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Talk:Monarch: Legacy of Monsters

2023-12-16T15:08:58Z

Iceman: /* Please help ID */

==Please help ID==
Please help ID this bolt action rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 17:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
[[File:MLOME01 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|.]]
:It's some sort of .22 bolt action, likely a single-shot. It looks like an FN Model 1912.
[[File:FN Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Although given this is supposed to be set in 1950s Kazakhstan, it could be a an era-appropriate (and more obscure) Soviet rifle. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 16:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I very much doubt it they would bother with having an era-appropriate rifle, seeing as this show is riddled with anachronisms, they literally wear a modern design gas mask in the same episode, its a czech mask that only started productions in the 1990s and the overall design itself is what like 1970s era, then the most recent episode they have the general wear a dress uniform that was adopted during the GWOT era in like 1960s, while Shaw wears what could be era appropriate dress greens but I'm not sure on that --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Soulcatcher

2023-12-07T19:28:56Z

Iceman: /* Honker */ new section

== Honker ==

Its most definitely in no way connected to the HMMWV, in fact Poland just uses US made HMMWV's the Honker is a whole separate vehichle --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 19:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Almost Paradise

2023-08-06T19:45:54Z

Iceman: /* Handguns */

== Shotguns ==

The shotgun at the left seems to be also Benelli, while shotgun at the right may be some Mossberg variant. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:09, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:They look like a couple of mocked up fakes, look at the ejection ports. Probably the one listed as a Benelli is a mock up as well. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 18:51, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
::One thing I'll say is any unidentified firearms show up here later on, they're likely locally made. Now the firearms manufacturers that come to mind are the likes of FERFRANS, Shooter Arms (They have an office in Cebu, where the show is shot at) and UDMC for the long guns. If not, then they're likely rubber stuff. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 03:36, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

== Handguns ==
The tan and black fancy handgun is a CZ P-09 but probably an ASG airsoft replica, since there would be no reason such a specific handgun would be used in a US series filmed in a foreign country --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 19:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Almost Paradise

2023-08-06T19:45:44Z

Iceman:

Talk:The Rookie - Season 5

2022-10-24T15:11:41Z

Iceman:

== "“will be no more ‘live’ weapons on the show" ==

Noted this already on main talk page for series, but noting here since the page exists now: In 2021 Executive Producer Alexi Hawley claimed there [https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/10/24/abc-cop-show-the-rookie-bans-real-guns-after-alec-baldwin-fatal-shooting/ "will be no more ‘live’ weapons on the show"]. Signs of this, or that this was quietly walked back, are something for editors working on this season to be on the lookout for. [[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 06:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

== Weapon lights ==

Some of the weapon lights this season are not surefires they have the characteristic silver ring of streamlights probably TLR-1s --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Sand Castle

2017-05-29T16:59:31Z

Iceman:

== Special Forces ==
So, I just finished watching the movie, and I think the ACOG-equipped carbines used by Henry Cavill's SF team are actually M727s as they lack thumbscrews to remove the carry handles. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:18, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:I haven't seen it but judging by the caps on the page I don't think so (at least not on the carbines shown here). They can't be seen ultra clearly, but if you look at the rifle held by the guy going up the stairs you can see the rail clamps on the right side. Also, I found [http://i.imgur.com/zOx6v5W.jpg this] production image where all of the carbines visible are M4s, either with carry handles fitted or with them detached and replaced with ACOGs. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:56, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

== Special Forces ==

There are unmodified M60's standing in for Abrams tanks, clearly reffered to as Abrams at the beggining of the movie --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:59, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Jack Reacher: Never Go Back

2016-11-05T22:57:05Z

Iceman:

== Please help ID ==

Please help with these weapons. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:42, 23 June 2016 (EDT)

[[File:JRNGO 212.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:JRNGO 205.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:JRNGO 204.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:JRNGO 220.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:JRNGO 216.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Well the dude in picture 2 and 3 is holding some glock variant.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:05, 23 June 2016 (EDT)

Cool, that rifle's got a BCM Gunfighter stock. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:49, 23 June 2016 (EDT)

:: Glock looks to be a desert tan post-3rd Gen G17 with extended barrel. The AR in the last two caps - maybe a PWS variant? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:03, 23 June 2016 (EDT)

:: Also I have observed that soldiers are seen holding unknown rifles fitted with optics (maybe M4s?), genuine M4 rifles and Beretta pistols in the 1:51 and 2:08 parts of the trailer respectively
:::The middle guy in the first pic has what looks like an AKS-74U/AKMSU judging my the mag, but the dust obscures it too much.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:31, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
::::What's that machine gun on the far left in the first pic? Looks like a M249 or variant of that model.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:46, 3 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::The SAW has already been added to the page.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:33, 3 July 2016 (EDT)

The Glock was modified to fire full auto by the way, I think its the same gun, when the operative encounters Reacher and the major for the first time in the restaurant and Reacher pins him to the wall, it shoot on full auto --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:57, 5 November 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Kong: Skull Island

2016-08-18T12:39:43Z

Iceman:

== 1911 ==
I don't think that's a 1911 sam jackson is using in that screenshot, looks more like a colt 1903 hammer --[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] ([[User talk:Toadvine|talk]]) 00:32, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

I think it looks like a Colt 1902 Model. [[http://66.media.tumblr.com/5d50c2b4441bdd1d723dc212a186573a/tumblr_mz22pyU8qP1s57vgxo2_1280.jpg]]--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 00:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Yeah I think you're right--[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] ([[User talk:Toadvine|talk]]) 01:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

==M16==
Granted it's a blurry shot, but it looks to have the three-prong flash hider which would make it more likely an M16/SP1. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:51, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

:Yeah, I saw one in the BTS footage too, but I think there was also a birdcage.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 02:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
:: To be fair the SP1 can have (and is indeed seen) with A1-style flash-hiders as well as 3 prong. We really need a shot of the receiver to positively confirm. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:21, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

== .50 ==

I call bullshit on Kong surviving barrages from a .50 cal, I get godzilla, he has scales and those are magnified what 100 times from like a gator, but Kong is just a huge ape, he has no protection, I hope they do something like Helos and planes can't fly on the island due to magnetic fields or some other cop out,so that Kong goes against only the main characters, that would be realistic,but a whole carrier a 60-70's era military would kill Kong in a few seconds.

Talk:Resident Evil: The Final Chapter

2016-08-11T17:36:36Z

Iceman: Created page with "There was also a three-barreled sawed-off, probably an easter egg to RE5 --~~~~"

There was also a three-barreled sawed-off, probably an easter egg to RE5 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:36, 11 August 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Point Break (2015)

2016-03-10T22:04:45Z

Iceman:

Just like [[Red Dawn (2012)]], another terrible remake of a Patrick Swayze film. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:42, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
:I have to give them credit, however, for finding an actor just as bad as Keanu Reeves to play Johnny Utah. It's amazing. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:55, 27 May 2015 (EDT)
::Oh yeah, it's gonna be all kinds of terrible. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2015 (GMT)
So they went from a bunch of surfer dudes who rob banks in suit jackets and President masks to a bunch of BASE jumpers dressed like a bunch of airsoft players and no Keanu? This is really gonna suck --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 16:12, 27 May 2015 (EST)

:::Adding insult to injury, the original film had a decent selection of guns for the time (it was one of the first movies to feature both the [[Freedom Arms Model 83]] and the [[SIG-Sauer P226]]). Whereas this movie doesn't look like it will have anything that hasn't already been in every action film ever made. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 18:37, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Agreed, and no Gary Busey, I mean I understand why there is no Swayze, but leaving out Crazy Gary seems like a reason alone to give this a miss. Although I am glad to see them using the Gen 4 Glock 17, don't see too much of them, it's almost always a Gen 3, even considering the Gen 4 has been out for 5 years now. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 23:58, 28 May 2015 (GMT)

:::::Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think that's a Gen 4; whoever made the page put the wrong pic. The weapon lacks the Gen 4 guide rod end, so I think it's another Gen 3. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 19:06, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

Security personnel use an MP7 during the mountain chase scene, which not surprisingly is quite ineffective against windshields, I mean car doors often stop 7.62 and you can hit a person with 9mm 5 meters under water in movie lala land. The original had a decent premise they robbed banks and disappeared before cops arrived, this has bunch of x-games rejects going up against armed security on dirt bikes and old 4x4's --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:04, 10 March 2016 (EST)

== (somewhat) New trailer ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJMRIQcGhY If anyone cares]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:49, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Talk:Fallout 4

2015-11-17T14:05:34Z

Iceman:

Once you upgrade the Combat Rifle with long barrel, .308 receiver, and full stock, it's pretty much a BAR. And the Hunting Rifle is probably based on a real rifle. as well. The Assault Rifle looks a bit like the Lewsi Gun, but I haven't got one yet.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:05, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Oh, yeah, there's a .44 revolver as well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:08, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::The revolver is similar to the S&W M29, which would make sense since they used that model in the previous games. The character in first person is always shown cooking the hammer between shots, but that isn't actually animated in third person.
::There's something i wonder btw, in the live action intro (which doesn't have Ron Pearlman narrating for some reason :() you can see a chinese soldier holding a rifle that kinda looks like a Galil, is that the case?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:10, 13 November 2015 (EST)

::Haven't gotten that far in the game myself, but yeah, the Galil looks like it has the folding bipod equipped (seen below), making it the Galil ARM. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:58, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Have the chinese ever used Galil's or is that a stand in for whatever weapon they were using in the 50's?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
[[Image:Fallout4Galil.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Chinese soldier holds a Galil ARM in the live-action intro.]]
:No the Chinese never used Galils, the Galil went into service with the Israelis in 1972, and the Chinese used Type 56 Carbines aka the Chinese SKS and the Type 56 Chinese AKs in the 50's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:57, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::Struck me as a bit odd for them to use that weapon in that intro. Then again, this is a game where you can have laser pistols so i guess i can gloss over it.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:07, 13 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe as a stand-in for the Type 81? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:20, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Type 81's came out in the 1980's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
You can't put real timeline on a Fallout game, they have a parallel history, where a lot of technology came early, and some of it more advanced than ours right now. Realistically the rifle is probably not meant to be a galil but just a generic rifle that in that universe is used by them, they just chose the Galil because it would be relatively unknown to gamers and it looks like a bad guy gun. AK on the other hand would be known by most --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 09:04, 17 November 2015 (EST)

::Oh, and I just saw a Walther PPK (or a PPK/S) on a loading screen today. Haven't seen one in the game yet, though. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::It would('ve) be nice to have one of those in the game. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2015 (EST)

The Combat Rifle looks like a PPSh-41 but with a small mag and apparently chambered in. 45 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
: Looks a bit like the BAR with the long barrel, full stock, and .308 receiver--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:22, 16 November 2015 (EST).

== Pipe weapons: Total fiction? ==

Anyone who has played this game has probably come across one of the many pipe weapons in game, weapons that have been crudely built from (as you might have guessed) pipes, sticks and other junk. What i wonder is if these types of weapons even would work in real-life.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:30, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:I know you can build a zip gun using pipes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:43, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::To some extent, yes, it is entirely possible to make working firearms out of scrap materials but of course they always have inherent flaws. I doubt you'd be able to make 'em like anything in Fallout 4 but I know that many third world militia's and criminal elements in the world sometime make use of home-made firearms ranging from revolvers and pistols to sub-machine guns and rifles all made out of pipes and scrap metal. While I wouldn't believe that the design of the Pipe Pistol (and its upgrades from pistol to rifle) could work, the most realistic "home-made" weapon I've found thus far appears to be the Pipe Revolver. It's chambered in .45 caliber and is single action only. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:21, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Well, there are some guns like the Sten that are specifically designed to be made with as little specialised tooling as possible, too. Though I do like the pipe-FG42 you can build, that's suitably silly. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:35, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Weapons thus far ==

So my journey's into Fallout 4 and the vast number of weapons have made me try and find the most realistic looking ones so far the ones I have found are:
* .44 Revolver - Like someone above has said it resembles the S&W Model 29, however certain mods and even a unique version make it look very similar to some Dan Wesson PPC Revolvers.
* Walther PPK - Is a unique 10mm Pistol called the "Deliever", it has a permanatly affixed suppressor and uses 10mm
* Flare Gun - Appears to be based off the german Kampfpistole Z, works similar to the Radio in FNV, fire it in the air and it will summon allies to your position if they are nearby.
* Hunting Rifle - Appears to be based off the early Remington 700, a unique version called Reba II uses .50 caliber and a synthetic polymer stock and can also be modified into a pistol form
* Combat Rifle/Combat Shotgun - Both seem to use the same model, except the Combat Shotgun uses a different magazine. Initially it chambers the .45 Round, which made me think it was like supped up Reising SMG but can later be converted to .308 and function similar to a BAR.
* Double Barrel Shotgun - Mods really change this weapon, initially it appears as a short barrelled shotgun with a pistol grip but can feature sawn off barrels for increase spread (and better critical damage) or a full wooden stock and a long barrel for more concerntrated fire.
* Sniper Rifle - Haven't found one yet but it appears to be based on a Semi-Auto sniper platform.
[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:47, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::So far, the weapons that i've come across that's called sniper rifle was just the hunting rifle with a scope. The names of the weapons change depending on what mods they have.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::You can also get it to call your weapon a sniper rifle if you give a "pipe" weapon some combination of long barrel / marksman stock / scope. It seems to work out the name of the weapon a bit like Borderlands does, only it doesn't only give the weapon the highest-order prefix. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::Also having seen the model for the .44 revolver, the huge beefy barrel isn't really Dan Wesson, it's just a really weirdly re-proportioned vented rib barrel turned upside-down. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:48, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Remington VTR ==
If you upgrade the hunting rifle with the final stock and a certain barrel which makes the barrel into a triangular shape, it strongly resembles a VTR. Worth mentioning? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:40, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:Got a screenshot? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I can get one uploaded once I'm off work, I can also do some 1st person ones of the others as well. Also, could someone move the mural guns to a non-usable section? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::We don't normally do that, weapons are usually documented by type rather than if you can use them or not. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::: Alright, one last thing, the Assault Rifle in-game instantly reminded me of an MG-08 or something along those lines, even more so since it can take a drum mag. It also has a unique compensator that someone might be able to narrow it down. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 10:02, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::Haven't seen it yet, been too busy pratting around turning my pipegun into an FG42-thing :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:06, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Also, I think I have now seen that barrel you're talking about for the hunting rifle, it looks more like it's a squashed FAL handguard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:52, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::I checked it, it is a VTR based stock and triangular barrel. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:24, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::For Tim. http://i.imgur.com/ghSou9r.jpg [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:19, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::Huh, ok. Didn't look like it did that from the side. Guess I was figuring that from their propensity to make custom parts by randomly stretching and squashing things, like the MP7 bits on the rocket launcher. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Minor Edit ==
Just a quick edit to the page, but you can remove the Walther PPK aka The Deliverer' surpressor by going to the Weapons Workbench in-game. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:06, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:Didn't know that--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 06:49, 17 November 2015 (EST)

Talk:Fallout 4

2015-11-17T14:04:19Z

Iceman:

Once you upgrade the Combat Rifle with long barrel, .308 receiver, and full stock, it's pretty much a BAR. And the Hunting Rifle is probably based on a real rifle. as well. The Assault Rifle looks a bit like the Lewsi Gun, but I haven't got one yet.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:05, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Oh, yeah, there's a .44 revolver as well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:08, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::The revolver is similar to the S&W M29, which would make sense since they used that model in the previous games. The character in first person is always shown cooking the hammer between shots, but that isn't actually animated in third person.
::There's something i wonder btw, in the live action intro (which doesn't have Ron Pearlman narrating for some reason :() you can see a chinese soldier holding a rifle that kinda looks like a Galil, is that the case?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:10, 13 November 2015 (EST)

::Haven't gotten that far in the game myself, but yeah, the Galil looks like it has the folding bipod equipped (seen below), making it the Galil ARM. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:58, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Have the chinese ever used Galil's or is that a stand in for whatever weapon they were using in the 50's?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
[[Image:Fallout4Galil.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Chinese soldier holds a Galil ARM in the live-action intro.]]
:No the Chinese never used Galils, the Galil went into service with the Israelis in 1972, and the Chinese used Type 56 Carbines aka the Chinese SKS and the Type 56 Chinese AKs in the 50's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:57, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::Struck me as a bit odd for them to use that weapon in that intro. Then again, this is a game where you can have laser pistols so i guess i can gloss over it.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:07, 13 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe as a stand-in for the Type 81? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:20, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:Type 81's came out in the 1980's. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:25, 13 November 2015 (EST)
You can't put real timeline on a Fallout game, they have a parallel history, where a lot of technology came early, and some of it more advanced than ours right now. Realistically the rifle is probably not meant to be a galil but just a generic rifle that in that universe is used by them, they just chose the Galil because it would be relatively unknown to gamers and it looks like a bad guy gun --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 09:04, 17 November 2015 (EST)

::Oh, and I just saw a Walther PPK (or a PPK/S) on a loading screen today. Haven't seen one in the game yet, though. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::It would('ve) be nice to have one of those in the game. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2015 (EST)

The Combat Rifle looks like a PPSh-41 but with a small mag and apparently chambered in. 45 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:36, 15 November 2015 (EST)
: Looks a bit like the BAR with the long barrel, full stock, and .308 receiver--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:22, 16 November 2015 (EST).

== Pipe weapons: Total fiction? ==

Anyone who has played this game has probably come across one of the many pipe weapons in game, weapons that have been crudely built from (as you might have guessed) pipes, sticks and other junk. What i wonder is if these types of weapons even would work in real-life.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:30, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:I know you can build a zip gun using pipes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:43, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::To some extent, yes, it is entirely possible to make working firearms out of scrap materials but of course they always have inherent flaws. I doubt you'd be able to make 'em like anything in Fallout 4 but I know that many third world militia's and criminal elements in the world sometime make use of home-made firearms ranging from revolvers and pistols to sub-machine guns and rifles all made out of pipes and scrap metal. While I wouldn't believe that the design of the Pipe Pistol (and its upgrades from pistol to rifle) could work, the most realistic "home-made" weapon I've found thus far appears to be the Pipe Revolver. It's chambered in .45 caliber and is single action only. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:21, 13 November 2015 (EST)
:::Well, there are some guns like the Sten that are specifically designed to be made with as little specialised tooling as possible, too. Though I do like the pipe-FG42 you can build, that's suitably silly. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:35, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Weapons thus far ==

So my journey's into Fallout 4 and the vast number of weapons have made me try and find the most realistic looking ones so far the ones I have found are:
* .44 Revolver - Like someone above has said it resembles the S&W Model 29, however certain mods and even a unique version make it look very similar to some Dan Wesson PPC Revolvers.
* Walther PPK - Is a unique 10mm Pistol called the "Deliever", it has a permanatly affixed suppressor and uses 10mm
* Flare Gun - Appears to be based off the german Kampfpistole Z, works similar to the Radio in FNV, fire it in the air and it will summon allies to your position if they are nearby.
* Hunting Rifle - Appears to be based off the early Remington 700, a unique version called Reba II uses .50 caliber and a synthetic polymer stock and can also be modified into a pistol form
* Combat Rifle/Combat Shotgun - Both seem to use the same model, except the Combat Shotgun uses a different magazine. Initially it chambers the .45 Round, which made me think it was like supped up Reising SMG but can later be converted to .308 and function similar to a BAR.
* Double Barrel Shotgun - Mods really change this weapon, initially it appears as a short barrelled shotgun with a pistol grip but can feature sawn off barrels for increase spread (and better critical damage) or a full wooden stock and a long barrel for more concerntrated fire.
* Sniper Rifle - Haven't found one yet but it appears to be based on a Semi-Auto sniper platform.
[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 17:47, 13 November 2015 (EST)
::So far, the weapons that i've come across that's called sniper rifle was just the hunting rifle with a scope. The names of the weapons change depending on what mods they have.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 07:32, 14 November 2015 (EST)
:::You can also get it to call your weapon a sniper rifle if you give a "pipe" weapon some combination of long barrel / marksman stock / scope. It seems to work out the name of the weapon a bit like Borderlands does, only it doesn't only give the weapon the highest-order prefix. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:38, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::Also having seen the model for the .44 revolver, the huge beefy barrel isn't really Dan Wesson, it's just a really weirdly re-proportioned vented rib barrel turned upside-down. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:48, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Remington VTR ==
If you upgrade the hunting rifle with the final stock and a certain barrel which makes the barrel into a triangular shape, it strongly resembles a VTR. Worth mentioning? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:40, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:Got a screenshot? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I can get one uploaded once I'm off work, I can also do some 1st person ones of the others as well. Also, could someone move the mural guns to a non-usable section? [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 09:46, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::We don't normally do that, weapons are usually documented by type rather than if you can use them or not. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:51, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::: Alright, one last thing, the Assault Rifle in-game instantly reminded me of an MG-08 or something along those lines, even more so since it can take a drum mag. It also has a unique compensator that someone might be able to narrow it down. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 10:02, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::Haven't seen it yet, been too busy pratting around turning my pipegun into an FG42-thing :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:06, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::Also, I think I have now seen that barrel you're talking about for the hunting rifle, it looks more like it's a squashed FAL handguard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:52, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::I checked it, it is a VTR based stock and triangular barrel. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:24, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::For Tim. http://i.imgur.com/ghSou9r.jpg [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:19, 15 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::Huh, ok. Didn't look like it did that from the side. Guess I was figuring that from their propensity to make custom parts by randomly stretching and squashing things, like the MP7 bits on the rocket launcher. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:41, 15 November 2015 (EST)

== Minor Edit ==
Just a quick edit to the page, but you can remove the Walther PPK aka The Deliverer' surpressor by going to the Weapons Workbench in-game. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:06, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:Didn't know that--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 06:49, 17 November 2015 (EST)

Wayward Pines - Season 1

2015-07-05T13:20:27Z

Iceman:

{{OnGoing}}
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|picture=Wayward-pines-poster.jpg
|caption=Season 1 Poster
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|channel = FOX
|genre = Thriller Drama Mystery
|creator = Blake Crouch
|dates=2015
|language=
|seasons = 1
|episodes =10
|character1=Secret Service Agent Ethan Burke
|actor1=[[Matt Dillon]]
|character2=Kate Hewson
|actor2=[[Carla Gugino]]
|character3=Dr. Jenkins
|actor3=[[Toby Jones]]
|character4=Harold Ballinger
|actor4=[[Reed Diamond]]
|character5=Beverly
|actor5=[[Juliette Lewis ]]
|character6=Sheriff Arnold Pope
|actor6=[[Terrence Howard ]]
}}

{{TV Title}}

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=

==Glock 19==
Sheriff Arnold Pope ([[Terrence Howard]]) can be seen with a holstered [[Glock 19]] in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-Glock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope with his Glock in his holster in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]

==Glock 17==
In "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04), Ethan Burke ([[Matt Dillon]]) is seen taking a [[Glock 17]] from the gun cabinet.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Glock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan is seen taking the Glock in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan is seen chambering the Glock in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]

== Beretta 92FS==
In "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04), Ethan Burke ([[Matt Dillon]]) is searching through the gun cabinet in the Sheriffs office a [[Beretta 92FS]] can be seen. Ethan is also seen pulling one when startled by an 'Abbie' in "The Truth" (S01E05) and "Choices" (S01E06). It appears the Beretta is his standard carry weapon as Sheriff of Wayward Pines as of "Betrayal" (S01E07) and is seen pulling it on a group of people trying to escape Wayward Pines.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Rack-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta is seen in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Beretta-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Beretta is seen on the table in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E05-Beretta-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan pulls his Beretta in "The Truth" (S01E05).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E06-Beretta-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan pulls his Beretta after being startled by an Abbie in "Choices" (S01E06).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E06-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan realises that the Abbie is caged and lowers his Beretta in "Choices" (S01E06).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E07-Beretta-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan holds his Beretta on Kate in "Betrayal" (S01E07).]]

==Walther P99AS==
In "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04), Ethan Burke ([[Matt Dillon]]) is searching through the gun cabinet in the Sheriffs office a [[Walther P99AS]] can be seen.
[[File:P99 AS 9mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P99AS (Anti Stress) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Rack-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Walther is seen in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]

=Revolvers=

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
Sheriff Arnold Pope ([[Terrence Howard]]) can be seen with, a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] in a crossdraw holster in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02), and is seen drawing it in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03), Ethan Burke ([[Matt Dillon]]) is also seen retrieving this revolver.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-Model-66.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 with 4" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E02-Shotgun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope with his Smith & Wesson Model 66 in his crossdraw holster in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-SandW-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better look at the S&W in Sheriff Pope's holster in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-SandW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope draws his S&W in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-SandW-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another angle of the above scene in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-SandW-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This angle gives a decent look at the S&W in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-SandW-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope aims his S&W at Ethan in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-SandW-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan retrieves the S&W from the ground in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
In "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02) Sheriff Arnold Pope ([[Terrence Howard]]) is seen holding, what appears to be, a [[Mossberg 500]] on Secret Service Agent Ethan Burke ([[Matt Dillon]]) on 2 separate occasions. Ethan Burke is seen taking this shotgun from the gun rack in the Sheriffs station in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04), which he is then seen using during the opening of "The Truth" (S01E05) to defend himself from an 'Abbie'.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 "Persuader" with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E02-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope holds his Mossberg on Ethan single handed in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E02-Shotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope continues to question Ethan armed with his Mossberg in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E02-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope holds his Mossberg on Ethan single handed while talking to some kids riding bikes in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E02-Shotgun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Pope pulls his Mossberg on Ethan after he breaks into a crime scene in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan is seen retrieving the Mossberg from the cabinet in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E04-Shotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan places the Mossberg on a ledge so he can hoist himself up in "One of Our Senior Realtors Has Chosen to Retire" (S01E04).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E05-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan fires his Mossberg at an 'Abbie' in "The Truth" (S01E05).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E05-Shotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan frantically fires his Mossberg to no avail in "The Truth" (S01E05).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E05-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan finally tags one of his targets in "The Truth" (S01E05).]]

=Assault Rifles=

==M4A1==
While climbing a tree in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02), Ethan sees a man who appears to be hunting with an M4A1 (hes shooting the aberrations who get too close to the city) . A guard is also seen pulling one on Ethan Burke in "The Truth" (S01E05).
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic, Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E02-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ethan sees the hunter from a distance in "Don't Discuss Your Life Before" (S01E02).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E05-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard stands ready with his M4A1 in "The Truth" (S01E05).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E05-M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard levels his M4A1 at Ethan in "The Truth" (S01E05).]]

== Mk 14 Mod 0/1 Enhanced Battle Rifle ==
Men searching for Ethan in in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03) can been seen carrying what appear to be [[M14 Rifle|Mk 14 Mod 0/1 Enhanced Battle Rifle]]s.
[[Image:M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR with a Harris bipod and RIS foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The men listen to their radio while searching for Ethan in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]
[[Image:WaywardPines-S01E03-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shot of one of the other men searching for Ethan in "Our Town, Our Law" (S01E03).]]

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Talk:Tropic Thunder

2015-03-02T21:41:37Z

Iceman:

==Concern about images==

I am a bit concerned here.

On the one hand, it's great that we have screenshots of guns from the movie. On the other, they're obviously from a bootleg of the movie (since "Tropic Thunder" has yet to be released on DVD or Blu Ray). I am worried that if some studio Politburo member happens to be looking for bootleggers to harass, they might come by this site and see our images. And we might get in trouble.

Thus, I am sorry to say that I think it would be best if we take the images down for now. Of course, I will not do without democratic consent from my fellow admins. What is your opinion? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

::Then we might as we get rid of the images for Pineapple Express. Cause that's full of photos I took from a bootleg download. And then what about my Unit page? A lot of the recent pics are from episode's I downloaded from mininova. Does it count since it's a TV show? Cause I got a lot of photos that I painstakingly took watching every episode again

:::I explained to you since I made that post that I don't care about ones that exist already. Also, no I'm not so concerned about "The Unit", because Unit episodes are available any time from iTunes. My issue with Pineapple Express is that it's ''obvious'' that it had to have come from a bootleg because the movie isn't out on DVD yet, whereas The Unit is available on iTunes and DVD. That's all I'm saying. Don't post screenshots of movies that ''haven't been released on DVD yet''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 06:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

::::And I won't from now on. -[[User:Excalibur01|Ex]]

:::::The images from the UNIT or any television show is not an issue. It's been released already via television. What's to keep someone from DVRing the show and screen capping from that? It's obviously NOT a bootleg if it's been on TV. But bootlegs from theatrical release films should be avoided. I only screencap upcoming movies from trailers or clips that have already been released to the general public. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

==DVD==
I just bought this on DVD and if its okay can I screencap it on wednesday? -GM

==How's it look==
Did it come out alright? I need help with that CAR-15, but other than that, it looks pretty good. -GM

==The military advisor was probably in on it.==
Given the nature of this movie, I'd fully expect that not only was the military advisor in on it, he may have actively encouraged it.

"What's that? You want safe ways to look like a jackass while firing a gun? Hmm...give me about fifteen minutes. And a couple of beers." --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 21:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

: I understand that the advisor for the actual film was probably letting them kid around, but in the film within the film, they could have seriously used an advisor. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 01:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Taken from the main page. ==

:It is? Isn't that just the name of a custom airsoft gun? The M4 variant with the 11.5 inch barrel is called the "M4 Commando" on Colt's LEO web site, but those have the receivers with detachable carry handles; these guns have A2 receivers. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, you have me with the A2 receivers, but the CQBR is real.

:::Yeah, you're right, it's a replacement upper receiver, and apparently one that the DoD has already adopted. Surprised I didn't know it was called that. But again, I don't think the gun in the movie is that. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==AKM==
There is false information about Hanio and AKMs. The AKM(from wikipedia) was invented in 1959 and was used in the Vietnam War.
:They weren't given to the NVA since at the time of the Vietnam War the AKM was a new rifle in the Soviet Arsenal. So they gave the left over AK-47s to the PAVN.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, the NVA started to receive the AKM in the late-60s, so some may have been used in the war. In the pictures of the Northern forces entering Saigon in 1975, the NVA troops were armed with AKMs. But they were definitely very rarely encountered in combat; the original milled-receiver AK-47s and Chinese Type 56s were the Kalashnikov variants used most heavily during the war. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:Do you have pictures of PAVN troops with AKMs?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:: I checked the list of weapons listed and the list tells me that they used [[AKM]]s and the AKMs were from Warsaw-pact contries and the Soviets. The Viet Cong also used leftovers from World War 2 such as the [[Arisaka Rifle#Arisaka Type 99|Arisaka Type 99]], the [[M1903 Springfield]], and the [[M1 Bazooka#M1A1 Bazooka(2.36 Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]]. The Viet Cong just didn't use AKMs that much due to massive productions of the [[AK-47]] and the [[Norinco Type 56]]. I think the movie incorrectly shows the Viet Cong heavily using AKMs. - [[User:Crysis|Crysis]] 17:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I can understand the Arisakas. But where would the Victor Charlie find M1903s? I don't think we sent Springfields to the french during Indochina.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
==AR-15==
The AR-15 was invented in 1958 so how is it inaccurate to have one in 1969? - [[Special:Contributions/98.234.121.159|98.234.121.159]] 01:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
*The AR-15 has 2 variants. The first one was used in the war while the second one was invented in the 1980s. - [[User:Crysis|Crysis]] 17:20, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Depends what Second variant you are talking about, Crysis. If you mean the CAR-15, then the only variant used in the Vietnam War was the XM177, those were heavilly used in the war by the US. The CAR-15 in the movie is an error though. It was only released to the public in 1973.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::The CAR-15 was never released by Colt to the public in any form that looked like the XM177 (i.e. they never released a version with a 'fake' flash/sound suppressor). The CAR-15 name was a marketing ploy for COlt to try to brand the AR line with the name COLT, but it didn't really stick and the U.S. Government only utilized the official Colt names, i.e. Model 609, 653, etc. They only released the SP1 sporter carbine which was a 16" barreled carbine version of the slab sided AR15 SP1 full length rifle in 1978. CAR-15/XM177 looking guns weren't available until third party manufacturers starting making them in the late 1970s/early 1980s after. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

==XM16E1==
By 1969 shouldn't the US be using M16A1's?
:Yes. However, the film they are making is one of those preachy war dramas. In other words, it's a shitty movie. The actors and director (Damian Cockburn) apparently know that.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:You have to understand this is a movie about a movie that parodies a lot of Nam war movies. So the weapons themselves, might most likely be bad continuity would fit in with the parody theme. It's just more funny that way [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==The Gold Cup==
:Are y'all sure? Because in the lower screenshot it shows a .45 with vertical slide serrations, and to my knowledge The GCNM has never come with vertical slide serrations, only slanted.[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] 03:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

== Taybacks revolver ==

Its briefly seen when he is up on the ridge looking down at the actors. Anyone have an ID? Looks like a Smith and Wesson.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Haha I was about to make a post about this. I agree with the Smith and Wesson ID, you see it again briefly when he goes down into the valley to look at Cockburn's remains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like it has a wood grips with a medallion inlay. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 00:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== ACOG ==

Was recently re-watching it and when they are watching the camp as Speedman is getting dunked in the water pit, Lazarus is seen watching it trough an ACOG sight, this is prior to them assaulting the camp and as they are in Vietnam era getup he shouldn't have the sight Sandusky uses what seems to be somewhat correct era bino's but Lazarus has an ACOG, its hanged on a cord around his neck. Just found it weird --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 16:41, 2 March 2015 (EST)

Talk:John Wick

2015-01-14T14:45:19Z

Iceman: /* Safehouse Snipers */

Is it just me or does it seem like this is the first appearance of the full sized version of the P30? --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 14:37, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

==Safehouse Snipers==
What kind of sniper rifles were used by the guards at the Safe House? They looked very familiar, sort of like an AR-15 style rifle. --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] ([[User talk:Swordfish941|talk]]) 17:51, 15 November 2014 (EST)

I could've sworn that Keanu uses a Desert Tactical Arms Stealth Recon Scout that he gets from one of them but I could be wrong.--[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder|talk]]) 18:42, 15 November 2014 (EST)

:I took a look at the gun, and that's exactly what it is. And I also recognized that some of Viggo's men had a PDW of some sort in the finally. --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] ([[User talk:Swordfish941|talk]]) 19:12, 15 November 2014 (EST)

Not PDW's I think, looked like more like glocks in Roni whatchamacallits --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 09:45, 14 January 2015 (EST)

== Real weapons? ==

Just watched the movie. Nice action. However, based on proximity of shots and on this spot, all (or most part) of the weapons from this movie are airsoft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-KA1CNz93M

:Although airsoft are sometimes used for non-firing scenes in movies, I doubt that "all" or even "most" of the guns in this movie are airsoft. Nobody makes an airsoft version of the P30L, for example (Umarex makes air replicas of the standard P30 with licensed trademarks, but they do not produce the long-barreled P30L, the particular variant that Keanu uses in this movie). Many of the other guns in the movie, such as the Kel-Tec KSG and Coharie Arms CA-415, also do not have airsoft equivalents at this time.

:Even though GBB pistols have been used for actors firing at other actors at close range, there are also ways to make real guns perform the same function. For example, Cinema Weaponry installed an electronic recoil system into a real Glock 19 for the scene in ''[[Terminator 3]]'' where Arnie is shot by Claire Danes from less than a foot away. Something similar was used in the "dodge this" scene of ''[[The Matrix]]'' when Carrie Anne-Moss shoots the Agent in the head with her Beretta 84F. Given the budget for ''[[John Wick]]'', I imagine that the armorers could have developed similar mechanisms. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 11:20, 30 November 2014 (EST)

:Thank you for the explanation, I put it wrong, blaming that all weapons were airsoft. It's clearly seen in the video, that guns actually do the reload cycle. It's definitely easier to use recoil mechanisms for the armorers.

User:Iceman

2014-07-06T22:18:48Z

Iceman: Blanked the page

Talk:Watch Dogs

2014-05-29T10:43:40Z

Iceman: /* Alternate Chicago is gun friendly */

==Alternate Chicago is gun friendly==

So apparently this game takes place in an alternate reality Chicago and according to the recent screen caps, there's a lot of guns in stores. It kinda gave me a chuckle when I heard there's a gun store in Chicago in this game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:55, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

Well I guess someone in the future finally realised real criminals don't buy guns in stores. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:51, 22 May 2013 (EDT)

I think they added them only to show that criminals buy guns in stores, I mean they have sort of underground dealers for everything else, they even have a car dealer and there is specific dialogue where the character is told would you want to shop at a car dealer, no, and then in like the same or next mission he goes in a gun store and has to buy a full auto 416 ,its specificaly a mission requirment,it doesn't even show up in the store before the mission + there are 2 grenade launchers you can buy there, I mean this is a game where all poker games are underground and the only visible gambling is one slot machine (I'm not counting the games where you only earn rewards not money) pretty much the only other stores that are legal stores are grocieries, pharmacies and pawn shops (if you count that)--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:43, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

=="Exposed" Trailer==

There's another trailer out, with some more firearms visible in it, including at least one large revolver. It also happens to be a pretty cool trailer. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] ([[User talk:Atypicaloracle|talk]]) 06:57, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Talk:SEAL Team 8: Behind Enemy Lines

2014-05-17T22:00:23Z

Iceman:

== M16 ==

I think that weird M16 with the somehow flattop but slickside upper is the exact same one that is used in [[Strike_Back_-_Season_3#Modified_AR-15_Sniper_Rifle|Season 3]] and [[Strike_Back_-_Season_4#Custom_AR-15_Marksman_Rifle|Season 4]] of ''[[Strike Back]]''. My theory is that it is a standard M16 or SP1 upper that has had the carrying handle machined off and a rail bolted on in its place, as this appears to be how the armourer who provided this weapon ([http://www.hirearms.com/ Hire Arms]) has created some of their "M4A1s" by modifying standard A2 style uppers. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:23, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

== Title ==

I think we may need to apply a common sense veto on the title and capitalize "SEAL". (Unless it's actually about trained seals.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:22, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

: I've moved the title, but IMDB doesn't capitilize it either. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:54, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
::We had to apply the common sense veto to ''[[Navy SEALs]]'' as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:03, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

== Patch ==

Is Tom Sizemore's character actually in the Air Force or is that ACC patch on the cover a massive goof? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:14, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

He's Navy, but part of some joint task force as he is in charge of American drone pilots as well. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 06:56, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

== M203 ==

What I found extremely weird is no one had a grenade launcher of any type, is there really a posibility to not have a grenadier on a team, since there were several points where it could be used. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 07:37, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

:Actually, there is one SEAL member (forgot his name) who does armed with an M203 attached to his M4A1. Same as the page creator (Ben41), I'm also working on the film by taking images and looking directly at the weapons featured in it for proper information. The page is still not done, thus there are many other weapons not mentioned yet. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] ([[User talk:RaNgeR|talk]]) 08:36, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

Must have missed it, but why not use it on the technical? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:00, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:SEAL Team 8: Behind Enemy Lines

2014-05-17T11:37:05Z

Iceman:

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-16T06:43:37Z

Iceman: /* Weapons seen */

==How many more times can they keep this up?==

The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping [http://www.newsweek.com/lithwick-how-jack-bauer-shaped-ustorture-policy-93159 12 times a day on average] just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually [http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/georgia-school-gunshots/ talking down a terrorist] (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) ''without'' resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

==Additional==
[[File:24liveanotherdayGlock17trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer fires a Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADGlock1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack with the Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADBauerHecklerGlock.jpg|thumb|none|602px| a split screen shows Bauer using a Heckler & Koch P30 in the left panel.]]
[[File:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|none|602px|USAF airmen carry the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]]

== British troops? ==

I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

[[File:24S9E01 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==Weapons seen==
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

It could be the same rifle shown by the armorer (also seen in the picture on the page)since its next to MP7 and if I remember he also said it was one of the weapons used by the CIA on the show I mean --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 02:41, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

== Lack of trigger discipline ==

Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

Cup and saucer is worse in my eyes, but its the problem with most shows/movies, there a few excelent ones strike back comes to mind, but we can't really complain that much they are actors, and trigger discipline ,proper grip and all else has to be learned ,most of them think they are badasses from having 2 hours of weapons hth training, look at interviews. OK Cruise has learned a lot during his movies and probably some others, but it has to be their effort or they have to have long training sesions like they did on SB with ex-SAS guys training them of set. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== SW99 ==

I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT).
: You're right, there's a safety on the slide. I changed it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

== BTS Carbine ==
It's clearly an M933 by the barrel length, so would anyone have any opposition to me moving it to its own category? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:14, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-16T06:41:38Z

Iceman: /* Weapons seen */

==How many more times can they keep this up?==

The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping [http://www.newsweek.com/lithwick-how-jack-bauer-shaped-ustorture-policy-93159 12 times a day on average] just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually [http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/georgia-school-gunshots/ talking down a terrorist] (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) ''without'' resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

==Additional==
[[File:24liveanotherdayGlock17trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer fires a Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADGlock1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack with the Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADBauerHecklerGlock.jpg|thumb|none|602px| a split screen shows Bauer using a Heckler & Koch P30 in the left panel.]]
[[File:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|none|602px|USAF airmen carry the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]]

== British troops? ==

I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

[[File:24S9E01 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==Weapons seen==
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

It could be the same rifle shown by the armorer (also seen in the picture on the page) --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 02:41, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

== Lack of trigger discipline ==

Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

Cup and saucer is worse in my eyes, but its the problem with most shows/movies, there a few excelent ones strike back comes to mind, but we can't really complain that much they are actors, and trigger discipline ,proper grip and all else has to be learned ,most of them think they are badasses from having 2 hours of weapons hth training, look at interviews. OK Cruise has learned a lot during his movies and probably some others, but it has to be their effort or they have to have long training sesions like they did on SB with ex-SAS guys training them of set. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== SW99 ==

I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT).
: You're right, there's a safety on the slide. I changed it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

== BTS Carbine ==
It's clearly an M933 by the barrel length, so would anyone have any opposition to me moving it to its own category? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:14, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-10T09:55:53Z

Iceman: /* Lack of trigger discipline */

==How many more times can they keep this up?==

The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping [http://www.newsweek.com/lithwick-how-jack-bauer-shaped-ustorture-policy-93159 12 times a day on average] just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually [http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/georgia-school-gunshots/ talking down a terrorist] (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) ''without'' resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

==Additional==
[[File:24liveanotherdayGlock17trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer fires a Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADGlock1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack with the Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADBauerHecklerGlock.jpg|thumb|none|602px| a split screen shows Bauer using a Heckler & Koch P30 in the left panel.]]
[[File:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|none|602px|USAF airmen carry the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]]

== British troops? ==

I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

[[File:24S9E01 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==Weapons seen==
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== Lack of trigger discipline ==

Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

Cup and saucer is worse in my eyes, but its the problem with most shows/movies, there a few excelent ones strike back comes to mind, but we can't really complain that much they are actors, and trigger discipline ,proper grip and all else has to be learned ,most of them think they are badasses from having 2 hours of weapons hth training, look at interviews. OK Cruise has learned a lot during his movies and probably some others, but it has to be their effort or they have to have long training sesions like they did on SB with ex-SAS guys training them of set. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== SW99 ==

I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT).
: You're right, there's a safety on the slide. I changed it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-10T09:55:36Z

Iceman: /* Weapons seen */

==How many more times can they keep this up?==

The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping [http://www.newsweek.com/lithwick-how-jack-bauer-shaped-ustorture-policy-93159 12 times a day on average] just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually [http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/georgia-school-gunshots/ talking down a terrorist] (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) ''without'' resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

==Additional==
[[File:24liveanotherdayGlock17trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer fires a Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADGlock1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack with the Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADBauerHecklerGlock.jpg|thumb|none|602px| a split screen shows Bauer using a Heckler & Koch P30 in the left panel.]]
[[File:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|none|602px|USAF airmen carry the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]]

== British troops? ==

I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

[[File:24S9E01 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==Weapons seen==
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== Lack of trigger discipline ==

Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

== SW99 ==

I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT).
: You're right, there's a safety on the slide. I changed it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-10T09:55:14Z

Iceman: /* Weapons seen */

==How many more times can they keep this up?==

The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping [http://www.newsweek.com/lithwick-how-jack-bauer-shaped-ustorture-policy-93159 12 times a day on average] just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually [http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/georgia-school-gunshots/ talking down a terrorist] (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) ''without'' resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

==Additional==
[[File:24liveanotherdayGlock17trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer fires a Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADGlock1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack with the Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADBauerHecklerGlock.jpg|thumb|none|602px| a split screen shows Bauer using a Heckler & Koch P30 in the left panel.]]
[[File:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|none|602px|USAF airmen carry the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]]

== British troops? ==

I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

[[File:24S9E01 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==Weapons seen==
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Cup and saucer is worse in my eyes, but its the problem with most shows/movies, there a few excelent ones strike back comes to mind, but we can't really complain that much they are actors, and trigger discipline ,proper grip and all else has to be learned ,most of them think they are badasses from having 2 hours of weapons hth training, look at interviews. OK Cruise has learned a lot during his movies and probably some others, but it has to be their effort or they have to have long training sesions like they did on SB with ex-SAS guys training them of set. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== Lack of trigger discipline ==

Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

== SW99 ==

I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT).
: You're right, there's a safety on the slide. I changed it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-08T09:22:42Z

Iceman: /* British troops? */

==How many more times can they keep this up?==

The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping [http://www.newsweek.com/lithwick-how-jack-bauer-shaped-ustorture-policy-93159 12 times a day on average] just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually [http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/georgia-school-gunshots/ talking down a terrorist] (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) ''without'' resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

:They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

==Additional==
[[File:24liveanotherdayGlock17trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer fires a Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADGlock1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack with the Glock 17 in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADBauerHecklerGlock.jpg|thumb|none|602px| a split screen shows Bauer using a Heckler & Koch P30 in the left panel.]]
[[File:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|none|602px|USAF airmen carry the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]]
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]]

== British troops? ==

I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

==Weapons seen==
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

== Lack of trigger discipline ==

Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:24: Live Another Day

2014-05-07T22:41:14Z

Iceman: /* British troops? */

Talk:Splinter Cell: Blacklist

2014-01-20T18:42:23Z

Iceman:

== "HK416" not HK416? ==
I'm pretty sure the so-called M416 in SC:B is not a HK416. It lacks four unique, identifying characteristics of the HK416; the raised top rail, the shape of the handguard, the gas block, and the nearly horizontal magwell bottom.

As far as I can tell, it's some other modern AR carbine with a 10" barrel that has been misnamed by the developers. Anyone else got any input?

[[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 14:51, 22 July 2012 (CDT)

I think what's got people automatically thinking it's a 416 is that front sight. I'll admit that's what did it for me when I saw the reveal trailer. Thought 'hmmm.....ditched the SC rifle for the 416' --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 21:05, 22 July 2012 (CDT)
:Are you telling that this is the first AR-15 you see in a game that has no gas block yet it can fire? BTW the selector has the HK416-style pictographs and let's not forget that these are pre-release images. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:56, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

@DeltaOne: Yeah, it looks like a HK front sight. A company named Troy Industries makes sights that look like those.

@Bozitojugg3rn4ut:
No, it's not a lack of ''a'' gas block, but that specific gas block. Also, there are other AR lowers with the HK-style pictographs. They are pre-release images, sure, but it's not a HK416 in those. If it's changed to a real HK416 in release, it's all good, but right now, it's incorrect to call it an HK416.
[[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 06:33, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

Well, it's listed as unknown now. Personally, I'm thinking its just a mangled LMT piston carbine, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:41, 13 December 2012 (EST)

:I've seen a very similar AR in another game:
:[[Image:BinaryDomain-ACR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:[[Image:BinaryDomain-ACR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Which I personally always had pegged as an ACR. The one in this game looks like that shifted about halfway back to being an AR15 with the AR charging handle and ejection port. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:55, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
Do we want to get rid of all those early CGI guns and images and see if the ingame HK416 matches up?[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])
:The actual in-game "416" is much closer to the real HK416. The only wrong feature is the slanted magazine well so I think it is okay to call it an HK416. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 11:04, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
::There ''are'' some pics of the HK416A5 that show it with a slanted magazine well, such as this one showing it in both "earth" colors as well as black [http://www.special-ops.pl/images/photos/24/97/__b_MS1_5844.jpg]. So the slanted magwell isn't necessarily wrong. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:31, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

== SC3000 ==
@Deltaone I'm glad that the SC3000 rifle got replaced. It was almost as annoying as the "hideous spawn of the devil" (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Far_Cry_Instincts:_Predator#.22Assault_Rifle.22) --[[User:Speo16|Speo16]] 06:45, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

:What indication is there at this point to say it's been replaced? A few screenshots of Sam holding different rifles only means the ability to pick up enemy weapons is being carried over from Conviction. Besides, the SC3000 is far, ''far'' from the worst fictional design I've ever seen. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:18, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

:yes but compared to sc2000k(im not sure i got that right) it is kinda bad, and in conviction pistols were basically the primaries
and rifles incl. sc3000 were useless. And me personally i think sc3000 feels like a downgrade than an upgrade--[[User:Speo16|Speo16]] 14:44, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

SC3000 was a garbage rifle. Always wound up using the M468 (REC7) instead. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:20, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

:You call it garbage, yet its performance in the game totally contradicts that. After putting a suppressor on the M468, accuracy and knockdown power seemed to drop drastically. This was where the SC3000 beat it out, as the addition of a suppressor didn't degrade its performance at all. If anything, accuracy in full-auto ''increased'' and bullet spread ''decreased'' with it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 16:23, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

== A Few BTS Images ==

[http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151107144159888&set=a.10151107143729888.437925.62688139887&type=1&permPage=1 Link]
Some interesting weapons there...

I would love to see the ARX-160 in the game tho. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 09:48, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

== MP7 vid ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YDMW_2gfDI8

This vid shows Fisher with an MP7 on his back.

== Film Adaptation ==

It is official, Tom "Bane" Hardy will play Fisher in the upcoming movie. Let's hope it will be better than Far Cry or Prince of Persia. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:35, 13 December 2012 (EST)
:I thought Prince of Persia was pretty good for a game adaptation [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:53, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, PoP was great. Sure there were some character substitutions and additions, the time traveling could have been a bit bigger a focus, and I admit Jake what's-his-name wouldn't have been my first choice for the Prince, but the basic plot from the game was there pretty much in its entirety. I also didn't think Far Cry was that bad either, but I haven't played the game to compare. Anyhow, I really liked Hardy as Bane, so I'm going to be optimistic about this news. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:16, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

== Any stealth options returning? ==
Any news on stealth options from previous games (knocking on walls to lure enemies, hiding bodies, throwing items to distract enemies, etc.) returning? Despite the lack of these features, I ''did'' enjoy Conviction and thought it played very well with the improved gunplay. They can make it action-oriented to appeal to the CoD crowd if they want, but I'd be happy enough as an old school SC fan with just the ''option'' to play stealthy if I wish. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:17, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

: Gameplay of the intro and 1st level is up on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vog0PVvnBKU
: There is luring guards, hiding bodies, dogs, less-lethal takedowns, hidden collectables, side missions, and stuff like that. So there is everything good from all the SC games except for one thing: ''Ironside''.
: Oh and there is also a mode that removes Mark & Execute and the see-tru-walls goggles. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 05:40, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

::Great! I'll be sure to pick this up in a couple months when I have the money. :D I just hope the SC3000 makes it into the game again, because despite peoples' complaints about it, I found it to be one of the most effective rifles in the game in terms of recoil and stopping power. No Ironside does stink, but having gameplay features I like trumps who's voicing who. One question remains, though: What color is Grim's hair this time around? lol [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:59, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

:::Grim's hair is red like in Conviction.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] ([[User talk:Kornflakes89|talk]]) 02:06, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

== tentative weapons list ==

The main fan wiki updated with all the weapons. They're fairly on-the-ball and the game is out so it's probably correct.

Handguns

■Five-seveN

■F40 (Amazon preorder only)

■USP.45

■PX4 Storm.45

■Makarov PM-B

■Desert Eagle

■SC-15 pistol

Assault Rifles

■HK416 (Amazon preorder only)

■AK-47

■SCAR-H

■FAMAS

■HK G36C

■Beretta ARX-160

■Goblin

■Honey Badger

■SC4000

■PFS-12

■SA-58 OSW

Sub-Machine Guns

■AKS-74U

■MP7A1

■Vector.45ACP (Best Buy preorder only)

■UMP-45

■CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1

■MAC-11

■SC-400S

■PP19

■MP5/10

■PP2000

Shotguns

■M1014 (Walmart preorder only)

■Saiga-12

■ACS-12

■SASG-12

■RMB-93

■SC-15 shotgun

Sniper Rifles

■VSS Sniper Rifle (Gamestop preorder only)

■SVU Dragunov

■SR-25

■Barrett 50.Cal [only available in Nairobi]

■SC-15 Sniper Rifle

■Cheytac Intervention

Recycling a bunch of Ghost Recon models it seems. Not sure what the SC SMG, shotgun, sniper and pistol will be.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 10:03, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

:Confirmed. This video shows all the weapons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLJU3iBF_Lk
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 15:35, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

== SC4000 ==

I miss the SC3000 but I also kinda like the new design of the 4000. And the 60 round mag is sweeeeet. The other prototype weapons are kinda ugly IMHO. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 13:06, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

:I'm the opposite, I like the other prototype weapons but think the SC4000 is one ugly son of a bitch.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] ([[User talk:Kornflakes89|talk]]) 03:27, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

== Minigun ==

I just noticed , the helo that comes to pick you up in Charlie's missions has a minigun mounted on each side, you can see it clearly if you aim at it with a scoped rifle, its sort of like a little bird --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:42, 20 January 2014 (EST)

Talk:Flame and Citron

2014-01-19T19:49:24Z

Iceman: /* Title */

The first image of the ZB26 appears to be a Bren gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:32, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx! And submachine gun?--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 05:15, 19 January 2014 (EST)

== Revolver ==

Can it be a [http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/NickStan/OP2.jpg Danish M1880 (or M1880/85) revolver]? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:25, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx, Greg!--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 06:24, 19 January 2014 (EST)

== SMG ==

Maybe a Suomi? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 05:26, 19 January 2014 (EST)
: I guess it's an M/41, a Danish copy of Suomi manufactured by Madsen and Hovea weapon factories. Sorry, I couldn't find any image of this weapon but it's general outlook is similar to Swedish Husqvarna M1944, only with Suomi-style drum magazine. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:34, 19 January 2014 (EST)
::While Swedish version of Suomi never used a drum magazine, I still think that the SMG on the last screenshot is a Danish M/41 while SMGs with different barrel shroud on previous screenshots are original Finnish-manufactured Suomi. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:21, 19 January 2014 (EST)

== Title ==

It should be Flame and Lemon or Lemons, depending on the meaning of the title, if you translate one then both should be translated. Most likely its Flames and Lemons. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (EST)
:''Flame and Citron'' is [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0920458/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt#akas an official title of USA release] so according to IMFDB rules the title of the page here must be the same. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:10, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Haven't seen the film, is the title related to names or surnames, I cheked the link it seems its the same in russian as well. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Talk:Flame and Citron

2014-01-19T18:56:32Z

Iceman: /* Title */

Talk:Flame and Citron

2014-01-19T18:53:41Z

Iceman:

The first image of the ZB26 appears to be a Bren gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:32, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx! And submachine gun?--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 05:15, 19 January 2014 (EST)

== Revolver ==

Can it be a [http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/NickStan/OP2.jpg Danish M1880 (or M1880/85) revolver]? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:25, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx, Greg!--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 06:24, 19 January 2014 (EST)

== SMG ==

Maybe a Suomi? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 05:26, 19 January 2014 (EST)
: I guess it's an M/41, a Danish copy of Suomi manufactured by Madsen and Hovea weapon factories. Sorry, I couldn't find any image of this weapon but it's general outlook is similar to Swedish Husqvarna M1944, only with Suomi-style drum magazine. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:34, 19 January 2014 (EST)
::While Swedish version of Suomi never used a drum magazine, I still think that the SMG on the last screenshot is a Danish M/41 while SMGs with different barrel shroud on previous screenshots are original Finnish-manufactured Suomi. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:21, 19 January 2014 (EST)

== Title ==

It should be Flame and Lemon or Lemons, depending on the meaning of the title, if you translate one then both should be translated. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Talk:Sherlock

2013-12-29T13:08:15Z

Iceman:

I think that small-caliber pistol is a Bernardelli model 60, can anyone confirm that? -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 17:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:The safety switch is different. It's not a [[Bernardelli Model 60|Model 60]].--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

::Well, I'm stuck could it be some sort of custom safety, because I searched far and wide for an Italian made handgun that looked like the pistol in the series and only the Bernardelli Model 60 en the MOD. USA look remotely like it. Maybe it's some Italian clone? -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 18:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:::The barrel and slide are also too short for it to be a Model 60. And I'm not sure what you mean by it being an "Italian Clone". An Italian clone of what? Bernardelli is already an Italian company. It might be either a fake gun or a really obscure model. Either way, we'll probably just have to hope that someone recognizes it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

: My guess is that it's a "non-gun". --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I found it, it's a blank firing 8mm Italian made Walther ppk: [http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Starter-Guns/Italian-Made-walther-ppk-gun-for-sale-gs17264.aspx] -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 16:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:Yahtzee! A "Bruni/BBM ME-8 Police". Good work. Apparently one is also used in [[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]].--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, it seems that what I lack in gun knowledge I make up in google skills :P -[[User:Deafmatch|Deafmatch]] 17:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I found a pic that was listed as free to distribute with citation, and added it to the PPK talk page. That way if it pops up again somewhere else we'll have a listing for it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it me or is Watsons Afghanistan flashbacks from Ross Kemp's documentary, or do all reporters there wear blue and carry a red backpack, cause our reporters always wear army vests and helmets, the few times they appear in front of the camera (although that is probably due to the fact that they can't afford to buy one themselves lol) ? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:08, 29 December 2013 (EST)--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:08, 29 December 2013 (EST)

== SIG Sauer P226 ==

That's not actually a stainless model, even though it is marked as stainless. To me it looks like a Tokyo Marui SIG Sauer P226 (airsoft pistol), that's how the Marui P226 is marked. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:58, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

== Hounds of the Baskerville ==

Did anybody catch the weapons the MPs are using, they have the pictograms of the HK series, maybe G36? --[[User:Robm89|Robm89]] 21:11, 18 January 2012 (DST)

:I'm going to be going through the 2nd season over the next week so that I can restore this page to proper formatting (you know, with actual screencaps instead of nothing but text). Just wait a bit.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 15:55, 18 January 2012 (CST)
::They used a mix of G36Cs and L85s (didn't catch the charging handle to know if A1 or A2), I seem to remember the gate guards had the G36s, wheras the ones on the rooftops had L85s. I think there are a few other new guns as well, such as the MP5s used by the armed police in ep 3. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:17, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:::I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I have to ask why do some many British TV shows incorporate the G36 and it's variants as an erroneous go-to gun for British military? HK weapons in general seem to be a lot more present on the British serials then L85s.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 14:42, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Because relatively cheap airsoft G36Cs are easier to come by. Particularly in a role where the gun is not going to be fired using an airsoft gun or replica is the norm due to the restrictive firearms laws in the UK. In terms of blank firing guns, SA80 weapons are relatively hard to come by owing to the fact that they are pretty much exclusively used by British armed forces meaning that there are not as many blank adapted weapons as for other more common firearms. As to why G36Cs are commonly used in British TV, I don't really know a concrete answer, but there are a few things to bear in mind. Firstly, it looks "cool". Secondly, it is a relatively practical firearm to film with as it is ambidextrous, short barrelled and has a folding stock. Thirdly, it is pretty recognizable to the British public (even if they can't name it) owing to the fact that it is one of the most common weapons carried by British armed police. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:53, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::Ah, thanks for clearing that out for me. Admittedly, G36C is an easily recognizable rifle and I imagine that is even more so for the British public. Not to mention the inherent 'brand value' of H&K products. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 07:47, 5 November 2012 (EST)

== "STI Edge" ==

I would just like to point out the alleged STI Edge is in fact yet another Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 4.3. The BBC seems to be using these a lot right now. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:18, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:...except it's a ''cigarette lighter''.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:45, 18 January 2012 (CST)
::I'm talking about the base prop.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:46, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Is the fact that it turns out to be a cigarette lighter a reference to [[Harry Brown]]? The movie was only one year before the first season of this TV series--the movie also features a gun used to smoke a drug that turns out to be nonfunctional when it's used in earnest, kind of like how the first episode features a nonfunctional gun that's actually used for smoking. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:53, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
:I seriously doubt it; novelty cigarette lighters designed to look like guns have been around for decades.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] ([[User talk:PistolJunkie|talk]]) 19:48, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== Glock shot in S02E03 ==

According to Youtube commentators, Sherlock re-sets the safety before pointing his stolen Glock at John's head. Can anyone confirm this? How do you re-set the safety on a Glock?--[[User:Crouchbk|Crouchbk]] ([[User talk:Crouchbk|talk]]) 20:49, 15 December 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Sherlocks2e3glock2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:Since when do Youtube commentators have ANYTHING useful to contribute to ANY discussion? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)
::Let me make this easy for you; if you have even the ''slightest'' idea how a Glock functions, '''''that claim makes no sense'''''.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] ([[User talk:PistolJunkie|talk]]) 21:03, 15 December 2013 (EST)
:::That's what I thought; there's no hammer, and no safety catch, just the secondary trigger inside the primary, correct?--[[User:Crouchbk|Crouchbk]] ([[User talk:Crouchbk|talk]]) 22:50, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-12-24T00:45:02Z

Iceman: /* Ramstein AFB */

== Uknown Rifle ==

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
:Only thing I could think of was, since they got picked up in California by the Army maybe they acquired some gear from them? "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 18:50, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

== Scott and Stonebridge's Gear ==

May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John

The clearest shot of that IWB holster is in S2E3 when Markunda removes Scott's Glock from it. There's some sort of logo or inscription on the metal clip, but I've never been able to make out what it says. They do look to be using the same ones this season, so here's hoping we get a nice close-up. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 23:42, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

:After a few minutes of sliding sliders, resizing, cropping and rotating a screencap of that scene, it looks to say "El Paso", and Google leads me to El Paso Leather (And El Paso Saddlery, but that is the wrong company, though they make nice looking holsters) which has the right logo. Unfortunately, they don't have an online catalog to find the specific model of holster.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:I did a few minutes on Google and found that El Paso Leather is now Nevada Gun Leather. Try www.nevadagunleather.com and see if the holster is there. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Nevada Gun Leather does have an IWB holster that looks to fit the bill. Checking around, it turns out that the holsters themselves are manufactured in South Africa, the frequent home base for filming the show. Link [http://nevadagunleather.com/IWB-Inside-waist-band-143.htm here]. Appreciate the help. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 08:27, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:This is why I love this site! "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:46, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

::Looks like Lt. Col Locke was carrying his Sig in a Blackhawk CQC paddle holster during episode 5. Nice to see his character finally "get some dust on his boots."--[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 03:50, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Speaking of the gear, does anybody know if the [[Media:Strike_Back_S04E03_033.jpg|necklace radio pressels]] they have our a real thing or if they are totally made up? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:07, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Induction loop earpieces are a real thing but I'm not sure what type Section 20 uses. Last episode, S04E03 gave the best look so far and the closest thing I've found to them have been a bluetooth system (http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/2013-01/21/134426046_Bluetooth_inductive_neckloop_with_mini_wireless_306_earpiece_kit_s.jpg) "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:51, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"
::I don't think they are induction loops, as they just hang on a chain like dogtags (there were a couple of good shots of them in episode 4). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:24, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the first real good shots where when Dalton pulled them out of the glove box. I'd be interested in knowing what the hell it is. [[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 22:15, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Here are a couple of caps of them:[[File:Strike Back S04E04 300.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:Strike Back S04E04 329.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
For anyone who may be interested, spotted a Leatherman MUT on Scott's chest rig in ep. 8. First time I've seen one of those onscreen, but an appropriate multitool nonetheless. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 02:15, 6 October 2013 (EDT)

== MP5s in S03E05 ==

I will upload caps for this tomorrow, but just wanted to say my god there were a lot of MP5 variants in that episode. So far I have spotted MP5A2s, MP5A3s, an MP5SD2, an MP5K PDW with a UMP stock, a regular MP5K and a couple of "Reverse Stretch" MP5Ks. I can't quite work out what some of the MP5s were at the airport at the end were though. They looked to be MP5A3s with Navy trigger packs and "F" stocks, however the magazine has me confused. It is straight, but it doesn't match anything I have seen before as it doesn't have the waffle texture of the old style mags (and is too long for a 20 round and too short for a 30), but is too short to be a regular .40 or 10mm mag:
[[File:Strike Back S04E05 314.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:42, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

: Is it possible that this is just the reverse stretch MP5K modified to resemble the MP5A3? They look the same except for the longer barrel and handguard. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:55, 22 November 2013 (EST)
::No, I don't think the reverse stretch is actually a "real" reverse stretch by the look of it, but rather a reverse stretch built from the same copy/mockup/whatever. There are better shots of these MP5s in the last episode, such as here:[[ File:Strike Back S04E10 163.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]]In this shot you can see that the weapon is slightly "cruder" in appearance than a real MP5, like that hollow tube cocking handle and the extra pins in the trigger group. Even the magazine has what appears to be a random bolt or pin going through the bottom of it. I almost wondered if they are another gun entirely that is inside an airsoft MP5 shell or something weird like that, as it is odd that the receiver of the weapon is dead on, yet it has weird differences that don't belong on a real MP5. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 21:08, 22 November 2013 (EST)

Anyway we can contact the armorer of the show and ask? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 01:07, 23 November 2013 (EST)

== P226 ==

Looks like every member of 20 is carrying a Sig P226 in Episode 5. [[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 00:16, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
:Actually the girls were carrying P225s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:23, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Speaking of that. In episode 6 when they were pinned by Skander, Mike actually cleared a jam on his gun and it went back into battery [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:49, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if it does go back into battery fully, I went through frame by frame and couldn't tell as it is too blurry. Later though it jams when he draws his SIG to try and stop the guy reaching for the mortar timer so he racks the slide but this time it definitely jams again, so they just CG in the muzzle flashes. Due to the way this is shot (long continuous takes with multiple cameras) you quite often see them clearing jams, but the P226s they use in this show seem to be a bit of a liability. I seem to remember that the BXP that Rebecca Levi used during the bank robbery kept jamming as well. I imagine that jams are not necessarily more common in this show, but you see them a lot more due to the actors just dealing with them and carrying on rather than them having to do separate takes and editing around it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:24, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

== Unknown weapon is S04E05 ==

This is the best shot I could get of this thing:[[File:Strike Back S04E05 198.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I think it might be a grenade launcher or possibly a compact shotgun but really have no clue. Any ideas? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:30, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
:I think this is the same gun in S04E06, being held by the officer to the right of the door at the top of the stairs:[[File:Strike Back S04E06 270.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I ''think'' its a shotgun, but not even sure about that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:35, 23 September 2013 (EDT)
Perhaps I can help with this...:[[File:SBS4E5REM_870.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Thanks, really appreciate that. Can you give me any more info on the gun, is it actually the screen used gun or just the same variant? I recognise all the attachments apart from the rail system, do you know what this is? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:56, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
Yes. exactly that was used in this scene. The rail is an Aimtech Warhammer Shotgun Mount.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:The shotgun is used by a bad guy in Episode 9, and you get a pretty good look at it. Also, they seem to have ditched the Vz58s for super-short M4 things (Noveske N4 Diplomat? But that's way too modern and Western.) and Martinez uses some weird G36-but-not thing.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:40, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
:: The mystery assault rifle has a G36-ish front and a SCAR-ish stock.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:49, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
::It was a [[CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1]] submachine gun. Haven't watched the episode yet, just flicked through to see what you were talking about. Will uplod caps tomorrow. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:40, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
:::ID'ing the short AR-15s is complicated by the fact that I think there are two different variants used by Scott and Stonebridge. For Stonebridge, based on how the handguard bolts to the front of the receiver with those three bolt each side, I'm going to say a Daniel Defence SBR with a Lite rail (previous model, not the current one that is listed on their site now). I couldn't really get that good a view of Scott's gun, but it appeared that there was a gap between the handguard and the receiver with a ring between them. I did tink originally it might be a Czech Luvo Arms gun, but the ring didn't look big enough. [[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:44, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

== unknown Handgun S02 ==

Is the unknown pistol in S02E08 the FEG R78?
[[File:Strikebackpd-pistol-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The pistol in Season 2]]
[[File:FEG R78.jpg|thumb|300px|none|FEG R78 - .32 ACP]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E05 211.jpg|thumb|600px|none|R78 in season 4]]
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 13:28, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

:Yes, it is. You can tell by the design of the takedown lever at the front of the trigger guard, will get a pic of the left side of the FEG to show it.
::Here is a pic of the left side, you can see that the lever matches:[[File:FEG R78 left.jpg|thumb|300px|none|FEG R78 - .32 ACP]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:20, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

== AK in episode 7 ==

Anybody know what this AK is? I think this was filmed in Hungary, but I don't recognize the muzzle brake:
[[File:Strike Back S04E07 030.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E07 031.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
I would guess they are milled as they have the wide front sight and the original gas block, but they aren't really seen properly. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:33, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
This is an AK-47...and a Flash-Hiding Compensator called: PWS Diablo.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]

== CSA Vz 58 in episode 8 ==

[[File:Vz 58 Bolt Carrier Jammed.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

Just something I noticed in Episode 8. This happened at about 20:29 in. Sgt. Richmond had stopped firing her weapon at this point. In the previous scene the bolt carrier was in battery, as well as after this scene, yet here it is jammed partially open. I guess this is just a technical goof? [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 23:53, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
:My guess is that this shot is from a different take to the before and after shots. In this take the gun probably jammed during firing hence probably why they didn't use it, but for whatever reason this shot was better from the "jam" take. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:32, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

== Unidentified Revolver in episode 6 ==

This is a Taurus M85.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:I don't think that's it. The ejector rod on the Taurus 85 has a full shroud. This does not. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:46, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
::There was a Taurus .38 snub that had an unshrouded ejector rob that I think was the pre-85 model, but this had a long front sight like the older Model 85s as opposed to this gun that has a short little front sight blade. [http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/38taurus/38taurus-027942.jpg Here] is a pic of what I am thinking of and what I was originally going to ID it as before I realised the front sight and the cylinder release didn't match. I suppose it ''could'' be one of the these with the front sight and the cylinder release ground down to be smaller, but this seems like a really odd modification to do to one of these. Or possibly there is a newer/older model of it that had these differenced, but I have never seen it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:57, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
:::How about whatever [http://www.zib-militaria.de/Taurus-Revolver-M80-deactivated this] is? I don't think it's actually a Taurus Model 80, I'm not finding any evidence the Taurus 80 was every made with a 2" barrel. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:53, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
::::A small modification had to be done on this one.(Your eyes like an eagle's.)--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:::::Is it a Model 80 rather than an 85 though? As it has a 6 round cylinder I assume it has to be an 80 right? Do you know what mods it has had, from the appearance I assume the barrel has been shortened and the sides of the cylinder release lever have been shaved off. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:03, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
::::::I can't tell if it's five or six shots from the images. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:39, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
:::::::It's a 6 shot. On a six shot the cylinder stop notches and the fluting are staggered, on a five shot (or any other odd number like the seven shot [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]s) the fluting and the notches lines up. In [[Media:Strike Back S04E06 247.jpg|this]] image you can see that they are staggered, meaning it is a 6 shot so therefore (I think) a Model 80. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:19, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
::::::::But that's the other thing, did Taurus ever make a Model 80 with a 2-in barrel? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:21, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

==New ARs in S4E09==

As of S4E09, it appears that Scott and Stonebridge are now carrying some type of short-barreled AR-type carbine as their main weapons on missions. Could anyone tell what type of weapon it was? My guess is that they were Mark 18 CQBRs with SOPMOD Block II accessories, but I couldn't tell for sure. Unlike the show's M4s, they don't seem to be mock-ups built by cutting off the carry handle on older-model rifles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 16:27, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

:I'm just about to upload caps of them, but they are a bit of a mishmash I think. The one used by Stonebridge has a Daniel Defense Lite rail, but the forward assist has a teardrop plunger which is incorrect for a stock DD gun. Scott's gun has a different rail system where there is a gap between the handguard and receiver rails. The lower markings of Scott's carbine are briefly visible, but the only part I could make out is that I think the last part of the manufacturer name is "DIVISION", but I can't thnik of a company with division. Anybody have any ideas? Neither of the rifles are seen particularly clearly though, as the first scene they are used in is a night scene, and the second is shot on a train so most of the camera angles are either directly in front of or behind the actors. Hopefully they will continue to use them in the next episode with some clearer shots. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:27, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

::On second thought, it looks like the rifles are supposed to be the [[PWS MK1 rifle series#MK107 "Diablo"|PWS MK107]], not the Mark 18, though I'm not sure they're the real deal (given the various "Franken" weapons we have seen on this show, I would imagine that the armorers at Hire Arms built the weapons from parts of other ARs that they already had in inventory).

::Also, not sure the teardrop forward assist says much, except that the armorers happened to have a shortage of the newer round type in inventory (if you have ever seen ''[[Generation Kill]]'', which was also done with Hire Arms weapons/handlers, the M4s on that mini-series all have the teardrop forward assist). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 21:42, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

:::One other thing I noticed: Stonebridge's weapon has the "bent" trigger guard seen on the MK107, while Scott's does not. Neither rifle has the correct type of rail system for PWS rifles, though. But I still think that right now, the best way that we could describe these weapons would be as "PWS MK107 "Diablo" (mock-ups)", since that's clearly what they're ''supposed'' to be. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 21:53, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

::::What I meant by the forward assist thing as that it indicates that it isn't an OTS complete Daniel Defence gun as they have a round forward assist, so is more likely a custom build. I don't think we can really say that they are meant to be Diablos, they look no more like those than they do like a lot of other rifles in this weight class, like a Noveske Diplomat or LWRD PSD. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:09, 15 October 2013 (EDT)

The Base is a Colt M16...and this has been built exactly for "Stonebridge" 's style and his personal expectation.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
[[File:20131014 171117 .jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Thanks again. If you have any other pictures of the guns used in this show please post them. Even if they are standard, unmodified guns, it is always great to have a shot of the actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:53, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
::You're welcome. It's possible, just time-dependent.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
I've got a couple of feelers out on the other AR with a couple of individuals very familiar with the platform. Hopefully they can go off of the screenshot of the lower and give an idea. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]])

== Berettas in S04E10 ==

Anyone have any idea about these guns that are used by US soldiers and then subsequently by some of the cleanskins:
[[File:Strike Back S04E10 070.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E10 077.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E10 176.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
It has a Beretta type open topped slide, slide safety, skeleton hammer and railed frame which looks like it might be polymer. I was originally going to call it a [[Beretta 90Two]], but then I realised that firstly it had a square trigger guard, but also that the frame design appears to be totally wrong. It looks too high going all the way up to the slide safety, and also lacks the external trigger bar that is on all the 92 variants. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Ramstein AFB ==
Randomly wondering, should there be vehicles marked "KFOR" there? Kosovo is a pretty lengthy drive from Germany. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:25, 23 October 2013 (EDT)

Some MP g-wagens over here have KFOR markings too,and did they actually film it in germany? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 19:44, 23 December 2013 (EST)

== Screen-used weapons ==
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Our Hungarian firm was responsible for all the weapons from fifth episode till the last so I can talk about this period.
So here are some screen-used gun...
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Mairead McKenna (Catherine Walker)
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Qaseem (Philip Arditti)
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Leonid (Mihai Arsene)
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--[[User:Hades|Hades]] 07 November 2013 (EDT)
:So Hades, did you deliberately measure your post to be exact 666 characters long, or was it just an awesome coincidence? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:31, 6 November 2013 (EST)
::No...Seems Universe has a sense of humour...:)--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:::Thanks for these, it is very much appreciated. Dou you happen to have any info about the AR-15 used by Michelle Lukes, as in is it a production rifle or a custom build? Also, do you know anything about the MP5 type SMGs that are used during the episodes shot in Hungary? I'm talking about [[Strike_Back_-_Season_4#Unknown_MP5_Variant|these ones]] with the straight mag, different cocking handle and the odd pin locations. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:07, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-12-24T00:44:02Z

Iceman: /* Ramstein AFB */

== Uknown Rifle ==

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
:Only thing I could think of was, since they got picked up in California by the Army maybe they acquired some gear from them? "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 18:50, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

== Scott and Stonebridge's Gear ==

May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John

The clearest shot of that IWB holster is in S2E3 when Markunda removes Scott's Glock from it. There's some sort of logo or inscription on the metal clip, but I've never been able to make out what it says. They do look to be using the same ones this season, so here's hoping we get a nice close-up. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 23:42, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

:After a few minutes of sliding sliders, resizing, cropping and rotating a screencap of that scene, it looks to say "El Paso", and Google leads me to El Paso Leather (And El Paso Saddlery, but that is the wrong company, though they make nice looking holsters) which has the right logo. Unfortunately, they don't have an online catalog to find the specific model of holster.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:I did a few minutes on Google and found that El Paso Leather is now Nevada Gun Leather. Try www.nevadagunleather.com and see if the holster is there. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Nevada Gun Leather does have an IWB holster that looks to fit the bill. Checking around, it turns out that the holsters themselves are manufactured in South Africa, the frequent home base for filming the show. Link [http://nevadagunleather.com/IWB-Inside-waist-band-143.htm here]. Appreciate the help. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 08:27, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:This is why I love this site! "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:46, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

::Looks like Lt. Col Locke was carrying his Sig in a Blackhawk CQC paddle holster during episode 5. Nice to see his character finally "get some dust on his boots."--[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 03:50, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Speaking of the gear, does anybody know if the [[Media:Strike_Back_S04E03_033.jpg|necklace radio pressels]] they have our a real thing or if they are totally made up? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:07, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Induction loop earpieces are a real thing but I'm not sure what type Section 20 uses. Last episode, S04E03 gave the best look so far and the closest thing I've found to them have been a bluetooth system (http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/2013-01/21/134426046_Bluetooth_inductive_neckloop_with_mini_wireless_306_earpiece_kit_s.jpg) "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:51, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"
::I don't think they are induction loops, as they just hang on a chain like dogtags (there were a couple of good shots of them in episode 4). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:24, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the first real good shots where when Dalton pulled them out of the glove box. I'd be interested in knowing what the hell it is. [[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 22:15, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Here are a couple of caps of them:[[File:Strike Back S04E04 300.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:Strike Back S04E04 329.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
For anyone who may be interested, spotted a Leatherman MUT on Scott's chest rig in ep. 8. First time I've seen one of those onscreen, but an appropriate multitool nonetheless. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 02:15, 6 October 2013 (EDT)

== MP5s in S03E05 ==

I will upload caps for this tomorrow, but just wanted to say my god there were a lot of MP5 variants in that episode. So far I have spotted MP5A2s, MP5A3s, an MP5SD2, an MP5K PDW with a UMP stock, a regular MP5K and a couple of "Reverse Stretch" MP5Ks. I can't quite work out what some of the MP5s were at the airport at the end were though. They looked to be MP5A3s with Navy trigger packs and "F" stocks, however the magazine has me confused. It is straight, but it doesn't match anything I have seen before as it doesn't have the waffle texture of the old style mags (and is too long for a 20 round and too short for a 30), but is too short to be a regular .40 or 10mm mag:
[[File:Strike Back S04E05 314.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:42, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

: Is it possible that this is just the reverse stretch MP5K modified to resemble the MP5A3? They look the same except for the longer barrel and handguard. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:55, 22 November 2013 (EST)
::No, I don't think the reverse stretch is actually a "real" reverse stretch by the look of it, but rather a reverse stretch built from the same copy/mockup/whatever. There are better shots of these MP5s in the last episode, such as here:[[ File:Strike Back S04E10 163.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]]In this shot you can see that the weapon is slightly "cruder" in appearance than a real MP5, like that hollow tube cocking handle and the extra pins in the trigger group. Even the magazine has what appears to be a random bolt or pin going through the bottom of it. I almost wondered if they are another gun entirely that is inside an airsoft MP5 shell or something weird like that, as it is odd that the receiver of the weapon is dead on, yet it has weird differences that don't belong on a real MP5. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 21:08, 22 November 2013 (EST)

Anyway we can contact the armorer of the show and ask? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 01:07, 23 November 2013 (EST)

== P226 ==

Looks like every member of 20 is carrying a Sig P226 in Episode 5. [[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 00:16, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
:Actually the girls were carrying P225s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:23, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Speaking of that. In episode 6 when they were pinned by Skander, Mike actually cleared a jam on his gun and it went back into battery [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:49, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if it does go back into battery fully, I went through frame by frame and couldn't tell as it is too blurry. Later though it jams when he draws his SIG to try and stop the guy reaching for the mortar timer so he racks the slide but this time it definitely jams again, so they just CG in the muzzle flashes. Due to the way this is shot (long continuous takes with multiple cameras) you quite often see them clearing jams, but the P226s they use in this show seem to be a bit of a liability. I seem to remember that the BXP that Rebecca Levi used during the bank robbery kept jamming as well. I imagine that jams are not necessarily more common in this show, but you see them a lot more due to the actors just dealing with them and carrying on rather than them having to do separate takes and editing around it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:24, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

== Unknown weapon is S04E05 ==

This is the best shot I could get of this thing:[[File:Strike Back S04E05 198.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I think it might be a grenade launcher or possibly a compact shotgun but really have no clue. Any ideas? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:30, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
:I think this is the same gun in S04E06, being held by the officer to the right of the door at the top of the stairs:[[File:Strike Back S04E06 270.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I ''think'' its a shotgun, but not even sure about that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:35, 23 September 2013 (EDT)
Perhaps I can help with this...:[[File:SBS4E5REM_870.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Thanks, really appreciate that. Can you give me any more info on the gun, is it actually the screen used gun or just the same variant? I recognise all the attachments apart from the rail system, do you know what this is? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:56, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
Yes. exactly that was used in this scene. The rail is an Aimtech Warhammer Shotgun Mount.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:The shotgun is used by a bad guy in Episode 9, and you get a pretty good look at it. Also, they seem to have ditched the Vz58s for super-short M4 things (Noveske N4 Diplomat? But that's way too modern and Western.) and Martinez uses some weird G36-but-not thing.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:40, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
:: The mystery assault rifle has a G36-ish front and a SCAR-ish stock.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:49, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
::It was a [[CZ SCORPION EVO 3 A1]] submachine gun. Haven't watched the episode yet, just flicked through to see what you were talking about. Will uplod caps tomorrow. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:40, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
:::ID'ing the short AR-15s is complicated by the fact that I think there are two different variants used by Scott and Stonebridge. For Stonebridge, based on how the handguard bolts to the front of the receiver with those three bolt each side, I'm going to say a Daniel Defence SBR with a Lite rail (previous model, not the current one that is listed on their site now). I couldn't really get that good a view of Scott's gun, but it appeared that there was a gap between the handguard and the receiver with a ring between them. I did tink originally it might be a Czech Luvo Arms gun, but the ring didn't look big enough. [[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:44, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

== unknown Handgun S02 ==

Is the unknown pistol in S02E08 the FEG R78?
[[File:Strikebackpd-pistol-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The pistol in Season 2]]
[[File:FEG R78.jpg|thumb|300px|none|FEG R78 - .32 ACP]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E05 211.jpg|thumb|600px|none|R78 in season 4]]
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 13:28, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

:Yes, it is. You can tell by the design of the takedown lever at the front of the trigger guard, will get a pic of the left side of the FEG to show it.
::Here is a pic of the left side, you can see that the lever matches:[[File:FEG R78 left.jpg|thumb|300px|none|FEG R78 - .32 ACP]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:20, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

== AK in episode 7 ==

Anybody know what this AK is? I think this was filmed in Hungary, but I don't recognize the muzzle brake:
[[File:Strike Back S04E07 030.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E07 031.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
I would guess they are milled as they have the wide front sight and the original gas block, but they aren't really seen properly. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:33, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
This is an AK-47...and a Flash-Hiding Compensator called: PWS Diablo.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]

== CSA Vz 58 in episode 8 ==

[[File:Vz 58 Bolt Carrier Jammed.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

Just something I noticed in Episode 8. This happened at about 20:29 in. Sgt. Richmond had stopped firing her weapon at this point. In the previous scene the bolt carrier was in battery, as well as after this scene, yet here it is jammed partially open. I guess this is just a technical goof? [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 23:53, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
:My guess is that this shot is from a different take to the before and after shots. In this take the gun probably jammed during firing hence probably why they didn't use it, but for whatever reason this shot was better from the "jam" take. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:32, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

== Unidentified Revolver in episode 6 ==

This is a Taurus M85.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:I don't think that's it. The ejector rod on the Taurus 85 has a full shroud. This does not. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:46, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
::There was a Taurus .38 snub that had an unshrouded ejector rob that I think was the pre-85 model, but this had a long front sight like the older Model 85s as opposed to this gun that has a short little front sight blade. [http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/38taurus/38taurus-027942.jpg Here] is a pic of what I am thinking of and what I was originally going to ID it as before I realised the front sight and the cylinder release didn't match. I suppose it ''could'' be one of the these with the front sight and the cylinder release ground down to be smaller, but this seems like a really odd modification to do to one of these. Or possibly there is a newer/older model of it that had these differenced, but I have never seen it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:57, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
:::How about whatever [http://www.zib-militaria.de/Taurus-Revolver-M80-deactivated this] is? I don't think it's actually a Taurus Model 80, I'm not finding any evidence the Taurus 80 was every made with a 2" barrel. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:53, 11 October 2013 (EDT)
::::A small modification had to be done on this one.(Your eyes like an eagle's.)--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:::::Is it a Model 80 rather than an 85 though? As it has a 6 round cylinder I assume it has to be an 80 right? Do you know what mods it has had, from the appearance I assume the barrel has been shortened and the sides of the cylinder release lever have been shaved off. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:03, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
::::::I can't tell if it's five or six shots from the images. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:39, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
:::::::It's a 6 shot. On a six shot the cylinder stop notches and the fluting are staggered, on a five shot (or any other odd number like the seven shot [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]s) the fluting and the notches lines up. In [[Media:Strike Back S04E06 247.jpg|this]] image you can see that they are staggered, meaning it is a 6 shot so therefore (I think) a Model 80. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:19, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
::::::::But that's the other thing, did Taurus ever make a Model 80 with a 2-in barrel? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:21, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

==New ARs in S4E09==

As of S4E09, it appears that Scott and Stonebridge are now carrying some type of short-barreled AR-type carbine as their main weapons on missions. Could anyone tell what type of weapon it was? My guess is that they were Mark 18 CQBRs with SOPMOD Block II accessories, but I couldn't tell for sure. Unlike the show's M4s, they don't seem to be mock-ups built by cutting off the carry handle on older-model rifles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 16:27, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

:I'm just about to upload caps of them, but they are a bit of a mishmash I think. The one used by Stonebridge has a Daniel Defense Lite rail, but the forward assist has a teardrop plunger which is incorrect for a stock DD gun. Scott's gun has a different rail system where there is a gap between the handguard and receiver rails. The lower markings of Scott's carbine are briefly visible, but the only part I could make out is that I think the last part of the manufacturer name is "DIVISION", but I can't thnik of a company with division. Anybody have any ideas? Neither of the rifles are seen particularly clearly though, as the first scene they are used in is a night scene, and the second is shot on a train so most of the camera angles are either directly in front of or behind the actors. Hopefully they will continue to use them in the next episode with some clearer shots. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:27, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

::On second thought, it looks like the rifles are supposed to be the [[PWS MK1 rifle series#MK107 "Diablo"|PWS MK107]], not the Mark 18, though I'm not sure they're the real deal (given the various "Franken" weapons we have seen on this show, I would imagine that the armorers at Hire Arms built the weapons from parts of other ARs that they already had in inventory).

::Also, not sure the teardrop forward assist says much, except that the armorers happened to have a shortage of the newer round type in inventory (if you have ever seen ''[[Generation Kill]]'', which was also done with Hire Arms weapons/handlers, the M4s on that mini-series all have the teardrop forward assist). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 21:42, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

:::One other thing I noticed: Stonebridge's weapon has the "bent" trigger guard seen on the MK107, while Scott's does not. Neither rifle has the correct type of rail system for PWS rifles, though. But I still think that right now, the best way that we could describe these weapons would be as "PWS MK107 "Diablo" (mock-ups)", since that's clearly what they're ''supposed'' to be. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 21:53, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

::::What I meant by the forward assist thing as that it indicates that it isn't an OTS complete Daniel Defence gun as they have a round forward assist, so is more likely a custom build. I don't think we can really say that they are meant to be Diablos, they look no more like those than they do like a lot of other rifles in this weight class, like a Noveske Diplomat or LWRD PSD. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:09, 15 October 2013 (EDT)

The Base is a Colt M16...and this has been built exactly for "Stonebridge" 's style and his personal expectation.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
[[File:20131014 171117 .jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Thanks again. If you have any other pictures of the guns used in this show please post them. Even if they are standard, unmodified guns, it is always great to have a shot of the actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:53, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
::You're welcome. It's possible, just time-dependent.--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
I've got a couple of feelers out on the other AR with a couple of individuals very familiar with the platform. Hopefully they can go off of the screenshot of the lower and give an idea. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]])

== Berettas in S04E10 ==

Anyone have any idea about these guns that are used by US soldiers and then subsequently by some of the cleanskins:
[[File:Strike Back S04E10 070.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E10 077.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Strike Back S04E10 176.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
It has a Beretta type open topped slide, slide safety, skeleton hammer and railed frame which looks like it might be polymer. I was originally going to call it a [[Beretta 90Two]], but then I realised that firstly it had a square trigger guard, but also that the frame design appears to be totally wrong. It looks too high going all the way up to the slide safety, and also lacks the external trigger bar that is on all the 92 variants. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Ramstein AFB ==
Randomly wondering, should there be vehicles marked "KFOR" there? Kosovo is a pretty lengthy drive from Germany. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:25, 23 October 2013 (EDT)

Some MP g-wagens over here have KFOR markings too, did they actually film it in germany? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 19:44, 23 December 2013 (EST)

== Screen-used weapons ==
Finally, Thank You for this great site what give us a very useful feedback and highlights the demands of professionalism.
Our Hungarian firm was responsible for all the weapons from fifth episode till the last so I can talk about this period.
So here are some screen-used gun...
:Michelle Lukes owned
[[File:20131025 151734.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:20131102 122415.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
Mairead McKenna (Catherine Walker)
[[File:R-78.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]
Qaseem (Philip Arditti)
[[File:ARROW.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]
Leonid (Mihai Arsene)
[[File:SZTECSKIN.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
--[[User:Hades|Hades]] 07 November 2013 (EDT)
:So Hades, did you deliberately measure your post to be exact 666 characters long, or was it just an awesome coincidence? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:31, 6 November 2013 (EST)
::No...Seems Universe has a sense of humour...:)--[[User:Hades|Hades]]
:::Thanks for these, it is very much appreciated. Dou you happen to have any info about the AR-15 used by Michelle Lukes, as in is it a production rifle or a custom build? Also, do you know anything about the MP5 type SMGs that are used during the episodes shot in Hungary? I'm talking about [[Strike_Back_-_Season_4#Unknown_MP5_Variant|these ones]] with the straight mag, different cocking handle and the odd pin locations. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:07, 17 November 2013 (EST)

Talk:The Best Movie 3D (Samyi Luchshiy Film 3-De)

2013-12-22T22:23:19Z

Iceman:

Maybe something like [http://www.maxarmory.com/replica-guns/8mm-modern-military-blank-firing-pistols/m1911-45-government-blank-firing-replica-pistol-nickel.html this] or [http://www.blank-guns-depot.com/blank-firing-guns-store/catalog/Kimar-1911-Blank-Firing-Gun-8mm-Nickel-p-1548.html this]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps, but this gun is too difficult to see that it was possible to say something concrete. --[[User:Andrey Karchikyan|Andrey Karchikyan]] ([[User talk:Andrey Karchikyan|talk]]) 23:53, 18 October 2013 (MSK)
:Most firearms in modern Russian movies are cheap airsoft guns, usually in 6 mm caliber. I guess that this pistol is also an airsoft one, its muzzle looks small enough. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 16:09, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

The 1911 is probably an Umarex 1911 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 22 December 2013 (EST)

== Too much images for one same weapon ==

The [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#Image_Rules:_Screenshots|rules]] limit the quantity of images of same weapon: 10 is maximum while 7 is preferable. Please reduce the quantity of PPSh and Mosin screenshot (many of them looks very similar). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:51, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Other screenshots ==

Here are collected screenshots of Mosin Nagant rifles, do not fit on the movie main page.

[[File:Secret_ofLeader_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Secret_ofLeader_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Secret_ofLeader_8.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Secret_ofLeader_13.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Secret_ofLeader_14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mosin Nagant rifle can be seen on the right.]]

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-21T20:18:45Z

Iceman: /* Colt Model 933? */

__TOC__ 

==Please help ID==

A Sectragon sniper uses an unidentified suppressed AR-15 variant (a Colt Sporter?) to open fire on Hamilton and Mouna in the woods in Sweden. The rifle seems to have an undetachable carry handle with an older 4-position stock. Hamilton also briefly handles the rifle after he neutralizes the sniper and dumps the weapon's magazine.

More than likely a sporter, it is probably a civilian rifle from the armorer, since all the scenes in sweden involving firearms are either with pistols, which the armorer would have no problem providing or non-firing military weapons, which are probably provided by the military. Scenes filmed outside of sweden would probably involve a different armorer with a different stock of weapons --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:06, 19 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Maybe this? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2013 (EST) [[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film The Dogs of War - 5.56x45mm]]

::That looks about right. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 14:21, 19 December 2013 (EST)

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. Edit. Sorry I thought you were going through the rifles as they appear. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Nope, I got it loud and clear (the wip banner is there for a reason). I'll finish the page tomorrow, and add the EBR and the grenades. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

==Colt Model 933?==
Having seen the movie myself just recently, I took the liberty to add RPG-7 & AKMS and revised all mentions of ‘Pakistani’ to ‘Afghani’ (verified the latter with the DVD subtitles). In addition, there’s one rifle where I would appreciate help for identification. Below rifle is mentioned as M4A1 carbine, but to me the barrel length seems more indicative of the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]], what do you guys think? -- [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 13:17, 21 December 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933 with 4-position stock - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sectragon PMC holds his M4A1 before the Somali prison rescue.]]

Could be airsoft m4cqb or something? Could be a Mk, looks like there is something under the f-assist as well. Edit sorry thats the sling ring, which is installed on most airsoft m4's --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:09, 21 December 2013 (EST)

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-21T20:17:04Z

Iceman: /* Colt Model 933? */

__TOC__ 

==Please help ID==

A Sectragon sniper uses an unidentified suppressed AR-15 variant (a Colt Sporter?) to open fire on Hamilton and Mouna in the woods in Sweden. The rifle seems to have an undetachable carry handle with an older 4-position stock. Hamilton also briefly handles the rifle after he neutralizes the sniper and dumps the weapon's magazine.

More than likely a sporter, it is probably a civilian rifle from the armorer, since all the scenes in sweden involving firearms are either with pistols, which the armorer would have no problem providing or non-firing military weapons, which are probably provided by the military. Scenes filmed outside of sweden would probably involve a different armorer with a different stock of weapons --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:06, 19 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Maybe this? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2013 (EST) [[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film The Dogs of War - 5.56x45mm]]

::That looks about right. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 14:21, 19 December 2013 (EST)

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. Edit. Sorry I thought you were going through the rifles as they appear. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Nope, I got it loud and clear (the wip banner is there for a reason). I'll finish the page tomorrow, and add the EBR and the grenades. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

==Colt Model 933?==
Having seen the movie myself just recently, I took the liberty to add RPG-7 & AKMS and revised all mentions of ‘Pakistani’ to ‘Afghani’ (verified the latter with the DVD subtitles). In addition, there’s one rifle where I would appreciate help for identification. Below rifle is mentioned as M4A1 carbine, but to me the barrel length seems more indicative of the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]], what do you guys think? -- [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 13:17, 21 December 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933 with 4-position stock - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sectragon PMC holds his M4A1 before the Somali prison rescue.]]

Could be airsoft m4cqb or something? Could be a Mk, looks like there is something under the f-assist as well. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:09, 21 December 2013 (EST)

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-21T20:09:25Z

Iceman:

__TOC__ 

==Please help ID==

A Sectragon sniper uses an unidentified suppressed AR-15 variant (a Colt Sporter?) to open fire on Hamilton and Mouna in the woods in Sweden. The rifle seems to have an undetachable carry handle with an older 4-position stock. Hamilton also briefly handles the rifle after he neutralizes the sniper and dumps the weapon's magazine.

More than likely a sporter, it is probably a civilian rifle from the armorer, since all the scenes in sweden involving firearms are either with pistols, which the armorer would have no problem providing or non-firing military weapons, which are probably provided by the military. Scenes filmed outside of sweden would probably involve a different armorer with a different stock of weapons --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:06, 19 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Maybe this? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2013 (EST) [[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film The Dogs of War - 5.56x45mm]]

::That looks about right. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 14:21, 19 December 2013 (EST)

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. Edit. Sorry I thought you were going through the rifles as they appear. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Nope, I got it loud and clear (the wip banner is there for a reason). I'll finish the page tomorrow, and add the EBR and the grenades. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

==Colt Model 933?==
Having seen the movie myself just recently, I took the liberty to add RPG-7 & AKMS and revised all mentions of ‘Pakistani’ to ‘Afghani’ (verified the latter with the DVD subtitles). In addition, there’s one rifle where I would appreciate help for identification. Below rifle is mentioned as M4A1 carbine, but to me the barrel length seems more indicative of the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]], what do you guys think? -- [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 13:17, 21 December 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933 with 4-position stock - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sectragon PMC holds his M4A1 before the Somali prison rescue.]]

Could be airsoft m4cqb or something? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:09, 21 December 2013 (EST)

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-19T13:06:47Z

Iceman:

<big>Big text</big>==Please help ID==

A Sectragon sniper uses an unidentified suppressed AR-15 variant (a Colt Sporter?) to open fire on Hamilton and Mouna in the woods in Sweden. The rifle seems to have an undetachable carry handle with an older 4-position stock. Hamilton also briefly handles the rifle after he neutralizes the sniper and dumps the weapon's magazine.

More than likely a sporter, it is probably a civilian rifle from the armorer, since all the scenes in sweden involving firearms are either with pistols, which the armorer would have no problem providing or non-firing military weapons, which are probably provided by the military. Scenes filmed outside of sweden would probably involve a different armorer with a different stock of weapons --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:06, 19 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. Edit. Sorry I thought you were going through the rifles as they appear. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Nope, I got it loud and clear (the wip banner is there for a reason). I'll finish the page tomorrow, and add the EBR and the grenades. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-19T13:06:22Z

Iceman:

<big>Big text</big>==Please help ID==
A Sectragon sniper uses an unidentified suppressed AR-15 variant (a Colt Sporter?) to open fire on Hamilton and Mouna in the woods in Sweden. The rifle seems to have an undetachable carry handle with an older 4-position stock. Hamilton also briefly handles the rifle after he neutralizes the sniper and dumps the weapon's magazine.

More than likely a sporter, it is probably a civilian rifle from the armorer, since all the scenes in sweden involving firearms are either with pistols, which the armorer would have no problem providing or non-firing military weapons, which are probably provided by the military. Scenes filmed outside of sweden would probably involve a different armorer with a different stock of weapons --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:06, 19 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIAR15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. Edit. Sorry I thought you were going through the rifles as they appear. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Nope, I got it loud and clear (the wip banner is there for a reason). I'll finish the page tomorrow, and add the EBR and the grenades. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T22:39:50Z

Iceman:

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. Edit. Sorry I thought you were going through the rifles as they appear. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Nope, I got it loud and clear (the wip banner is there for a reason). I'll finish the page tomorrow, and add the EBR and the grenades. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:39, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T22:27:34Z

Iceman:

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)
::It looks like the red, white and black ribbon on his fruit salad is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany] he got in ''The Democratic Terrorist.'' The wings he has above it appears to be his Swedish special forces wings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Agree on this one, but the Bourne one I don't like too much shaky cam. You missed the EBR though. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T18:40:46Z

Iceman:

==Something I noticed==
Hamilton has a US Navy Special Warfare badge (aka, the "Budweiser") on his SDBs (or whatever the Swedish equivalent is called) in ''[[Commander Hamilton]]'', but it's missing on the poster of this film. I'm not sure what the Royal Swedish Navy policy on wearing foreign badges is, but the Budweiser is really sticks out due to its size. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:25, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Its due to the book (I don't know if the author researched it) in the books Hamilton is BUD's graduate, trough exchange program, have never read the books myself have never found an english translation over here, and I don't like to read russian translations, watched the movie in russian though, I think he had the trident, but it was scaled down unlike the old TV mini series (first pic), anyway these films are pretty good, if only there was an english dub --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:27, 16 December 2013 (EST)
:The copy I had was an English dub as well, unfortunately. It did sound like they got the actual stars to dub their own dialogue at least. I'm aware that it's established canon that Hamilton did pass the BUD/S course and is entitled to wear the badge, I was just wondering why it didn't show up in the poster of the new film. One would assume he'd wear it if he's earned it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:49, 16 December 2013 (EST)

::He has the Budweiser on his suit in the film (as evidenced below), don't know why it was left out of the poster, though. Guess they had to make room for the title. They even referenced his Seal training in this one (or the one after, can't remember). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:50, 16 December 2013 (EST)

The film also had ak5's the new version if I remember correctly, used by naval special forces (if I remember correctly) guarding the island, and one taken by Hamilton, but never used. Or was it the second movie? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:This one, I'm just getting to the "Rifles" section --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Great job, I saw both movies some time ago and I remember thinking its a shame they don't have a page, as they are quite good action flicks, with lots of guns. I guess its that they aren't realy popularized outside of sweeden, with mostly unknown cast members. My theory on the missing trident is simply that the visual team wanted a completely black suit to look cool, they probably added the ribbon bar to not look completely civilian, in general those people in most cases don't care about the movie, most posters are just to draw in the audiences. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:29, 16 December 2013 (EST)

:Thanks. I once thought that too, and after Funky made the page for Stormare's Hamilton I watched these again and decided to take action. There's a fight scene near the end of the first one that is really well executed. Reminds me of the fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum between Damon and the assassin in the room with the books and stuff... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:38, 16 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image: Hamilton_Budweiser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hamilton and his Budweiser. He also has Fallskärmsjägarna badge on the other side.]]
[[Image: HamiltonINationensIntresse.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This guy has fewer ribbons as well. I'm sure they've got the floating timeline going like they have with James Bond, but this guy seems at least the same age as Peter Stormare's Hamilton, if not older. ]]
[[Image:HamiltonINIHamiltonsRenssels.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the actual film, he has the Budweiser.]]

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T18:29:05Z

Iceman:

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T18:21:58Z

Iceman:

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T16:42:05Z

Iceman:

Talk:Hamilton: I nationens intresse

2013-12-16T16:27:39Z

Iceman: /* Something I noticed */

Talk:Almost Human (TV Series)

2013-12-12T13:23:57Z

Iceman: /* Airsoft P90 */

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this pistol. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E02Unknown.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Skin", an Albanian criminal birefly wields a large-frame pistol, that is apparently reverse two-tone.]]
:Pretty sure it's the same Zigana used in the beginning of the episode. I can make out the trigger guard and the some parts of the frame. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 03:03, 11 December 2013 (EST)

::I don't think it's the Zigana. It looks like it's got a black slide, and the lighting makes it seem it has a nickel or stainless frame. The shape reminds me of a Jericho 941, but I'm not a 100% on this. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 01:36, 12 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E05AR-15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M4A1? Again, to me, all the ARs look the same (with a few exceptions...]]
:Looks like an M4 pattern, however you can see that the receiver rail is higher than the handguard rail, and on a real M4 they would be in line. Based on this and the fact that this is a Vancouver production I would guess that this is one of the early model Olympic Arms K3B-FTs that appear in a lot of Canadian shows, like the Stargate franchise. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:30, 10 December 2013 (EST)

== Airsoft P90 ==

I'm not sure those are airsoft, I think they are just fitted with airsoft accessories. Firstly, they may have that hopper on the back but they also have a normal P90 magazine, which I do not thing can normally be fitted with one of these place. Also I don't think it has the AR-15 mag well on the left side, so my guess is that they have just fitted the hopper part to alter the shape of the weapon to make it appear futuristic. Secondly, after Kennex gets his leg shot off at the start of the episode, it looks like there are a number of cases on the floor which to me look like they could be fired 5.7x28mm crimped blanks (best shot is when it zooms in on the dead cops face). It could just be set dressing, but it got me wondering. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:58, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:I changed it back, I don't think they are airsoft either. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 09:12, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Irby's character picks one up from a disabled android near the end of first ep, and fires it. So obviusly not airsoft. Unless of course it was cgi, but doubtfull, I think those airsoft versions are discontinued. So it would be much easier to modify actual P90's not get a bunch of no longer for sale airsoft guns --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:21, 12 December 2013 (EST)

== Timecop Berettas ==

Are we sure these are Timecop Berettas? The muzzle profile seems a lot more angular than on the Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:Looks like the same pistol that was in [[Stargate_Universe#Custom_SVI_1911|Stargate Universe]]. It is currently listed as a custom SVI 1911 but am fairly sure that is wrong as I think you can see a Beretta style slide through the ejection port, however it is different to the original Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:05, 19 November 2013 (EST)
::I think it's a modified Taurus. I think I see a frame-mounted safety in one of the picks. (Assuming it's a functional safety.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:08, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:::That's exatcly what I was thinking; The first shot where Urban holds the pistol you can make out a frame-mounted safety... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:13, 19 November 2013 (EST)

::::Here is a good comparison shot between the two:[[File:TIMECOP-Pistol07a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:AlmostHumanS01E03Taurus.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] They are both Tauruses, but the only "custom" part that appears to be common is the rear part of the shroud that reciprocates with the slide. Both halves of the shroud at the front appear to be new, and even the grips are different being wood rather than polymer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:17, 26 November 2013 (EST)

I believe that is the pistol from the Nick Fury tv movie that starred David Hasselhoff. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2013 (EST)

== UTS-15 ==

Looks like this might be our first Gen 2 version:

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTSP90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex holds his UTS-15 next to an MX android (S01E01).]]

Tube selector looks like it's a straight tab rather than a hook.

[[Image:UTS-15 Gen2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gen 2 UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:07, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Odd thing is, this one looks like a Gen 1, so maybe they had several.

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTS2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex enters a building with his UTS-15 (S01E01).]]

Given FPS Russia managed to break two of the three the manufacturer gave him, that wouldn't surprise me. Looks like they managed to break the dust covers on this one / both of these. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:23, 26 November 2013 (EST)

:Although the selector tab on that looks hooked (and may in fact be a Gen 1 one), I think overall it is a Gen 2. Firstly, it has the Gen 2 style catch on the loading port cover. Secondly, from the length of the first line of text it says "RIGHT MAGAZINE CAPACITY" rather than the Gen 1 which says "MAGAZINE CAPACITY". Lastly, the markings for the laser/light switch (although the switch isn't installed) are level with the front of the trigger guard rather than further back like on the Gen 1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:56, 26 November 2013 (EST)
::Forgot, it also has the sights that come with the Gen 2 but seeing as they are modular this one isn't definitive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:59, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Talk:Almost Human (TV Series)

2013-12-12T13:23:34Z

Iceman: /* Airsoft P90 */

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this pistol. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E02Unknown.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Skin", an Albanian criminal birefly wields a large-frame pistol, that is apparently reverse two-tone.]]
:Pretty sure it's the same Zigana used in the beginning of the episode. I can make out the trigger guard and the some parts of the frame. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 03:03, 11 December 2013 (EST)

::I don't think it's the Zigana. It looks like it's got a black slide, and the lighting makes it seem it has a nickel or stainless frame. The shape reminds me of a Jericho 941, but I'm not a 100% on this. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 01:36, 12 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E05AR-15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M4A1? Again, to me, all the ARs look the same (with a few exceptions...]]
:Looks like an M4 pattern, however you can see that the receiver rail is higher than the handguard rail, and on a real M4 they would be in line. Based on this and the fact that this is a Vancouver production I would guess that this is one of the early model Olympic Arms K3B-FTs that appear in a lot of Canadian shows, like the Stargate franchise. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:30, 10 December 2013 (EST)

== Airsoft P90 ==

I'm not sure those are airsoft, I think they are just fitted with airsoft accessories. Firstly, they may have that hopper on the back but they also have a normal P90 magazine, which I do not thing can normally be fitted with one of these place. Also I don't think it has the AR-15 mag well on the left side, so my guess is that they have just fitted the hopper part to alter the shape of the weapon to make it appear futuristic. Secondly, after Kennex gets his leg shot off at the start of the episode, it looks like there are a number of cases on the floor which to me look like they could be fired 5.7x28mm crimped blanks (best shot is when it zooms in on the dead cops face). It could just be set dressing, but it got me wondering. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:58, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:I changed it back, I don't think they are airsoft either. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 09:12, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Irby's character picks one up from a disabled android near the end of first ep, and fires it. So obviusly not airsoft. Unless of course it was cgi, but doubtfull, I think those airsoft versions are discontinued. So it would be much easier to modify actual P90's not get a bunch of n0o longer for sale airsoft guns --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:21, 12 December 2013 (EST)

== Timecop Berettas ==

Are we sure these are Timecop Berettas? The muzzle profile seems a lot more angular than on the Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:Looks like the same pistol that was in [[Stargate_Universe#Custom_SVI_1911|Stargate Universe]]. It is currently listed as a custom SVI 1911 but am fairly sure that is wrong as I think you can see a Beretta style slide through the ejection port, however it is different to the original Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:05, 19 November 2013 (EST)
::I think it's a modified Taurus. I think I see a frame-mounted safety in one of the picks. (Assuming it's a functional safety.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:08, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:::That's exatcly what I was thinking; The first shot where Urban holds the pistol you can make out a frame-mounted safety... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:13, 19 November 2013 (EST)

::::Here is a good comparison shot between the two:[[File:TIMECOP-Pistol07a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:AlmostHumanS01E03Taurus.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] They are both Tauruses, but the only "custom" part that appears to be common is the rear part of the shroud that reciprocates with the slide. Both halves of the shroud at the front appear to be new, and even the grips are different being wood rather than polymer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:17, 26 November 2013 (EST)

I believe that is the pistol from the Nick Fury tv movie that starred David Hasselhoff. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2013 (EST)

== UTS-15 ==

Looks like this might be our first Gen 2 version:

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTSP90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex holds his UTS-15 next to an MX android (S01E01).]]

Tube selector looks like it's a straight tab rather than a hook.

[[Image:UTS-15 Gen2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gen 2 UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:07, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Odd thing is, this one looks like a Gen 1, so maybe they had several.

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTS2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex enters a building with his UTS-15 (S01E01).]]

Given FPS Russia managed to break two of the three the manufacturer gave him, that wouldn't surprise me. Looks like they managed to break the dust covers on this one / both of these. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:23, 26 November 2013 (EST)

:Although the selector tab on that looks hooked (and may in fact be a Gen 1 one), I think overall it is a Gen 2. Firstly, it has the Gen 2 style catch on the loading port cover. Secondly, from the length of the first line of text it says "RIGHT MAGAZINE CAPACITY" rather than the Gen 1 which says "MAGAZINE CAPACITY". Lastly, the markings for the laser/light switch (although the switch isn't installed) are level with the front of the trigger guard rather than further back like on the Gen 1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:56, 26 November 2013 (EST)
::Forgot, it also has the sights that come with the Gen 2 but seeing as they are modular this one isn't definitive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:59, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Talk:Almost Human (TV Series)

2013-12-12T13:22:21Z

Iceman: /* Airsoft P90 */

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this pistol. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E02Unknown.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Skin", an Albanian criminal birefly wields a large-frame pistol, that is apparently reverse two-tone.]]
:Pretty sure it's the same Zigana used in the beginning of the episode. I can make out the trigger guard and the some parts of the frame. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 03:03, 11 December 2013 (EST)

::I don't think it's the Zigana. It looks like it's got a black slide, and the lighting makes it seem it has a nickel or stainless frame. The shape reminds me of a Jericho 941, but I'm not a 100% on this. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 01:36, 12 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E05AR-15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M4A1? Again, to me, all the ARs look the same (with a few exceptions...]]
:Looks like an M4 pattern, however you can see that the receiver rail is higher than the handguard rail, and on a real M4 they would be in line. Based on this and the fact that this is a Vancouver production I would guess that this is one of the early model Olympic Arms K3B-FTs that appear in a lot of Canadian shows, like the Stargate franchise. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:30, 10 December 2013 (EST)

== Airsoft P90 ==

I'm not sure those are airsoft, I think they are just fitted with airsoft accessories. Firstly, they may have that hopper on the back but they also have a normal P90 magazine, which I do not thing can normally be fitted with one of these place. Also I don't think it has the AR-15 mag well on the left side, so my guess is that they have just fitted the hopper part to alter the shape of the weapon to make it appear futuristic. Secondly, after Kennex gets his leg shot off at the start of the episode, it looks like there are a number of cases on the floor which to me look like they could be fired 5.7x28mm crimped blanks (best shot is when it zooms in on the dead cops face). It could just be set dressing, but it got me wondering. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:58, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:I changed it back, I don't think they are airsoft either. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 09:12, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Irby's character picks one up from a disabled android near the end of first ep, and fires it. So obviusly not airsoft. Unless of course it was cgi, but doubtfull, I think those airsoft versions are discontinued. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:21, 12 December 2013 (EST)

== Timecop Berettas ==

Are we sure these are Timecop Berettas? The muzzle profile seems a lot more angular than on the Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:Looks like the same pistol that was in [[Stargate_Universe#Custom_SVI_1911|Stargate Universe]]. It is currently listed as a custom SVI 1911 but am fairly sure that is wrong as I think you can see a Beretta style slide through the ejection port, however it is different to the original Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:05, 19 November 2013 (EST)
::I think it's a modified Taurus. I think I see a frame-mounted safety in one of the picks. (Assuming it's a functional safety.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:08, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:::That's exatcly what I was thinking; The first shot where Urban holds the pistol you can make out a frame-mounted safety... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:13, 19 November 2013 (EST)

::::Here is a good comparison shot between the two:[[File:TIMECOP-Pistol07a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:AlmostHumanS01E03Taurus.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] They are both Tauruses, but the only "custom" part that appears to be common is the rear part of the shroud that reciprocates with the slide. Both halves of the shroud at the front appear to be new, and even the grips are different being wood rather than polymer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:17, 26 November 2013 (EST)

I believe that is the pistol from the Nick Fury tv movie that starred David Hasselhoff. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2013 (EST)

== UTS-15 ==

Looks like this might be our first Gen 2 version:

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTSP90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex holds his UTS-15 next to an MX android (S01E01).]]

Tube selector looks like it's a straight tab rather than a hook.

[[Image:UTS-15 Gen2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gen 2 UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:07, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Odd thing is, this one looks like a Gen 1, so maybe they had several.

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTS2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex enters a building with his UTS-15 (S01E01).]]

Given FPS Russia managed to break two of the three the manufacturer gave him, that wouldn't surprise me. Looks like they managed to break the dust covers on this one / both of these. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:23, 26 November 2013 (EST)

:Although the selector tab on that looks hooked (and may in fact be a Gen 1 one), I think overall it is a Gen 2. Firstly, it has the Gen 2 style catch on the loading port cover. Secondly, from the length of the first line of text it says "RIGHT MAGAZINE CAPACITY" rather than the Gen 1 which says "MAGAZINE CAPACITY". Lastly, the markings for the laser/light switch (although the switch isn't installed) are level with the front of the trigger guard rather than further back like on the Gen 1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:56, 26 November 2013 (EST)
::Forgot, it also has the sights that come with the Gen 2 but seeing as they are modular this one isn't definitive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:59, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Talk:Almost Human (TV Series)

2013-12-12T13:21:32Z

Iceman: /* Airsoft P90 */

== Please help ID ==

Please help ID this pistol. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E02Unknown.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In "Skin", an Albanian criminal birefly wields a large-frame pistol, that is apparently reverse two-tone.]]
:Pretty sure it's the same Zigana used in the beginning of the episode. I can make out the trigger guard and the some parts of the frame. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 03:03, 11 December 2013 (EST)

::I don't think it's the Zigana. It looks like it's got a black slide, and the lighting makes it seem it has a nickel or stainless frame. The shape reminds me of a Jericho 941, but I'm not a 100% on this. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 01:36, 12 December 2013 (EST)

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01E05AR-15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|M4A1? Again, to me, all the ARs look the same (with a few exceptions...]]
:Looks like an M4 pattern, however you can see that the receiver rail is higher than the handguard rail, and on a real M4 they would be in line. Based on this and the fact that this is a Vancouver production I would guess that this is one of the early model Olympic Arms K3B-FTs that appear in a lot of Canadian shows, like the Stargate franchise. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:30, 10 December 2013 (EST)

== Airsoft P90 ==

I'm not sure those are airsoft, I think they are just fitted with airsoft accessories. Firstly, they may have that hopper on the back but they also have a normal P90 magazine, which I do not thing can normally be fitted with one of these place. Also I don't think it has the AR-15 mag well on the left side, so my guess is that they have just fitted the hopper part to alter the shape of the weapon to make it appear futuristic. Secondly, after Kennex gets his leg shot off at the start of the episode, it looks like there are a number of cases on the floor which to me look like they could be fired 5.7x28mm crimped blanks (best shot is when it zooms in on the dead cops face). It could just be set dressing, but it got me wondering. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:58, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:I changed it back, I don't think they are airsoft either. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 09:12, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Irby's character picks one up from a disabled android near the end of first ep, and fires it. So obviusly not airsoft. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:21, 12 December 2013 (EST)

== Timecop Berettas ==

Are we sure these are Timecop Berettas? The muzzle profile seems a lot more angular than on the Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:18, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:Looks like the same pistol that was in [[Stargate_Universe#Custom_SVI_1911|Stargate Universe]]. It is currently listed as a custom SVI 1911 but am fairly sure that is wrong as I think you can see a Beretta style slide through the ejection port, however it is different to the original Timecop Beretta. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:05, 19 November 2013 (EST)
::I think it's a modified Taurus. I think I see a frame-mounted safety in one of the picks. (Assuming it's a functional safety.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:08, 19 November 2013 (EST)

:::That's exatcly what I was thinking; The first shot where Urban holds the pistol you can make out a frame-mounted safety... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:13, 19 November 2013 (EST)

::::Here is a good comparison shot between the two:[[File:TIMECOP-Pistol07a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:AlmostHumanS01E03Taurus.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] They are both Tauruses, but the only "custom" part that appears to be common is the rear part of the shroud that reciprocates with the slide. Both halves of the shroud at the front appear to be new, and even the grips are different being wood rather than polymer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:17, 26 November 2013 (EST)

I believe that is the pistol from the Nick Fury tv movie that starred David Hasselhoff. --[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 21:31, 26 November 2013 (EST)

== UTS-15 ==

Looks like this might be our first Gen 2 version:

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTSP90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex holds his UTS-15 next to an MX android (S01E01).]]

Tube selector looks like it's a straight tab rather than a hook.

[[Image:UTS-15 Gen2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gen 2 UTAS UTS-15 - 12 gauge]]
[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:07, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Odd thing is, this one looks like a Gen 1, so maybe they had several.

[[Image:AlmostHumanS01UTS2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Kennex enters a building with his UTS-15 (S01E01).]]

Given FPS Russia managed to break two of the three the manufacturer gave him, that wouldn't surprise me. Looks like they managed to break the dust covers on this one / both of these. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:23, 26 November 2013 (EST)

:Although the selector tab on that looks hooked (and may in fact be a Gen 1 one), I think overall it is a Gen 2. Firstly, it has the Gen 2 style catch on the loading port cover. Secondly, from the length of the first line of text it says "RIGHT MAGAZINE CAPACITY" rather than the Gen 1 which says "MAGAZINE CAPACITY". Lastly, the markings for the laser/light switch (although the switch isn't installed) are level with the front of the trigger guard rather than further back like on the Gen 1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:56, 26 November 2013 (EST)
::Forgot, it also has the sights that come with the Gen 2 but seeing as they are modular this one isn't definitive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:59, 26 November 2013 (EST)