakers is legally enough to make it a protected area which requires a warranted search. Also, there was no "hot pursuit" or fresh pursuit. they were led to the stadium through a tip. They didn't see him run there and they didn't follow him in. Just my two cents [[Special:Contributions/69.23.137.224|69.23.137.224]] 07:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Your point is quite valid, I only brought it up as it was a topic in my Substantive Law class. The fresh pursuit part isn't so much about actively chasing the suspect into the area, but the small amount of time that has passed in the pursuit, bolstered by the exigent circumstances (which is a trump card). The trouble with the groundskeeper giving permission to live there is that he (in all probability) has no legal standing to grant that permission. Since Scorpio is effectively a squatter and the "search" was more or less the rifle being in plain view during the course of a lawful arrest (if i remember correctly) the point is again moot. But I do agree with you on a few levels, I just merely wanted to point out that the topic in question is more of a legal quagmire than the cut and dry "you were bad, Harry" that the movie states or the cut and dry "they have the rifle there just use it as evidence" that others wish were the case. Just adding a few more cents, I think I'm up to a nickel now. =P

== Harry and the 4th Amendment ==

I can't speak for 1971 but in 2009 if I was in a similar situation a couple phone calls and I would have a very quick answer from the on-call prosecutor. Also I would call my superior and make sure that I surrounded the stadium with officers and locked it down. I've gotten search warrants before and a couple times it only took about 90 minutes. Plus there would be a very good chance that the PA (prosecutor) would give you the green light to enter based on the exigent circumstances.

Also I imagine that you could contact the owner or owners and get permission to search fairly quickly. Especially considering the circumstances. Most people are essentially good and want to help the police. At least in the U.S.A. But if they showed that the system was somewhat flexible and that other folks also wanted to save the girl than Harry would lose his Lone Wolf status. That would have changed the whole movie and fun would that be?

I own all the Dirty Harry movies and I'm a fan of Clint Eastwood, but they are works of fiction and they play fast and loose with the law in order to make a political/social point. Your observations are dead on. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said it though when you said, '''you can't speak for 1971'''. It was a different time. You can't compare today with 1971. Heck, I used to ride my motorcycle with a Springfield 03 rifle slung on my back (not in a case) down the 101 freeway on the way to a target shoot and nobody cared. This was back in the 1970s IN California (!?) Times surely have changed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the politics of the film was in response to a lot of the changes brought about by the Warren court. I'm sure many people may have resented that these rulings swung in favor of the accused at the cost of the police. (Gideon, Miranda, Mapp, Escobedo, etc) But since then, with more conservative courts, some of that has been rolled back or relaxed, like Miranda. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

In the spring of 1981 I was thirteen and in 7th grade. Near the end of the school year my P.E. teacher let us have a "Fun Day" which included many activities to include archery. One of my friends brought his Barnett Crossbow and a quiver full of bolts onto the bus and walked with it into our school. The only thing he had to do was leave it with the P.E. teacher until classtime. But at the end of the day he rode the bus home with the crossbow and bolts and nobody even went "eek". That was just 29 years ago. Times do change don't they? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

When I would walk to school in My Homestate of North Carolina, I would see men huntin' (My house was on a dirt road) in the open where everybody could see them and Me and My Friends just thought it was normal, but when I moved out of the country and into the city, with My Grandpa's old Springfield M1903A3 Rifle slung over My shoulder and a 1911A1 pistol tucked into the waist of my pants , driving an old 1950's pickup truck with half the paint worn off. Now imagine driving to New York in 1979 wearing the old uniform your father wore during the Korean War with a pair suspenders and a hand-me-down bandana soaked in blood and sweet. I saw things I didn't even think existed. That was the strangest moment in My Life. Now everbody used to seeing that stuff. The small town I lived near has been abandoned and torn down to make place for a tourist trap and mini mall. I searched for the America I grew up in and could not find it. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 03:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== .44 Magnum/.41 Magnum ==
From what I remember reading in gun mags of the time, when they contacted Smith & Wesson a week before production was due to start no M29's where being produced at that time. They where in the middle of a run of M57 .41 Magnums, which are identical appart from the differance in Calibur. They sent them a pair of these with an advisory note not to film the muzzle until some .44's could be sourced to replace them.

This means that i was fooled, i always believed that it was a Model 29, god this isn't a good week for me.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== M57 vs. M29 ==

It's a moot point what the real model was. In the movie it's identified as a S&W 44 magnum which means it's a Model 29. So I'm going to take the liberty of changing it ''back'' to being identified as a Model 29, but with all the info still included. Anyway the company historian has stated that the production company did use a couple Model 29's that the factory put together from spare parts. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Arisaka paratrooper rifle ==

I understand that sporterising a rare firearm negates its value as a collector's item, but is it possible that this particular Arisaka could remain valuable due to its appearance in this film?

That exact specimen would probably get a large amount of money at auction as long as there was provenance. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

::Only as a movie memorabilia, not as a collector gun. There is a difference. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

:::I have to ask: what happens to movie prop guns when they're worn out? (I presume they get worn out.) Are they destroyed? Are they still considered firearms and regulated as such? Can they be converted back into regular firearms? Are they sold as collector's items? I'm sure the hero guns will go to some museum or something, but what of the rest? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::They are usually sold off to other prop houses/armories or gun collectors. Many of Stembridge's guns were sold to collectors in other states (back in 1999) when the Anti gun Atty General Bill Lockyer (D) was dead set on trying to nail Stembridge. The 1990s were a DARK TIME for gun rights. Dan Shea brokered a lot of the Title II sales to other buyers outside of California. You are right about the pendulum swinging back, but a lot of damage has been done and I don't see how many of the laws which really hurt armorers / gun owners can be turned back at the state level. We'll see. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, I was curious about the appearance of the takedown Arisaka in film, as it seems to have been a rather rare specimen compared to the scores of Type 38/Type 99 rifles brought back from the Second World War and the Korean War. Still, it appeared from time to time in movies, I remember Raymond Shaw (Lawrence Harvey) used one in The Manchurian Candidate.

== Scorpio Killer ==

I think the scorpio killer was supposed to be potrayed as a nazi or a racial socialist. He uses two of the most infamous nazi firearms in film, he had blonde hair and blue eyes, and finally he had a racial slur of african americans in his first death note.

== Arisaka suppressor ==

What type of suppressor is the suppressor used on the Arisaka? I can't remember any suppressors being made for the Arisaka before WWII, or indeed if it was able to use any sort of suppressor. Also, it's called a 'paratrooper' rifle, were they ever actually used by Japanese paratroopers? Were there any Japanese paratroopers during WWII?

Actually in WWII the Japanese had two separate paratrooper forces. Both the ''Special Naval Landing Forces'' (Marines) and the ''Imperial Army Air Force'' developed their own paratroopers. Although like the German ''Fallschirmjäger'' they only jumped a few times early in the war and spent the rest of it fighting as infantry. As for the Type 2 Paratroop Rifle, it wasn't designed for a suppressor, so it would have to custom fitted. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:53 28/12/11

Talk:Franchi SPAS-12

2011-08-18T09:08:04Z

Pravda616: /* Actually firing semiauto on film */

is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12
:Yup, and the AA12 has taken its place. At least the AA12 isn't heavy and useless-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

- Plus the Benelli M3 gave us the same gun without being quite as heavy or bulky. Still, the SPAS will always have that eternal beefy and badass look to it - Which is the main reason it was used so much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:It's really strange to me that the AA12 has become the latest, coolest auto-shotgun of choice in movies lately, considering that the design is actually ''older'' than the SPAS-12. But yes, Hollywood definitely loves the SPAS, or did. They were still appearing in tons of movies long after Franchi discontinued them. I kinda wish the SPAS-15 had caught on, but no go. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:I held a Spas 12 last year and it seems to be heavier than my AR. I still have no clue why people love them so damn much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

is the look, it has a intimidating appearance.
The AA12 looks cool and could be a effective weapons system. I don't see modern army adopting as a main rifle, because it the size of a rifle but don't have the range. Rex095
:I'd imagine that no one is going to adopt it as a main rifle because IT'S NOT A RIFLE TO BEGIN WITH.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:He meant as a main infantry individual firearm, don't pick on words.
::Doesn't matter. [[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] was correct. A shotgun will NEVER be a main infantry weapon anyway. So the initial comment was weird. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I have the Franchi SPAS 12 in my armory. It sucks. Seriously. It's hard to rack rounds on pump action and it tends to jam on semi auto action (either LIVE rounds at the range or blanks rounds with a BFA doesn't matter, it is still really finicky). It tried hard to be the best of both worlds and sucks at both. It's heavy, clunky and is hard to use. Why do you see so many times in films it's used ONLY as a pump action shotgun? because the semiauto action sucks and jams. What I dont' understand is why Franchi didn't just make a dedicated pump action shotgun that LOOKED like the SPAS12 (to get around the stupid "Assault weapon bans" in various states in the US), cut down on the weight and make the action smooth and light. Just the bad ass looks alone would have been a selling point. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Pfff. i don't care if it looks badass. it a useless hunk of metal. you want a Better, comparible weapon? benelli M3T, ligghter, sleeker, RELIABLE, nearly any shotgun in a combat test would beat a SPAS. For something scary or bad ass that is a better choice for movies? Saiga 12k, Protecta, striker, HS model 10A or a USAS-12. But they picked the SPAS. i was offered to shoot one at a gun convention and i passed. because the SPAS is 9 odd pounds of ''Scheisse'' [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Guess I'm the only one on this site who loves the SPAS 12. :( 9 pounds, pfff, that's not much at all, the AA12 is probably heavier and it's bulkier than the SPAS 12 to boot (not that the AA12's bad in any way). did you know that heavier shotguns are much easier to control and maintain while firing than say, 6 to 7 pound shotguns. Well MoviePropMaster2008 I think you got a lemon SPAS 12 (I bet you can find a lemon Benelli M1014 (my next favorite shotgun) and it's one of the most reliable shotguns in the world!), I've heard from other sources that the SPAS 12 is very reliable, it's possible you have a civilian version (Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun), which is probably inferior to the Military version (Special Purpose Automatic Shotgun). I love the SPAS 12 and all it's heavy bulkiness, and you won't make me think differently. :) I not saying its the best shotgun ever but its diffidently a great one. Try talking to actual SPAS 12 users and see what you get. Oh by the way, Protecta/Striker suck because they take way to long to reload and I've heard the USAS-12 isn't very reliable. What's a HS Model 10A? The SPAS 12 being finicky, 1911 pistols can also be finicky but people still love them and carry them into combat.

::Wait a minute. ''' DO YOU OWN ONE?''' If you don't then you don't hold much sway over those who actually own the shotgun. Also, you asked what an HS10A was. It stands for High Standard Model 10A, which was one of the FIRST bullpup auto shotguns in production. But I wait to see if you own one, and whether or not it is a civilian one or a military one. And also, identify yourself when you post :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
[[Image:HIghStandardM10Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard Model 10A shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10A had the flashlight integral to the body of the shotgun and is the rarer of the two models.]]
[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|400px|none|High Standard Model 10B shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10B had a removeable carry handle and bar to attach both a handle and a flashlight.]]
:That's cool, but it doesn't look as "scary or bad ass" as the SPAS 12 though. Unfortunately, no, I do not own a one (god I wish I did, I'm too poor), :( but don't count me out. :| Sorry, I just know a lot of stuff about the SPAS 12. My sources are reliable and non-biased. I still think you just got a bad SPAS 12 though. Fussing at me about the liking the SPAS 12, is like fussing at someone for liking the Browning HP or the Colt 1911 80s series instead of the Beretta 92FS or the HK USP45 (The former is technically better than the latter).
::I own two Franchi SPAS-12s and have handled SIX. Fussing at you because you like the gun? No. Fussing at you because you're arguing like you know what you're talking about. Yes. It is amazing that you have such a strong opinion of a firearm you don't own and possibly have never even touched or fired. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wit one moment... "Military" and "Civilian" Versions? I thought the reason for the "Special Purpose" vs "Sporting Purpose" terminology was because Franchi changed it to be more press-friendly. As far as I knew, they were the same damn gun. Also, anon editor; 9 pounds doesn't look like much on paper, but you compared it to a much larger weapon. Go ahead, pick up a SPAS-12 and try not to feel revolted by the weight. I can also assume that you've never tried operating the "controls" on one. It's like Franchi would rather you never be able to even pump the damn thing. (sorry, MPM08, I don't ''own'' one either, but I did get the... "privilege"... to try one out).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 15:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

::- I've read plenty of stuff about the SPAS, and from what I gather, the overall quality and practicality of the gun is questionable at best. I've read several things and notes, some good and some bad, and 'seems questionable' is the overall opinion I make. I won't ever have a valid personal opinion of my own until I try one out for myself - and until then, I will speak with no certainty of any kind about the SPAS. I will say that the others have a point about the weight though - 9 lbs is actually quite heavy for a shoulder-arm, especially for one you might have to lug around for a while. Nonetheless, nobody's trying to discount you because you like them. I think it does look cool and awesome, and like it to that extent myself. But I think the same way about a number of guns, some of which are no better than the SPAS in terms of practical use. Good aesthetics is nice but it doesn't automatically equal a great firearm. Like you, I'd still like to handle one, if only to see for myself whether or not it is that bad. In the end, I will give MPM's word some considerable weight, as the man has handled more firearms than I can even count (and indeed owns about that many). To Franchi's credit, I will give them a bit of a break for trying to be somewhat innovative. Even if it didn't work all that well in the case of the SPAS, it helped pave the way for the Benelli M3 and probably helped some other concepts as well that do work. But overall, in a practical sense, the weapon is not the most desirable from what I've read. Again, that's my own view though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks StanTheMan my head was about to explode. :) I am diffidently giving MPM's word some considerable weight. Frankly, I don't give a damn about weight. A fully kited M16A4 or other like assault rifles weighs 10 pounds or even more, a milled receiver AK-47 type III weighs over 10 pounds, and a Thompson Sub Machine Gun weighs almost 14 pounds! I don't even know how much an AA12 weighs, 10 to 16 pounds. revolted by the weight, please. And I can't sign because I don't have an account, and I don't know if I want one anymore, because every gun page I go on everybody hates every gun, the 92FS, 1911, G36, MP5, Tommy Gun etc. God the SPAS 12 isn't like the L85A1 or something.

Look, the SPAS is an awful weapon. the Irish Army Rangers figured that out pretty quick and booted it in favor of the Benelli M3T. the Striker and protecta are meant for lightning assault and ambushes. USAS is a very well made shotgun. the High Standards Model 10A is a very innovative shotgun. the Saiga 12K is the BEST shotgun in my mind, Semi Auto, Magazine Fed, Reliable and light. it is much better than the SPAS. i can think of nearly 15+ shotguns that would beet the SPAS in nearly any category. and by the way Badassness is not a real category-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:I thought people gave up SPAS 12 because it was "big and heavy" not because it was unreliable. Kinda like the Navy SEALs gave up the Mark. 23 because it was "big and heavy".

no, the SPAS was dumped because the IAR decided it was unreliable and not worth the price. then the adopted by the M3t. BTW you right about the MK23 but that was a reliable pistol. plus the P226, the MK23 replacement held more ammo. which was good for Log Range Recon patrols.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:That sucks, the SOCOM only holds three less rounds and it's a very controllable and accurate .45

I agree. A very good .45 is the HK45-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:Not good as the MK23 though. :(

Well, at least I have the Benelli M1014/M4 to fall back on. :P -(The guy who liked The SPAS 12 and fussed about it but doesn't own one. :P) Edit: I just found out that the later model SPAS 12s in nearly new condition are very reliable with almost all types of shotgun ammunition in semi-auto and are much easier to pump, look here [http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=c61939ed37126617a3e1a46d5f017e89&t=60729/ link] idk, what do you think. :)

I really hate these people that speak of experiance when they don't have any. No the MK23 isn't worth the price, neither is the USP or the HK45. If you want on my page is a link that sums up what I think of HK that is truthful.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:What are you talking about! The MK23 is a great handgun, it's just kinda big and heavy. The USP may not be as accurate as the 92FS or the P220/P226 but it's a excellent and high quality handgun. What's your problem? Are you the same guy who hates the Beretta 92FS?
::No, the Mk23 is a terrible handgun. It may be accurate and reliable, but there are ''dozens'' of other weapons that are just as reliable and accurate without being an awkward, oversized, poorly balanced foot-long piece of metal that costs $2,000. And how does him hating the MK.23 have anything to do with the 92F?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

The guns that I hate are the ones that don't work and the newer HK guns. I'm pretty biased against them because of their overpriced guns and them crapping on the civilians. I think the 92 is a wonderful handgun. If you decide to make an account, answer this, how is the USP series worth the higher price? What makes it high quality?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

:SIG-Sauer pistols cost just as much as H&K pistols. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:06, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

==Just protected this page==
Don't like completely ANONYMOUS IP addresses arguing with folks. Once you get to a certain point of talking with (and more importantly arguing with IMFDB members) you had better make an account so that you have a contribution history. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised that this whole site isn't locked so that only people with accounts can post. That would weed alot of the idiots out.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

::''I really hate these people that speak of experiance when they don't have any.''

::With all due respect, Mr. Five-Two-Seven, the fact that you've read Larry Correia's "HK. Because you suck." blog post doesn't make you any more "experienced" than most of the people on here (I posted that article for discussion on IMFDB's forum almost two years ago). You aren't even old enough to purchase long guns, let alone pistols. You really might want to stop running around and touting your own expertise; since you claim you hate other people who do it, it's hard not to think of you as a hypocrite. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I know it's a gun site but, FOOL(FIVETWOSEVEN) YOU JUST GOT OWNED IN THE FACE!-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
Besides HK is an awesome firearms manufacturer.

Just because a manufacturer makes good products doesn't mean they can't be overhyped. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I guess thats true. anytime whether combat or just collecting you always diversify, don't just stick with your favorite brand. either way HK is preeeetty high up there on my list.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

I can get guns that are just as accurate and reliable for much cheaper than a HK handgun. Also, what makes the MR556 better than a regular $1,000 AR 15? Yes they make good guns, but they are overpriced IMO. I may not have alot of experiance but I can still read history, they stopped selling trigger packs of G36 rifles because some departments were selling them on the civilian market and using them to convert their SL-8 rifles. I don't need to be 50+ years old and shooting all my life to see that a company has anti gun tendencies. I'll spend my money elsewhere thank you.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:50, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

::You miss the point, FiveTwoSeven - nobody is trying to argue with you about the superiority or inferiority of H&K firearms. Not to mention that you are conflating the quality of their products with their "anti-gun" attitudes (those are two separate matters). My point is, it's so obvious that you are trying to sound superior even though you clearly are just taking Larry Correia's words in your mouth. You seem to think your opinion is worthy of respect that you haven't earned (''unlike'' him). In case you forgot, Larry himself pointed out in his "HK. Because you suck." blog post that he mostly just wants people to stop extolling firearms that they haven't shot. Even if you are right about H&K, you are still doing exactly what he warned against. Bottom line: You aren't Larry Correia, so stop trying to be. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 09:14, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

==Butt hook==
What is it for, exactly? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 14:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok here's my thoughts on everything. The butt hook was designed for 1 handed shooting (crazy right) for use while handlking a prisoner or shooting out of a moving vehicle (damned crazy italien designers). In practical use the butt hook, much like thae rest of the SPAS is awkward and poorley excecuted. Which is why you never see the hook used much, if at all in movies. I think the one handed use was primarily for police use with rioat or bean bag rounds but it never really worked. I find the SPAS itself to be the ideal hollywood gun, as, lets be honest, it does look cool. But its too big and clunky, the pump is too heavy and the semi jams up all kinds of bad. I dont own one but i have (tried) to use one, and found the semi action stovepipes all too often (much like in Jurassic park infact). As for the pistol rant, I do love the Mk23 and would take it over the USP as the accuraccy on the 23 is unbelievable (and frankly out weighs the size issue), but if im going for a .45 ill go 1911 all the way.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 17:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Is it possible? ==

On the the page for [[The Terminator]], one of the screencap descriptions says that the SPAS-12's folding stock is designed for the shooter to fire the gun with one hand. But now I am wondering, is it even possible to fire a SPAS-12 one-handed? (despite the fact that a 12-gauge shotgun blast would be a little too much for one-handed firing) Even though one-handed firing is discouraged outside the fantasy realm of movies, is it possible to fire the SPAS-12 one handed? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 07:08, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

:It wouldn't surprise me if it was possible; it sounds like something which wouldn't be enormously practical or fun to do, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:25, 20 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yes, It's possible to shoot shotguns with one hand, it just takes a bit of practice. I heard from reliable sources (aka, the [[Talk:12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun discussion page]]) that the recoil from a shortened shotgun (aka, a Mossbreg 590 Compact Cruiser, a Sawn-off DB shotgun, etc) is only a bit more than a .44 magnum revolver and another one said it also helps if your used to shooting .357 Mags or .44 Mags. So shooting a SPAS-12 one handed wouldn't be much of a problem, given it's almost 10 pound weight and that the hook attached to the stock is braced under your forearm. I have a extremely accurate replica of a SPAS-12 and holding it one handed with the stock folded is quite tricky but with the stock out and the hook braced under my forearm it is surprisingly balanced and point-able. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:04, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

::It's possible. I've done it with my own SPAS-12 and it's actually not that bad. The hardest part is trying to keep it held up long enough to take aim and fire.[[User:Gato|Gato]] 13:37, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

== Ammo Compacity ==

I've noticed that the SPAS-12 has a short barreled version, yet I've never seen a note saying that this version has a lesser ammo capacity than the normal sized SPAS. Does a standard SPAS have a plug in the magazine tube causing the 2 to have an equal number of rounds? Or am I just missing something here? --[[User:Glockness Monster|Glockness Monster]] 23:53, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

:There's 8 and 6 round tube magazine versions; the shorty uses the 6-rounder. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SPAS_12_Fixed_Stock_and_Folding_Stock.JPG Here's Wikipedia's image of the two different tubes on two normal barrel length SPAS-12s]. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:30, 10 July 2011 (CDT)

Good to know, thank you sir. --[[User:Glockness Monster|Glockness Monster]] 22:55, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

:As a random aside, the one there with the short magazine tube is some sort of post-ban version; if you look carefully you can see it's actually a shorty version which has had what I think is a choke tube welded to the barrel to extend it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:56, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

So it is illegal to own a short barrelled version. That is mildly disappointing. --[[User:Glockness Monster|Glockness Monster]]

:Wikipedia says the 6-round one with the fixed stock is due to shotgun import restrictions imposed by the BATF in 1989, I guess the folding stock / 8 round SPAS got dinged as a "military firearm" or something. Not illegal to own one, apparently the 24-inch ones with welded choke tubes are complying with ''UK'' shotgun laws. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:07, 19 July 2011 (CDT)

== Actually firing semiauto on film ==

I have to commend [[User:Phoenixent|Mr. Steve Karnes]] for actually getting it to fire self-load/semiauto in [[Virtuosity]], it was very impressive. That said, there is only one other instance AT ALL that I can think of where a SPAS actually fires semiauto (or appears to, at least), and that is in the fourth Halloween film (The Revenge of Micheal Myers). I wonder if that was another special blank modification of some kind or something. Of course it could just be editing trickery, I'm not sure really. Doesn't seem to be though. In any case, it is the real thing in Virtuosity and that is just very neat and rare and, though it's noted on the Virtuosity page(s) it still deserves a special mention. I meant to say this sooner but oh well, here ya go. Anyway, Excellent job sir. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:26, 24 July 2011 (CDT)
:In ''[[The Wraith]]'' it also appears to be fired in semi-auto also. While a good portion of the scene is quick cuts, there are several shots of him firing it multiple times without going pump action Another thing that interesting is SPAS-12 used in the film, it has the overfolding stock and a full wood stock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:51, 24 July 2011 (CDT)
[[File:TW-SPAS12-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Good shot of the wood stock and folding stock.]]
[[File:TW-SPAS12-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The LED lighting added.]]

:I just saw a JCVD movie where a thug used it in semi-auto. Gonna screencap it now. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:35, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::There was definitely some semi-auto fire in Stargate SG1, season 5, episode 19: 'Menace'. Also in the season 3, episode 22: 'Nemesis' was the only example I can ever recall seeing of the folding stock actually being used. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 18:54 18/8/11

Talk:Franchi SPAS-12

2011-08-18T08:54:28Z

Pravda616: /* Actually firing semiauto on film */

Talk:Buffy the Vampire Slayer

2011-06-20T06:17:51Z

Pravda616: /* Buffy Guns */

==Buffy Guns==
I was wondering if this page would ever be made. Because despite the fantasy setting and the main character's opinion of firearms; (''"These things? never helpfull."'') quite a lot were used over the years. Especially the Initiative soldiers in season 4 who used an insanely wide variety of weapons. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 4:48 PM 7/6/11

You'd think they would at least use guns to hurt the vampires be foring going melee, but the cast's being minors at first (as I pointed out on the main page) worked a against that. I had to get a new computer, so I'll fix the screecaps and get new ones up soon. A page for the spinoff ''Angel'' is forthcoming.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:11, 18 June 2011 (CDT)

-That would be a good idea, the main characters in ''Angel'' had less problems with guns than in in ''Buffy''. Especially Wesley in the last few seasons, who was never seemed to go anywhere without one. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 4:17 PM 20/6/11

Talk:Buffy the Vampire Slayer

2011-06-07T06:47:59Z

Pravda616: Created page with "==Buffy Guns== I was wondering if this page would ever be made. Because despite the fantasy setting and the main character's opinion of firearms; (''"These things? never helpfull..."

Carmen Argenziano

2011-03-11T05:24:22Z

Pravda616: /* Film */

[[Image:RedScorpionRGK-3BlownOffArm.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Carmen Argenziano as Colonel Zayas in ''Red Scorpion'' (1989).]]

'''Carmen Argenziano can be seen armed with in:'''

==Film==
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Gun'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="200"|'''Film'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[AO-63]] || Colonel Zayas || ''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || || 1989
|-
| [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]] || Colonel Zayas || ''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || || 1989
|-
| [[FN P90]] || Jacob Carter || ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' || || 2001
|}

[[Category:Actor]]
[[Category:Actor Male]]

Carmen Argenziano

2011-03-11T05:23:23Z

Pravda616: /* Film */

[[Image:RedScorpionRGK-3BlownOffArm.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Carmen Argenziano as Colonel Zayas in ''Red Scorpion'' (1989).]]

'''Carmen Argenziano can be seen armed with in:'''

==Film==
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Gun'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="200"|'''Film'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[AO-63]] || Colonel Zayas || ''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || || 1989
|-
| [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]] || Colonel Zayas || ''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || || 1989
|-
| [[FN P90]] || Jacob Carter || ''[[Stargate SG1]]'' || || 2001
|}

[[Category:Actor]]
[[Category:Actor Male]]

Carmen Argenziano

2011-03-11T05:22:42Z

Pravda616: /* Film */

[[Image:RedScorpionRGK-3BlownOffArm.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Carmen Argenziano as Colonel Zayas in ''Red Scorpion'' (1989).]]

'''Carmen Argenziano can be seen armed with in:'''

==Film==
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Gun'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="200"|'''Film'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[AO-63]] || Colonel Zayas || ''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || || 1989
|-
| [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]] || Colonel Zayas || ''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || || 1989
|-
| [[FN P90]] || Jacob Carter]] || ''[[Stargate SG1]]'' || || 2001
|}

[[Category:Actor]]
[[Category:Actor Male]]

Talk:Tears of the Sun

2011-03-04T06:48:18Z

Pravda616: /* Missiles */ new section

Well, I'm done. How does it look? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

:Great! Except that the weapon you IDed as an "AKS-47" is actually a Chinese Type 56-1. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::It needs a small rewrite though.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I added caps from the alternate opening of the director's cut of the film. They have the triangular handguards of the 'Nam-era M16s, but I couldn't get any clear shots of the receivers for further ID. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:Please put captions on the screencaps. Please?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

::Didn't really know what exactly to put, but I hope those captions suffice. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:::Thank you Spartan! Great Job! Those captions suffice. Even if they are generic they suffice.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm sure you've noticed, but you also need the gun picture and the page links. Remember, if you're going to make additions, it's totally welcome, but please follow format. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I don't think gun pictures are needed in this case since Spartan doesn't know what kind of M16s they are.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

:::You can always guess. And that only addresses half my request. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:I do not understand why the medic and the signaller, who would carry the heaviest loads, are both armed with heavier weapons plus ammunition.

i wouldnt call the m203 the heaviest load . theres the M60 , but that is strange . usualy some one else would have tham to cover those two positions but its a movie . -[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

== Not an M1A ==

If you enlarge the second picture and look at the stock near the rear of the reciever, you'll see that it is cut for the selector switch. No M1A stock is like this, but all wood stocked M21 are since they're just rebarreled M14s with the selector removed and a scope attached. --[[User:Zurak 47|Zurak 47]] 14:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

:I just watched the film again and I agree with you. His rifle obviously has a cut-out for a selector switch , and M1A rifles were never fitted with stocks that had a cut-out for a selector switch, since they were civilian rifles. -Jacco Croon-

::Somebody should do something about this. [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]]

::: It is correct, the first screencap itself shows a notch for a fire-selector, which is not on any civilian semi-auto-only rifles, only actual M14s and M21s. As to whether this is an M14 or M21 I'm not particularly certain (The same mod involving removing the selector was done on normal M14s), however, it indeed is not an M1A. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

: EDIT - Going through the edit logs, I've found it was previously called an M25, which from what I gather, is what the Navy designates the M21 as (The Army uses the M21 designation). SO, to be accurate, I'll edit to M25 instead of M21. Of course, I still doubt whether it is an actual M21/M25 and not just a modded M14, but I guess we'll burn that bridge when we come to it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Shotgun muzzle device... ==

...is a "duckbill choke" intended to spread the shot pattern horizontally vs. vertically. They were also used by Vietnam era SEALS, primarily on pump shotguns. The intent is to have an effective, short ranges anti-ambush weapon for the point man. By aiming in the general direction of an identified ambusher and maintaining a horizontal hold, the shotgun can be effective against that ambusher as well as having a chance to hit/distract others close around him. In jungle and forest terrain with limited visibility and engagement ranges, ambushers would have to bunch up in order to maximize firepower on a patrol, especially along a trail.

== The new layout ==
Whoever changed the pages layout to the guns being organized by gun type. yea, dont do that again as i dont like it nor do i think the page that '''I''' made and put a lot of effort into. If you want to do that to your page, knock yourself out, but do '''not''' do this to any of my pages again. Thank you. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

Chill the hell out! Christ!

== The Knives ==

And Knives ???

Where are you??

:IM'''F'''DB. Firearms unless a cultural reference i.e. Rambo's knives. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Here are the main knives used; Emerson Police Utility Knife, Sog X-42 Recondo and Emerson Kandahar. Gunner313

== Doc's AK ==

Doc is carrying older AK 47 not AKM. He also has early type magazine on it.

== PP or PPK? ==

The PP looks a little short. Are we sure it's not a PPK? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It looks like a FEG PA-63 to me.

==Uniform Goofs==

Just thought I'd point out a goof I noticed in the Marines' uniforms at the end of the film; they had the sleeves of their BDU uniforms rolled up. This is ONLY done when in garrison, NEVER during combat. Some people might also say that their BDU's were somewhat anachronistic as well, but this can be debatable as the digital MARPAT uniform was still being distributed to Marines. In fact, news footage of the 2003 invasion of Iraq (which took place the same year this film came out) often shows Marines wearing the older 3-color Desert Combat Uniform instead of MARPAT (when they weren't covered by woodland-patterned MOPP gear due to fears that Saddam might try to use WMD's against coalition forces).
::Technically manning a refugee checkpoint is NOT considered a battle zone. I've asked that question of Jarheads and they said that (a) it was probably really hot and humid and (b) whatever the uniform of the day dictated would be what they were wearing and (c) the moment a senior officer gets fed up and rolls up his sleeves because of the heat, all bets are off, the rest of the brigade will be doing it. They are not actively patrolling for enemy combatants or on an actual combat mission. They're border security at a refugee camp. So yes, that is the rule and in the field there are always exceptions to the rule. At least that's what my USMC vet associates have said. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:::I'm afraid I have to disagree; the Marines weren't manning that checkpoint, they had just landed there via helicopter from the ''Stennis'' to extract Waters' team, which would likely count as a combat mission since Waters' team was under heavy enemy attack when the Marines initially deployed(albet the threat was neutralized by air support by the time the Marines got boots on the ground) and were in full battle gear as if expecting to engage hostiles themselves. Not trying to start an arguement, just pointing out an oversight in your asessment. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::::You're right if they are landing from a helicopter into a hotzone then it is a combat OP and they would have their sleeves down. Though that is operational doctrine, I would at least opine (according to MANY COMBAT vets in past wars, not now, but back to even NAM) that regs got loose the more combat you saw. Even among marines. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

[[Image:TOTS M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Marines at the Cameroon border, incorrectly having the sleeves of ther BDU's rolled up while in a combat zone.]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== M203s are Cobray 37mm Launchers ==

I'm pretty sure that both the M203s on Doc and Zee's M4s are Cobray 37mm launchers. I'm basing this on the screenshots taken. If you blow them up to full size you can see the cocking handle on them.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'm looking at a very nice close-up of the receiver on Doc's launcher at the 1 hour mark of the film (the scene where they're at rest and everyone's eating) on my TV and I can tell you there's no cocking handle and the trigger guard is a rounded shape rather than square like a CM203's trigger guard is. They are indeed actual M203s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Biased, Personal Comments ==

Does it really matter if a Beretta 92FS made it into the movie or not? The comment of "While I was hoping to get through a movie without a Beretta 92FS, but sure enough, one shows up in the hands of a militant officer" seems unnecessary. [[Special:Contributions/71.200.27.204|71.200.27.204]] 11:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes it is unnecessary. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Berettas appear in pretty much most modern movies involving lots of guns, plus it doesn't really make sense of how it this militant officer had one. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.) Its not a problem to see the comment so just leave it as is.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::Nope, IT IS UNNECESSARY. Or at least change the tone of the comment, making it more scholastic, and not the musing of a snarky, sarcastic critic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Why wouldn't the militant officer be able to get one? they can buy arms just like any other country. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That comment has always annoyed me too. If you're going to lament the ubiquity of Beretta 92s in movies, you might as well complain about all the Thompsons in WW2 films, or Peacemakers in Westerns. I may not like the Smith and Wesson semi-automatics, but I understand there are people who do, for valid reasons, so I keep my opinions to myself, instead of using the IMFDB as a soapbox to espouse my hate for them.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 22:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

For the record, it was originally a sarcastic comment due to the fact that all of the movies ive done in the past have had Berettas in them and being sarcastic doesnt work in writing. And honestly, i love Berettas and own one of my own. Sorry for the trouble. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

just saying but the movie battle of the bulge used all Grease Guns or at least dominately which is a nice change. just saying [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 01:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Missiles ==

Is it worth pointing out that the Hornets missile load outs are all air-to-air weapons, which would be useless against ground targets? Or is that to far out of IMFDB's area of jurisdiction? [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 17:59 4/3/11

Talk:Top Gear

2011-02-22T05:50:41Z

Pravda616: /* TV Tropes */ new section

This article should be deleted being that it is a documentary. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. It's a British variety show that focuses on equal aspects entertainment and humor, but also factual information concerning the cars. If you've seen the show you'll know what I'm talking about, it really is the farthest thing from a documentary. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 22:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:even then so it is a nonfictional item, so it falls out of the scope of IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:: If that's the case, then all [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Category:Documentary these] pages need to be deleted as well. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
That is correct --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Police Auctions - 502 ==

I’ve been visiting your blog for a while now and I always find a gem in your new posts. Thanks for sharing.

== Tweak Windows dntg ==

You certainly deserve a round of applause for your post and more specifically, your blog in general. Very high quality material

== Top gear Ground Force ==

in Top gear Ground Force Jeremy uses an Over/Under shotgun for some light gardening

== TV Tropes ==

I was looking through the '''Imperial Storm Trooper Marksmanship Academy''' section and found this mentioned. ''"A Series 13 episode of Top Gear saw the British Armed Forces firing at a stationary Mitsubishi Evo 7 from only a few hundred yards away with machine guns, missing the majority of the time. The tracer rounds that went astray were enough to light parts of the surrounding area on fire." '' Is this a valid criticism? Or is that about all the accuracy you could expect form L7's and Browning M2's? [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 16:59 22/2/11

Talk:Call of Duty: World at War

2011-02-17T06:17:29Z

Pravda616: /* PTRS-41 */

= Knives =

== KA-BAR Knife ==

The knife in Call of Duty: World at War is rather inconsistent in its ability to connect and kill enemies. It also makes a very loud and distinguishable swinging noise, often causing the user to be exposed, as it is highly unreliable. This knife is only consistent at a one to two foot range, where it usually guarantees a kill.

[[Image:A17%20KB1217.jpg|thumb|none|500px|KA-BAR Knife in real life.]]

[[Image:CoDWAWknife.png|thumb|none|400px|KA-BAR Knife in-game.]]

== Bayonet ==

The Bayonet is an alternative to the knife, and can be attached on all bolt-action rifles - the Kar98k, Springfield, Mosin Nagant and Arisaka - the M1897 Trenchgun, the M1 Garand, the M1A1 Carbine and the Type 99. The Bayonet increases the lunge distance and thereby increases the odds of a successful attack.

[[Image:dwu22-M1-bayonet-s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M1 Bayonet, used by the USMC in-game.]]

[[Image:9130bay.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Mosin Nagant Bayonet, used by the Red Army in-game.]]

[[Image:Japan_bayonet_Type_30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Type 30, used by the Japanese Imperial Army in-game.]]

[[Image:1916b4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S84/98 III Bayonet, used by the Nazi's in-game.]]

[[Image:Bayonet_US.png|thumb|none|400px|The M1 Bayonet in-game.]]

[[Image:Bayonet_Russian.png|thumb|none|400px|The Mosin Nagant Bayonet in-game.]]

[[Image:Bayonet_Japanese.png|thumb|none|400px|The Type 30 Bayonet in-game.]]

[[Image:1_unfortunate_soldier.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A US Marine stabs a Japanese soldier with an Arisaka rifle's bayonet.]]

[[Image:624px-Bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A scoped Mosin Nagant with a bayonet, available through the use of mods.]]

== Bowie Knife ==

In the Nazi Zombies map Der Riese the players can replace their usual knife with the Bowie knife for 3000 points that multiplies damage many-fold, allowing one-hit kills up to round 15 and double or triple strikes for as long as any game could hope to last. The Bowie knife upgrade remains after death and respawn, adding value.

[[Image:BowieKnifePolkCompetition2-1024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Bowie Knife in Real Life.]]

[[Image:Bowie.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Bowi Knife in-game.]]

= Discussion =

The picture for the M7 Grenade Launcher seems to be incorrect. It's showing the M9A1 bazooka

I think a double barrel shotgun varient can be used in the nazi zombies bonus level, but I can be mistaken
: You can get the double barrel shotgun in the Nazi Zombie game, but you can only get the sawed off double barrel from the magic box as I call it, among other guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::No, you get the full length one. If you can fend them off with the .45 and the knife long enough to open the door and grab the boomstick, zombie mode gets a lot easier. I think the zombie mode could have had more potential, maybe more levels and some open spaces. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==PV-1?==

Are you guys sure the MGs on the russian tanks aren't PV-1s? the game has realistic weapons for each side of the war, it would make sense that the MG would be the PV-1 Goryunov. and seeing as how its sights, barrel and overall look are similar to the PV-1, it could be a mis-ID. ive taken a close look at it and i think it is the PV-1 Shown here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bepo_022.jpg
-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Guns that aren't here but should have been ==

I wonder why the M3 (Grease gun) wasn't in this game. Or why the Tommy are using the 20 round mags and not the 30 round mags? What about the PPS-43? We also don't see the paratrooper verison of the M1 Carbine with the folding stock and pistol grip. I can understand in single player Marines in the Pacific might not be armed with the paratrooper verison of the carbine, but the Russian single player shoulda gotten the PPS-43, or even in multi player, it would have just been an extra gun to use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect, Activision doesn't know shit about guns. Did you notice how a lot of the gun reloading animations were stolen straight from COD2? And for some reason, they did choose to issue 20 round mags with the Thompsons far more often then the 30s. During the Normandy invasion, 30s made their shine. Keep in mind, the gun in the game is the M1928A1 Thompson. Those were issed 20 round sticks. Then again, it would have been cool if you could use a Thompson with a drum. Personally, I was disapointed by this game. Two campaigns? No U.K.? I was expecting Pacific, Europe, Russia and UK. I guess they were so excited that they got Keifer Sutherland, they didn't think they needed another campaign. I think this game was way too short. I beat it in a day. At least it was better than COD3. Activision is getting a ''little'' better. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

activison didn't make this game treyarch did

The Thompson SMG can be upgraded to a drum mag in multiplayer so that isn't as bad and also the PS2 version has a UK campaign where you are a UK soldier trying to cross the Rhine River and get into the heart of Germany.[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

::To be fair, COD4 Modern Warfare was a great breath of fresh air to the franchise and rather accurate when it came to weapons. But it was also handled by a different, much more capable developer (Infinity Ward, instead of COD3 and WaW's Treyarch). Frankly, if they haven't fired off every single round possible when it comes to WW2, then they're down to their last few bullets, so to speak. The COD franchise needs to replant itself back in modern times (or at the very least, sometime other than 1941-1945) and possibly, focus on maybe law enforcement areas and not just military aspects. Just my opinion. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I say Vietnam, or Korea next, maybe even the First and second Gulf War. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Korea, yes. Vietnam will be touchy at best and possibly disastrous at worst to handle. The First Gulf War, I can see. The second...well, I think that COD4 touched on that basis already with the Marine levels... ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

::What's so touchy about Vietnam that hasn't already been said about, parodied about, satired, joked, or debated? It's been almost 40 years, that's long enough for most things to be put to rest. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, the COD series has never been about parodies...and IIRC, the last serious depiction of Vietnam to show true-blue heroism was Forrest Gump and some episodes of the History Channel's Dogfights (a show about aerial dogfights - not another COD specialty). Point is, unless Activision and whomever develops it strays away from focusing on the general Army and focuses on specialized units - and if they do that, a long conversation and a military advisor credit had better be heading Dick Marcinko's way - any attempt may bring a lot of controversy with it. ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 04:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

-----

I can't disagree with these arguments. While not a bad game by any means, about the only pros about W.A.W. were that you could take control of a tank or two, because it added a new game play dynamic by forcing players to use explosives for more then just pissing people off while they giggle like little boys in the first grade who have just heard the word p3n15 and think its just fr1661n6 hilarious (anyone can make a kill with a gigantic grenade that can fly you pint of annoyance!), the voice acting was well done (I'm sorry, but Keifer Sutherland as a marine that shoots copious numbers of people, well, he's played both parts of that combination very well, i.e. A Few Good Men and 24 and does a fine job of combining the two), the Nazi zombie level, the Co-op action, and the extra upgrade slots that you unlock when you use Prestige mode. personally, I'm pretty sure the L-E angle is well covered by Rainbow Six and SWAT, if you have a good enough PC. one idea that i haven't seen would be to have combined arms campaigns, probably Infantry, Vehicular, Aviation, and maybe Naval or Artillery to round out the spectrum. kinda like battlefield, but you would have to remain in that area until the campaign was over, instead of respawning as a different class, and of course you would have to customize your character for each mission, e.g. upgrades, weapons, perks, etc., and that would be single player. You could then take (one of) your Player Character(s) over to multiplayer. If Electronic Arts can do it several times over without making the series as bland as their sports games like madden, then Infinity Ward and Activision could probably do it, but make it better.

Another idea, which is a bit more in line with the topic of this discussion (sorry about that, I'm very tangent-prone), would be several small campaigns over the past century leading up to some fictional conflict in the year 2015, keeping the same character, with all of the progression of equipment, uniforms, weaponry, etc. with upgrades, and you can keep your say, FG-42 and bring it into Korea or The Middle East, either unmodified or with some modernizations, ex reflex sight. i have no idea how you could rationalize that, (I'm thinking Captain Price, before we were told that they were two different characters :) or maybe Wolverine, even though he's making his own movie/game at the moment), and i have no idea why you would bring a 60-ish year old battle rifle when there are better weapons, but you would probably have your reasons.

:Some of these ideas sound good. Others, like the last paragraph...well, I just have to ask...How the hell did Wolverine get into this conversation? :) ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, i forgot to mention the Wolverine part. Sorry about that. Just look at the page for the new X-Men movie and you'll understand. Is it X-men Origins, or Legends? i forget

----
Does anyone else see the side by side shotgun ejecting a shell casing there while firing?[[Special:Contributions/67.149.192.84|67.149.192.84]] 07:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
i thought i saw something like that in one of the pics
----

Would this page like some shots of every weapon? I could probably do some shots of them, as some are missing.

== Ammo belt on M1919 ==

Correct me if I am wrong. Far as I know, US only use metal disintegrating ammo belts on aircraft in WW2 and ground troops only issued with fabric belt. Did the guys nick those off from the flyboys?

==Mosin-Nagant 91/30==

At a glance the ingame rifle's world model seems to be closer in length to an M38 than a 91/30, including the sniper version... can someone who isn't half asleep confirm this?

If I recall correctly, I can confirm this. Another strange things about the Nagants: The standard models have bent bolt handles as they were used for the sniper versions, but only in the first person perspective. When you see rifles laying on the ground the bolt handle is straight as it should be. The weirdest thing: Also the sniper versions have straight bolt handles which would make them useless because the scope would block the bolt, but only when the rifle is not seen from the first person perspective. Conclusion: Treyarch made two bolt handle versions for the Nagant, but they mixed them up in a weird way. Sry for my bad and confusing English. ;)
Greetings from Franconia. Paul_Baeumer 26.04.2010

==Reload on the PTRS-41==

Can anyone confirm, the last time I played this I was sure the completely botched the reload animation. I know the real thing takes 5 round en bloc clips, and they go that right IIRC, but they loaded it by opening the magazine release and shoving the up into it rather than opening the bolt and seating them down as I believe you're supposed to load the gun.

Although it looks strange it seems to be right. The PTRS was loaded that way. Source: "II. Weltkrieg - Handfeuerwaffen" (German title) by John Weeks, Orbis Publishing Limited, London 1979. 30.04.2010; Paul_Baeumer

==PTRS-41==

Does someone have any ideas who inspired Treyarch to make a hand-held 14.5x114 mm rifle? Only Halo comes to mind...--[[Special:Contributions/109.252.15.58|109.252.15.58]] 14:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean, make it? It's a perfectly real gun. Granted it weighs 20kg and is over 2m long, so picking it up and firing form the shoulder would be kind of hard. But you do more unrealistic things in this game. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 17:27 17/2/11

Talk:Reign of Fire

2011-02-11T04:55:30Z

Pravda616: /* Saracen APC */

Given Van Zan's tank is a Chieftain, wouldn't the mocked-up gun be an L37A1 (ie FN MAG) rather than an M2? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, too big to be a MAG from what I can see of it (I'm watching the movie as I write this). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Question: where did you guys get all the info about the t-rex rifle? i googled it and just got this page. just wondering.

I would also like to find out more about the T-Rex rifle, I've searched online for examples/information about Elephant Guns but can only find stuff on ammunition, no actual models/examples of guns!!!

Note the scope used on the T-Rex rifle. Leupold optics. The gold ring around the objective lens housing is the giveaway. Leupold scopes are very tough and have a good return to zero after dismounting. ''Wraith''

== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
the t rex rifle is actually a 577 tyransaur not a 577 nitro the term 577 trex refers to the 577 tyranasaur cartrige you can find it on the mini compendium big bore web page.dalemac37

== Saracen APC ==

[[Image:ROFM2HB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American cocks his Browning M2HB as they aproach the British refugee castle. A Saracen APC is pictured in the Background, why would the American army use a Obsolete British Vehicle?]]

Actually, it makes sense. The americans arrived in a plane, so the space was limited for them. Then they landed and geared up with anything they could find. [[User:Markost|Markost]] 16:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does make sense for the Americans to have salvaged some British gear. But it doesn't make sense for a British tank to have a Russian DShk on it, or for American soldiers to be using the Singaporean Ultrimax 100. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:04 11/2/11

Talk:Reign of Fire

2011-02-11T04:54:18Z

Pravda616: /* Saracen APC */

Don S. Davis

2011-01-20T03:00:04Z

Pravda616: /* Television */

[[Image:Don-s-davisGeneral.jpg|thumb|300px|right| Don S. Davis (1942-2008)]]

[[Image:SG1 - S1EP13M9.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Don S. Davis as General George S. Hammond holds a [[Beretta_M9#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] in ''[[Stargate SG-1]]''.]]

Don S. Davis was a Canadian actor (albeit born in the United States of America), probably best known for his role as General George S. Hammond in ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' and Major Garland Briggs in Twin Peaks. He died of a massive heart attack on the 29th of June, 2008.

'''Don S. Davis''' has used the following weapons in the following films and television shows:'''

==Film==

==Television==

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Gun'''
!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Beretta_M9#Beretta_92F.2FFS|Beretta 92FS]] || General George S. Hammond || ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' || "Hathor" (Season 1, Episode 13)|| 1997-2007
|-
| [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] || Colonel George S. Hammond || ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' || "There But For the Grace of God" (Season 1, Episode 19) || 1997-2007
|-
| [[Franchi SPAS-12]] || Colonel George S. Hammond || ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' || "Menace" (Season 5, Episode 19) || 1997-2007
|-
|}

[[Category:Actor]]
[[Category:Actor Male]]
[[Category:Deceased Actor]]

Talk:Flags of Our Fathers

2010-12-29T03:58:30Z

Pravda616: /* Marines firing a Bofors quad? */

I'll be screencapping this movie at some point. -GM
:Someone else did it. Damn! I was looking forward to this one.
::I still really want to do this. I might just do it anyway. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Do it, you would do a much better job.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Well I did it, and it does look pretty good. I tried to enhance the quality of the caps as much as possible (by brightening and sharpening) and they look pretty good. I'm pretty sure I caught everything in the movie, but I left out a man-portable US artillery gun, I didn't figure it needed to be on. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== M17 Rifle Grenade ==

I'm not sure what that Marine has on the end of his Garand, but brother, it ain't an M17. Perhaps it is supposed to be, but it looks like the love child of an M17 and a 60mm mortar bomb.

I saw a Marine who holds a M9 Bazooka. It's difficult to see, because he is running and we are watching his shoulders.

== Marines firing a Bofors quad? ==

Uh, wouldn't those be sailors?[[Special:Contributions/64.255.180.21|64.255.180.21]] 07:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Well actually it was standard procedure on all US warships for some of the weapons to maned by Marines. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 3:08PM 29/12/10

Talk:The Pacific

2010-11-16T04:52:48Z

Pravda616: /* Nambu type 14 */

==Please remove SPOILERS==
See IMFDB rules but ANY sort of spoilers are NOT allowed. MPM

== Is this out yet? ==

If this series is out, i'm going to screencap it when it comes out on DVD.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:The very first trailer, which did show a significant amount of combat footage, just came out this week.--[[User:V|V]] 23:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Holy fuck, where is it? I'm a big history geek, i need to see this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I love history! When was it released?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Also, that gun Sledgehammer is using is an M50 Reising Sub machine gun. It was common in the pacific theater. Here is the Wikipedia article about the gun: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Reising_submachine_gun]. Also, i still want my trailer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:I have to agree that it is the M50 Reising. The magazine and the muzzle break and dead giveaways. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:53, 1 July 2009(UTC)
::Also, i think there is M1903s in the series. When the australian trailer was released there was a production picture of the Marines landing on Guadalcanal and they were acurately deppicted armed with M1903s.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Is there a picture of the M1903 Springfield or the trailer with the rifle shown? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

its been advertised alot lately in aus (my country) just says coming soon (est march 2010) to ch 7 il keep you posted [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 03:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

:It was pretty accurate that Garands were in short supply and a lot of Marines were issued the Springfields. What caught me off guard was that 1928 Tommy with the drum mag and cutts compensator. I was actually half expecting it to have a vertical foregrip. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The first episode ==

I've watched the first episode, and the first Marines on Guadalcanal are armed with M1928A1 Thompsons (compensators, drum mags, horizontal foregrips) and M1903s. What stuck out what the high number of left handed M1903s out there. I don't know if this is because the Marines really went out of their way to issue left handed Marines left handed guns, or if the armorers for the Pacific are really accomodating. I think it's interesting that a left handed sniper in Saving Private Ryan, who's already issued a specialized piece of equipment, couldn't get a left handed Springfield but Marine grunts in The Pacific can. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 05:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:I also noticed the old Browning .30 cal with the barrel shroud for water cooling, wouldn't they be up to air cooled 1919s by then? but overall, the first episode was great, and I look forward to watching the rest of the series, Semper Fi! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

they did have air cooled but in this war they dident replace old machineguns if they still worked

Air cooled is nice, but water-cooled weapons are nice in a Japanses banzi charge. M1917s, being water-cooled, can fire theoreticy forever without pause.[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing if you saw left-handed 1903s, the shots were reversed. Also, I only saw M1903-A3s. I don't know whether this is accurate or not. --[[User:Rugerlvr|Rugerlvr]] 03:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::I just watched it again, in the same shot where there was a left handed M1903, the M1917's cocking handle was on the right side. It's supposed to be on the right side, correct?--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:I just got the first episode on me and I can start uploading caps if the quality is good [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Part 2 BAR ==

Part 2 BAR

At the Part2 start scene, a helf-track vehicle runs by, there's a BAR lay on the ground(sorry for I don't know how to post pics here ,I'm a new comer)
Here's my Img.ly post
[http://img.ly/HNq]

I'd probably wait for later episodes when they will probably be clearer pics. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

== I got Tivo ==

I was able to get the first 2 episodes off my TV and into my computer. Took me some doing thought [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== That good, or just lucky? ==

Episode one, when Leckie shoots the Japanese soldier with his M1911, he's either really good or really lucky. The range looked like it had to be at least forty or fifty feet, one handed, both eyes open, bullet to the chest. Sure, it's just a show, but Leckie's a real person, and the show is based on his memoirs. Like I said, he's either really good, or really lucky. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 05:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
::It's a show.

:At least he shoots better than the freaking guy with the Springfield [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Which guy? The first guy to shoot him? He wasn't trying to kill him, he was playing with him. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 03:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aren't Marines trained for marksmenship first and foremost. Granted, the slogan is "Every Marine, a Rifleman" but Licklie is a dedicated .30 cal Browning Gunner, meaning that he would probably be issued a sidearm with which to defend himself, should his machine gun become unusuable, and he would probably be proficient in the usage of his pistol, so perhaps the shot wouldnt be as difficult as we might assume

== Names of Marines ==

I keep getting the names of the Marines wrong [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== The sounds of guns ==

They actually got the sounds of a lot of the guns pretty good. If you've heard Japanese guns before, you can recognize the sounds of their LMGs during part 2, even if you can't see them [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Made some spelling corrections, and the M1897 trench gun... ==
I made some spelling/ grammar corrections. Also does anyone else notice something odd about the M1897 in this screen?
[[Image:TP1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Hammer looks a little odd, but other than that I do not. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 02:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that's what I'm thinking is off. It looks like he is holding the trigger back so the hammer should be down, but it looks like it is too low.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 03:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another shot of the same scene but an explosion gives light to the shotgun. I'll try to get that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Nambu type 14==
I've heard rumors that these guns are very unreliable, and would just as soon blow up than shoot, but I just wanna know if there's any credit to 'em. Cause it seems like a gun that blows up half the time would'nt be used very much...

All I remember about them is that the 8mm rounds they shoot are under powered and they have weak bolts and slides. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I've read that extremely poor reputation of Japanese pistols such as the type 14 and 94 exist partly because of post-war testing on models from the final production runs. Meaning that the problems were more to do with materials and build quality, rather than weakness in the design. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 4:59 PM 16/11/10

Connor Trinneer

2010-11-04T02:13:27Z

Pravda616:

Connor Trinneer has used the following weapons in the following television shows:

[[Image:NCIS 22004.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Connor Trinneer holds a S&W 5906 as James Dempsey on ''[[NCIS]]''.]]

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Gun'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="300"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''

|-
| [[Walther P38]] || Trip|| ''[[Star Trek: Enterprise]]'' || ||
|-
| [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] || James Dempsey || ''[[NCIS]]'' || || 2005
|-
| [[Beretta 92FS]] || Michael || ''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]'' || || 2006

[[Category:Actor]]
[[Category:Actor Male]]

Talk:Stargate SG-1

2010-10-18T03:31:08Z

Pravda616: /* Missing Guns */

season 7 ep 1 there a solder with a Barrett M82A1 sniper rifle .50 BMG

It's harder to find the scenes with guns because some of these guns are only seen once or in a couple episodes. One needs to really pay attention. The guns only seen once are the hardest to find in the haystack of 10 seasons

This will be another great project because I know where to find pictures of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, now which episode has a specfic gun will be the hard part.

The dressed up Dressed up Beretta M92F is one of the "Timecop" pistols, which were made from Taurus PT92s.

We've always wondered how much ammo does the guys have? We rarely see any of them reloading at all, and we get this were they were all forced to draw pistols. The only few times we see all of them holding pistols.

one of the bounty hunters used one of Hannibal King's "Camera/Disc" guns

==New gun pic==
If anyone was wondering about my change that I immediately 'undid' myself, I posted a pic and then deleted it because (stupid me) I put the wrong sight mount on the pistol and only realized it when I edited the page. I will repost the SG1 pistol shot when I get the correct sight mount. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

==Stinger & AT4 appearance==
I think Stinger missiles made another appearance in the last episode of Season 6 "Full Circle" when Teal'c and other kids on Abydos use them and AT4s to defend against Anubis' forces. One of the Stingers missed the glider, while Teal'c randomly fired another one and shot down another glider.

AT4 made the first appearance in Season 3 episode "Forever in a Day" when Carter picked up a AT4 from a fallen Marine and used it to destroy a staff cannon position, which is a correct application of AT4. It didn't show up again until Season 6 when people just start using it as an anti-aircraft weapons.

Interesting/Of Note: In the picture of the AT4 being fired, it is fired from the left shoulder. The AT4 is always fired from the right shoulder due to the flip up sights, safety levers, and trigger. I won't say it can't be fired from the left shoulder, I will say it would be awkward getting everything in a comfortable and functional location from what I remember. The directions on it even tell the user to use the right shoulder only.

I know it's been a while since this was posted, but the image in question looks like it's been flipped, since the sight covers are still on the top of the weapon, rather than underneath like you would expect them to be it it was being fired left handed. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== M249s ==

Can we get some evidence that the M249s are mockups rather than real ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

:You missed our forum discussion here: http://www.imfdb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=323

:Anyway, the M249s in this show, ''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]'', and many other movies and TV shows filmed in Canada are actually Korean K3 LMGs. The easiest way to tell is because they have a different style front and rear sight, but besides that, they look a lot like the SPW variant of the FN Minimi. One of our other admins, who is an armorer and gunsmith in the business, has confirmed that this was done because there was a time when armorers had a lot of difficulty acquiring real M249s. We're hoping to get pictures of the K3s (better ones than what we have now) soon so that we can illustrate the difference a bit more clearly. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==does anyone think==
Does anyone think we should add the energy weapons such as staff weapons and zat guns? I know they are not real firearms but they do play a large part in the show and they are cool.

:They might be cool, but they are not real weapons. I don't want to put the time to do such a thing. This is Internet Movie FIrearms Database, not alien and fantasy weapons database [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I know I was just thinking that they are a very importiant part of the show. Just look at how many times zat guns have saved them. haha

there are article on fictional guns...there should a Internet Movie weapon Database covering all weapons in movies. Rex095

:I guess it shouldn't be too bad, but if you are going to post crappy low res shots, forget it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== Luger? ==

Can anyone ID the handgun used by Teal'c to threaten Netan in Season 9, Episode 20, Camelot? I know this a bit of a long shot because the weapon in question is only seen for a few seconds and from crappy angles. I think it might be a Luger P08. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

:I think it is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

[[Image:SG1Luger.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)== not a M4 ==
this pick really dosent look like a M4 carbine in lookis more like a Diemaco C8 carbine --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC) [[Image:1SGM4A1.jpg]]

:Because it has an Elcan? Some of our Canadian armorer friends have told us that Diemaco/Colt Canada does not sell its weapons to film armorers, so it is pretty much impossible to see any C7 or C8 rifles in film/TV. We have mistakenly referred to some M16/CAR1-5 rifles as Diemaco weapons in the past, but this is a mistake that needs to be corrected. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

:There really isn't much distinct differences between the 2 carbines at a glance. You see so many ELCAN sights is because the show was made in Canada, [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:: That is an M4, it has a stepped barrel. The C8 has an M16A1 style barrel without the M203 step. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
ok thanks for clearing that up --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

==The "Carter Special"==

The page says that this gun is a cut-down Armalite M15A4. However, that lower receiver is quite clearly Olympic Arms - you can tell by the white writing on the right side of the magazine well, plus I watched the episode, and it's possible to see the OA crest on the left side, too. I would guess that this gun is probably a modified K23B "stubby" with the front sight removed, a free-floating hand guard installed, and the thumbhole stock added. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:Well I posted the image, but I don't remember calling it an Armalite. Let's change it to an OA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::It's a K23B, not an OA93. But I will correct it myself... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::: The Stargate Wiki has some additional infos on the parts used. http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Micro_16_assault_rifle --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

::::They're also wrong about the type of weapon that the Carter Special was based on, and I told them so in the discussion. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::I've amended the base weapon on there. Is there anything else that needs correcting? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::Yes, that stock is not from an AR-180, it's a "Bell & Carlson AR-15 Thumbhole Stock". --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 16:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: On there, not here. I trust the info here more than there. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

==The M16A2s/C7s==

(moved from the page)

:''These are all Colt Model 715s, which are equivalent to the Diemaco C7, not M16A2s. If you look closely, you can see they all have the A1-style rear sight (adjustable for windage but NOT elevation, unlike the A2-style rear sight).''
::''I agree. That's what we get for filming a show in Canada.... :) ''

:::Al Vrkljan told me on the ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)]]'' page that Canadian armorers can't acquire Colt Canada rifles, either, because they only sell to military/LE. But those guns do look ''very'' C7-ish to me...

well tennachly they don`t have to own them ,lots of militarys have leanded weapons to tv and movie armourers. but in this case they are not. --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 23:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

::I can't imagine there's any military (outside of the poorest Third World countries) that would ever lend its weapons to film armorers. Motion picture blanks are very different from military blanks (they're loaded with far more powder, so they'll produce a bigger flash on camera), so you can't just loan an M16 to a film's property master, stick on a military BFA, and expect it to fire full-flash blanks. Plus there are legal issues involved, I'm sure.

::Anyway, the Canadian armory which supplies weapons to ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' also supplies to lots of other movies and TV shows filmed in British Columbia. Since that conversation we had on the SG1 page, we have noticed that the "C7" rifles that this armory stocks are actually Olympic Arms K4Bs (which look identical to the C7, except that they have the distinctive "Stowaway" pistol grip). I can pretty much guarantee you that the "C7s" in ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' are these same guns. In which case, they definitely didn't come from the Canadian armed forces. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Missing Guns ==

Does someone want to check out season 1, episode 18, Tin Man? I saw an Uzi and what looked like a Dragunov sniper rifle. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

: [[Image:SG1 - S6EP15PKM.jpg|thumb|500px|none|One of the Russian SG members returning from Nirrti´s hideout, carrying a [[PKM]].]]
: This one? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Well no, that's from season 6, episode 16. But good point, that also looks like a Dragunov. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: Are you sure it´s Tin Man? The only weapons visible in that episode are the standard MP5´s if I remember correctly . --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 08:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, SG1 has so many episodes that I got confused. I meant season 2, episode 4, Gamekeeper. I'm sure there was an Uzi and a Dragunov being used by the East Germans in O'Neill's flashback. There was also a rifle being used by O'Neill's team for counter-sniping that didn't recognize. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: Added the Dragunov. I couldn't spot the UZI, though. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 10:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:: It's been bugging me for weeks, but I finnaly remembered where I had seen an UZI on SG1. Micro-UZIs were used twice in season 4. The Secret Sevice used them in episode 5, 'Divide and Conquer' and The NID agents in episode 15, 'Chain Reaction' had them along with some MP5Ks. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 03:32 PM, 28/9/10

== Zastava discussion ==
[[Image:SGAK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
One scene, this Russian SG woman was using what appeared to be an AK47 variant (with a .223 magazine - could be a Type 84, or if the receiver has an RPK reinforcing bar, it could be the Zastava M90 chambered in 5.56mm NATO), but in the next scene, it appeared to be an AK-74.

:''The magazine appears to be Norinco Type 84-style, and there are lots of those in Hollywood's rental armories.''
::''Could be but since SG1 is filmed in Canada, none of the California armorers work on the show and Canadian armorers can still get a lot of stuff that we Americans can't (despite their ridiculous gun restrictions for the 'common folk').

:::Yeah, possibly. I admit the fact that the M70B appears in the show suggests it could be an M90. However, I seem to recall seeing at least one episode of this show where the AK74 I saw was definitely a Type 84 (hooded front sight, smooth receiver cover, plus less-curved mag).

:::: In this episode, the Russian officer asks about O'Neills P90, and then saying that he himself prefers the Serb/Yugoslav Zastava. They are most likely the M85, which is a pretty standard looking AK-74U copy. picture: http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/39/24/32/m85_5_12.jpg

::::: I'm pretty sure he name-checks it as an M85 in that scene. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::I'm not sure it's an M85. The M85 has an under-folding stock, while this weapon has a standard AKS-74-style side folding stock. It looks to me like a regular AKS-74U. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::OK, I just watched this episode. The weapon is clearly not a Zastava M85. As best I can tell, it's a [[Norinco Type 84]] that's been modified with a Krinkov parts kit to look like an AKS-74U. It doesn't have the RPK-style heavy receiver of Zastavas, and it has a side-folding stock rather than under-folding (as on the M85). They may have called it a Zastava on the episode, but the prop weapon is something else (not uncommon in movies). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::::: So there is no way to be certain about what specific model it is? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 19:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::I'd put down that it's what I said - it's a Norinco Type 84 that's been mocked up as an AKS-74U. That's an acceptable identification, even if it's not exactly simple. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Cobray and lower handguard ==

[[Image:SG1.1.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Colonel Reynolds ([[Eric Breker]]) opens fire on the approaching Jaffa Gliders with his M4 in "Lost City, Part 1". Like others, this one has the lower handguard removed to accommodate the Cobray CM203.]]

This is what the caption first read. I edited the last sentence out because I am unsure WHY exactly they would remove the lower handguard. Is there any specific reason or was it done simply for the looks? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Because it's usually done when mounting an underbarrel launcher to an M4? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

: Thanks for answering the question, I will edit the last sentence back in. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== MP-7/P-90 Switcheroo ==
I always wondered why SG-1 switched from the MP-7 which they were using when Mitchell joined the team back to the P-90? Production costs? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

They only used the MP7 for a couple episodes and then went back to the P90 and we never see the MP7s again in the main cast. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's what I meant. It looked like they were changing weapons to the MP-7 and, if I recall, Mitchell even carried a G-36 for a while. I was wondering why they switched back to the P90 instead of keeping the HK line going. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

:How did it look like SG1 were changing weapons? They all used MP7s in exactly one episode! And that was when they were undercover posing as drug dealers. They probably thought the P90 was to recognizable. As for the G36, Mitchell (and Carter once) uses it regularly in missions that require more firepower than usual. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

:: The change to using 5.56s more than P90s was, at least in season 8, more for cost reasons (5.7mm blanks were getting expensive as the company that made them had to start filling military orders for live rounds) After that, I don't know. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::: It was my understanding that the 5.7mm shortage was only temporary, which is why the 'Carter special' from season 7 wasn't reused in the following seasons. Also I remember someone saying in an audio commentary that the main reason they kept using the G36 because they thought it looked cool! [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

::Don't quote me on this, but a while back I read that it was partly due to the fact they used Tokyo Marui products as non-firing props. And when TM developed their MP7, they provided them to the show in order to create awareness and take advantage of the airsoft playing viewers and/or cos-players. It makes sense to me, but I think only the armourer would be able to provide the right answer. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 08:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::: In my opinion, appearing in one episode and briefly in another isn't really enough exposure to justify that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Real M16A1 and M249 ==

[[Image:SG1 - S2EP15M16.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:SG1 - S2EP15M249.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
As seen in "A Matter of Time", wielded by - what I presume to be - real members of the US military. I am looking for confirmation on these. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

:How do we know they're actual enlisted U.S. military personnel? If the guy in the top image is an actual serviceman, one would expect him to know instinctively not to grip his M16 so close to the barrel and front sight (which get hot when fired).

:The gun IDs appear correct, although I'm trying to figure out why we've seen mostly K3s on the show if the armorers had access to Minimis/M249s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:: The footage was taken at the actual entrance to Cheyenne mountain and with the great display of cooperation on the part of the US Armed forces I´d say that those men being real soldiers is a fair guess. And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency. I will add them to the page now. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::: They are real forces personnel I believe, along with the majority of the soldiers seen in exterior shots of the SGC: it was mentioned once on a DVD commentary that they were real soldiers.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 13:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I have heard it mentioned that the '''establishing shots''' of Cheyenne Mountain's entrance in this show were filmed on-location, but that's JUST establishing shots. The rest of the show, including the action scenes, is filmed in British Columbia. So, I would still be really surprised if those guys are U.S. military personnel, or if that particular scene was filmed on-location. Remember that a good editor can mix footage filmed in two different locations and make it look like the entire scene takes place only in one location.

::::''And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency.''

::::Since you don't know anything about weapons, please take my word for it: That would not be "maximum efficiency" for ANYONE who wants to keep the skin on their hand intact. All AR rifles get '''hot''' around the barrel and front sight post when fired. If you hold an AR the way this guy is doing, you WILL get burned when you shoot (especially on an M16A1, which doesn't have the heavier barrel of later models). Even the most boot Private in the reserves knows this. So if that guy were actually in the Air Force, he would know to grip his M16 properly through muscle memory alone. Thus, I think it is safe to conclude that this guy is an untrained actor who had never held an M16 before working on this show. There's just no way that an enlisted soldier, Marine, or airman would do something that's so obviously wrong. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Especially the Marines. They spend more time training with the rifle than any other branch. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::On the topic of the M16 holding, maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. However, in that episode, the sequence of the soldiers jumping out of jeeps and trucks is definitely on location, as it is in front of the main entrance. Furthermore, one of the soldiers/airmen/whatevers jumping out of a truck seems to be wearing a set of Ranger Body Armour, which has never been shown in another shot as of the show as far as I know, which leads me to believe that there was at least some participation by serving soldiers. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 19:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::''maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. ''

:::::Do you really think directors are ''that'' anal? Or that they have that kind of time on their hands? The simplest explanation is that this guy simply didn't have experience with an M16 in real life, and the armorer didn't have time to show him the proper way to hold it. So ''he'' just held it the way he thought seemed cool. You're over-thinking this.

:::::Even if the soldiers leaving their vehicles was filmed on location, that one shot (of this guy holding his M16) could have still been filmed elsewhere. We don't see Cheyenne Mountain in the background, after all, and they do reshoots all the time after principal photography. Also, what is "Ranger Body Armour"? Never heard of any such thing. U.S. military personnel wore the PASGT (vest and helmet) at the time this episode was filmed. PASGT has since been replaced by the Interceptor OTV/IOTV (in the Army) and the Modular Tactical Vest (in the Marines). And all of these vests (or replicas) can be purchased by civilians, so their appearance in the show means nothing. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::IIRC, Ranger Body Armor was a set of armor with kevlar/ceramic ballistic plates that was developed for and mainly used by the 75th Ranger regiment (hence the name) from the early 1990s until the early 2000s. It was the vest that Rangers wore in Somalia and is seen pretty prominently in [[Black Hawk Down]].--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::I see. In that case, Commando552 seems to be suggesting that the producers brought in some actual Army Rangers...just to show them gathering at the complex entrance to point weapons at it? At the very least, if they were real personnel, they'd be USAF perimeter security, not Army Rangers. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::I was not suggesting they brought in Army Rangers for the filming of this one scene. I imagine that it is possible that the RBA ended up being used by people other than Rangers, so they may indeed be USAF personnel. As this footage is shot on location at the entrance, it would not have been a case of bringing in personnel, but just using the ones that were already there. I can't remember where I heard it, but have definitely heard in an interview or audio commentary that this footage was stock footage shot not specifically for this episode, but was done when they had the opportunity as it would be needed eventually. Here is a screencap:

:::::::[[Image:13yfqra.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:::::::Also it is worth noting that the other security forces are wearing a leather police type belt, rather than the ALICE webbing they wear in other appearances. It seems possible to me that they are either real security forces, or the production team was given equipment by the USAF to shoot this, as they were on location at Cheyenne. Either way this would explain the different equipment, and the use of real M16s and M249s [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 09:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Fake G3SG/1? ==

Not certain, but I believe the sniper rifle used by Oneill in Orpheus isn't an SG/1. The reason I say this is that it has a bolt on bipod rather than the integrated one in the hand-guard, it lacks full auto, it used a different after market cheek riser rather than the one supplied with the SG/1, and (although it is hard to tell from the photos) it seems to lack the secondary setting trigger behind the main one. As an aside, did all SG/1s have this secondary trigger or was it removed at some point, as the photo on the SG/1 page is also lacking it.
::MT2008 pointed out (I think) that most SG1s/SR9s in American (Canada too?) armories are modified G3/HK91s. The original sniper versions are rare and really expensive and HK think we suck and hate us. So it is better to 'chop up' and modify the much cheaper HK91 and make a similar looking rifle. Even so called G3s are HK91s with the G3 trigger pack installed, so nothing is what it seems in movies and television. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Exactly. This is an HK91 mocked up to look like a G3 SG/1. Just as the "M249s" are all mocked-up Daewoo K3s, the "Berettas" in the early episodes were all Taurus PT92s, and the "M203s" are all harmless 37mm Cobray flare launchers. That's Hollywood for you. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Thanks for that, assumed it was a HK91, but didn't know how to tell them apart specifically. Should the entry be changed to reflect this or should ti be left as is (I'm new here not sure what the procedure is for mock ups like this)? Also do you happen to know if there was a version of the SG/1 made without the setting trigger, as if not I think the photo on the SG/1 page is of a converted G3. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, the page should point out the fact that the G3/SG1 is a mock-up from an HK91. And yes, our own picture (which is itself a real movie gun) also shows a mock-up built from an HK91. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Why the ELCAN? ==

One thing has struck me looking through this article is the use of the ELCAN. Why specifically would SGC have chosen the ELCAN over ACOG for their battlefield optic?

This show was made in Canada and it would be natural for the armorer to have ELCAN scopes. Maybe he didn't have ACOGs in his armory. US troops have been seen with the ELCAN before. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Stargate SG-1

2010-10-18T03:30:27Z

Pravda616: /* Missing Guns */

season 7 ep 1 there a solder with a Barrett M82A1 sniper rifle .50 BMG

It's harder to find the scenes with guns because some of these guns are only seen once or in a couple episodes. One needs to really pay attention. The guns only seen once are the hardest to find in the haystack of 10 seasons

This will be another great project because I know where to find pictures of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, now which episode has a specfic gun will be the hard part.

The dressed up Dressed up Beretta M92F is one of the "Timecop" pistols, which were made from Taurus PT92s.

We've always wondered how much ammo does the guys have? We rarely see any of them reloading at all, and we get this were they were all forced to draw pistols. The only few times we see all of them holding pistols.

one of the bounty hunters used one of Hannibal King's "Camera/Disc" guns

==New gun pic==
If anyone was wondering about my change that I immediately 'undid' myself, I posted a pic and then deleted it because (stupid me) I put the wrong sight mount on the pistol and only realized it when I edited the page. I will repost the SG1 pistol shot when I get the correct sight mount. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

==Stinger & AT4 appearance==
I think Stinger missiles made another appearance in the last episode of Season 6 "Full Circle" when Teal'c and other kids on Abydos use them and AT4s to defend against Anubis' forces. One of the Stingers missed the glider, while Teal'c randomly fired another one and shot down another glider.

AT4 made the first appearance in Season 3 episode "Forever in a Day" when Carter picked up a AT4 from a fallen Marine and used it to destroy a staff cannon position, which is a correct application of AT4. It didn't show up again until Season 6 when people just start using it as an anti-aircraft weapons.

Interesting/Of Note: In the picture of the AT4 being fired, it is fired from the left shoulder. The AT4 is always fired from the right shoulder due to the flip up sights, safety levers, and trigger. I won't say it can't be fired from the left shoulder, I will say it would be awkward getting everything in a comfortable and functional location from what I remember. The directions on it even tell the user to use the right shoulder only.

I know it's been a while since this was posted, but the image in question looks like it's been flipped, since the sight covers are still on the top of the weapon, rather than underneath like you would expect them to be it it was being fired left handed. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== M249s ==

Can we get some evidence that the M249s are mockups rather than real ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

:You missed our forum discussion here: http://www.imfdb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=323

:Anyway, the M249s in this show, ''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]'', and many other movies and TV shows filmed in Canada are actually Korean K3 LMGs. The easiest way to tell is because they have a different style front and rear sight, but besides that, they look a lot like the SPW variant of the FN Minimi. One of our other admins, who is an armorer and gunsmith in the business, has confirmed that this was done because there was a time when armorers had a lot of difficulty acquiring real M249s. We're hoping to get pictures of the K3s (better ones than what we have now) soon so that we can illustrate the difference a bit more clearly. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==does anyone think==
Does anyone think we should add the energy weapons such as staff weapons and zat guns? I know they are not real firearms but they do play a large part in the show and they are cool.

:They might be cool, but they are not real weapons. I don't want to put the time to do such a thing. This is Internet Movie FIrearms Database, not alien and fantasy weapons database [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I know I was just thinking that they are a very importiant part of the show. Just look at how many times zat guns have saved them. haha

there are article on fictional guns...there should a Internet Movie weapon Database covering all weapons in movies. Rex095

:I guess it shouldn't be too bad, but if you are going to post crappy low res shots, forget it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== Luger? ==

Can anyone ID the handgun used by Teal'c to threaten Netan in Season 9, Episode 20, Camelot? I know this a bit of a long shot because the weapon in question is only seen for a few seconds and from crappy angles. I think it might be a Luger P08. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

:I think it is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

[[Image:SG1Luger.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)== not a M4 ==
this pick really dosent look like a M4 carbine in lookis more like a Diemaco C8 carbine --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC) [[Image:1SGM4A1.jpg]]

:Because it has an Elcan? Some of our Canadian armorer friends have told us that Diemaco/Colt Canada does not sell its weapons to film armorers, so it is pretty much impossible to see any C7 or C8 rifles in film/TV. We have mistakenly referred to some M16/CAR1-5 rifles as Diemaco weapons in the past, but this is a mistake that needs to be corrected. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

:There really isn't much distinct differences between the 2 carbines at a glance. You see so many ELCAN sights is because the show was made in Canada, [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:: That is an M4, it has a stepped barrel. The C8 has an M16A1 style barrel without the M203 step. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
ok thanks for clearing that up --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

==The "Carter Special"==

The page says that this gun is a cut-down Armalite M15A4. However, that lower receiver is quite clearly Olympic Arms - you can tell by the white writing on the right side of the magazine well, plus I watched the episode, and it's possible to see the OA crest on the left side, too. I would guess that this gun is probably a modified K23B "stubby" with the front sight removed, a free-floating hand guard installed, and the thumbhole stock added. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:Well I posted the image, but I don't remember calling it an Armalite. Let's change it to an OA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::It's a K23B, not an OA93. But I will correct it myself... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::: The Stargate Wiki has some additional infos on the parts used. http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Micro_16_assault_rifle --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

::::They're also wrong about the type of weapon that the Carter Special was based on, and I told them so in the discussion. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::I've amended the base weapon on there. Is there anything else that needs correcting? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::Yes, that stock is not from an AR-180, it's a "Bell & Carlson AR-15 Thumbhole Stock". --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 16:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: On there, not here. I trust the info here more than there. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

==The M16A2s/C7s==

(moved from the page)

:''These are all Colt Model 715s, which are equivalent to the Diemaco C7, not M16A2s. If you look closely, you can see they all have the A1-style rear sight (adjustable for windage but NOT elevation, unlike the A2-style rear sight).''
::''I agree. That's what we get for filming a show in Canada.... :) ''

:::Al Vrkljan told me on the ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)]]'' page that Canadian armorers can't acquire Colt Canada rifles, either, because they only sell to military/LE. But those guns do look ''very'' C7-ish to me...

well tennachly they don`t have to own them ,lots of militarys have leanded weapons to tv and movie armourers. but in this case they are not. --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 23:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

::I can't imagine there's any military (outside of the poorest Third World countries) that would ever lend its weapons to film armorers. Motion picture blanks are very different from military blanks (they're loaded with far more powder, so they'll produce a bigger flash on camera), so you can't just loan an M16 to a film's property master, stick on a military BFA, and expect it to fire full-flash blanks. Plus there are legal issues involved, I'm sure.

::Anyway, the Canadian armory which supplies weapons to ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' also supplies to lots of other movies and TV shows filmed in British Columbia. Since that conversation we had on the SG1 page, we have noticed that the "C7" rifles that this armory stocks are actually Olympic Arms K4Bs (which look identical to the C7, except that they have the distinctive "Stowaway" pistol grip). I can pretty much guarantee you that the "C7s" in ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' are these same guns. In which case, they definitely didn't come from the Canadian armed forces. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Missing Guns ==

Does someone want to check out season 1, episode 18, Tin Man? I saw an Uzi and what looked like a Dragunov sniper rifle. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

: [[Image:SG1 - S6EP15PKM.jpg|thumb|500px|none|One of the Russian SG members returning from Nirrti´s hideout, carrying a [[PKM]].]]
: This one? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Well no, that's from season 6, episode 16. But good point, that also looks like a Dragunov. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: Are you sure it´s Tin Man? The only weapons visible in that episode are the standard MP5´s if I remember correctly . --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 08:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, SG1 has so many episodes that I got confused. I meant season 2, episode 4, Gamekeeper. I'm sure there was an Uzi and a Dragunov being used by the East Germans in O'Neill's flashback. There was also a rifle being used by O'Neill's team for counter-sniping that didn't recognize. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: Added the Dragunov. I couldn't spot the UZI, though. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 10:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:: It's been bugging me for weeks, but I finnaly remembered where I had seen an UZI on SG1. Micro-UZIs were used twice in season 4. The Secret Sevice used them in episode 5, 'Divide and Conquer' and The NID agents in episode 15, 'Chain Reaction' had them along with some MP5Ks. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 03:32 PM, 30/9/10

== Zastava discussion ==
[[Image:SGAK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
One scene, this Russian SG woman was using what appeared to be an AK47 variant (with a .223 magazine - could be a Type 84, or if the receiver has an RPK reinforcing bar, it could be the Zastava M90 chambered in 5.56mm NATO), but in the next scene, it appeared to be an AK-74.

:''The magazine appears to be Norinco Type 84-style, and there are lots of those in Hollywood's rental armories.''
::''Could be but since SG1 is filmed in Canada, none of the California armorers work on the show and Canadian armorers can still get a lot of stuff that we Americans can't (despite their ridiculous gun restrictions for the 'common folk').

:::Yeah, possibly. I admit the fact that the M70B appears in the show suggests it could be an M90. However, I seem to recall seeing at least one episode of this show where the AK74 I saw was definitely a Type 84 (hooded front sight, smooth receiver cover, plus less-curved mag).

:::: In this episode, the Russian officer asks about O'Neills P90, and then saying that he himself prefers the Serb/Yugoslav Zastava. They are most likely the M85, which is a pretty standard looking AK-74U copy. picture: http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/39/24/32/m85_5_12.jpg

::::: I'm pretty sure he name-checks it as an M85 in that scene. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::I'm not sure it's an M85. The M85 has an under-folding stock, while this weapon has a standard AKS-74-style side folding stock. It looks to me like a regular AKS-74U. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::OK, I just watched this episode. The weapon is clearly not a Zastava M85. As best I can tell, it's a [[Norinco Type 84]] that's been modified with a Krinkov parts kit to look like an AKS-74U. It doesn't have the RPK-style heavy receiver of Zastavas, and it has a side-folding stock rather than under-folding (as on the M85). They may have called it a Zastava on the episode, but the prop weapon is something else (not uncommon in movies). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::::: So there is no way to be certain about what specific model it is? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 19:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::I'd put down that it's what I said - it's a Norinco Type 84 that's been mocked up as an AKS-74U. That's an acceptable identification, even if it's not exactly simple. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Cobray and lower handguard ==

[[Image:SG1.1.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Colonel Reynolds ([[Eric Breker]]) opens fire on the approaching Jaffa Gliders with his M4 in "Lost City, Part 1". Like others, this one has the lower handguard removed to accommodate the Cobray CM203.]]

This is what the caption first read. I edited the last sentence out because I am unsure WHY exactly they would remove the lower handguard. Is there any specific reason or was it done simply for the looks? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Because it's usually done when mounting an underbarrel launcher to an M4? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

: Thanks for answering the question, I will edit the last sentence back in. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== MP-7/P-90 Switcheroo ==
I always wondered why SG-1 switched from the MP-7 which they were using when Mitchell joined the team back to the P-90? Production costs? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

They only used the MP7 for a couple episodes and then went back to the P90 and we never see the MP7s again in the main cast. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's what I meant. It looked like they were changing weapons to the MP-7 and, if I recall, Mitchell even carried a G-36 for a while. I was wondering why they switched back to the P90 instead of keeping the HK line going. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

:How did it look like SG1 were changing weapons? They all used MP7s in exactly one episode! And that was when they were undercover posing as drug dealers. They probably thought the P90 was to recognizable. As for the G36, Mitchell (and Carter once) uses it regularly in missions that require more firepower than usual. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

:: The change to using 5.56s more than P90s was, at least in season 8, more for cost reasons (5.7mm blanks were getting expensive as the company that made them had to start filling military orders for live rounds) After that, I don't know. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::: It was my understanding that the 5.7mm shortage was only temporary, which is why the 'Carter special' from season 7 wasn't reused in the following seasons. Also I remember someone saying in an audio commentary that the main reason they kept using the G36 because they thought it looked cool! [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

::Don't quote me on this, but a while back I read that it was partly due to the fact they used Tokyo Marui products as non-firing props. And when TM developed their MP7, they provided them to the show in order to create awareness and take advantage of the airsoft playing viewers and/or cos-players. It makes sense to me, but I think only the armourer would be able to provide the right answer. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 08:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::: In my opinion, appearing in one episode and briefly in another isn't really enough exposure to justify that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Real M16A1 and M249 ==

[[Image:SG1 - S2EP15M16.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:SG1 - S2EP15M249.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
As seen in "A Matter of Time", wielded by - what I presume to be - real members of the US military. I am looking for confirmation on these. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

:How do we know they're actual enlisted U.S. military personnel? If the guy in the top image is an actual serviceman, one would expect him to know instinctively not to grip his M16 so close to the barrel and front sight (which get hot when fired).

:The gun IDs appear correct, although I'm trying to figure out why we've seen mostly K3s on the show if the armorers had access to Minimis/M249s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:: The footage was taken at the actual entrance to Cheyenne mountain and with the great display of cooperation on the part of the US Armed forces I´d say that those men being real soldiers is a fair guess. And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency. I will add them to the page now. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::: They are real forces personnel I believe, along with the majority of the soldiers seen in exterior shots of the SGC: it was mentioned once on a DVD commentary that they were real soldiers.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 13:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I have heard it mentioned that the '''establishing shots''' of Cheyenne Mountain's entrance in this show were filmed on-location, but that's JUST establishing shots. The rest of the show, including the action scenes, is filmed in British Columbia. So, I would still be really surprised if those guys are U.S. military personnel, or if that particular scene was filmed on-location. Remember that a good editor can mix footage filmed in two different locations and make it look like the entire scene takes place only in one location.

::::''And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency.''

::::Since you don't know anything about weapons, please take my word for it: That would not be "maximum efficiency" for ANYONE who wants to keep the skin on their hand intact. All AR rifles get '''hot''' around the barrel and front sight post when fired. If you hold an AR the way this guy is doing, you WILL get burned when you shoot (especially on an M16A1, which doesn't have the heavier barrel of later models). Even the most boot Private in the reserves knows this. So if that guy were actually in the Air Force, he would know to grip his M16 properly through muscle memory alone. Thus, I think it is safe to conclude that this guy is an untrained actor who had never held an M16 before working on this show. There's just no way that an enlisted soldier, Marine, or airman would do something that's so obviously wrong. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Especially the Marines. They spend more time training with the rifle than any other branch. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::On the topic of the M16 holding, maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. However, in that episode, the sequence of the soldiers jumping out of jeeps and trucks is definitely on location, as it is in front of the main entrance. Furthermore, one of the soldiers/airmen/whatevers jumping out of a truck seems to be wearing a set of Ranger Body Armour, which has never been shown in another shot as of the show as far as I know, which leads me to believe that there was at least some participation by serving soldiers. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 19:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::''maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. ''

:::::Do you really think directors are ''that'' anal? Or that they have that kind of time on their hands? The simplest explanation is that this guy simply didn't have experience with an M16 in real life, and the armorer didn't have time to show him the proper way to hold it. So ''he'' just held it the way he thought seemed cool. You're over-thinking this.

:::::Even if the soldiers leaving their vehicles was filmed on location, that one shot (of this guy holding his M16) could have still been filmed elsewhere. We don't see Cheyenne Mountain in the background, after all, and they do reshoots all the time after principal photography. Also, what is "Ranger Body Armour"? Never heard of any such thing. U.S. military personnel wore the PASGT (vest and helmet) at the time this episode was filmed. PASGT has since been replaced by the Interceptor OTV/IOTV (in the Army) and the Modular Tactical Vest (in the Marines). And all of these vests (or replicas) can be purchased by civilians, so their appearance in the show means nothing. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::IIRC, Ranger Body Armor was a set of armor with kevlar/ceramic ballistic plates that was developed for and mainly used by the 75th Ranger regiment (hence the name) from the early 1990s until the early 2000s. It was the vest that Rangers wore in Somalia and is seen pretty prominently in [[Black Hawk Down]].--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::I see. In that case, Commando552 seems to be suggesting that the producers brought in some actual Army Rangers...just to show them gathering at the complex entrance to point weapons at it? At the very least, if they were real personnel, they'd be USAF perimeter security, not Army Rangers. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::I was not suggesting they brought in Army Rangers for the filming of this one scene. I imagine that it is possible that the RBA ended up being used by people other than Rangers, so they may indeed be USAF personnel. As this footage is shot on location at the entrance, it would not have been a case of bringing in personnel, but just using the ones that were already there. I can't remember where I heard it, but have definitely heard in an interview or audio commentary that this footage was stock footage shot not specifically for this episode, but was done when they had the opportunity as it would be needed eventually. Here is a screencap:

:::::::[[Image:13yfqra.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:::::::Also it is worth noting that the other security forces are wearing a leather police type belt, rather than the ALICE webbing they wear in other appearances. It seems possible to me that they are either real security forces, or the production team was given equipment by the USAF to shoot this, as they were on location at Cheyenne. Either way this would explain the different equipment, and the use of real M16s and M249s [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 09:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Fake G3SG/1? ==

Not certain, but I believe the sniper rifle used by Oneill in Orpheus isn't an SG/1. The reason I say this is that it has a bolt on bipod rather than the integrated one in the hand-guard, it lacks full auto, it used a different after market cheek riser rather than the one supplied with the SG/1, and (although it is hard to tell from the photos) it seems to lack the secondary setting trigger behind the main one. As an aside, did all SG/1s have this secondary trigger or was it removed at some point, as the photo on the SG/1 page is also lacking it.
::MT2008 pointed out (I think) that most SG1s/SR9s in American (Canada too?) armories are modified G3/HK91s. The original sniper versions are rare and really expensive and HK think we suck and hate us. So it is better to 'chop up' and modify the much cheaper HK91 and make a similar looking rifle. Even so called G3s are HK91s with the G3 trigger pack installed, so nothing is what it seems in movies and television. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Exactly. This is an HK91 mocked up to look like a G3 SG/1. Just as the "M249s" are all mocked-up Daewoo K3s, the "Berettas" in the early episodes were all Taurus PT92s, and the "M203s" are all harmless 37mm Cobray flare launchers. That's Hollywood for you. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Thanks for that, assumed it was a HK91, but didn't know how to tell them apart specifically. Should the entry be changed to reflect this or should ti be left as is (I'm new here not sure what the procedure is for mock ups like this)? Also do you happen to know if there was a version of the SG/1 made without the setting trigger, as if not I think the photo on the SG/1 page is of a converted G3. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yes, the page should point out the fact that the G3/SG1 is a mock-up from an HK91. And yes, our own picture (which is itself a real movie gun) also shows a mock-up built from an HK91. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Why the ELCAN? ==

One thing has struck me looking through this article is the use of the ELCAN. Why specifically would SGC have chosen the ELCAN over ACOG for their battlefield optic?

This show was made in Canada and it would be natural for the armorer to have ELCAN scopes. Maybe he didn't have ACOGs in his armory. US troops have been seen with the ELCAN before. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Pravda616

2010-10-13T06:59:20Z

Pravda616: /* Company of Heroes */

==Company of Heroes==
How is it inaccurate for an MG42 to be mounted on top of tanks? You probably meant the hull-mounted machine gun, but it's actually an MG34, which is accurate. Some tanks do have MG42s mounted on them and maybe have two MGs in a tank. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 12:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

:-I've made a fairly extensive study of WW2 tanks and I'm telling you that the standard MG for German tanks (in all positions, hull, coaxial and cupola) was the MG34. To the best of my knowledge, no MG42s were used in any German tank except for early model Jagdpanzer IVs. (which aren't in CoH) [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 7:05 PM, 13/10/10

Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-11T01:50:19Z

Pravda616: /* MG42 */

[[Image:CoH_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes (2006)]]
[[Image:CoH-of.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts (2007)]]
[[Image:CoH-ToV.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor (2009)]]
'''Note: Even though this is a real-time strategy game, guns can be seen during gameplay and in several cutscenes.'''

'''The following guns can be seen in the 2006 real-time strategy game and its standalone expansion packs ''Company of Heroes:'''''

=United States=

==M1A1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]] appears as the standard issue for American Rifle squad leaders (denoted by their radios) and airborne troopers as well as artillery gun crews, though M1A1 Carbines were commonly issued to U.S. paratroopers, gun crews and squad leaders would carry a regular M1 Carbine in real life.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:M1A1C-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of U.S. paratroopers with M1A1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:M1A1carbineclose-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the M1A1 Carbine as the paratrooper meets with other paratroopers.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is used by a few soldiers in cutscenes only, mainly Captain John MacKay and Sgt. Conti. The Thompson is an upgrade for American Ranger squads, which makes them able to mowe down any enemy infantry unit at very close ranges, but useless at longer ranges. It also appears in the tutorial in the hands of the starting rifle squad (this is the only time a rifleman is seen carrying a Thompson).

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Thompson-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain John MacKay with an M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Thompson1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Conti fires his M1A1 Thompson at German machine gun crews inside a bunker.]]
[[Image:Tommy-CoHOF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the tutorial riflemen squad with an M1A1 Thompson.]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
The American engineers in the game use [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]] as their primary weapon. The M3 "Grease Gun" is pretty weak due to the gun's short range unless you get them closer to the target.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:M3-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of engineers with M3 "Grease Guns."]]

==M1 Garand==
Many of the riflemen in the riflemen squads in the game use [[M1 Garand]]s. Note that a Riflemen will fire faster at a shorter range.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1Rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman stays in cover with his M1 Garand ready.]]
[[Image:M1rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 riflemen respond to an ambush with their M1 Garands.]]
[[Image:M1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A riflemen squad guarding their HQ with M1 Garands.]]

==Browning M2HB==
The American Sherman tanks and M8 Greyhound armored cars have mounted [[Browning M2|Browning M2HBs]]. The P-47s in the game are seen firing a possible aircraft version of the Browning M2, since that most planes were armed with that at that time. If you upgrade your halftracks, you will have an M3 halftrack with 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sherman with a mounted Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans a Browning M2HB mounted on a Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Browning M2 M51 Quad Mounted System.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.]]

==Browning M1917==
Despite being rarely issued to the U.S. Army during World War 2, the [[Browning M1917]] appears as the main weapon for American gun emplacements and machine gun crews. The M1917 used by gun crews is also able to fire armor piercing rounds, which makes the weapon an excellent counter for early german armored vehicles, such as the Puma or Halftacks.
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires his Browning M1917 at advancing German Panzer divisions.]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun emplacement with a Browning M1917.]]

==Browning M1919==
The jeeps in the game are armed with [[Browning M1919]]s. The Shermans in-game also have one mounted in their hull.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Browning M1919 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A jeep gunner fires his Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hull-mounted Browning M1919 in a Sherman tank.]]

==Browning M1918A2==
In the game, the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning M1918A2]] appears as an upgrade to the riflemen squad's loadout. The upgrade replaces some of the riflemen's standard-issued [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] and [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]]s with Browning M1918A2s. The Browning M1918A2 in-game causes more damage than the standard semi-automatic rifles, but its range is cut in half, making it only useful at short range. BAR-equipped riflemen are also able to lay down supressive fire, weakening and eventually completely pinning enemy infantry.

[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BAR1918-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman looks around while armed with his Browning M1918A2.]]

==Mk II Grenade==
The riflemen and the airborne troops use [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s. Unlike most video games, they take longer to take out and explode since that the squad must go straight to the target and throw the grenade.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoH-M2grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Mk II grenade on the ground before exploding.]]

==M2 Flamethrower==
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is available as an upgrade to the engineer's weapony, which gives an engineer an M2 Flamethrower. An interesting fact is that the M2 Flamethrower in-game has no front grip and the trigger is repositioned to the back grip.
[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:flamethrower-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An engineer with an M2 Flamethrower.]]

==M1903A4 Springfield==
U.S. Army snipers in-game use [[M1903 Springfield#1903A4 Springfield Sniper Rifle|M1903A4 Springfield]]s.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06.]]
[[Image:sniperman-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. sniper with an M1903A4 Springfield.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
[[M18 smoke grenade]]s are used by U.S. airborne troopers and several ground troops. The smoke grenades can be also modified to be fired by M2 Mortars, vehicles, and be thrown by ground troops.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|M18 smoke grenade]]
[[Image:M18-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunch of paratroopers with M18 smoke grenades attached to their vests (circled in red).]]

==M18 Recoiless Rifle==
Airborne troopers can be upgraded with [[M18 Recoilless Rifle]]s. The M18 Recoiless Rifle is anachronistic as the M18 was developed near the end of World War 2 and it wouldn't be ready that fast for the Normandy invasion.
[[Image:M18 Recoilless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18 Recoilless Rifle - 57mm]]
[[Image:M18RR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. airborne trooper with an M18 Recoiless Rifle.]]

==M1 Bazooka==
U.S. Rangers squads are always seen with one or two Ranger with an [[M1 Bazooka]]s (they can be picked up by other troops after the user is killed) and are inaccurately called "M9 Bazookas" in-game as the model in-game has an extra pistol grip and shoulder rest. The M1 Bazooka was replaced by the M1A1 Bazooka and the M9 and M9A1 Bazookas in 1944, making it inaccurate to be seen during the Normandy missions.
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoH-ranger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A ranger with an M1 Bazooka.]]

==M2 Mortar==
The [[M2 Mortar]]s are used by U.S. mortar teams and British mortar teams. The one in-game can also fire smoke rounds, which helps conceal movement and cover the retreat for Allied troops.
[[Image:M2Mortar60mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 60mm Mortar]]
[[Image:mortatUS-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. mortar team waiting for orders from the player to fire the M2 Mortar.]]

==Sticky Bombs==
U.S. infantry troops have throwable [[Sticky Bomb|sticky bomb]]s, a bomb capable of sticking onto objects. Actually based on the improvised [[Saving Private Ryan|Saving Private Ryan]] sticky bomb than the British No 74 ST Grenade.
[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Sticky Bomb]]

=United Kingdom=
==Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I==
Many of the British soldiers begin with [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I]]. Once the player gets enough munitions, one riflemen in the section can be upgraded to have a scoped [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I(T)]], or the entire section can be given access to rifle grenades.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. First placed in service with the British military in 1941.]]
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with a scope - .303 British]]
[[Image:britrifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British rifleman with a Lee Enfield.]]
[[Image:sniperBrit-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British sniper with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]

==Sten Mk. II==
The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] is the main weapon for the British Lieutenant ("Leftenant" in the British-English language), while the airborne commandos (Parachute Regiment troops, denoted by their maroon beret) use the suppressed [[Sten|Sten Mk. IIS]].
[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sten-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British Lieutenant with a Sten Mk. II.]]
[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Integrally suppressed Sten Mk IIS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Stencommando-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A squad of commandos firing their suppressed Sten Mk. IIs. Note the visibility of A.I. glitches here.]]

==Vickers machine gun==
The British machine gun emplacements, machine gun crews and Bren Carriers in the game are armed with [[Vickers|Vickers machine guns]].
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Vickers-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British machine gun emplacement with a Vickers machine gun.]]

==Bren light machine gun==
Bren carriers and infantry sections can carry [[Bren gun|Bren light machine guns]]. The Bren light machine gun is available as an upgrade to the armament of British Infantry and elite combat troops. Squads with Bren LMGs are able to pin enemy vehicles by laying supressive fire on their scopes, making them unable to move or fight for a few seconds, enough to pull infantry out or get AT in place.

[[Image:Bren_mk2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk2 - .303 caliber]]

=Nazi Germany=
==Luger P08==
German artillary crewmen and officers carry [[Luger P08]]s as self defense against infantry. Strangely, the Luger does almost accurate one shot kills, no matter if the enemy is equipped with some automatic weapon.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Luger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German artillary crew member with a Luger P08.]]
[[Image:Luger2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German officer holding the Luger P08.]]

==MP40==
German Pioneer squads, Volksgrenadier squads as an upgrade, and by the assistant in MG teams use [[MP40]]s. Unlike most World War 2 movies and video games, the MP40 is accurately shown held correctly with the folding stock extended.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with an MP40.]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another German soldier defends a machine gunner with his MP40.]]

==Kar98k==
The [[Karabiner 98k|Kar98k]] are used by most German combat infantry. Kar98k users can defeat the M1 Garand riflemen at range, despite its low rate of fire and smaller amount of rounds in its stripper clip. However, at closer range, the M1 is superior.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:CoH-K98k.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German Volksgrenadiers attack an American-occupied building with Kar98ks.]]

==MG42==
The [[MG42]] are used in many of the bunkers in the D-Day campaign and mounted inaccurately on many of the German tanks, motorbikes (the ones on the motorbikes and tanks have drum magazines), machine gun emplacements, halftracks and buildings. It is also the primary weapon for German machine gun crews and can added to grenadier squads as an upgrade. In the beginning cutscene of the D-Day mission, we see MG42s firing and mowing down troops in the same angle as the German gunners in [[Saving Private Ryan]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-SPR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner fires his MG42 at American troops.]]
[[Image:MG42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunker on Omaha Beach with 2 German gunners manning MG42s.]]
[[Image:MG42bipod-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gunner carrying his MG42 with a tripod.]]
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-bike-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner mans an MG42 mounted on a motorbike.]]
[[Image:MG42Tiger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner mans an MG42 with a drum magazine mounted on a Tiger Ace (later replaced by a King Tiger in later patches).]]

==MG34==
The [[MG34]] can be seen mounted in the hull and coaxial positions of Wehrmacht tanks. Although an [[MG42]] is seen on the pintle mount, in reality it should also be an MG34.
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]
[[Image:PanzerIV-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Panzer IV with a hull-mounted MG34.]]

==Gewehr 43 (scoped)==
The German snipers in the game use scoped [[Gewehr 43]]s. In the Opposing Fronts expansion, the Gewehr 43 is available as an upgrade to the arsenal of the German elite combat units and is only useful at long range.
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]
[[Image:Gewehrsniper-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]

==Flakvierling 38==
Used as the Panzer Lehr base defenses and in cut scenes. They are also the main weapon for the Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind.
[[Image:flak38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flak 38 in anti-air configuration - 20x138mmB.]]
[[Image:flak38-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 near some German guards.]]
[[Image:flak382-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 in-game being fired at British gliders.]]

==Panzerschreck==
Sturmtrooper squads and grenadier squads can be upgraded with [[Panzerschreck]]s to combat enemy vehicles if need to be. Allied troops can scavenge them from dead Germans and supply depots.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck rocket launcher 88mm]]
[[Image:Panzerschrek-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German Sturmtrooper with a Panzerschreck.]]

==Panzerfaust==
The [[Panzerfaust]] is a weapon that Sturmtrooper and Volksgrenadier squads (Knight's Cross Holders can obtain this ability through patches) can obtain through abilities. It allows the Sturmtrooper squad to fire a quick rocket at a vehicle when Panzerschrecks are unavailable.
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm warhead]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
The standard stick grenade of the German army, the [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]], is unlocked once you upgrade your HQ or you select the Blitzkrieg Doctrine.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

==Sturmgewehr 44==
German sturmtroopers and elite combat units are seen with [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s. Some units can also be upgraded with the StG44 and a few are seen on D-Day missions, which is anachronistic. The Sturmgewehr 44s weren't issued to the Wehrmacht until around June 13.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Sturmgun 44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Sturmgewehr 44s on the ground.]]
[[Image:Sturngun44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A large group of Knight's Cross Holders with Sturmgewehr 44s.]]

==Flammenwerfer 42==
The German pioneers can be upgraded with a [[Flammenwerfer 42]], similar to their American counterpart.
[[Image:Flammenwerfer41-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Flammenwerfer 35 flamethrower, similar to the Flammenwerfer 42.]]
[[Image:F42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German pioneer fires his Flammenwerfer 42 at U.S. soldiers.]]

==FK 36 Field Gun==
Makes an appearance in the single player campaigns used by German artillery crews. Can be built in multi player by the Wehrmacht defensive doctrine, where it is the most powerful anti tank weapon on the field. Strangely dealing even more damage than the longer barreled version of the gun, found in the Pzkpfw VI Tiger II aka King Tiger.
[[Image:fk38fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The FK 36 Field Gun - 88mm.]]
[[Image:fk38fg-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 36 field gun in the background in a cutscene.]]

==Misc==
===Goliath mobile bomb===
One of the features of Company of Heroes is the Goliath, a remote-controlled mobile bomb that can be signaled to detonate itself and is quite a useful tool in taking out enemy fortifications and units before they realize what it is. During World War 2, Germany built around 7,564 Goliaths, but few of them were used due to their lack of protection against anti-tank weapons as the armor only protects it from small arms fire, vulnerable command cables, high cost, slow speed, and quite weak ground clearance, but it did inspire future post-WWII remote-controlled technologies. The fact that it explodes when destroyed, also makes it a good tool against large infantry formations as if the soldiers aren't able to score a lucky hit with bazookas or recoiless rifles, they are most likely not be able to destroy it before it is in range.

[[Image:Goliath-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Goliath bomb on a mission to destroy an enemy fortification.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Real-Time strategy]]

Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-11T01:46:54Z

Pravda616: /* MG34 */

[[Image:CoH_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes (2006)]]
[[Image:CoH-of.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts (2007)]]
[[Image:CoH-ToV.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor (2009)]]
'''Note: Even though this is a real-time strategy game, guns can be seen during gameplay and in several cutscenes.'''

'''The following guns can be seen in the 2006 real-time strategy game and its standalone expansion packs ''Company of Heroes:'''''

=United States=

==M1A1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]] appears as the standard issue for American Rifle squad leaders (denoted by their radios) and airborne troopers as well as artillery gun crews, though M1A1 Carbines were commonly issued to U.S. paratroopers, gun crews and squad leaders would carry a regular M1 Carbine in real life.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:M1A1C-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of U.S. paratroopers with M1A1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:M1A1carbineclose-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the M1A1 Carbine as the paratrooper meets with other paratroopers.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is used by a few soldiers in cutscenes only, mainly Captain John MacKay and Sgt. Conti. The Thompson is an upgrade for American Ranger squads, which makes them able to mowe down any enemy infantry unit at very close ranges, but useless at longer ranges. It also appears in the tutorial in the hands of the starting rifle squad (this is the only time a rifleman is seen carrying a Thompson).

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Thompson-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain John MacKay with an M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Thompson1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Conti fires his M1A1 Thompson at German machine gun crews inside a bunker.]]
[[Image:Tommy-CoHOF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the tutorial riflemen squad with an M1A1 Thompson.]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
The American engineers in the game use [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]] as their primary weapon. The M3 "Grease Gun" is pretty weak due to the gun's short range unless you get them closer to the target.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:M3-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of engineers with M3 "Grease Guns."]]

==M1 Garand==
Many of the riflemen in the riflemen squads in the game use [[M1 Garand]]s. Note that a Riflemen will fire faster at a shorter range.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1Rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman stays in cover with his M1 Garand ready.]]
[[Image:M1rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 riflemen respond to an ambush with their M1 Garands.]]
[[Image:M1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A riflemen squad guarding their HQ with M1 Garands.]]

==Browning M2HB==
The American Sherman tanks and M8 Greyhound armored cars have mounted [[Browning M2|Browning M2HBs]]. The P-47s in the game are seen firing a possible aircraft version of the Browning M2, since that most planes were armed with that at that time. If you upgrade your halftracks, you will have an M3 halftrack with 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sherman with a mounted Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans a Browning M2HB mounted on a Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Browning M2 M51 Quad Mounted System.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.]]

==Browning M1917==
Despite being rarely issued to the U.S. Army during World War 2, the [[Browning M1917]] appears as the main weapon for American gun emplacements and machine gun crews. The M1917 used by gun crews is also able to fire armor piercing rounds, which makes the weapon an excellent counter for early german armored vehicles, such as the Puma or Halftacks.
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires his Browning M1917 at advancing German Panzer divisions.]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun emplacement with a Browning M1917.]]

==Browning M1919==
The jeeps in the game are armed with [[Browning M1919]]s. The Shermans in-game also have one mounted in their hull.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Browning M1919 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A jeep gunner fires his Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hull-mounted Browning M1919 in a Sherman tank.]]

==Browning M1918A2==
In the game, the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning M1918A2]] appears as an upgrade to the riflemen squad's loadout. The upgrade replaces some of the riflemen's standard-issued [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] and [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]]s with Browning M1918A2s. The Browning M1918A2 in-game causes more damage than the standard semi-automatic rifles, but its range is cut in half, making it only useful at short range. BAR-equipped riflemen are also able to lay down supressive fire, weakening and eventually completely pinning enemy infantry.

[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BAR1918-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman looks around while armed with his Browning M1918A2.]]

==Mk II Grenade==
The riflemen and the airborne troops use [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s. Unlike most video games, they take longer to take out and explode since that the squad must go straight to the target and throw the grenade.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoH-M2grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Mk II grenade on the ground before exploding.]]

==M2 Flamethrower==
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is available as an upgrade to the engineer's weapony, which gives an engineer an M2 Flamethrower. An interesting fact is that the M2 Flamethrower in-game has no front grip and the trigger is repositioned to the back grip.
[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:flamethrower-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An engineer with an M2 Flamethrower.]]

==M1903A4 Springfield==
U.S. Army snipers in-game use [[M1903 Springfield#1903A4 Springfield Sniper Rifle|M1903A4 Springfield]]s.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06.]]
[[Image:sniperman-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. sniper with an M1903A4 Springfield.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
[[M18 smoke grenade]]s are used by U.S. airborne troopers and several ground troops. The smoke grenades can be also modified to be fired by M2 Mortars, vehicles, and be thrown by ground troops.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|M18 smoke grenade]]
[[Image:M18-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunch of paratroopers with M18 smoke grenades attached to their vests (circled in red).]]

==M18 Recoiless Rifle==
Airborne troopers can be upgraded with [[M18 Recoilless Rifle]]s. The M18 Recoiless Rifle is anachronistic as the M18 was developed near the end of World War 2 and it wouldn't be ready that fast for the Normandy invasion.
[[Image:M18 Recoilless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18 Recoilless Rifle - 57mm]]
[[Image:M18RR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. airborne trooper with an M18 Recoiless Rifle.]]

==M1 Bazooka==
U.S. Rangers squads are always seen with one or two Ranger with an [[M1 Bazooka]]s (they can be picked up by other troops after the user is killed) and are inaccurately called "M9 Bazookas" in-game as the model in-game has an extra pistol grip and shoulder rest. The M1 Bazooka was replaced by the M1A1 Bazooka and the M9 and M9A1 Bazookas in 1944, making it inaccurate to be seen during the Normandy missions.
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoH-ranger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A ranger with an M1 Bazooka.]]

==M2 Mortar==
The [[M2 Mortar]]s are used by U.S. mortar teams and British mortar teams. The one in-game can also fire smoke rounds, which helps conceal movement and cover the retreat for Allied troops.
[[Image:M2Mortar60mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 60mm Mortar]]
[[Image:mortatUS-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. mortar team waiting for orders from the player to fire the M2 Mortar.]]

==Sticky Bombs==
U.S. infantry troops have throwable [[Sticky Bomb|sticky bomb]]s, a bomb capable of sticking onto objects. Actually based on the improvised [[Saving Private Ryan|Saving Private Ryan]] sticky bomb than the British No 74 ST Grenade.
[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Sticky Bomb]]

=United Kingdom=
==Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I==
Many of the British soldiers begin with [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I]]. Once the player gets enough munitions, one riflemen in the section can be upgraded to have a scoped [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I(T)]], or the entire section can be given access to rifle grenades.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. First placed in service with the British military in 1941.]]
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with a scope - .303 British]]
[[Image:britrifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British rifleman with a Lee Enfield.]]
[[Image:sniperBrit-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British sniper with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]

==Sten Mk. II==
The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] is the main weapon for the British Lieutenant ("Leftenant" in the British-English language), while the airborne commandos (Parachute Regiment troops, denoted by their maroon beret) use the suppressed [[Sten|Sten Mk. IIS]].
[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sten-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British Lieutenant with a Sten Mk. II.]]
[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Integrally suppressed Sten Mk IIS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Stencommando-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A squad of commandos firing their suppressed Sten Mk. IIs. Note the visibility of A.I. glitches here.]]

==Vickers machine gun==
The British machine gun emplacements, machine gun crews and Bren Carriers in the game are armed with [[Vickers|Vickers machine guns]].
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Vickers-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British machine gun emplacement with a Vickers machine gun.]]

==Bren light machine gun==
Bren carriers and infantry sections can carry [[Bren gun|Bren light machine guns]]. The Bren light machine gun is available as an upgrade to the armament of British Infantry and elite combat troops. Squads with Bren LMGs are able to pin enemy vehicles by laying supressive fire on their scopes, making them unable to move or fight for a few seconds, enough to pull infantry out or get AT in place.

[[Image:Bren_mk2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk2 - .303 caliber]]

=Nazi Germany=
==Luger P08==
German artillary crewmen and officers carry [[Luger P08]]s as self defense against infantry. Strangely, the Luger does almost accurate one shot kills, no matter if the enemy is equipped with some automatic weapon.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Luger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German artillary crew member with a Luger P08.]]
[[Image:Luger2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German officer holding the Luger P08.]]

==MP40==
German Pioneer squads, Volksgrenadier squads as an upgrade, and by the assistant in MG teams use [[MP40]]s. Unlike most World War 2 movies and video games, the MP40 is accurately shown held correctly with the folding stock extended.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with an MP40.]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another German soldier defends a machine gunner with his MP40.]]

==Kar98k==
The [[Karabiner 98k|Kar98k]] are used by most German combat infantry. Kar98k users can defeat the M1 Garand riflemen at range, despite its low rate of fire and smaller amount of rounds in its stripper clip. However, at closer range, the M1 is superior.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:CoH-K98k.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German Volksgrenadiers attack an American-occupied building with Kar98ks.]]

==MG42==
The [[MG42]] are used in many of the bunkers in the D-Day campaign and mounted on many of the German tanks, motorbikes (the ones on the motorbikes and tanks have drum magazines), machine gun emplacements, halftracks and buildings. It is also the primary weapon for German machine gun crews and can added to grenadier squads as an upgrade. In the beginning cutscene of the D-Day mission, we see MG42s firing and mowing down troops in the same angle as the German gunners in [[Saving Private Ryan]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-SPR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner fires his MG42 at American troops.]]
[[Image:MG42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunker on Omaha Beach with 2 German gunners manning MG42s.]]
[[Image:MG42bipod-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gunner carrying his MG42 with a tripod.]]
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-bike-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner mans an MG42 mounted on a motorbike.]]
[[Image:MG42Tiger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner mans an MG42 with a drum magazine mounted on a Tiger Ace (later replaced by a King Tiger in later patches).]]

==MG34==
The [[MG34]] can be seen mounted in the hull and coaxial positions of Wehrmacht tanks. Although an [[MG42]] is seen on the pintle mount, in reality it should also be an MG34.
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with front and rear sights folded down.]]
[[Image:PanzerIV-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Panzer IV with a hull-mounted MG34.]]

==Gewehr 43 (scoped)==
The German snipers in the game use scoped [[Gewehr 43]]s. In the Opposing Fronts expansion, the Gewehr 43 is available as an upgrade to the arsenal of the German elite combat units and is only useful at long range.
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]
[[Image:Gewehrsniper-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]

==Flakvierling 38==
Used as the Panzer Lehr base defenses and in cut scenes. They are also the main weapon for the Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind.
[[Image:flak38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flak 38 in anti-air configuration - 20x138mmB.]]
[[Image:flak38-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 near some German guards.]]
[[Image:flak382-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 in-game being fired at British gliders.]]

==Panzerschreck==
Sturmtrooper squads and grenadier squads can be upgraded with [[Panzerschreck]]s to combat enemy vehicles if need to be. Allied troops can scavenge them from dead Germans and supply depots.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck rocket launcher 88mm]]
[[Image:Panzerschrek-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German Sturmtrooper with a Panzerschreck.]]

==Panzerfaust==
The [[Panzerfaust]] is a weapon that Sturmtrooper and Volksgrenadier squads (Knight's Cross Holders can obtain this ability through patches) can obtain through abilities. It allows the Sturmtrooper squad to fire a quick rocket at a vehicle when Panzerschrecks are unavailable.
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm warhead]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
The standard stick grenade of the German army, the [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]], is unlocked once you upgrade your HQ or you select the Blitzkrieg Doctrine.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

==Sturmgewehr 44==
German sturmtroopers and elite combat units are seen with [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s. Some units can also be upgraded with the StG44 and a few are seen on D-Day missions, which is anachronistic. The Sturmgewehr 44s weren't issued to the Wehrmacht until around June 13.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Sturmgun 44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Sturmgewehr 44s on the ground.]]
[[Image:Sturngun44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A large group of Knight's Cross Holders with Sturmgewehr 44s.]]

==Flammenwerfer 42==
The German pioneers can be upgraded with a [[Flammenwerfer 42]], similar to their American counterpart.
[[Image:Flammenwerfer41-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Flammenwerfer 35 flamethrower, similar to the Flammenwerfer 42.]]
[[Image:F42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German pioneer fires his Flammenwerfer 42 at U.S. soldiers.]]

==FK 36 Field Gun==
Makes an appearance in the single player campaigns used by German artillery crews. Can be built in multi player by the Wehrmacht defensive doctrine, where it is the most powerful anti tank weapon on the field. Strangely dealing even more damage than the longer barreled version of the gun, found in the Pzkpfw VI Tiger II aka King Tiger.
[[Image:fk38fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The FK 36 Field Gun - 88mm.]]
[[Image:fk38fg-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 36 field gun in the background in a cutscene.]]

==Misc==
===Goliath mobile bomb===
One of the features of Company of Heroes is the Goliath, a remote-controlled mobile bomb that can be signaled to detonate itself and is quite a useful tool in taking out enemy fortifications and units before they realize what it is. During World War 2, Germany built around 7,564 Goliaths, but few of them were used due to their lack of protection against anti-tank weapons as the armor only protects it from small arms fire, vulnerable command cables, high cost, slow speed, and quite weak ground clearance, but it did inspire future post-WWII remote-controlled technologies. The fact that it explodes when destroyed, also makes it a good tool against large infantry formations as if the soldiers aren't able to score a lucky hit with bazookas or recoiless rifles, they are most likely not be able to destroy it before it is in range.

[[Image:Goliath-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Goliath bomb on a mission to destroy an enemy fortification.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Real-Time strategy]]

Talk:Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-11T01:37:13Z

Pravda616: /* Company of Heroes: Online */

=Company of Heroes: Online=

I just added a little bit of information on a few things, mostly for multiplayer and especially for the spin-off Company of Heroes: Online, which is currently in open beta.

:Mostly good work, but an MG42 on a tank is still historically inaccurate so I'm just going to change it again. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

Talk:Jarhead (2005)

2010-10-11T01:24:35Z

Pravda616: /* Rock Galotti cameo? */

I'll try to buy this movie sometime this month to screencap it. I saw it one HBO at my uncle's house and I gotta screen it ASAP.
P.S. Thanks to the anonymous user who deleted my comment. -GM
:I GOT IT! Have it on this week. -GM
::I know this isn't terribly relevant for the purposes of this site, but...I thought this movie sucked. -MT2008
:I think it was okay at best. It was based on a true story so I give it the respect it deserves. It was originally a book written by Anthony Swofferd, who is the main character in the movie. I just finished screening the movie, I'll have it on soon. -GM
::Yeah, but in the hands of Sam Mendes (one of the most liberal directors working in Hollywood...no small feat!), it becomes essentially an anti-war, anti-military movie. Not that I'm saying you shouldn't screencap it (plenty of people I know, including some enlisted GIs, liked it), just saying that's how I felt. -MT2008
: I don't know about anti-military but I don't think I've ever seen a pro war movie. Some stuff has come up, I'll have to add the shots tommorow. -GM

::How's it look? Did I get everything right? I'm not a helicopter or tank pro so I may have goofed in that field. -GM
P.S. Thanks Orca for fixing the tank I.D.s. btw, what makes him using the M60E3 wrong? I don't think the M240 was issued yet and their are indeed two hatches for two gunners.
:::In this instance, the [[M60 machine gun]] would be erroneous as the Loader's hatch on the real Abrams is already fitted with an [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240]]. As I mentioned on GM's page, no versions of the Abrams have ever had an M60 installed on them, so the Loader having an M60E3 at the ready would be incorrect. I'm not trying to start any fights, just pointing out a goof in the film.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904
::ORCA, You're right. 240s were the guns next to the .50s on the top of the M1A1s. I never really thought about it since we used the M60 still in the 80s and early 90s, but I asked a Armored Div. buddy from the Gulf and he confirmed what you said. No fights here :) Arggh. Even my memory is fading!

==The tanks==

I must emphasize again that the fake Abrams tanks in this movie were built on Centurions, not Chieftains. Go to http://armytrucks.com/ and click on "Inventory" and you can see pictures of the company's fleet of fake "M1 Abrams". -MT2008
:Ahhhhhh yes, ever been there? ;) California sucks ass as a state, but we got a lot of cool stuff! ;) MPM2008
::I had changed it yesterday as soon as you said it. -GM
:::Yep, it was just the one under the Browning M2 entry that need fixin'. -MT2008

==M16A3==

This is definitely not an M16A3, as it does not have a removable carry handle. (unknown Author)

M16A3 is simply an M16A2 with Full Auto instead of Burst Fire, it is not a Full Auto M16A4. [[User:AdAstra2009]]

== Tape method ==

I have a stupid question. What's the tape method? - [[User:Shooter|Shooter]]
:Taping up the front of the scope (leaving a small opening so it isn't rendered useless) so the glass won't glint in the sun and you won't be countersniped-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks - [[User:Shooter|Shooter]]

== Rock Galotti cameo? ==

I know "Rock" Galotti worked on Jarhead, but is this him firing the M60E3?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:JHM60E3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Marine fires live rounds from an M60E3 over the heads of the Marines as they crawl under barbed-wire.]]

firing in the air
Isn't it kinda reckles since the bullets can fall down and kill someone

:Yeah but thats for really far away targets, they were what, 10 metres far way. dont think its gonna fall that close. --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

::- Sequences like those are often seen in war films - I'm fairly certain they actually do it in real training at times. However they do NOT actually do it with 'live' rounds though, for that very reason (among other lesser reasons). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

::: Really? because I remember this scene being mentioned in the audio commentary as being based on the actual training experiences of one of the Marine technical advisors. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-07T04:08:09Z

Pravda616: /* FK 36 Field Gun */

[[Image:CoH_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes (2006)]]
[[Image:CoH-of.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts (2007)]]
[[Image:CoH-ToV.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor (2009)]]
'''Note: Even though this is a real-time strategy game, guns can be seen during gameplay and in several cutscenes.'''

'''The following guns can be seen in the 2006 real-time strategy game and its standalone expansion packs ''Company of Heroes:'''''

=United States=

==M1A1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]] appears as the standard issue for American Rifle squad leaders (denoted by their radios) and airborne troopers as well as artillery gun crews, though M1A1 Carbines were commonly issued to U.S. paratroopers, gun crews and squad leaders would carry a regular M1 Carbine in real life.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:M1A1C-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of U.S. paratroopers with M1A1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:M1A1carbineclose-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the M1A1 Carbine as the paratrooper meets with other paratroopers.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is used by a few soldiers in cutscenes only, mainly Captain John MacKay and Sgt. Conti. The Thompson is an upgrade for American Ranger squads. It also appears in the tutorial in the hands of the starting rifle squad (this is the only time a rifleman is seen carrying a Thompson).
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Thompson-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain John MacKay with an M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Thompson1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Conti fires his M1A1 Thompson at German machine gun crews inside a bunker.]]
[[Image:Tommy-CoHOF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the tutorial riflemen squad with an M1A1 Thompson.]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
The American engineers in the game use [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]] as their primary weapon. The M3 "Grease Gun" is pretty weak due to the gun's short range, which makes it completely useless and leaves the engineers vulnerable.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:M3-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of engineers with M3 "Grease Guns."]]

==M1 Garand==
Many of the riflemen in the riflemen squads in the game use [[M1 Garand]]s. Note that a Riflemen will fire faster at a shorter range.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1Rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman stays in cover with his M1 Garand ready.]]
[[Image:M1rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 riflemen respond to an ambush with their M1 Garands.]]
[[Image:M1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A riflemen squad guarding their HQ with M1 Garands.]]

==Browning M2HB==
The American Sherman tanks and M8 Greyhound armored cars have mounted [[Browning M2|Browning M2HBs]]. The P-47s in the game are seen firing a possible aircraft version of the Browning M2, since that most planes were armed with that at that time. If you upgrade your halftracks, you will have an M3 halftrack with 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sherman with a mounted Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans a Browning M2HB mounted on a Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Browning M2 M51 Quad Mounted System.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.]]

==Browning M1917==
Despite being rarely issued to the U.S. Army during World War 2, the [[Browning M1917]] appears as the main weapon for American gun emplacements and machine gun crews.
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires his Browning M1917 at advancing German Panzer divisions.]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun emplacement with a Browning M1917.]]

==Browning M1919==
The jeeps in the game are armed with [[Browning M1919]]s. The Shermans in-game also have one mounted in their hull.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Browning M1919 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A jeep gunner fires his Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hull-mounted Browning M1919 in a Sherman tank.]]

==Browning M1918A2==
In the game, the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning M1918A2]] appears as an upgrade to the riflemen squad's loadout. The upgrade replaces some of the riflemen's standard-issued [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] and [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]]s with Browning M1918A2s. The Browning M1918A2 in-game causes more damage than the standard semi-automatic rifles, but its range is cut in half, making it only useful at short range.
[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BAR1918-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman looks around while armed with his Browning M1918A2.]]

==Mk II Grenade==
The riflemen and the airborne troops use [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s. Unlike most video games, they take longer to take out and explode since that the squad must go straight the target and throw the grenade.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoH-M2grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Mk II grenade on the ground before exploding.]]

==M2 Flamethrower==
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is available as an upgrade to the engineer's weapony, which gives an engineer an M2 Flamethrower. An interesting fact is that the M2 Flamethrower in-game has no front grip and the trigger is repositioned to the back grip.
[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:flamethrower-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An engineer with an M2 Flamethrower.]]

==M1903A4 Springfield==
U.S. Army snipers in-game use [[M1903 Springfield#1903A4 Springfield Sniper Rifle|M1903A4 Springfield]]s.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06.]]
[[Image:sniperman-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. sniper with an M1903A4 Springfield.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
[[M18 smoke grenade]]s are used by U.S. airborne troopers and several ground troops. The smoke grenades can be also modified to be fired by M2 Mortars, vehicles, and be thrown by ground troops.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|M18 smoke grenade]]
[[Image:M18-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunch of paratroopers with M18 smoke grenades attached to their vests (circled in red).]]

==M18 Recoiless Rifle==
Airborne troopers can be upgraded with [[M18 Recoilless Rifle]]s. The M18 Recoiless Rifle is anachronistic as the M18 was developed near the end of World War 2 and it wouldn't be ready that fast for the Normandy invasion.
[[Image:M18 Recoilless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18 Recoilless Rifle - 57mm]]
[[Image:M18RR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. airborne trooper with an M18 Recoiless Rifle.]]

==M1 Bazooka==
U.S. Rangers squads are always seen with one or two Ranger with an [[M1 Bazooka]]s (they can be picked up by other troops after the user is killed) and are inaccurately called "M9 Bazookas" in-game as the model in-game has an extra pistol grip and shoulder rest. The M1 Bazooka was replaced by the M1A1 Bazooka and the M9 and M9A1 Bazookas in 1944, making it inaccurate to be seen during the Normandy missions.
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoH-ranger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A ranger with an M1 Bazooka.]]

==M2 Mortar==
The [[M2 Mortar]]s are used by U.S. mortar teams and British mortar teams. The one in-game can also fire smoke rounds, which helps conceal movement and cover the retreat for Allied troops.
[[Image:M2Mortar60mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 60mm Mortar]]
[[Image:mortatUS-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. mortar team waiting for orders from the player to fire the M2 Mortar.]]

==Sticky Bombs==
U.S. infantry troops have throwable [[Sticky Bomb|sticky bomb]]s, a bomb capable of sticking onto objects. Actually based on the improvised [[Saving Private Ryan|Saving Private Ryan]] sticky bomb than the British No 74 ST Grenade.
[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Sticky Bomb]]

=United Kingdom=
==Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I==
Many of the British soldiers begin with [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I]]. Once the player gets enough munitions, one riflemen in the section can be upgraded to have a scoped [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I(T)]], or the entire section can be given access to rifle grenades.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. First placed in service with the British military in 1941.]]
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with a scope - .303 British]]
[[Image:britrifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British rifleman with a Lee Enfield.]]
[[Image:sniperBrit-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British sniper with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]

==Sten Mk. II==
The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] is the main weapon for the British Lieutenant ("Leftenant" in the British-English language), while the airborne commandos (Parachute Regiment troops, denoted by their maroon beret) use the suppressed [[Sten|Sten Mk. IIS]].
[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sten-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British Lieutenant with a Sten Mk. II.]]
[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Integrally suppressed Sten Mk IIS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Stencommando-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A squad of commandos firing their suppressed Sten Mk. IIs. Note the visibility of A.I. glitches here.]]

==Vickers machine gun==
The British machine gun emplacements, machine gun crews and Bren Carriers in the game are armed with [[Vickers|Vickers machine guns]].
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Vickers-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British machine gun emplacement with a Vickers machine gun.]]

==Bren light machine gun==
Bren carriers and infantry sections can carry [[Bren gun|Bren light machine guns]]. The Bren light machine gun is available as an upgrade to the armament of British Infantry and elite combat troops.
[[Image:Bren_mk2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk2 - .303 caliber]]

=Nazi Germany=
==Luger P08==
German artillary crewmen and officers carry [[Luger P08]]s as self defense against infantry. Strangely, the Luger does almost accurate one shot kills, no matter if the enemy is equipped with some automatic weapon.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Luger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German artillary crew member with a Luger P08.]]
[[Image:Luger2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German officer holding the Luger P08.]]

==MP40==
German Pioneer squads, Volksgrenadier squads as an upgrade and by the assistant in MG teams use [[MP40]]s. Unlike most World War 2 movies and video games, the MP40 is accurately shown held correctly with the folding stock extended.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with an MP40.]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another German soldier defends a machine gunner with his MP40.]]

==Kar98k==
The [[Karabiner 98k|Kar98k]] are used by most German combat infantry. Kar98k users can defeat the M1 Garand riflemen at range, despite its low rate of fire and smaller amount of rounds in its stripper clip. However, at closer range, the M1 is superior.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:CoH-K98k.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German Volksgrenadiers attack an American-occupied building with Kar98ks.]]

==MG42==
The [[MG42]] are used in many of the bunkers in the D-Day campaign and mounted on many of the German tanks, motorbikes (the ones on the motorbikes and tanks have drum magazines), machine gun emplacements, halftracks and buildings. It is also the primary weapon for German machine gun crews and can added to grenadier squads as an upgrade. In the beginning cutscene of the D-Day mission, we see MG42s firing and mowing down troops in the same angle as the German gunners in [[Saving Private Ryan]]. The use on tanks in inaccurate as all German tank machine guns were the [[MG34]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-SPR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner fires his MG42 at American troops.]]
[[Image:MG42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunker on Omaha Beach with 2 German gunners manning MG42s.]]
[[Image:MG42bipod-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gunner carrying his MG42 with a tripod.]]
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-bike-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner mans an MG42 mounted on a motorbike.]]
[[Image:MG42Tiger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner mans an MG42 with a drum magazine mounted on a Tiger Ace (later replaced by a King Tiger in later patches).]]

==Gewehr 43 (scoped)==
The German snipers in the game use scoped [[Gewehr 43]]s. In the Opposing Fronts expansion, the Gewehr 43 is available as an upgrade to the arsenal of the German elite combat units and is only useful at long range.
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]
[[Image:Gewehrsniper-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]

==Flakvierling 38==
Used as the Panzer Lehr base defenses and in cut scenes. They are also the main weapon for the Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind.
[[Image:flak38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flak 38 in anti-air configuration - 20x138mmB.]]
[[Image:flak38-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 near some German guards.]]
[[Image:flak382-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 in-game being fired at British gliders.]]

==Panzerschreck==
Sturmtrooper squads and grenadier squads can be upgraded with [[Panzerschreck]]s to combat enemy vehicles if need to be. Allied troops can scavenge them from dead Germans and supply depots.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck rocket launcher 88mm]]
[[Image:Panzerschrek-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German Sturmtrooper with a Panzerschreck.]]

==Panzerfaust==
The [[Panzerfaust]] is a weapon that Sturmtrooper and Volksgrenadier squads can obtain through abilities. It allows the Sturmtrooper squad to fire a quick rocket at a vehicle when Panzerschrecks are unavailable.
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm warhead]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
The standard stick grenade of the German army, the [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]], is unlocked once you upgrade your HQ or you select the Blitzkrieg Doctrine.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

==Sturmgewehr 44==
German sturmtroopers and elite combat units are seen with [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s. A few are seen on D-Day missions, which is anachronistic. The Sturmgewehr 44s weren't issued to the Wehrmacht until around June 13.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Sturmgun 44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Sturmgewehr 44s on the ground.]]
[[Image:Sturngun44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A large group of Knight's Cross Holders with Sturmgewehr 44s.]]

==Flammenwerfer 42==
The German pioneers can be upgraded with a [[Flammenwerfer 42]], similar to their American counterpart.
[[Image:Flammenwerfer41-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Flammenwerfer 35 flamethrower, similar to the Flammenwerfer 42.]]
[[Image:F42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German pioneer fires his Flammenwerfer 42 at U.S. soldiers.]]

==FK 36 Field Gun==
Makes an appearance in the single player campaigns used by German artillery crews. Can be built in multi player by the Wehrmacht defensive doctrine.
[[Image:fk38fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The FK 36 Field Gun - 88mm.]]
[[Image:fk38fg-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 36 field gun in the background in a cutscene.]]

==Misc==
===Goliath mobile bomb===
One of the features of Company of Heroes is the Goliath, a remote-controlled mobile bomb that can be signaled to detonate itself and is quite a useful tool in taking out enemy fortifications and units before they realize what it is. During World War 2, Germany built around 7,564 Goliaths, but few of them were used due to their lack of protection against anti-tank weapons as the armor only protects it from small arms fire, vulnerable command cables, high cost, slow speed, and quite weak ground clearance, but it did inspire future post-WWII remote-controlled technologies.
[[Image:Goliath-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Goliath bomb on a mission to destroy an enemy fortification.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Real-Time strategy]]

Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-07T04:02:54Z

Pravda616: /* Flak 38 */

[[Image:CoH_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes (2006)]]
[[Image:CoH-of.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts (2007)]]
[[Image:CoH-ToV.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor (2009)]]
'''Note: Even though this is a real-time strategy game, guns can be seen during gameplay and in several cutscenes.'''

'''The following guns can be seen in the 2006 real-time strategy game and its standalone expansion packs ''Company of Heroes:'''''

=United States=

==M1A1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]] appears as the standard issue for American Rifle squad leaders (denoted by their radios) and airborne troopers as well as artillery gun crews, though M1A1 Carbines were commonly issued to U.S. paratroopers, gun crews and squad leaders would carry a regular M1 Carbine in real life.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:M1A1C-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of U.S. paratroopers with M1A1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:M1A1carbineclose-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the M1A1 Carbine as the paratrooper meets with other paratroopers.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is used by a few soldiers in cutscenes only, mainly Captain John MacKay and Sgt. Conti. The Thompson is an upgrade for American Ranger squads. It also appears in the tutorial in the hands of the starting rifle squad (this is the only time a rifleman is seen carrying a Thompson).
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Thompson-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain John MacKay with an M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Thompson1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Conti fires his M1A1 Thompson at German machine gun crews inside a bunker.]]
[[Image:Tommy-CoHOF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the tutorial riflemen squad with an M1A1 Thompson.]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
The American engineers in the game use [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]] as their primary weapon. The M3 "Grease Gun" is pretty weak due to the gun's short range, which makes it completely useless and leaves the engineers vulnerable.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:M3-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of engineers with M3 "Grease Guns."]]

==M1 Garand==
Many of the riflemen in the riflemen squads in the game use [[M1 Garand]]s. Note that a Riflemen will fire faster at a shorter range.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1Rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman stays in cover with his M1 Garand ready.]]
[[Image:M1rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 riflemen respond to an ambush with their M1 Garands.]]
[[Image:M1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A riflemen squad guarding their HQ with M1 Garands.]]

==Browning M2HB==
The American Sherman tanks and M8 Greyhound armored cars have mounted [[Browning M2|Browning M2HBs]]. The P-47s in the game are seen firing a possible aircraft version of the Browning M2, since that most planes were armed with that at that time. If you upgrade your halftracks, you will have an M3 halftrack with 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sherman with a mounted Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans a Browning M2HB mounted on a Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Browning M2 M51 Quad Mounted System.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.]]

==Browning M1917==
Despite being rarely issued to the U.S. Army during World War 2, the [[Browning M1917]] appears as the main weapon for American gun emplacements and machine gun crews.
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires his Browning M1917 at advancing German Panzer divisions.]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun emplacement with a Browning M1917.]]

==Browning M1919==
The jeeps in the game are armed with [[Browning M1919]]s. The Shermans in-game also have one mounted in their hull.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Browning M1919 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A jeep gunner fires his Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hull-mounted Browning M1919 in a Sherman tank.]]

==Browning M1918A2==
In the game, the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning M1918A2]] appears as an upgrade to the riflemen squad's loadout. The upgrade replaces some of the riflemen's standard-issued [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] and [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]]s with Browning M1918A2s. The Browning M1918A2 in-game causes more damage than the standard semi-automatic rifles, but its range is cut in half, making it only useful at short range.
[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BAR1918-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman looks around while armed with his Browning M1918A2.]]

==Mk II Grenade==
The riflemen and the airborne troops use [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s. Unlike most video games, they take longer to take out and explode since that the squad must go straight the target and throw the grenade.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoH-M2grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Mk II grenade on the ground before exploding.]]

==M2 Flamethrower==
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is available as an upgrade to the engineer's weapony, which gives an engineer an M2 Flamethrower. An interesting fact is that the M2 Flamethrower in-game has no front grip and the trigger is repositioned to the back grip.
[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:flamethrower-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An engineer with an M2 Flamethrower.]]

==M1903A4 Springfield==
U.S. Army snipers in-game use [[M1903 Springfield#1903A4 Springfield Sniper Rifle|M1903A4 Springfield]]s.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06.]]
[[Image:sniperman-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. sniper with an M1903A4 Springfield.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
[[M18 smoke grenade]]s are used by U.S. airborne troopers and several ground troops. The smoke grenades can be also modified to be fired by M2 Mortars, vehicles, and be thrown by ground troops.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|M18 smoke grenade]]
[[Image:M18-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunch of paratroopers with M18 smoke grenades attached to their vests (circled in red).]]

==M18 Recoiless Rifle==
Airborne troopers can be upgraded with [[M18 Recoilless Rifle]]s. The M18 Recoiless Rifle is anachronistic as the M18 was developed near the end of World War 2 and it wouldn't be ready that fast for the Normandy invasion.
[[Image:M18 Recoilless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18 Recoilless Rifle - 57mm]]
[[Image:M18RR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. airborne trooper with an M18 Recoiless Rifle.]]

==M1 Bazooka==
U.S. Rangers squads are always seen with one or two Ranger with an [[M1 Bazooka]]s (they can be picked up by other troops after the user is killed) and are inaccurately called "M9 Bazookas" in-game as the model in-game has an extra pistol grip and shoulder rest. The M1 Bazooka was replaced by the M1A1 Bazooka and the M9 and M9A1 Bazookas in 1944, making it inaccurate to be seen during the Normandy missions.
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoH-ranger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A ranger with an M1 Bazooka.]]

==M2 Mortar==
The [[M2 Mortar]]s are used by U.S. mortar teams and British mortar teams. The one in-game can also fire smoke rounds, which helps conceal movement and cover the retreat for Allied troops.
[[Image:M2Mortar60mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 60mm Mortar]]
[[Image:mortatUS-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. mortar team waiting for orders from the player to fire the M2 Mortar.]]

==Sticky Bombs==
U.S. infantry troops have throwable [[Sticky Bomb|sticky bomb]]s, a bomb capable of sticking onto objects. Actually based on the improvised [[Saving Private Ryan|Saving Private Ryan]] sticky bomb than the British No 74 ST Grenade.
[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Sticky Bomb]]

=United Kingdom=
==Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I==
Many of the British soldiers begin with [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I]]. Once the player gets enough munitions, one riflemen in the section can be upgraded to have a scoped [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I(T)]], or the entire section can be given access to rifle grenades.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. First placed in service with the British military in 1941.]]
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with a scope - .303 British]]
[[Image:britrifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British rifleman with a Lee Enfield.]]
[[Image:sniperBrit-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British sniper with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]

==Sten Mk. II==
The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] is the main weapon for the British Lieutenant ("Leftenant" in the British-English language), while the airborne commandos (Parachute Regiment troops, denoted by their maroon beret) use the suppressed [[Sten|Sten Mk. IIS]].
[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sten-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British Lieutenant with a Sten Mk. II.]]
[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Integrally suppressed Sten Mk IIS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Stencommando-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A squad of commandos firing their suppressed Sten Mk. IIs. Note the visibility of A.I. glitches here.]]

==Vickers machine gun==
The British machine gun emplacements, machine gun crews and Bren Carriers in the game are armed with [[Vickers|Vickers machine guns]].
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Vickers-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British machine gun emplacement with a Vickers machine gun.]]

==Bren light machine gun==
Bren carriers and infantry sections can carry [[Bren gun|Bren light machine guns]]. The Bren light machine gun is available as an upgrade to the armament of British Infantry and elite combat troops.
[[Image:Bren_mk2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk2 - .303 caliber]]

=Nazi Germany=
==Luger P08==
German artillary crewmen and officers carry [[Luger P08]]s as self defense against infantry. Strangely, the Luger does almost accurate one shot kills, no matter if the enemy is equipped with some automatic weapon.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Luger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German artillary crew member with a Luger P08.]]
[[Image:Luger2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German officer holding the Luger P08.]]

==MP40==
German Pioneer squads, Volksgrenadier squads as an upgrade and by the assistant in MG teams use [[MP40]]s. Unlike most World War 2 movies and video games, the MP40 is accurately shown held correctly with the folding stock extended.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with an MP40.]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another German soldier defends a machine gunner with his MP40.]]

==Kar98k==
The [[Karabiner 98k|Kar98k]] are used by most German combat infantry. Kar98k users can defeat the M1 Garand riflemen at range, despite its low rate of fire and smaller amount of rounds in its stripper clip. However, at closer range, the M1 is superior.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:CoH-K98k.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German Volksgrenadiers attack an American-occupied building with Kar98ks.]]

==MG42==
The [[MG42]] are used in many of the bunkers in the D-Day campaign and mounted on many of the German tanks, motorbikes (the ones on the motorbikes and tanks have drum magazines), machine gun emplacements, halftracks and buildings. It is also the primary weapon for German machine gun crews and can added to grenadier squads as an upgrade. In the beginning cutscene of the D-Day mission, we see MG42s firing and mowing down troops in the same angle as the German gunners in [[Saving Private Ryan]]. The use on tanks in inaccurate as all German tank machine guns were the [[MG34]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-SPR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner fires his MG42 at American troops.]]
[[Image:MG42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunker on Omaha Beach with 2 German gunners manning MG42s.]]
[[Image:MG42bipod-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gunner carrying his MG42 with a tripod.]]
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-bike-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner mans an MG42 mounted on a motorbike.]]
[[Image:MG42Tiger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner mans an MG42 with a drum magazine mounted on a Tiger Ace (later replaced by a King Tiger in later patches).]]

==Gewehr 43 (scoped)==
The German snipers in the game use scoped [[Gewehr 43]]s. In the Opposing Fronts expansion, the Gewehr 43 is available as an upgrade to the arsenal of the German elite combat units and is only useful at long range.
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]
[[Image:Gewehrsniper-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]

==Flakvierling 38==
Used as the Panzer Lehr base defenses and in cut scenes. They are also the main weapon for the Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind.
[[Image:flak38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flak 38 in anti-air configuration - 20x138mmB.]]
[[Image:flak38-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 near some German guards.]]
[[Image:flak382-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 in-game being fired at British gliders.]]

==Panzerschreck==
Sturmtrooper squads and grenadier squads can be upgraded with [[Panzerschreck]]s to combat enemy vehicles if need to be. Allied troops can scavenge them from dead Germans and supply depots.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck rocket launcher 88mm]]
[[Image:Panzerschrek-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German Sturmtrooper with a Panzerschreck.]]

==Panzerfaust==
The [[Panzerfaust]] is a weapon that Sturmtrooper and Volksgrenadier squads can obtain through abilities. It allows the Sturmtrooper squad to fire a quick rocket at a vehicle when Panzerschrecks are unavailable.
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm warhead]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
The standard stick grenade of the German army, the [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]], is unlocked once you upgrade your HQ or you select the Blitzkrieg Doctrine.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

==Sturmgewehr 44==
German sturmtroopers and elite combat units are seen with [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s. A few are seen on D-Day missions, which is anachronistic. The Sturmgewehr 44s weren't issued to the Wehrmacht until around June 13.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Sturmgun 44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Sturmgewehr 44s on the ground.]]
[[Image:Sturngun44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A large group of Knight's Cross Holders with Sturmgewehr 44s.]]

==Flammenwerfer 42==
The German pioneers can be upgraded with a [[Flammenwerfer 42]], similar to their American counterpart.
[[Image:Flammenwerfer41-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Flammenwerfer 35 flamethrower, similar to the Flammenwerfer 42.]]
[[Image:F42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German pioneer fires his Flammenwerfer 42 at U.S. soldiers.]]

==FK 36 Field Gun==
In the single player campaigns and in some maps, the [[Flak 36 Field Gun]] makes an appearance and is mostly used by German artillary crews. Some are scattered all over some maps and can be used by anyone.
[[Image:fk38fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The FK 36 Field Gun - 88mm.]]
[[Image:fk38fg-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 36 field gun in the background in a cutscene.]]

==Misc==
===Goliath mobile bomb===
One of the features of Company of Heroes is the Goliath, a remote-controlled mobile bomb that can be signaled to detonate itself and is quite a useful tool in taking out enemy fortifications and units before they realize what it is. During World War 2, Germany built around 7,564 Goliaths, but few of them were used due to their lack of protection against anti-tank weapons as the armor only protects it from small arms fire, vulnerable command cables, high cost, slow speed, and quite weak ground clearance, but it did inspire future post-WWII remote-controlled technologies.
[[Image:Goliath-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Goliath bomb on a mission to destroy an enemy fortification.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Real-Time strategy]]

Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-07T03:58:02Z

Pravda616: /* MG42 */

[[Image:CoH_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes (2006)]]
[[Image:CoH-of.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts (2007)]]
[[Image:CoH-ToV.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor (2009)]]
'''Note: Even though this is a real-time strategy game, guns can be seen during gameplay and in several cutscenes.'''

'''The following guns can be seen in the 2006 real-time strategy game and its standalone expansion packs ''Company of Heroes:'''''

=United States=

==M1A1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]] appears as the standard issue for American Rifle squad leaders (denoted by their radios) and airborne troopers as well as artillery gun crews, though M1A1 Carbines were commonly issued to U.S. paratroopers, gun crews and squad leaders would carry a regular M1 Carbine in real life.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:M1A1C-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of U.S. paratroopers with M1A1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:M1A1carbineclose-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the M1A1 Carbine as the paratrooper meets with other paratroopers.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is used by a few soldiers in cutscenes only, mainly Captain John MacKay and Sgt. Conti. The Thompson is an upgrade for American Ranger squads. It also appears in the tutorial in the hands of the starting rifle squad (this is the only time a rifleman is seen carrying a Thompson).
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Thompson-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain John MacKay with an M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Thompson1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Conti fires his M1A1 Thompson at German machine gun crews inside a bunker.]]
[[Image:Tommy-CoHOF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the tutorial riflemen squad with an M1A1 Thompson.]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
The American engineers in the game use [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]] as their primary weapon. The M3 "Grease Gun" is pretty weak due to the gun's short range, which makes it completely useless and leaves the engineers vulnerable.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:M3-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of engineers with M3 "Grease Guns."]]

==M1 Garand==
Many of the riflemen in the riflemen squads in the game use [[M1 Garand]]s. Note that a Riflemen will fire faster at a shorter range.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1Rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman stays in cover with his M1 Garand ready.]]
[[Image:M1rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 riflemen respond to an ambush with their M1 Garands.]]
[[Image:M1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A riflemen squad guarding their HQ with M1 Garands.]]

==Browning M2HB==
The American Sherman tanks and M8 Greyhound armored cars have mounted [[Browning M2|Browning M2HBs]]. The P-47s in the game are seen firing a possible aircraft version of the Browning M2, since that most planes were armed with that at that time. If you upgrade your halftracks, you will have an M3 halftrack with 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sherman with a mounted Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans a Browning M2HB mounted on a Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Browning M2 M51 Quad Mounted System.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.]]

==Browning M1917==
Despite being rarely issued to the U.S. Army during World War 2, the [[Browning M1917]] appears as the main weapon for American gun emplacements and machine gun crews.
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires his Browning M1917 at advancing German Panzer divisions.]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun emplacement with a Browning M1917.]]

==Browning M1919==
The jeeps in the game are armed with [[Browning M1919]]s. The Shermans in-game also have one mounted in their hull.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Browning M1919 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A jeep gunner fires his Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hull-mounted Browning M1919 in a Sherman tank.]]

==Browning M1918A2==
In the game, the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning M1918A2]] appears as an upgrade to the riflemen squad's loadout. The upgrade replaces some of the riflemen's standard-issued [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] and [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]]s with Browning M1918A2s. The Browning M1918A2 in-game causes more damage than the standard semi-automatic rifles, but its range is cut in half, making it only useful at short range.
[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BAR1918-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman looks around while armed with his Browning M1918A2.]]

==Mk II Grenade==
The riflemen and the airborne troops use [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s. Unlike most video games, they take longer to take out and explode since that the squad must go straight the target and throw the grenade.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoH-M2grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Mk II grenade on the ground before exploding.]]

==M2 Flamethrower==
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is available as an upgrade to the engineer's weapony, which gives an engineer an M2 Flamethrower. An interesting fact is that the M2 Flamethrower in-game has no front grip and the trigger is repositioned to the back grip.
[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:flamethrower-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An engineer with an M2 Flamethrower.]]

==M1903A4 Springfield==
U.S. Army snipers in-game use [[M1903 Springfield#1903A4 Springfield Sniper Rifle|M1903A4 Springfield]]s.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06.]]
[[Image:sniperman-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. sniper with an M1903A4 Springfield.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
[[M18 smoke grenade]]s are used by U.S. airborne troopers and several ground troops. The smoke grenades can be also modified to be fired by M2 Mortars, vehicles, and be thrown by ground troops.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|M18 smoke grenade]]
[[Image:M18-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunch of paratroopers with M18 smoke grenades attached to their vests (circled in red).]]

==M18 Recoiless Rifle==
Airborne troopers can be upgraded with [[M18 Recoilless Rifle]]s. The M18 Recoiless Rifle is anachronistic as the M18 was developed near the end of World War 2 and it wouldn't be ready that fast for the Normandy invasion.
[[Image:M18 Recoilless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18 Recoilless Rifle - 57mm]]
[[Image:M18RR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. airborne trooper with an M18 Recoiless Rifle.]]

==M1 Bazooka==
U.S. Rangers squads are always seen with one or two Ranger with an [[M1 Bazooka]]s (they can be picked up by other troops after the user is killed) and are inaccurately called "M9 Bazookas" in-game as the model in-game has an extra pistol grip and shoulder rest. The M1 Bazooka was replaced by the M1A1 Bazooka and the M9 and M9A1 Bazookas in 1944, making it inaccurate to be seen during the Normandy missions.
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoH-ranger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A ranger with an M1 Bazooka.]]

==M2 Mortar==
The [[M2 Mortar]]s are used by U.S. mortar teams and British mortar teams. The one in-game can also fire smoke rounds, which helps conceal movement and cover the retreat for Allied troops.
[[Image:M2Mortar60mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 60mm Mortar]]
[[Image:mortatUS-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. mortar team waiting for orders from the player to fire the M2 Mortar.]]

==Sticky Bombs==
U.S. infantry troops have throwable [[Sticky Bomb|sticky bomb]]s, a bomb capable of sticking onto objects. Actually based on the improvised [[Saving Private Ryan|Saving Private Ryan]] sticky bomb than the British No 74 ST Grenade.
[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Sticky Bomb]]

=United Kingdom=
==Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I==
Many of the British soldiers begin with [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I]]. Once the player gets enough munitions, one riflemen in the section can be upgraded to have a scoped [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I(T)]], or the entire section can be given access to rifle grenades.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. First placed in service with the British military in 1941.]]
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with a scope - .303 British]]
[[Image:britrifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British rifleman with a Lee Enfield.]]
[[Image:sniperBrit-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British sniper with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]

==Sten Mk. II==
The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] is the main weapon for the British Lieutenant ("Leftenant" in the British-English language), while the airborne commandos (Parachute Regiment troops, denoted by their maroon beret) use the suppressed [[Sten|Sten Mk. IIS]].
[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sten-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British Lieutenant with a Sten Mk. II.]]
[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Integrally suppressed Sten Mk IIS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Stencommando-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A squad of commandos firing their suppressed Sten Mk. IIs. Note the visibility of A.I. glitches here.]]

==Vickers machine gun==
The British machine gun emplacements, machine gun crews and Bren Carriers in the game are armed with [[Vickers|Vickers machine guns]].
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Vickers-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British machine gun emplacement with a Vickers machine gun.]]

==Bren light machine gun==
Bren carriers and infantry sections can carry [[Bren gun|Bren light machine guns]]. The Bren light machine gun is available as an upgrade to the armament of British Infantry and elite combat troops.
[[Image:Bren_mk2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk2 - .303 caliber]]

=Nazi Germany=
==Luger P08==
German artillary crewmen and officers carry [[Luger P08]]s as self defense against infantry. Strangely, the Luger does almost accurate one shot kills, no matter if the enemy is equipped with some automatic weapon.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Luger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German artillary crew member with a Luger P08.]]
[[Image:Luger2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German officer holding the Luger P08.]]

==MP40==
German Pioneer squads, Volksgrenadier squads as an upgrade and by the assistant in MG teams use [[MP40]]s. Unlike most World War 2 movies and video games, the MP40 is accurately shown held correctly with the folding stock extended.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with an MP40.]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another German soldier defends a machine gunner with his MP40.]]

==Kar98k==
The [[Karabiner 98k|Kar98k]] are used by most German combat infantry. Kar98k users can defeat the M1 Garand riflemen at range, despite its low rate of fire and smaller amount of rounds in its stripper clip. However, at closer range, the M1 is superior.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:CoH-K98k.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German Volksgrenadiers attack an American-occupied building with Kar98ks.]]

==MG42==
The [[MG42]] are used in many of the bunkers in the D-Day campaign and mounted on many of the German tanks, motorbikes (the ones on the motorbikes and tanks have drum magazines), machine gun emplacements, halftracks and buildings. It is also the primary weapon for German machine gun crews and can added to grenadier squads as an upgrade. In the beginning cutscene of the D-Day mission, we see MG42s firing and mowing down troops in the same angle as the German gunners in [[Saving Private Ryan]]. The use on tanks in inaccurate as all German tank machine guns were the [[MG34]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-SPR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner fires his MG42 at American troops.]]
[[Image:MG42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunker on Omaha Beach with 2 German gunners manning MG42s.]]
[[Image:MG42bipod-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gunner carrying his MG42 with a tripod.]]
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-bike-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner mans an MG42 mounted on a motorbike.]]
[[Image:MG42Tiger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner mans an MG42 with a drum magazine mounted on a Tiger Ace (later replaced by a King Tiger in later patches).]]

==Gewehr 43 (scoped)==
The German snipers in the game use scoped [[Gewehr 43]]s. In the Opposing Fronts expansion, the Gewehr 43 is available as an upgrade to the arsenal of the German elite combat units and is only useful at long range.
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]
[[Image:Gewehrsniper-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]

==Flak 38==
The AA guns in Nazi bases and in cutscenes are actually German [[Flak 38]]s. They are also the main weapon for the Flakpanzer IV.
[[Image:flak38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flak 38 in anti-air configuration - 20x138mmB.]]
[[Image:flak38-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 near some German guards.]]
[[Image:flak382-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 in-game being fired at British gliders.]]

==Panzerschreck==
Sturmtrooper squads and grenadier squads can be upgraded with [[Panzerschreck]]s to combat enemy vehicles if need to be. Allied troops can scavenge them from dead Germans and supply depots.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck rocket launcher 88mm]]
[[Image:Panzerschrek-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German Sturmtrooper with a Panzerschreck.]]

==Panzerfaust==
The [[Panzerfaust]] is a weapon that Sturmtrooper and Volksgrenadier squads can obtain through abilities. It allows the Sturmtrooper squad to fire a quick rocket at a vehicle when Panzerschrecks are unavailable.
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm warhead]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
The standard stick grenade of the German army, the [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]], is unlocked once you upgrade your HQ or you select the Blitzkrieg Doctrine.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

==Sturmgewehr 44==
German sturmtroopers and elite combat units are seen with [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s. A few are seen on D-Day missions, which is anachronistic. The Sturmgewehr 44s weren't issued to the Wehrmacht until around June 13.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Sturmgun 44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Sturmgewehr 44s on the ground.]]
[[Image:Sturngun44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A large group of Knight's Cross Holders with Sturmgewehr 44s.]]

==Flammenwerfer 42==
The German pioneers can be upgraded with a [[Flammenwerfer 42]], similar to their American counterpart.
[[Image:Flammenwerfer41-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Flammenwerfer 35 flamethrower, similar to the Flammenwerfer 42.]]
[[Image:F42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German pioneer fires his Flammenwerfer 42 at U.S. soldiers.]]

==FK 36 Field Gun==
In the single player campaigns and in some maps, the [[Flak 36 Field Gun]] makes an appearance and is mostly used by German artillary crews. Some are scattered all over some maps and can be used by anyone.
[[Image:fk38fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The FK 36 Field Gun - 88mm.]]
[[Image:fk38fg-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 36 field gun in the background in a cutscene.]]

==Misc==
===Goliath mobile bomb===
One of the features of Company of Heroes is the Goliath, a remote-controlled mobile bomb that can be signaled to detonate itself and is quite a useful tool in taking out enemy fortifications and units before they realize what it is. During World War 2, Germany built around 7,564 Goliaths, but few of them were used due to their lack of protection against anti-tank weapons as the armor only protects it from small arms fire, vulnerable command cables, high cost, slow speed, and quite weak ground clearance, but it did inspire future post-WWII remote-controlled technologies.
[[Image:Goliath-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Goliath bomb on a mission to destroy an enemy fortification.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Real-Time strategy]]

Company of Heroes (2006)

2010-10-07T03:54:51Z

Pravda616: /* Sticky Bombs */

[[Image:CoH_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes (2006)]]
[[Image:CoH-of.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts (2007)]]
[[Image:CoH-ToV.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor (2009)]]
'''Note: Even though this is a real-time strategy game, guns can be seen during gameplay and in several cutscenes.'''

'''The following guns can be seen in the 2006 real-time strategy game and its standalone expansion packs ''Company of Heroes:'''''

=United States=

==M1A1 Carbine==
The [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]] appears as the standard issue for American Rifle squad leaders (denoted by their radios) and airborne troopers as well as artillery gun crews, though M1A1 Carbines were commonly issued to U.S. paratroopers, gun crews and squad leaders would carry a regular M1 Carbine in real life.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:M1A1C-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of U.S. paratroopers with M1A1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:M1A1carbineclose-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the M1A1 Carbine as the paratrooper meets with other paratroopers.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
The [[M1A1 Thompson]] is used by a few soldiers in cutscenes only, mainly Captain John MacKay and Sgt. Conti. The Thompson is an upgrade for American Ranger squads. It also appears in the tutorial in the hands of the starting rifle squad (this is the only time a rifleman is seen carrying a Thompson).
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Thompson-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain John MacKay with an M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Thompson1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Conti fires his M1A1 Thompson at German machine gun crews inside a bunker.]]
[[Image:Tommy-CoHOF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the tutorial riflemen squad with an M1A1 Thompson.]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
The American engineers in the game use [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]] as their primary weapon. The M3 "Grease Gun" is pretty weak due to the gun's short range, which makes it completely useless and leaves the engineers vulnerable.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:M3-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of engineers with M3 "Grease Guns."]]

==M1 Garand==
Many of the riflemen in the riflemen squads in the game use [[M1 Garand]]s. Note that a Riflemen will fire faster at a shorter range.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand - .30-06]]
[[Image:M1Rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman stays in cover with his M1 Garand ready.]]
[[Image:M1rifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 riflemen respond to an ambush with their M1 Garands.]]
[[Image:M1-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A riflemen squad guarding their HQ with M1 Garands.]]

==Browning M2HB==
The American Sherman tanks and M8 Greyhound armored cars have mounted [[Browning M2|Browning M2HBs]]. The P-47s in the game are seen firing a possible aircraft version of the Browning M2, since that most planes were armed with that at that time. If you upgrade your halftracks, you will have an M3 halftrack with 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sherman with a mounted Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans a Browning M2HB mounted on a Sherman tank.]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Browning M2 M51 Quad Mounted System.]]
[[Image:BM2-CoH3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. gunner mans 4 Browning M2s in quad mount.]]

==Browning M1917==
Despite being rarely issued to the U.S. Army during World War 2, the [[Browning M1917]] appears as the main weapon for American gun emplacements and machine gun crews.
[[Image:M1917A1_2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun .30-06 with tripod and ammo box‎]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner fires his Browning M1917 at advancing German Panzer divisions.]]
[[Image:M1917-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun emplacement with a Browning M1917.]]

==Browning M1919==
The jeeps in the game are armed with [[Browning M1919]]s. The Shermans in-game also have one mounted in their hull.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Browning M1919 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A jeep gunner fires his Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:M1919-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hull-mounted Browning M1919 in a Sherman tank.]]

==Browning M1918A2==
In the game, the [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning M1918A2]] appears as an upgrade to the riflemen squad's loadout. The upgrade replaces some of the riflemen's standard-issued [[M1 Garand|M1 Garands]] and [[M1 Carbine|M1A1 Carbine]]s with Browning M1918A2s. The Browning M1918A2 in-game causes more damage than the standard semi-automatic rifles, but its range is cut in half, making it only useful at short range.
[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BAR1918-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. rifleman looks around while armed with his Browning M1918A2.]]

==Mk II Grenade==
The riflemen and the airborne troops use [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s. Unlike most video games, they take longer to take out and explode since that the squad must go straight the target and throw the grenade.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CoH-M2grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Mk II grenade on the ground before exploding.]]

==M2 Flamethrower==
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is available as an upgrade to the engineer's weapony, which gives an engineer an M2 Flamethrower. An interesting fact is that the M2 Flamethrower in-game has no front grip and the trigger is repositioned to the back grip.
[[Image:M2 Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:flamethrower-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An engineer with an M2 Flamethrower.]]

==M1903A4 Springfield==
U.S. Army snipers in-game use [[M1903 Springfield#1903A4 Springfield Sniper Rifle|M1903A4 Springfield]]s.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06.]]
[[Image:sniperman-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. sniper with an M1903A4 Springfield.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
[[M18 smoke grenade]]s are used by U.S. airborne troopers and several ground troops. The smoke grenades can be also modified to be fired by M2 Mortars, vehicles, and be thrown by ground troops.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|M18 smoke grenade]]
[[Image:M18-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunch of paratroopers with M18 smoke grenades attached to their vests (circled in red).]]

==M18 Recoiless Rifle==
Airborne troopers can be upgraded with [[M18 Recoilless Rifle]]s. The M18 Recoiless Rifle is anachronistic as the M18 was developed near the end of World War 2 and it wouldn't be ready that fast for the Normandy invasion.
[[Image:M18 Recoilless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18 Recoilless Rifle - 57mm]]
[[Image:M18RR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. airborne trooper with an M18 Recoiless Rifle.]]

==M1 Bazooka==
U.S. Rangers squads are always seen with one or two Ranger with an [[M1 Bazooka]]s (they can be picked up by other troops after the user is killed) and are inaccurately called "M9 Bazookas" in-game as the model in-game has an extra pistol grip and shoulder rest. The M1 Bazooka was replaced by the M1A1 Bazooka and the M9 and M9A1 Bazookas in 1944, making it inaccurate to be seen during the Normandy missions.
[[Image:Bazookasmithsonian.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:CoH-ranger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A ranger with an M1 Bazooka.]]

==M2 Mortar==
The [[M2 Mortar]]s are used by U.S. mortar teams and British mortar teams. The one in-game can also fire smoke rounds, which helps conceal movement and cover the retreat for Allied troops.
[[Image:M2Mortar60mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 60mm Mortar]]
[[Image:mortatUS-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. mortar team waiting for orders from the player to fire the M2 Mortar.]]

==Sticky Bombs==
U.S. infantry troops have throwable [[Sticky Bomb|sticky bomb]]s, a bomb capable of sticking onto objects. Actually based on the improvised [[Saving Private Ryan|Saving Private Ryan]] sticky bomb than the British No 74 ST Grenade.
[[Image:Sticky72ii.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Sticky Bomb]]

=United Kingdom=
==Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I==
Many of the British soldiers begin with [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I]]. Once the player gets enough munitions, one riflemen in the section can be upgraded to have a scoped [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No.4 Mk. I(T)]], or the entire section can be given access to rifle grenades.
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. First placed in service with the British military in 1941.]]
[[Image:Smle4mk1t.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I(T) with a scope - .303 British]]
[[Image:britrifle-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British rifleman with a Lee Enfield.]]
[[Image:sniperBrit-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British sniper with a scoped Lee Enfield.]]

==Sten Mk. II==
The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] is the main weapon for the British Lieutenant ("Leftenant" in the British-English language), while the airborne commandos (Parachute Regiment troops, denoted by their maroon beret) use the suppressed [[Sten|Sten Mk. IIS]].
[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sten-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British Lieutenant with a Sten Mk. II.]]
[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Integrally suppressed Sten Mk IIS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Stencommando-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A squad of commandos firing their suppressed Sten Mk. IIs. Note the visibility of A.I. glitches here.]]

==Vickers machine gun==
The British machine gun emplacements, machine gun crews and Bren Carriers in the game are armed with [[Vickers|Vickers machine guns]].
[[Image:VickersMk1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Vickers Mk1 Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Vickers-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A British machine gun emplacement with a Vickers machine gun.]]

==Bren light machine gun==
Bren carriers and infantry sections can carry [[Bren gun|Bren light machine guns]]. The Bren light machine gun is available as an upgrade to the armament of British Infantry and elite combat troops.
[[Image:Bren_mk2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk2 - .303 caliber]]

=Nazi Germany=
==Luger P08==
German artillary crewmen and officers carry [[Luger P08]]s as self defense against infantry. Strangely, the Luger does almost accurate one shot kills, no matter if the enemy is equipped with some automatic weapon.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Luger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German artillary crew member with a Luger P08.]]
[[Image:Luger2-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German officer holding the Luger P08.]]

==MP40==
German Pioneer squads, Volksgrenadier squads as an upgrade and by the assistant in MG teams use [[MP40]]s. Unlike most World War 2 movies and video games, the MP40 is accurately shown held correctly with the folding stock extended.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier with an MP40.]]
[[Image:MP40-CoH2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another German soldier defends a machine gunner with his MP40.]]

==Kar98k==
The [[Karabiner 98k|Kar98k]] are used by most German combat infantry. Kar98k users can defeat the M1 Garand riflemen at range, despite its low rate of fire and smaller amount of rounds in its stripper clip. However, at closer range, the M1 is superior.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:CoH-K98k.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German Volksgrenadiers attack an American-occupied building with Kar98ks.]]

==MG42==
The [[MG42]] are used in many of the bunkers in the D-Day campaign and mounted on many of the German tanks, motorbikes (the ones on the motorbikes and tanks have drum magazines), machine gun emplacements, halftracks and buildings. It is also the primary weapon for German machine gun crews and can added to grenadier squads as an upgrade. In the beginning cutscene of the D-Day mission, we see MG42s firing and mowing down troops in the same angle as the German gunners in [[Saving Private Ryan]].
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-SPR-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner fires his MG42 at American troops.]]
[[Image:MG42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bunker on Omaha Beach with 2 German gunners manning MG42s.]]
[[Image:MG42bipod-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gunner carrying his MG42 with a tripod.]]
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:MG42-bike-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gunner mans an MG42 mounted on a motorbike.]]
[[Image:MG42Tiger-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German gunner mans an MG42 with a drum magazine mounted on a Tiger Ace (later replaced by a King Tiger in later patches).]]

==Gewehr 43 (scoped)==
The German snipers in the game use scoped [[Gewehr 43]]s. In the Opposing Fronts expansion, the Gewehr 43 is available as an upgrade to the arsenal of the German elite combat units and is only useful at long range.
[[Image:Gew_43.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 43 7.92x57mm Mauser with ZF 4 scope]]
[[Image:Gewehrsniper-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper with his scoped Gewehr 43.]]

==Flak 38==
The AA guns in Nazi bases and in cutscenes are actually German [[Flak 38]]s. They are also the main weapon for the Flakpanzer IV.
[[Image:flak38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flak 38 in anti-air configuration - 20x138mmB.]]
[[Image:flak38-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 near some German guards.]]
[[Image:flak382-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 38 in-game being fired at British gliders.]]

==Panzerschreck==
Sturmtrooper squads and grenadier squads can be upgraded with [[Panzerschreck]]s to combat enemy vehicles if need to be. Allied troops can scavenge them from dead Germans and supply depots.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck rocket launcher 88mm]]
[[Image:Panzerschrek-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German Sturmtrooper with a Panzerschreck.]]

==Panzerfaust==
The [[Panzerfaust]] is a weapon that Sturmtrooper and Volksgrenadier squads can obtain through abilities. It allows the Sturmtrooper squad to fire a quick rocket at a vehicle when Panzerschrecks are unavailable.
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust 44mm with 149mm warhead]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
The standard stick grenade of the German army, the [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]], is unlocked once you upgrade your HQ or you select the Blitzkrieg Doctrine.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

==Sturmgewehr 44==
German sturmtroopers and elite combat units are seen with [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s. A few are seen on D-Day missions, which is anachronistic. The Sturmgewehr 44s weren't issued to the Wehrmacht until around June 13.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Sturmgun 44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two Sturmgewehr 44s on the ground.]]
[[Image:Sturngun44-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A large group of Knight's Cross Holders with Sturmgewehr 44s.]]

==Flammenwerfer 42==
The German pioneers can be upgraded with a [[Flammenwerfer 42]], similar to their American counterpart.
[[Image:Flammenwerfer41-05.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Flammenwerfer 35 flamethrower, similar to the Flammenwerfer 42.]]
[[Image:F42-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German pioneer fires his Flammenwerfer 42 at U.S. soldiers.]]

==FK 36 Field Gun==
In the single player campaigns and in some maps, the [[Flak 36 Field Gun]] makes an appearance and is mostly used by German artillary crews. Some are scattered all over some maps and can be used by anyone.
[[Image:fk38fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The FK 36 Field Gun - 88mm.]]
[[Image:fk38fg-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Flak 36 field gun in the background in a cutscene.]]

==Misc==
===Goliath mobile bomb===
One of the features of Company of Heroes is the Goliath, a remote-controlled mobile bomb that can be signaled to detonate itself and is quite a useful tool in taking out enemy fortifications and units before they realize what it is. During World War 2, Germany built around 7,564 Goliaths, but few of them were used due to their lack of protection against anti-tank weapons as the armor only protects it from small arms fire, vulnerable command cables, high cost, slow speed, and quite weak ground clearance, but it did inspire future post-WWII remote-controlled technologies.
[[Image:Goliath-CoH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Goliath bomb on a mission to destroy an enemy fortification.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Real-Time strategy]]

Talk:Stargate SG-1

2010-09-28T04:41:21Z

Pravda616: /* Missing Guns */

Talk:Stargate SG-1

2010-09-27T03:32:31Z

Pravda616: /* Missing Guns */

Talk:Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

2010-09-15T04:33:56Z

Pravda616: /* SAW */

Someone changed my format of this page, made every pictures so small, you HAVE to click on them to see. What's with the bullet points? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

[[User:Mike4alba|Mike4alba]] took off the [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] Wallpaper of Sarah Connor holding a shotgun I don't know why but if you are replacing the image replace it when you are replacing the image it doesn't look good without a cover on this page. [[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1994]] 19:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== R.I.P. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles ==

You will be missed.

:I know, it's a shame. And with the new Terminator movie coming out, Fox is being a fool to cancel it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::When was Fox ever not a fool to begin with? I personally don't care too much because I stopped watching the show a while back. It had potentional though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Yeah, Fox is a buncha morons already, for canceling Firefly. It's like they hate good shows.-protoAuthor
::::I hate it when they leave a show in a cliffhanger. It's sad to hear that Fox decided to cancel another great show. But given, Fox's history, it's not really surprising. There were other great shows like ''Space: Above and Beyond'' and ''Futurama'' that got cancelled because Fox screwed around with the schedule too much and ruinned the rating themselves.

== Please add Weapons from the 'Future War' ==

Can somebody please add the weapons that are seen in all of the 'Future War' scenes that are featured in T:SCC, similar to how they are featured on the T1 & T2 pages. Thanks, Jefe-nator

== Colt 1911 ==

I think Carter (Brian Bloom) uses a Colt 1911 to kill his partners after they help him move the coltan into the bunker.

I don't see any pistols listed as used by Brian Bloom so even if i am wrong, someone hasn't listed the gun used.

Updated:

http://www.youtube.com/v/9t4eBmSzWAs
I got confused, his buddy Mike had the 1911.

http://www.youtube.com/v/9fl4ClB6dGE
Carter's actually looks like a Beretta 92FS.
Probably a Beretta M9 since he is dressed as US Army.

== SAW ==

Wasn't the rouge Terminator in season 1, episode 6, Dungeons & Dragons, using an M249? [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

: Also there was an M60 seen in the same episode. Actually this page should count as incomplete, what with some missing AK variants in 'Queen's Gambit', some miscellaneous shotguns in 'Mr Ferguson is Ill Today', plus some 1911 variants in 'Heavy Metal' and 'Earthlings Welcome Here'. Hmmmm.... Maybe I should learn to do this stuff myself? [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

==Moved from main page==
===Remington 870 with Extended Magazine and a Folding Stock===

Sarah Connor ([[Lena Headey]]) kept her [[Remington 870#Remington 870 Folding Stock|Remington 870 with Extended Magazine and a Folding Stock]] she picked up in [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] conceals it in a wall then a day later breaks it to take down Cromartie ([[Owain Weoman]]) but does not kill him and fleas to Los Angeles in '''Season 1 Episode 1: Pilot'''.

:('''Trivia:''' Sarah Connor time traveled 8 years into the future without any weapons, so how does she still have this gun after losing it fleeing to Los Angeles, CA?)
::I'd imagine that Remington made more than one 870 with a folding stock in an attempt to make a profit. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::I think what he means is you don't just buy or steal another exact same model of this shotgun. If this was the gun back in T2 you don't just get another one you keep it like a trophie for saving your sons life.
::::Gentlemen, don't read into this too much. It was probably used purely for fan nostalgia.

Talk:Stargate SG-1

2010-09-08T07:35:24Z

Pravda616: /* MP-7/P-90 Switcheroo */

Talk:Stargate SG-1

2010-09-08T05:03:47Z

Pravda616: /* MP-7/P-90 Switcheroo */

Talk:Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4

2010-09-02T04:03:29Z

Pravda616: /* Hmm... */

==Hmm...==
Didn't Sarah Michelle Gellar fire this in BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER? --[[Special:Contributions/24.193.1.9|24.193.1.9]] 23:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

-She sure did. In the middle of a shopping mall! Good thing nobody noticed, because I think they call out the national guard for things like that. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

Talk:Saab Bofors Dynamics AT4

2010-09-02T04:03:09Z

Pravda616: /* Hmm... */

==Hmm...==
Didn't Sarah Michelle Gellar fire this in BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER? --[[Special:Contributions/24.193.1.9|24.193.1.9]] 23:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
-She sure did. In the middle of a shopping mall! Good thing nobody noticed, because I think they call out the national guard for things like that. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

Talk:MG 42

2010-08-12T06:47:19Z

Pravda616: /* MG42 with Drum Magazine */

CETME Ameli (please note capitals as CETME is a abbreviation) Is not a minaturised MG42/MG3 it is in fact a SAW variant of the CETME 5.56mm rifles like the H&K 21/23 machine guns and works on delayed blowback not the short recoil of the MG42/MG3

- That is all entirely true as I've read. ''But,'' since it bears such an uncanny resemblance to the German MG guns, probably wouldn't hurt to leave it. That note should be posted on the page, though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

==MG42 with Drum Magazine==
I was able to get a picture of the MG42 with the drum magazine, the one that appears in some video games. Though I don't know if German units in World War 2 did have MG42 with drum magazines, I'm not sure if I should put this image onto the gun's page. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:mg42drummag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 with drum magazine - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
Yeah the MG42 retained the 50 round drum magazine from the MG34, but not the 75 round double drum. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

Bailey Chase

2010-08-12T06:27:18Z

Pravda616: /* Television */

{{Actor FTV Title|Bailey Chase}}
==Television==
* [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] as Jason Clark Battle in [[Criminal Minds]]
* [[Beretta 92FS]] as Jason Clark Battle in [[Criminal Minds]]
* [[Heckler & Koch G36]] as Graham Miller in Buffy the Vampire Slayer
[[Category:Actor]]
[[Category:Actor Male]]

Talk:Stargate: Atlantis

2010-07-30T06:33:06Z

Pravda616: /* Clip gag */

Another new project of mine. I am not going to post made up prop guns that in the series fire energy and aren't either real guns or dressed up.

== ronan's gun, power source ==

Hi, in your pictures from the studio it shows that the energy 'battery' on ronan's gun is rechargable. Your own comments say he must have an 'unlimited supply' of these clips. Surely if its rechargable he only needs a handful of clips and some way to charge them?

Its not a clip! MAGAZINE Jesus...

:Technically it's not a clip or a mag. It's more like a power cell since it's an energy weapon and as the title states, it's a power source. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

There is the thought that he might have a limited supply or they might be rechargable but it's less likely that he has a limited supply since on Season 4 Episode "Travellers" one of the guards has a weapon of the same type a Sheperd states, "My friend has one of these. I always wondered where he got it from", leaving us with the fact that it might obviously be rechargable.

== Clip gag ==

In the first episode of season 2 McKay tries to fire his Beretta, but when he pulls the trigger the clip falls out! While it's a hilarious visual gag, I'm pretty sure it is impossible because the clip can only be ejected intentionally. Can any one confirm this for me? [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
:If his finger was big enough and wrapped around the trigger fully he could press the release on accident, or if it had a left handed release the base of his finger could have hit it. But I think it's funny how at the top of this discussion is an argument about proper usage of clip vs. mag, and then you say clip in this post. gg sir. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

If it's a button release and you aren't careful, it is possible to accidentally press the release [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Hah! I couldn't help it, I like to call a pistol mag a clip. Is that really SO wrong? Anyway thanks for the pointers. I guess McKay being such a noob, he really could hit the release by accident. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

It's wrong as in it's an incorrect term. A very common mistake anyone not informed about guns say all the time. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:59, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Well thank you, now that I have been ''informed'', I'll never say it again. Happy? [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]

Talk:Stargate: Atlantis

2010-07-30T06:32:45Z

Pravda616: /* Clip gag */