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Talk:The Man

2010-12-27T04:03:45Z

GaBoy45: New page: The Unidentified pistol looks like a Lorcin to me.~~~~

The Unidentified pistol looks like a Lorcin to me.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 04:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Town

2010-12-21T03:34:22Z

GaBoy45:

==Unknowns==
[[Image:Town-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jem (Jeremy Renner) fires a pistol.]]
:Looks like a USP. -[[User:The_Winchester|Dr. Awesome]]
:I agree, i think it's a USP Compact. -Scott; August 12th 2010
Am I the only one who thinks this movie looks like it will be awesome? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]
::Plus also this page is the talk of The Town. Puns are awesome.
And am I the only one who thinks that these guys are, like, alarmingly well-equipped for bank robbers? I WISH it were that easy to get a full-auto HK416. :(
:::Even if the registry was reopened you would still have a hard time getting one. HK would go out of their way to somehow stop that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Keep in mind that this is MASSACHUSETTS that the movie is set in. Strictest gun laws ever. SKS rifles aren't even allowed to be purchased inside the Boston city limits. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

You know I have to admit I was thinking the same thing myself in regards to the weapons used by this crew and those in other movies like [[Heat]] or something. Where are these guys getting their firepower? HK's 416 is strictly in use by SOCOM or SWAT units. Sure the argument can be made they are acquiring some stuff on the "black market" but...come on!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Heat actually made more sense than this one. AR-15 carbines are relatively easy to convert with drop in parts, Sigs and HK pistols are easy to find, and a semi-automatic HK 91 are nothing compared to an HK 416. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Well to stretch it, we can say this movie takes place during a time when the HK416's civilian variant has been released already and like in Heat, the character bought the civilian variant and put in a drop in auto conversion. It IS a stretch, but at least my theory explains how they at least got a hold of a 416.

Oh and to the guy up there saying that because this movie takes place in Massachusetts with the strictest gun laws ever doesn't mean ANYTHING to bank robbers or criminal in general. They coulda bought their guns outside of the state, transported them back to Massachusetts and then made them full auto. This is the fact showing that gun control in one state doesn't matter when all you have to do is go to the neighboring state. I mean, what's H&K really going to do when they find out that someone is using their guns in a bank robbery? You really think the gun company would go out of their way to make sure their name isn't tarnished when police have problem finding high profile criminals? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I should know what you can and can't do in MA, seeing as I live there. :P You can't even buy a handgun in Boston with a magazine that can hold more than ten rounds, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder and/or a capacity exceeding six rounds, a semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds, any SKS, AK47, UZI, AR-15, Steyr AUG, FN-FAL, and FN-FNC rifle. I agree, your point is valid, but there's no need to sound all snippy about it. all I was saying is that obtaining that level of weaponry would be a fairly difficult task. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I must agree with Excalibur01 here. Professional CRIMINALS don't have the same barriers to weapons that law abiding regular citizens do. Just having draconian gun laws really doesn't mean anything to a professional criminal. A good example of this is the shootouts by the YAKUZA in JAPAN. Seriously, the fact that criminals can get anything they want (and by definition DON'T follow the law anyway) proves how useless and stupid most gun prohibitions are. ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::I wasn't trying to be "snippy". You're just reading my text in that tone. I was just being informative on how things work to the criminal mind. They don't follow the law or any rules at all. You really think a magazine limit will stop a criminal from committing crime? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::Haha absolutely not, and in that respect, most, if not all, firearms laws are a joke. Sorry if I took that the wrong way, no hard feelings. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 17:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
And just as another stretch, it IS possible to get the HK USC, with is the civilian UMP and customize it to function like a UMP, but the best theory on why all the hard to get weapons is they most likely stole them from the Police. I mean, there are many departments that uses the UMP and there are some out there that do have the HK416. It wouldn't be TOO hard to believe they ambushed a cop car and stole their weapons or broke into a police armory. They seem to be good at breaking in and disguising themselves. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:They could also possibly had illegal weapon imports from foreign countries. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
::I doubt it'd be an illegal import in full automatic since you'd have to have legit military or Law Enforcement credentials for something like that. HK has a very poor track record when it comes to civilian customer service. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

:It appears that Hollywood uses HK416s as well.

::You guys are over-thinking this again. The bottom line is this: The robbers are using HK416s and other exotic automatic weapons because those guns look cool, and visual impact is all that matters in Hollywood. In real life, it is highly unlikely that we would ever see bank robbers using such hardware. It's not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Also even in 'movie world', professional criminals can have ties to gun running operations like those run by the Hell's Angels or the Mafia or even the Drug Cartel. There is NO BARRIER to any type of weapons ownership if you have the will and the CASH to get it and are willing to deal with very unsavory types. The weapons used by the Mexican Drug cartel right NOW is proof of that. Talk about a country with draconian gun control, it certainly doesn't stop the Drug Cartel gangs. Now fortunately for us, in the real world, 99% of criminals are STUPID, but that's another thread all together..;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Well said MT2008...this is a movie not a documentry.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Aren't the robbers in the movie (McRay, Coughlin and Fergie the florist) Irish? Maybe they are raising funds for the IRA? What if they got the 416s from IRA arm dealers? The IRA affliated dealer in The Boondock Saints was shown to have an impressive arsenal including the HK PSG-1, Arctic Warfare Police, DShK etc. So my theory goes that some guerillas managed to kill British special forces, who may have been issued the HK 416s in limited quantities for testing and then sold them. What bugs me is the fact that on one hand these robbers are using HK 416s and on the other the TEC-9. If Jem wanted a 9mm smg, wouldn't the MP5(K) be a better choice? --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 07:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, they're Irish, but that doesn't mean they're affiliated with the IRA. And the real-life IRA(s) is not nearly as well-armed as movies make them look (most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S.) If you are seriously trying to explain the feasibility of Irish-American bank robbers having HK416s by suggesting that they could have gotten the weapons from the IRA, simply because of how the IRA is portrayed in ''movies''...well, do I even need to say it? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

:::Which part of guerillas killing British military personnel and selling their weapons not possible? I'm not saying that every single IRA is equiped with exotic weapons, just that it is possible they may get their hands on one or two. In that case it would be better to sell these and buy more cheaper guns. This theory fits perfectly with the PSG-1 and AWP while the DSHk could be supplied by Libya. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 15:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Hold Up! the IRA is buying "most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S."? Where is that information coming from? How can a little country like the U.S ;) supply its personally purchased firearms to the Mexican drug Cartels AND the IRA?...shit man we get blamed for everything!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::::(1.) There isn't any British military unit that uses the HK416. The SAS still uses traditional direct-impingement M16s and M4s (which is irrelevant, since the SAS also hasn't conducted any operations in Northern Ireland since the 1990s).

::::(2.) Since 2007, the British Army has ended its operations in Northern Ireland. All British troops involved in combat and peacekeeping operations during the Troubles have either returned to base or returned to the mainland. Although there is still paramilitary activity in the province (from both Republican and Loyalist groups), it is now handled by Northern Ireland's police force, the PSNI. In other words, not many British military personnel walking around with their weapons.

::::(3.) The Provisional IRA (which is what most people mean by "the IRA") disarmed itself in 2005 and has become an exclusively political organization (all of its weapons, including its large stock of assault rifles, were decommissioned under the supervision of an international monitoring agency). There are still several splinter IRA factions (the Real IRA, Continuity IRA, and the Irish National Liberation Army) which do not support the peace process, but those groups are extremely poorly armed, due to the difficulties in securing funding and supply routes for weapons. If you ever find propaganda photos of them, you'll see that they're still using rusty old AKs sent to the PIRA by Qaddafi 25 years ago, and outdated civilian AR-15s that were bought by American IRA supporters from gun shops 30+ years ago. If any of those groups had an HK416, I'm pretty sure they'd keep it for themselves. They simply don't have enough weapons that they can afford to sell off to anyone else.

::::Need I say more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::::''the IRA is buying "most of their weaponry was purchased in gun stores in the U.S."? Where is that information coming from? ''

::::As I've said, not IS, '''was'''. For most of its history, the IRA got most of its weapons from its supporters in the U.S. By the 1980s, the FBI had started cracking down on the IRA's American gunrunner network, and Libya took over supplying weapons. You can read more [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation here]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

==Yahoo Movies==
Yahoo Movies has some pictures.
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo6
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/2274/the-town-stills#photo37

== Jimmy O? ==

Is it just me or is that cop with the wooden stocked 870 played by Titus Welliver, who plays Jimmy O'Phelan on Sons of Anarchy
[[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 00:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah that's him. He was in Affleck's Gone Baby Gone also.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

==Rifle with dual-magazines==
Anyone knows what this rifle is? (in much better detail at [http://thetownmovie.warnerbros.com/data/downloads/wallpapers/get_wallpaper.html?image=1600/TT_WPs1600_NB_002.jpg]) - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:TT-AK?dualmags.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

AKMSU - [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]
:Thanks. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I always knew the nuns would get desperate after Sunday donations dried up :) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
:Don't fear their rulers, few their automatic weapons [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question on Fergie's gun *SPOILERS* ==

This is one for people who've seen the movie. Near the end when Doug goes to Fergie's and kills him. I was pretty sure that Fergie's pistol was a Glock but my friends swear that it was some sort of 1911. Did anybody get a clear look at it? [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 17:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
:Definitely a 1911 pistol, you could see the rounded top of the slide and the foreend was distinctly 1911 style.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Damn, how they hell did I miss that? I'm supposed to be the 1911 whore and they're the ones who saw it haha, time for pride swallowing I suppose. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 18:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm certain it was a 1911, but was it full length or compact? I could swear it only had a 4" barrel, can anyone confirm or correct?

== Unknown Revolver ==

Someone wanted to identify Renner's revolver...I just saw the film, and I think it's Smith and Wesson's new .38 Bodyguard. I swear I saw the top mounted cylinder release when he draws it and places it against the guy's leg.
Here's the gun in question...I've forgotten how to put the picture in, so here's the link: http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bodyguard38_103038_l1.jpg -Anonymous

I think it was a shrouded hammer, like on the S&W m38. And for some reason (don't ask why, it just randomly popped into my head) when I first saw it, my brain screamed "TAURUS". Can't explain, just my first impression.

When Affleck and Renner go to the projects to beat up the two guys who threw bottles at the bank manager/hostage/Affleck's new love interest, Renner shot one of the guys in both of his legs using a snubnose revolver. Anybody know what make and model it was???

It looked like a hammerless Snub nose type of revolver. Taurus Model 65 I believe.

Taurus was my first impression as well. Though I thought it had a shrouded hammer...

Might have been a Ruger LCR

I'm thinking Taurus 651 or 851. Was not hammerless, had a shrouded hammer.

I was thinking that it was more of a Smith and Wesson model 38, maybe model 36 or a small 357 like a 620

:[[Image:Town-38Bodyguard-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Either a Model 38 or 49, methinks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yup.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Unidentified Pistol==

Doug MacRay is seen shooting off a pistol while in a non-functioning train car.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2010-12-09-23h12m08s44.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:The_town.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

it looks like a compact 1911 in some kind of officer's model...possibly a custom Colt with stainless push pins.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't remeber this seen... when did this happen? --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

This was after MacRay went to Claire's home. After she found out that Doug is a suspect.

Is the scene from the extended edition? Cause I watched the movie at least a dozen times over the last day, and I never saw this scene.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 17:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, this a new one on me.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

== SA SA58 OSW Carbine in the opening robbery ==

I think the DSA SA58 OSW Carbine is in the opening robbery scene, carried by the guy who "drowns" the cell phones of the staff.

:That's what I thought, too (I went into the movie having seen the trailer, which has the SA58 being used), but I could've sworn I saw that it had an AR-style 5.56x45mm mag. We'll need to wait until the Blu Ray comes out in order to confirm what it was, though. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

::Just watched the movie. The rifle used by Des in the opening scene is a [[Galil#Galil MAR|Micro Galil]], not the SA58 OSW used by Doug later. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

So who's doing this? Cause I got the DVD of it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:43, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm traveling on Sunday and packing tomorrow, so I won't be able to do it immediately. But I've got the Blu Ray, so I'd prefer I did it (unless somebody else has the Blu Ray and is as careful and thorough at screencapping as I am). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I can get the Blu Ray but if you know me...I might miss something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==Beretta==

Wasn't this a Taurus PT92?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:I thought it was a Two tone Beretta 92FS.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 03:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

::I have the movie on Blu-Ray, and it's a Beretta 92FS Inox. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I thought it was a regular Beretta not an Inox, but I'll watch it again.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Must be thinking of another movie.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not done with my screencapping yet, but I'll go ahead and post this image now:

::[[Image:Town-92Inox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::Enlarge it to full-size if you want to see it better. That is a 92FS Inox. However, the lighting is pretty dim, which makes it a bit harder to tell what kind of finish the gun has. You can tell, however, that the alloy frame is not blued. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe it's the light, but the slide seems black, while the frame is anodized (silver). But it probably has to with the slide being actual stainless (darker more grey), and the frame alloy.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I'm pretty sure it's the lighting that makes it look like the slide is blued. I dunno, maybe my eye sight sucks. I just kinda figured that if the pistol's frame is anodized, odds are at least 90% that the propmaster took a 92FS Inox out of the armory, because those are pretty common. Whereas I haven't seen a reverse two-tone 92FS yet (only the standard two-tone, which has a blued frame and stainless slide). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

::::EDIT: One other thing - my screencaps are always pretty dark (no matter what movie I play). When I saw this movie in theaters back in September, I remember the lighting wasn't quite as dark. Seeing this gun on the big screen, I remember it being a 92FS Inox. And while the Blu-Ray is pretty high-quality, it will never be as high-quality as seeing the movie in a theater. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::The Beretta Inox in [[Predators]] has a dark grey slide with the frame looking light grey or silver. My personal Beretta Inox you can see a color difference between the frame and slide, but it doesn't look two-toned. But both mine and the Inox MPM took are from the early 90s. So maybe the newer ones have a more "two-tone" look compared to the early models.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

==Boston Police Department==
I was wondering if anyone knows of the firearms that a Boston cop is permitted to carry? I have been trying to figure this out for a lot of major citys but no luck. I can't find San Diego, Seattle, New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta. --[[User:24guns|24guns]] 4:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC

:The last time I was in Boston (fall 2007), the BPD officers I saw on patrol at the Head of the Charles Regatta were mostly carrying Glocks and SIG Pros in their holsters. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Atlanta PD was carrying 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson automatics in .40 S&W. Mostly 4006 and 4046. I think they switched though. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 03:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Justified

2010-12-13T23:29:38Z

GaBoy45:

So what gun does Raylin use to shoot Boyd in the chest with?
:He did a brass check on it in the motel room. It looked like a Commander model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys this is a realy good show and i would like to give it a proper paig so if any one could help me prefablery before season 2 that be great . if interested drop me a line on the talk page on my user page . --[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
==Miami gun==
This screen-cap of the gun Raylin uses at the table in Miami at the start of the episode does NOT look like a SIG Sauer P226. It has large square front end, the possibly after-market spring guide rod is stainless and rather large hex; the grip flares above the hand. Other details are a little hard to distinguish, but I think the ID for this prop gun is still unknown. Ideas?
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3390/snapshot20100318023606.png
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 22:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see double stack bulges either. I'm going to covert that pic to JPEG and put it on the main page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Here is the pic converted. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:::This doesn't look like a real SIG to me; it looks like one of the SIG [["Non Guns"]]:

:::[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer Non Gun]]

:::-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Perfect! Here's an animated image I took off the ep. It clearly shows that it's a non-gun. That's why it looks kind of funny, a little like a Glock, some of the parts don't match, and it's way too simplified. Classic non-gun. Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226. And we have another image to add to the non-gun page.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6461/justifiednongun.gif
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
::EXCELLENT! Yes, that tell tale "poof" of the flame and the smoke lacks the 'blast' of a real blank. It's definitely an ISS non-gun. Just remember to list it on the NON gun page as well as the actor page (along with this page). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:::''Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226.''

:::Nope, if it's a Non Gun, then it should be designated as such, and not as a SIG P226. We are trying to be an accurate as possible. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

well first , at the end of "fire in the hole" , at the end he says " a SIG P two twenty six" simmons 8492

==The Promo Gun==
I'm not sure if this related to the topic above but, on the Promo shot for the show, show on the original page on this site, the Sig that he is aiming has quite a large bore aperture. Considering this penchant for larger caliber Automatics, I think it could possibly be a Sig p220 in .45 ACP. Thoughts anyone?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 17:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==End of first episode==
Seriously? They killed the main antagonist in the first episode, now what?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 06:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

He didn't fucking die dude. Raylen just wounded him instead of killing him instantly. He'll be back.-ArmoredMason619

He was alive when they put him in the ambulance and he is on the next episode.-Spades of Columbia

But he took a .45 slug and a load of buckshot to the chest! I bet next episode he's going to be perfectly fine (stupid television)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

She missed, no buckshot to the chest. The have already shown he's in the hurt box but alive. FX tends to be on the level with violence.

He wasn't perfectly fine the next episode. He was in a hospital bed with little movement possible and a button where he can control pain meds. He isn't fine. And just because he was shot with a .45 in the chest doesn't mean much if Raylan didn't hit his heart or lungs. But it did knock the guy down and out of the fight. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Givens shot Boyd centermass, so it's understood from the dialogue of the other characters that Givens missed the heart on purpose out of some sense of loyalty to Boyd. And if you would pay close enough attention to the dialogue and not just the action, many of these simple questions are answered.

==Glock==
I believe that Raylen is carrying a glock 22 and a glock 27 in the second episode. He even makes a reference to The Fugative as he is a US Marshal. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I have yet to get a good enough look at what Type/style/Brand of holster Raylin draws from. Can anyone identify the holster or at least get a good picture of it? [[Spades of Columbia]]

In S1.Ep.10 Raylen tells the judge the he carries a .45 Glock. Wouldn't that make it a 21?
:Just because that's what he says in the show doesn't make it so. The muzzle is what most use to determine what type of Glock, if there isn't a good view of the slide. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but he's saying its a .45 Glock. Now, it could be a G21 or a G37 if it's chambered in .45 GAP -burgershot621

Yeah...because it would be completely normal for a Southern Marshal to carry a .45gap, it would be a ACP if anything. [[Spades Of Columbia]]

In the episode, Raylen states he is carrying a .45 caliber glock. If it were a .45 GAP, he would say GAP. The .45 GAP is farely new, so it is understood that the character is carrying a .45 ACP, seeing as how the majority of the viewers may not be gun hounds like ourselves.-Mr. Peapobdy

Someone has now added the Glock 31 to the page. I'm starting to thing Glock sponsored this show just to advertize their product line.

Alot of the glocks on this page are speculative. For example just because a character on the show verbally says he's using a 45 doesnt mean he is using a real life Glock 21, he might say 45 but is filmed with a glock 17 or 19. Also just because it looks like a .357 sig cartridge doesnt mean its a Model 31 or 32, it might mean that he is using a model 22 with a necked and crimped blank round. They can also use the same gun in multiply seens with diffrent people...for all we know right now they can be passing the same Glock 17 and 26 to all the characters and call them diffrent calibers. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==Kentucky==
: As a former resident of Kentucky, I find Raylin's remarks about having to go back to KY hilarious. It is clearly obvious that he doesn't want to be there, and if you've ever had to live there you'll know exactly why-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think everyone feels that way about one's home state. Besides, there're bad places almost everywhere. Ever been to the backwoods of Florida? It's just like this show.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 04:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't see why he complains so much. I've lived in Kentucky my whole life. I love this place.

==Bulletville==
: Though you'll only see it for a glimpse, it seems as though Ava is using a USPc near the end of the episode, in the cabin. Perhaps Raylan switched his BUG, or just a pick up. Just an added note. [[GWHYSOW]]

I'm not sure where the USP came from, I think Raylan disarmed Bo's thug of it.
Other Weapons were the Revolver & Sniper Rifle used by Boyd. Two other badguys used AK rifles.

I believe the USP came from Bo's guy that was watching Ava in the cabin, then Boyd came through the back door and killed him at which point i believe Ava got the dead man's weapon. [[Spades of Columbia]]

you're right, the USP came from one of Bo's thugs. raylan finishes the fight with his back-up -burgershot621
==Moved from main page==
I hate seeing discussions on the main page do here. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
===Glock 26===
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
The Glock 26 is a subcompact pistol chambered for 9x19mm.

In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility.

-He states that his primary is a .45 Glock. No .45 Glock is this small so it stands to reason that this would be a 9mm because of Armor safety issues. There's no need for it to be a .357. However, from the size, it could easily be a Glock 33 in .357 sig or a Glock 27 in .40 S&W.

(Regarding statement above about there not being a .45 glock in that size) If you don't know anything about glocks, which you obviously don't, keep your statements off the internet. The glock 30 is a compact .45 glock. In the episode "the hammer" he states he has a .45 glock, which means he has...a .45 glock!! Pay closer attention and think before you type on a website that gun-nut cops (such as myself) visit on a daily basis.

If you seriously think that that SUB COMPACT weapon shown below is a Glock 30, then you've never held one. As a Glock 30 is a smaller COMPACT weapon. My personal belief that this is very likely the Glock 39 in .45 GAP, it's size difference being almost negligable when compared to the glock Glock 26. This show obviously seems to be marketing for glock and it stands to reason that his full size weapon is a Glock 37, also in .45 GAP. So keep your big man mouth to yourself mr "cop."--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 15:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that we can all agree that this anon "cop" is just some random kid who's parents don't love him enough.. also, my uncle carries a Glock 37, and off duty he carries a Glock 39.. both are chambered in .45 GAP. Oh, and really quick, "gun-nut cop," if you really were a cop you would know not to tell everyone on the internet, and you would have learned how to control your temper. -PunisherDave

You can clearly see it is not the Glock 30, if you've ever held one. The frame size alone is far too small, Glock 30 holds 10 .45 ACP, the 39 only 6 in GAP. My first statement was that no weapon is ".45 Glock is this small" and while it isn't true, I had considered the Glock 30 a outright saw that this weapon is too small. I also wouldn't carry a Glock 30 in an ankle holster, I believe that's where he kept it.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 00:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to correct myself, I don't think this is a Glock 39, I'm pretty sure that the Glock 39 comes with the newer Slide release, the weapon pictured doesn't.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 02:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:justified_glock26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his backup gun in Episode 2. Looks like a Glock 26. It has the mag boot on it.]]

Could be a 36. Course I'm bad at identifing Glocks. They should show the slide at some point in every show/movie that has Glocks in it, to make the lives of us gun nuts easier. Also, he kept it in the small of his back.-AC

===Glock 21===
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px| ]]

-Possibly a Short Frame model.

Very possibly a Glock 37 in .45 GAP.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 15:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I love how when I suggest that he might be carrying a glock in .45 GAP it's shot down, but the theory has resurfaced numerious times after and now it seems like a credible option for a U.S. Marshall to be carrying one. --burgershot621

I can't think of a Reason why it couldn't be one. He specifically states its a .45 and glock would want to market it over the 21, surely.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 18:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

For the love of God its a tv show...just because a character says he is shooting a .45 does not mean that the shows armour handed the actor a .45 to act with. Number one, where and why would a movie/tv armour buy all but dead calibered hand guns like the 45GAP...and two why would a small town law enforcement agent carrie a hard to get ammoed firearm like the 45gap.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Then by your comment, why do we discuss anything at all on this website? Everything on here is just a movie, t.v. show, or video game. Number one, .45GAP is anything but dead, and U.S. Marshals aren't small town law enforcement. It's a federal law enforcment agency that is part of the executive branch. Doesn't sound small time to me, and sounds like it could stand to reason that it would use a specialized caliber such as .45 GAP. - Burgershot621

Kinda hard to call it a dead caliber when the entire the Georgia State Patrol carry Glock's in 45GAP.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

In the commercial world Yes the 45GAP is dead in the water...Glock themselves are unloading them in hope of getting rid of them at a lower fee, I can buy any model of 45Gap for atleast 20% less then any other model of glock ...because there is NO public demand. Yes, a couple state patrols got bamboozled into issueing them...but do you really think a movie armorer will go out of their way to special order a 45GAP for a TV show and then get specialized blanks for the 45gap..or do you think it is more logical to give the actors another model of glock and just put in the script that it is a 45.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

dunno, there's been some speculation as to the plethora of glocks shown in this show, such as maybe a product placement deal? who knows. i mean, the last time i looked at the actual page it was listed that raylen used a glock in .357 Sig. Why would he switch from a 9mm, to a .357, to a .45ACP? Just something to think about and no one said that the .45 was definately .45 GAP. its just speculation and is not beyond the realm of possibility...

goodwin's law.

In the commercial world? If you are going by the commercial world then the round would have to be no longer produced by any manufacturer to be dead. Federal, Magtech, Remington, Winchester, and Speer are major producers of ammunition and they still see fit to produce the .45 GAP. If major suppliers of ammunition are still producing a round, then it can't be considered dead in the water. As for .45 GAP Glock's being cheaper, its called supply and demand. The .45 GAP was forgotten by a lot of writers when Springfield Armory made their XD in .45 ACP. The same could be said about the .357 Sig. Except for Law Enforcement Agencies, not a lot of people carry or own a .357 Sig. Where I am, pistols chambered in the .357 Sig are somewhat cheaper than .40S&W, .45ACP or 9mm. They is not a great demand so suppliers are focusing more on popular models. I have cousins and know a lot of Georgia State Patrolmen. They didn't get bamboozled into the .45 GAP. They like it. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Justified

2010-12-13T19:08:38Z

GaBoy45:

Talk:Sons of Anarchy

2010-12-13T00:53:41Z

GaBoy45:

==Spoilers==
Thanks for the spoilers all over this page assholes. I came here having seen every episode except for the last one of season 2, thinking there'd be no reason for any spoilers of that particular episode here, I mean what would be the point. What possible purpose is there of spoiling one of the finales on a gun documentation website. But no, once again imfdb proves it's made up of the best and brightest minds of our generation. And what is with the moronic commentary all over the page? I want to know what guns the characters used, not hear your shitty opinions on things.

:Well I'm sorry something got ruined for you. While I watch the show, I've never done any major work on the page, maybe minor edits. I'll see about removing the spoilers (which aren't allowed unless absolutely necessary) and dumb comments. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

::I understand your frustration, but please understand that IMFDB has a "no spoilers" policy (it IS in our rules). The reason those spoilers are on this page is because some anonymous user (like yourself) added those in without reading the rules first, and we didn't notice. There aren't enough Administrators on this site to monitor every page at all times, or the hundreds of edits made every day; we rely on the members to help enforce our rules. So I'd appreciate it if you refrained from acting as though "IMFDB" is responsible for the work of a particular anonymous user or users, especially if you're going to express your frustration with a profanity-laced tirade. It reduces any sympathy I might have had for your grievances. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

==bs==
Could one of you guys that knows how to screencap good pics really well post some pictures on here. That'd be nice.
:Im gonna buy the season 1 dvd when i can, but you need to change the code for the pics from right to none. it'll make the page all pretty. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Has anyone bought the season one DVD of this kick-ass show yet? Can't wait to see all the cool screenshots some of you come up with. Hope to see 'em on here soon.

On 10/13/2009, Jax is seen using what appears to be a customized M1911A1 in a shoulder rig. Does anybody know if this has become Jax's new weapon of choice?

*I have the first season so, if you want, I can cap as much as I can when I can as long as someone else takes care of the layout. Additionally, I do not think the .45 is Jax's new standard. Like most of the characters he seems to use whatever is handy and since SAMCRO has access to quite an extensive selection. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]

:: Am working on capping as much as I can of season 1 and 2...if someone wants to organize them just give me a shout --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the custom 1911 we saw Jax carrying in the episode where he searched Weston's house is his new primary sidearm because it was also seen in the latest episode when he tells Clay to put a bullet in the back of his head.- ArmoredMason619

This are just the first caps. More will be forthcoming. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 15:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kick ass screen caps man. I been waiting awhile for someone to put em up for my favorite show. Hope to see more!- ArmoredMason619

Added more caps and, in my own anal retentive tradition, organized the weapons by class and alphabetically. Got a few more on the way. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Real nice job with the page man. It looks good and some good screencaps too.- ArmoredMason619

== Happy's guns ==
Anyone know what kind of guns Happy carries?

In the episode where Devil's Tribe crosses over he pulls two service size Glocks out of his vest.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what episode this is from, but he's certainly not holding a Glock. Between the sites and upper slide, I'm left with 1911, BHP, or something else...but certainly no tuperware. Which episode is this?
It was in Fa Gaun

I have reason to believe it is a EAA Witness P 45

I think I saw exposed hammers on those two. Any other guess?

I stated that in the episode where the Devil's Tribe was patched over, Season 1 episode 4, Happy used two fullsize Glocks. The picture is from season 2. The picture is probably a 1911 of some sort.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Judging from the sights and from pictures on Happys face book page this is my bet
http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/GunSourceFrontPage/Images/EAA/EAApistol.jpg
[[Image:SOA 47.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Note the gun Happy is carrying, you call that a Glock?!]]

==Edits==
I removed the unidentified .357 from this page. I watched the episode over and over and my best cap allowed no clear identification of the weapon other than it may have had ivory grips and also the fact that it is never really seen clearly again but...you can be the judge. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks a little like a Smith and Wesson k/l frame, short barrel revolver. Check it out, and hopefully you can find the right one. Cheers. - Mcain

[[Image:SOA 46.jpg]]

The 1911 in SOA - most always used by Jax Teller in the second season - is in fact, a Springfield Armory 1911. I believe it to be either modified Mil Spec with Novak Sights, beavertail, flared magwell/MSH, etc, OR more likely, a Springfield Professional (judging by the slanted 'CUSTOM' stamp front right). 12:24, 1 December 2009 - MCain

[[Image:http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PC9111.jpg]]

==Jaxs Glock==
Anyone know what happened to Jaxs Glock?

I am going to assume they issued him the .45 to give him something distinctive like Clay's USP or Bobby's S&W the Glock being a little more generic than the .45. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the Finale==

In S02EP13, agent Stahl is seen using a black on black Kahr PM9 (not the CW9)after shooting Edmond Hayes.

You will also see Polly Zobelle running what looks like a Smith and Wesson 3913, in the same scene.

Also look for Cameron Hayes when he holds up Halfsac and Tara with a Sig 226(R) or 220. - Mcain

There were also a lot of Shotguns.

==Jaxs season 3 gun==
If they follow what they did last season they are most likely going to give a new gun. Any predictions? Also do you think they are going to get rid of his 45?

==Moved from front page==
''It could very well be a Springfield but I could not quite make out the markings. Any assist would be much appreciated. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)''

I believe that its a modified Springfield/Colt M1911A1 the reason for this is because it could very likely be Jax's fathers service pistol from when he was in the military during Vietnam.

In a few of the last episodes of season 2 you can clearly seeit is marked Kimber. It looks like it may be a Kimber Royal II 45 ACP ;)

Sorry but in the last few episodes, specifically the episode when Jax goes into Weston's house only to find his children, you can see the markings on the 1911 very clearly. The marking on the back of the slide is that of a Springfield Armory. The marking on the font of the slide, if you're a Springfield fan, you can tell that it says Springfield Custom. Jax uses a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. Springfield uses clear lettering on their pistols whereas Kimber uses custom cursive, kind of italic.

FRom the Looks of it, i think its a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. I can tell you that its not Jax's Dads Service Pistol form Vietnam because of the sights on the weapon.

it's very clearly a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1
the address... http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/springfieldarmoryprofessional45.jpg

again as i say its possible that is john tellers service pistol considering springfield suppilied the goverment with 45s during vietnam

To whoever is saying that it could be John Tellers service pistol you are dead wrong. And even more wrong about Springfield supplying firearms to the govt in the VN war. Springfield Armory, Inc. didn't exist in any capacity until 1974. That style of 1911 wasn't popular until at earliest the mid 90s and Professional model 1911s are custom built, you can not send them a gun and have it turned into a professional model.[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Springfield Armory has been around long before '74; however, it was not the company that it is today. Though circulation was one of the lowest - along with US&S - the Springfields were around. In the case of Jaxs, it is agreeably a SA Professional straight from the Custom Shop. Same features, along with the 'CUSTOM' rollmark posted front-right. Great weapon choices for the characters -- I especially loved Clay's Expert.

==Season 3 trailer==
Just saw it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmuLQVetvyg
Anyone care to screencap?

==Season3 so far.==

Can anyone please update this page for season 3?

:I could but, frankly, there is not much new so far. Maybe a few new weapons but nothing major thus far. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

We really do need to update this page.

If no one minds I will cap the current season when it ends. I just find it easier to do it all in one shot. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Good to know. [[SAMBAMA]]

==Evils (Possible) Smith==
Look at the image below, this could very possibly me a Smith 6909, like shown. But there is something about the shape of the slide and possibly the size, that leads me to think otherwise. Also, the writing on the slide is much thicker, Possibly a different producer of the same model. Any-one else?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 22:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:SOA_11.JPG|thumb|600px|none|Bobby Elvis with his standard sidearm]]

[[Image:S&W6906LEFT.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Newer Model Smith & Wesson 6906]]

==Hell Followed arsenal==
Anyone know what guns that were on the table?

The only ones I could make out with any degree of certainty was a pair of Mini Uzi's. Opie was handling what looked like a Mossberg 590 or 500 with ghost ring sights.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 13:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Coming Soon ==

The season will be over soon so I can start capping things. As an FYI I can tell you that, among other weapons making an appearance this season are HK MP-5Ks (both the standard and PDW version, HK-91/G3s and M-249 SAWs. Be another week or two but I will have them up ASAP. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Good luck and be sure to througroly cap it. Also can we please update this page and organise it?

==The guns they deal==

Besides the Aks, what other guns do they deal?--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 19:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Glocks and M4's on pilot.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, anything else?--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 21:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

1911's in the bikerolls that they run through Cali. --[[Special:Contributions/99.232.4.148|99.232.4.148]] 01:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok. There were also in the last episode KG-9s, what appeared to be Mossberg M500s, MAC-10s, Remington M870s, and in Patch Over Mossberg M590s.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 03:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

There were also MP-5s, also I have another question, how come they only sold M4s in the Pilot and sold AKs in the rest of the series?--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 03:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the M4s were a custom order from the Niners. The shipments they were getting from the Irish were all AK's so thats what they had to deal. The MP-5's were what the Triads were importing. I would say that they were also dealing Mac-10s also because they had some of those in the warehouse that blew up. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Fallout: New Vegas

2010-11-06T18:19:05Z

GaBoy45:

==Ammunition Types==
I will update the list as I aquire more ammo types
-9mm
9mm+P (More damage, degrades weapon faster)
9mm Hollow Points (More Unarmored damage, useless against armor)
-.357 Magnum
.357 Hollow Points
.38 Special (Less Damage, Degrades weapon slower)
-10mm
10mm Hollow points
10mm Armor Piercing
-.44 Magnum

-5.56x45
5.56 AP
5.56 Hollow Point
5.56 Surplus (More damage, Degrades weapon faster)
.223 (Less damage, Degrades weapon slower)

::.308 (+HP, +AP), 12,7 (prolly .50AE), 40mm grenade (+incendiary), 25mm grenade (+HE), .50 (+HP, AP), 45-70, .22LR (+HP), Mini nuke, Missile (+High Velocity, +HE)
::12 gauge (+bean bag, +slug), 20 gauge (+slug), 5mm (+AP)
:: --[[User:JEESUS|JEESUS]] 12:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher

The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg. David.

==Chey Tac Intervention?==

doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png
]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)

It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it's a PGM Hecate II

Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?

Hmm... the arrow-shape at the front resembles that of a barret .50 cal, but the receiver looks different. maube this is ''based'' off of the barret, but maybe Bethesda changed it a little, like they did with the 10mm hand gun.

==Grenade Rifle==

Yo, the "Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle" is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Best Buy. The normal version will probably be called "grenade rifle" or something

:Seriously, can't they just call it a "grenade launcher"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher

:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.
::You can actually find the Grenade Launcher already and it has a pump action like the China Lake launcher [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== Something from E3 ==

I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Weapon Degneration ==

I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game. That really sucked in Fallout 3. I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally

also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction

I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.

:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too. Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.

What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.

In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== 1887 ==

That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.

-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870

Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.

-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.

Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== Varmint Rifle ==
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3

Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:I may be misunderstanding you, but the 'Varmint Rifle' (The bolt action rifle with the thumbhole stock and long, Ruger Mini-14 looking magazine) isn't the same as the hunting rifle that's going to be chambered in .308. They're two different guns. Here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunting_Rifle_%28Fallout:_New_Vegas%29]] is the hunting rifle, in .308, and here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Varmint_rifle]] is the Varmint rifle, the one being shown in the video, which is a .22. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
: Oh yes, and it has proper sights now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 08:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

At 2:23 the shell being ejected looks way too big to be a .22 --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/Round.jpg
See. Way too big.I'm near sure that it's either not a .22 or the designers made a big mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

They do that a lot in these games. The hunting rifle in Fallout 3 is supposed to be a .32 but when you see it eject it looks like a 5.56x45 at least. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Maybe it was supposed to be a 32 caliber rifle ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I would agree except it shares ammo with the .32 revolver. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

And of course the die hard fans on the Fallout Wiki keep telling me that the shell size doesn't matter. Game developers are lazy bastards... and so are some of their idiot fanboys.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.20.4|184.35.20.4]] 10:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The little queers at the Fallout wikia keep whining "Until the programers say what it is, it ain't [Insert Weapon Name Here]. They can't tell that the "Semi-Auto Rifle" is an M1 Garand because their a bunch of mega-nerds who live in their mother's basement. Look at pictures of them side-by-side and you can tell it's an M1 Garand. Anybody who says that will be flaged as a "FANBOY!" - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 00:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

They think that a .308 M1 Garand doesn't exsist and since it most likely fires .308 it apparently isn't a M1 Garand. They aren't the brightest bunch of people considering they believed the Hi Power was a made up weapon AFTER a real picture of a Hi Power was posted to compare. Some believed it is a 1911.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Could the varmint rifle be a .22-250?It might explain the case size and I would like to point out that all the ejected rifle cases in Fallout 3 looked exactly the same.On the topic of the Hi power,everybody keeps calling it a "Colt .45",I dont see how you get the two mixed up.--[[User:Mr. White|Mr. White]] 19:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I know. I can't keep dealing with those whiny babies... i made an account on there site just to tell them what the guns are but they don't lisson to a damn word. i posted multiple comments on the varmint rifle page yet they reman oblivious... --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.19.196|184.35.19.196]] 20:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
: I don't like their policy either. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to state that 20-gauge shotgun shell is smaller and less powerful than 12-gauge. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 13:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Varmint_rifle#Caliber] One of them found a picture confirming it to be 5.56!! The fanboys should believe me! Time to gloat on the talk page! --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.27.100|184.35.27.100]] 18:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

If it is a 5.56, why the hell did someone say it was a .22 in the first place?--[[User:Mr. White|Mr. White]] 22:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I had too explain to them that the .223 was a varmint round. They ain't exactly geniuses--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.27.100|184.35.27.100]] 00:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the .222 Remington for varmint hunting? .223 Remington is actually a round made for the AR-15 and considered to be in the "High Power Rifle" category. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I've always used the .223 remingington for varminting. My first rifle was a Ruger Number 1 varmint rifle chambered in .223. Maybe it isn't a true varmint round but there sure are a lot of varmint rifles that use it. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.23.187|184.35.23.187]] 20:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Varmint rile was based off of this .22 made by Savage http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/ --[[User:Greywolverene |Greywolverene]]

Maybe. The Fallout wiki people say that varmint rifle was originally going to be a .22, so maybe they took that and just streched out the magazines. The 93 BTVS even has a thumbhole stock, so i assume that was the one you were refering to. --[[Special:Contributions/74.177.187.68|74.177.187.68]] 00:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Varmint rifle looks more like the Anschutz 1417 Thumbhole carbine (http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=95963) or the Anschutz 1517 with a Thumbhole stock (http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Rifle/Anschutz-1517-Wallnut-Thumbhole-gun-for-sale-gs9676.aspx) --[[Special:Contributions/70.27.29.254|70.27.29.254]] 00:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pics of the ammo section ==

I know the quality sucks, but i got some pics of the ammo screen from a leaked vid. I made out 45-70 gov't (hell yeah!), .22lr, .22lr Plinking (so there are apperently diff. types of rounds), .357 magnum, and .50 something. hope these help.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.137.24|74.177.137.24]] 22:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Vid link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Q_JM-ST1s best at about 51 seconds.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0202.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0201.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0200.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0199.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0198.jpg
There is also supposed to be hand loading rounds, but that might just be speculation.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.137.24|74.177.137.24]] 22:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

There is also gonna be an M3 Grease gun chambered in 9mm.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaminoman/Fallout:_New_Vegas_Developer_Diary_2.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.9.27|184.35.9.27]] 22:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown revolver ==
[[Image:ScopedHuntingRevolver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The "Hunting Revolver".]]
[[Image:Sequoia.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The special variant called the "Ranger Sequoia".]]

Looks like an old cap and ball Colt. Reminds me of the ornate SAA's in [[GUN]] [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually no, it's a BFR chambered in .45-70 Govt.

Yeah, that bulky ass cylinder reminds me of the BFR as well.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.187.68|74.177.187.68]] 11:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Pardon my ignorance, but what's a BFR? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 11:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Magnum Research "Biggest Finest Revolver". Its a revolver that tends to be chambered in rifle cartridges.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Or "Big F*** Revolver"!

Well in the recent trailer, they did mention that it's a revolver that fires rifle ammo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed they did, too bad that even if the Single Action Army/Ruger Blackhawk appears it'll all be DA only ingame I guess. With this setting
it'd be awesome to see SA revolvers. --[[User:Xarex|Xarex]]

This video shows a revolver being used in single action. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pax-10-fallout-new/705552 --[[Special:Contributions/74.243.141.29|74.243.141.29]] 01:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Grease Gun ==
Hmm. While it comes in .45 by default, the 9mm chambering isn't farfetched - there were official conversion kits for that. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 10:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:also making is easier on game and the the whole ammo system.

There's a shitload of new ammo types so it's possible they switched to 9mm to make it less powerful by game standards. --[[User:Xarex|Xarex]]

In this pic there is proof of 9mm.
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/IntactGardenGnome/FNV008.jpg
--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.19.28|184.35.19.28]] 23:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

In 1955 an Argentine factory started producing copies of the M3 chambered in 9x19mm and called them the PAM1 (there was a PAM2 which just included a grip safety feature).. identical to the M3 except for the caliber.. --LiquidAcid

== LAPD 2019 blaster from blade runner ==

The new dev diary came out, pistol is at 2:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkALhh82JdI&feature=player_embedded

I saw it and I almost shit myself. The pistol was in Fallout 2 and it wwas an amazing gun. Prolly' the best pistol in the game. Anyway, here a picture of it. [[Image:Bladerunner_Pistol_NV.jpg|500px|thumb|none|A character fires the ?????, which was last seen in Fallout 2.]]

Gun is called "That Gun", being that it is "That Gun from Fallout 1 and 2" --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 11:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== They took out the Semi-auto rifle, but kept in the "This Machine" garand ==

So all the common rifles that looks like the Garand were removed from the final product for some reason, but they still kept for unique one for some reason [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:it like the fallout 3s lincoln repeater, a unique weapon that has not other gun like it. we might see Semi-auto rifle in a DLC.

If you notice on the buttstock if i remember correctly is the words "this machine kills commies" ecthed into it.

== Weapon Updates ==

Holy Hell. The China Lake Launcher is appearing in New Vegas as the "Grenade Launcher" (as opposed to M79, which is dubbed the "Grenade Rifle"). It can be found in Vault 34, Nellis Air Force Base, and on a handful of merchants. In addition, the M733 has been dubbed the "Assault Carbine" and the AR-10 ("Service Rifle") fires only on semi-auto.

It isn't an AR-10, it fires 5.56mm and the magazine is too small for an AR-10 mag [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

As stated on the page already, it's a semi-auto M16A1 with wooden instead of plastic parts. Also, the Assault Carbine is for some reason chambered in 5mm, a cartridge usually used by the minigun. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.57.103|85.3.57.103]] 09:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Some weapons the page is missing:
:12,7mm pistol (must be 12,7x109 since .50 rounds won't fit, then again that's way too big a round for a pistol anyway)
:12,7mm smg (looks a lot like a p90 but the magazine can't possibly fit a 12,7 round)
:10 mm smg
:.50 Anti material rifle (looks like a generic Barrett)
:Sawn off double barrel shotgun (12 gauge)
:Incinerator
:Flamer
:Missile launcher
:Grenade machine gun (25mm)
:All the laser, plasma etc future guns but no one cares about those anyway
::--[[User:JEESUS|JEESUS]] 12:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

As you said, no one cares about the future guns that doesn't fire bullets. The 12.7mm guns arent based on real guns, neither is the 10mm SMG. The Flamer and other weapons like it are not firearms...When we say firearm, we don't literally mean FIRE. The .50 Anti-material doesn't look like a Barret. And the missile launcher is a rocket launcher [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

---http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn35-e.htm
:Funny, I thought this page was about the game and the weapons that appear in it, the 10mm pistol is on the page so what's wrong with adding all the other fictional guns? The post was about what weapons the page is missing, and thusly just a suggestion. You really don't need to get offended and condescending if you feel that the said guns shouldn't be on the page. The missile launcher is called a missile launcher in the game, the game hasn't got a rocket launcher regardless of how the weapon functions. Adding a heading "rocket launcher" to the page wouldn't make any sense. My opinion was that the .50 anti-material rifle looks like a generic barret, but I haven't spent a second looking for a similar rifle on world.guns.ru, I'm sorry if my opinion made you feel uncomfortable enough to get all aggro on a wiki page... and you're right, the Hecate looks a lot more like the weapon in the game. --[[User:JEESUS|JEESUS]] 00:37, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:Look, there's a difference in being "condescending and offended" and telling you the policies and rules of this site. Fictional weapons that can be mistaken for real guns and fictional guns built with a shell to make it look like a future gun is ok because it happens, but on the Star Trek pages, no one's going to put the phasers just because they appear in the movie or TV shows. The site itself is a Firearms database. Since the laser pistol is a...laser pistol, we don't need to waste the bandwidth of the site to put it up. Weapons like the 10mm pistol is a significant piece in the history of the game, so it deserves a mention and the Fallout 3 page, someone pointed out how it's based on the Desert Eagle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

::Now that's more like it, this is how you should have done the first one, if letting me know about the policies was your intention. You're making a point without being condescending e.g. explaining what the term firearm means or flaming over what gun looks like what. --[[User:JEESUS|JEESUS]] 17:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

==Good Job==
Whoever did this page has done a damn good job so far. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Well we just need to replace the png files with our standard Jpeg and I'm working on swapping out weapon images that are just uploaded for this page with files from the weapon pages. At least one of the files someone uploaded was exactly the same as one of the images on the M249 page. other times the images from the weapon pages match the in game images better. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:16, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I really like that the unique variants of the weapons are on the page. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Ruger 22/45? ==

From the grip angle, the "Silenced .22 Pistol" looks more like a Ruger 22/45 than a Ruger Mark II. Discuss?

That and it has a standard mag release. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to agree on that. You can't imagine how pissed i was when i first saw that grip. The Fallout wiki lied!--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.23.10|184.35.23.10]] 14:14, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Brush Gun ==
so I'm looking at this guy http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brush_gun and thinking...Marlin 1895G? The heavy weathering makes it kinda hard to tell, but the capacity, caliber and general shape would suggest it. Thoughts?

Have to agree. Lever action .45-70 with side ejecting. Has to be a Marlin 1895.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 18:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-01T17:11:18Z

GaBoy45:

Not a 1911?
In the new trailer, rick takes the gun from the guy and points it at his head. You can clearly see its not a 1911.

==REMINGTON 870==

The '870' held by Grimes' partner is actually a Mossberg 590. Please update old page. Can't wait for Halloween.--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 20:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::In the shots of the deputy on the roadblock, That's not a 590. The end of the mag tube extension is a Remington. The 590 is held by another character. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

::Please take a look at the mag tube on a factory 590; the Remington is usually a sealed mag tub with the +2 extension. Also note the bayonet lug just behind the mag cap, which has been tapered to accommodate the bayonet itself. To further that, the fore-end is distintly that of a Mossberg, and the heatshield is something rarely seen on a Remington. Last but not least, check out the trigger guard and safety tang mounted on the top of the receiver, as I can assure you this is a 590...though at first glance I would have said 590 as well. Cheers. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 14:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Nothing is distinct on these low resolution screencaps. I will defer judgment until I get a better screencap. For the record, I own both shotguns in that configuration and I held both of them up for comparison. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
== Copyrighted images ==

These are obviously copyrighted images, so they will put here until the okay is given. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Walkingdead1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) restrains a man with [[Browning Hi-Power]] in hand.]]
[[Image:Walkingdead2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px| Right: Sheriff Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) investigates a disturbance with his [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun at the ready along side Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) who is carrying a crossbow.]]

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Patton

2010-10-13T16:48:36Z

GaBoy45:

== Patton's guns and the actual hero guns from ''Patton'' ==
I've been to the Patton museum and seen these handguns. It's a great museum if you ever get the chance.
All photographs courtesy of the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor, Fort Knox, KY.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Holster 02.jpg|thumb|350px|none| General Patton's sidearms and his actual leather gear]]
[[Image:PattonPistol 02.jpg|thumb|none|350px| the top revolver is the prop from the movie. The bottom one is Patton's]]
[[Image:PattonPistol 03.jpg|thumb|none|350px| the top is Patton's registered magnum and the bottom is the hero gun.]]

:- Awesome stuff, Jcordell - Thanks for sharing! [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Glad you liked it. A little more info. The Colt Single Action is serial number 332088. It was manufactured in 1916 and purchased by Patton that same year. I believe it was a special order by him.

The S&W .357 Registerd Magnum was purchased by Patton in 1935 when he was stationed in Hawaii. The .357 Registerd Magnum was strictly customer order only and would have been very expensive for 1935. So that revolver was made strictly for him and all the features (trigger adapter, patridge front sight,3.5" barrel)were what he ordered. The Registered Magnum model was introduced in 1935 which makes Patton's probably one of the first ones made. Patton was actually very well off and sometimes irritated his fellow officers with his luxurious lifestyle. Especially during the depression when money was so tight for many. To include the U.S. Army. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Patton actually bought his Colt Single Action Army when he was serving under General John "Black Jack" Pershing and first used it in the pursuit of Pancho Villa. Patton killed three of Villa's men and brought them back to Pershing. Pershing dubbed Patton his "Little Bandito".[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sons of Anarchy

2010-10-05T13:03:44Z

GaBoy45:

==Spoilers==
Thanks for the spoilers all over this page assholes. I came here having seen every episode except for the last one of season 2, thinking there'd be no reason for any spoilers of that particular episode here, I mean what would be the point. What possible purpose is there of spoiling one of the finales on a gun documentation website. But no, once again imfdb proves it's made up of the best and brightest minds of our generation. And what is with the moronic commentary all over the page? I want to know what guns the characters used, not hear your shitty opinions on things.
:Well I'm sorry something got ruined for you. While I watch the show, I've never done any major work on the page, maybe minor edits. I'll see about removing the spoilers (which aren't allowed unless absolutely necessary) and dumb comments. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

==bs==
Could one of you guys that knows how to screencap good pics really well post some pictures on here. That'd be nice.
:Im gonna buy the season 1 dvd when i can, but you need to change the code for the pics from right to none. it'll make the page all pretty. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Has anyone bought the season one DVD of this kick-ass show yet? Can't wait to see all the cool screenshots some of you come up with. Hope to see 'em on here soon.

On 10/13/2009, Jax is seen using what appears to be a customized M1911A1 in a shoulder rig. Does anybody know if this has become Jax's new weapon of choice?

*I have the first season so, if you want, I can cap as much as I can when I can as long as someone else takes care of the layout. Additionally, I do not think the .45 is Jax's new standard. Like most of the characters he seems to use whatever is handy and since SAMCRO has access to quite an extensive selection. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]

:: Am working on capping as much as I can of season 1 and 2...if someone wants to organize them just give me a shout --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the custom 1911 we saw Jax carrying in the episode where he searched Weston's house is his new primary sidearm because it was also seen in the latest episode when he tells Clay to put a bullet in the back of his head.- ArmoredMason619

This are just the first caps. More will be forthcoming. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 15:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kick ass screen caps man. I been waiting awhile for someone to put em up for my favorite show. Hope to see more!- ArmoredMason619

Added more caps and, in my own anal retentive tradition, organized the weapons by class and alphabetically. Got a few more on the way. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Real nice job with the page man. It looks good and some good screencaps too.- ArmoredMason619

== Happy's guns ==
Anyone know what kind of guns Happy carries?

In the episode where Devil's Tribe crosses over he pulls two service size Glocks out of his vest.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what episode this is from, but he's certainly not holding a Glock. Between the sites and upper slide, I'm left with 1911, BHP, or something else...but certainly no tuperware. Which episode is this?
It was in Fa Gaun

I have reason to believe it is a EAA Witness P 45

I think I saw exposed hammers on those two. Any other guess?

I stated that in the episode where the Devil's Tribe was patched over, Season 1 episode 4, Happy used two fullsize Glocks. The picture is from season 2. The picture is probably a 1911 of some sort.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Judging from the sights and from pictures on Happys face book page this is my bet
http://tgscom.com/images/sharedimages/GunSourceFrontPage/Images/EAA/EAApistol.jpg
[[Image:SOA 47.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Note the gun Happy is carrying, you call that a Glock?!]]

==Edits==
I removed the unidentified .357 from this page. I watched the episode over and over and my best cap allowed no clear identification of the weapon other than it may have had ivory grips and also the fact that it is never really seen clearly again but...you can be the judge. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks a little like a Smith and Wesson k/l frame, short barrel revolver. Check it out, and hopefully you can find the right one. Cheers. - Mcain

[[Image:SOA 46.jpg]]

The 1911 in SOA - most always used by Jax Teller in the second season - is in fact, a Springfield Armory 1911. I believe it to be either modified Mil Spec with Novak Sights, beavertail, flared magwell/MSH, etc, OR more likely, a Springfield Professional (judging by the slanted 'CUSTOM' stamp front right). 12:24, 1 December 2009 - MCain

[[Image:http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PC9111.jpg]]

==Jaxs Glock==
Anyone know what happened to Jaxs Glock?

I am going to assume they issued him the .45 to give him something distinctive like Clay's USP or Bobby's S&W the Glock being a little more generic than the .45. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the Finale==

In S02EP13, agent Stahl is seen using a black on black Kahr PM9 (not the CW9)after shooting Edmond Hayes.

You will also see Polly Zobelle running what looks like a Smith and Wesson 3913, in the same scene.

Also look for Cameron Hayes when he holds up Halfsac and Tara with a Sig 226(R) or 220. - Mcain

There were also a lot of Shotguns.

==Jaxs season 3 gun==
If they follow what they did last season they are most likely going to give a new gun. Any predictions? Also do you think they are going to get rid of his 45?

==Moved from front page==
''It could very well be a Springfield but I could not quite make out the markings. Any assist would be much appreciated. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)''

I believe that its a modified Springfield/Colt M1911A1 the reason for this is because it could very likely be Jax's fathers service pistol from when he was in the military during Vietnam.

In a few of the last episodes of season 2 you can clearly seeit is marked Kimber. It looks like it may be a Kimber Royal II 45 ACP ;)

Sorry but in the last few episodes, specifically the episode when Jax goes into Weston's house only to find his children, you can see the markings on the 1911 very clearly. The marking on the back of the slide is that of a Springfield Armory. The marking on the font of the slide, if you're a Springfield fan, you can tell that it says Springfield Custom. Jax uses a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. Springfield uses clear lettering on their pistols whereas Kimber uses custom cursive, kind of italic.

FRom the Looks of it, i think its a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. I can tell you that its not Jax's Dads Service Pistol form Vietnam because of the sights on the weapon.

it's very clearly a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1
the address... http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/springfieldarmoryprofessional45.jpg

again as i say its possible that is john tellers service pistol considering springfield suppilied the goverment with 45s during vietnam

To whoever is saying that it could be John Tellers service pistol you are dead wrong. And even more wrong about Springfield supplying firearms to the govt in the VN war. Springfield Armory, Inc. didn't exist in any capacity until 1974. That style of 1911 wasn't popular until at earliest the mid 90s and Professional model 1911s are custom built, you can not send them a gun and have it turned into a professional model.[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Springfield Armory has been around long before '74; however, it was not the company that it is today. Though circulation was one of the lowest - along with US&S - the Springfields were around. In the case of Jaxs, it is agreeably a SA Professional straight from the Custom Shop. Same features, along with the 'CUSTOM' rollmark posted front-right. Great weapon choices for the characters -- I especially loved Clay's Expert.

==Season 3 trailer==
Just saw it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmuLQVetvyg
Anyone care to screencap?

==Season3 so far.==

Can anyone please update this page for season 3?

:I could but, frankly, there is not much new so far. Maybe a few new weapons but nothing major thus far. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

==Evils (Possible) Smith==
Look at the image below, this could very possibly me a Smith 6909, like shown. But there is something about the shape of the slide and possibly the size, that leads me to think otherwise. Also, the writing on the slide is much thicker, Possibly a different producer of the same model. Any-one else?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 22:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:SOA_11.JPG|thumb|600px|none|Bobby Elvis with his standard sidearm]]

[[Image:S&W6906LEFT.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Newer Model Smith & Wesson 6906]]

==Hell Followed arsenal==
Anyone know what guns that were on the table?

The only ones I could make out with any degree of certainty was a pair of Mini Uzi's. Opie was handling what looked like a Mossberg 590 or 500 with ghost ring sights.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 13:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2010-10-05T12:58:00Z

GaBoy45:

Am I the only one who thinks this article is arranged in a very confusing manner? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:Hold up... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Better? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I did some cleaning up, but this page still needs a LOT of work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC

Did anyone see the gun stash in the Season 7 episode "Power Down"? There's an MP7, G36, UMP, P90, M16A2, MP5 and many other guns.```

It's looking very much better. This is the only article I've seen on here arranged in such an extremely sloppy manner that it was when I posted my first comment above. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

the rifle gibbs used in the helicopter shot , was a winchester 73 with a vineer sight. you were right it was not a henry.

For the love of God, Can someone get some screenshots?

** Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW unless I am mistaken, that Combat Elite was a Commander Combat Elite, it had a short barrel.

How about you edit it then. Oh btw could you please put some more screenshots in it.

The gun that mike franks uses is a Kimber Warrior. I watched the episode today and I got a glimpse of the grips and magazine. I own one and they both match mine.

==Title change==
Is there any chance this page's title can be changed back to NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service? It hasn't been called Navy NCIS in years. [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]

==Subdivide Category==
The handgun section of this article is exceptionally long and I was wondering whether putting revolvers (at least half a dozen are listed) in a separate category from auto pistols would help make the sectoin appear less bulky. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

That is a very good idea. -[[User: L.J. Gibbs]]

== Sniper Rifle ID ==

Need help ID'ing this rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a Marine Corps M40A3.It is the newer version of the M40A1.

[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They say that Gibbs M40A1 is in a .338 Lapua, which is impossible. The M40A1 was and will always be a short action reviever, it was the M24 that was built on the long action. Is this a mistake of the show itself or a mistake on this web site? [[Spades of Columbia]] Dec 12, 2010

I'm just going by what Abby says near the end of the episode, but she doesn't name any particular rifle. She just says she matched the bullet to his sniper rifle. If your going to have one rifle, why not have two. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

This is from the NCIS wiki about Gibbs rifle ammo "Lapua 308 boat tail, full metal jacket, and molybdenum (or "moly")-coated rounds."

http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs

Now a lapua 308 win would make sense but why even say lapua when its still a winchester round. plus, it doesnt change the fact that this site has a m40a1 marked as a .338 lapua, so if someone could change that this would make the world right again. [[Spades of Columbia]]

It's a .308 Winchester chambered rifle, but the ammunition is manufactured by Lapua.

== SIG 229 ==

I don't have any screencap proof that they've changed over to the 229 in the new season, so I'm going to put this in the discussion until someone can tell me what episode they saw this in. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P229
In season 7 the entire Team switches to the P229 .40 S&W the same model the REAL NCIS use.

[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|7x11, P228 not a P229.]]
Also used in 7x08, 7x09, 7x10 and thats all I have recorded right now. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

that still looks like a 228 to me. the trigger guard looks round, and the slide serrations dont go halfway as does the 229. but thats just me...

That's what I said, though my wording could have been clearer. I've removed the listing until there is proof. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 05:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

oh crap, sorry i totally didn't read anything you wrote earlier. just looked at the picture x] my bad.

==Kel-Tec==
In one episode (I think it was either "Cloak" or "Dagger") Agent Lee threatens a man extorting information out of her with what looked like a Kel-Tec subcompact pistol. Can anyone confirm this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==The M9==
Technicolly isn't the M9 and the Berreta 92 the same gun?

- M9 is the military classification of the 92F Beretta, yes. But the M9 classification is used to refer to the guns actually used by actors representing military personnel, while 92F is used in reference to being used by someone non-military (even though in the case of films/shows, they're always 92Fs/92FSs anyway) In addition, the image thumbnail is of a much newer M9A1 (which has the rail), and is not the same as the base 92F/M9. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, I think.

::Actually, on IMFDB, we just call them all 92F/92FS, even when they're in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel. The reason is that propmasters and armorers in Hollywood only ever use the civilian 92Fs, because the military M9 is almost impossible to find in private hands. And we only care about the behind-the-scenes info, not real life. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Indeed. And I agree, I don't care about real life either. ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Same here. God bless you all.

==Can't sleep==
I suppose there's no real point to this, but did anyone else notice this? Its from 7x08, and that's DiNozzo just of screen by the way.
[[Image:NCIS-7x08-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|What's wrong with this picture?]]
:you mean the Glock? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 18:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I forgot I did this earlier. Yes, only that one single camera angle. I've never understood errors like that. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

At the end of the episode "Ravenous," I believe Tony is yet again holding a Glock. This could be a continuity error or it could be due to the fact that he worked for various police departments before joining NCIS. --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 03:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

In season one, spisode 3 or 4 " The Curse", a gun is seen mounted on the wall at 34:46. Any idea what it is?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 02:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize there's a shitload of guns in that episode right? Happen to have a screenshot? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 20:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You do realize i tolf you exactly when the gun is seen? Find the episode online.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:05, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I never notice any guns the first time. This what you mean? If so, not a clue. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-1x05-1.jpg|thumb|none|225px|Unknown gun from 1x05 ''The Curse'']]

That's it. Looks almost like a P38 sort of. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That's what i thought at first, but the front sight and trigger guard aren't right. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a Luger or Walther prototype. Just a thought. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Belive it's a Grendel P-30 pistol, with slide locked back. (Rusgunnut1)

==Moved from main page==
This is where discussions & comments are supposed to go. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

→IMI Mini Uzi -
I love how in this she goes and sprays rounds around from the hip while her mossad partner uses his P90 like true operator would [[24.17.120.59]]

→Walther P99 -
That is probably the smallest "suppressor" I have ever seen on any gun, I doubt it would do much in the way of sound suppression
[[24.17.120.59]]

What is with the section on the "Fake Glock 18". It either has a selector switch and is a true 18 or it doesnt, at which point it would be a modified 17. "Fake Glock 18" just comes off ignorant and is misleading. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== M40A1 ==
Ari attempts to kill Gibbs with it before Ziva kills him. Ari used .308 Lapua Magnums to kill Special Agent Todd, leading Ziva to remark that "You (Gibbs) used .338 Lapua Magnums when you were a sniper". This is strange because the M40A1 is chambered solely in 7.62X51 NATO cartridge. Another major note is that in the "Kill Ari" two part series, a round is called a .308 Lapua magnum was used, this is not an real round, the round used was likely confused with a .308 winchester, or a .338 Lapua magnum. I like the show, but they have to research their ammo.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Ziva never mentions what caliber Gibbs used, Gibbs himself states it and Ziva replies simply "''That's what you shot as a Marine sniper''"
Prior to this exchange, Gibb's states "''As a marine sniper, I used hand loaded Lapua .308 boattail full metal jacket moly-coated bullets.''" Though recently it has been stated that Gibb's used a .338 Lapua Magnum round to kill Pedro Hernandez in revenge for Shannon and Kelly's deaths. [http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=887] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You really need to know what your talking about to post you know. i watch this show almost religiously. trust me i know hat happens.
Under the M40A1, it claimed that Ari used a .338 Lapua round but in the episode "Kill Ari: Part 1" it states that Ari used a .308 Lapua round. I'm not sure how to go about editing the page and just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Can someone verify and edit for me? --[[User:Stephen87|Stephen87]] 21:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Like stated above the M40A1 is ONLY made in short action and can not possibly ever ever be in a .338 Lapua. Plus, do to the history of that caliber it would not be logical for Ari or Gibbs to use or even get their hands on that type of rifle, it must be a mistake from the show. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The whole deal with the .308 lapua magnum is confusing. 1)There is no such round as a .308 Lapua Magnum. 2) What there thinking of is a .338 lapua magnum for the "Kill Ari" series 3) Gibbs uses a .308s MANUFACTURED by Lapua. not created. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

In the episode "Borderland", Paloma Reynosa gave Abby the round that Gibbs left on the ridge. It said, on the bottom ".338 Lapua"

I know, it was gibbs personal rifle he used to kill Hernandez, not the M40A1. in the future you might wanna get an account or post your name if you want feedback.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Too much info ==
Ducky reviews autopsy results from the crew of the freighter on which Ziva was traveling and mentions numerous "5.7x28mm" rounds in the bodies. While the 5.7x28mm cartridge is the correct ammo for the P90 used by Israel, the bullet in that cartridge is same .224 bullet used in the standard 5.56x45 NATO cartridge fired by the M16, the SIG 550 and dozens of other weapons. How could Ducky know from just the autopsy that the bullets came from a 5.7x28?

-Bullet weight. They are different grain rounds.

-also, don't forget, you can tell what weapon fired the ammo by the rifling patterns.

== Weapons categorization ==

I noticed that someone reordered the handguns alphabetically. Because of the fact the SIG-Sauer P228 is the main handgun used in the series, I just going to put the SIG-Sauer section first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that's how it should be done, it makes sense. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 07:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- Sounds fine to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

==Rule Fifty-One==

I was watching the Season 7 finale the other day and I noticed a few things. There's a really good shot of part of Mike Franks's Kimber near the end; it looks like it has pearl grips, but I couldn't get a screencap. Also the cartel members had at least one G36C in Mexico, and a couple MP5Ks on the runway. Unfortunately I couldn't get screencaps so can someone maybe look into this? Thanks --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 22:01, 9 August 2010

I watched the episode and Franks' gun has crimson trace laser grips in tan. It looked like it had night sights but wasnt a warrior because it didnt have a ambidextrous safety. I think that his gun is a regular custom II with the night sights and the laser grips.

== SMG in Ziva's Flashback in Shalom==

Can anyone ID the SMG used by Ziva in her flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in "Shalom".

It was a [[Micro Uzi]] --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thank you, Crazycrankle.

==Revolver used in Cover Story==

Can anyone ID the revolver used by Landon in "Cover Story"? P.S. Add a screencap with the ID.

==Beretta 92FS Inox==

The "Beretta 92FS Inox" has a finish that's way too shiny to be an Inoxidizable (stainless) finish. It looks to me like it's actually a regular Beretta 92F with an after-market polished nickel finish and pearl (or pearlite) grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Some Unknown Guns==

A few guns that I'm not positive on. They might not be 100% necessary, but here they are:
[[Image:TwilightHK94_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Possibly an HK94 Carbine with a civilian-length barrel and a stock. There isn't a clearer shot than this.]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A snubnosed revolver that Ziva uses to gun down a serial killer while undercover, don't remember the episode but it was in Season 6. The episode is titled "Recoil" --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)L.J. Gibbs]]
[[Image:ZivaRevolver2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above.]]
[[Image:Sxsw_lever_action.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A lever action rifle used briefly in "South by Southwest". Possibly the same one Gibbs uses?]]
[[Image:GCBC_AK74_&Q.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maybe an AKS-74, based on the magazine?]]

Given that AK type rifles were used by all the other terrorists, chance are good it's one of the many types. And the Ziva caps are listed as a Colt Python on the main page, though the listing lacks screencaps. Also you may want better quality screencaps if you want to put any of those on the page. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't have anything better. If anyone else does or can get them it'd be great. That's why I put them here instead. -[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 17:23, 19 August 2010

==Ziva's rifle in 4x14: Blowback==
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a SL8, maybe a Remington 700 or something? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]
Maybe it's a Remington AICS, do you have any other screenshots? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|How's this? Didn't think there was a shot from farther out, I paying attention to the wrong screen when this appeared. Still not very good though. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 09:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)]]

Yeah, it looks a Remington 700PSS.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the episode "recoil" wasnt in s6 it was the 3rd last episode of season 5

== Ziva's Knife ==

What kind of tac knife does Ziva use? It looks like a SOG Tsunami to me, but were those in production when she first appeared (around Season 3's "Silver War")?

It's listed on BladeForums as a Cold Steel Kobun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Frank's Kimber ==

I've been watching for some time now, and have only seen Frank's in 3 episodes. All of these episodes hes' used his Kimber is it just a coincidence or is that his signature weapon like James Bond's is the Walther, and that Dirty Harry's is the .44? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 00:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== McGee is left-handed ==

Is this problematic when using a SIG pistol?

Only when he wants to use the de-cocker...everything else works just fine.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, McGee is left handed. Like me. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 21:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:The de-cocker is a bit of a problem, the slidelock can also be a bit of an issue depending on the size of the shooter's hands. My fingers are a little to long to easily use the P22X slidelock, but I'd imagine that someone with slightly smaller hands could manage it with relative ease.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
I separated the revolvers from the pistols in the handgun section to make the page easier to digest. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:- I don't think it hurts anything. Nice idea, good job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
==Pm12==
The mexican dude used a pm12 of some sort in the latest episode, couldn't distinguish what exactly.

You mean the Beretta M12? I know, I added it. Anyone know what the Mexican drug-dealer lady had?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'm assuming you mean this? And her goons were using 551's. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not a clue.]]

Thats a magnum research micro eagle.
-k9870

Gibbs had that double-barrel shotgun for a second or two as well, and there was a pretty good shot of Franks' Kimber too. --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]]

:Should we put that screencap in the main page? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 05:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No, is very obviously bootleg, which is against site rules. It's been less than a week, so unless you can show me where on the official site it came from, it's bootleg and not allowed on the main page. When the DVD set comes out, it's cool. (Can we screen cap episodes that are available on the CBS webpage?)--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 16:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a very high probability that most, if not all, screen caps from active TV seasons are "bootlegs". The only "legit" options are iTunes and Hulu, the later doesn't meet quality requirements in most peoples eyes. The former is expensive when you already plan on buying the entire season when it's on Blu-ray or DVD. Also, I replaced it with what I believe is an iTunes downloaded version. (I did it on my mum's friends computer, there's no watermarks or anything.) I also got other HD caps from the episode aswell. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

== Smith & Wesson Model 686 (snub)==
[[Image:NCIS12 418.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) points a snub [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]) at Micki Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]])]]
[[Image:NCIS12 419.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Micki's husband David (Sean O'Bryan) tries to talk Greta down.]]
- I believe this gun is actually a Model 66, and not a 686 - The second screencap clearly shows the revolver lacks the full-length 'bull-nose' ejector rod lug/shroud that is on the 686. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==MP-9==
Not to be picky, but should we have the MP-9 from "Legend: Part II" on here as well, since we have the SIG SG 552s and Glock 17 from that episode as well? --[[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 11: 53, 26 September 2010
:Done. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Jericho 941==
Is this a Jericho 941 or another Desert Eagle?
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Neither. The trigger guard has a curve to it; both Eagles have straight guards. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beretta Cheetah springs to mind. [[User:Noe|Noe]] 11:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That was my first thought, but the slide isn't the right shape at the front. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CZ-83

==Sniper rifle used in "Bone Yard"==
Can anyone ID the sniper rifle used in Bone Yard?

== Ziva's backup in "Jack Knife" ==

What compact pistol did Ziva carry in Season 7's "Jack Knife"? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Looks like an AMT Backup. Whether it is the .45 ACP, 9mm, or .380 is beyond me. Can't see the barrel diameter.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Black Lagoon

2010-09-30T15:03:32Z

GaBoy45:

If anyone knows more than me, feel free to add, It's a free wiki site after all.
:'''*Notice* The third season is only going to be available on video, so that it will not be edited for television-S&Wshooter'''

== Unknown handgun ==

I am putting this gun here before I post it in the main page until I find out what it is. Anyone know?

[[Image:BLOVAgun.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

It looks like a Taurus Pt92.

What makes you say that? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:55, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The cocking seration at the rear of the slide looks rather wide.

Then it could just be a Beretta 92 series [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:16, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== OVA 1 ==
add some OVA1 pic,and have a unknow shotgun at OVA1 --[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 18:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Are they GOOD quality? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I have replaced ALL of the OVA caps with my own that are from a high quality 1280x720 H264 AAC version. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

== APS Assault Rifle ==
The APS underwater assault rifle was design to function both above and under water, just as any other projectile weapons designed to function under water (H&K P11 for example can function properly above water, with even better range than under water). Therefore, it's not really strange that Revy was able to fire the APS in the sub.

== MG3 ==
You state in the article that the MG3 was never fired in the show, but actually it was. The Nazis had an MG3 mounted on the side of their ship, and it was used to fire at Revy & Rock when they surfaced.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Desert Eagle ==
just an observation: Yolanda's desert eagly is probly the .357 varient- notice the size of the bore compared to her trigger-finger. unless she had rather large hands (and by large i mean half-inch diameter sausage fingers) it probaly wasnt the .50 action express version. -Dakota the Wolf 01 Sept. 2008
:Never, ever, ever use the term "DEagle" on this sight. That is amatuer gamer slang. It is a Desert Eagle, not a DEagle. It's almost as bad as calling a magazine a "clip". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Chang's Beretta 76s could be back up guns.

wasnt there a desert eagle in the bar shootout in the first episode used by the leader.

== Unknown MG ==
I'm pretty sure it is a member of the DShK family of Russian 12.7mm heavy machine guns.

-Actually, I think it is an NSV heavy machine gun.

== Gepard? ==
Revy's heavy sniper rifle resembles a Gepard pretty clearly in the manga. The anime version doesn't exactly match any of the images I can find of the weapon - possibly the animators aren't very familiar with it either, or maybe they have access to better sources.
==Manga==
: I read the whole of the manga in 2 days(starting yesterday) and My God it was the most amazing comic experience I have yet to experience.I was actually sad when I came to the end of the latest chapter and am now waiting for Rei Hiroe to upload more. -[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::I've been reading the manga too. This is a great series [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's pretty good, though I prefer Gunsmith Cats.-protoAuthor
I've only had a couple issues between the Manga and the Anime. the Anime has everything out of order and there are guns that are in the Manga that are subsequently not in the Anime. Like the PT92 that Revy uses after onew of her Cutlasses are cut in half. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Guns ==

Hey, I recently watched the series, and noticed some guns not present in this list.

Glock - used by bounty hunters/mercenaries, most clearly seen in the part where the bounty hunters are chasing the counterfeiter and during the ensuing gunfight on the PT boat.

Browning HP type handgun- used by Yakuza, possibly other characters -seen clearly in the last episode where it's the first handgun Kosa's bodyguard hands over to Balalaika's bodyguard. Strangely it changes into a Sig Sauer P226 when he hands it over, though!

Makarov PM - used by Balalaika's bodyguard Boris and several other Hotel Moscow soldiers when they don't have AK's.

Mossberg 590 - used by the first bounty hunter to break into the counterfeiter Jane's hotel room, and a few others. Clearly a Mossberg 590 due to the barrel shroud and tang safety (which oddly looks like a hammer to a Henry lever action rifle or something, rather than the real life safety).

Remington 870 with extended magazine - used by various thugs in the series, in addition to Marine Magnums like the one Dutch uses.

Winchester 1300 Defender/Ithaca 37 with extended magazine (?) - used by Yakuza in the bowling alley.

M249 Para(?) - when Roberta drops her suitcase machine gun, it opens and for a brief second one can see a machine gun of some sort inside. It looks to me like a Minimi/M249 Para.

NSV machine gun - the heavy machine gun used by Hotel Moscow to shoot at Hänsel and Gretel is one of these, I believe.

there was a norinco type56 with synthetic furniture in episode three.

a browning m2 on a dual mount in episode three.

== What is this? ==

Got another gun. Can anyone ID [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:BLreva.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

This picture is far to simple for it to be identified. It could be any number of revolvers.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== M249 ==

I believe there's an M249 inside Roberta's suitcase

[[Image:BLM249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
I think it was P90's in the manga

There is also a Benelli M4 at the bottom.

looks like a Defense Technologies 37mm Gas Gun is in the bottom of the case
----
"Rugers are seen as "bottom of the barrel" handguns." - According to what uneducated individual?

This one. Not originally but I don't have a high opinion of them. Course their not as bad as a fucking Hi-point or some shit, i'd just rather have an M1911A1. Or a beretta 92FS. Or a Sig. Or an H&K.--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 01:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

If the one on top is an M249, it rivals an AKSU is length. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

== The "AMT long slides" ==

Couldn't they just be long barreled Custom M1911s like James Caan had in Thief?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 01:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

==Sistema?==
There is no proof that her guns are Sistemas. Just because she is from South America doesn't mean she is not using one of the millions of M1911/M1911A1 pistols that are all over the world. This puts an obscure M1911 variant onto IMFDB with the thinnest of excuses. Please tell me there is more proof in the show as to what these pistols are. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

:Honestly, I don't know where I got the impression that they were Sistema 1911s. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:: I believe it says such in the manga.-protoAuthor 07:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::: At some point in the manga, you can see stamping on the supposed Sistemas' slides. I don't know guns well enough to tell by slide stamping, but the crest didn't look like the writing on the slide of the pictured Sistema.

:Do you know which chapter and page we see these markings. Since the anime is based on the manga, it should be exactly the same. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::http://www.onemanga.com/Black_Lagoon/4/01/ http://www.onemanga.com/Black_Lagoon/4/10/

Well, there's the proof. And since the Anime is based off the manga, it should remained classed as Sistemas. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
:I'm new at this gun classification business, but I've been searching around and have yet to find a single Sistema pistol with slide markings that looked like that. I found some with crests, but they were located only on the right side of the pistol, between the text and the slide serrations. The manga shows a crest I can't identify towards the front of the slide, and I can't read the text on those scans. I really don't think they're explicitly Sistemas, though feel free to prove me wrong.

I believe I read somewhere that Roberta used Argentinian Ballester Molina's, but I do not remember where I read that.

==Annoying Picture Captions==

Well I hope the title speaks for itself, but at any rate can the picture captions be fixed to something relevant to guns? Humor is alright in my book but the captions are just plain annoying and unnecessary.

Well I agree SOME of the captions are a bit long to be funny, but I think most of them are ok. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:They kind of fit with the whole show's attitude, really.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 05:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

:And besides, they make me laugh. That's A+ in my book. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

==Pistolet Maszynowy wz.63 AKA PM-63 Submachine gun==
Guys, You know "Pistolet Maszynowy" in Polish mean "Submachine gun"...

==More Guns ==
In the second episode rock uses a Webley & Scott WWI Signal Pistol, and in episodes three and fourteen there are M2 Browning machine guns both single and in the twin mounted variant.

:I thought there is a picture of dual mounted M2s. I forgot about the flare pistol Rock used in episode 2. I didn't really see that as a firearm [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

== no Beretta==
Revy is the only charter in the Anime using Beretta 92FS. Rex 095

Mr. Chang wields two Beretta 76 .22 LR claiber handguns in the manga in stade of Colt .45s.

he could use .22 claiber handguns so show how good of a markman he his to kill someone with one shot form a small claiber gun.

Or the creator behind the picking of the guns didn't know a .22 with a 9mm. But getting shot with a .22 and dying from it is a harder death [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Chang uses the Beretta 76's as his main weapon throughout the manga, the 1911's he uses in the one shootout are his bodygaurds backups. Rei Hiroe, the manga creator, knew that they were .22s from the beginning. It is mentioned in a later manga chapter, not released in the U.S. yet, that a couple of years before the manga takes place he and Balalaika had a shootout and she mentions getting hit with several .22 rounds.

: I know, I read the manga, translated online. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== No manga ==

Until they make another season, do not post manga shots of guns that have not been in the anime so far like the grenade launcher and shotgun of the other maid. I have a manga shot of Roberta's spas-12 because I havent found a good shot of it in the Anime [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

: Why not? Who made you pope of wiki-town?

::He IS one of the admins, and there is a long-standing no print media rule. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

: Well, that's a fucking retarded rule. There's tons of gun-heavy comics, mangas and books out there that could use this kind of treatment. Ever read a detective novel and wonder what the main character's gun's supposed to look like? Ever read a manga and wonder if that thing in the character's hand is real or just imagined by the artist?

::Hey [[Special:Contributions/72.244.206.60|User 72.244.206.60]]! Guess what? I don't care what rules you think are retarded or not. If you really want a Manga site then create your own Internet Manga Firearms Data Base then. Until then, dial back on your attitude or else. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC) (Another ADMIN here).....

But this site is Internet Movie Firearms Database. It implies movies, TV, anything on the screen, which can include games. Not books and manga. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Picture Error==

The second picture under the CZ-75 is incorrectly labeled as Takenaka shooting at Ibraha. He is in fact shooting at Revy during that scene.

== Hand Grenade ==

What kind of hand grenade is that appears in Episode 11?
Mr. Chang kicks it back to the throwers in the gunfight with the militia men... [[User:Flinx|Flinx]] 20:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Revy's Berettas ==

I was rewatching the anime the other day and in the opening credits there is a view of Revy's Berettas and the markings say 92F not FS.
:The problem is the the only Inox that is listed is the FS one. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:52, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

There was never a 92F offered in stainless steel, the only stainless Beretta 92 Series pistols are post 92F. It can be assumed that her pistols are stock Beretta 92F's that have just been heavily customized and finished with either nickel or chrome plating (the have never declared the guns were stainless steel in the anime as far as I can remember so that is still possible). This theory is further strengthened since her guns don't possess factory style rollmarks (which makes sense since they don't have factory length slide assemblies), and she refers to one of them as "a Beretta M92 Custom, the Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special" at the end of Episode 23. Either it is a custom gun from the ground up, which isn't too farfetched, or it's an error on the animator's and Hiroe's part (who based the guns on the Taurus PT92s from Romeo + Juliet) which seems more likely. Still, the customization thing is a good and solid explanation of why they say 92F and not 92FS. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 06:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So what should we call Revy's gun? A Custom 92? 19:08, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

That is a problem. Should we link it to the 92F with a note that it is probably chrome or nickel plated? [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I would do that, and keep the Sword Cutlass image up there as well. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 05:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Missed Guns ==
I spotted a few guns not in the article, both from Season 2 Episode 2. Hansel carries a pair of what I think are Smith and Wesson Bodyguards in a dual shoulder rig under his coat, and Verrochio draws a Beretta 92 at one point when confronting the Twins. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 23:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Technically the second season is lumped in with the first, so I am assuming you are talking about the 14th episode. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

And looking at them now, they seem too small to be S&W Bodyguards and Verrochio doesn't look like he's holding a 92. Caps are below to compare. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BLS&Wguns.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Image:BLSVerrgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

I don't know. They look an awful lot like S&W Bodyguards but could also be Centennial models. As for Verrochio's gun looks like a Taurs PT-92 to me. Looks like it has a frame mounted safety.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 05:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The slide doesn't fit the profile of a 92. Look at Revy's gun and compared it to this gun. It's too flat and we don't see the smooth exposed barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The very end looks like a nubbin of an exposed barrel along with the slide shape, and cocking serrations looks like maybe a poorly drawn version of the PT-92. It just doesn't look enough like anything else to me. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Black Lagoon

2010-09-30T05:32:59Z

GaBoy45:

Talk:Body of Lies

2010-09-22T17:05:42Z

GaBoy45:

== I got this ==

I got dibs on this when the DVD comes on next week. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

british swat is S.A.S you stupid fucking moron
:Hey, be nice. and the British SAS is a military force, not a police force. SWAT trains to save lives, SAS kills everything in sight. Why don't you look up Specialist Firearms Command and get back to me. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

:Who's the stupid moron now? As Winchester said, the SAS is special forces of the British military, CO19 is technically what they call SWAT in England. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::CO19 is only responsible for the Greater London area since it's a unit under the Metropolitan Police Service. Other UK police tactical units has different names for their armed response units.
:::That still proves the points me and Winchester said, SAS isn't British SWAT or a SWAT team at all [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Gun in the Poster==

Anybody know what gun is DiCaprio holding in the poster ? [[User:AceV|AceV]]
::It looks like a Browning BDM, but the shot is blurred. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==CIA side arm==
dose CIA agents carry a side arm, or do they carry what ever they want?

Neither. Agents that require firearms carry what suits the mission best. They could be what they were most comfortable or capable with or it could be what they know will get the job done. In some cases it might just be what's on hand at the time. They're not a formal military so they dont need to play by the rules of defense contracts and military munitions suppliers.
-Double Agent M

We can assume they have a standard sidearm for guys back home and those who just walk around in plain clothes but for actual missions, we can assume it's whatever they want. It's the CIA, we're talking about. It's like asking could Delta, or SEALs get whatever they want during missions. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

In an article in Shotgun News, a soldier who had just returned from Iraq and wrote an article on the CZ-75 due to his getting to examine one that was carried by some CIA agents he knew in the Green Zone. He said that I lot of them carried them because they were reliable smaller than the Beretta 92F series and used the commonly found 9mm cartridge. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Town

2010-09-15T00:56:40Z

GaBoy45:

Talk:M1911 pistol series

2010-08-05T00:17:03Z

GaBoy45:

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:DanWesson1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dan Wesson "Panther" 1911 - .45 ACP. A Dan Wesson copy of the M1911A1, note external extractor.]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). Though the slide is marked "Mk IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame. ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated Titanic M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Strayer-Voigt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide - .45 ACP with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]''.]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP. This is an airsoft replica of the real model.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:MGCM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MGC Replica M1911A1]]
[[Image:Bruni8mmM1911BlankGun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni 8mm M1911 Blank gun]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of Cobra's Colt GC National Match - .9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Image Sizes==
The dimensions on a lot of the images are rather large. I'm tinkering with reducing them by 100 pixels each for the sake of conserving page length. Since a lot of people here are familiar with the wiki technology, they know they can click on the images to enlarge the images if they wish.

[[Special:Contributions/68.167.206.53|68.167.206.53]] 04:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

: Please don't change the page format. Everything works together now and it took me a long time to fix. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 02:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
::Uh sorry, but it's FUBARed again. I am going to try a weird little formatting trick, please bear with me [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Hold on, I'm gonna see if I can make this work out better... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, I have fixed it. From now on, it won't matter if anyone hits "Edit" to one pistol (instead of the whole page); the edit won't remove all the other paragraph spaces automatically (which is what was causing the problem). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==WHO KEEPS ON F#$%KING WITH THE FORMAT?==
I noticed yet AGAIN, the pictures are not aligning with their sections. We need to tell these anonymous members not to mess with a page's format if they don't know what they are doing!!!!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added a new category (Imbel 1911), but I'm not able to properly aling the picture of the gun with its section. Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong? (and help me to fix it, please)
:Sign your posts. Also, what you did isn't a category. It's a Section.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::Looking at the section, the picture is alinged. I don't see anything wrong.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:Actually I aligned it later.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of atleast 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:M1911 pistol series

2010-08-04T22:52:26Z

GaBoy45:

Talk:M1911 pistol series

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:DanWesson1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dan Wesson "Panther" 1911 - .45 ACP. A Dan Wesson copy of the M1911A1, note external extractor.]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). Though the slide is marked "Mk IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame. ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated Titanic M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Strayer-Voigt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide - .45 ACP with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]''.]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP. This is an airsoft replica of the real model.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:MGCM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MGC Replica M1911A1]]
[[Image:Bruni8mmM1911BlankGun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni 8mm M1911 Blank gun]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of Cobra's Colt GC National Match - .9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Image Sizes==
The dimensions on a lot of the images are rather large. I'm tinkering with reducing them by 100 pixels each for the sake of conserving page length. Since a lot of people here are familiar with the wiki technology, they know they can click on the images to enlarge the images if they wish.

[[Special:Contributions/68.167.206.53|68.167.206.53]] 04:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

: Please don't change the page format. Everything works together now and it took me a long time to fix. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 02:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
::Uh sorry, but it's FUBARed again. I am going to try a weird little formatting trick, please bear with me [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Hold on, I'm gonna see if I can make this work out better... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, I have fixed it. From now on, it won't matter if anyone hits "Edit" to one pistol (instead of the whole page); the edit won't remove all the other paragraph spaces automatically (which is what was causing the problem). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==WHO KEEPS ON F#$%KING WITH THE FORMAT?==
I noticed yet AGAIN, the pictures are not aligning with their sections. We need to tell these anonymous members not to mess with a page's format if they don't know what they are doing!!!!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added a new category (Imbel 1911), but I'm not able to properly aling the picture of the gun with its section. Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong? (and help me to fix it, please)
:Sign your posts. Also, what you did isn't a category. It's a Section.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::Looking at the section, the picture is alinged. I don't see anything wrong.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:Actually I aligned it later.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of atleast 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:M1911 pistol series

2010-08-04T21:15:02Z

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:DanWesson1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dan Wesson "Panther" 1911 - .45 ACP. A Dan Wesson copy of the M1911A1, note external extractor.]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). Though the slide is marked "Mk IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame. ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated Titanic M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Strayer-Voigt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide - .45 ACP with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]''.]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP. This is an airsoft replica of the real model.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:MGCM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MGC Replica M1911A1]]
[[Image:Bruni8mmM1911BlankGun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni 8mm M1911 Blank gun]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of Cobra's Colt GC National Match - .9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Image Sizes==
The dimensions on a lot of the images are rather large. I'm tinkering with reducing them by 100 pixels each for the sake of conserving page length. Since a lot of people here are familiar with the wiki technology, they know they can click on the images to enlarge the images if they wish.

[[Special:Contributions/68.167.206.53|68.167.206.53]] 04:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

: Please don't change the page format. Everything works together now and it took me a long time to fix. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 02:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
::Uh sorry, but it's FUBARed again. I am going to try a weird little formatting trick, please bear with me [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Hold on, I'm gonna see if I can make this work out better... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, I have fixed it. From now on, it won't matter if anyone hits "Edit" to one pistol (instead of the whole page); the edit won't remove all the other paragraph spaces automatically (which is what was causing the problem). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==WHO KEEPS ON F#$%KING WITH THE FORMAT?==
I noticed yet AGAIN, the pictures are not aligning with their sections. We need to tell these anonymous members not to mess with a page's format if they don't know what they are doing!!!!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added a new category (Imbel 1911), but I'm not able to properly aling the picture of the gun with its section. Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong? (and help me to fix it, please)
:Sign your posts. Also, what you did isn't a category. It's a Section.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::Looking at the section, the picture is alinged. I don't see anything wrong.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:Actually I aligned it later.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of atleast 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. For the following I am referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Beretta 92 pistol series

2010-08-03T15:30:53Z

GaBoy45:

'''The Beretta 92 and variants are used by the following actors in the following movies, TV series, anime, and video games:'''

''NOTE: In the past, the Beretta 92F and 92FS have often been misspelled on IMFDB as "M92F" (as this page was originally titled), "M92FS", or "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". '''These are incorrect spellings'''; the correct versions are '''"Beretta 92F"''' or '''"Beretta 92FS"'''. Please do not use any of the mis-spelled versions on any future pages, and please correct older pages with this error.''

==Specifications==
(1975-present)

'''Type:''' Pistol

'''Caliber:''' 9x19mm (92 series), .40 S&W (96 series), 9x21mm IMI (98 series)

'''Capacity:''' 10,11 (96 series) 10,12 (90-two) 10,15,17,20 (92&98 series) 10,13 (Compact L) 8 rounds (Compact M)

'''Fire Modes:''' Semiautomatic

== Beretta 92F/FS ==
Also known as the M9 in U.S. military service (''however, there are few - if any- actual "M9s" seen in movies and TV shows; property masters and armorers always use the civilian 92FS, even when the pistols are seen in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel''). Four out of five branches of the military issue the Beretta M9; all five did until 2006 when the USCG adopted the [[SIG-Sauer P229]].

Keep in mind that the Brazilian [[Taurus PT92]] and [[Taurus PT92#PT99|PT99]] are also used to stand-in for the Beretta 92F in some movies and TV shows, when the Beretta is not available. For a description of the visual differences between the Beretta and the Taurus, visit the Taurus PT92 page.

[[Image:Beretta92F LeftSide.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm. The cosmetic differences are very slight and hard to see. Most of the changes are the inner workings of the gun.]]
[[Image:Beretta92F EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|350px|right|(Beretta 92F (Early Model) - 9x19mm (Other side showing "92F" on slide) Other than the slim grip covers (the 92F is slightly different with a gloss black plastic, versus the 92FS) the pistol is difficult to tell apart from a 92FS. The only real proof is the year a movie was made and whether or not the 92FS existed yet.)]]
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Beretta_two_tone-1-.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Prototype two tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. (This was a prototype before making an all American Beretta two tone pistol.]]
[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Two Tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. This has a Stainless Slide on a standard Frame & Barrel.]]
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS. ''Note nomenclature on slide distinguishing this from a standard civilian Beretta 92FS''.]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="175"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Desperate Hours]] || [[John Finn]] || F.B.I. Agent Lexington || . || 1990
|-
| [[Narrow Margin]] || [[Gene Hackman]] || Dept. DA Robert Caulfield || . || 1990
|-
| [[Jesse Stone: Thin Ice]] || [[Kathy Baker]] || Officer Rose Gammon || . || 2009
|-
| [[Jennifer Eight]] || [[Andy Garcia]] || Sgt. John Berlin || . || 1993
|-
| [[I Am Legend]] || [[Will Smith]] || Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville || . || 2007
|-
| [[Heat]] || [[Mykelti Williamson]] || Sgt. Drucker || . || 1995
|-
| [[Abominable]] || various || Flatwoods Police Dept. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Heat]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || 1995
|-
| [[Taken]] || [[Liam Neeson]] || Bryan Mills || . || 2009
|-
| [[La Haine]] || various || Undercover Officers || . || .
|-
| [[Teen Agent]] || [[Richard Grieco]] || Michael Corben || Promotional shots || .
|-
| [[16 Blocks]] || various || Assassins || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || [[Jason Bose Smith]] || Little Henry || . || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || . || carjacker || . || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || various || LAPD officers || . || .
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || various || U.S. Army Rangers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] || Connor MacManus || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[Norman Reedus]] || Murphy MacManus || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[David Della Rocco]] || Rocco ("the Funny Man") || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Bourne Supremacy]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || . || .
|-
| [[The Bourne Ultimatum]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || . || .
|-
| [[Darkman III: Die Darkman Die]] || [[Nigel Bennett]] || Nico || . || .
|-
| [[Desperado]] || [[Diego Sandoval]] || Empty Gun Man || fitted with suppressor || .
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Alan Rickman]] || Hans Gruber || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Alexander Godunov]] || Karl || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || . || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard 2]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || . || 1990
|-
| [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || . || 1995
|-
| [[Face/Off]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Castor Troy || . || .
|-
| [[Face/Off]] || [[Dominique Swain]] || Jamie Archer || . || .
|-
| [[Get Carter (2001)]] || [[Sylvester Stallone]] || Jack Carter || . || 2001
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Tequila Yuen || . || 1992
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Tony Leung]] || Alan || . || 1992
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Mark Gor || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Ti Lung]] || Sung Tse Ho || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Waise Lee]] || Shing || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Leslie Cheung]] || Sung Tse Kit || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || various || Triad gang members || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Ken Gor || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Ti Lung]] || Sung Tse Ho || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Leslie Cheung]] || Sung Tse Kit || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Dean Shek]] || Lung Si || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Fui-On Shing]] || Ko's Right Hand Man || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Ming Yan Lung]] || Chong || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Shan Kwan]] || Ko Ying Pui || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[The Killer]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Ah Jong || 92F || 1989
|-
| [[The Replacement Killers]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || John Lee || . || .
|-
| [[The Corruptor]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Detective Nick Chen || . || .
|-
| [[Hollywood Homicide]] || [[Josh Hartnett]] || Detective K.C. Calden || . || .
|-
| [[In China They Eat Dogs]] || [[Kim Bodnia]] || Harald || . || .
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || [[Adam Baldwin]] || Major Mitchell || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || various || U.S. military and Secret Service personnel || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || various || U.S. Marines || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || . || 1989
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || [[Rene Russo]] || Sergeant Lorna Cole || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 4]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || fitted with a laser sight || 1998
|-
| [[Leon (The Professional)]] || [[Jean Reno]] || Leon || Customized with Compensators & suppressors || .
|-
| [[Lord of War]] || [[Jared Leto]] || Vitaly Orlov || . || .
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || [[Vin Diesel]] || DEA Agent Sean Vetter || . || .
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || [[Larenz Tate]] || DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks || . || .
|-
| [[The Matrix]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || . || .
|-
| [[The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || . || .
|-
| [[Rush Hour]] || [[Jackie Chan]] || Chief Inspector Lee || . || .
|-
| [[Rush Hour]] || various || FBI Agents || . || .
|-
| [[Savior]] || [[Dennis Quaid]] || Guy || . || .
|-
| [[Savior]] || [[Stellan Skarsgard]] || Peter Dominic || . || .
|-
| [[The Siege]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Spider-Man]] || various || N.Y.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || . || Montel cronie || fitted with suppressor || .
|-
| [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] || [[Robert Patrick]] || T-1000 || . || .
|-
| [[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] || [[Kristanna Loken]] || T-X || . || .
|-
| [[Three Kings]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Training Day]] || [[Ethan Hawke]] || Officer Jake Hoyt || . || .
|-
| [[Underworld]] || [[Kate Beckinsale]] || Selene || fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto || .
|-
| [[Volcano]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[xXx]] || . || N.S.A. agent posing as a robber || . || .
|-
| [[X-Men]] || various || N.Y.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[The Big Hit]] || [[Lou Diamond Phillips]] || Cisco || . || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Sean Connery]] || John Patrick Mason || FS standing in for M9, fitted with a tactical flashlight || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed || FS standing in for M9, fitted with a tactical flashlight || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || various || U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S. || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Phantoms]] || uncredited || Deputy Paul Henderson || . || .
|-
| [[Lions for Lambs]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Demolition Man]] || [[Sylvester Stallone]] || John Spartan || . || .
|-
| [[The One]] || [[Jet Li]] || Gabriel Law || . || .
|-
| [[Above the Law]] || [[Steven Seagal]] || Nico Toscani|| . || .
|-
| [[Vantage Point]] || various || Police officers || . || .
|-
| [[Get Smart]] || [[Steve Carell]] || Agent 86 || . || .
|-
| [[Enemy of the State]] || [[Scott Caan]] || Jones || . || .
|-
| [[Battle Royale II: Requiem]] || various || Japanese soldiers || . || .
|-
| [[Blue Streak]] || [[Martin Lawrence]] || Miles Logan || . || .
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 3]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || . || .
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || various || U.S. Marines || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Ghosts of Mars]] || [[Clea DuVall]] || Officer Bashira Kincaid || Two Tone || .
|-
| [[The International]] || [[Clive Owen]] || Louis Salinger || . || .
|-
| [[Jingle All the Way]] || various || Minneapolis P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Day the Earth Stood Still, The (2008)|The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)]] || . || New Jersey state trooper || . || .
|-
| [[Traitor]] || [[Saïd Taghmaoui]] || Omar || . || .
|-
| [[Strange Days]] || [[Angela Bassett]] || Lornette 'Mace' Mason || . || .
|-
| [[Strange Days]] || [[Michael Wincott]] || Philo's man || . || .
|-
| [[The Sentinel]] || . || An assassin || fitted with a suppressor || .
|-
| [[Unknown]] || [[Chris Mulkey]] || Detective James Curtis || . || .
|-
| [[Unknown]] || [[Clayne Crawford]] || Detective Anderson || . || .
|-
| [[Dreamcatcher]] || . || Truck driver || . || .
|-
| [[Dragon Wars: D-War]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Gabriel]] || [[Andy Whitfield]] || Gabriel || dual-wielded with suppressors || .
|-
| [[Quantum of Solace]] || various || corrupt police officers || . || .
|-
| [[Mad Money]] || various || Kansas City Police officers and detectives || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || [[Jason Statham]] || Chev Chelios || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || [[Art Hsu]] || Johnny Vang || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[MR 73]] || . || French national police officer || . || .
|-
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Esai Morales]] || Staff Sergeant Stern || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Needful Things]] || [[Ed Harris]] || Sheriff Pangborn || . || .
|-
| [[State of Grace]] || [[Ed Harris]] || Frankie || . || .
|-
| [[Red Heat]] || [[Tengiz Borisoff]] || Josip Barada || 92F || .
|-
| [[Nemesis 2: Nebula]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Nemesis III: Prey Harder]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Nemesis 4: Death Angel]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The|The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada]] || [[Barry Pepper]] || Mike Norton || . || .
|-
| [[You Kill Me]] || [[Ben Kingsley]] || Frank Falenczyk || . || .
|-
| [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS|Brother 2]] || [[Viktor Sukhorukov]] || Victor Bagrov || . || .
|-
| [[Brother 2#Police weapon on Viktor's detention|Brother 2]] || various || American cops || . || .
|-
| [[Species]] || [[Ben Kingsley]] || Xavier Fitch || . || .
|-
| [[Species]] || [[Michael Madsen]] || Preston Lennox || . || .
|-
| [[Nothing But Trouble]] || || || || 1991
|-
| [[Extreme Prejudice]] || [[Larry B. Scott]] || Sgt. Charles Biddle || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]] || various || FBI Agents || 92F (continuity error) || 1988
|-
| [[Hidden, The|The Hidden]] || [[Ed O'Ross]] || Detective Cliff Willis || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[Ticker]] || [[Milos Milicevic]] || Milos || || 2001
|-
| [[Ticker]] || || San Francisco P.D. Officers || || 2001
|-
| [[Beyond the Law]] || [[Leon Rippy]] || Virgil|| . || 1992
|-
| [[Beyond the Law]] || [[Michael Madsen]] || Blood|| nickel plated, wood grips || 1992
|-
| [[Evolution]] || [[Seann William Scott]] and various || Wayne Gray/U.S. Army personnel || Standing in for M9 || 2001
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || Homeowner || [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] || With two-tone finish || 2000 - ????
|-
| [[Nikki Amuka-Bird]] || Samantha Willis || [[Survivors]] || || 2008 - 2010
|-
| [[Julie Graham]] || Abby Grant || [[Survivors]] || || 2008 - 2010
|-
| || || [[Bugs]] / "A Sporting Chance" || || 1995 - 1999
|-
| || Arizona State Trooper || [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || || 1994
|-
| [[Jonathan Togo]] || Ryan Wolfe || [[CSI: Miami]] || || 2002 - ????
|-
| [[Tom Sizemore]] || Private Investigator Kurt Rossi || [[CSI: Miami]] / "Down to the Wire" || || 2002 - ????
|-
| [[Jason James Elliott]] || Lt. Cmdr. Harmon "Harm" Rabb, Jr. || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Catherine Bell]] || Lt. Col. Sarah "Mac" Mackenzie || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[John M. Jackson]] || Adm. A.J. Chegwidden || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Tracy Needham]] || Lt. J.G. Austin || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Andrea Thompson]] || Cdr. Krennick || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| || U.S. military personnel || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Donnie Wahlberg]] || Captain Horst Cali || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Currie Graham]] || Cpl. Shaver || [[Over There]] || || 2005
|-
| [[Amanda Tapping]] || Maj. Samantha Carter || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Michael Shanks]] || Dr. Daniel Jackson || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Sona Norisová]] || Npor. Jana Holiková || [[Mesto Tienov]] || || 2008-
|-
| [[Dan Castellaneta]] || Joe Spencer || [[Stargate: SG1]] / "Citizen Joe" || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| || U.S. military personnel || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Keifer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Michael Imperioli]] || Christopher Moltisanti || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "A Hit is A Hit" || With silencer || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Tony Sirico]] || Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[James Gandolfini]] || Tony Soprano || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "The Test Dream" || With silencer || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Joseph R. Gannascoli]] || Vito Spatafore || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Mr. and Mrs. John Sacrimoni Reqiest..." || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| || Hitmen || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Whitecaps" || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Lennie James]] || Robert Hawkins || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || With & without silencer || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Gerald McRaney]] || Johnston Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Skeet Ulrich]] || Jake Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Kenneth Mitchell]] || Eric Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Brad Beyer]] || Stanley Richmond || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Richard Speight, Jr.]] || Bill Kohler || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Daniel Roebuck]] || Matthew Lake || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] / "Boxed In" || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Cote de Pablo]] || Ziva David || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Rudolf Martin]] || Ari Haswari || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] / "Kill Ari Pt. 2" || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Chris O'Donnell]] || G. Callen || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[L.L. Cool J]] || Sam Hanna || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Peter Weireter]] || LAPD Officer || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || LAPD officers || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Militant extremists || [[Star Trek: Voyager]] / "Future's End" || || 1995 - 2001
|-
| [[Robert Urich]] || Spenser || [[Spenser: For Hire]] || || 1985 - 1988
|-
| [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] || Frank Parker || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Don Franklin]] || Cpt. Craig Donovan || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| || U.S. Military personnel || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Mitzi Kapture]] || Rita || [[Silk Stalkings]] || || 1991 - 1999
|-
| [[Terry O'Quinn]] || John Locke || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Harold Perrineau]] || Michael Dawson || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Michelle Rodriguez]] || Ana-Lucia || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Matthew Fox]] || Jack Shephard || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Yunjin Kim]] || Jin Kwon || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Elizabeth Mitchell]] || Juliet Burke || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Naveen Andrews]] || Sayid Jarrah || [[Lost]] || Switches with [[Non Guns#Beretta 92F|Non-Gun]] || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Lena Headey]] || Sarah Connor || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Brian Austin Green]] || Derek Reese || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] / "Dungeons & Dragons" || With silencer || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Thomas Dekker]] || John Connor || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| || Police Officers || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Shawn Hatosy]] || Det. Sammy Bryant || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Michael McGrady]] || Det. Daniel "Sal" Salinger || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Kevin Alejandro]] || Det. Nate Moretta || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[C. Thomas Howell]] || Officer Billy Dewey || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Tom Everett Scott]] || Det. Russell Clarke || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Gangbanger || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || L.A.P.D. officers || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Terrorist || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| || Bank Guard || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| || Police officers || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| [[Will Yun Lee]] || Jae Kim || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Isaiah Washington]] || Antonio Pope || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Jordan Bridges]] || Tom Hastings || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Aleks Paunovic]] || BG Assault Team Leader Curtis || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| || Berkut Group Tactical officers || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Kristanna Loken]] || DEA Agent Jane Vasco || [[Painkiller Jane]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Bruce Campbell]] || Sam Axe || [[Burn Notice]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[Damien Lewis]] || Charlie Crews || [[Life]] || || 2007 - 2009
|-
| [[Sergey Bezrukov]] || Sasha Belov || [[Brigada]] || Disguised cigarette lighter || 2002 - ????
|-
| Every Person || Themselves || [[Top Shot]] || || 2010
|}

=== Anime ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Revy || [[Black Lagoon]] || With chrome or nickel finish ||
|-
| Natasha Radinov || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Rally Vincent || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || With magazine removed || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Off-duty cop || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Black Scissors enforcers || [[Mezzo DSA]] || || 2004
|-
| Hijacker || [[Mezzo DSA]] || || 2004
|-
| John McClaine || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
| Knights of Paris || [[Noir]] || With silencers || 2001
|-
| Rimelda Jorg || [[Madlax]] || || 2004
|-
| Gazth-Sonika military personnel || [[Madlax]] || || 2004
|-
| Gin || [[Case Closed: The Raven Chaser]] || With & without silencer || 2009
|-
| Gin || [[Case Closed]] || || 1996 - ????
|-
|Asobi ni Ikuyo! || || || 2010
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[America's Army]] || As the "M9 Beretta" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Battlefield 2]] || || || With and without silencer || 2005
|-
| [[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]] || || || With and without silencer || 2005
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M92FS" || || || 2008
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M92F SE" || || With two-tone finish || 2008
|-
| [[Cross Fire]] || || || || 2007
|-
| [[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]] || As the "M9 Beretta" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Enter the Matrix]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2003
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance 2]] || || || || 1999
|-
| [[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2001
|-
| [[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2003
|-
| [[Metal Gear]] || || || || 1987
|-
| [[Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake]] || || || || 1990
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid]] || || || || 1998
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid]] || || || XM9, with tranq dart modification || 1998
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]] || || || XM9, with and without tranq dart modification, silencer, and laser pointer || 2001
|-
| [[Operation 7]] || || || ||
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] || || || With optional silencer, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2006
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]] || || || With optional silencer, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2008
|-
| [[Resident Evil 3: Nemesis]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S. Custom" || || Heavily customized || 1999
|-
| [[Resident Evil 5]] || || || With laser pointer || 2009
|-
| [[Resident Evil 0]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S Custom" || || Heavily customized, with optional scope || 2002
|-
| [[Resident Evil (2002)|Resident Evil]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S. Custom" || || Heavily customized || 2002
|-
| [[Resident Evil (game)|Resident Evil]] || || || || 1996
|-
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] || As the "Martha" || || || 2007
|-
| [[Shadow Force: Razor Unit]] || As the "M9" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || As the "M9" || || || 2009
|-
| [[Splinter Cell Chaos Theory]] || || || || 2005
|-
| [[Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War]] || || || Seen in cutscenes, non-playable || 2004
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || As the "Beretta M9" || || || 2005
|-
| [[Little Busters!]] || || || || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92FS Inox ==
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm. This pistol was the screen used gun, used throughout the film by Det. Max Kirkpatrick ([[William Baldwin]]) and once by Kate McQuean ([[Cindy Crawford]]) in the film ''[[Fair Game]]''.]]
Inox is short for ''Inoxidizable'', the slide, barrel and minor parts are made of stainless steel instead of black carbon steel. Frame is alloy like the standard FS models with a different finish.

''NOTE: The Beretta 92FS Inox was first introduced in 1990, and was the very first pistol that Beretta ever offered with the stainless Inoxidizable finish. None of Beretta's earlier 92-series pistols, including the original 92F or the 92SB, were ever offered with the Inox finish. Therefore, '''any movie made prior to 1990 cannot possibly feature the 92FS Inox.''' If you see a silver Beretta pistol in a movie made before 1990, it is most likely a nickel-plated Beretta pistol that was re-finished by a gunsmith (the Inox finish is a dull matte stainless, whereas nickel finishes are shiny). It is also possible that you may be looking at a [[Taurus PT92]], which is a Brazilian pistol that is commonly mistaken by viewers for the Beretta (unlike the Beretta 92 series, the Taurus PT92 has been offered with factory stainless and nickel finishes since 1985). Always check carefully and never assume that a silver Beretta-type pistol is a 92FS Inox unless you are sure.''

=== Film ===

* [[Jason Patric]] as Tellis in ''[[Narc]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Vincent in ''[[Ronin]]''

* Haitian gang members in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* [[Michael Madsen]] as Blood in ''[[Beyond the Law]]''

* [[Mekhi Phifer]] as Andre and [[Michael Kelly]] as CJ in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''

* Police officers in ''[[Ghost Rider]]''

* [[Ray Stevenson]] as Frank Castle in [[Punisher: War Zone]]''

* [[Viggo Mortensen]] as Tom Stall and several mafia henchmen in ''[[A History of Violence]]''

* [[Rowan Atkinson]] as Johnny English in ''[[Johnny English]]''

* [[Milla Jovovich]] as Alice in ''[[Resident Evil]]''

* [[Chris Tucker]] as Detective James Carter in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Lindsey Ginter]] as Holloway in ''[[Beverly Hills Cop 3]]''

* [[Flex Alexander]] as Clarence Dewey and [[Samuel L. Jackson]] as FBI Agent Neville Flynn in ''[[Snakes on a Plane]]''

* [[Michael Papajohn]] as the carjacker in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter, The|The Transporter]]''

* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors 2: Aftershocks]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Joe Hallenbeck in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]''

* [[Tom Sizemore]] as boss Paulie Pintero in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* [[James Remar]] as Agent Markham in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''

* One of Jack Travis' henchmen in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Calvin Jung]] as Detective Ng in ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Art Jeffries in ''[[Mercury Rising]]''

* [[Damian Lewis]] as Yassen Gregorovich in ''[[Stormbreaker]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as Toorop in ''[[Babylon A.D.]]'' (fitted with custom compensator)

* [[Adam Goldberg]] as The Hebrew Hammer in ''[[The Hebrew Hammer]]''

* [[Terry Crews]] as Washington in ''[[Street Kings]]''

* [[Ben Foster]] as Mars Krupcheck in ''[[Hostage (2005)|Hostage]]''

* [[Andrew Bryniarski]] as Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. in ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''

* [[Yau-Gene Chan]] as Peter Wei in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Natasha Henstridge]] as Lt. Melanie Ballard in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* Police Officers in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* [[Simon Baker]] as Riley in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter 2]]'' (promotional material only)

* Ukrainian mobster in Chicago in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS Inox|Brother 2]]

* Shinji Mimura in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]

* Valri Bromfield as Constable 'Miss Purdah' in [[Nothing But Trouble]]

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || || [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] || || 2000 - ????
|-
| [[Michael Rosenbaum]] || Lex Luthor || [[Smallville]] || || 2001 - ????
|-
| [[Chuck Norris]] || Cordell Walker || [[Walker: Texas Ranger]] || With pearl grips || 1993 - 2001
|-
| [[Jeff Kaake]] || Thomas Cole || [[Viper]] || || 1996 - 1999
|-
| [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Carlos Bernard]] || Tony Almeida || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Juliet Aubrey]] || Helen Cutter || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[James Murray]] || Stephen Hart || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[Max Martini]] || Sgt. Mack Gerhardt || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Bedfellows" || || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Mike Seeklander]] || Himself || [[Top Shot]] || With suppressor || 2010
|}

=== Video Games ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Resident Evil (game)|Resident Evil]] || || || Director's cut only, with wood grips || 1996
|-
| [[Stranglehold]] || || || || 2007
|-
| [[Saints Row 2]] || || || || 2008
|-
| [[Urban Terror]] || || || || 2000
|-
| [[Uncharted: Drake's Fortune]] || || || || 2007
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Revy || [[Black Lagoon]] || Heavily customized, named "Sword Cutlass" || 2006|-
| Momokichi's body guards || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
|}
 

== Beretta 92FS Compact ==

[[Image:Beretta_compact.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS Compact 9x19mm]]
The compact version of the Beretta 92FS, featuring a smaller frame and a shorter barrel and slide.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Paycheck]]|| [[Colm Feore]] || John Wolfe || || 2003
|-
| [[Paycheck]] || || Henchmen || || 2003
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 4]] || || Flamethrower man || Inoxized finish || 1998
|-
| [[Matrix Reloaded, The|The Matrix Reloaded]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Trinity || [[Animatrix, The|The Animatrix]] / "Detective Story" || || 2003
|-
|}

== Beretta 92FS Centurion ==

A compact version of the Beretta 92FS, featuring the standard frame, but with a shorter barrel and slide.
[[Image:Beretta92Centurion.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92 Centurion 9x19mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Rush Hour 3]] || [[Chris Tucker]] || Carter || || 2007
|-
| [[The Matrix Reloaded]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[Bandits]] || [[Billy Bob Thornton]] || Terry Collins || Inox finish || 2001
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Agent Stanley Goodspeed ||Inox finish || 1996
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 2]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
| [[Hard Rain]] || [[Peter Murnik]] || Trooper Phil || Inox finish || 1998
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]]|| || || || 1989
|-
| [[Hollow Point]]|| || || || 1996
|-
|}

=== Television ===

* ''[[The Beast]]''

 

== Beretta 92FS Brigadier ==
[[Image:44 elenco.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92FS Brigadier 9x19mm]]
A Beretta 92FS with a heavier slide (recognizable by the large triangular projections running halfway along the slide over the barrel).

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || With two-tone finish || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || || Q-Ball gang member || With two-tone finish || 2003
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 2]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
|}

 

== Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox ==
[[Image:BrigadierInox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox 9x19mm with custom grips, as seen in ''The Matrix Revolutions'']]
A Beretta 92FS Brigadier featuring Beretta's Inox finish.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || With custom grips || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || || Guard || With custom grips || 2003
|-
| [[Uncharted: Drakes Fortune]] || || || || 2007
|}
 

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Yuri || [[Angel Beats!]] || || 2010
|-
|}

== Beretta 92G Elite 1A ==
[[Image:Beretta92GElite1A.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92G Elite 1A - 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Live Free or Die Hard]] || || Terrorist || || 2007
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible III]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || ||
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible III]] || [[Keri Russell]] || Lindsey Ferris || ||
|-
|}

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

== Beretta 92G Elite II ==
[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|right|900px|Beretta 92G Elite II 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] || [[Ice Cube]] || Darius Stone || || 2005
|-
| [[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]] || [[Angelina Jolie]] || Jane Smith || || 2005
|-
| [[Pineapple Express]] || [[Rosie Perez]] || Officer Carol Brazier || || 2008
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Jonathan Togo]] || Ryan Wolfe || [[CSI: Miami]] || || 2002 - ????
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Counter Strike]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2000
|-
| [[Counter Strike: Condition Zero]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2003
|-
| [[Counter Strike: Source]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2004
|-
| [[Army of Two]] || M92 Elite II || || With various customizations available || 2008
|-
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92 ==
[[Image:Beretta92oldest.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92, the first Beretta 92 Series model produced, noted by rounded trigger guard, butt located magazine release, and frame mounted safety (pre-decocking safety) - 9x19mm.]]
The first model Beretta, this model featured a rounded trigger guard, frame mounted slide stop safety (as opposed to the later pistols' slide mounted decocking safety), an early style floor plate, and a butt located magazine release.

''Note: Refering to any other model of Beretta as a "Beretta 92" when not referring to this model is incorrect designation.''

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Bourne Identity, The (1988)|The Bourne Identity]] || [[Richard Chamberlain]] || Jason Bourne || || 1988
|-
| [[Hotel Rwanda]] || || Rwandan Army Commander || || 2004
|-
| [[Hotel Rwanda]] || [[Fana Mokoena]] || General Bizimungu || || 2004
|-
| [[Hurt Locker, The|The Hurt Locker]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] || SSGT. William James || || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Voice Actor (English)'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Voice Actor (Japanese)'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Death Note]] || David Hurwitz || Nozomu Sasaki || Mello (Miheal Keehl) || || 2006
|-
|}

== Beretta 92S ==
[[Image:Beretta Mod92S.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92S - 9x19mm. This is one of the earliest Beretta 92 variants. Note the magazine released button on the bottom of the pistol grip and early style magazine floor plate.]]
The first modification of the original 92; Beretta modified the Beretta 92 by adding a slide-mounted combined safety and decocking lever, replacing the frame mounted manual thumb safety. This model only has a decocking safety on the left side, the later [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] would make the safety ambidextrous.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Wanted]] || [[James McAvoy]] || Wesley || With custom ornate grips and compensator || 2008
|-
| [[Wanted]] || [[David O'Hara]] || Mr. X || With custom ornate grips and compensator || 2008
|-
|}

 

== Beretta 92SB ==
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]

The previous Air Force sidearm model of the Beretta 92, easily identified by its rounded trigger guard as the 92F and 92FS would later incorporate the squared trigger guard. Also to note, a 92S is the same with only a right handed decocker and the magazine release placed lower on the frame, the SB is an ambidextrous safety version with the release placed at the end of the trigger guard, making the S somewhat obsolete.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Owen Wilson]] || Lt. Chris Burnett || || 2001
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Gabriel Macht]] || Lt. Stackhouse || || 2001
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Vladimir Mashkov]] || Sasha || || 2001
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || [[Adam Baldwin]] || Major Mitchell || || 1996
|-
| [[Toy Soldiers]] || [[Michael Champion]] || Jack Thorpe || || 1991
|-
| [[Ice Harvest, The|The Ice Harvest]] || [[Randy Quaid]] || Bill Guerrard || With wood grips and chrome finish || 2005
|-
| [[Sudden Impact]] || [[Audrie J. Neenan]] || Ray Parkins || || 1983
|-
| [[The Forsaken]] || [[Brendan Fehr]] || Nick || With wood grips and chrome finish || 2001
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Captain Darrow || With wood grips || 1996
|-
| [[Bourne Supremacy, The|The Bourne Supremacy]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || || 2004
|-
| [[Quantum of Solace]] || [[Daniel Craig]] || James Bond || || 2008
|-
| [[Big Trouble in Little China ]] || || Chang Sing members || || 1986
|-
| [[Inception]] || [[Cillian Murphy]] || Robert Fischer || || 2010
|}

===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Fred Dryer]] || Det. Rick Hunter || [[Hunter]] || || 1984 - 1985
|-
| [[Gary Graham]] || Det. Matthew Sikes || [[Alien Nation - The Series]] || || 1989 - 1990
|-
| [[Juliet Aubrey]] || Helen Cutter || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || As the "M9" || || With & without silencer || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92SB-C ==

[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92SB-C Silver 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]
The compact version of the Beretta 92SB.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[True Lies]]|| [[Tia Carrere]] || Juno Skinner || || 1994
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]] || [[Grand L. Bush]] || Detective Collins || || 1989
|-
| [[Innerspace]]|| [[Meg Ryan]] || Lydia Maxwell || || 1987
|-
|}

 

== Beretta M9A1 ==

A new version of the military M9, with a Picatinny rail, checkered back strap, and reversible magazine release for left-handed shooters.

[[Image:BerettaM9A1.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta M9A1 - 9x19mm. Updated version of the military M9 Beretta. It has an integral rail for mounting flashlights or lasers, reversible magazine release, and checkered back strap for better grip, similar to that seen on [[Glock]] pistols]]

===Films===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Death Race]]|| || Police || || 2008
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Freedom Fighters]] || || || With 17-round magazine || 2003
|-
| [[Shadow Force: Razor Unit]] || As the "M9" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Killing Floor]] || As the "9mm tactical pistol" || || With weaponlight || 2009
|-
| [[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter]] ||M9||weaponlight|| ||2006
|-
| [[Ghost Recon: Island Thunder]] ||M9||||seen with or without suppressor||2003
|}

== Beretta 90two ==
[[Image:Beretta 90two02.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 90Two Type F - 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]|| Ali Larter || Claire Redfield || || 2010
|-
|}
=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3]] || As the "90-TWO" || || || 2010
|-
| [[Heavy Rain]] || || || || 2010
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Tres "Gunslinger" Iqus || [[Trinity Blood]] || Heavily customized with laser pointers || 2005
|-
|}

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Pistol]]

Beretta 92 pistol series

2010-08-03T15:27:58Z

GaBoy45:

'''The Beretta 92 and variants are used by the following actors in the following movies, TV series, anime, and video games:'''

''NOTE: In the past, the Beretta 92F and 92FS have often been misspelled on IMFDB as "M92F" (as this page was originally titled), "M92FS", or "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". '''These are incorrect spellings'''; the correct versions are '''"Beretta 92F"''' or '''"Beretta 92FS"'''. Please do not use any of the mis-spelled versions on any future pages, and please correct older pages with this error.''

==Specifications==
(1975-present)

'''Type:''' Pistol

'''Caliber:''' 9x19mm (92 series), .40 S&W (96 series), 9x21mm IMI (98 series)

'''Capacity:''' 10,11 (96 series) 10,12 (90-two) 10,15,17,20 (92&98 series) 10,13 (Compact L) 8 rounds (Compact M)

'''Fire Modes:''' Semiautomatic

== Beretta 92F/FS ==
Also known as the M9 in U.S. military service (''however, there are few - if any- actual "M9s" seen in movies and TV shows; property masters and armorers always use the civilian 92FS, even when the pistols are seen in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel''). Four out of five branches of the military issue the Beretta M9; all five did until 2006 when the USCG adopted the [[SIG-Sauer P229]].

Keep in mind that the Brazilian [[Taurus PT92]] and [[Taurus PT92#PT99|PT99]] are also used to stand-in for the Beretta 92F in some movies and TV shows, when the Beretta is not available. For a description of the visual differences between the Beretta and the Taurus, visit the Taurus PT92 page.

[[Image:Beretta92F LeftSide.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm. The cosmetic differences are very slight and hard to see. Most of the changes are the inner workings of the gun.]]
[[Image:Beretta92F EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|350px|right|(Beretta 92F (Early Model) - 9x19mm (Other side showing "92F" on slide) Other than the slim grip covers (the 92F is slightly different with a gloss black plastic, versus the 92FS) the pistol is difficult to tell apart from a 92FS. The only real proof is the year a movie was made and whether or not the 92FS existed yet.)]]
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Beretta_two_tone-1-.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Prototype two tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. (This was a prototype before making an all American Beretta two tone pistol.]]
[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Two Tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. This has a Stainless Slide on a standard Frame & Barrel.]]
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS. ''Note nomenclature on slide distinguishing this from a standard civilian Beretta 92FS''.]]

=== Film ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="175"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Desperate Hours]] || [[John Finn]] || F.B.I. Agent Lexington || . || 1990
|-
| [[Narrow Margin]] || [[Gene Hackman]] || Dept. DA Robert Caulfield || . || 1990
|-
| [[Jesse Stone: Thin Ice]] || [[Kathy Baker]] || Officer Rose Gammon || . || 2009
|-
| [[Jennifer Eight]] || [[Andy Garcia]] || Sgt. John Berlin || . || 1993
|-
| [[I Am Legend]] || [[Will Smith]] || Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville || . || 2007
|-
| [[Heat]] || [[Mykelti Williamson]] || Sgt. Drucker || . || 1995
|-
| [[Abominable]] || various || Flatwoods Police Dept. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Heat]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || 1995
|-
| [[Taken]] || [[Liam Neeson]] || Bryan Mills || . || 2009
|-
| [[La Haine]] || various || Undercover Officers || . || .
|-
| [[Teen Agent]] || [[Richard Grieco]] || Michael Corben || Promotional shots || .
|-
| [[16 Blocks]] || various || Assassins || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || [[Jason Bose Smith]] || Little Henry || . || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || . || carjacker || . || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || various || LAPD officers || . || .
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || various || U.S. Army Rangers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] || Connor MacManus || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[Norman Reedus]] || Murphy MacManus || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[David Della Rocco]] || Rocco ("the Funny Man") || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Bourne Supremacy]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || . || .
|-
| [[The Bourne Ultimatum]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || . || .
|-
| [[Darkman III: Die Darkman Die]] || [[Nigel Bennett]] || Nico || . || .
|-
| [[Desperado]] || [[Diego Sandoval]] || Empty Gun Man || fitted with suppressor || .
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Alan Rickman]] || Hans Gruber || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Alexander Godunov]] || Karl || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || . || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard 2]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || . || 1990
|-
| [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || . || 1995
|-
| [[Face/Off]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Castor Troy || . || .
|-
| [[Face/Off]] || [[Dominique Swain]] || Jamie Archer || . || .
|-
| [[Get Carter (2001)]] || [[Sylvester Stallone]] || Jack Carter || . || 2001
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Tequila Yuen || . || 1992
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Tony Leung]] || Alan || . || 1992
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Mark Gor || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Ti Lung]] || Sung Tse Ho || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Waise Lee]] || Shing || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Leslie Cheung]] || Sung Tse Kit || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || various || Triad gang members || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Ken Gor || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Ti Lung]] || Sung Tse Ho || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Leslie Cheung]] || Sung Tse Kit || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Dean Shek]] || Lung Si || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Fui-On Shing]] || Ko's Right Hand Man || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Ming Yan Lung]] || Chong || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Shan Kwan]] || Ko Ying Pui || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[The Killer]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Ah Jong || 92F || 1989
|-
| [[The Replacement Killers]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || John Lee || . || .
|-
| [[The Corruptor]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Detective Nick Chen || . || .
|-
| [[Hollywood Homicide]] || [[Josh Hartnett]] || Detective K.C. Calden || . || .
|-
| [[In China They Eat Dogs]] || [[Kim Bodnia]] || Harald || . || .
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || [[Adam Baldwin]] || Major Mitchell || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || various || U.S. military and Secret Service personnel || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || various || U.S. Marines || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || . || 1989
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || [[Rene Russo]] || Sergeant Lorna Cole || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 4]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || fitted with a laser sight || 1998
|-
| [[Leon (The Professional)]] || [[Jean Reno]] || Leon || Customized with Compensators & suppressors || .
|-
| [[Lord of War]] || [[Jared Leto]] || Vitaly Orlov || . || .
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || [[Vin Diesel]] || DEA Agent Sean Vetter || . || .
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || [[Larenz Tate]] || DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks || . || .
|-
| [[The Matrix]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || . || .
|-
| [[The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || . || .
|-
| [[Rush Hour]] || [[Jackie Chan]] || Chief Inspector Lee || . || .
|-
| [[Rush Hour]] || various || FBI Agents || . || .
|-
| [[Savior]] || [[Dennis Quaid]] || Guy || . || .
|-
| [[Savior]] || [[Stellan Skarsgard]] || Peter Dominic || . || .
|-
| [[The Siege]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Spider-Man]] || various || N.Y.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || . || Montel cronie || fitted with suppressor || .
|-
| [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] || [[Robert Patrick]] || T-1000 || . || .
|-
| [[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] || [[Kristanna Loken]] || T-X || . || .
|-
| [[Three Kings]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Training Day]] || [[Ethan Hawke]] || Officer Jake Hoyt || . || .
|-
| [[Underworld]] || [[Kate Beckinsale]] || Selene || fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto || .
|-
| [[Volcano]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[xXx]] || . || N.S.A. agent posing as a robber || . || .
|-
| [[X-Men]] || various || N.Y.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[The Big Hit]] || [[Lou Diamond Phillips]] || Cisco || . || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Sean Connery]] || John Patrick Mason || FS standing in for M9, fitted with a tactical flashlight || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed || FS standing in for M9, fitted with a tactical flashlight || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || various || U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S. || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Phantoms]] || uncredited || Deputy Paul Henderson || . || .
|-
| [[Lions for Lambs]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Demolition Man]] || [[Sylvester Stallone]] || John Spartan || . || .
|-
| [[The One]] || [[Jet Li]] || Gabriel Law || . || .
|-
| [[Above the Law]] || [[Steven Seagal]] || Nico Toscani|| . || .
|-
| [[Vantage Point]] || various || Police officers || . || .
|-
| [[Get Smart]] || [[Steve Carell]] || Agent 86 || . || .
|-
| [[Enemy of the State]] || [[Scott Caan]] || Jones || . || .
|-
| [[Battle Royale II: Requiem]] || various || Japanese soldiers || . || .
|-
| [[Blue Streak]] || [[Martin Lawrence]] || Miles Logan || . || .
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 3]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || . || .
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || various || U.S. Marines || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Ghosts of Mars]] || [[Clea DuVall]] || Officer Bashira Kincaid || Two Tone || .
|-
| [[The International]] || [[Clive Owen]] || Louis Salinger || . || .
|-
| [[Jingle All the Way]] || various || Minneapolis P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Day the Earth Stood Still, The (2008)|The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)]] || . || New Jersey state trooper || . || .
|-
| [[Traitor]] || [[Saïd Taghmaoui]] || Omar || . || .
|-
| [[Strange Days]] || [[Angela Bassett]] || Lornette 'Mace' Mason || . || .
|-
| [[Strange Days]] || [[Michael Wincott]] || Philo's man || . || .
|-
| [[The Sentinel]] || . || An assassin || fitted with a suppressor || .
|-
| [[Unknown]] || [[Chris Mulkey]] || Detective James Curtis || . || .
|-
| [[Unknown]] || [[Clayne Crawford]] || Detective Anderson || . || .
|-
| [[Dreamcatcher]] || . || Truck driver || . || .
|-
| [[Dragon Wars: D-War]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Gabriel]] || [[Andy Whitfield]] || Gabriel || dual-wielded with suppressors || .
|-
| [[Quantum of Solace]] || various || corrupt police officers || . || .
|-
| [[Mad Money]] || various || Kansas City Police officers and detectives || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || [[Jason Statham]] || Chev Chelios || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || [[Art Hsu]] || Johnny Vang || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[MR 73]] || . || French national police officer || . || .
|-
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Esai Morales]] || Staff Sergeant Stern || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Needful Things]] || [[Ed Harris]] || Sheriff Pangborn || . || .
|-
| [[State of Grace]] || [[Ed Harris]] || Frankie || . || .
|-
| [[Red Heat]] || [[Tengiz Borisoff]] || Josip Barada || 92F || .
|-
| [[Nemesis 2: Nebula]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Nemesis III: Prey Harder]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Nemesis 4: Death Angel]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The|The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada]] || [[Barry Pepper]] || Mike Norton || . || .
|-
| [[You Kill Me]] || [[Ben Kingsley]] || Frank Falenczyk || . || .
|-
| [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS|Brother 2]] || [[Viktor Sukhorukov]] || Victor Bagrov || . || .
|-
| [[Brother 2#Police weapon on Viktor's detention|Brother 2]] || various || American cops || . || .
|-
| [[Species]] || [[Ben Kingsley]] || Xavier Fitch || . || .
|-
| [[Species]] || [[Michael Madsen]] || Preston Lennox || . || .
|-
| [[Nothing But Trouble]] || || || || 1991
|-
| [[Extreme Prejudice]] || [[Larry B. Scott]] || Sgt. Charles Biddle || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]] || various || FBI Agents || 92F (continuity error) || 1988
|-
| [[Hidden, The|The Hidden]] || [[Ed O'Ross]] || Detective Cliff Willis || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[Ticker]] || [[Milos Milicevic]] || Milos || || 2001
|-
| [[Ticker]] || || San Francisco P.D. Officers || || 2001
|-
| [[Beyond the Law]] || [[Leon Rippy]] || Virgil|| . || 1992
|-
| [[Beyond the Law]] || [[Michael Madsen]] || Blood|| nickel plated, wood grips || 1992
|-
| [[Evolution]] || [[Seann William Scott]] and various || Wayne Gray/U.S. Army personnel || Standing in for M9 || 2001
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || Homeowner || [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] || With two-tone finish || 2000 - ????
|-
| [[Nikki Amuka-Bird]] || Samantha Willis || [[Survivors]] || || 2008 - 2010
|-
| [[Julie Graham]] || Abby Grant || [[Survivors]] || || 2008 - 2010
|-
| || || [[Bugs]] / "A Sporting Chance" || || 1995 - 1999
|-
| || Arizona State Trooper || [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || || 1994
|-
| [[Jonathan Togo]] || Ryan Wolfe || [[CSI: Miami]] || || 2002 - ????
|-
| [[Tom Sizemore]] || Private Investigator Kurt Rossi || [[CSI: Miami]] / "Down to the Wire" || || 2002 - ????
|-
| [[Jason James Elliott]] || Lt. Cmdr. Harmon "Harm" Rabb, Jr. || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Catherine Bell]] || Lt. Col. Sarah "Mac" Mackenzie || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[John M. Jackson]] || Adm. A.J. Chegwidden || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Tracy Needham]] || Lt. J.G. Austin || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Andrea Thompson]] || Cdr. Krennick || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| || U.S. military personnel || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Donnie Wahlberg]] || Captain Horst Cali || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Currie Graham]] || Cpl. Shaver || [[Over There]] || || 2005
|-
| [[Amanda Tapping]] || Maj. Samantha Carter || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Michael Shanks]] || Dr. Daniel Jackson || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Sona Norisová]] || Npor. Jana Holiková || [[Mesto Tienov]] || || 2008-
|-
| [[Dan Castellaneta]] || Joe Spencer || [[Stargate: SG1]] / "Citizen Joe" || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| || U.S. military personnel || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Keifer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Michael Imperioli]] || Christopher Moltisanti || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "A Hit is A Hit" || With silencer || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Tony Sirico]] || Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[James Gandolfini]] || Tony Soprano || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "The Test Dream" || With silencer || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Joseph R. Gannascoli]] || Vito Spatafore || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Mr. and Mrs. John Sacrimoni Reqiest..." || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| || Hitmen || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Whitecaps" || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Lennie James]] || Robert Hawkins || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || With & without silencer || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Gerald McRaney]] || Johnston Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Skeet Ulrich]] || Jake Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Kenneth Mitchell]] || Eric Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Brad Beyer]] || Stanley Richmond || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Richard Speight, Jr.]] || Bill Kohler || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Daniel Roebuck]] || Matthew Lake || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] / "Boxed In" || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Cote de Pablo]] || Ziva David || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Rudolf Martin]] || Ari Haswari || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] / "Kill Ari Pt. 2" || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Chris O'Donnell]] || G. Callen || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[L.L. Cool J]] || Sam Hanna || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Peter Weireter]] || LAPD Officer || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || LAPD officers || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Militant extremists || [[Star Trek: Voyager]] / "Future's End" || || 1995 - 2001
|-
| [[Robert Urich]] || Spenser || [[Spenser: For Hire]] || || 1985 - 1988
|-
| [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] || Frank Parker || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Don Franklin]] || Cpt. Craig Donovan || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| || U.S. Military personnel || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Mitzi Kapture]] || Rita || [[Silk Stalkings]] || || 1991 - 1999
|-
| [[Terry O'Quinn]] || John Locke || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Harold Perrineau]] || Michael Dawson || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Michelle Rodriguez]] || Ana-Lucia || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Matthew Fox]] || Jack Shephard || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Yunjin Kim]] || Jin Kwon || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Elizabeth Mitchell]] || Juliet Burke || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Naveen Andrews]] || Sayid Jarrah || [[Lost]] || Switches with [[Non Guns#Beretta 92F|Non-Gun]] || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Lena Headey]] || Sarah Connor || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Brian Austin Green]] || Derek Reese || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] / "Dungeons & Dragons" || With silencer || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Thomas Dekker]] || John Connor || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| || Police Officers || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Shawn Hatosy]] || Det. Sammy Bryant || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Michael McGrady]] || Det. Daniel "Sal" Salinger || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Kevin Alejandro]] || Det. Nate Moretta || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[C. Thomas Howell]] || Officer Billy Dewey || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Tom Everett Scott]] || Det. Russell Clarke || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Gangbanger || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || L.A.P.D. officers || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Terrorist || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| || Bank Guard || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| || Police officers || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| [[Will Yun Lee]] || Jae Kim || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Isaiah Washington]] || Antonio Pope || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Jordan Bridges]] || Tom Hastings || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Aleks Paunovic]] || BG Assault Team Leader Curtis || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| || Berkut Group Tactical officers || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Kristanna Loken]] || DEA Agent Jane Vasco || [[Painkiller Jane]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Bruce Campbell]] || Sam Axe || [[Burn Notice]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[Damien Lewis]] || Charlie Crews || [[Life]] || || 2007 - 2009
|-
| [[Sergey Bezrukov]] || Sasha Belov || [[Brigada]] || Disguised cigarette lighter || 2002 - ????
|-
| Every Person || Themselves || [[Top Shot]] || || 2010
|}

=== Anime ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Revy || [[Black Lagoon]] || With chrome or nickel finish ||
|-
| Natasha Radinov || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Rally Vincent || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || With magazine removed || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Off-duty cop || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Black Scissors enforcers || [[Mezzo DSA]] || || 2004
|-
| Hijacker || [[Mezzo DSA]] || || 2004
|-
| John McClaine || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
| Knights of Paris || [[Noir]] || With silencers || 2001
|-
| Rimelda Jorg || [[Madlax]] || || 2004
|-
| Gazth-Sonika military personnel || [[Madlax]] || || 2004
|-
| Gin || [[Case Closed: The Raven Chaser]] || With & without silencer || 2009
|-
| Gin || [[Case Closed]] || || 1996 - ????
|-
|Asobi ni Ikuyo! || || || 2010
|}

=== Video Games ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[America's Army]] || As the "M9 Beretta" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Battlefield 2]] || || || With and without silencer || 2005
|-
| [[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]] || || || With and without silencer || 2005
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M92FS" || || || 2008
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M92F SE" || || With two-tone finish || 2008
|-
| [[Cross Fire]] || || || || 2007
|-
| [[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]] || As the "M9 Beretta" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Enter the Matrix]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2003
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance 2]] || || || || 1999
|-
| [[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2001
|-
| [[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2003
|-
| [[Metal Gear]] || || || || 1987
|-
| [[Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake]] || || || || 1990
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid]] || || || || 1998
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid]] || || || XM9, with tranq dart modification || 1998
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]] || || || XM9, with and without tranq dart modification, silencer, and laser pointer || 2001
|-
| [[Operation 7]] || || || ||
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] || || || With optional silencer, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2006
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]] || || || With optional silencer, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2008
|-
| [[Resident Evil 3: Nemesis]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S. Custom" || || Heavily customized || 1999
|-
| [[Resident Evil 5]] || || || With laser pointer || 2009
|-
| [[Resident Evil 0]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S Custom" || || Heavily customized, with optional scope || 2002
|-
| [[Resident Evil (2002)|Resident Evil]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S. Custom" || || Heavily customized || 2002
|-
| [[Resident Evil (game)|Resident Evil]] || || || || 1996
|-
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] || As the "Martha" || || || 2007
|-
| [[Shadow Force: Razor Unit]] || As the "M9" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || As the "M9" || || || 2009
|-
| [[Splinter Cell Chaos Theory]] || || || || 2005
|-
| [[Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War]] || || || Seen in cutscenes, non-playable || 2004
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || As the "Beretta M9" || || || 2005
|-
| [[Little Busters!]] || || || || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92FS Inox ==
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm. This pistol was the screen used gun, used throughout the film by Det. Max Kirkpatrick ([[William Baldwin]]) and once by Kate McQuean ([[Cindy Crawford]]) in the film ''[[Fair Game]]''.]]
Inox is short for ''Inoxidizable'', the slide, barrel and minor parts are made of stainless steel instead of black carbon steel. Frame is alloy like the standard FS models with a different finish.

''NOTE: The Beretta 92FS Inox was first introduced in 1990, and was the very first pistol that Beretta ever offered with the stainless Inoxidizable finish. None of Beretta's earlier 92-series pistols, including the original 92F or the 92SB, were ever offered with the Inox finish. Therefore, '''any movie made prior to 1990 cannot possibly feature the 92FS Inox.''' If you see a silver Beretta pistol in a movie made before 1990, it is most likely a nickel-plated Beretta pistol that was re-finished by a gunsmith (the Inox finish is a dull matte stainless, whereas nickel finishes are shiny). It is also possible that you may be looking at a [[Taurus PT92]], which is a Brazilian pistol that is commonly mistaken by viewers for the Beretta (unlike the Beretta 92 series, the Taurus PT92 has been offered with factory stainless and nickel finishes since 1985). Always check carefully and never assume that a silver Beretta-type pistol is a 92FS Inox unless you are sure.''

=== Film ===

* [[Jason Patric]] as Tellis in ''[[Narc]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Vincent in ''[[Ronin]]''

* Haitian gang members in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* [[Michael Madsen]] as Blood in ''[[Beyond the Law]]''

* [[Mekhi Phifer]] as Andre and [[Michael Kelly]] as CJ in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''

* Police officers in ''[[Ghost Rider]]''

* [[Ray Stevenson]] as Frank Castle in [[Punisher: War Zone]]''

* [[Viggo Mortensen]] as Tom Stall and several mafia henchmen in ''[[A History of Violence]]''

* [[Rowan Atkinson]] as Johnny English in ''[[Johnny English]]''

* [[Milla Jovovich]] as Alice in ''[[Resident Evil]]''

* [[Chris Tucker]] as Detective James Carter in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Lindsey Ginter]] as Holloway in ''[[Beverly Hills Cop 3]]''

* [[Flex Alexander]] as Clarence Dewey and [[Samuel L. Jackson]] as FBI Agent Neville Flynn in ''[[Snakes on a Plane]]''

* [[Michael Papajohn]] as the carjacker in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter, The|The Transporter]]''

* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors 2: Aftershocks]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Joe Hallenbeck in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]''

* [[Tom Sizemore]] as boss Paulie Pintero in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* [[James Remar]] as Agent Markham in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''

* One of Jack Travis' henchmen in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Calvin Jung]] as Detective Ng in ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Art Jeffries in ''[[Mercury Rising]]''

* [[Damian Lewis]] as Yassen Gregorovich in ''[[Stormbreaker]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as Toorop in ''[[Babylon A.D.]]'' (fitted with custom compensator)

* [[Adam Goldberg]] as The Hebrew Hammer in ''[[The Hebrew Hammer]]''

* [[Terry Crews]] as Washington in ''[[Street Kings]]''

* [[Ben Foster]] as Mars Krupcheck in ''[[Hostage (2005)|Hostage]]''

* [[Andrew Bryniarski]] as Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. in ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''

* [[Yau-Gene Chan]] as Peter Wei in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Natasha Henstridge]] as Lt. Melanie Ballard in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* Police Officers in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* [[Simon Baker]] as Riley in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter 2]]'' (promotional material only)

* Ukrainian mobster in Chicago in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS Inox|Brother 2]]

* Shinji Mimura in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]

* Valri Bromfield as Constable 'Miss Purdah' in [[Nothing But Trouble]]

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || || [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] || || 2000 - ????
|-
| [[Michael Rosenbaum]] || Lex Luthor || [[Smallville]] || || 2001 - ????
|-
| [[Chuck Norris]] || Cordell Walker || [[Walker: Texas Ranger]] || With pearl grips || 1993 - 2001
|-
| [[Jeff Kaake]] || Thomas Cole || [[Viper]] || || 1996 - 1999
|-
| [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Carlos Bernard]] || Tony Almeida || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Juliet Aubrey]] || Helen Cutter || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[James Murray]] || Stephen Hart || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[Max Martini]] || Sgt. Mack Gerhardt || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Bedfellows" || || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Mike Seeklander]] || Himself || [[Top Shot]] || With suppressor || 2010
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Resident Evil (game)|Resident Evil]] || || || Director's cut only, with wood grips || 1996
|-
| [[Stranglehold]] || || || || 2007
|-
| [[Saints Row 2]] || || || || 2008
|-
| [[Urban Terror]] || || || || 2000
|-
| [[Uncharted: Drake's Fortune]] || || || || 2007
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Revy || [[Black Lagoon]] || Heavily customized, named "Sword Cutlass" || 2006
|-
| Hirooka || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
| Momokichi's body guards || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
|}
 

== Beretta 92FS Compact ==

[[Image:Beretta_compact.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS Compact 9x19mm]]
The compact version of the Beretta 92FS, featuring a smaller frame and a shorter barrel and slide.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Paycheck]]|| [[Colm Feore]] || John Wolfe || || 2003
|-
| [[Paycheck]] || || Henchmen || || 2003
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 4]] || || Flamethrower man || Inoxized finish || 1998
|-
| [[Matrix Reloaded, The|The Matrix Reloaded]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Trinity || [[Animatrix, The|The Animatrix]] / "Detective Story" || || 2003
|-
|}

== Beretta 92FS Centurion ==

A compact version of the Beretta 92FS, featuring the standard frame, but with a shorter barrel and slide.
[[Image:Beretta92Centurion.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92 Centurion 9x19mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Rush Hour 3]] || [[Chris Tucker]] || Carter || || 2007
|-
| [[The Matrix Reloaded]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[Bandits]] || [[Billy Bob Thornton]] || Terry Collins || Inox finish || 2001
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Agent Stanley Goodspeed ||Inox finish || 1996
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 2]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
| [[Hard Rain]] || [[Peter Murnik]] || Trooper Phil || Inox finish || 1998
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]]|| || || || 1989
|-
| [[Hollow Point]]|| || || || 1996
|-
|}

=== Television ===

* ''[[The Beast]]''

 

== Beretta 92FS Brigadier ==
[[Image:44 elenco.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92FS Brigadier 9x19mm]]
A Beretta 92FS with a heavier slide (recognizable by the large triangular projections running halfway along the slide over the barrel).

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || With two-tone finish || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || || Q-Ball gang member || With two-tone finish || 2003
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 2]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
|}

 

== Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox ==
[[Image:BrigadierInox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox 9x19mm with custom grips, as seen in ''The Matrix Revolutions'']]
A Beretta 92FS Brigadier featuring Beretta's Inox finish.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || With custom grips || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || || Guard || With custom grips || 2003
|-
| [[Uncharted: Drakes Fortune]] || || || || 2007
|}
 

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Yuri || [[Angel Beats!]] || || 2010
|-
|}

== Beretta 92G Elite 1A ==
[[Image:Beretta92GElite1A.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92G Elite 1A - 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Live Free or Die Hard]] || || Terrorist || || 2007
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible III]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || ||
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible III]] || [[Keri Russell]] || Lindsey Ferris || ||
|-
|}

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

== Beretta 92G Elite II ==
[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|right|900px|Beretta 92G Elite II 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] || [[Ice Cube]] || Darius Stone || || 2005
|-
| [[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]] || [[Angelina Jolie]] || Jane Smith || || 2005
|-
| [[Pineapple Express]] || [[Rosie Perez]] || Officer Carol Brazier || || 2008
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Jonathan Togo]] || Ryan Wolfe || [[CSI: Miami]] || || 2002 - ????
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Counter Strike]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2000
|-
| [[Counter Strike: Condition Zero]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2003
|-
| [[Counter Strike: Source]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2004
|-
| [[Army of Two]] || M92 Elite II || || With various customizations available || 2008
|-
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92 ==
[[Image:Beretta92oldest.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92, the first Beretta 92 Series model produced, noted by rounded trigger guard, butt located magazine release, and frame mounted safety (pre-decocking safety) - 9x19mm.]]
The first model Beretta, this model featured a rounded trigger guard, frame mounted slide stop safety (as opposed to the later pistols' slide mounted decocking safety), an early style floor plate, and a butt located magazine release.

''Note: Refering to any other model of Beretta as a "Beretta 92" when not referring to this model is incorrect designation.''

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Bourne Identity, The (1988)|The Bourne Identity]] || [[Richard Chamberlain]] || Jason Bourne || || 1988
|-
| [[Hotel Rwanda]] || || Rwandan Army Commander || || 2004
|-
| [[Hotel Rwanda]] || [[Fana Mokoena]] || General Bizimungu || || 2004
|-
| [[Hurt Locker, The|The Hurt Locker]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] || SSGT. William James || || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Voice Actor (English)'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Voice Actor (Japanese)'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Death Note]] || David Hurwitz || Nozomu Sasaki || Mello (Miheal Keehl) || || 2006
|-
|}

== Beretta 92S ==
[[Image:Beretta Mod92S.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92S - 9x19mm. This is one of the earliest Beretta 92 variants. Note the magazine released button on the bottom of the pistol grip and early style magazine floor plate.]]
The first modification of the original 92; Beretta modified the Beretta 92 by adding a slide-mounted combined safety and decocking lever, replacing the frame mounted manual thumb safety. This model only has a decocking safety on the left side, the later [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] would make the safety ambidextrous.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Wanted]] || [[James McAvoy]] || Wesley || With custom ornate grips and compensator || 2008
|-
| [[Wanted]] || [[David O'Hara]] || Mr. X || With custom ornate grips and compensator || 2008
|-
|}

 

== Beretta 92SB ==
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]

The previous Air Force sidearm model of the Beretta 92, easily identified by its rounded trigger guard as the 92F and 92FS would later incorporate the squared trigger guard. Also to note, a 92S is the same with only a right handed decocker and the magazine release placed lower on the frame, the SB is an ambidextrous safety version with the release placed at the end of the trigger guard, making the S somewhat obsolete.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Owen Wilson]] || Lt. Chris Burnett || || 2001
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Gabriel Macht]] || Lt. Stackhouse || || 2001
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Vladimir Mashkov]] || Sasha || || 2001
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || [[Adam Baldwin]] || Major Mitchell || || 1996
|-
| [[Toy Soldiers]] || [[Michael Champion]] || Jack Thorpe || || 1991
|-
| [[Ice Harvest, The|The Ice Harvest]] || [[Randy Quaid]] || Bill Guerrard || With wood grips and chrome finish || 2005
|-
| [[Sudden Impact]] || [[Audrie J. Neenan]] || Ray Parkins || || 1983
|-
| [[The Forsaken]] || [[Brendan Fehr]] || Nick || With wood grips and chrome finish || 2001
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Captain Darrow || With wood grips || 1996
|-
| [[Bourne Supremacy, The|The Bourne Supremacy]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || || 2004
|-
| [[Quantum of Solace]] || [[Daniel Craig]] || James Bond || || 2008
|-
| [[Big Trouble in Little China ]] || || Chang Sing members || || 1986
|-
| [[Inception]] || [[Cillian Murphy]] || Robert Fischer || || 2010
|}

===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Fred Dryer]] || Det. Rick Hunter || [[Hunter]] || || 1984 - 1985
|-
| [[Gary Graham]] || Det. Matthew Sikes || [[Alien Nation - The Series]] || || 1989 - 1990
|-
| [[Juliet Aubrey]] || Helen Cutter || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || As the "M9" || || With & without silencer || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92SB-C ==

[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92SB-C Silver 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]
The compact version of the Beretta 92SB.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[True Lies]]|| [[Tia Carrere]] || Juno Skinner || || 1994
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]] || [[Grand L. Bush]] || Detective Collins || || 1989
|-
| [[Innerspace]]|| [[Meg Ryan]] || Lydia Maxwell || || 1987
|-
|}

 

== Beretta M9A1 ==

A new version of the military M9, with a Picatinny rail, checkered back strap, and reversible magazine release for left-handed shooters.

[[Image:BerettaM9A1.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta M9A1 - 9x19mm. Updated version of the military M9 Beretta. It has an integral rail for mounting flashlights or lasers, reversible magazine release, and checkered back strap for better grip, similar to that seen on [[Glock]] pistols]]

===Films===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Death Race]]|| || Police || || 2008
|-
|}

===Video Games===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Freedom Fighters]] || || || With 17-round magazine || 2003
|-
| [[Shadow Force: Razor Unit]] || As the "M9" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Killing Floor]] || As the "9mm tactical pistol" || || With weaponlight || 2009
|-
| [[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter]] ||M9||weaponlight|| ||2006
|-
| [[Ghost Recon: Island Thunder]] ||M9||||seen with or without suppressor||2003
|}

== Beretta 90two ==
[[Image:Beretta 90two02.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 90Two Type F - 9x19mm]]

===Film===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]|| Ali Larter || Claire Redfield || || 2010
|-
|}
=== Video Games ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3]] || As the "90-TWO" || || || 2010
|-
| [[Heavy Rain]] || || || || 2010
|}

=== Anime ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Tres "Gunslinger" Iqus || [[Trinity Blood]] || Heavily customized with laser pointers || 2005
|-
|}

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Pistol]]

Beretta 92 pistol series

2010-08-03T15:26:45Z

GaBoy45:

'''The Beretta 92 and variants are used by the following actors in the following movies, TV series, anime, and video games:'''

''NOTE: In the past, the Beretta 92F and 92FS have often been misspelled on IMFDB as "M92F" (as this page was originally titled), "M92FS", or "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". '''These are incorrect spellings'''; the correct versions are '''"Beretta 92F"''' or '''"Beretta 92FS"'''. Please do not use any of the mis-spelled versions on any future pages, and please correct older pages with this error.''

==Specifications==
(1975-present)

'''Type:''' Pistol

'''Caliber:''' 9x19mm (92 series), .40 S&W (96 series), 9x21mm IMI (98 series)

'''Capacity:''' 10,11 (96 series) 10,12 (90-two) 10,15,17,20 (92&98 series) 10,13 (Compact L) 8 rounds (Compact M)

'''Fire Modes:''' Semiautomatic

== Beretta 92F/FS ==
Also known as the M9 in U.S. military service (''however, there are few - if any- actual "M9s" seen in movies and TV shows; property masters and armorers always use the civilian 92FS, even when the pistols are seen in the hands of actors playing U.S. military personnel''). Four out of five branches of the military issue the Beretta M9; all five did until 2006 when the USCG adopted the [[SIG-Sauer P229]].

Keep in mind that the Brazilian [[Taurus PT92]] and [[Taurus PT92#PT99|PT99]] are also used to stand-in for the Beretta 92F in some movies and TV shows, when the Beretta is not available. For a description of the visual differences between the Beretta and the Taurus, visit the Taurus PT92 page.

[[Image:Beretta92F LeftSide.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm. The cosmetic differences are very slight and hard to see. Most of the changes are the inner workings of the gun.]]
[[Image:Beretta92F EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|350px|right|(Beretta 92F (Early Model) - 9x19mm (Other side showing "92F" on slide) Other than the slim grip covers (the 92F is slightly different with a gloss black plastic, versus the 92FS) the pistol is difficult to tell apart from a 92FS. The only real proof is the year a movie was made and whether or not the 92FS existed yet.)]]
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Beretta_two_tone-1-.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Prototype two tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. (This was a prototype before making an all American Beretta two tone pistol.]]
[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Two Tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. This has a Stainless Slide on a standard Frame & Barrel.]]
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS. ''Note nomenclature on slide distinguishing this from a standard civilian Beretta 92FS''.]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="175"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Desperate Hours]] || [[John Finn]] || F.B.I. Agent Lexington || . || 1990
|-
| [[Narrow Margin]] || [[Gene Hackman]] || Dept. DA Robert Caulfield || . || 1990
|-
| [[Jesse Stone: Thin Ice]] || [[Kathy Baker]] || Officer Rose Gammon || . || 2009
|-
| [[Jennifer Eight]] || [[Andy Garcia]] || Sgt. John Berlin || . || 1993
|-
| [[I Am Legend]] || [[Will Smith]] || Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville || . || 2007
|-
| [[Heat]] || [[Mykelti Williamson]] || Sgt. Drucker || . || 1995
|-
| [[Abominable]] || various || Flatwoods Police Dept. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Heat]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || 1995
|-
| [[Taken]] || [[Liam Neeson]] || Bryan Mills || . || 2009
|-
| [[La Haine]] || various || Undercover Officers || . || .
|-
| [[Teen Agent]] || [[Richard Grieco]] || Michael Corben || Promotional shots || .
|-
| [[16 Blocks]] || various || Assassins || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || [[Jason Bose Smith]] || Little Henry || . || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || . || carjacker || . || .
|-
| [[American History X]] || various || LAPD officers || . || .
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || various || U.S. Army Rangers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] || Connor MacManus || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[Norman Reedus]] || Murphy MacManus || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Boondock Saints]] || [[David Della Rocco]] || Rocco ("the Funny Man") || fitted with suppressors || .
|-
| [[The Bourne Supremacy]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || . || .
|-
| [[The Bourne Ultimatum]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || . || .
|-
| [[Darkman III: Die Darkman Die]] || [[Nigel Bennett]] || Nico || . || .
|-
| [[Desperado]] || [[Diego Sandoval]] || Empty Gun Man || fitted with suppressor || .
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Alan Rickman]] || Hans Gruber || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || [[Alexander Godunov]] || Karl || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || . || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || 92F || 1988
|-
| [[Die Hard 2]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || . || 1990
|-
| [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Lt. John McClane || . || 1995
|-
| [[Face/Off]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Castor Troy || . || .
|-
| [[Face/Off]] || [[Dominique Swain]] || Jamie Archer || . || .
|-
| [[Get Carter (2001)]] || [[Sylvester Stallone]] || Jack Carter || . || 2001
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Tequila Yuen || . || 1992
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Tony Leung]] || Alan || . || 1992
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Mark Gor || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Ti Lung]] || Sung Tse Ho || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Waise Lee]] || Shing || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || [[Leslie Cheung]] || Sung Tse Kit || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow]] || various || Triad gang members || 92F || 1986
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Ken Gor || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Ti Lung]] || Sung Tse Ho || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Leslie Cheung]] || Sung Tse Kit || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Dean Shek]] || Lung Si || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Fui-On Shing]] || Ko's Right Hand Man || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Ming Yan Lung]] || Chong || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow II]] || [[Shan Kwan]] || Ko Ying Pui || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[The Killer]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Ah Jong || 92F || 1989
|-
| [[The Replacement Killers]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || John Lee || . || .
|-
| [[The Corruptor]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Detective Nick Chen || . || .
|-
| [[Hollywood Homicide]] || [[Josh Hartnett]] || Detective K.C. Calden || . || .
|-
| [[In China They Eat Dogs]] || [[Kim Bodnia]] || Harald || . || .
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || [[Adam Baldwin]] || Major Mitchell || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || various || U.S. military and Secret Service personnel || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || various || U.S. Marines || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || . || 1989
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || [[Rene Russo]] || Sergeant Lorna Cole || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 3]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || 1992
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 4]] || [[Mel Gibson]] || Detective Martin Riggs || fitted with a laser sight || 1998
|-
| [[Leon (The Professional)]] || [[Jean Reno]] || Leon || Customized with Compensators & suppressors || .
|-
| [[Lord of War]] || [[Jared Leto]] || Vitaly Orlov || . || .
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || [[Vin Diesel]] || DEA Agent Sean Vetter || . || .
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || [[Larenz Tate]] || DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks || . || .
|-
| [[The Matrix]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || . || .
|-
| [[The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || . || .
|-
| [[Rush Hour]] || [[Jackie Chan]] || Chief Inspector Lee || . || .
|-
| [[Rush Hour]] || various || FBI Agents || . || .
|-
| [[Savior]] || [[Dennis Quaid]] || Guy || . || .
|-
| [[Savior]] || [[Stellan Skarsgard]] || Peter Dominic || . || .
|-
| [[The Siege]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Spider-Man]] || various || N.Y.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[S.W.A.T.]] || . || Montel cronie || fitted with suppressor || .
|-
| [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] || [[Robert Patrick]] || T-1000 || . || .
|-
| [[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] || [[Kristanna Loken]] || T-X || . || .
|-
| [[Three Kings]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Training Day]] || [[Ethan Hawke]] || Officer Jake Hoyt || . || .
|-
| [[Underworld]] || [[Kate Beckinsale]] || Selene || fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto || .
|-
| [[Volcano]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[xXx]] || . || N.S.A. agent posing as a robber || . || .
|-
| [[X-Men]] || various || N.Y.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[The Big Hit]] || [[Lou Diamond Phillips]] || Cisco || . || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Sean Connery]] || John Patrick Mason || FS standing in for M9, fitted with a tactical flashlight || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed || FS standing in for M9, fitted with a tactical flashlight || .
|-
| [[The Rock]] || various || U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S. || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Phantoms]] || uncredited || Deputy Paul Henderson || . || .
|-
| [[Lions for Lambs]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Demolition Man]] || [[Sylvester Stallone]] || John Spartan || . || .
|-
| [[The One]] || [[Jet Li]] || Gabriel Law || . || .
|-
| [[Above the Law]] || [[Steven Seagal]] || Nico Toscani|| . || .
|-
| [[Vantage Point]] || various || Police officers || . || .
|-
| [[Get Smart]] || [[Steve Carell]] || Agent 86 || . || .
|-
| [[Enemy of the State]] || [[Scott Caan]] || Jones || . || .
|-
| [[Battle Royale II: Requiem]] || various || Japanese soldiers || . || .
|-
| [[Blue Streak]] || [[Martin Lawrence]] || Miles Logan || . || .
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 3]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || . || .
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || various || U.S. Marines || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Ghosts of Mars]] || [[Clea DuVall]] || Officer Bashira Kincaid || Two Tone || .
|-
| [[The International]] || [[Clive Owen]] || Louis Salinger || . || .
|-
| [[Jingle All the Way]] || various || Minneapolis P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Day the Earth Stood Still, The (2008)|The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)]] || . || New Jersey state trooper || . || .
|-
| [[Traitor]] || [[Saïd Taghmaoui]] || Omar || . || .
|-
| [[Strange Days]] || [[Angela Bassett]] || Lornette 'Mace' Mason || . || .
|-
| [[Strange Days]] || [[Michael Wincott]] || Philo's man || . || .
|-
| [[The Sentinel]] || . || An assassin || fitted with a suppressor || .
|-
| [[Unknown]] || [[Chris Mulkey]] || Detective James Curtis || . || .
|-
| [[Unknown]] || [[Clayne Crawford]] || Detective Anderson || . || .
|-
| [[Dreamcatcher]] || . || Truck driver || . || .
|-
| [[Dragon Wars: D-War]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[Gabriel]] || [[Andy Whitfield]] || Gabriel || dual-wielded with suppressors || .
|-
| [[Quantum of Solace]] || various || corrupt police officers || . || .
|-
| [[Mad Money]] || various || Kansas City Police officers and detectives || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || [[Jason Statham]] || Chev Chelios || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || [[Art Hsu]] || Johnny Vang || . || .
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || various || L.A.P.D. officers || . || .
|-
| [[MR 73]] || . || French national police officer || . || .
|-
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || various || U.S. Army soldiers || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Esai Morales]] || Staff Sergeant Stern || FS standing in for M9 || .
|-
| [[Needful Things]] || [[Ed Harris]] || Sheriff Pangborn || . || .
|-
| [[State of Grace]] || [[Ed Harris]] || Frankie || . || .
|-
| [[Red Heat]] || [[Tengiz Borisoff]] || Josip Barada || 92F || .
|-
| [[Nemesis 2: Nebula]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Nemesis III: Prey Harder]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Nemesis 4: Death Angel]] || [[Sue Price]] || Alex Sinclair || . || .
|-
| [[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The|The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada]] || [[Barry Pepper]] || Mike Norton || . || .
|-
| [[You Kill Me]] || [[Ben Kingsley]] || Frank Falenczyk || . || .
|-
| [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS|Brother 2]] || [[Viktor Sukhorukov]] || Victor Bagrov || . || .
|-
| [[Brother 2#Police weapon on Viktor's detention|Brother 2]] || various || American cops || . || .
|-
| [[Species]] || [[Ben Kingsley]] || Xavier Fitch || . || .
|-
| [[Species]] || [[Michael Madsen]] || Preston Lennox || . || .
|-
| [[Nothing But Trouble]] || || || || 1991
|-
| [[Extreme Prejudice]] || [[Larry B. Scott]] || Sgt. Charles Biddle || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]] || various || FBI Agents || 92F (continuity error) || 1988
|-
| [[Hidden, The|The Hidden]] || [[Ed O'Ross]] || Detective Cliff Willis || 92F || 1987
|-
| [[Ticker]] || [[Milos Milicevic]] || Milos || || 2001
|-
| [[Ticker]] || || San Francisco P.D. Officers || || 2001
|-
| [[Beyond the Law]] || [[Leon Rippy]] || Virgil|| . || 1992
|-
| [[Beyond the Law]] || [[Michael Madsen]] || Blood|| nickel plated, wood grips || 1992
|-
| [[Evolution]] || [[Seann William Scott]] and various || Wayne Gray/U.S. Army personnel || Standing in for M9 || 2001
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || Homeowner || [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] || With two-tone finish || 2000 - ????
|-
| [[Nikki Amuka-Bird]] || Samantha Willis || [[Survivors]] || || 2008 - 2010
|-
| [[Julie Graham]] || Abby Grant || [[Survivors]] || || 2008 - 2010
|-
| || || [[Bugs]] / "A Sporting Chance" || || 1995 - 1999
|-
| || Arizona State Trooper || [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || || 1994
|-
| [[Jonathan Togo]] || Ryan Wolfe || [[CSI: Miami]] || || 2002 - ????
|-
| [[Tom Sizemore]] || Private Investigator Kurt Rossi || [[CSI: Miami]] / "Down to the Wire" || || 2002 - ????
|-
| [[Jason James Elliott]] || Lt. Cmdr. Harmon "Harm" Rabb, Jr. || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Catherine Bell]] || Lt. Col. Sarah "Mac" Mackenzie || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[John M. Jackson]] || Adm. A.J. Chegwidden || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Tracy Needham]] || Lt. J.G. Austin || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Andrea Thompson]] || Cdr. Krennick || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| || U.S. military personnel || [[JAG]] || || 1995 - 2005
|-
| [[Donnie Wahlberg]] || Captain Horst Cali || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Currie Graham]] || Cpl. Shaver || [[Over There]] || || 2005
|-
| [[Amanda Tapping]] || Maj. Samantha Carter || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Michael Shanks]] || Dr. Daniel Jackson || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Sona Norisová]] || Npor. Jana Holiková || [[Mesto Tienov]] || || 2008-
|-
| [[Dan Castellaneta]] || Joe Spencer || [[Stargate: SG1]] / "Citizen Joe" || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| || U.S. military personnel || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| [[Keifer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Michael Imperioli]] || Christopher Moltisanti || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "A Hit is A Hit" || With silencer || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Tony Sirico]] || Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[James Gandolfini]] || Tony Soprano || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "The Test Dream" || With silencer || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Joseph R. Gannascoli]] || Vito Spatafore || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Mr. and Mrs. John Sacrimoni Reqiest..." || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| || Hitmen || [[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]] / "Whitecaps" || || 1999 - 2007
|-
| [[Lennie James]] || Robert Hawkins || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || With & without silencer || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Gerald McRaney]] || Johnston Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Skeet Ulrich]] || Jake Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Kenneth Mitchell]] || Eric Green || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Brad Beyer]] || Stanley Richmond || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Richard Speight, Jr.]] || Bill Kohler || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| [[Daniel Roebuck]] || Matthew Lake || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] / "Boxed In" || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Cote de Pablo]] || Ziva David || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Rudolf Martin]] || Ari Haswari || [[NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service]] / "Kill Ari Pt. 2" || || 2003 - ????
|-
| [[Chris O'Donnell]] || G. Callen || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[L.L. Cool J]] || Sam Hanna || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Peter Weireter]] || LAPD Officer || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || LAPD officers || [[NCIS Los Angeles]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Militant extremists || [[Star Trek: Voyager]] / "Future's End" || || 1995 - 2001
|-
| [[Robert Urich]] || Spenser || [[Spenser: For Hire]] || || 1985 - 1988
|-
| [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] || Frank Parker || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Don Franklin]] || Cpt. Craig Donovan || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| || U.S. Military personnel || [[Seven Days]] || || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Mitzi Kapture]] || Rita || [[Silk Stalkings]] || || 1991 - 1999
|-
| [[Terry O'Quinn]] || John Locke || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Harold Perrineau]] || Michael Dawson || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Michelle Rodriguez]] || Ana-Lucia || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Matthew Fox]] || Jack Shephard || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Yunjin Kim]] || Jin Kwon || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Elizabeth Mitchell]] || Juliet Burke || [[Lost]] || || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Naveen Andrews]] || Sayid Jarrah || [[Lost]] || Switches with [[Non Guns#Beretta 92F|Non-Gun]] || 2004 - 2010
|-
| [[Lena Headey]] || Sarah Connor || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Brian Austin Green]] || Derek Reese || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] / "Dungeons & Dragons" || With silencer || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Thomas Dekker]] || John Connor || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| || Police Officers || [[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]] || || 2008 - 2009
|-
| [[Shawn Hatosy]] || Det. Sammy Bryant || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Michael McGrady]] || Det. Daniel "Sal" Salinger || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Kevin Alejandro]] || Det. Nate Moretta || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[C. Thomas Howell]] || Officer Billy Dewey || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| [[Tom Everett Scott]] || Det. Russell Clarke || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Gangbanger || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || L.A.P.D. officers || [[Southland]] || || 2009 - ????
|-
| || Terrorist || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| || Bank Guard || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| || Police officers || [[Criminal Minds]] || || 2005 - ????
|-
| [[Will Yun Lee]] || Jae Kim || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Isaiah Washington]] || Antonio Pope || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Jordan Bridges]] || Tom Hastings || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Aleks Paunovic]] || BG Assault Team Leader Curtis || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| || Berkut Group Tactical officers || [[Bionic Woman]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Kristanna Loken]] || DEA Agent Jane Vasco || [[Painkiller Jane]] || || 2007
|-
| [[Bruce Campbell]] || Sam Axe || [[Burn Notice]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[Damien Lewis]] || Charlie Crews || [[Life]] || || 2007 - 2009
|-
| [[Sergey Bezrukov]] || Sasha Belov || [[Brigada]] || Disguised cigarette lighter || 2002 - ????
|-
| Every Person || Themselves || [[Top Shot]] || || 2010
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Revy || [[Black Lagoon]] ||
|-
| Natasha Radinov || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Rally Vincent || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || With magazine removed || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Off-duty cop || [[Gunsmith Cats]] || || 1995 - 1996
|-
| Black Scissors enforcers || [[Mezzo DSA]] || || 2004
|-
| Hijacker || [[Mezzo DSA]] || || 2004
|-
| John McClaine || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
| Knights of Paris || [[Noir]] || With silencers || 2001
|-
| Rimelda Jorg || [[Madlax]] || || 2004
|-
| Gazth-Sonika military personnel || [[Madlax]] || || 2004
|-
| Gin || [[Case Closed: The Raven Chaser]] || With & without silencer || 2009
|-
| Gin || [[Case Closed]] || || 1996 - ????
|-
|Asobi ni Ikuyo! || || || 2010
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[America's Army]] || As the "M9 Beretta" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Battlefield 2]] || || || With and without silencer || 2005
|-
| [[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]] || || || With and without silencer || 2005
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M92FS" || || || 2008
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M92F SE" || || With two-tone finish || 2008
|-
| [[Cross Fire]] || || || || 2007
|-
| [[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]] || As the "M9 Beretta" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Enter the Matrix]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2003
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance 2]] || || || || 1999
|-
| [[Max Payne (video game)|Max Payne]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2001
|-
| [[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]] || || || Can be dual-wielded || 2003
|-
| [[Metal Gear]] || || || || 1987
|-
| [[Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake]] || || || || 1990
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid]] || || || || 1998
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid]] || || || XM9, with tranq dart modification || 1998
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]] || || || XM9, with and without tranq dart modification, silencer, and laser pointer || 2001
|-
| [[Operation 7]] || || || ||
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] || || || With optional silencer, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2006
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]] || || || With optional silencer, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2008
|-
| [[Resident Evil 3: Nemesis]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S. Custom" || || Heavily customized || 1999
|-
| [[Resident Evil 5]] || || || With laser pointer || 2009
|-
| [[Resident Evil 0]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S Custom" || || Heavily customized, with optional scope || 2002
|-
| [[Resident Evil (2002)|Resident Evil]] || As the "M92F S.T.A.R.S. Custom" || || Heavily customized || 2002
|-
| [[Resident Evil (game)|Resident Evil]] || || || || 1996
|-
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] || As the "Martha" || || || 2007
|-
| [[Shadow Force: Razor Unit]] || As the "M9" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || As the "M9" || || || 2009
|-
| [[Splinter Cell Chaos Theory]] || || || || 2005
|-
| [[Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War]] || || || Seen in cutscenes, non-playable || 2004
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || As the "Beretta M9" || || || 2005
|-
| [[Little Busters!]] || || || || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92FS Inox ==
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm. This pistol was the screen used gun, used throughout the film by Det. Max Kirkpatrick ([[William Baldwin]]) and once by Kate McQuean ([[Cindy Crawford]]) in the film ''[[Fair Game]]''.]]
Inox is short for ''Inoxidizable'', the slide, barrel and minor parts are made of stainless steel instead of black carbon steel. Frame is alloy like the standard FS models with a different finish.

''NOTE: The Beretta 92FS Inox was first introduced in 1990, and was the very first pistol that Beretta ever offered with the stainless Inoxidizable finish. None of Beretta's earlier 92-series pistols, including the original 92F or the 92SB, were ever offered with the Inox finish. Therefore, '''any movie made prior to 1990 cannot possibly feature the 92FS Inox.''' If you see a silver Beretta pistol in a movie made before 1990, it is most likely a nickel-plated Beretta pistol that was re-finished by a gunsmith (the Inox finish is a dull matte stainless, whereas nickel finishes are shiny). It is also possible that you may be looking at a [[Taurus PT92]], which is a Brazilian pistol that is commonly mistaken by viewers for the Beretta (unlike the Beretta 92 series, the Taurus PT92 has been offered with factory stainless and nickel finishes since 1985). Always check carefully and never assume that a silver Beretta-type pistol is a 92FS Inox unless you are sure.''

=== Film ===

* [[Jason Patric]] as Tellis in ''[[Narc]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Vincent in ''[[Ronin]]''

* Haitian gang members in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* [[Michael Madsen]] as Blood in ''[[Beyond the Law]]''

* [[Mekhi Phifer]] as Andre and [[Michael Kelly]] as CJ in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''

* Police officers in ''[[Ghost Rider]]''

* [[Ray Stevenson]] as Frank Castle in [[Punisher: War Zone]]''

* [[Viggo Mortensen]] as Tom Stall and several mafia henchmen in ''[[A History of Violence]]''

* [[Rowan Atkinson]] as Johnny English in ''[[Johnny English]]''

* [[Milla Jovovich]] as Alice in ''[[Resident Evil]]''

* [[Chris Tucker]] as Detective James Carter in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Lindsey Ginter]] as Holloway in ''[[Beverly Hills Cop 3]]''

* [[Flex Alexander]] as Clarence Dewey and [[Samuel L. Jackson]] as FBI Agent Neville Flynn in ''[[Snakes on a Plane]]''

* [[Michael Papajohn]] as the carjacker in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter, The|The Transporter]]''

* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors 2: Aftershocks]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Joe Hallenbeck in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]''

* [[Tom Sizemore]] as boss Paulie Pintero in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* [[James Remar]] as Agent Markham in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''

* One of Jack Travis' henchmen in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Calvin Jung]] as Detective Ng in ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Art Jeffries in ''[[Mercury Rising]]''

* [[Damian Lewis]] as Yassen Gregorovich in ''[[Stormbreaker]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as Toorop in ''[[Babylon A.D.]]'' (fitted with custom compensator)

* [[Adam Goldberg]] as The Hebrew Hammer in ''[[The Hebrew Hammer]]''

* [[Terry Crews]] as Washington in ''[[Street Kings]]''

* [[Ben Foster]] as Mars Krupcheck in ''[[Hostage (2005)|Hostage]]''

* [[Andrew Bryniarski]] as Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. in ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''

* [[Yau-Gene Chan]] as Peter Wei in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Natasha Henstridge]] as Lt. Melanie Ballard in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* Police Officers in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* [[Simon Baker]] as Riley in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter 2]]'' (promotional material only)

* Ukrainian mobster in Chicago in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS Inox|Brother 2]]

* Shinji Mimura in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]

* Valri Bromfield as Constable 'Miss Purdah' in [[Nothing But Trouble]]

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || || [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] || || 2000 - ????
|-
| [[Michael Rosenbaum]] || Lex Luthor || [[Smallville]] || || 2001 - ????
|-
| [[Chuck Norris]] || Cordell Walker || [[Walker: Texas Ranger]] || With pearl grips || 1993 - 2001
|-
| [[Jeff Kaake]] || Thomas Cole || [[Viper]] || || 1996 - 1999
|-
| [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Carlos Bernard]] || Tony Almeida || [[24]] || || 2001 - 2010
|-
| [[Juliet Aubrey]] || Helen Cutter || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[James Murray]] || Stephen Hart || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
|-
| [[Max Martini]] || Sgt. Mack Gerhardt || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Bedfellows" || || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Mike Seeklander]] || Himself || [[Top Shot]] || With suppressor || 2010
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Resident Evil (game)|Resident Evil]] || || || Director's cut only, with wood grips || 1996
|-
| [[Stranglehold]] || || || || 2007
|-
| [[Saints Row 2]] || || || || 2008
|-
| [[Urban Terror]] || || || || 2000
|-
| [[Uncharted: Drake's Fortune]] || || || || 2007
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Revy || [[Black Lagoon]] || Heavily customized, named "Sword Cutlass" || 2006
|-
| Hirooka || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
| Momokichi's body guards || [[Mezzo Forte]] || || 1998
|-
|}
 

== Beretta 92FS Compact ==

[[Image:Beretta_compact.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS Compact 9x19mm]]
The compact version of the Beretta 92FS, featuring a smaller frame and a shorter barrel and slide.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Paycheck]]|| [[Colm Feore]] || John Wolfe || || 2003
|-
| [[Paycheck]] || || Henchmen || || 2003
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 4]] || || Flamethrower man || Inoxized finish || 1998
|-
| [[Matrix Reloaded, The|The Matrix Reloaded]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Trinity || [[Animatrix, The|The Animatrix]] / "Detective Story" || || 2003
|-
|}

== Beretta 92FS Centurion ==

A compact version of the Beretta 92FS, featuring the standard frame, but with a shorter barrel and slide.
[[Image:Beretta92Centurion.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92 Centurion 9x19mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Rush Hour 3]] || [[Chris Tucker]] || Carter || || 2007
|-
| [[The Matrix Reloaded]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || || 2003
|-
| [[Bandits]] || [[Billy Bob Thornton]] || Terry Collins || Inox finish || 2001
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Agent Stanley Goodspeed ||Inox finish || 1996
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 2]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
| [[Hard Rain]] || [[Peter Murnik]] || Trooper Phil || Inox finish || 1998
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon 2]]|| || || || 1989
|-
| [[Hollow Point]]|| || || || 1996
|-
|}

=== Television ===

* ''[[The Beast]]''

 

== Beretta 92FS Brigadier ==
[[Image:44 elenco.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta 92FS Brigadier 9x19mm]]
A Beretta 92FS with a heavier slide (recognizable by the large triangular projections running halfway along the slide over the barrel).

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || With two-tone finish || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || || Q-Ball gang member || With two-tone finish || 2003
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible 2]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
|}

 

== Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox ==
[[Image:BrigadierInox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox 9x19mm with custom grips, as seen in ''The Matrix Revolutions'']]
A Beretta 92FS Brigadier featuring Beretta's Inox finish.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] || Trinity || With custom grips || 2003
|-
| [[Matrix Revolutions, The|The Matrix Revolutions]] || || Guard || With custom grips || 2003
|-
| [[Uncharted: Drakes Fortune]] || || || || 2007
|}
 

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Yuri || [[Angel Beats!]] || || 2010
|-
|}

== Beretta 92G Elite 1A ==
[[Image:Beretta92GElite1A.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92G Elite 1A - 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Live Free or Die Hard]] || || Terrorist || || 2007
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible III]] || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || ||
|-
| [[Mission: Impossible III]] || [[Keri Russell]] || Lindsey Ferris || ||
|-
|}

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

== Beretta 92G Elite II ==
[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|right|900px|Beretta 92G Elite II 9x19mm]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] || [[Ice Cube]] || Darius Stone || || 2005
|-
| [[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]] || [[Angelina Jolie]] || Jane Smith || || 2005
|-
| [[Pineapple Express]] || [[Rosie Perez]] || Officer Carol Brazier || || 2008
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Jonathan Togo]] || Ryan Wolfe || [[CSI: Miami]] || || 2002 - ????
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Counter Strike]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2000
|-
| [[Counter Strike: Condition Zero]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2003
|-
| [[Counter Strike: Source]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2004
|-
| [[Army of Two]] || M92 Elite II || || With various customizations available || 2008
|-
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] || .40 Dual Elite || || Wielded akimbo || 2007
|-
|}

== Beretta 92 ==
[[Image:Beretta92oldest.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92, the first Beretta 92 Series model produced, noted by rounded trigger guard, butt located magazine release, and frame mounted safety (pre-decocking safety) - 9x19mm.]]
The first model Beretta, this model featured a rounded trigger guard, frame mounted slide stop safety (as opposed to the later pistols' slide mounted decocking safety), an early style floor plate, and a butt located magazine release.

''Note: Refering to any other model of Beretta as a "Beretta 92" when not referring to this model is incorrect designation.''

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Bourne Identity, The (1988)|The Bourne Identity]] || [[Richard Chamberlain]] || Jason Bourne || || 1988
|-
| [[Hotel Rwanda]] || || Rwandan Army Commander || || 2004
|-
| [[Hotel Rwanda]] || [[Fana Mokoena]] || General Bizimungu || || 2004
|-
| [[Hurt Locker, The|The Hurt Locker]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] || SSGT. William James || || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Voice Actor (English)'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Voice Actor (Japanese)'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Death Note]] || David Hurwitz || Nozomu Sasaki || Mello (Miheal Keehl) || || 2006
|-
|}

== Beretta 92S ==
[[Image:Beretta Mod92S.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92S - 9x19mm. This is one of the earliest Beretta 92 variants. Note the magazine released button on the bottom of the pistol grip and early style magazine floor plate.]]
The first modification of the original 92; Beretta modified the Beretta 92 by adding a slide-mounted combined safety and decocking lever, replacing the frame mounted manual thumb safety. This model only has a decocking safety on the left side, the later [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] would make the safety ambidextrous.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Wanted]] || [[James McAvoy]] || Wesley || With custom ornate grips and compensator || 2008
|-
| [[Wanted]] || [[David O'Hara]] || Mr. X || With custom ornate grips and compensator || 2008
|-
|}

 

== Beretta 92SB ==
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92SB - 9x19mm (note rounded trigger guard and flat bottom magazine).]]
[[Image:92SBINOX.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta Model 92SB with wood grips - 9x19mm.]]

The previous Air Force sidearm model of the Beretta 92, easily identified by its rounded trigger guard as the 92F and 92FS would later incorporate the squared trigger guard. Also to note, a 92S is the same with only a right handed decocker and the magazine release placed lower on the frame, the SB is an ambidextrous safety version with the release placed at the end of the trigger guard, making the S somewhat obsolete.

===Film===

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| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Owen Wilson]] || Lt. Chris Burnett || || 2001
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| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Gabriel Macht]] || Lt. Stackhouse || || 2001
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| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || [[Vladimir Mashkov]] || Sasha || || 2001
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| [[Independence Day]] || [[Adam Baldwin]] || Major Mitchell || || 1996
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| [[Toy Soldiers]] || [[Michael Champion]] || Jack Thorpe || || 1991
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| [[Ice Harvest, The|The Ice Harvest]] || [[Randy Quaid]] || Bill Guerrard || With wood grips and chrome finish || 2005
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| [[Sudden Impact]] || [[Audrie J. Neenan]] || Ray Parkins || || 1983
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| [[The Forsaken]] || [[Brendan Fehr]] || Nick || With wood grips and chrome finish || 2001
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| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Captain Darrow || With wood grips || 1996
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| [[Bourne Supremacy, The|The Bourne Supremacy]] || [[Matt Damon]] || Jason Bourne || || 2004
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| [[Quantum of Solace]] || [[Daniel Craig]] || James Bond || || 2008
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| [[Big Trouble in Little China ]] || || Chang Sing members || || 1986
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| [[Inception]] || [[Cillian Murphy]] || Robert Fischer || || 2010
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===Television===

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| [[Fred Dryer]] || Det. Rick Hunter || [[Hunter]] || || 1984 - 1985
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| [[Gary Graham]] || Det. Matthew Sikes || [[Alien Nation - The Series]] || || 1989 - 1990
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| [[Juliet Aubrey]] || Helen Cutter || [[Primeval]] || || 2007 - ????
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===Video Games===

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| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || As the "M9" || || With & without silencer || 2007
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== Beretta 92SB-C ==

[[Image:92SB-C.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92SB-C 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]
[[Image:Beretta92C.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 92SB-C Silver 9x19mm, compact model of the 92SB.]]
The compact version of the Beretta 92SB.

===Film===

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| [[True Lies]]|| [[Tia Carrere]] || Juno Skinner || || 1994
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| [[Lethal Weapon 2]] || [[Grand L. Bush]] || Detective Collins || || 1989
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| [[Innerspace]]|| [[Meg Ryan]] || Lydia Maxwell || || 1987
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|}

 

== Beretta M9A1 ==

A new version of the military M9, with a Picatinny rail, checkered back strap, and reversible magazine release for left-handed shooters.

[[Image:BerettaM9A1.jpg|thumb|350px|right|Beretta M9A1 - 9x19mm. Updated version of the military M9 Beretta. It has an integral rail for mounting flashlights or lasers, reversible magazine release, and checkered back strap for better grip, similar to that seen on [[Glock]] pistols]]

===Films===

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| [[Death Race]]|| || Police || || 2008
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|}

===Video Games===

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| [[Freedom Fighters]] || || || With 17-round magazine || 2003
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| [[Shadow Force: Razor Unit]] || As the "M9" || || || 2002
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| [[Killing Floor]] || As the "9mm tactical pistol" || || With weaponlight || 2009
|-
| [[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter]] ||M9||weaponlight|| ||2006
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| [[Ghost Recon: Island Thunder]] ||M9||||seen with or without suppressor||2003
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== Beretta 90two ==
[[Image:Beretta 90two02.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 90Two Type F - 9x19mm]]

===Film===

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| [[Resident Evil: Afterlife]]|| Ali Larter || Claire Redfield || || 2010
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=== Video Games ===

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| [[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3]] || As the "90-TWO" || || || 2010
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| [[Heavy Rain]] || || || || 2010
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=== Anime ===

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| Tres "Gunslinger" Iqus || [[Trinity Blood]] || Heavily customized with laser pointers || 2005
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[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Pistol]]

Black Lagoon

2010-08-03T15:21:25Z

GaBoy45:

The following firearms were seen used in the Anime Black Lagoon

[[Image:BLmaincast.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The main cast from the left to right, Dutch, Revy, Rock, and Benny. Rare image where Rock ever wields a gun like he knows how to use it wearing most likely a standard shoulder holster unlike Revy who has a double for her other gun.]]

Like many anime, Black Lagoon is a manga, currently still running. The anime consists of two 12 episode television series and a five part OVA which is currently airing.

The story takes places in the 1990s and follows Okajima Rokuro, an ordinary Japanese businessman who's happened to have mixed himself up with a band of mercenaries in the South China sea. Unable to return home, "Rock" joined this "company" in their many variety of missions, which may involve violent firefights, hand-to-hand combat, or nautical battles in various Southeast Asian locations, and when not doing much, the members of the Lagoon Company spend much of their down time at The Yellow Flag, a bar in the fictional city of Roanapur, Thailand.

= Handguns =

== Custom Beretta 92F aka "Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special" ==

The weapons of choice for the main female character, Revy are twin modified [[Beretta 92F]] model pistols, which are stainless steel and have a 5.9 inch barrel and slide configuration, 1 inch longer than any standard Beretta 92 model. They are engraved with "9mm Sword Cutlass", the Jolly Roger of the famous pirate Calico Jack (which is also inlaid into the ivory grips), and an inscription in Thai. Revy calls it the "Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special". Due to Revy's ambidextrous marksmanship skills, she is nicknamed "Two Hands" by the people of Roanapur. Revy always wears her Cutlass pistols from double cross-draw shoulder holsters and almost always draws them simultaneously to lay down an incredible rate of suppressing fire.

[[Image:SwordCutlass9mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Replica of Revy's [[Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] "9mm Sword Cutlass".]]
[[Image:SwordCutlass9mm2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy fires her [[Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] in the opening credits.]]
[[Image:2hands.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Oh, ''that's'' why they call her ''"Two Hands"''OHGODI'VEBEENSHOT!!!!!]]
[[Image:Revy&Eda.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy and Eda fire their guns at "freaks".]]
[[Image:Revy&Eda2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the South Pacific, car horns are replaced with easily pissed off babes armed to the teeth.]]
[[Image:Swordcutlass9mmsight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I don't think this is what the "play" in "playground" means.]]

[[Image:Blo192f1.JPG|thumb|none|500px| OVA OP ]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 629 ==

This [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is Dutch's sidearm throughout the series and he is so proficient with it that he can fire it from his hip and hit several targets dead on.

[[Image:S&WModel629.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] with Hogue Grips - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Revyanddutch.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy and Dutch hold Rock hostage. They're aiming like gangstahz.]]
[[Image:SW629Dutch'sgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dutch fires his [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] at a "robot from the future".]]
[[Image:SW629Dutch'sgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I know what you're thinking, is he gonna make a Dirty Harry reference, or isn't he? Well, to tell you the truth in all it's years of circulation I've kinda lost my liking for the film. I mean it's gotten cheezy, so I decided to make my own little parody of the famous quote, and with that being said, you have to ask yourself one question; "Do I think this is funny?" Well do ya, lil' punk?]]

== Glock 17 ==

[[Glock 17]]s were shown as the most prominent handgun for the Colombian Mafia during the bar scene in the first episode of the OVA. It is somewhat anachronistic since the Glocks shown were 3rd Generation because they all have the accessory rail, which didn't come out until the late 90s. It is confirmed that the series takes place in 1995 so it is unlikely that the Colombian Mafia would have gotten a hold of any Glocks pass 2nd Generation.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Blo1g17.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:Blo1g17a.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Note the rails these Glocks have and the 3rd gun down is a CZ-75]]

== Glock 17L ==

A [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] is used by Sister Eda, who is part of a group called "The Church of Violence", an arms dealing racket.

[[Image:G17l.jpg|thumb|none|400px| [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] (Gen 2 Pistol) - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:G17LEda'sGlock17L.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Couldn't ask for a better shot. Beautiful.]]

[[Image:G17LEda1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda's first appearance]]

[[Image:G17LEda2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda and Revy cover the door. Eda comments on how Rock saving the girl is "manly". Rock and Eda sitting in a tree...]]
[[Image:G17LEda4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy's [[Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to the left, Eda's [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] to the right. This is one of the few instances where they let their compatriotship for eachother shine, as 99 percent of the time they are fighting over Rock or which one is the better shot.]]
[[Image:G17LEda3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda aims her [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] at one of the "freaks" from the "Greenback Jane" story arc who informs Eda (and the audience) that he knows she is working for the CIA. Of course,that is classified information, and she's got a gun to his head, so she thinks that a little extension of discretion is in order. In other words, ''*BANG!*'']]

== Modified Luger P08 Artillery model ==

This seemed to be based off the [[Luger P08|Luger P08 Artillery Model Pistol]] and was seen used by one of the Aryan soldiers, but was never fired. It was seen cocked twice for some odd reason since the character already cocked it once in a previous scene. The unique Luger seen was apparently a custom built firearm with a gold finish, an artillery length barrel and chambered for .454 Casull rounds. The Soldier referred to the gun as "the Eiserne Reich Luger Special". He also mentions features for the gun such as a "two bullet chamber" (a bad translation for "double-stack magazine"), which don't entirely make sense, but the endless ranting matches the profile of a supremacist who does nothing but talk of the greatness of what he holds, both in his hand and heart, his dark, misguided heart.

[[Image:LugerP08Artillery.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 Artillery Model Pistol 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BLLugerp17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Someone understands the luger's toggle system..... sort of. Hey it's drawings, what are you gonna do?]]
[[Image:BLLugerp17a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|.............is stupid.]]

== Desert Eagle ==

The leader of the mercenaries in the first episode, held a Desert Eagle. An engraved, gold plated Mark I [[Desert Eagle]] is used by the "mother superior" of the Church of Violence, the one eyed, old Yolanda. Despite being huge, heavy and powerful, the old lady handles it like it was nothing.

[[Image:DesertEagle357Black.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:DesertEagleGolden.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Golden Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50 AE.]]
[[Image:BLDE1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:Yolanda'sspecialDeagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The only time Yolanda draws this special Desert Eagle in all it's heavenly glory. "Holy Mary, mother of God."]]
[[Image:BLDEa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side view of Yolanda's Golden [[Desert Eagle]].]]

== Mauser C96 Type 712 ==

One character, Rotton the Wizard carries dual [[Mauser C96|Mauser M712 "Schnellfeuer"]] pistols. He never uses them, as he feels his speech talents are more destructive, but this proves to be... ineffective.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer]]
[[Image:Mc96speciala.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rotton "the Wizard" flashes his [[Mauser C96|Mauser M712 "Schnellfeuer"]] to show that he is in fact armed.]]
[[Image:Mc96special.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rotton’s short lived Soliloquoy...]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

[[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]]s were seen used by numerous characters, but primarily with the Russian Mafia, Hotel Moscow, and it is their standard sidearm. It is also seen used by the guerrilla Ibraha.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm]]
[[Image:BLTT33c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of a [[Tokarev TT-33]] carried by a thug at the Yellow Flag.]]
[[Image:BLTT33a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ibraha attempts to intimidate Rock into talking with his [[Tokarev TT-33]].]]
[[Image:BLTT33b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Surprisingly Rock isn't shitting his pants now that there's a gun rubbing against his head. Obviously this pansy is nowhere near as scary as Revy.]]
[[Image:Rockthreatened.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ooo, tough crowd.]]
[[Image:BLTT33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Balalaika's men attempted to reach for his TT-33 after being slashed by an axe]]

== Stechkin APS ==

The [[Stechkin APS]] is Balalaika's sidearm throughout the series, and is also used by Yukio Washimine on full auto.

[[Image:Pistol Russian Stechkin 9x18mm Makarov machine pistol 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stechkin APS 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowPMM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Balalaika aims her [[Stechkin APS]] at Rock.]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowPMM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Of course not, how many people have expressed anger by pointing guns at others? Wait, don't answer that.]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowPMM3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I guess she's still angry, er, ''not'' angry with him.]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Christmas morning at [[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]]'s house. Ha, if only. Yukio recieves her neatly packaged [[Stechkin APS]].]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Yukio examines the [[Stechkin APS]]. You can't get a clearer shot of it than this.]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|No, she just doesn't want to be the only gal in the episode without a badass gun.]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|When people think about ''"kids running around with guns in the streets"'', no one envisions cute high school girls like Yukio. They should.]]

== Makarov PM ==

During a split second flashback in the OVA, we see Roberta clutching a [[Makarov PM]].

[[Image:Makarov pm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM in Stainless (Baikal Imported Model IJ-70 Pistol) - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Blo1pm1.JPG|thumb|none|600px| ]]

== 1911==

Multiple variants of the [[1911]] has been seen several times in the series either up close by central characters or in the foreground by random thugs. Most appear blued and not Parkerized, and feature the full bar safety.

[[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:BL1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug brandishes his [[M1911A1]].]]
[[Image:BL1911a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same thug aims his [[M1911A1]] at the Church of Violence. Wrong motherfuckin' church, pal.]]
[[Image:BL1911b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:Blo11911.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A yet-to-be-named Lieutenant in the first OVA, prepares to draw his 1911. It appears to have pearl grips.]]

== AMT Hardballer Longslide ==

Chang dual wields two (somehow blued and not stainless steel) [[AMT Hardballer]] pistols with extended slide assemblies. You figure that since he is an allegory for [[Chow Yun-Fat]]'s various characters in John Woo Films, he'd have two [[Beretta 92FS]] Pistols, but then he'd be so close to the inspiration there might just be a lawsuit of some sort. Interesingly enough in the most recent chapters of the manga he even claims to be a former cop.

[[Image:Hardballer Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AMT Hardballer Longslide - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Chang'sballers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Hard Boiled]] reference. In fact, everything about Mr. Chang is a John Woo reference.]]
[[Image:Chang'sballers2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chang's assistant presents him with his [[AMT Hardballer]] Longslides.]]

== Beretta 76 ==

For some odd reason, Mr. Chang wields two [[Beretta 76]] .22 LR caliber handguns as he did with his 1911s when fighting off Gretel's assault on him.

[[Image:Beretta76.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 76 - .22 LR.]]
[[Image:Beretta762.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The dragon inlaid in the grip of Chang's [[Beretta 76]].]]
[[Image:Changwith76.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chang isn't ''"wielding akimbo"'', he's ''"John Wooing"'' those guns.]]
[[Image:Chang2with76.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nah, call a cab. Or rickshaw, whatever your fancy.]]
[[Image:Beretta764.jpg|thumb|none|500px|.22 Pistols? This guy will use anything ''but'' 92s! John Woo must have threatened them or something.]]

== Ruger Blackhawk ==

A [[Ruger Blackhawk]] was used by Chaka, who fancied himself as some kind of wild west gunman. It was later destroyed when Ginji sliced it up with his superhuman strength and sword. From the looks of it, Chaka's Ruger has a rear end sight. In this case it is not a Single Action Army; it is Ruger's base on an SAA.

[[Image:RugerBlackhawk44magnum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Blackhawk - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:wannabeDH.jpg|thumb|none|500px|He's trying so hard to be Dirty Harry, he doesn't deserved to be humored with a funny parodied quote.]]
[[Image:ChakaCSAA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Demented half smiling faces? Cute abducted schoolgirls? Yep, this is definitely Japan.]]
[[Image:ChopSAA2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I don't think this is how you disassemble the gun for cleaning.]]
[[Image:ChopSAA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nope, definitely not.]]

== Sistema Colt Modelo 1927 ==

Two of these are used solely by Roberta, a former FARC guerrilla trained as an assassin, who cleverly disguises herself as a maid do escape her old life of warfare and death. It makes sense for Roberta to carry [[M1911A1|Sistemas]] since she comes from South America.

[[Image:Sistema1927.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sistema Colt Model 1927 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Roberta1927s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maid to kill.]]
[[Image:Roberta1927s1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta draws her [[M1911A1|Sistemas]] atop Benny's car like "a killer robot from the future".]]
[[Image:Roberta1927s2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta's right [[M1911A1|Sistema]] is destroyed, courtesy of one of Revy's bullets.]]

== Accu-Tek HC-380 ==

This was used in the last episode once by Balalaika when she asked her Yakuza equivalent in Japan to oblige her with his guard's weapons. The second gun, an [[Accu-Tek HC-380]] causes her to lose it as she calls it an "atrocious" gun. On closer inspection it looked like the artist drew "Picatinny Rails" along the top of the slide (which are actually anti-glare serrations). She kills the Yakuza boss and his guard with it, and tosses it to Rock as a gift, claiming it was a good weapon after all. Rock, the ever passive businessman, declines the gun, and thanks Balalaika for her deed.

[[Image:445 HC-380.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accu-Tek HC-380 Pistol - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:22LRFryface.jpg|thumb|none|500px|What's Japanese for "This gun sucks"? (この銃は悪い）]]
[[Image:22LRFryface2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BL22accutec.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Here you can clearly see the Accu-Tek logo.]]
[[Image:22Rock.jpg|thumb|none|500px| "I don't like squirrel guns"]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 439 ==

Revy started her life of crime at a young age. The series alludes to her being responsible for a murder in her past, and she also explicitly stated that she killed people as a kid. In one of her flashbacks she is seen using a [[Smith & Wesson Model 439]] to shoot cans.

[[Image:SWM439.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith and Wesson Model 439.]]
[[Image:RevyS&W.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Break yo' self, can!]]
[[Image:LilRevy'sgun.jpg|thumb|500px||none|Everywhere I go, all I ever seem to hear is...]]

== Walther P38 ==

A [[Walther P38]] was used by the SS officer in a flashback and found in the corresponding sunken submarine.

[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War Two dated - 9mm]]
[[Image:BLP38.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Now you can take it.]]

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==

One of the Russians in the final story arc has a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in hand.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BLP220.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Russian aims his [[SIG-Sauer P226]]. Why he has this and not a Russian gun is not known.]]

==MP-446 "Viking"==

One of Hotel Moscow's soldiers uses a suppressed [[MP-446 "Viking"]] while hiding under a van with slashed tires.

[[Image:MP-446Viking.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-446 "Viking" - 9mm.]]
[[Image:BLHotelMoscowgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of Hotel Moscow aims his [[MP-446 "Viking"]].]]

== Ruger P90 ==

The leader of the Colombian cartel carries and fires a [[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger P90|Ruger P90]] at Roberta in the "Maid to Kill" story arc. Much later in the series, Balalaika requests to see the Japanese Bodyguard's weapons in the final negotiation. He hands her his [[Ruger P90]], with a grey finish and wood grips, similar to the ".45 Ruger" seen in an episode of ''[[Law & Order: Criminal Intent#Ruger P90|Law & Order: Criminal Intent]]''.

[[Image:P90blued.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger P90 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BRgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cartel leader fires his [[Ruger P90]].]]
[[Image:BRgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"DIE, YOU CRAZY BITCH!" The cartel leader aims his Ruger P90]]
[[Image:RugerP.png|thumb|none|500px|Balalaika inspects the bodyguard's Ruger P90. ]]

== Browning Hi-Power ==

The [[Browning Hi-Power]] was seen briefly in the hands of a thug working for the Colombian Cartel. In the OVA, another member of the Cartel holds one at Fabiola, before getting shot with her MAG-7s.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Classic Commercial Browning Hi Power (Belgian Mfg) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BLbrowning.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The cartel members fire their guns at Roberta, one of which is a [[Browning Hi-Power]] (circled in red). The one with the slide back appears to be a CZ-75]]
[[Image:BLCZ75b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== CZ 75 ==

A "Pre-B" [[CZ 75]] was seen in the hands of Takenaka in the first season finale. One of the Colombians is also seen shooting one at Roberta above in the background and one held one at her before being shot with her shotgun umbrella.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BLgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Where's the damn cigarette lighter... hey, a gun. SWEET!]]
[[Image:BLCZ75.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Takenaka shoots at Revy, aiming sideways. Gangstah!]]
[[Image:BLCZ75a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Takenaka looks at his fallen ally, gun smoking.]]

== Single Action Army ==

One of the thugs at the Yellow Flag carries a Nickel plated [[Single Action Army]].

[[Image:ColtSAA475barrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 4.75" barrel, case colored and blued, referred to as "Quick-Draw" or "Civilian" model. ]]
[[Image:BLRev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The one on the left has a [[Single Action Army]] in his holster.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19/66 ==

Other thugs in the Yellow Flag are seen with [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] and [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] revolvers. They are also seen used by "Groovy Guy" Russel in pursuit of Jane during the "Greenback Jane" arc.

[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-Model-66.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 with 4" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BLRev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The one on the right has a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] in his holster.]]
[[Image:BLRev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug at the Yellow Flag brandishes his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]].]]
[[Image:BLCowboy.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russel looks for Jane aboard the Black Lagoon with his [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].]]
[[Image:BLCowboy2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russel fires his Smith & Wesson 19 aboard the Black Lagoon at Eda.]]
[[Image:BLCowboy3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close up of Russell's revolver on the floor.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 ==

The [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is used by Elroy to kill Gretel, under orders of Hotel Moscow.

[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 36, Nickel plated - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:BLreva.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Elroy, hired by Hotel Moscow, aims his [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] at Gretel.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 10 ==

The Roanapur Police carry [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolvers as their sidearms.

[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]
[[Image:BLRPDrevs.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crap, it's the fuzz!]]

= Shotguns =

== Remington 870 Marine Magnum ==

Dutch uses a [[Remington 870|Remington 870 Marine Magnum]] when he and Revy assault a ship full of Aryan Socialist Union members in an attempt to retrieve a painting for a client. He wields this gun with tactical ease, reloading only after firing all seven rounds.

[[Image:Remington870MarineMagnum.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Marine Magnum 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Dutch'sshotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Makes the Marlboro Man look like a pansy, well, like ''more'' of a pansy.]]
[[Image:Dutchshotgunaction.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I'M ON A BOAT MOTHERFUCKER DON'T YOU EVER FORGET!]]
[[Image:Dutch'sshotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy is laughing because she, too, is on a boat.]]
[[Image:Dutch'sshotgu3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Races working together in harmony. To shoot Aryans. 'Tis a glorious day.]]

== Remington 1100 ==

Bao, the owner of the Yellow Flag owns a [[Remington 1100]] Tactical model, which he uses to defend himself with every time his bar is shot up, which occurs regularly.

[[Image:Remington1100Tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 1100 Tactical - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BLRem1100.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bao takes cover behind his bulletproof Bar with his [[Remington 1100]].]]
[[Image:BLRem1100a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bao watches Revy crawl away from the mayhem from behind his bulletproof bar.]]

== Franchi SPAS-12 ==

Roberta has a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] disguised as a parasol.

[[Image:SPAS12.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 - 12 Gauge]]

[[Image:SPAS12hidden.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta fires the parasol [[Franchi SPAS-12]] in the manga. There aren't any good shots of it in the anime, so this will have to do.]]

[[Image:SPAS12hidden2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta fires the parasol [[Franchi SPAS-12]].]]

== Double Barrel Shotgun ==

Seen in the hands of Japanese gang members.

[[Image:BLDBshotty.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Winchester Model 1897 ==

A thug during the Greenback Jane arc was carrying a [[Winchester Model 1897|Winchester 1897]] to breach a door.

[[Image:1897.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

[[Image:BLshotgunU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLshotgunUNK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLshotgunUNK2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Techno Arms MAG-7 ==

Fabiola Iglesias uses 2 South African made[[MAG-7|Techno Arms MAG-7]] shotguns in the OVA. For some reason, Fabiola's MAG-7s fire in semi-auto instead of pump action as that is how the real shotgun works and she's using buckshots. The scene where Fabiola takes out her MAG-7s, has a very [[Desperado]] feel to it, because it involves the Colombians dealing with someone deceivingly dangerous in a bar and the MAG-7s comes out of her sleeves.

[[Image:Mag7.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Techno Arms MAG-7 12 gauge x 60mm]]
[[Image:BlMAG7.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BlMAG7a.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BlMAG7b.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

= Sub-Machine Guns =

== Uzi ==

The [[Uzi]] is one of the many type of common weapons used by thugs, mercenaries, mobsters, and gangs. In one episode it was prominently shown in the hands of security detail for one of the major mafia groups in Roanapur.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi 9mm]]
[[Image:BLuzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

One of the Neo-Nazi's uses an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] to fire on Revy & Rock when they surface after escaping from the German submarine.

[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with "tropical" (wide) forearm - 9mm with stock extended]]
[[Image:BLMP5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M3A1 "Grease Gun" ==

The [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] was seen in the last arc of the the series, where a drive by with Yakuza had used theses to attack a Russian restaurant. It is even possible these guns are old war relics left by American occupied troops after World War II.

[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Y19911A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Pistolet Maszynowy wz.63 AKA PM-63 Submachine gun ==

She only used this in the 3rd episode. The Submachine gun she uses is a PM-63 SMG. It's a Polish made weapon that fires 9x18 Makarov PM.

[[Image:PM63.JPG|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:unknownSMG1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

== MAC-10 ==

The [[MAC-10]] is another common weapon used by any random thug or mercenary or even the mafia groups.

[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 open bolt Submachine gun - .45acp]]‎
[[Image:mac=10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:mac=10a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

= Assault Rifles =

== Heckler & Koch G3 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3]] was first seen in the first episode when Revy tossed one to Rock to use to defend himself. He didn't know anything about guns and refused. After a heated battled with a Hind helicopter, in a fit of rage, he threw the rifle in the air and into the ocean, pissing off Revy because it must have cost her plenty. G3 rifles have been seen in the hands of Triad boss, Chang's, security detail in a few episodes though they sometimes go back to AKs.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Rock'sG3.jpg|thumb|none|504px|Rock freaking out when given the G3.]]
[[Image:BLtriadG3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== AK-47 ==

These are the weapons, obviously the [[AK-47]], used by almost every faction in the entire anime. Symbolism to the obvious prolific nature of the infamous Assault Rifle. It has been used by all the factions. Balalaika's men during their services as part of the Russian special forces also used AK47s.

[[Image:Ak_54.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Knock Knock. Who's there? A raid.]]

[[Image:HMSVD2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another look from the back with Balalaika and her men. She had tried for the Olympics in sharpshooting.]]
[[Image:BLAK47rock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not one of Rock's better days]]

[[Image:BLtriadAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLtriadAK47a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

:''Though there are AK-47's seen all over the anime, I also think there's Norinco Type 56's thrown into the mix as well. This is determined by the hooded front sight seen on the majority of the assault rifles. That would also make sense since Black Lagoon takes place in Thailand (though the town itself is fictional), it would more likely be that there's more Type 56's than AK-47s, except for in the hands of the Russian Mafia members. -DJ T-Tom''

== AK-74 ==

Since all of Balalaika's men were Ex-Russian Paratroopers or elements of Special Forces, they would use [[AK-74]]s.

[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:BLtriadAK47sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An AK-7N with a NSPU night scope]]

[[Image:HotelMoscowAK746abc.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Give them punishment through our Kalashnikovs and rip their jaws open with 5.45mm rounds!"]]

[[Image:HotelMoscowAK7462.jpg|thumb|none|500px|For Mother Russia!]]

== AK-74U ==

Balalaika's ex-Russian Special Forces all used [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]]s during their operations in Japan. These were also seen in the hands of the mercs hired to get the data disk from Rock in the first episode.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK742.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK746.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Say hello to my little friend "Mr. AK-74 U are so fucked".]][[Image:HotelMoscowAK472.jpg|thumb|none|500px|How Russian Special Forces do hustling.]]

== APS Underwater Assault Rifle ==

An [[APS Underwater Assault Rifle]] was used once as one of those exotic 15 minutes of fame kind of guns that makes a "guest" appearence in an episode. This rifle was given to Revy from Dutch at the end of one episode for an underwater mission to retrieve a precious painting from a sunken Nazi submarine that ended up in the South Pacific. Revy fired the weapon inside the sub against the Neo-Nazis that also were after this prize. Since the weapon was designed to function both above and under water, the weapon was still able to function properly in the air-filled submarine. She later fired the gun underwater at two divers on the surface next to the pod, which is what the APS Underwater was designed for.

[[Image:APSunderwater.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BLAPS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M16A1 ==

In several scenes, we see random mercenaries in the background using [[M16A1]]s. On closer look, all of them are the kinds that were first seen in action during the Vietnam conflict. It makes sense since they are most likely mercenary groups in the South Pacific. After any major war, there is always surplus in arms supplies. During the flashback in the first OVA episode, US troops are seen using the M16A1, as noted with the forward assist on them.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BLM16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man in the center.]]
[[Image:BLM162.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 in this picture.]]
[[Image:BLM163.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Blo1m162.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:Blo1m163.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]

= Rifles =

== Dragunov SVD ==

The [[SVD Dragunov]] is the sniper rifle for the Russians as Balalaika used it with expert ease when she participated in the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm R]]
[[Image:HMSVD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Only a partial look at Balalaika in her younger days in Afgan with an SVD.]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowSCD21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aim....]]

== Remington 700 Sniper Rifle ==

Have yet to get a picture of this weapon Revy uses once in episode 11. I know it's a Remington because she says in on screen and also mentions a type of ammo called Hydra API(Armor Piercing Incendiary). Whatever it is, it has a wooden frame, a very basic look to it. Nothing special almost like a hunting rifle. Attached was a scope, maybe a 10x. The Anime has her fire two shots from the gun while in scoped view, without any bolt action sounds, but there is spacing between the shots, so the sound reception for the viewer could just be at a distance.

[[Image:Revy'srifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Gepard Anti Materiel Rifle ==

In the first episode, Revy busted out this rifle only once. She referred to it as her anti-tank rifle, but never said what it was. It's either a Gepard M2 or M3 varient. As the size of the weapon changes with the shot I can't tell wich exact model it is. In the first picture it looks like a 14.5mm M6 model. Though oddly being an anti-tank rifle, the shots did no damage to a Hind that was attacking them in the first 2 episodes.

[[Image:GepardM3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gepard M3, 14.5x114mm]]
[[Image:Revy'sBFG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Revy'sBFG2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A German soldier was seen wielding and shooting a [[Karabiner 98k]] in the flashback on the sub. Though I'm pretty sure any small arms fire inside a sub would be both loud and dangerous, but it wouldn't have mattered since the sub in the flashback was stuck.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:BL98k.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== VSS Vintorez ==

One of the Hotel Moscow soldiers was using a [[VSS Vintorez]] on Yakuza.

[[Image:vss1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BLVSS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Flintlock Rifle ==
Roberta is seen wielding some kind of Flintlock Rifle in OVA. It belongs to the Lovelace family for generations and Roberta takes it down and does drills with it expertly.

[[Image:Blo1bpr1.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Roberta with the rifle in the opening credits, hinting that she'll be actually using it later on.]]
[[Image:Blo1flintlockriflewall.JPG|600px|thumb|none|The rifle on the wall next to other old firearms of the Lovelace family]]
[[Image:Blo1flintlockrifle.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:Blo1flintlockrifle2.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]

= Machine Guns =

== DShK ==

[[DShK heavy machine gun]]s a soviet made Heavy Machine gun caliber 12.7x108mm.Seen on the back of a truck fired by Hotel Moscow troops at Hensel and Gretel.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7mm on Tripod]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M60 ==

The [[M60]] was seen only in one episode introducing the character, Rico an "Apprentice Priest" with the Church of Violence. He provided support fire while his "sisters" unloaded to intruders trespassing on their "sacred grounds".

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60Rico13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:M60Rico.jpg|thumb|none|704px|They should rename the group from Church of Violence to Outpost overkill ]]

== MG42 ==

This [[MG42]] was shown twice on the Neo-Nazi ship, fired once when Revy tried to surface. One of the leaders of the Nazis, panic when seeing Revy rampaging on the ship. When he tried to fit the belt of bullets, Revy was already behind him. The weapon was dropped when the man tried to grab a grenade, but Revy killed him.
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:BLMG3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|What a inglourious basterd]]
[[Image:BLMG3b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLMG3c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLMG3d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A3 ==

The [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] was one of the specialty weapons used in the series to show a more personal aspect in how an assassin and her choice of gun is. This awesome weapon of the past is used by Gretel, the girl twin of a very disturbing pair of assassins. Because it's an anime, the artists several times, drew the BAR to be extremely bigger than the user to show how freakishly strong she is. Apparently she uses the M1918A3 model introduced in 1940.

And Gretal usually hides it in a cute blanket with a small teddy bear attached to the end of a string holding the whole thing together. In the first instance Gretel busted her weapon out, there was a small doll handing at the end of the sling. BAR she uses has a more dark grey finish to it.

[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It's time to play.]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gretel taking aim.]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Up close of Gretel cocking her rifle]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|How can you be terrified of her when she's SOOO cute!]]

== Handheld M134 Minigun ==

An extra part of a large group of mercenaries hired to get Jane held an [[M134 Minigun]] like he was in Teminator 2 hence the "Chainsaw Grip"(The [[Predator]] model had an M60 machine gun handguard instead) , shredding through a door, but in the end was defeated by the fact that it takes a split second for the barrel to spin up and fire.

[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

[[Image:painless2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|John Connor?]]

[[Image:painless.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Ole painless.]]

== Browning M2HB ==

During OVA 1, when calling for backup, one of the SUVs belonging to the Colombian Mafia had a [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] mounted on top of it.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]]

[[Image:BLBM2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BLBM22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BLBM23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

= Grenade Launchers =

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

An [[M79 grenade launcher]] was used a few times, mostly in the first couple episodes where Revy single handedly destroyed at least 6 pirate ships with her perfect aim.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:RevyGL2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Revy taking aim and about to fire.]]
[[Image:RevyGL1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Revy Blowing the barrel of her M79 after satisfyingly shooting it.]]

== Arwen 37 ==

Twice in the series, an [[Arwen 37]] Grenade launcher of unknown type was show it looked similar to the one in picture. The ARWEN 37 is a less-lethal launcher which fires 37 mm less-lethal rounds (foam or wooden or tear gas payload) designed for riot control. It has a 5-round rotary drum magazine. "ARWEN" is an acronym for "Anti Riot Weapon ENfield".

The real version was designed in 1977 by the British Royal Small Arms Factory (RSAF) Enfield, then part of the Royal Ordnance Factories. It came out of a British Military request for a multi-shot riot control weapon. Three prototypes were designed and tested: a semi-automatic weapon, a rotary-drum weapon, and a pump-action weapon. At the end of testing the rotary-drum model was put into production.

As of 2001, all ARWEN trademarks and patents are owned by Police Ordnance Company Inc. The weapon is manufactured under license in Canada.

Originally this weapon in real life is supposed to be a less than lethal launcher that would fire tear gas among other types of less than lethal ammo, but in the series it fired actual grenades, creating large explosions.

[[Image:Arwen 37.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Arwen 371.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BLArwen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda very please to find the Arwen]]

[[Image:BLMGLEDA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|God's universal signal for “Run the Hell away, and do it Fast”]]
[[Image:BLArwen2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dutch with an Arwen]]

== China Lake Launcher ==

In the first OVA, Fabiola takes out a [[China Lake Launcher]] from her back. Hers has a folding stock. It's noted that she fires each grenade without pumping it as the real world launcher is a pump action.

[[Image:US M79 pump-action four-shot 40x46mm grenade launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ultimate M79 Grenade launcher 40mm]]

[[Image:BlCLL.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:BlCLL2.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:BlCLL3.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]

= Special Weapons =

== RPG ==

Seen in use quite a few times in the series, but was first seen used by Revy at the end of episode one when she fired a "warning shot" at a larger carrier ship to make them stop so they can rob them. In Episode 11 when given a new job by Chang, one of the attackers fired an RPG into Lagoon's apartment, making Revy shot RPG in slow motion.

[[Image:RevyRPG7.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Revy readies to show she means business, as Rock tries to warn the soon to be victims.]]
[[Image:Revyrpg2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Revyrpg3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|R...P...G!!!!!!]]

== M2 Flamethrower ==

Seen in the used of a man who calls himself the "Torchweaver" for obvious reasons making comments that all have to deal with fire like grilling, cook outs, and BBQ. Apparently Torch has a simple looking lighter that actually spits out an amazing wall of flame and then pulls his actual flame thrower seeming out of no where.

[[Image:Flamer1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I did start the fire, and it's always burning.]]
[[Image:Flamethrowerman2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drew Carey’s audience are compelled, now more than ever, to laugh.]]

== BGM-71 TOW ==

[[BGM-71 TOW]] missile launchers are used by the Neo-Nazis on their ship they took to the South Pacific seas for their mission. The ship alone was just a research type freighter, so they wouldn't naturally have weapons against other ships. To the dismay and surprise of the Lagoon crew, the Neo-Nazis fired several missiles against them, which narrowly survived the attack by running out of missile range.

[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm]]
[[Image:BLTOW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== RGD-5 hand grenades==

RGD-5 hand grenades is used by a Russian from “Moscow hotel” ，to kill some Japanese Mafia members.

[[Image:Rdg5.jpg]]

Russian soldier throws two RGD-5 into the room

[[Image:Rgd.jpg]]

[[Category:Anime]]

Talk:Tremors 3: Back to Perfection

2010-08-03T01:07:53Z

GaBoy45:

== Trivia ==

During the opening scene in Argentina, Burt drives a truck with a M45 quadmount:

[[Image:Tremorstruck.PNG|thumb|none|500px|]]

In this scene there are some mistakes. The sign in the door doesn´t exist in real life. First, the sign says "Ejército de Argentina" (Army of Argentina), when it should be "Ejército Argentino" (Argentine Army). Second, all vehicles in service just have a painted sign that says "EA****" ("Ejercito Argentino" plus the serial number of the vehicle):

[[Image:Hummerar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:Uniar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[User:Markost|Markost]] 17:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Criticism ==

Am I the only one who thinks Burt chose a really poor assortment of weapons to bring along for dealing with the Shriekers in the canyon? Come on, a double barreled shotgun? A bolt action rifle? After what he went through in the second movie one would think he'd have his truck filled with stuff like AR-15s, AK-47s and various other types of semi-auto rifles and shotguns.

Well he has a diverse collection capable of dealing with both Graboids and Shriekers. Granted he probably didn't count on having to arm the townsfolk either. The Desert Eagle was at least a hint that he learned something from the second movie. Seeing as how he had 9mm's and ran out of ammo before he ran out of Shriekers. But I agree that the AR's, AK's and semi-auto shotguns would have been better. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 01:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Black Lagoon

2010-08-02T19:51:09Z

GaBoy45:

Black Lagoon

2010-08-02T00:08:46Z

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The following firearms were seen used in the Anime Black Lagoon

[[Image:BLmaincast.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The main cast from the left to right, Dutch, Revy, Rock, and Benny. Rare image where Rock ever wields a gun like he knows how to use it wearing most likely a standard shoulder holster unlike Revy who has a double for her other gun.]]

Like many anime, Black Lagoon is a manga, currently still running. The anime consists of two 12 episode television series and a five part OVA which is currently airing.

The story takes places in the 1990s and follows Okajima Rokuro, an ordinary Japanese businessman who's happened to have mixed himself up with a band of mercenaries in the South China sea. Unable to return home, "Rock" joined this "company" in their many variety of missions, which may involve violent firefights, hand-to-hand combat, or nautical battles in various Southeast Asian locations, and when not doing much, the members of the Lagoon Company spend much of their down time at The Yellow Flag, a bar in the fictional city of Roanapur, Thailand.

= Handguns =

== Custom Beretta 92F Inox aka "Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special" ==

The weapons of choice for the main female character, Revy are twin modified [[Beretta 92F Inox]] model pistols, which are stainless steel and have a 5.9 inch barrel and slide configuration, 1 inch longer than any standard Beretta 92 model. They are engraved with "9mm Sword Cutlass", the Jolly Roger of the famous pirate Calico Jack (which is also inlaid into the ivory grips), and an inscription in Thai. Revy calls it the "Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special". Due to Revy's ambidextrous marksmanship skills, she is nicknamed "Two Hands" by the people of Roanapur. Revy always wears her Cutlass pistols from double cross-draw shoulder holsters and almost always draws them simultaneously to lay down an incredible rate of suppressing fire.

[[Image:SwordCutlass9mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Replica of Revy's [[Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] "9mm Sword Cutlass".]]
[[Image:SwordCutlass9mm2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy fires her [[Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] in the opening credits.]]
[[Image:2hands.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Oh, ''that's'' why they call her ''"Two Hands"''OHGODI'VEBEENSHOT!!!!!]]
[[Image:Revy&Eda.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy and Eda fire their guns at "freaks".]]
[[Image:Revy&Eda2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the South Pacific, car horns are replaced with easily pissed off babes armed to the teeth.]]
[[Image:Swordcutlass9mmsight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I don't think this is what the "play" in "playground" means.]]

[[Image:Blo192f1.JPG|thumb|none|500px| OVA OP ]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 629 ==

This [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is Dutch's sidearm throughout the series and he is so proficient with it that he can fire it from his hip and hit several targets dead on.

[[Image:S&WModel629.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] with Hogue Grips - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Revyanddutch.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy and Dutch hold Rock hostage. They're aiming like gangstahz.]]
[[Image:SW629Dutch'sgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dutch fires his [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] at a "robot from the future".]]
[[Image:SW629Dutch'sgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I know what you're thinking, is he gonna make a Dirty Harry reference, or isn't he? Well, to tell you the truth in all it's years of circulation I've kinda lost my liking for the film. I mean it's gotten cheezy, so I decided to make my own little parody of the famous quote, and with that being said, you have to ask yourself one question; "Do I think this is funny?" Well do ya, lil' punk?]]

== Glock 17 ==

[[Glock 17]]s were shown as the most prominent handgun for the Colombian Mafia during the bar scene in the first episode of the OVA. It is somewhat anachronistic since the Glocks shown were 3rd Generation because they all have the accessory rail, which didn't come out until the late 90s. It is confirmed that the series takes place in 1995 so it is unlikely that the Colombian Mafia would have gotten a hold of any Glocks pass 2nd Generation.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Blo1g17.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:Blo1g17a.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Note the rails these Glocks have and the 3rd gun down is a CZ-75]]

== Glock 17L ==

A [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] is used by Sister Eda, who is part of a group called "The Church of Violence", an arms dealing racket.

[[Image:G17l.jpg|thumb|none|400px| [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] (Gen 2 Pistol) - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:G17LEda'sGlock17L.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Couldn't ask for a better shot. Beautiful.]]

[[Image:G17LEda1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda's first appearance]]

[[Image:G17LEda2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda and Revy cover the door. Eda comments on how Rock saving the girl is "manly". Rock and Eda sitting in a tree...]]
[[Image:G17LEda4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy's [[Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to the left, Eda's [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] to the right. This is one of the few instances where they let their compatriotship for eachother shine, as 99 percent of the time they are fighting over Rock or which one is the better shot.]]
[[Image:G17LEda3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda aims her [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] at one of the "freaks" from the "Greenback Jane" story arc who informs Eda (and the audience) that he knows she is working for the CIA. Of course,that is classified information, and she's got a gun to his head, so she thinks that a little extension of discretion is in order. In other words, ''*BANG!*'']]

== Modified Luger P08 Artillery model ==

This seemed to be based off the [[Luger P08|Luger P08 Artillery Model Pistol]] and was seen used by one of the Aryan soldiers, but was never fired. It was seen cocked twice for some odd reason since the character already cocked it once in a previous scene. The unique Luger seen was apparently a custom built firearm with a gold finish, an artillery length barrel and chambered for .454 Casull rounds. The Soldier referred to the gun as "the Eiserne Reich Luger Special". He also mentions features for the gun such as a "two bullet chamber" (a bad translation for "double-stack magazine"), which don't entirely make sense, but the endless ranting matches the profile of a supremacist who does nothing but talk of the greatness of what he holds, both in his hand and heart, his dark, misguided heart.

[[Image:LugerP08Artillery.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 Artillery Model Pistol 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BLLugerp17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Someone understands the luger's toggle system..... sort of. Hey it's drawings, what are you gonna do?]]
[[Image:BLLugerp17a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|.............is stupid.]]

== Desert Eagle ==

The leader of the mercenaries in the first episode, held a Desert Eagle. An engraved, gold plated Mark I [[Desert Eagle]] is used by the "mother superior" of the Church of Violence, the one eyed, old Yolanda. Despite being huge, heavy and powerful, the old lady handles it like it was nothing.

[[Image:DesertEagle357Black.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:DesertEagleGolden.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Golden Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .50 AE.]]
[[Image:BLDE1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:Yolanda'sspecialDeagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The only time Yolanda draws this special Desert Eagle in all it's heavenly glory. "Holy Mary, mother of God."]]
[[Image:BLDEa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side view of Yolanda's Golden [[Desert Eagle]].]]

== Mauser C96 Type 712 ==

One character, Rotton the Wizard carries dual [[Mauser C96|Mauser M712 "Schnellfeuer"]] pistols. He never uses them, as he feels his speech talents are more destructive, but this proves to be... ineffective.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer]]
[[Image:Mc96speciala.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rotton "the Wizard" flashes his [[Mauser C96|Mauser M712 "Schnellfeuer"]] to show that he is in fact armed.]]
[[Image:Mc96special.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rotton’s short lived Soliloquoy...]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==

[[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]]s were seen used by numerous characters, but primarily with the Russian Mafia, Hotel Moscow, and it is their standard sidearm. It is also seen used by the guerrilla Ibraha.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm]]
[[Image:BLTT33c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of a [[Tokarev TT-33]] carried by a thug at the Yellow Flag.]]
[[Image:BLTT33a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ibraha attempts to intimidate Rock into talking with his [[Tokarev TT-33]].]]
[[Image:BLTT33b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Surprisingly Rock isn't shitting his pants now that there's a gun rubbing against his head. Obviously this pansy is nowhere near as scary as Revy.]]
[[Image:Rockthreatened.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ooo, tough crowd.]]
[[Image:BLTT33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Balalaika's men attempted to reach for his TT-33 after being slashed by an axe]]

== Stechkin APS ==

The [[Stechkin APS]] is Balalaika's sidearm throughout the series, and is also used by Yukio Washimine on full auto.

[[Image:Pistol Russian Stechkin 9x18mm Makarov machine pistol 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stechkin APS 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowPMM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Balalaika aims her [[Stechkin APS]] at Rock.]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowPMM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Of course not, how many people have expressed anger by pointing guns at others? Wait, don't answer that.]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowPMM3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I guess she's still angry, er, ''not'' angry with him.]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Christmas morning at [[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]]'s house. Ha, if only. Yukio recieves her neatly packaged [[Stechkin APS]].]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Yukio examines the [[Stechkin APS]]. You can't get a clearer shot of it than this.]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|No, she just doesn't want to be the only gal in the episode without a badass gun.]]
[[Image:WashmineAPS1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|When people think about ''"kids running around with guns in the streets"'', no one envisions cute high school girls like Yukio. They should.]]

== Makarov PM ==

During a split second flashback in the OVA, we see Roberta clutching a [[Makarov PM]].

[[Image:Makarov pm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Makarov PM in Stainless (Baikal Imported Model IJ-70 Pistol) - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Blo1pm1.JPG|thumb|none|600px| ]]

== 1911==

Multiple variants of the [[1911]] has been seen several times in the series either up close by central characters or in the foreground by random thugs. Most appear blued and not Parkerized, and feature the full bar safety.

[[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:BL1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug brandishes his [[M1911A1]].]]
[[Image:BL1911a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same thug aims his [[M1911A1]] at the Church of Violence. Wrong motherfuckin' church, pal.]]
[[Image:BL1911b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:Blo11911.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A yet-to-be-named Lieutenant in the first OVA, prepares to draw his 1911. It appears to have pearl grips.]]

== AMT Hardballer Longslide ==

Chang dual wields two (somehow blued and not stainless steel) [[AMT Hardballer]] pistols with extended slide assemblies. You figure that since he is an allegory for [[Chow Yun-Fat]]'s various characters in John Woo Films, he'd have two [[Beretta 92FS]] Pistols, but then he'd be so close to the inspiration there might just be a lawsuit of some sort. Interesingly enough in the most recent chapters of the manga he even claims to be a former cop.

[[Image:Hardballer Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AMT Hardballer Longslide - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Chang'sballers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Hard Boiled]] reference. In fact, everything about Mr. Chang is a John Woo reference.]]
[[Image:Chang'sballers2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chang's assistant presents him with his [[AMT Hardballer]] Longslides.]]

== Beretta 76 ==

For some odd reason, Mr. Chang wields two [[Beretta 76]] .22 LR caliber handguns as he did with his 1911s when fighting off Gretel's assault on him.

[[Image:Beretta76.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 76 - .22 LR.]]
[[Image:Beretta762.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The dragon inlaid in the grip of Chang's [[Beretta 76]].]]
[[Image:Changwith76.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chang isn't ''"wielding akimbo"'', he's ''"John Wooing"'' those guns.]]
[[Image:Chang2with76.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nah, call a cab. Or rickshaw, whatever your fancy.]]
[[Image:Beretta764.jpg|thumb|none|500px|.22 Pistols? This guy will use anything ''but'' 92s! John Woo must have threatened them or something.]]

== Ruger Blackhawk ==

A [[Ruger Blackhawk]] was used by Chaka, who fancied himself as some kind of wild west gunman. It was later destroyed when Ginji sliced it up with his superhuman strength and sword. From the looks of it, Chaka's Ruger has a rear end sight. In this case it is not a Single Action Army; it is Ruger's base on an SAA.

[[Image:RugerBlackhawk44magnum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Blackhawk - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:wannabeDH.jpg|thumb|none|500px|He's trying so hard to be Dirty Harry, he doesn't deserved to be humored with a funny parodied quote.]]
[[Image:ChakaCSAA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Demented half smiling faces? Cute abducted schoolgirls? Yep, this is definitely Japan.]]
[[Image:ChopSAA2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I don't think this is how you disassemble the gun for cleaning.]]
[[Image:ChopSAA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nope, definitely not.]]

== Sistema Colt Modelo 1927 ==

Two of these are used solely by Roberta, a former FARC guerrilla trained as an assassin, who cleverly disguises herself as a maid do escape her old life of warfare and death. It makes sense for Roberta to carry [[M1911A1|Sistemas]] since she comes from South America.

[[Image:Sistema1927.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sistema Colt Model 1927 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Roberta1927s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maid to kill.]]
[[Image:Roberta1927s1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta draws her [[M1911A1|Sistemas]] atop Benny's car like "a killer robot from the future".]]
[[Image:Roberta1927s2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta's right [[M1911A1|Sistema]] is destroyed, courtesy of one of Revy's bullets.]]

== Accu-Tek HC-380 ==

This was used in the last episode once by Balalaika when she asked her Yakuza equivalent in Japan to oblige her with his guard's weapons. The second gun, an [[Accu-Tek HC-380]] causes her to lose it as she calls it an "atrocious" gun. On closer inspection it looked like the artist drew "Picatinny Rails" along the top of the slide (which are actually anti-glare serrations). She kills the Yakuza boss and his guard with it, and tosses it to Rock as a gift, claiming it was a good weapon after all. Rock, the ever passive businessman, declines the gun, and thanks Balalaika for her deed.

[[Image:445 HC-380.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accu-Tek HC-380 Pistol - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:22LRFryface.jpg|thumb|none|500px|What's Japanese for "This gun sucks"? (この銃は悪い）]]
[[Image:22LRFryface2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BL22accutec.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Here you can clearly see the Accu-Tek logo.]]
[[Image:22Rock.jpg|thumb|none|500px| "I don't like squirrel guns"]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 439 ==

Revy started her life of crime at a young age. The series alludes to her being responsible for a murder in her past, and she also explicitly stated that she killed people as a kid. In one of her flashbacks she is seen using a [[Smith & Wesson Model 439]] to shoot cans.

[[Image:SWM439.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith and Wesson Model 439.]]
[[Image:RevyS&W.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Break yo' self, can!]]
[[Image:LilRevy'sgun.jpg|thumb|500px||none|Everywhere I go, all I ever seem to hear is...]]

== Walther P38 ==

A [[Walther P38]] was used by the SS officer in a flashback and found in the corresponding sunken submarine.

[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War Two dated - 9mm]]
[[Image:BLP38.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Now you can take it.]]

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==

One of the Russians in the final story arc has a [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in hand.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BLP220.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Russian aims his [[SIG-Sauer P226]]. Why he has this and not a Russian gun is not known.]]

==MP-446 "Viking"==

One of Hotel Moscow's soldiers uses a suppressed [[MP-446 "Viking"]] while hiding under a van with slashed tires.

[[Image:MP-446Viking.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-446 "Viking" - 9mm.]]
[[Image:BLHotelMoscowgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of Hotel Moscow aims his [[MP-446 "Viking"]].]]

== Ruger P90 ==

The leader of the Colombian cartel carries and fires a [[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger P90|Ruger P90]] at Roberta in the "Maid to Kill" story arc. Much later in the series, Balalaika requests to see the Japanese Bodyguard's weapons in the final negotiation. He hands her his [[Ruger P90]], with a grey finish and wood grips, similar to the ".45 Ruger" seen in an episode of ''[[Law & Order: Criminal Intent#Ruger P90|Law & Order: Criminal Intent]]''.

[[Image:P90blued.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger P90 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BRgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cartel leader fires his [[Ruger P90]].]]
[[Image:BRgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"DIE, YOU CRAZY BITCH!" The cartel leader aims his Ruger P90]]
[[Image:RugerP.png|thumb|none|500px|Balalaika inspects the bodyguard's Ruger P90. ]]

== Browning Hi-Power ==

The [[Browning Hi-Power]] was seen briefly in the hands of a thug working for the Colombian Cartel. In the OVA, another member of the Cartel holds one at Fabiola, before getting shot with her MAG-7s.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Classic Commercial Browning Hi Power (Belgian Mfg) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BLbrowning.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The cartel members fire their guns at Roberta, one of which is a [[Browning Hi-Power]] (circled in red). The one with the slide back appears to be a CZ-75]]
[[Image:BLCZ75b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== CZ 75 ==

A "Pre-B" [[CZ 75]] was seen in the hands of Takenaka in the first season finale. One of the Colombians is also seen shooting one at Roberta above in the background and one held one at her before being shot with her shotgun umbrella.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BLgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Where's the damn cigarette lighter... hey, a gun. SWEET!]]
[[Image:BLCZ75.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Takenaka shoots at Revy, aiming sideways. Gangstah!]]
[[Image:BLCZ75a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Takenaka looks at his fallen ally, gun smoking.]]

== Single Action Army ==

One of the thugs at the Yellow Flag carries a Nickel plated [[Single Action Army]].

[[Image:ColtSAA475barrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 4.75" barrel, case colored and blued, referred to as "Quick-Draw" or "Civilian" model. ]]
[[Image:BLRev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The one on the left has a [[Single Action Army]] in his holster.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19/66 ==

Other thugs in the Yellow Flag are seen with [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] and [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] revolvers. They are also seen used by "Groovy Guy" Russel in pursuit of Jane during the "Greenback Jane" arc.

[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-Model-66.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 with 4" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BLRev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The one on the right has a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] in his holster.]]
[[Image:BLRev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug at the Yellow Flag brandishes his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]].]]
[[Image:BLCowboy.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russel looks for Jane aboard the Black Lagoon with his [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].]]
[[Image:BLCowboy2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russel fires his Smith & Wesson 19 aboard the Black Lagoon at Eda.]]
[[Image:BLCowboy3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close up of Russell's revolver on the floor.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 ==

The [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is used by Elroy to kill Gretel, under orders of Hotel Moscow.

[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 36, Nickel plated - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:BLreva.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Elroy, hired by Hotel Moscow, aims his [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] at Gretel.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 10 ==

The Roanapur Police carry [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolvers as their sidearms.

[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]
[[Image:BLRPDrevs.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crap, it's the fuzz!]]

= Shotguns =

== Remington 870 Marine Magnum ==

Dutch uses a [[Remington 870|Remington 870 Marine Magnum]] when he and Revy assault a ship full of Aryan Socialist Union members in an attempt to retrieve a painting for a client. He wields this gun with tactical ease, reloading only after firing all seven rounds.

[[Image:Remington870MarineMagnum.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Marine Magnum 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Dutch'sshotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Makes the Marlboro Man look like a pansy, well, like ''more'' of a pansy.]]
[[Image:Dutchshotgunaction.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I'M ON A BOAT MOTHERFUCKER DON'T YOU EVER FORGET!]]
[[Image:Dutch'sshotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Revy is laughing because she, too, is on a boat.]]
[[Image:Dutch'sshotgu3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Races working together in harmony. To shoot Aryans. 'Tis a glorious day.]]

== Remington 1100 ==

Bao, the owner of the Yellow Flag owns a [[Remington 1100]] Tactical model, which he uses to defend himself with every time his bar is shot up, which occurs regularly.

[[Image:Remington1100Tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 1100 Tactical - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BLRem1100.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bao takes cover behind his bulletproof Bar with his [[Remington 1100]].]]
[[Image:BLRem1100a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bao watches Revy crawl away from the mayhem from behind his bulletproof bar.]]

== Franchi SPAS-12 ==

Roberta has a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] disguised as a parasol.

[[Image:SPAS12.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 - 12 Gauge]]

[[Image:SPAS12hidden.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta fires the parasol [[Franchi SPAS-12]] in the manga. There aren't any good shots of it in the anime, so this will have to do.]]

[[Image:SPAS12hidden2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roberta fires the parasol [[Franchi SPAS-12]].]]

== Double Barrel Shotgun ==

Seen in the hands of Japanese gang members.

[[Image:BLDBshotty.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Winchester Model 1897 ==

A thug during the Greenback Jane arc was carrying a [[Winchester Model 1897|Winchester 1897]] to breach a door.

[[Image:1897.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

[[Image:BLshotgunU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLshotgunUNK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BLshotgunUNK2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Techno Arms MAG-7 ==

Fabiola Iglesias uses 2 South African made[[MAG-7|Techno Arms MAG-7]] shotguns in the OVA. For some reason, Fabiola's MAG-7s fire in semi-auto instead of pump action as that is how the real shotgun works and she's using buckshots. The scene where Fabiola takes out her MAG-7s, has a very [[Desperado]] feel to it, because it involves the Colombians dealing with someone deceivingly dangerous in a bar and the MAG-7s comes out of her sleeves.

[[Image:Mag7.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Techno Arms MAG-7 12 gauge x 60mm]]
[[Image:BlMAG7.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BlMAG7a.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BlMAG7b.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

= Sub-Machine Guns =

== Uzi ==

The [[Uzi]] is one of the many type of common weapons used by thugs, mercenaries, mobsters, and gangs. In one episode it was prominently shown in the hands of security detail for one of the major mafia groups in Roanapur.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi 9mm]]
[[Image:BLuzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==

One of the Neo-Nazi's uses an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] to fire on Revy & Rock when they surface after escaping from the German submarine.

[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 with "tropical" (wide) forearm - 9mm with stock extended]]
[[Image:BLMP5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M3A1 "Grease Gun" ==

The [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] was seen in the last arc of the the series, where a drive by with Yakuza had used theses to attack a Russian restaurant. It is even possible these guns are old war relics left by American occupied troops after World War II.

[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Y19911A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Pistolet Maszynowy wz.63 AKA PM-63 Submachine gun ==

She only used this in the 3rd episode. The Submachine gun she uses is a PM-63 SMG. It's a Polish made weapon that fires 9x18 Makarov PM.

[[Image:PM63.JPG|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:unknownSMG1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

== MAC-10 ==

The [[MAC-10]] is another common weapon used by any random thug or mercenary or even the mafia groups.

[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 open bolt Submachine gun - .45acp]]‎
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= Assault Rifles =

== Heckler & Koch G3 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3]] was first seen in the first episode when Revy tossed one to Rock to use to defend himself. He didn't know anything about guns and refused. After a heated battled with a Hind helicopter, in a fit of rage, he threw the rifle in the air and into the ocean, pissing off Revy because it must have cost her plenty. G3 rifles have been seen in the hands of Triad boss, Chang's, security detail in a few episodes though they sometimes go back to AKs.

[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Rock'sG3.jpg|thumb|none|504px|Rock freaking out when given the G3.]]
[[Image:BLtriadG3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== AK-47 ==

These are the weapons, obviously the [[AK-47]], used by almost every faction in the entire anime. Symbolism to the obvious prolific nature of the infamous Assault Rifle. It has been used by all the factions. Balalaika's men during their services as part of the Russian special forces also used AK47s.

[[Image:Ak_54.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Knock Knock. Who's there? A raid.]]

[[Image:HMSVD2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another look from the back with Balalaika and her men. She had tried for the Olympics in sharpshooting.]]
[[Image:BLAK47rock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Not one of Rock's better days]]

[[Image:BLtriadAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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:''Though there are AK-47's seen all over the anime, I also think there's Norinco Type 56's thrown into the mix as well. This is determined by the hooded front sight seen on the majority of the assault rifles. That would also make sense since Black Lagoon takes place in Thailand (though the town itself is fictional), it would more likely be that there's more Type 56's than AK-47s, except for in the hands of the Russian Mafia members. -DJ T-Tom''

== AK-74 ==

Since all of Balalaika's men were Ex-Russian Paratroopers or elements of Special Forces, they would use [[AK-74]]s.

[[Image:AK-74 NTW 12 92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:BLtriadAK47sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An AK-7N with a NSPU night scope]]

[[Image:HotelMoscowAK746abc.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Give them punishment through our Kalashnikovs and rip their jaws open with 5.45mm rounds!"]]

[[Image:HotelMoscowAK7462.jpg|thumb|none|500px|For Mother Russia!]]

== AK-74U ==

Balalaika's ex-Russian Special Forces all used [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]]s during their operations in Japan. These were also seen in the hands of the mercs hired to get the data disk from Rock in the first episode.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK742.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowAK746.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Say hello to my little friend "Mr. AK-74 U are so fucked".]][[Image:HotelMoscowAK472.jpg|thumb|none|500px|How Russian Special Forces do hustling.]]

== APS Underwater Assault Rifle ==

An [[APS Underwater Assault Rifle]] was used once as one of those exotic 15 minutes of fame kind of guns that makes a "guest" appearence in an episode. This rifle was given to Revy from Dutch at the end of one episode for an underwater mission to retrieve a precious painting from a sunken Nazi submarine that ended up in the South Pacific. Revy fired the weapon inside the sub against the Neo-Nazis that also were after this prize. Since the weapon was designed to function both above and under water, the weapon was still able to function properly in the air-filled submarine. She later fired the gun underwater at two divers on the surface next to the pod, which is what the APS Underwater was designed for.

[[Image:APSunderwater.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BLAPS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M16A1 ==

In several scenes, we see random mercenaries in the background using [[M16A1]]s. On closer look, all of them are the kinds that were first seen in action during the Vietnam conflict. It makes sense since they are most likely mercenary groups in the South Pacific. After any major war, there is always surplus in arms supplies. During the flashback in the first OVA episode, US troops are seen using the M16A1, as noted with the forward assist on them.

[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BLM16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man in the center.]]
[[Image:BLM162.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2 in this picture.]]
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= Rifles =

== Dragunov SVD ==

The [[SVD Dragunov]] is the sniper rifle for the Russians as Balalaika used it with expert ease when she participated in the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm R]]
[[Image:HMSVD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Only a partial look at Balalaika in her younger days in Afgan with an SVD.]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowSCD21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aim....]]

== Remington 700 Sniper Rifle ==

Have yet to get a picture of this weapon Revy uses once in episode 11. I know it's a Remington because she says in on screen and also mentions a type of ammo called Hydra API(Armor Piercing Incendiary). Whatever it is, it has a wooden frame, a very basic look to it. Nothing special almost like a hunting rifle. Attached was a scope, maybe a 10x. The Anime has her fire two shots from the gun while in scoped view, without any bolt action sounds, but there is spacing between the shots, so the sound reception for the viewer could just be at a distance.

[[Image:Revy'srifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Gepard Anti Materiel Rifle ==

In the first episode, Revy busted out this rifle only once. She referred to it as her anti-tank rifle, but never said what it was. It's either a Gepard M2 or M3 varient. As the size of the weapon changes with the shot I can't tell wich exact model it is. In the first picture it looks like a 14.5mm M6 model. Though oddly being an anti-tank rifle, the shots did no damage to a Hind that was attacking them in the first 2 episodes.

[[Image:GepardM3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gepard M3, 14.5x114mm]]
[[Image:Revy'sBFG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Revy'sBFG2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A German soldier was seen wielding and shooting a [[Karabiner 98k]] in the flashback on the sub. Though I'm pretty sure any small arms fire inside a sub would be both loud and dangerous, but it wouldn't have mattered since the sub in the flashback was stuck.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:BL98k.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== VSS Vintorez ==

One of the Hotel Moscow soldiers was using a [[VSS Vintorez]] on Yakuza.

[[Image:vss1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
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== Flintlock Rifle ==
Roberta is seen wielding some kind of Flintlock Rifle in OVA. It belongs to the Lovelace family for generations and Roberta takes it down and does drills with it expertly.

[[Image:Blo1bpr1.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Roberta with the rifle in the opening credits, hinting that she'll be actually using it later on.]]
[[Image:Blo1flintlockriflewall.JPG|600px|thumb|none|The rifle on the wall next to other old firearms of the Lovelace family]]
[[Image:Blo1flintlockrifle.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
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= Machine Guns =

== DShK ==

[[DShK heavy machine gun]]s a soviet made Heavy Machine gun caliber 12.7x108mm.Seen on the back of a truck fired by Hotel Moscow troops at Hensel and Gretel.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7mm on Tripod]]
[[Image:HotelMoscowMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M60 ==

The [[M60]] was seen only in one episode introducing the character, Rico an "Apprentice Priest" with the Church of Violence. He provided support fire while his "sisters" unloaded to intruders trespassing on their "sacred grounds".

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60Rico13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:M60Rico.jpg|thumb|none|704px|They should rename the group from Church of Violence to Outpost overkill ]]

== MG42 ==

This [[MG42]] was shown twice on the Neo-Nazi ship, fired once when Revy tried to surface. One of the leaders of the Nazis, panic when seeing Revy rampaging on the ship. When he tried to fit the belt of bullets, Revy was already behind him. The weapon was dropped when the man tried to grab a grenade, but Revy killed him.
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Light Machine Gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:BLMG3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|What a inglourious basterd]]
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== Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A3 ==

The [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] was one of the specialty weapons used in the series to show a more personal aspect in how an assassin and her choice of gun is. This awesome weapon of the past is used by Gretel, the girl twin of a very disturbing pair of assassins. Because it's an anime, the artists several times, drew the BAR to be extremely bigger than the user to show how freakishly strong she is. Apparently she uses the M1918A3 model introduced in 1940.

And Gretal usually hides it in a cute blanket with a small teddy bear attached to the end of a string holding the whole thing together. In the first instance Gretel busted her weapon out, there was a small doll handing at the end of the sling. BAR she uses has a more dark grey finish to it.

[[Image:BAR1918.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It's time to play.]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gretel taking aim.]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Up close of Gretel cocking her rifle]]
[[Image:HanselandGretelBAR5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|How can you be terrified of her when she's SOOO cute!]]

== Handheld M134 Minigun ==

An extra part of a large group of mercenaries hired to get Jane held an [[M134 Minigun]] like he was in Teminator 2 hence the "Chainsaw Grip"(The [[Predator]] model had an M60 machine gun handguard instead) , shredding through a door, but in the end was defeated by the fact that it takes a split second for the barrel to spin up and fire.

[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

[[Image:painless2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|John Connor?]]

[[Image:painless.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Ole painless.]]

== Browning M2HB ==

During OVA 1, when calling for backup, one of the SUVs belonging to the Colombian Mafia had a [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] mounted on top of it.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]]

[[Image:BLBM2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
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= Grenade Launchers =

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

An [[M79 grenade launcher]] was used a few times, mostly in the first couple episodes where Revy single handedly destroyed at least 6 pirate ships with her perfect aim.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:RevyGL2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Revy taking aim and about to fire.]]
[[Image:RevyGL1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Revy Blowing the barrel of her M79 after satisfyingly shooting it.]]

== Arwen 37 ==

Twice in the series, an [[Arwen 37]] Grenade launcher of unknown type was show it looked similar to the one in picture. The ARWEN 37 is a less-lethal launcher which fires 37 mm less-lethal rounds (foam or wooden or tear gas payload) designed for riot control. It has a 5-round rotary drum magazine. "ARWEN" is an acronym for "Anti Riot Weapon ENfield".

The real version was designed in 1977 by the British Royal Small Arms Factory (RSAF) Enfield, then part of the Royal Ordnance Factories. It came out of a British Military request for a multi-shot riot control weapon. Three prototypes were designed and tested: a semi-automatic weapon, a rotary-drum weapon, and a pump-action weapon. At the end of testing the rotary-drum model was put into production.

As of 2001, all ARWEN trademarks and patents are owned by Police Ordnance Company Inc. The weapon is manufactured under license in Canada.

Originally this weapon in real life is supposed to be a less than lethal launcher that would fire tear gas among other types of less than lethal ammo, but in the series it fired actual grenades, creating large explosions.

[[Image:Arwen 37.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Arwen 371.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BLArwen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eda very please to find the Arwen]]

[[Image:BLMGLEDA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|God's universal signal for “Run the Hell away, and do it Fast”]]
[[Image:BLArwen2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dutch with an Arwen]]

== China Lake Launcher ==

In the first OVA, Fabiola takes out a [[China Lake Launcher]] from her back. Hers has a folding stock. It's noted that she fires each grenade without pumping it as the real world launcher is a pump action.

[[Image:US M79 pump-action four-shot 40x46mm grenade launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ultimate M79 Grenade launcher 40mm]]

[[Image:BlCLL.JPG|600px|thumb|none|]]
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= Special Weapons =

== RPG ==

Seen in use quite a few times in the series, but was first seen used by Revy at the end of episode one when she fired a "warning shot" at a larger carrier ship to make them stop so they can rob them. In Episode 11 when given a new job by Chang, one of the attackers fired an RPG into Lagoon's apartment, making Revy shot RPG in slow motion.

[[Image:RevyRPG7.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Revy readies to show she means business, as Rock tries to warn the soon to be victims.]]
[[Image:Revyrpg2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Revyrpg3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|R...P...G!!!!!!]]

== M2 Flamethrower ==

Seen in the used of a man who calls himself the "Torchweaver" for obvious reasons making comments that all have to deal with fire like grilling, cook outs, and BBQ. Apparently Torch has a simple looking lighter that actually spits out an amazing wall of flame and then pulls his actual flame thrower seeming out of no where.

[[Image:Flamer1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I did start the fire, and it's always burning.]]
[[Image:Flamethrowerman2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drew Carey’s audience are compelled, now more than ever, to laugh.]]

== BGM-71 TOW ==

[[BGM-71 TOW]] missile launchers are used by the Neo-Nazis on their ship they took to the South Pacific seas for their mission. The ship alone was just a research type freighter, so they wouldn't naturally have weapons against other ships. To the dismay and surprise of the Lagoon crew, the Neo-Nazis fired several missiles against them, which narrowly survived the attack by running out of missile range.

[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm]]
[[Image:BLTOW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== RGD-5 hand grenades==

RGD-5 hand grenades is used by a Russian from “Moscow hotel” ，to kill some Japanese Mafia members.

[[Image:Rdg5.jpg]]

Russian soldier throws two RGD-5 into the room

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[[Category:Anime]]

Talk:Black Lagoon

2010-08-01T20:19:56Z

GaBoy45:

Talk:Terminator 2: Judgment Day

2010-07-26T03:16:43Z

GaBoy45:

=Fun Facts=
Some bits of irrelevant trivia and goofs.

==Obvious Stunt Doubles==
Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. This was back before editors could digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital DVD, these doubles become quite noticeable.
[[Image:T2JDTwoStuntDoublesInOneShot!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During this scene, both Arnold Schwarzenegger's driving stunt double, Norman Howell, and Edward Furlong's driving double are seen in the same shot! Also note how the dirtbike Furlong's double is driving is almost as big as the Harley. Since Furlong's stunt double is bigger than him, the Honda dirtbike was sized up to a bigger model so the double would look smaller.]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton's stunt double, Debbie Evans, is seen firing a CAR-15 at the T-1000 during this scene, since this shot had the vehicle really driving down the road (the close up shots with Linda Hamilton were in an immoble vehicle).]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Debbie Evans is used instead of Linda when the vehicle is suddenly halted and she is slid across the back.]]
[[Image:T2RobStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-800 fights the T-1000 in the mill, a stunt double is used for Robert Patrick when he is slammed into the walls.]]

==Goofs==
Some of the notable goofs in the film.
[[Image:T2KnifeBendGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When this biker stabs the Terminator with his knife, it is clearly a rubber prop. Note how it bends.]]
[[Image:T2SteamJetsGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the cigar smoking biker is thrown by the Terminator onto the kitchen burners, the steam jets are visible.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the Terminator prepares to jump his Harley Fatboy off the ledge, note how it is pointed.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he jumps off, the ledge changes to a squared type. Many people claim you can see the wires guiding the bike down but all you can see is the slightly visible edit over the cables, so transparent lines are visible as the bike falls.]]
[[Image:T2cardummygoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As The Terminator and the Connors pull out of the Mental Hospital, the T-1000 grabs onto their car. Here a dummy is used in place of a stunt man as they drive through the gate. James Cameron says he wished he had the CGI capabilities back then so he could make the T-1000 climb up the car as they drive.]]
[[Image:T2poleGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the Terminator is impaled by the steel rod, he is clearly laying to the side to avoid the pole.]]

==Payback==
In the extended cut, Douglas ([[Ken Gibbel]]) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconscious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.
[[Image:T2Payback-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Douglas slugs Sarah with his billy club.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah falls to her knees quite painfully. Doing this multiple times really bruised up Linda's knees.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah beats Douglas with a broom handle. Linda teaches Gibbel that chivalry isn't always a good thing as she really kicks his ass.]]

==How It's Done==
A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.
[[Image:T2CigarGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the biker puts his cigar out on the Terminator's chest, the only thing protecting Arnold from being burned was a block and prosthetic skin the size of a dime. If this guy was off even a little bit, he would have been burned pretty bad.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To give the effect that the Terminator's time portal burned a chunk out of a truck, scotch light is painted onto the rim and has light concentrated on it to give it a heated glow.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same method is used for the introduction of the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2RobFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To accomplish the scene in which the T-1000 slowly emerges from the fire, Robert Patrick had to stand in the center of the flames and walk out. After the scene, his clothes were singed.]]
[[Image:T2HelicopterCrane.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the chase scene, the police helicopter used by the T-1000 is hung by a moving crane to give it the look like it is flying. This allowed the actor to fire and reload his gun with two hands while the two spare hands could convince the audience the helicopter is being flown.]]
[[Image:T2AmputeeDouble.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An amputee double was used during the scene when the T-1000 emerges from the truck, continually being drenched in liquid nitrogen as his limbs fall of and he finally freezes solid.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|For the scene in which the shattered T-1000 melts and reforms, frozen Mercury was melted on a hotplate until it melted and joined together.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A piece of the frozen mercury melting.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The melted mercury begins to liquefy.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hotplate is pretty seamlessly added to look like the floor of the steel mill.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mercury eventually turns into one big pool.]]
[[Image:T2RubberWalls.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the fight between the T-800 and the T-1000, the steel mill walls were padded with rubber so the actors could slam each other into objects without injuring each other.]]

==Familiar Scenery==
The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, ''[[True Lies]]'', although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangley enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.
[[Image:T2JD-TrueLiesScenery.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comparison of the same location in the two films.]]

==Locked Up==
Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.
[[Image:T2lockpick-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks the locks on her bed harness. Linda really picked this lock.]]
[[Image:T2lockpick-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After escaping her bed, Sarah picks the lock on the door. Linda really picked this lock too.]]

==Attack of the Tin Foil Man!==
In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special "Tin Foil" suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the background, the "Tin Foil" man is seen forming from the puddle of liquid metal.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]

==Not Really Nude==
During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.
[[Image:T2NotNude-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks into the bar in the nude.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The people in the bar look in complete shock at this giant nude man.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can see the shorts Arnold was wearing in the scene. This is the governor of California shaking his ass for the camera. Feel free to laugh.]]

==Good Old Arnold==
Some memorable moments from the "Governator".
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to mimic a smile. Arnold commented how he smiles like a horse. Agreed.]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Trust Me."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Stay here. I'll be back."]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hasta la vista, baby."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"I need a vacation." Not a very Terminator-like thing to say; it was an ad-libbed shoutout to ''[[Kindergarten Cop]]''.]]

==The Convenience of Twins==
Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard ([[Don Stanton]]) and his brother ([[Dan Stanton]]) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were [[Linda Hamilton]] and her sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren, who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Connor.
[[Image:T2guardtwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Don playing Lewis the guard and his brother Dan playing the T-1000 copy.]]
[[Image:T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the extended cut, the T-800 tells the Connors how to modify his CPU so he can progressively learn. They open up his head to remove the CPU. During this scene, Linda is seen in the foreground working on a Stan Winston prop and in the "mirror" is Leslie imitating her movements so Arnold's face can be seen in the mirror as he talks.]]
[[Image:T2SarahTwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this scene, Linda (in the foreground) plays the T-1000 disguised as Sarah while twin sister Leslie plays the real Sarah (in the background) holding the shotgun.]]

==Speedy Robert==
For any scene in which [[Edward Furlong]] had to ride his Yamaha DT50 dirtbike, a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. Director James Cameron mentions in the DVD commentary that the the guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that [[Robert Patrick]] would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver underestimated him because when Robert started chasing him, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues John on his Yamaha dirtbike. In this take, the tow was sped up so Robert ''couldn't'' catch him.]]
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in hot pursuit.]]

==Polydichloric Euthynol==
The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the [[Sean Connery]] sci-fi film ''[[Outland]]''.
[[Image:T2PolydichloricEuthynol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The explosive barrels marked "Polydichloric Euthynol".]]

=="The Four Horsemen"==
This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.
[[Image:T2FourHorsemen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"The Four Horsemen", playground equipment set aflame by the nuclear bombs.]]

==The Deleted T-1000 Glitches==
For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-1000 passes a pole and his hand gets stuck. Unable to control its functions properly, it morphs somewhat to whatever metal it touches.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 peels his hand off the pole.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 has a blip glitch. This glitch is also in the theatrical cut shown just after the Terminator gets stuck in the giant cog.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000's feet stick to the metal floor.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes which Sarah is the T-1000 when he sees his feet are fused to the floor.]]

==The Spoof Pit==
The "Molten" Steel pit in the steel mill, called "The Spoof Pit" by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit. Isn't it interesting how when the T-1000 falls into the pit, he is in extreme pain, yet when the T-800 is lowered in, he seems to feel perfectly content? A matter of perspective I guess.
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 falls into the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Above view of the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 is lowered into the pit by Sarah.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake fire effect is used to make the liquid appear molten. Arnold does a good job of keeping his eyes open as he submerges.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 gives John a thumbs up before melting completely. John teaches the T-800 the thumbs up just before Sarah dreams of herself and John in the nuclear explosion.]]

=Dedicated To Stan Winston=
Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate Academy Awards. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 endoskeletons in ''[[T2|T2: Judgment Day]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-Rex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The life size Tyrannosaurus Rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonFacehugger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Facehuggers from ''[[Aliens]]'', which actually ran on their own.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPowerLoader.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Power Loader from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|And of course the ever famous Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPredator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thanks to Stan Winston, The Predator from ''[[Predator]]'' also became as famous and was saved from being a very poorly designed creature.]]
Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.

'''The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:'''
==Liquid Metal Squibs==
Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears these squibs through out the film.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears seven of these squibs. Note how this guy is a stunt double.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 riddled with liquid metal squibs.]]
[[Image:T2StanWInstonLiquidSquib-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stan even built smaller versions for when the T-1000 is shots with the Coltonics pistol.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton also wears one of these squibs when she is playing the T-1000.]]

==Blown Apart T-1000 head==
Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shotgunhead.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The animatronic T-1000's head built to show the T-1000 after being shot in the head with a shotgun.]]

==The T-800 Arm==
The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand. It was built by a contracted company in the midwest.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Stan Winston designed controllable T-800 arm.]]

==Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head==
When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lewis the Guard's robotic prop head being stabbed by the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same robotic head.]]

==T-800 Animatronic Dummy==
Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy in the Cyberdyne lobby.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy's awkward walk is evident in this scene.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 smashes the dummy's head.]]
The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.

==T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out==
The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonKnifeGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 stabs the truck driver. Note the slit in the shirt where the blade folds out.]]

==T-1000 Shotgun Head==
When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-5.jpg|thumb|none|800px|T-1000's head with the large slug hole in it. To the right is Robert Patrick getting to know his robotic double.]]

==Frozen T-1000==
Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When "shot", primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 frozen prop.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The prop shatters.]]

==Blown Up T-1000==
When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000blownup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blown up T-1000 animatronic.]]

= Discussion =
==Technically==
Even though [[Mail Call]] has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If [[Unit, The|The Unit]] has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

From the 7th down on the 1887: "You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger" A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.

== Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas. ==

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the same year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM
:Doing it now :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cut and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== 40mm grenade arming ranges... ==

There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a ''M552'' point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms ''in 2 to 3 meters.'' In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the ''M551'' fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.

Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...

- Doesn't change the fact that in this film, Arnold's M79 fires grenades that explode within only a few feet of him at most, still obviously (if only barely) below arming range of even the older types. (Mainly the ones inside the Cyberdyne building) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

::Two to three meters is 6 to 9 feet... That's conversational distance in the Midwest... --00:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)~

==How do you capture a Terminator?==
Seriously, how are supposed to do it? In T3 a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's trapped, how do you reprogram it? You get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck.
PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X terminators, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Also, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so important? He has a limited knowledge of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/SAS/Navy SEAL/insert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rockets and M60 behind in the armory? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopeful far enough away that he couldn't re-form. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10? [[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).

But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.

As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason.

And that's all you're getting from me for now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

According to some early literature, When the Resistance captured the time-displacement device form Skynet, they also found Terminators in storage. Using Experience from manipulating the T-800's chip in this film, they were able to do the same with the captured Terminators..

The third movie also explains a little more why John Connor is so important. He was supposed to have come to know the head of the department who created Skynet. So he would have known the most about Skynet at the time of Judgement Day. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 03:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
== Trigger Safety Comment ==

[[Image:T2JDWin1887-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's ([[Robert Patrick]]) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester "RA" (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver. You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger.]]
He's a Terminator and wouldn't make the mistake of 'Accidentally' firing the Weapon.
:Comment has been removed. I had already removed some unnecessary comments, but missed that one.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Excellent work! We need to excise those snarky comments when we see them. I am SO GLAD that I can now show IMFDB to actors or crew from some of the shows in question and NOT worry about them seeing some sort of comment which is insulting ... to Them! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Guards Name==

Just FYI, the pescadero Guard's name is Lewis. Just hoping someone could change that! [[User:GamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]] 18:44, 7 April 2010

== T2 Minigun "DROP" ==

That story about the T2 Minigun being dropped is obviously myth and lore. Look at the screencap of the Minigun being dropped. It is clearly a replica. On the actual prop there is a nub underneath the chainsaw grip from where they took off the carry-handle from the Predator version. It is completely absent in this screen cap. Furthermore if you look at the rear part of the Y-frame it has a protrusion on it that is not on the actual gun. There is a protrusion from where they removed the carry-handle on the real gun, but it looks different. I'm editing the page accordingly, because it is obviously not he same weapon. There is no wide shot of Arnold dropping the weapon, just the close up of them dropping the prop.

- I have to say that's quite interesting. I too noticed the dropped Minigun looked a bit different. Though the story with Arnold actually dropping the real Mini-Vulcan despite protests about damaging the weapon is quite believable.

And ID yourself next time! :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Some little edits==

I took it upon myself to edit a few things, mostly the very few remaining spelling errors, since I'm re-reading the entire page.

I also replaced the standard 1911 thumbnail (On the Pescadero Guard) with one of a Nickel 1911, as the guard's gun is Nickel of course.

Also I edited this thumbnail text. The extra comment wasn't absolutely necessary, and I agree with the guy who remarked about the comment anyway.

[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor, without even ordering her to drop her weapons,which doesnt seem like something a SWAT team would do.]]
Yeah, well, something tells me the SWAT team only gets called in when diplomacy has failed, and given that they'd already shot the place up pretty good, I think the SWAT team was justified in not asking for their honorable surrender. ~Cozmo

Otherwise a truly excellent page, probably the best on the site, I'd say.

Oh yeah, there were two lines of text stating the trivia was moved here, so I got rid of one of them as well.

''Hope you enjoy the ride!'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sons of Anarchy

2010-07-20T00:43:51Z

GaBoy45:

Could one of you guys that knows how to screencap good pics really well post some pictures on here. That'd be nice.
:Im gonna buy the season 1 dvd when i can, but you need to change the code for the pics from right to none. it'll make the page all pretty. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Has anyone bought the season one DVD of this kick-ass show yet? Can't wait to see all the cool screenshots some of you come up with. Hope to see 'em on here soon.

On 10/13/2009, Jax is seen using what appears to be a customized M1911A1 in a shoulder rig. Does anybody know if this has become Jax's new weapon of choice?

*I have the first season so, if you want, I can cap as much as I can when I can as long as someone else takes care of the layout. Additionally, I do not think the .45 is Jax's new standard. Like most of the characters he seems to use whatever is handy and since SAMCRO has access to quite an extensive selection. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]

:: Am working on capping as much as I can of season 1 and 2...if someone wants to organize them just give me a shout --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the custom 1911 we saw Jax carrying in the episode where he searched Weston's house is his new primary sidearm because it was also seen in the latest episode when he tells Clay to put a bullet in the back of his head.- ArmoredMason619

This are just the first caps. More will be forthcoming. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 15:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kick ass screen caps man. I been waiting awhile for someone to put em up for my favorite show. Hope to see more!- ArmoredMason619

Added more caps and, in my own anal retentive tradition, organized the weapons by class and alphabetically. Got a few more on the way. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Real nice job with the page man. It looks good and some good screencaps too.- ArmoredMason619
== Introduction ==

Hey there everyone i was just introduceing myself here im a first time visitor who hopes to become a daily reader!

== Happy's guns ==
Anyone know what kind of guns Happy carries?

In the episode where Devil's Tribe crosses over he pulls two service size Glocks out of his vest.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what episode this is from, but he's certainly not holding a Glock. Between the sites and upper slide, I'm left with 1911, BHP, or something else...but certainly no tuperware. Which episode is this?
It was in Fa Gaun

I have reason to believe it is a EAA Witness P 45

I think I saw exposed hammers on those two. Any other guess?

I stated that in the episode where the Devil's Tribe was patched over, Season 1 episode 4, Happy used two fullsize Glocks. The picture is from season 2. The picture is probably a 1911 of some sort.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:SOA 47.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Note the gun Happy is carrying, you call that a Glock?!]]

==Edits==
I removed the unidentified .357 from this page. I watched the episode over and over and my best cap allowed no clear identification of the weapon other than it may have had ivory grips and also the fact that it is never really seen clearly again but...you can be the judge. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks a little like a Smith and Wesson k/l frame, short barrel revolver. Check it out, and hopefully you can find the right one. Cheers. - Mcain

[[Image:SOA 46.jpg]]

The 1911 in SOA - most always used by Jax Teller in the second season - is in fact, a Springfield Armory 1911. I believe it to be either modified Mil Spec with Novak Sights, beavertail, flared magwell/MSH, etc, OR more likely, a Springfield Professional (judging by the slanted 'CUSTOM' stamp front right). 12:24, 1 December 2009 - MCain

[[Image:http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PC9111.jpg]]

==Jaxs Glock==
Anyone know what happened to Jaxs Glock?

I am going to assume they issued him the .45 to give him something distinctive like Clay's USP or Bobby's S&W the Glock being a little more generic than the .45. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the Finale==

In S02EP13, agent Stahl is seen using a black on black Kahr PM9 (not the CW9)after shooting Edmond Hayes.

You will also see Polly Zobelle running what looks like a Smith and Wesson 3913, in the same scene.

Also look for Cameron Hayes when he holds up Halfsac and Tara with a Sig 226(R) or 220. - Mcain

There were also a lot of Shotguns.

==Jaxs season 3 gun==
If they follow what they did last season they are most likely going to give a new gun. Any predictions? Also do you think they are going to get rid of his 45?

==Moved from front page==
''It could very well be a Springfield but I could not quite make out the markings. Any assist would be much appreciated. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)''

I believe that its a modified Springfield/Colt M1911A1 the reason for this is because it could very likely be Jax's fathers service pistol from when he was in the military during Vietnam.

In a few of the last episodes of season 2 you can clearly seeit is marked Kimber. It looks like it may be a Kimber Royal II 45 ACP ;)

Sorry but in the last few episodes, specifically the episode when Jax goes into Weston's house only to find his children, you can see the markings on the 1911 very clearly. The marking on the back of the slide is that of a Springfield Armory. The marking on the font of the slide, if you're a Springfield fan, you can tell that it says Springfield Custom. Jax uses a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. Springfield uses clear lettering on their pistols whereas Kimber uses custom cursive, kind of italic.

FRom the Looks of it, i think its a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. I can tell you that its not Jax's Dads Service Pistol form Vietnam because of the sights on the weapon.

it's very clearly a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1
the address... http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/springfieldarmoryprofessional45.jpg

again as i say its possible that is john tellers service pistol considering springfield suppilied the goverment with 45s during vietnam

To whoever is saying that it could be John Tellers service pistol you are dead wrong. And even more wrong about Springfield supplying firearms to the govt in the VN war. Springfield Armory, Inc. didn't exist in any capacity until 1974. That style of 1911 wasn't popular until at earliest the mid 90s and Professional model 1911s are custom built, you can not send them a gun and have it turned into a professional model.[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Springfield Armory has been around long before '74; however, it was not the company that it is today. Though circulation was one of the lowest - along with US&S - the Springfields were around. In the case of Jaxs, it is agreeably a SA Professional straight from the Custom Shop. Same features, along with the 'CUSTOM' rollmark posted front-right. Great weapon choices for the characters -- I especially loved Clay's Expert.

Talk:Predators (2010)

2010-07-10T15:54:04Z

GaBoy45:

==anyone seen this yet?==

wondering if its any good -k9870

nm, noticed its out next week

adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.

Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

== youtube content==

if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons.

Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.

== How do you know about the guns? ==

I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.

From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]

Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry Dillinger. I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

== Minigun? ==

I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17

Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2" and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5" andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and "Ol' Painless" looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.

I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?

There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive. There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it. There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive. The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun. In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.

==Royce==
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

looks like MEU SOC variant although I cant be sure

Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior

[[Image:KimberDesertWarrior.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol\Kimber Desert Warrior, .45 ACP.]]

Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the "II" kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a "Moron" but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911. There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out "its a Kimber narf" --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler & Koch PSG1 in the script.
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:: I dont think a sniper rifle is the best weapon to use ageist a predator.

a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. "There it is!" bang. bang. Movie over.

Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]

true, but the only problem is finding it when it cloaked

:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
:::I'm talking about ''snipers''. Snipers are hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Replaced Weapons ==

Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just seen it ==

I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:So no "You ugly mother fucker" ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo "come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something" You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.

If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think they cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Predators (2010)

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Talk:Burn Notice

2010-07-08T12:20:24Z

GaBoy45:

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==Sig not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered Glock 19.]]
- This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg ]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

2010-05-25T21:01:29Z

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==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
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:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

--
This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:SpetnazPoster.jpg|center|600px]]

::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so) Yeah the Grach MP-443--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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dary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Why exactly does the image comment on the Benelli M3 say that the M4 would do better? As far as I know, they are both semi-auto tubular-magazine shotguns with similar capacities; all the M4 brings to the table is its special stock, which doesn't add up to a significant advantage over a regular tactical stock unless you're talking varied terrain or engagement ranges (going from medium to CQB to short range and back again). I haven't seen this newer episode with the M3 (I only saw the one with the Remington M870 or something), but they probably used it in pump-action only (for that extra dose of bullshit).

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:Actually it's a typo. I was refering to the M3, not the M4 since the M4 wasn't in the screen cap. I was saying that another semi auto would be better to compare to a semi auto shotgun like the Saiga [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Except the Benelli M3 is selective; you can switch between pump-action and semi-auto (the semi-auto has the same functionality as the Benelli M1, which is more or less the gold standard of rapid-response semi-auto shotguns; how can the Saiga, a re-purposed 12 Gauge variant of a sporter version of an AK, stack up to a purpose-built tactical shotgun?).

In all honesty, it really doesn't matter about fairness, because the whole test was rigged to begin with. We're talking about the same show that put a siege weapon against a battle axe.

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==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

If they were going for shock value and the coolness factor, they would have used Simunition and a hit-detection rig instead of this "programmer" bullshit. Why did they throw the science in if they're going to just half-ass it? They should pack it in and just go for maximum collateral, like everything else that involves guns and Spike TV.

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==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it's idiotic to pit a regional rapid-response team to a federal counter-terrorism/mobile response force; it's like trying to compare an officer of the Gendarmerie Nationale against FBI special agents. It would have made much more sense to use the FBI HRT, GIGN, or equivalent. Also, their entire method of testing is just bullcrap. I say use Simunition and a hit detection rig and let them at each other; for hand-to-hand, there are plenty of compact force detection rigs, and I'm sure that almost all of these organizations have cross-trained before.

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==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably easier to bring to bear (a Bowie is a pretty decent chunk of steel, whereas the stiletto is the equivalent of a sharpened steel rod with a handle), but I agree, once you get it upon your enemy, they don't stand a chance. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

Anyone else cringe when he pistol whipped the skull with the chamber and barrel of the pistol and not the butt, hope he wasnt planning on using that gun to shoot with if he pisto whips like that - Captain Snikt

Probably put the damn thing out of lock. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

:::::I'm waiting for fluffy pillow versus toxic Fart.......[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In answer to the Pistol whipping question, that's how they used to pistol whip people, with the barrel/ cylinder area.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In fact, the Remington Model 1858 was popular with Lawmen of the period for the simple reason that it was a solid frame compared to Colt's early models which weren't. Pistol whipping was a whole lot less harmful to a solid frame. The Peacemaker was made the same way. You would have pistol whipped them with the barrel unless you were highly proficient with the bandit shift you wouldn't want to take your finger that far away from the trigger. These were fixed sight guns so you didn't have to worry about knocking the sights out of alignment. And as they proved you weren't going to damage the guns as your head is of a much weaker material.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== NAZI vs Vietcong ==

The gun match ups are just stupid for the NAZIs, I mean, they have the C96 for their handgun when the Luger is known for the gun of Germans or even the Walther P-38, but I understand not the P38 cause they did it already in the Yakuza episode. And no MP40? And a flamethrower? They've already done a Flamerthrower for the IRA, why another one? I guess they don't want the AK or any AK variants for the Vietcong? This was just disappointing. They don't even take into account that the Vietcong is jungle warfare vs the NAZIs SS that never had jungle warfare training. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:You might as well stop bitching about this show's infinite stupidity, because everyone knows this show is made by mall ninjas, for mall ninjas. I can't imagine how many points my IQ dropped when I watched the IRA/Taliban match-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit of history for both of you. After WWII was over the French absorbed a fairly large number of German troops into their Foriegn Legion. These German trained troops were actily fighting the Viet Mihn and kicking ass. Unfortunatly for the French some reporter broke the story that the French Government were using former German troops including members of the SS. The result was a purge of the ranks of the Foreign Legion. Soon afterwards the French being...well the french started seriously getting their tail kicked. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually this episode impressed me the most out of all the others. The Waffen SS, as they were the descendants and conquerors of the dreaded Brownshirts, favored the Mauser C96. A lot of them liked the greater ammo capacity and armor piercing capability of the 7.63mm. The MP 28 was the first issued submachine gun as it was the first that was manufactured when they broke the Versailles treaty. As for pitting it against the MAT 49, it was a fair matchup. They would have had a lot of MAT 49's left when the French were defeated. Yes this show gets a lot of stuff wrong but they are trying to do a fantasy on a thirty minute tv show as best they can. So stop bitching so much. If you had to list the entire arsenal used by the Viet Cong, you'd be here for a while. They used everything and anything they could. The choices were good. They were supplied by the Russians which explains the TT 33 as well as the MAT 49. All in all the show is entertaining. Yes they get things wrong. What show doesn't every now and then? I think that they are getting better about things though.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I know they've done AKs before, but how can you picture Vietcong without an AK47? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

And wouldn't it make more sense to pit Chechen separatists or the Taliban against the Vietcong? Why do they make a point of comparing two entities in entirely different categories? Like the SWAT vs. GS9. Why would you put a regional, local response organization against a federal rapid response unit?

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The same could be asked why a guy with a SAA can defeat guys with freaking Tommy GUNS!!!! 07:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Easy when one does exactly as they did. Fire first, hit first or come around the back and hit them. Just because one group had a tommy gun doesn't automatically mean he wins. Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accurate is final". He may have had the most rapid fire weapon but they proved that emptying a fifty round drum only produced one or two shots on a person. The James Gang had a higher ratio with their humble SAA's. Its oftentimes not the gun but the gunfighter that decides it. The James gang were well versed in firearms and tactics. Capone's gang was a bunch of thugs who used brute force and short ambushes to win. Capone's hits himself were pulled on unsuspecting men who had no chance to defend themselves. Jesse and Frank James fought Union regular army units face to face.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Only a foolish man would underestimate a SAA in a trained hand...full auto is ONLY good for cover fire. [[Spades of Columbia]]

:I'd pick a Tommy simply because it has more range, stopping power, more ammo and rapid fire. Not just in full auto, but semi auto. I'd be able to keep the guy with the six shooter down under I can flank him or short burst to control accuracy. That alone would give me an overpowering advantage against a guy with 2 SAA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, you would, and I would, just as a trained warrior would. But Capone's gang were not trained. The only thing they had any experience with is shooting unsuspecting men or drive by shootings. Even the most effective example of the Thompson's power was the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, though they relied on subterfuge and lined up the victims against the wall. The argument still stands. Both groups were used to standing and shooting it out. The James gang would have one being as they were the first to draw, the first to fire, and most importantly the first to hit. I would choose the Thompson over the SAA if I was going into battle. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

2010-05-25T02:19:02Z

GaBoy45:

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
[[Image:Fwm992.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

--
This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so) Yeah the Grach MP-443--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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dary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Why exactly does the image comment on the Benelli M3 say that the M4 would do better? As far as I know, they are both semi-auto tubular-magazine shotguns with similar capacities; all the M4 brings to the table is its special stock, which doesn't add up to a significant advantage over a regular tactical stock unless you're talking varied terrain or engagement ranges (going from medium to CQB to short range and back again). I haven't seen this newer episode with the M3 (I only saw the one with the Remington M870 or something), but they probably used it in pump-action only (for that extra dose of bullshit).

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:Actually it's a typo. I was refering to the M3, not the M4 since the M4 wasn't in the screen cap. I was saying that another semi auto would be better to compare to a semi auto shotgun like the Saiga [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

If they were going for shock value and the coolness factor, they would have used Simunition and a hit-detection rig instead of this "programmer" bullshit. Why did they throw the science in if they're going to just half-ass it? They should pack it in and just go for maximum collateral, like everything else that involves guns and Spike TV.

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==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it's idiotic to pit a regional rapid-response team to a federal counter-terrorism/mobile response force; it's like trying to compare an officer of the Gendarmerie Nationale against FBI special agents. It would have made much more sense to use the FBI HRT, GIGN, or equivalent. Also, their entire method of testing is just bullcrap. I say use Simunition and a hit detection rig and let them at each other; for hand-to-hand, there are plenty of compact force detection rigs, and I'm sure that almost all of these organizations have cross-trained before.

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==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably easier to bring to bear (a Bowie is a pretty decent chunk of steel, whereas the stiletto is the equivalent of a sharpened steel rod with a handle), but I agree, once you get it upon your enemy, they don't stand a chance. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

Anyone else cringe when he pistol whipped the skull with the chamber and barrel of the pistol and not the butt, hope he wasnt planning on using that gun to shoot with if he pisto whips like that - Captain Snikt

Probably put the damn thing out of lock. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

:::::I'm waiting for fluffy pillow versus toxic Fart.......[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In answer to the Pistol whipping question, that's how they used to pistol whip people, with the barrel/ cylinder area.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

== NAZI vs Vietcong ==

The gun match ups are just stupid for the NAZIs, I mean, they have the C96 for their handgun when the Luger is known for the gun of Germans or even the Walther P-38, but I understand not the P38 cause they did it already in the Yakuza episode. And no MP40? And a flamethrower? They've already done a Flamerthrower for the IRA, why another one? I guess they don't want the AK or any AK variants for the Vietcong? This was just disappointing. They don't even take into account that the Vietcong is jungle warfare vs the NAZIs SS that never had jungle warfare training. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:You might as well stop bitching about this show's infinite stupidity, because everyone knows this show is made by mall ninjas, for mall ninjas. I can't imagine how many points my IQ dropped when I watched the IRA/Taliban match-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit of history for both of you. After WWII was over the French absorbed a fairly large number of German troops into their Foriegn Legion. These German trained troops were actily fighting the Viet Mihn and kicking ass. Unfortunatly for the French some reporter broke the story that the French Government were using former German troops including members of the SS. The result was a purge of the ranks of the Foreign Legion. Soon afterwards the French being...well the french started seriously getting their tail kicked. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually this episode impressed me the most out of all the others. The Waffen SS, as they were the descendants and conquerors of the dreaded Brownshirts, favored the Mauser C96. A lot of them liked the greater ammo capacity and armor piercing capability of the 7.63mm. The MP 28 was the first issued submachine gun as it was the first that was manufactured when they broke the Versailles treaty. As for pitting it against the MAT 49, it was a fair matchup. They would have had a lot of MAT 49's left when the French were defeated. Yes this show gets a lot of stuff wrong but they are trying to do a fantasy on a thirty minute tv show as best they can. So stop bitching so much. If you had to list the entire arsenal used by the Viet Cong, you'd be here for a while. They used everything and anything they could. The choices were good. They were supplied by the Russians which explains the TT 33 as well as the MAT 49. All in all the show is entertaining. Yes they get things wrong. What show doesn't every now and then? I think that they are getting better about things though.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I know they've done AKs before, but how can you picture Vietcong without an AK47? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

And wouldn't it make more sense to pit Chechen separatists or the Taliban against the Vietcong? Why do they make a point of comparing two entities in entirely different categories? Like the SWAT vs. GS9. Why would you put a regional, local response organization against a federal rapid response unit?

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The same could be asked why a guy with a SAA can defeat guys with freaking Tommy GUNS!!!! 07:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Easy when one does exactly as they did. Fire first, hit first or come around the back and hit them. Just because one group had a tommy gun doesn't automatically mean he wins. Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accurate is final". He may have had the most rapid fire weapon but they proved that emptying a fifty round drum only produced one or two shots on a person. The James Gang had a higher ratio with their humble SAA's. Its oftentimes not the gun but the gunfighter that decides it. The James gang were well versed in firearms and tactics. Capone's gang was a bunch of thugs who used brute force and short ambushes to win. Capone's hits himself were pulled on unsuspecting men who had no chance to defend themselves. Jesse and Frank James fought Union regular army units face to face.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Only a foolish man would underestimate a SAA in a trained hand...full auto is ONLY good for cover fire. [[Spades of Columbia]]

:I'd pick a Tommy simply because it has more range, stopping power, more ammo and rapid fire. Not just in full auto, but semi auto. I'd be able to keep the guy with the six shooter down under I can flank him or short burst to control accuracy. That alone would give me an overpowering advantage against a guy with 2 SAA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, you would, and I would, just as a trained warrior would. But Capone's gang were not trained. The only thing they had any experience with is shooting unsuspecting men or drive by shootings. Even the most effective example of the Thompson's power was the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, though they relied on subterfuge and lined up the victims against the wall. The argument still stands. Both groups were used to standing and shooting it out. The James gang would have one being as they were the first to draw, the first to fire, and most importantly the first to hit. I would choose the Thompson over the SAA if I was going into battle. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

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GaBoy45:

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
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:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

--
This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so)--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secondary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Why exactly does the image comment on the Benelli M3 say that the M4 would do better? As far as I know, they are both semi-auto tubular-magazine shotguns with similar capacities; all the M4 brings to the table is its special stock, which doesn't add up to a significant advantage over a regular tactical stock unless you're talking varied terrain or engagement ranges (going from medium to CQB to short range and back again). I haven't seen this newer episode with the M3 (I only saw the one with the Remington M870 or something), but they probably used it in pump-action only (for that extra dose of bullshit).

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==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

If they were going for shock value and the coolness factor, they would have used Simunition and a hit-detection rig instead of this "programmer" bullshit. Why did they throw the science in if they're going to just half-ass it? They should pack it in and just go for maximum collateral, like everything else that involves guns and Spike TV.

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==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it's idiotic to pit a regional rapid-response team to a federal counter-terrorism/mobile response force; it's like trying to compare an officer of the Gendarmerie Nationale against FBI special agents. It would have made much more sense to use the FBI HRT, GIGN, or equivalent. Also, their entire method of testing is just bullcrap. I say use Simunition and a hit detection rig and let them at each other; for hand-to-hand, there are plenty of compact force detection rigs, and I'm sure that almost all of these organizations have cross-trained before.

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==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably easier to bring to bear (a Bowie is a pretty decent chunk of steel, whereas the stiletto is the equivalent of a sharpened steel rod with a handle), but I agree, once you get it upon your enemy, they don't stand a chance. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

Anyone else cringe when he pistol whipped the skull with the chamber and barrel of the pistol and not the butt, hope he wasnt planning on using that gun to shoot with if he pisto whips like that - Captain Snikt

Probably put the damn thing out of lock. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

:::::I'm waiting for fluffy pillow versus toxic Fart.......[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In answer to the Pistol whipping question, that's how they used to pistol whip people, with the barrel/ cylinder area.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

== NAZI vs Vietcong ==

The gun match ups are just stupid for the NAZIs, I mean, they have the C96 for their handgun when the Luger is known for the gun of Germans or even the Walther P-38, but I understand not the P38 cause they did it already in the Yakuza episode. And no MP40? And a flamethrower? They've already done a Flamerthrower for the IRA, why another one? I guess they don't want the AK or any AK variants for the Vietcong? This was just disappointing. They don't even take into account that the Vietcong is jungle warfare vs the NAZIs SS that never had jungle warfare training. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:You might as well stop bitching about this show's infinite stupidity, because everyone knows this show is made by mall ninjas, for mall ninjas. I can't imagine how many points my IQ dropped when I watched the IRA/Taliban match-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit of history for both of you. After WWII was over the French absorbed a fairly large number of German troops into their Foriegn Legion. These German trained troops were actily fighting the Viet Mihn and kicking ass. Unfortunatly for the French some reporter broke the story that the French Government were using former German troops including members of the SS. The result was a purge of the ranks of the Foreign Legion. Soon afterwards the French being...well the french started seriously getting their tail kicked. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually this episode impressed me the most out of all the others. The Waffen SS, as they were the descendants and conquerors of the dreaded Brownshirts, favored the Mauser C96. A lot of them liked the greater ammo capacity and armor piercing capability of the 7.63mm. The MP 28 was the first issued submachine gun as it was the first that was manufactured when they broke the Versailles treaty. As for pitting it against the MAT 49, it was a fair matchup. They would have had a lot of MAT 49's left when the French were defeated. Yes this show gets a lot of stuff wrong but they are trying to do a fantasy on a thirty minute tv show as best they can. So stop bitching so much. If you had to list the entire arsenal used by the Viet Cong, you'd be here for a while. They used everything and anything they could. The choices were good. They were supplied by the Russians which explains the TT 33 as well as the MAT 49. All in all the show is entertaining. Yes they get things wrong. What show doesn't every now and then? I think that they are getting better about things though.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I know they've done AKs before, but how can you picture Vietcong without an AK47? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

And wouldn't it make more sense to pit Chechen separatists or the Taliban against the Vietcong? Why do they make a point of comparing two entities in entirely different categories? Like the SWAT vs. GS9. Why would you put a regional, local response organization against a federal rapid response unit?

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The same could be asked why a guy with a SAA can defeat guys with freaking Tommy GUNS!!!! 07:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Easy when one does exactly as they did. Fire first, hit first or come around the back and hit them. Just because one group had a tommy gun doesn't automatically mean he wins. Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accurate is final". He may have had the most rapid fire weapon but they proved that emptying a fifty round drum only produced one or two shots on a person. The James Gang had a higher ratio with their humble SAA's. Its oftentimes not the gun but the gunfighter that decides it. The James gang were well versed in firearms and tactics. Capone's gang was a bunch of thugs who used brute force and short ambushes to win. Capone's hits himself were pulled on unsuspecting men who had no chance to defend themselves. Jesse and Frank James fought Union regular army units face to face.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Only a foolish man would underestimate a SAA in a trained hand...full auto is ONLY good for cover fire. [[Spades of Columbia]]

:I'd pick a Tommy simply because it has more range, stopping power, more ammo and rapid fire. Not just in full auto, but semi auto. I'd be able to keep the guy with the six shooter down under I can flank him or short burst to control accuracy. That alone would give me an overpowering advantage against a guy with 2 SAA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, you would, and I would, just as any trained warrior would. But Capone's gang were not trained. The only thing they had any experience with is shooting unsuspecting men or drive by shootings. Even the most effective example of the Thompson's power was the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, though they relied on subterfuge and lined up the victims against the wall. The thing still stands. Both groups were used to standing and shooting it out. The James gang would have one being as they were the first to draw, the first to hit, and most importantly the first to hit. I would choose the Thompson over the SAA if I was going into battle. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

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GaBoy45:

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
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:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

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This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so)--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secondary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Why exactly does the image comment on the Benelli M3 say that the M4 would do better? As far as I know, they are both semi-auto tubular-magazine shotguns with similar capacities; all the M4 brings to the table is its special stock, which doesn't add up to a significant advantage over a regular tactical stock unless you're talking varied terrain or engagement ranges (going from medium to CQB to short range and back again). I haven't seen this newer episode with the M3 (I only saw the one with the Remington M870 or something), but they probably used it in pump-action only (for that extra dose of bullshit).

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==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

If they were going for shock value and the coolness factor, they would have used Simunition and a hit-detection rig instead of this "programmer" bullshit. Why did they throw the science in if they're going to just half-ass it? They should pack it in and just go for maximum collateral, like everything else that involves guns and Spike TV.

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==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it's idiotic to pit a regional rapid-response team to a federal counter-terrorism/mobile response force; it's like trying to compare an officer of the Gendarmerie Nationale against FBI special agents. It would have made much more sense to use the FBI HRT, GIGN, or equivalent. Also, their entire method of testing is just bullcrap. I say use Simunition and a hit detection rig and let them at each other; for hand-to-hand, there are plenty of compact force detection rigs, and I'm sure that almost all of these organizations have cross-trained before.

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==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably easier to bring to bear (a Bowie is a pretty decent chunk of steel, whereas the stiletto is the equivalent of a sharpened steel rod with a handle), but I agree, once you get it upon your enemy, they don't stand a chance. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

Anyone else cringe when he pistol whipped the skull with the chamber and barrel of the pistol and not the butt, hope he wasnt planning on using that gun to shoot with if he pisto whips like that - Captain Snikt

Probably put the damn thing out of lock. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

:::::I'm waiting for fluffy pillow versus toxic Fart.......[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In answer to the Pistol whipping question, that's how they used to pistol whip people, with the barrel/ cylinder area.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

== NAZI vs Vietcong ==

The gun match ups are just stupid for the NAZIs, I mean, they have the C96 for their handgun when the Luger is known for the gun of Germans or even the Walther P-38, but I understand not the P38 cause they did it already in the Yakuza episode. And no MP40? And a flamethrower? They've already done a Flamerthrower for the IRA, why another one? I guess they don't want the AK or any AK variants for the Vietcong? This was just disappointing. They don't even take into account that the Vietcong is jungle warfare vs the NAZIs SS that never had jungle warfare training. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:You might as well stop bitching about this show's infinite stupidity, because everyone knows this show is made by mall ninjas, for mall ninjas. I can't imagine how many points my IQ dropped when I watched the IRA/Taliban match-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit of history for both of you. After WWII was over the French absorbed a fairly large number of German troops into their Foriegn Legion. These German trained troops were actily fighting the Viet Mihn and kicking ass. Unfortunatly for the French some reporter broke the story that the French Government were using former German troops including members of the SS. The result was a purge of the ranks of the Foreign Legion. Soon afterwards the French being...well the french started seriously getting their tail kicked. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually this episode impressed me the most out of all the others. The Waffen SS, as they were the descendants and conquerors of the dreaded Brownshirts, favored the Mauser C96. A lot of them liked the greater ammo capacity and armor piercing capability of the 7.63mm. The MP 28 was the first issued submachine gun as it was the first that was manufactured when they broke the Versailles treaty. As for pitting it against the MAT 49, it was a fair matchup. They would have had a lot of MAT 49's left when the French were defeated. Yes this show gets a lot of stuff wrong but they are trying to do a fantasy on a thirty minute tv show as best they can. So stop bitching so much. If you had to list the entire arsenal used by the Viet Cong, you'd be here for a while. They used everything and anything they could. The choices were good. They were supplied by the Russians which explains the TT 33 as well as the MAT 49. All in all the show is entertaining. Yes they get things wrong. What show doesn't every now and then? I think that they are getting better about things though.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I know they've done AKs before, but how can you picture Vietcong without an AK47? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

And wouldn't it make more sense to pit Chechen separatists or the Taliban against the Vietcong? Why do they make a point of comparing two entities in entirely different categories? Like the SWAT vs. GS9. Why would you put a regional, local response organization against a federal rapid response unit?

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The same could be asked why a guy with a SAA can defeat guys with freaking Tommy GUNS!!!! 07:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Easy when one does exactly as they did. Fire first, hit first or come around the back and hit them. Just because one group had a tommy gun doesn't automatically mean he wins. Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accurate is final". He may have had the most rapid fire weapon but they proved that emptying a fifty round drum only produced one or two shots on a person. The James Gang had a higher ratio with their humble SAA's. Its oftentimes not the gun but the gunfighter that decides it. The James gang were well versed in firearms and tactics. Capone's gang was a bunch of thugs who used brute force and short ambushes to win. Capone's hits himself were pulled on unsuspecting men who had no chance to defend themselves. Jesse and Frank James fought Union regular army units face to face.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

2010-05-19T16:49:03Z

GaBoy45:

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
[[Image:Fwm992.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

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This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:SpetnazPoster.jpg|center|600px]]

::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so)--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secondary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Why exactly does the image comment on the Benelli M3 say that the M4 would do better? As far as I know, they are both semi-auto tubular-magazine shotguns with similar capacities; all the M4 brings to the table is its special stock, which doesn't add up to a significant advantage over a regular tactical stock unless you're talking varied terrain or engagement ranges (going from medium to CQB to short range and back again). I haven't seen this newer episode with the M3 (I only saw the one with the Remington M870 or something), but they probably used it in pump-action only (for that extra dose of bullshit).

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==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

If they were going for shock value and the coolness factor, they would have used Simunition and a hit-detection rig instead of this "programmer" bullshit. Why did they throw the science in if they're going to just half-ass it? They should pack it in and just go for maximum collateral, like everything else that involves guns and Spike TV.

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==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it's idiotic to pit a regional rapid-response team to a federal counter-terrorism/mobile response force; it's like trying to compare an officer of the Gendarmerie Nationale against FBI special agents. It would have made much more sense to use the FBI HRT, GIGN, or equivalent. Also, their entire method of testing is just bullcrap. I say use Simunition and a hit detection rig and let them at each other; for hand-to-hand, there are plenty of compact force detection rigs, and I'm sure that almost all of these organizations have cross-trained before.

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==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably easier to bring to bear (a Bowie is a pretty decent chunk of steel, whereas the stiletto is the equivalent of a sharpened steel rod with a handle), but I agree, once you get it upon your enemy, they don't stand a chance. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

Anyone else cringe when he pistol whipped the skull with the chamber and barrel of the pistol and not the butt, hope he wasnt planning on using that gun to shoot with if he pisto whips like that - Captain Snikt

Probably put the damn thing out of lock. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

:::::I'm waiting for fluffy pillow versus toxic Fart.......[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In answer to the Pistol whipping question, that's how they used to pistol whip people, with the barrel/ cylinder area.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

== NAZI vs Vietcong ==

The gun match ups are just stupid for the NAZIs, I mean, they have the C96 for their handgun when the Luger is known for the gun of Germans or even the Walther P-38, but I understand not the P38 cause they did it already in the Yakuza episode. And no MP40? And a flamethrower? They've already done a Flamerthrower for the IRA, why another one? I guess they don't want the AK or any AK variants for the Vietcong? This was just disappointing. They don't even take into account that the Vietcong is jungle warfare vs the NAZIs SS that never had jungle warfare training. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:You might as well stop bitching about this show's infinite stupidity, because everyone knows this show is made by mall ninjas, for mall ninjas. I can't imagine how many points my IQ dropped when I watched the IRA/Taliban match-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually this episode impressed me the most out of all the others. The Waffen SS, as they were the descendants and conquerors of the dreaded Brownshirts, favored the Mauser C96. A lot of them liked the greater ammo capacity and armor piercing capability of the 7.63mm. The MP 28 was the first issued submachine gun as it was the first that was manufactured when they broke the Versailles treaty. As for pitting it against the MAT 49, it was a fair matchup. They would have had a lot of MAT 49's left when the French were defeated. Yes this show gets a lot of stuff wrong but they are trying to do a fantasy on a thirty minute tv show as best they can. So stop bitching so much. If you had to list the entire arsenal used by the Viet Cong, you'd be here for a while. They used everything and anything they could. The choices were good. They were supplied by the Russians which explains the TT 33 as well as the MAT 49. All in all the show is entertaining. Yes they get things wrong. What show doesn't every now and then? I think that they are getting better about things though.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

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GaBoy45:

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
[[Image:Fwm992.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

--
This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:SpetnazPoster.jpg|center|600px]]

::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so)--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secondary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SAWT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:L.A. Confidential

2010-05-13T17:20:56Z

GaBoy45:

I have made some corrections to this page, based on a recent complete viewing, and a half-dozen reviews of specific scenes.
Jack's pistol may have been a Commander, but could not have been a Combat Commander, as the latter model was not introduced until 1972. It's likely that the other Colt .45 pistols shown in the movie were commercial Government Models, and not military-issue M1911A1s.
The pistol with which Capt. Dudley shoots Jack must be a Colt M1903 Pocket Hammerless, rather than a M1908 as previously posted, as in the squad room, Dudley informs the assembled officers that Jack was killed with a .32 (the '08 is a .380).
The gun planted by White is much too small to be a K-frame (previously identified as a Model 10). It's probably a .32, built on a smaller J- or even I-frame. Smith & Wesson introduced model numbers long after the '53 time period in which the movie was set, so a "Model 10" would be correctly identified as a "Military & Police" model. Likewise, the "Model 14" which was previously posted as the type of revolver with which Dudley shot White at the Victory Motel, was actually a Combat Masterpiece, later numbered Model 15. The 15 is readily identified, compared to the 14, by its Baughman ramp front sight; the 14 had a patridge front sight, as shown in the illustration.

:''Jack's pistol may have been a Commander, but could not have been a Combat Commander, as the latter model was not introduced until 1972.''

:Right, but the MOVIE was made in 1996-97, so isn't that irrelevant? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The Colt Lightweight Commander (lower reciever was made out of a lightweight metal alloy) was introduced in 1949.The all steel framed Colt Commander was introduced in 1972 so the film is consistent. Are you certain that they aren't using that version? I will have to check out the movie again to see if the front sight is a Baughman front sight on the revolver used by Dudley. If so then the movie folks screwed up becasue S&W did not start manufacturing the Model 15 with a six inch barrel into the eighties after the Model 14 was discontinued. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

I was basing my assessment of the Commander on what was available in the early '50s when the movie is set, rather than what was available to the movie producers; even if the gun used in the production was a Combat Commander, it would have to represent a Commander. I reviewed the movie again, looking specifically for details of Jack's gun, and I couldn't even be sure it was a Commander. There's no clear shot of the hammer, and I couldn't really tell if the slide was Commander- or Government-length.
Dudley's gun is clearly a 4" Combat Masterpiece; it's seen in profile as he thumb-cocks it to shoot Exley in the Victory Motel.
The gun "dropped" by White is appears to be a .32 Hand Ejector, which was made in a number of sub-models, and in very large numbers in the first half of the 20th Century. It's a six-shot .32, with round-butt frame.

== Yep, It is a S&W Model 15 ==

Okay just finished wiping the egg off my face. I swear that all the times I've watched ''LA Confidential'' in the past I always saw James Cromwell using a Model 14 Target Masterpiece with a 6" barrel and Patridge front sights. But I just watched the big shootout again and sure enough it is a Model 15 Combat Masterpiece with a 4" barrel and the Baughman front ramp sight. Not only that but I just noticed that it had the newer style wood target grips on it. Those weren't introduced by S&W until the late seventies and LA Confidential takes place in the early fifties so a whoops there.

I went ahead and changed the photo.[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

== White's planted revolver ==

'''Could this be a Smith & Wesson K-22?'''

Officer White plants his backup revolver, a in the hand of rapist Sylvester Fitch ([[Jeff Sanders]]) to make his murder look like self-defense. Nite Owl suspect Ty Jones ([[Kareem Washington]]) grabs a Model 10 to try and defend himself from Exley and Carlisle during their raid.
[[Image:LAC-Jones-rev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jones ([[Kareem Washington]]) reaches for his revolver.]]
[[Image:LAC-Bud-bkp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|White places a revolver with pre-taped trigger and grip in Fitch's hand.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Agree that the "Jones" gun is a K-frame, probably Military & Police .38.
The "Fitch" gun, is still, in my opinion, much too small to be a K, and is likely a 6-shot .32.

== The Two Man Shooter Teams ==

I know they are never really seen clearly but, any clue what the "Two Man Shooters" use? You get the impression at the beginning it is some sort of automatic weapon (M2 Carbine). --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

You are right. They aren't clear,but I always figured they were using the [[Reising Submachine Gun]]. That model was actually used by the L.A.P.D. for many years after WW II and the bad guys were pretty arrogant. I couls see them using police weapons.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

What about the Danish Madsen? I could see those as being easy to get. You know like the ones used in the Godfather movies. But I could see them using Reisings or M2 Carbines. Hard to tell but good guesses all around. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Nite Owl Shotguns in Mercury ==

The middle shotgun is clearly a takedown Winchester of some sort...from the shape of the stock, I'm guessing an 1897. I have no idea about the one in back. The front one (of which only the stock is visible) does look a bit like a Winchester 12.

Talk:Jesse Stone: Thin Ice

2010-04-29T01:19:23Z

GaBoy45: New page: In the movie, he comments that its hard to work the safety since it is only on the left side of the gun. He comments that he doesn't like ambidextrous safeties because they are too easy to...

In the movie, he comments that its hard to work the safety since it is only on the left side of the gun. He comments that he doesn't like ambidextrous safeties because they are too easy to switch to "fire" on accident. The revolver would negate this.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 01:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sons of Anarchy

2010-04-10T19:03:19Z

GaBoy45:

Could one of you guys that knows how to screencap good pics really well post some pictures on here. That'd be nice.
:Im gonna buy the season 1 dvd when i can, but you need to change the code for the pics from right to none. it'll make the page all pretty. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Has anyone bought the season one DVD of this kick-ass show yet? Can't wait to see all the cool screenshots some of you come up with. Hope to see 'em on here soon.

On 10/13/2009, Jax is seen using what appears to be a customized M1911A1 in a shoulder rig. Does anybody know if this has become Jax's new weapon of choice?

*I have the first season so, if you want, I can cap as much as I can when I can as long as someone else takes care of the layout. Additionally, I do not think the .45 is Jax's new standard. Like most of the characters he seems to use whatever is handy and since SAMCRO has access to quite an extensive selection. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]

:: Am working on capping as much as I can of season 1 and 2...if someone wants to organize them just give me a shout --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the custom 1911 we saw Jax carrying in the episode where he searched Weston's house is his new primary sidearm because it was also seen in the latest episode when he tells Clay to put a bullet in the back of his head.- ArmoredMason619

This are just the first caps. More will be forthcoming. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 15:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kick ass screen caps man. I been waiting awhile for someone to put em up for my favorite show. Hope to see more!- ArmoredMason619

Added more caps and, in my own anal retentive tradition, organized the weapons by class and alphabetically. Got a few more on the way. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Real nice job with the page man. It looks good and some good screencaps too.- ArmoredMason619
== Introduction ==

Hey there everyone i was just introduceing myself here im a first time visitor who hopes to become a daily reader!

== Happy's guns ==
Anyone know what kind of guns Happy carries?

In the episode where Devil's Tribe crosses over he pulls two service size Glocks out of his vest.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
==Edits==
I removed the unidentified .357 from this page. I watched the episode over and over and my best cap allowed no clear identification of the weapon other than it may have had ivory grips and also the fact that it is never really seen clearly again but...you can be the judge. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks a little like a Smith and Wesson k/l frame, short barrel revolver. Check it out, and hopefully you can find the right one. Cheers. - Mcain

[[Image:SOA 46.jpg]]

The 1911 in SOA - most always used by Jax Teller in the second season - is in fact, a Springfield Armory 1911. I believe it to be either modified Mil Spec with Novak Sights, beavertail, flared magwell/MSH, etc, OR more likely, a Springfield Professional (judging by the slanted 'CUSTOM' stamp front right). 12:24, 1 December 2009 - MCain

[[Image:http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PC9111.jpg]]

==Jaxs Glock==
Anyone know what happened to Jaxs Glock?

I am going to assume they issued him the .45 to give him something distinctive like Clay's USP or Bobby's S&W the Glock being a little more generic than the .45. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the Finale==

In S02EP13, agent Stahl is seen using a black on black Kahr PM9 (not the CW9)after shooting Edmond Hayes.

You will also see Polly Zobelle running what looks like a Smith and Wesson 3913, in the same scene.

Also look for Cameron Hayes when he holds up Halfsac and Tara with a Sig 226(R) or 220. - Mcain

There were also a lot of Shotguns.

==Jaxs season 3 gun==
If they follow what they did last season they are most likely going to give a new gun. Any predictions? Also do you think they are going to get rid of his 45?

==Moved from front page==
''It could very well be a Springfield but I could not quite make out the markings. Any assist would be much appreciated. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)''

I believe that its a modified Springfield/Colt M1911A1 the reason for this is because it could very likely be Jax's fathers service pistol from when he was in the military during Vietnam.

In a few of the last episodes of season 2 you can clearly seeit is marked Kimber. It looks like it may be a Kimber Royal II 45 ACP ;)

Sorry but in the last few episodes, specifically the episode when Jax goes into Weston's house only to find his children, you can see the markings on the 1911 very clearly. The marking on the back of the slide is that of a Springfield Armory. The marking on the font of the slide, if you're a Springfield fan, you can tell that it says Springfield Custom. Jax uses a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. Springfield uses clear lettering on their pistols whereas Kimber uses custom cursive, kind of italic.

FRom the Looks of it, i think its a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1 Springfeild Custom. I can tell you that its not Jax's Dads Service Pistol form Vietnam because of the sights on the weapon.

it's very clearly a Springfield Armory Professional Model 1911-A1
the address... http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/springfieldarmoryprofessional45.jpg

again as i say its possible that is john tellers service pistol considering springfield suppilied the goverment with 45s during vietnam

To whoever is saying that it could be John Tellers service pistol you are dead wrong. And even more wrong about Springfield supplying firearms to the govt in the VN war. Springfield Armory, Inc. didn't exist in any capacity until 1974. That style of 1911 wasn't popular until at earliest the mid 90s and Professional model 1911s are custom built, you can not send them a gun and have it turned into a professional model.[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Justified

2010-04-09T17:46:41Z

GaBoy45:

So what gun does Raylin use to shoot Boyd in the chest with?
:He did a brass check on it in the motel room. It looked like a Commander model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
==Miami gun==
This screen-cap of the gun Raylin uses at the table in Miami at the start of the episode does NOT look like a SIG Sauer P226. It has large square front end, the possibly after-market spring guide rod is stainless and rather large hex; the grip flares above the hand. Other details are a little hard to distinguish, but I think the ID for this prop gun is still unknown. Ideas?
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3390/snapshot20100318023606.png
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 22:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see double stack bulges either. I'm going to covert that pic to JPEG and put it on the main page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Here is the pic converted. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:::This doesn't look like a real SIG to me; it looks like one of the SIG [["Non Guns"]]:

:::[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer Non Gun]]

:::-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Perfect! Here's an animated image I took off the ep. It clearly shows that it's a non-gun. That's why it looks kind of funny, a little like a Glock, some of the parts don't match, and it's way too simplified. Classic non-gun. Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226. And we have another image to add to the non-gun page.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6461/justifiednongun.gif
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
::EXCELLENT! Yes, that tell tale "poof" of the flame and the smoke lacks the 'blast' of a real blank. It's definitely an ISS non-gun. Just remember to list it on the NON gun page as well as the actor page (along with this page). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:::''Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226.''

:::Nope, if it's a Non Gun, then it should be designated as such, and not as a SIG P226. We are trying to be an accurate as possible. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

==End of first episode==
Seriously? They killed the main antagonist in the first episode, now what?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 06:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

He didn't fucking die dude. Raylen just wounded him instead of killing him instantly. He'll be back.-ArmoredMason619

He was alive when they put him in the ambulance and he is on the next episode.-Spades of Columbia

But he took a .45 slug and a load of buckshot to the chest! I bet next episode he's going to be perfectly fine (stupid television)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

She missed, no buckshot to the chest. The have already shown he's in the hurt box but alive. FX tends to be on the level with violence.

He wasn't perfectly fine the next episode. He was in a hospital bed with little movement possible and a button where he can control pain meds. He isn't fine. And just because he was shot with a .45 in the chest doesn't mean much if Raylan didn't hit his heart or lungs. But it did knock the guy down and out of the fight. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

==Glock==
I believe that Raylen is carrying a glock 22 and a glock 27 in the second episode. He even makes a reference to The Fugative as he is a US Marshal. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I have yet to get a good enough look at what Type/style/Brand of holster Raylin draws from. Can anyone identify the holster or at least get a good picture of it? -Spades of Columbia

Young Guns

2010-04-08T19:03:39Z

GaBoy45:

[[Image:YoungGunsCover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Young Guns (1988)'']]
[[Young Guns]] is a semi-historical 1988 Western starring [[Emilio Estevez]] as William H. Bonney aka "Billy the Kid", who was taken in under the wing of the rancher, John Tunstall ([[Terence Stamp]]), along with other 'wayward' young men. During the Lincoln County Wars of 1878, several groups warred over diminishing land for their cattle herds. When Tunstall is killed after being ambushed, Billy the Kid organizes a group who called themselves 'the Regulators' to avenge the death of their benefactor. Despite being officially 'deputized' at the time, Billy does not arrest the suspected killers (men allied with Rancher Laurence Murphy), Billy just killed them, resulting in him and his 'gang' becoming the hunted fugitives. This film and its sequel did a very interesting job of hypothesizing what happened in the short life of Billy the Kid and offered its own explanations of why real historical characters did what they did (and how they did it).

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[Young Guns]]'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Colt Lightning 1877==
William H. "Billy the Kid" Bonney ([[Emilio Estevez]]) starts carrying a [[Colt Lightning|Colt Lightning 1877]] revolver with a 7 1/2" barrel towards the start of the film, and uses it along with a [[Single Action Army]] in some scenes. After killing Sheriff Brady ([[Danny Kamin]]), Billy takes his 5 1/2" Lightning and thus wields two Colt Lightning revolvers by the end of the film. The real Billy the Kid carried a [[Colt Thunderer 1877]] revolver in .41 Long Colt, but this is an uncommon blank round so Uberti replicas of Lightnings in .38 Special were used for simplicity.
[[Image:ColtLightning.jpg|thumb|none|400px| 1877 Colt Lightning in .38 Long Colt with 5.5" bbl.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy the Kid with his Colt Lightning drawn.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy holds his Colt Lightning on McCloskey ([[Geoffrey Blake]]) when he suspects him of being a traitor.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy kills Sheriff Brady with his own Colt Lightning.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A side shot of the Colt Lightning.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy jumps up and shoots one of the men outside the house between the eyes.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A side shot of Billy's Lightning.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After hiding in a trunk thrown out the front window, Billy break open and fires his Lightnings, all while the scene plays in super cool '80s slo-mo.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy comes back to finish things.]]
[[Image:YGColtLightning-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy puts a bullet between the bad guy's eyes.]]

==Single Action Army==
All of the Regulators carry at least one [[Single Action Army]] as their sidearm. Billy the Kid ([[Emilio Estevez]]) is also seen using one for the start of the film.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army 7 1/2" Cavalry - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:ColtSAA475barrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army 4 3/4" Quick Draw - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two posse members searching for Billy the Kid are armed with Cavalry Single Action Armies.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy points a Quick Draw SAA at John Tunstall ([[Terence Stamp]]) when he offers him to join the Regulators.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy prepares to shoot a pig that knocked him over with his SAA but is stopped when "Jose" Chavez y Chavez ([[Lou Diamond Phillips]]) throws several knives at him.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy spends pretty much the entire beginning of the film pointing his SAA at people because he doesn't trust them.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy and "Doc" Scurlock ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) fires their SAAs in the air during the party.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy shoots McCloskey ([[Geoffrey Blake]]) in the head with his SAA.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Apparently this isn't enough so he shoots him again in the chest and ''then'' he falls down dead.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Dick" Brewer ([[Charlie Sheen]]) points his SAA at Billy after he kills McCloskey.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy files down the front sight on his SAA so he can have 1/8ths of an advantage on Sheriff Brady. Billy the Kid was not educated yet somehow he knows fractions. Odd.]] Not really, Billy is able to read a newspaper article clearly and succintly when told to. Someone who can read that well is well educated for the time and would know simple fractions.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:YGSAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A braggadocios gun fighter claims his ornate Cavalry SAA is going to kill Billy the Kid, unaware he's talking to him.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy unloads three rounds from his SAA and hands it back to him, then tells him he's The Kid. The gunfighter's gun clicks empty three times before Billy kills him.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc with his nickel SAA.]]
[[Image:YGSAA-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Charley Bowdre ([[Casey Siemaszko]]) fires his SAA as he is mowed down by the US Army.]]

==Colt New Service==
During the opening credits (shot in original 19th century style film), one of the Regulators is seen firing two [[Colt New Service]] revolvers, even though these are highly anachronistic to the era.
[[Image:ColtNewService1917.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt New Service M1917 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:YGColtNewService-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:YGColtNewService-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine==
Josiah Gordon "Doc" Scurlock ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]), the obvious sharpshooter of the Regulators, uses a [[Sharps Rifle#Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine|Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine]] as his long arm in the film.
[[Image:Sharps1874cavalarycarbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine - .45-70.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc points his Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine at Billy the Kid when they first meet him hiding in a cow pen.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc points his Sharps Carbine at Sheriff Brady's men.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug runs out of the bar armed with a Sharps Carbine.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc by the creek with his Sharps.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc fires his Sharps at the last man by the creek.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc tries to fire his Sharps at the bounty hunter hired by Sheriff Brady but is wounded before he can shoot.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc with his Sharps while holed up in the house at the end of the film.]]

==10 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Dirty Steve Stephens ([[Dermot Mulroney]]) carries a shortened '''10 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun''' as his long arm in the film.
[[Image:meteor.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Belgian made 10 gauge Meteor used by [[Val Kilmer]] in the film ''[[Tombstone]]''. From the personal collection of the film's armorer Peter Sherayko.]]
[[Image:YGSharpsCarbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dirty Steve points his shotgun at Sheriff Brady's men.]]
[[Image:YGShotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dirty Steve holds his shotgun on the men by the creek.]]
[[Image:YGShotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While under the influence of Chavez y Chavez's Peyote pellets, Steve manages to fire off three shots from a two shot shotgun without reloading.(Though it may have just been the Peyote)]]
[[Image:YGShotgun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dirty Steve fires his shotgun at Bradey's bounty hunter.]]
[[Image:YGShotgun-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steve fires his shotgun while holed up in the house.]]

==Winchester 1873==
Several characters in the film are seen using [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] saddle ring carbines. Of the Regulators who use the gun, "Dick" Brewer ([[Charlie Sheen]]), Billy the Kid ([[Emilio Estevez]]), and "Charley" Bowdrey ([[Casey Siemaszko]]) are of notable mention.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1873 - .44-40 WCF.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Bradey's men with a Winchester 1873.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the thugs outside the bar fires his Winchester 1873 at the regulators.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dick aims his Winchester '73.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Native American with a well-worn and tribally decorated '73 rifle.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bradey's bounty hunter kills Dick, who overacts his death a lot.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Bradey reaches for his Winchester before being killed by Billy the Kid.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy the Kid poses with his Winchester rifle for his famous photograph. The actual photograph is shown for comparison, showing Hollywood's often inaccurate portrayal of the 1870-1890 Western "Cowboy" and his clothing and style compared to the real Wild West. This was one of the top topics discussed between analysts in the late 1980's when the original photo was enhanced, manipulated i.e. color or shade alteration to increase clarity or visibility and then studied intensely by top experts from the relevant professions; all types of film experts, computer experts, Wild West historians, etc. The theory that Billy was left handed was disproved when the same panel of experts proved that the famous photo of Billy the Kid was a reverse ferrotype and therefore was flipped-so the movie is right on that).]]
Historians have pointed out that the actual photograph is inconsistent with reality, the loading breech on the rifle is on the wrong side, indicating the "real" picture is a flip copy of the actual photo. this also disproves the left handedness of Billy the Kid as his primary revolver would be on his right hip if the photo was flipped true to put the loading gate back on the right of the rifle. So the fake picture in the movie is actually consistent with history.
[[Image:YGWin73-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy with a Winchester rifle while holed up in the house.]]
[[Image:YGWin73-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Charley unloads both his Winchester rifles on the US Army.]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"==
[[Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"]] rifles are also common in the film. Billy the Kid ([[Emilio Estevez]]) and "Jose" Chavez y Chavez ([[Lou Diamond Phillips]]) are notably seen using them.
[[Image:Winchester66.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" - .44 Rimfire.]]
[[Image:YGWin66-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy the Kid holds a Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" while being sworn in as a deputy.]]
[[Image:YGWin66-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug in the bar fires a Yellow Boy at the Regulators.]]
[[Image:YGWin66-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy the Kid fires a Yellow Boy. Note saddle ring.]]
[[Image:YGWin66-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chavez y Chavez with a Yellow Boy while holed up in the house.]]
[[Image:YGWin66-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug in the town with a Yellow Boy.]]

==Colt Gatling Gun==
The US Army uses a [[Gatling Gun|Colt Gatling Gun]] to kill Alex McSween ([[Terry O'Quinn]]), wasting roughly thirty rounds on one man!
[[Image:Gatling gun 1865.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1865 Gatling Gun - .44 Rimfire.]]
[[Image:YGGatlingGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Army men fire their Gatling Gun at McSween.]]
[[Image:YGGatlingGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McSween has his over dramatic death.]]
[[Image:YGGatlingGun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Gatling stops firing.]]

==Smith & Wesson No. 3==
While shooting in the town, Dirty Steve Stephens ([[Dermot Mulroney]]) fires a [[Smith & Wesson Number 3]] akimbo with his [[Single Action Army]]. Charley Bowdre is the one firing the S&W Number 3. Dirty Steve is the one with a Colt SAA and sawed-off shotgun.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:YGS&W3rdmodel-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dirty Steve fires his Smith & Wesson 3rd Model and Single Action Army while the scene plays in slow motion.]]

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Talk:The Replacement Killers

2010-03-16T16:27:58Z

GaBoy45:

==the MP5K - A3 switch==

he reaches for a fresh magazine, not an A3.

:I have this movie on Blu Ray, and I can definitely tell you that Til Schweiger's character reaches for the MP5A3. You can clearly see that he has it hanging from a sling beneath his trench coat and pulls it out. The movie doesn't show him discarding the MP5K, but he definitely seems to have ditched it and gone to the MP5A3, instead of reloading the other weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

==MP5K briefcase==
Someone please point me to an outside source which claims that the briefcase version must be fired horizontally. Thanks so much. I haven't heard that before and have fired the device myself vertically. I thought that shooting it horizontally would ensure a stovepipe. MPM2008

:That's what HKPRO says: ''Difficult to fire accurately, the briefcase can easily put bullet holes into the calf of the firer, should he decide to fire the K on full auto while holding the case normally. Can you picture it?'' (http://hkpro.com/mp5k.htm) I have no idea how true it is, as I've never seen nor handled the briefcase MP5K. However, I can imagine that if you fire it vertically and you're letting it loosely dangle at your side (the way Til Schweiger is doing in the movie), the recoil would make it difficult to control and you could, maybe, shoot your own legs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:: Interesting. I've only fired it with blanks. And I held it with two hands, right hand on top, left hand holding the bottom of the case and it was fine. I think that risk only happens if you hold it buy the carry handle and let it 'dangle', certainly the 'push back' of the constant fire would push the briefcase backwards. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Widescreen==
I fixed the images, one less page with widescreen bars. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Browning HP ==

''"You can see that '''it is a P35''' from the brown grips, the Mark III has black ones and you can tell that '''it is not the original one''' since its hammer is the same as the Mark III's"''

What does that mean? The P35 is the original one, the first model. I know they started making those spur hammers after the war, but I'm not sure exactly when. It could be a Mark II.
:Yeah, what does that mean? The early ones more commonly called the P35 had the internal extractor, you can buy new Hi-Powers that are basically the same as the Mark III models but blued and wood grips. The spur hammers have been around forever. The P35 is just another name for the Hi-Power. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== IMI Desert Eagle Mark VII ==

How do we know it is the .357 variant?
:Maybe the number of rounds fired before reloading or maybe the muzzle diameter? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

::Muzzle diameter, in this case. Also, the .357 Desert Eagles were by far the most common ones seen in American action movies in the 1990s, so when in doubt, it's always a safe bet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

==DVD vs. Blu Ray==

I just picked up this movie on Blu Ray. I haven't finished watching it yet (or screencapping), but I thought I'd post this image to illustrate the quality difference. Compare the two images (focus especially on how detailed the bad guy's SIG P226 appears in the top image versus the bottom image when you expand to full-size):

[[Image:TRK-DVDvsBluRay-comparison.jpg|thumb|none|800px|]]

Looks pretty good, eh? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:Blu Ray time starts now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

==Ethnic Groups==

If this movie is about Triads, how come half the members aren't even Asian? This is very very unrealistic! (Mind you I am Asian myself.)

This is about Triad groups in America, not Asia. So some of the people will inevitably not be Asian. Now for my personal observation of the use of the word "Asian" to describe only Japanese/Chinese people. The countires of Asia are: Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Brunei, Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, China, Georgia, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, North Korea, South Korea, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, and Yemen. So what kind of "Asian" are you exactly?--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 20:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I am Chinese, and does this mean that white people can join the "Chinese" Triads?

::Hollywood always 'mixes' up the races. I can't tell you how many 'White Christian Militia groups' in TV shows happen to have Black, Asian and Hispanic members as well ... Doh! ;) I also laugh when I see an ethnically DIVERSE street gang. I think they are specifically trying not to tar any one group as being 'the bad guys'. Of course this is not done when dealing with specific villains, like the African soldiers in 'Tears of the Sun', etc. Also SPikemonkey, you're being a little pedantic in your 'dictionary' version of Asian. No one that I know from Georigia, or UAE or Yemen call themselves 'asians'. That term stems from the word 'Oriental' which in the old days meant any country east of Constantinople. Racially and ethnically it's a historical bastardization of people's bloodlines (and has never really been corrected in the text books, which sucks). I mean, seriously. An Iranian is racially NOTHING like a Korean, etc. Those definitions were coined back in the day of 'OLD EUROPE' and reflects their cultural and racial ignorance. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::: I know, I know. Just for some reason it's always rubbed me the wrong way. I just wish people would learn the differences between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. as opposed to grouping them all as "Asian". I mean, even the person above, who is Chinese, said Asian. And, I agree with you about how most "Asians" would never call themselves as such. My Russian friend Val certainly doesn't. And don't even get me started on "Oriental." :) But, for the record, you sound like a smart cookie, MPM2008. I'm glad you are on here.--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 18:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the non-Asian people are nothing but hired guns? As for the other members, such as the guy in the garage or the second hand man, maybe it was just a necessity for them to be more diverse? Anyway the gunmen could easily be freelancers he hired to go after Chow Yun Fat's character. Makes sense instead of using your on men on a very well trained killer?[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 01:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

::''Maybe the non-Asian people are nothing but hired guns?''

::Which doesn't explain why Mr. Wei's right-hand man is played by German [[Jürgen Prochnow]] (who is apparently supposed to be an American in this movie). I think MPM's explanation is best - Hollywood just loves to insert diversity even into groups of people where it makes no sense, and this movie is a good example. Also note that the street gang in the movie (the one at the dice game, when John and Meg steal Loco's truck and all of its guns) is similarly diverse - it has black, white and Latino members, plus an "Asian" girl (I apologize in advance for using that word).

::I've always wondered who makes the decision to do this kinda stuff - I'm guessing that it's usually decided by the casting director (since, if you read movie screenplays, they never seem to make any references to ethnic diversity when describing a particular gang or other group). But it's stupid and goes against common sense. Everyone with common sense knows that a street gang in South-Central Los Angeles is going to be 100% black or Latino, just as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist group would be 100% white and an Islamic fundamentalist group would be 100% Arab. There's no sense in trying to insult our intelligence. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

His right hand man could easily be explained by looking at Chinese culture. He could have saved Wei's life at some point and by doing so would have gained Wei's trust and become indebted to him. As for your examples, they are stereotypical views. One only has to look at the American jihadists captured or the underwear bomber to see that Islamic fundamentalist groups are not always 100% Arab. Look at groups in Africa, not Arabs at all, who are Islamic fundamentalist group. As for Christian fundamentalist groups would not be 100% white, they would welcome anyone as long as they were Christian. You speak like all Christian fundamentalist groups are rascist. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Replacement Killers

2010-03-13T01:31:27Z

GaBoy45:

the MP5K - A3 switch

he reaches for a fresh magazine, not an A3.

==MP5K briefcase==
Someone please point me to an outside source which claims that the briefcase version must be fired horizontally. Thanks so much. I haven't heard that before and have fired the device myself vertically. I thought that shooting it horizontally would ensure a stovepipe. MPM2008

:That's what HKPRO says: ''Difficult to fire accurately, the briefcase can easily put bullet holes into the calf of the firer, should he decide to fire the K on full auto while holding the case normally. Can you picture it?'' (http://hkpro.com/mp5k.htm) I have no idea how true it is, as I've never seen nor handled the briefcase MP5K. However, I can imagine that if you fire it vertically and you're letting it loosely dangle at your side (the way Til Schweiger is doing in the movie), the recoil would make it difficult to control and you could, maybe, shoot your own legs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:: Interesting. I've only fired it with blanks. And I held it with two hands, right hand on top, left hand holding the bottom of the case and it was fine. I think that risk only happens if you hold it buy the carry handle and let it 'dangle', certainly the 'push back' of the constant fire would push the briefcase backwards. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Widescreen==
I fixed the images, one less page with widescreen bars. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Browning HP ==

''"You can see that '''it is a P35''' from the brown grips, the Mark III has black ones and you can tell that '''it is not the original one''' since its hammer is the same as the Mark III's"''

What does that mean? The P35 is the original one, the first model. I know they started making those spur hammers after the war, but I'm not sure exactly when. It could be a Mark II.
:Yeah, what does that mean? The early ones more commonly called the P35 had the internal extractor, you can buy new Hi-Powers that are basically the same as the Mark III models but blued and wood grips. The spur hammers have been around forever. The P35 is just another name for the Hi-Power. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== IMI Desert Eagle Mark VII ==

How do we know it is the .357 variant?
:Maybe the number of rounds fired before reloading or maybe the muzzle diameter? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

::Muzzle diameter, in this case. Also, the .357 Desert Eagles were by far the most common ones seen in American action movies in the 1990s, so when in doubt, it's always a safe bet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

==DVD vs. Blu Ray==

I just picked up this movie on Blu Ray. I haven't finished watching it yet (or screencapping), but I thought I'd post this image to illustrate the quality difference. Compare the two images (focus especially on how detailed the bad guy's SIG P226 appears in the top image versus the bottom image when you expand to full-size):

[[Image:TRK-DVDvsBluRay-comparison.jpg|thumb|none|800px|]]

Looks pretty good, eh? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

:Blu Ray time starts now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

==Ethnic Groups==

If this movie is about Triads, how come half the members aren't even Asian? This is very very unrealistic! (Mind you I am Asian myself.)

This is about Triad groups in America, not Asia. So some of the people will inevitably not be Asian. Now for my personal observation of the use of the word "Asian" to describe only Japanese/Chinese people. The countires of Asia are: Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Brunei, Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, China, Georgia, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, North Korea, South Korea, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, and Yemen. So what kind of "Asian" are you exactly?--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 20:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I am Chinese, and does this mean that white people can join the "Chinese" Triads?

::Hollywood always 'mixes' up the races. I can't tell you how many 'White Christian Militia groups' in TV shows happen to have Black, Asian and Hispanic members as well ... Doh! ;) I also laugh when I see an ethnically DIVERSE street gang. I think they are specifically trying not to tar any one group as being 'the bad guys'. Of course this is not done when dealing with specific villains, like the African soldiers in 'Tears of the Sun', etc. Also SPikemonkey, you're being a little pedantic in your 'dictionary' version of Asian. No one that I know from Georigia, or UAE or Yemen call themselves 'asians'. That term stems from the word 'Oriental' which in the old days meant any country east of Constantinople. Racially and ethnically it's a historical bastardization of people's bloodlines (and has never really been corrected in the text books, which sucks). I mean, seriously. An Iranian is racially NOTHING like a Korean, etc. Those definitions were coined back in the day of 'OLD EUROPE' and reflects their cultural and racial ignorance. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::: I know, I know. Just for some reason it's always rubbed me the wrong way. I just wish people would learn the differences between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. as opposed to grouping them all as "Asian". I mean, even the person above, who is Chinese, said Asian. And, I agree with you about how most "Asians" would never call themselves as such. My Russian friend Val certainly doesn't. And don't even get me started on "Oriental." :) But, for the record, you sound like a smart cookie, MPM2008. I'm glad you are on here.--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 18:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the non-Asian people are nothing but hired guns? As for the other members, such as the guy in the garage or the second hand man, maybe it was just a necessity for them to be more diverse? Anyway the gunmen could easily be freelancers he hired to go after Chow Yun Fat's character. Makes sense instead of using your on men on a very well trained killer?[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 01:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Man on Fire (2004)

2010-02-14T23:45:03Z

GaBoy45:

Sons of Anarchy

2009-09-23T02:47:50Z

GaBoy45:

[[Image:Sons of Anarchy PosterA.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Sons of Anarchy (2008-????) Television series on FX Network]]
[[Category:Television]]

'''The following guns were used on the show [[Sons of Anarchy]]''':

==M4A1 Carbine==
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
The plot of the first episode revolves around a cache of [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] stolen from the Sons by the Mayans (a rival biker gang). Clay ([[Ron Perlman]]) uses one at the end of the episode after taking it back from the Mayans.

==Glock 17==
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|200px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
This is also involved in the plot of the first episode, as the Mayans also stole [[Glock 17]]s from their warehouse (Note: Both the M4s and the Glocks were destined for the "Niners", a gang that also makes appearances in "The Shield"). Several of the bikers, including Jax ([[Charlie Hunnam]]) also use them at the end of the episode when they steal the guns back from the Mayans. Jax also shown to carry it in several other episodes. It's also seen in the opening credits of every credits.

==Heckler & Koch USP Expert==
[[Image:Usp large expert.jpg|thumb|none|300px|H&K USP expert]]
Clay ([[Ron Perlman]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP Expert]] (recognizable by its slightly longer barrel and slide) during the confrontation at the end of the first episode. It seems that it is his weapon of choice and carries it from then on.

==Unknown short-barrel .357 revolver==
This revolver (with some NICE grips) is given by Ron Perlman as a gift to the Nords (after Jax beat up one of their members for dealing drugs to his pregnant ex-wife.) It is a .357, as can be heard from Clay (Ron Perlman) in the conversation.

==Sig P226==
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone03.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Two-tone SIG-Sauer P226 9mm.]]
Agent Kohn carryed a [[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226R]] and made a big mistake by placing it on a beddtable when he tries to have his way with Tara. She then grabs it and puts one in his ribs before Jax shows up and finishes him with it.

==Custom Colt 1911==
[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt Combat Commander - .45 ACP.]]
Shown being retrieved by Darby when Mexicans storm his house. Has cool pearl grips of some sort.

==Kahr PM9==
[[Image:KahrCW9.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Kahr CW9 9mm - Matte Stainless slide - Polymer Frame - 3.6" barrel]]
A [[Kahr K9]] seen in Cam's hand when he is laying on the ground after being shot in the ass by the Mayan assassins.Gemma also gave one to Tara with no serial numbers. - It looks like a Colt Pocket Light. Gemma pulls a Kahr of some kind out of her purse in the first episode of season 2.

==Colt ACE .22==
Held by junkie mechanic (lowell) when he is in his apartment after losing it and relapsing. Clay then takes it from him and almost kills him with it. - I reviewed the episode and the pistol looks a lot like a Llama. It looked like there was a rib above the slide.

==HK MP5A3==
[[Image:HKmp5A3.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight and safe-semi-two round burst trigger group]]

Several [[H&K MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|H&K MP5A3]]s are used by ATF agents in raid of clubhouse. It is also shown in the opening credits in every episode.

==S&W M60==
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 .357 magnum]]
Jax can be seen taking a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] from a drawer in his ex-girlfriend's (actually his) house (conveniently located next to some baggies of methamphetamine). He is seen strapping this into an ankle holster before the raid on the Mayans' warehouse. Another one is used by Pineys Vietnam buddy when he breaks out his kid and his guys kill 3 people with ak-47s bought from SAMCRO on "AK-51"

==Beretta 3032 Tomcat==
[[Image:Beretta3032Tomcat.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Beretta 3032 Tomcat - .32 ACP ]]
Tara is shown to own and carry a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]]. She started carring it in Chicago.

==AKM==
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ng machinegun AK47 allwood.jpg|thumb|right|500px|AK Non Gun]]
Chibs (Tommy Flanagan) and his IRA contact bring disassembled AKMs packed in oil drums to the Garage in the beginning of the third episode.
They were also seen in many other episodes including AK 51 where 5 were sold to a militia and used in a prison break.
''* the majority of the AKs seen throughout the series are "non-guns" as evidenced by the over sized attachment to the barrel which is not a dissipator like that on the "Krinkov" series of AKs''

==MAC-10==
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Ingram MAC 10 open bolt submachine gun - .45 ACP]]‎
A burned [[MAC-10]] can be seen among the remains of the arms warehouse when Hale arrives. Tig also uses one when he mistakenly kills Opie's wife, Donna, instead of Opie.

==Ruger AC556==
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Blued Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle (Pre-2005) with 30 round magazine - 5.56mm]]
A [[Ruger AC556]] with a short barrel can be seen being loaded by Clay at the Clubhouse in "Hell Followed". It is also seen in the opening credits in each episode.

==Smith and Wesson M5946==
[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Smith & Wesson 5946 9mm]]
Most commonly seen being used by Bobby
==Jericho 941==
[[Image:Jerich941-Two-Tone01.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Jericho 941 (two tone early model) - 9x19mm]]
In one episode a mayan is seen using one.

In the episode Seeds a Jericho is planted on the white guy in the frame up.

==Beretta M92==
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
Seen being loaded by Halfsack in one episode when Cam is shot and Clay is almost assassinated

==MP5-K==
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Heckler & Koch MP5K - version with SEF Plastic Trigger Pack - 9mm. This is a very well worn Motion picture weapon]]
In the episode where the Mayans attack the Devils club, one of them is seen firing this weapon at the Sons from his hip on a motorcycle.

==TEC-9==

In the first episode of Season Two four of the Sons can be seen testing these weapons, among others, as part of a new arms deal with members of the IRA.