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Talk:Resident Evil 3 (2020 VG)

2020-03-22T08:21:08Z

Death Shadow20: /* Street date broken */

== Title note ==
So far, Capcom's marketing has only referred to this remake as "Resident Evil 3" without the "Nemesis" subtitle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:54, 11 December 2019 (EST)

==Glock==

Jill's Glock looks more like the full size than the 19.

She's holding it in the statue that comes with the collector's edition of the game[https://www.windowscentral.com/resident-evil-3-collectors-edition-goes-preorder-gamestop]. I'm pretty sure it's a 19. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:44, 12 December 2019 (EST)

Here's a higher-res image of Jill's character model[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/residentevil/images/4/42/Jill_Full_R3make.png/revision/latest?cb=20191210163135]. Definitely a 19, though I was wrong on which generation. But I see that's been corrected already. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:54, 12 December 2019 (EST)

I am so glad they are again using real weapons like the original unlike RE6. Though why replace Jill's iconic Samurai Edge is beyond me. They kept Leon's gun the same in the remake and the Hi Power. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:52, 12 December 2019 (EST)

:Could be because Jill is on suspension and had to turn in her samurai edge and the glock is her personal weapon.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] ([[User talk:Kornflakes89|talk]]) 16:43, 14 January 2020 (EST)

:The Samurai Edge has become something of an "Excalibur" (lol) to RE fans. It wouldn't surprise me if one or more versions of it are DLC weapons like they were in RE2. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:25, 13 December 2019 (EST)
::I've always wanted an 92 ever since Die Hard [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:46, 13 December 2019 (EST)

Also, how much you wanna bet they kept the factory sights on it even though no real shooter would ever keep them on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:52, 12 December 2019 (EST)

:Keep in mind that stringent gun control keeps most Japanese from ever becoming "real shooters." [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:25, 13 December 2019 (EST)
::You'd be surprised how knowledgeable some gun geeks are in Japan. The Airsoft community there is pretty hardcore [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:45, 13 December 2019 (EST)

I was watching someone's reaction to the new gameplay trailer and I noticed something weird at 2:31 in the video. I think Jill's Glock had a suppressor on it as she ran from Nemesis. You can see it at the above timestamp as she rounds a corner. At first, I thought it was the shotgun barrel but I paused and played that section over and over (I'm on my mobile at work.) and I swear it's a suppressor. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 20:48, 27 February 2020 (EST)

:I saw it as well, but it goes by so fast and the background is so dark that I can't get a decent shot of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:57, 27 February 2020 (EST)

I just saw parts of the demo and it looks like the base Glock is the correct 15 rounds. Unlike Leon's VP70 that started out with a stupid 12 rounds. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:07, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

I am laughing at the C-More red dot sight you can add to your Glock and period correct. It's not being attached through some invisible rail. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:25, 19 March 2020 (EDT)
:How exactly is the pistol supposed to cycle correctly with the red dot mounted directly above the ejection port? That looks like a mod that I'm going to leave off regardless of the benefits. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 16:59, 21 March 2020 (EDT)
::It should eject fine. When the slide goes back, the brass will be ejected behind the mount [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:13, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

:Yeah, I honestly don't like the look of it with the red dot on either. I'll probably leave it off, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:00, 21 March 2020 (EDT)
:;Aesthetically, it does look weird, but it has a game function of giving you a red dot that doesn't get larger when you shoot, so you're aim is always true. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:09, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

==M933 possible in 1998==

I mean, one could assemble one considering you just add a shorter barrel to an M4's flat top. The poster actually shows the rifle with what looks like an Aimpoint [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:59, 11 December 2019 (EST)

Since this is still a remake and taking place in the late 90s, quad rails were not a thing yet, so it's hard to imagine them having it on an M4 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:07, 12 December 2019 (EST)

According to an M4 carbine progression timeline chart I found on PEO Soldier or something years back, KAC first introduced the original RIS (later replaced mostly by the improved RAS) handguard in 97. I don't recall exactly when the M933 was introduced as a factory setup, but 11.5" barrels had been around since the 60s and flat top uppers were nothing new when the original game was made in 98. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:39, 12 December 2019 (EST)

This is practically the same when i was wondering that about the 3rd Gen Glock 17 when editing the RE Outbreak page, as far as i know, they were still yet to be produced, the SIGPROSP2009 was definetily anachronistic for the time period the game is set in (1998) versus the year it was made in (1999) i think. Still, i really like how Carlos' Colt is set up, notice how he has a rear sight in conjunction with his Comp M2, most games when mounting an optic either the rear sight is down or is completely removed so props to that, when the optic is damaged and goes off, you still have a reference point of aim.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 10:41, 12 December 2019 (EST)

:Special Forces guys were the first ones to do that. They basically took the carrying handle that's removable from their M4s, hack saw the handle part and leave the rear sight so they can cowitness a rear sight with their red dots [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:16, 5 January 2020 (EST)

Jill having a 2nd Gen Glock or a 3rd gen would both make sense since 3rd gens were introduced in 1998. Since the game firmly takes place in 1998 like the original. We can surmise since Umbrella is the mega corporation that the 90s warned us about, it would be safe to assume they'd armed their private army with the most advanced gear they can get. Though oddly in the poster and in the original, the rifles used by the Umbrella troops had red dots on them. The one screen shot we have of the rifle placed down doesn't look like it has one on it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:48, 12 December 2019 (EST)

:Considering Jill is loading a flush fit mag in her Glock in one shot and has an extended mag in it in another, it's safe to assume RE2's weapon mod system carries over and the red dot sight is a mod that can be found somewhere in the game world. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:16, 13 December 2019 (EST)

:In fact, I'd bet my last dollar she'll find parts to mod it into a full auto like the G18. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:28, 13 December 2019 (EST)

I'm really hoping for an easy mode like in the original where you start off with all the best weapons to just have fun with the game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:48, 12 December 2019 (EST)

== Benelli M3 with M4 stock ==

There's a screenshot of the game rolling around with an M3 that I can only assume was modeled after the M3 made by airsoft company CYMA.
[https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/RE3_Jill_vs_Zombies.jpg [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>]

:Appreciate that, thank you. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:59, 13 December 2019 (EST)

Wanna bet they will only use the pump action feature and not the semi auto feature? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:29, 15 January 2020 (EST)

== Possible 870 ==

So, I was watching the new trailer yesterday and I noticed Jill using what appeared to be a Remington 870 or it could be possibly be the Benelli with wood furniture. You can see it in the trailer at :48 seconds in. I tried to take a screenshot but I'm having trouble uploading it but I managed to find this instead. [https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/RE3_Jill_ShotGun.jpg [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>]

:I already have the 870 listed on the page, but thanks for bringing that shot of Jill with it to my attention. I'll try to upload it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:19, 16 January 2020 (EST)

::I'm assuming, since it has the same rear sight the M3 does, and the 870 doesn't have any rear sight in particular, that it's an M3 with a wooden stock. [[User:Jimona|Jimona]] ([[User talk:Jimona|talk]]) 13:10, 16 January 2020 (EST)

:::It's unusual, but not completely unheard of.
[[Image:Model870P 14inlg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun" with a Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight - 12 gauge]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:05, 16 January 2020 (EST)

::::It is worth noting that, to my surprise, I did not find any wooden furniture for M3. Moreover, the current one looks just like a plastic one, painted as a wood - pay attention to the belt mount on the buttstock. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:01, 20 March 2020 (EDT)

:::::You mean sling mount? It may be incorrect, but the default stock is clearly textured as if it were made of wood as you can see wood grain on it. But I've pointed out the goof nonetheless. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:05, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

Totally called it that they are only using the pump feature of the M3 but MAYBE when you upgrade it, it will be semi auto. Here's hoping [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:08, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

== Nemmy's rocket launcher ==
A Nintendo Super Scope? That's hilarious. I guess the ''Duck Hunt'' jokes were more suitable than I thought. Any opposition to uploading a reference image for it? IIRC, we've done it before for Nerf guns used as the basis for a prop weapon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:36, 16 January 2020 (EST)

== Federal ammunition? ==

Played through the demo and noticed a familiar sight on the assault rifle ammo. Possibly a temporary texture? I wonder...
[https://i.imgur.com/xkdmpZ5.jpg 1] [[User:Jimona|Jimona]] ([[User talk:Jimona|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2020 (EST)

Kinda weird they let you pick up assault rifle ammo but not use the assault rifle in the demo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:56, 19 March 2020 (EDT)

You can, you just have to die and you get an option to switch to assist mode. You start with 4 extra item slots and an assault rifle with spare ammo. However, you ''can'' create magnum ammo, which is labeled as ".44 AE." [[User:Jimona|Jimona]] ([[User talk:Jimona|talk]]) 22:18, 19 March 2020 (EST)
:I didn't know that...because I didn't suck...but playing it on console, aiming for the head is a challenge. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:06, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

I'll have to boot up the demo and get some pics of the 933, then. How many times do you need to die? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:21, 20 March 2020 (EDT)

Just one. There's a button on the bottom right that should give you the ability to change the difficulty.

==Easy mode returns ==

Some people wanna call me a pussy about it, but I had fun playing the original in the assist mode which starts you off with the best weapons because RE3 is more of an action game vs RE2 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:55, 19 March 2020 (EDT)

There's no shame in playing easy modes instead of the super meta play in my book. That being said, it annoys me the AR has a lower rate of fire compared to the real thing. But still fun to play with nonetheless.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 07:55, 20 March 2020 (EDT)

It's confirmed that Easy Mode returns? I won't bust anyone's balls for playing Easy Mode. It's a good way of "training" oneself for the normal difficulty. I just wonder if the remake will have similar perks for playing on the normal difficulty, like the original did with the extra weapons and enhanced ammo. And I also hope I can still get the game when it releases, since a mandatory state-wide "stay at home" order went into effect at midnight with all non-essential businesses closing down. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:20, 20 March 2020 (EDT)

*Someone data-mined the demo, a lot of the stuff that wasn't in the demo was scrubbed but there was some stuff left in, according to it, there's four difficulties, assisted, standard, hard and an unlockable super hard mode. Playing on assisted starts you with the Colt 933. As far as extra weapons, I haven't read anything about that but I'm pretty sure that one article I read said that Nemesis will drop special ammo when you down him. But yeah, hope you can get the game when it releases.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] ([[User talk:Kornflakes89|talk]]) 02:02, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

:GameStop is currently remaining open and considers themselves to be an "essential" retailer (no desire to debate over that, just repeating what their HQ stated). Only thing I have to worry about now is whether Capcom decides to delay its release due to the virus like Naughty Dog did with TLoU Part II. Of course, I ''have'' been told that developers ship their games out to retailers two weeks in advance of release (which would be today for RE3), but whether that's true or not, IDK. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:51, 21 March 2020 (EDT)

== Street date broken ==

An outlet in France broke street date due to everyone being trapped at home.

https://i.postimg.cc/rw6g7qRT/sss.png

My crude google translate:

"For the weapons we have the knife, the flash and normal grenades, the shotgun which we improve, the glock 19, a glock 18 which fires bursts of 2-3 bullets, the grenade launcher (which is used for the passage of launches mines too), and the magnum."[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

They cut out the S&W 629? Kiss my @$$, Capcom, why? It's not like Desert Eagles haven't been used in 5,000,000 other games already. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:50, 21 March 2020 (EDT)
The developers must like 90's Hollywood style movies, i guess.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 04:21, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Resident Evil 3 (2020 VG)

2020-03-20T11:55:42Z

Death Shadow20: /* Easy mode returns */

Talk:Resident Evil 3 (2020 VG)

2019-12-12T15:42:29Z

Death Shadow20: /* M933 possible in 1998 */

Talk:Resident Evil 3 (2020 VG)

2019-12-12T15:41:59Z

Death Shadow20: /* M933 possible in 1998 */

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

2019-10-24T20:38:01Z

Death Shadow20: /* Red Dots mounted too low for ARs */

Looks like MagPul MS4 slings on those MCXs, so far the general design, animations, weapons/gear look great, i can only hope that the gameplay doesn't feel too arcadey and a bit more realistic (mix of both) then i would buy another CoD since the MW trilogy and WAW days.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:26, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

== B&T APC556 ==

Hi guys,

I think I got most weapons but this one here is rather difficult. If you look at its side while the soldier is moving the receiver looks very flat and the only weapons coming to my mind being so flat is the B&T APC556.

What did you think? --[[User:Grasyl|Grasyl]] ([[User talk:Grasyl|talk]]) 09:02, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

[[File:Rrt877 codmw2019 unknowen rifle 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|APC556 held by an SAS Recon.]]
:Honestly, for firearms seen from such a distance/in small detail like this (it applies to a couple of weapons on the main page as well), it's better to wait for more content to come in future trailers instead of going ahead and speculating about literally every bit of weapon currently seen. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

== One more rifle from promo-material ==
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529979003826601986/583658085827084310/3.jpg
Any thoughts?
--[[User:Iskorka416|Iskorka416]] ([[User talk:Iskorka416|talk]]) 09:33, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
:It's an HK433, just with an AAC Honey Badger-like stock. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
::Okay. This picture is from press-kit, provided for game journalists, but to avoid any troubles, the writer wouldn't share with all of pics. At least for now.--[[User:Iskorka416|Iskorka416]] ([[User talk:Iskorka416|talk]]) 10:10, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
:::[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529979003826601986/583658084254351380/5.jpg One more image ], better view on a M4
::::That Aimpoint is mounted way too low. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:13, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
Really not sure that’s an HK433. It looks integrally suppressed and the stock doesn’t match. Is it not some sort of SIG MCX variant? I thought it was a suppressed Rattler at first, but the magwell looks different --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2019 (EDT)
:Nah, looks nothing like an MCX. It is indeed an HK433, just a customized one. I get the feeling that we'll get "stock" customization option again, which could explain how they added that sliding stock on it (as well the MPi-KMS-72 style stock on the AK)... we'll see if it's the case when we got more details. Plus, note the shape of the receiver (especially behind and in front of the ejection port), the paddle magazine release and the reversible charging handle's location (above the handguard), all of which match the HK433 and not any variant of the MCX. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:35, 1 June 2019 (EDT)
::Also the cuts on the frontal side of the well mag are typical HK433. However, I think that the real HK433 can't be integrally suppressed nor accept telescoping stocks. Funny thing is that apparently even the devs know this so they attached the PDW stock to nothing or is it just me seeing things? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 10:55, 1 June 2019 (EDT)
My bad on the MCX front, but in my defence I said some “sort of MCX”. Still, i’m not entirely convinced its a ‘433 either. The stock is probably custom, as per the above comment, but front end doesn’t quite match (unless it angle of the shot), there’s no integral suppressed ‘433. The ejection port and lower receiver is a clear match though (on my second look). I dunno, guess we will have to wait and see. I quite like the ‘433 design so would be nice to see it. Personally hope they bring back the skins from MW:R or better yet, customisation similar to Wildlands --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:27, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

==Unknown bolt-action==
[https://i.redd.it/m0z9lqftxi131.jpg I don't know what this could be.]--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:15, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
:I've read somewhere that it might be the FN Ballista ala BO2 style, but I'm conflicted. Some details match but others like the stock are different. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 16:45, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
::From the size, the proportions, and the flat, sloped upper receiver, I'm tempted to say that it's a [[PGM Hecate II]], though it doesn't seem to be a precise match. It seems like some of these guns might have customizable parts, though maybe I just have a hard time believing that the coat-hanger stock is gonna be standard and/or an attachment for the AK. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:54, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
Looking at the receiver shape my thought was definitely something by PGM --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:40, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

:Looks like Russian DVL-10 for me, but magwell is different and magazine looks too wide for .308 --[[User:Iskorka416|Iskorka416]] ([[User talk:Iskorka416|talk]]) 19:33, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

I think its a Victrix Armament rifle, doesnt look 100%, but the closest I found -- [[User:Hijeffrey95|Hijeffrey95]] ([[User talk:Hijeffrey95|talk]]) 12:19, 27 June 2019
:I did also think of some anti-materiel rifles such as the Victrix Corvus, but yeah it doesn't exactly match it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:37, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

==2v2 Gameplay footage==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv5JqiEfxoQ Here.] --[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 17:11, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
:Some stuff worth noting - the P320 is called the "M19", after its designation; the standard mag holds 10 rounds, and the 21-round extendo holds 15. The FAMAS fires in 3-round bursts, has aftermarket irons on top of its standard ones, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding as to how decimal points work (.556 inches would make it an anti-materiel rifle, whereas .556 millimeters would be a literal gun for ants). The bolt-action sniper rifle is an [[Accuracy International AX50]], the 870 is an MCS that they're calling the "Model 680" for some reason, and the [[MG4]] is called an "M91" (probably implying a US military designation), with 75 round being the "Extended Mags" capacity, so the standard is probably 50. Shotguns are also either secondaries or primaries now, and among them is the "725" [[Over and Under Shotgun|over/under]]; the name implies a Browning Citori, though [[Call of Duty: Black Ops#Beretta Model 682|the series is no stranger to misnaming O/Us]]. There are 2 different kinds of stun grenade (an [[M84 stun grenade|M84]] and a [[Model 7290 flashbang grenade|M7290]]), though we didn't actually get to see what the normal frag grenades are. Oh, and the [[RPG-7]] has a new reload animation for the first time in ever, though I'm pretty sure that the rocket still doesn't have a booster charge. It also has a melee attack where you jab them with the rocket, even though an RPG-7 warhead's only safety system is a screw-in nose cap, so doing that would blow you straight to kingdom come. Anything else? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:05, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

::The MG appears to be MG5 not MG4. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:13, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it's definitely an MG5. Also, that "M19" name is pretty much a goof lol; the P320 in reality is designed as M17 and M18, depending on the size. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:08, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
::::I quite like how they've done the animations for this one. Particularly the handguns, the way the screen shakes in conjuction with the jerkiness of the muzzle flip makes it seem like the player character is an actual human controlling recoil rather than a robot who can hold a perfect aim at all times.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:19, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

== Modern Warfare 2011 ==

I can’t help feel that the weapons list is well...dated!

Famas...dropped by French for Hk416 because its outdated

L86 rarely used by British Army and completely replaced as of April 2019

AUG, Mp5, M14 really?

Desert Eagle ffs come on!

Even the M4A1 feels rehashed, afterall if were playing tier 1 Operators who use Mk18’s or C8’s (in SAS’ case) should the game not match the reality?

--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 05:20, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
:Just because an older gun has only been recently replaced by a newer gun does not mean all previous guns in a nations inventory magically disappear into the ether. Many nations still use the M4, AUG, MP5, and M14 as well. The Desert Eagle is a series staple, so I'm not surprised it makes another appearance. The game has plenty of new guns as well, such as the Sig MCX, the M17, the HK433, and so on, so far it seems to strike a decent balance between classic Call of Duty guns and up to date guns.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 15:36, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

;:There were quite a few FAMASs in the recent Bastille Day parade; the French haven’t fully rolled out HK416Fs overnight since officially adopting them.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:51, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
Very true but there are also older weapons that have never appeared in COD before that could have been used instead. I mean why have the L86 when an RPK74 which is more widespread and has seen more use than the L86. Every time COD wants a bullpup it goes AUG and Famas, why not L85A2, CR21 or any other multitude of bullpup choices. I’m just saying the choices seem very safe and “copy/paste” to me. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
:Huh? The AUG and the FAMAS didn't make a lot of appearances in the CoD universe (the only ''main'' games in which they appeared are MW2 and *facepalm* Black Ops - unless you consider the "futurized" versions in BO3/BO4), and from what I've read the AUG is one of the most reliable bullpup weapons, so its appearance is legit. Also come on, the MP5 is one of the most popular submachine guns worldwide (if not ''the'' most popular), you certainly can't avoid putting it in the game. I definitely agree that the L86 is a dumb choice though, and we all know the issue with the Desert Eagle, although in the later case you could argue that it has become an iconic weapon in the MW series, so players will have fun again with it in multiplayer. The devs should have put a Mk 14 EBR as opposed to that "modernization" attempt of a normal M14. Other than that, I'm happy with the presence of weapons such as the P320, MCX VIRTUS, MG5, and '''especially''' the Remington 870 MCS, which should have been included in the MW series from the start (as opposed to those weird choices of Winchester 1200 and SPAS-12). I'm hoping they will add some firearms such as the Saiga 12, SIG MPX, HK417, SR-25, Glock 17, Mk 23 Mod 0, etc. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
Yeah my bad Its probably because both the Aug and Famas were rinsed in both MW2 and Blops. They could have at least picked the Thales F90 for a modern Aug and there are plenty of better choices than the Famas! The MP5 i have no issue with. It is still the premier CT SMG used worldwide and deserves it place. The MK14 would have been a better choice I agree, but I would have picked G28/417 or SR25 EC over it for a more modern touch. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 07:59, 20 July 2019 (EDT)
:In fairness, the AUG shown in-game is the 9mm SMG version (the Thales doesn't have such a counterpart), and it's not like there are many other choices of current-production bullpup SMGs besides the FN P90, IWI X95 9mm, and QCW-05 / CS/LS2. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:26, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

== Raw multiplayer footage ==

Some new MP footage got released today. More of the same, but without the screaming streamers and featuring several new weapons.

Watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVnJvZjMNCs

What I noticed right off the bat:

-An AK-47 with an RPK style barrel. An attachment or visual customization of some sort, I think. Other than the barrel, the AK's layout was pretty typical.

-Some kind of (integrally suppressed?) bolt-action sniper rifle that I cannot identify for the life of me.

-A .357 magnum revolver, probably a Smith and Wesson.

-A compact AR-15-style rifle.

-An MG42-type machine gun, maybe supposed to be an MG3? It appears to have the MG34's Panzerlauf stock.

-The SIG-Sauer MCX made an appearance. It's known as the "M13."

-Some kind of bullpup assault rifle that I can't identify but vaguely looks like a QBZ-95.

--[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:10, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

:It is an MG34, yeah in a modern game. And the AK is either type II or III. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:11, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

::The bullpup rifle was a [[ShAK-12]], interestingly enough, with some serious recoil along for the ride. It also holds 40 rounds in what appears to be a 20-round magazine. Oh, and don't forget the [[Marlin Model 1894]], which I'm guessing will be classified as a sniper rifle in-game. As for the MG34, it's not ''that'' far-fetched; some have turned up in combat zones in the Middle East, which is where I assume at least some of the campaign will be taking place. A fair bit less plausible is the 100-round capacity that they've blessed the 50-round belt drum with. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:53, 18 July 2019 (EDT) P.S.: Speaking of capacity, I really don't get why they felt the need to give the [[SIG-Sauer P320|P320]] a 10-round default mag and a 15-round extended one; unless it's supposed to be in a different caliber, it should hold 15 in a standard mag, while the extendo looks like the full-size version's 21-rounder.

:::As always, gameplay balancing I guess. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:55, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

::::Maybe the MG 34 is a “kit” for the MG5? It at least sounds better than the MG 42 in WWII, I’ll give it that.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:18, 18 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::I hope they don't bring back the "kit" system of firearm variation. Agreed on the audio being leagues better than previous CoDs, there's some nice impact to it now. CoD: WW2 made all their guns sound like someone flicking pebbles at a sheet of tin.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:31, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
::::::Funny thing is that [[Talk:Battlefield 4#Revolver reloads|I mentioned]] two months ago the fact that I hadn't seen yet the "universal" revolver reloading technique in a video game, aaaaaaaaand it ended up in this game :D I'm fairly sure the Marlin isn't a Model 1894, but likely <s>a 336</s> an 1895, given the trigger guard and the ejection port (the latter having been seen in an earlier video). Regarding the compact AR-style rifle, I'm pretty sure it's a shorter version of the already present MCX VIRTUS (we can exclude the Rattler, since the handguard looks longer than it). The 870 MCS wasn't pumped after a partial reload, which (likely, but I'm not holding my breath) means we will finally see different partial/empty reloads for shell-by-shell reloading shotguns (the only time it was done in a Call of Duty game is... get this, in the 13-year old CoD3). <s>Where I'm less impressed though, is the AK-47 part: while I can excuse its presence since there is also a more modern AK shown in the reveal trailer, the devs ''once again'' chose to slap a ribbed receiver cover on it.</s> --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:06, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::::EDIT: I checked again, and it appears that the receiver cover is appropriately smooth. I appreciate the recent edit, Aidoru. I previously didn't look ''very'' closely (and it was likely at lower quality), and some scratches on the cover made it seem like a ribbed one. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:29, 2 August 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Speaking of AK, if the Russian Federation armed forces show up in this game, I would faint if they used an AK-74 instead of an older AK model. At least give me an AK-12 or an AK-15. At the very least, I hope to see more modern Russian weapons instead of Russians running around with FAMASs, AUGs, FALs, and Strikers like in Modern Warfare 2 and 3. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 15:19, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Just make it the ''mass production'' AK-12 and/or -15 instead of the 2012 prototype that's getting into XM8 levels of overuse. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:17, 1 August 2019 (EDT)
Amen to that! I’m hoping they use AK74’s as well not the AKM every game seems to depict. AK15 would be preferable but given the rebels part take place in past, ‘74 would be better suited. Personally I would have had the AK74 and RPK in this game and included the AK12 and RPK16 as “skins” like MW:R. Do you think they will add the F2000 in as that has shown up on Syria in a few clips/photos --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:06, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

Well, new gameplay uploaded on InfinityWard's official youtube channel. A lot more focus on the MCX and 870 this time. I wonder what triggers the player characters usage of the thumb-over-bore grip, the length of barrel/type of grip, or maybe its a faction specific thing.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:33, 13 August 2019 (EDT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ-fuJRgqUc

== Mk 18 ID ==
Are we sure it's a Mod 1? Not a lot can be gleaned from the image, but it looks like it's just a Mod 0 with a PRI folding front sight block. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:53, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
:[http://youtu.be/CDeKijb1e7M?t=544 Here's] some gameplay footage of it, if it helps. But anyway, judging by the video linked below, the weapon has the front sight on the railed handguard by default, but customization options do include a folding front sight block and a traditional AR-15 front sight. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:24, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

== Customization teaser ==

[https://twitter.com/callofduty/status/1153349005319032832 Looks pretty extensive.]--[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 14:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
:Ohhhh, I think I'm gonna enjoy this --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 14:43, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
::Couldn't they add the M26 MASS as opposed to that outdated (and recycled) Masterkey? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:00, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
:::Looks cool. I just hope they don't go overboard with the skins (no animated neon pink tigerstripes with diamonds please), or lock some of the customization options behind lootboxes/ridiculous grinds.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:47, 23 July 2019 (EDT)

== New Trailer ==

The multiplayer reveal came out; [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Ivdq5E-fs here's a link.] Looks pretty interesting so far; I've got some things to point out, but what I don't have right now is time. Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 13:59, 1 August 2019 (EDT)
: There's also a full live stream of gameplay going on right now, so someone should probably sift through that after it finishes. --[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 14:32, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

==Revolver==
Looks like it could be a Smith and Wesson Model 586 with the barrel inletted for a scope mount. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:19, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

== IGN Loadout montage video ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiKHyejWvzQ

They go through all the guns available in the beta but not all the customisation options. They mention how it's possible to do things like add a 5.45mm "conversion kit" to the AK to turn it into a 74. And an unmodified L86 is just a bog-standard L85. Should probably follow the Payday 2 guide of putting entries for every complete weapon you can turn each gun into.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

== FN FAL/DSA 58 ==

Noticed this in a screen
https://imgur.com/a/AtTaJ5u

Not sure how to edit on here though, apologies...
:I get myself a FAL, and it's a classic one as opposed to the weird looking one in MW2! I'm happy. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 20:49, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

== Price's carbine ==

So, as seen on the page, the Noveske with a VLTOR upper is the closest ID that I found over two weeks ago for the carbine held by Capt. Price in the game cover and other artwork. For anyone who would like to take a close look at the weapon and see if there's a better match or some noteworthy info, [http://i.jeuxactus.com/datas/jeux/c/a/call-of-duty-modern-warfare/xl/call-of-duty-modern-war-5cf00acc5610e.jpg here's] a very high resolution image of it, and [http://www.gamenite.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CallOfDutyModernWarfare2019.jpg here's] a nearly full view of the weapon. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:43, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

==Weapon Prediction==
Probably the MW Remastered weapons will be in the game. Their names and aestetyc don't match with the original COD. MW but match with the new one. PKM and FAL are already confirmed.So the "Prokolot","D-25S",Saiga-12,Cheytac M200,"Fang 45" are on the table.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:28, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
:I doubt any of the fictional weapons will make it in. The SAIGA-12 and Cheytac M200 might, but not the Prokolot, D-25S or Fang-45.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 09:25, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, I'd agree - I mean, the FAL that we've seen so far is pretty clearly just an ordinary FAL, not the weird hybrid AR-ish thingy from ''MWR'' that resembles a lot of things but isn't quite any of them. It seems to me like this game's arsenal will be more or less proprietary. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 10:25, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
Those dumb fictional weapons? No. Just no. They shouldn't have been in MWR in the first place; that game started very well with improvements on realism regarding weapon models, etc., but the devs pretty much ruined it with those frankenguns. Thankfully this most likely ain't happening with the new MW, considering that this is Infinity Ward, and not Raven Software, [[Call of Duty Online|who was already known for creating frankenguns]]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:09, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

I doubt we'll see ''any'' reuse of weapons from previous CoDs - the work required for the new attachment system would probably make converting old models not worth it. --[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 14:43, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

==Frankenguns==
Now with the new gun customization, it appears that they will crank up to 11 the frankengun-ism. I am wondering about the AK customization in particular. They widely advertised that it is possible to customize the default AK47 into an "AK74u" however, what it actually does is to outfit it with an AKS-74U's wooden handguard and a [https://www.k-var.com/flash-hider-cone-design-for-762x39-24x15mm-rh-threads-us-made 7.62 x 39mm krinkov muzzle]. Now, this is all good when we speak about a 7.62 x 39mm AK but the thing is that this same setup (AK47 base) can be outfitted with 5.45x39mm mags while retaining the base AK47 receiver. So the question is would it be possible to somehow achieve this in reality, like maybe put the internals of a 5.45x39mm AK into a 7.62 x 39mm receiver? Could this work mechanically because that is precisely what we got in the game?

Also would there be any issue with attaching a 20" barrel to an Mk18 or M4A1 or whatever similarly to what can be done in game? Man, this new customization system is cool but it's gonna raise a lot of questions. Also, I think maybe we should split all of the submodification items from the main weapons into a separate section like what we've done with BFV's "cosmetic modifications" section because the way things are currently listed on the MW page is gonna cause a lot of confusion like "What? That ain't Mk18 no more, it's an M16 bruh... but why then it shoots in full auto huhh???" --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:06, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
:Regarding your first question about AKs, it'd essentially be a custom build, grafting (and probably hand-fitting) AKS-74U parts into an original AK-47 receiver. For the second, there shouldn't be any issues with attaching non-standard barrels to Mk18 uppers, as 18 uppers are the same thing as A4 uppers, just fitted with shorter barrels and handguards. And, for the final one, I'd figure that the way that we have it now is probably the best bet; the ''BFV'' system works because you're less customizing one gun into another (which is what you can do here) and more attaching parts from one variant of a gun to another - for example, you can put a Mk2 stock on a Mk1 Bren, but it's still a Mk1 Bren. This is the precedent for these sorts of customization issues elsewhere; for example, it's what was done for ''[[Payday 2]]''. Hope this helps. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:04, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
::And regarding the M16, if you really want to avoid that full-auto/burst confusion, you could probably identify the section as a Colt Model 901/M16A3 (the full-auto counterpart of the flat top M16A4), but keep the current reference image due to the heat shield. But IMO it isn't really necessary to change it, considering that we're already saying that "it resembles" an M16A4, plus one of the weapon perks in-game do actually turn it into a 3-round burst weapon. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:45, 18 August 2019 (EDT)
:::I changed the Arsenal AR-SF section to AKS-74U as the game simply puts parts from the AKS-74U to the base AK47 receiver. Also, I think we should emphasize more on the fact that the parts from "secondary" weapons are attached to the "main" receiver. I was going to make the same to the M16A4 section but as far as I understand from the above reply, the MK18 and the M16A4 both use the same receiver, at least visually, in reality. However, the fact that the weapon (in game) by default fires in full auto means that the base receiver is the MK18 one. Now the technical impossibility in this case here comes from the 3-round burst perk you describe. If that is indeed the case then we end up with that particular receiver being able to switch between full auto/3 burst which as far as I know is not a feature of any AR receiver? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 21:59, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
::::Nah, I reverted it, because it's better to show what the resulting model looks like, and the in-game weapon still has a milled receiver like the AR-SF, which is not the case for the AKS-74U. For the record, the combo of an AR-SF with Krinkov flash hider and wood handguard has indeed been done in some movies like [[District B13#Arsenal AR-SF|Banlieue 13]] and [[36th Precinct#Arsenal AR-SF|36 Quai des Orfèvres]]. Now regarding the burst perk, in fairness I just mentioned how the behavior of the in-game weapon will change to 3-round burst, and that it would potentially avoid the confusion between burst/auto that you mentioned at the end of your first comment. I don't think the burst perk changes the selector markings on the weapon model itself (unlike the normal attachments), plus I'm not sure whether the perk replaces the full-auto fire by 3-round burst or it adds a burst setting alongside the full-auto/semi-auto modes. Though in response to your last question, the safe/semi/burst/auto selector does exist on the "M4 Commando Enhanced" and the "M4 Carbine Enhanced" as discussed [[Talk:M16 rifle series#Colt Model 978|here]], but either way it's kinda irrelevant, since I'm pretty sure that this "burst" perk is available on many weapons in-game, not just the "M4A1". --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:06, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

== Public Beta ==

So, a new promo trailer dropped. A couple of things were shown, namely a mine that kinda looks like a flattened TS-50 with an S-Mine sticking out of the top (I think this was already shown, but now we have a good view of it), and a PKM (thankfully enough; it'd be odd to have a PKM stock as an attachment without the gun it belongs to). More important, however, is what this trailer was ''for'': there's apparently going to be a PS4-exclusive public beta of the 2v2 mode this weekend. If any of you have a PS4 capture device, now's your time to shine. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 22:49, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:Shoot, the PS4 already has a built in screencap feature, so a specific device isn't even necessary. I'm planning on downloading it, I could definitely take some screencaps.-[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:53, 20 August 2019 (EDT)
I just want to say that the animators at IW have really outdone themselves on this game. I love all the reload animations, the visual recoil is well done, and they even included animated fire selector switches that the player character will engage with his hand/thumb depending on the gun.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 04:43, 25 August 2019 (EDT)

== Revolver ==

I think the revolver is [[Taurus Model 689]] at least for me it looks like one
--[[User:Relb357|Relb357]]
September 8 2019

== P320 ID ==
If it lacks features indicative of the M18 (manual safety, three rail slots instead of four), shouldn't we classify it as a P320 instead? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:13, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
:It has the M18's optic cut on the slide though, and the SIG-Sauer website mentions that non-manual safety M17 pistols are planned to be shipped (I'm not sure if it also applies to the M18 though). I suppose we could alternatively identify it as a P320 RX Compact with the ROMEO1 sight removed (assuming that it ''can'' easily be removed, which I have yet to check). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 23:44, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
::They mention that the battery on the RX Compact's RDS can be changed without having to remove it, so I'm pretty sure it's removable. If it wasn't, that sentence would be nonsensical. I didn't know about them releasing M17s without manual safeties, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:10, 13 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Yep, plus I now checked a video; when Phil Strader talks about the RDS [http://youtu.be/HLs-qZMyL70?t=54 here], he says "if you don't feel like using it and you want to use regular iron sights". [http://youtu.be/-ZGRJtFtaOA?t=3768 Here's] a view of the in-game gun if you're interested, but anyway it ultimately seems that the RX Compact identification is legit. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:16, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

==About the "HDR"==
Carrying on from one of the early discussions regarding the unidentified sniper rifle, [http://media.playstation.com/is/image/SCEA/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-operator-enhnaced-edition-contents-image-block-01-ps4-us-01aug19?$native_t$ here's] a higher quality image of the operator pack that includes a slightly modified version of it. And now, here's an in-game view of the weapon:
[[File:MW19-HDR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
As for my two cents, it may or may not be something like a Zastava M12 Black Spear with some sort of custom chassis and magwell, and a different bolt assembly. But then again, it's just an assumption, I just... I don't know. In the meantime, it would be appreciated if someone provides an image showing a full view of the right side; it might help us identify it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:48, 13 September 2019 (EDT)
:[https://youtu.be/kOlEnrEpL5o?t=482 Here is an overview]. BTW it appears to be another frankengun again as the handguard of the handguard (yeah...) appears to be the [https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/used-m203-upper-handguard-carbine-length/ carbine length M203 GL handguard].--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
::Damn, this thing has the problem of a whole lot of the guns in ''MGS5'' - it ''kinda'' looks like a lot of things, but doesn't exactly match any of them. It sorta looks like a Zastava, it sorta looks like a Victrix Corvus, it sorta looks like an upscaled Lobaev DVL-10... and yet, in spite of this, it doesn't seem to be any of them. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:34, 16 September 2019 (EDT) P.S.: The more I unsuccessfully try to wrap my head around this thing, the more I worry that the same might be true of the .357. Granted, that thing does seem to just be a Taurus, but I fear that some may disagree.
:::Well, even though this might be the COD with most realistic depiction of guns, I managed to find that they deliberately gave them some subtle fictional details. For example look at [https://i.redd.it/cbxwmej5twd31.png MW's Harrier] and a [http://img.timeinc.net/time/2011/weapons/harrier.jpg real one]. Note that the real one has semi circular air intakes while the game's version has more squareish ones. Also compare the [http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/ea/DesertEagle50AE.jpg real Deagle] to the [https://youtu.be/kOlEnrEpL5o?t=505 game's version]. Note how the MW's Deagle has the pins above the trigger guard in the wrong place and also has more grooves on the slide than the real one. I think they are doing this on purpose. If somebody comes up with a lawsuit "Heyyy, u can't use our weapon in ur game!" and bla bla they can simply claim that the weapon they depict is not the same, it has differences, minor but still.--[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:20, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Infinity Ward seems to be doing these modifications in an inconsistent manner. You have a slightly fictionalized Desert Eagle with a made up name, but you also have the "M13" which is (as far as I can tell) pretty much an exact likeness of the MCX Virtus. Similiarly, they gave the MP7 its proper name, but they also gave it the same treatment as the Desert Eagle, with a fictional stock, handguard, charging handle, etc. In terms of Killstreaks, you have the notHarrier, notFrogfoot, the weird looking notPredator with an AEW rotodome alongside an accurately modelled Apache, Pave Low and A-10.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:52, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
::::One of the developers on Reddit actually said that was the case regarding the L86. I doubt it's really necessary (most games get away with much more accurate guns, even today), but I imagine Activision's lawyers are especially antsy because CoD has had licensing deals in the past, and I presume they're thinking that the gun companies will be watching them for use after the deal expired.--[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 07:09, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
I think it's an Zastava M93 Black Arrow (which has the same caliber) with a completely custom chassis and furniture. The position of the pistol grip and magazine match the M93 pretty well too.--[[User:BaileyJIII|BaileyJIII]] ([[User talk:BaileyJIII|talk]]) 09:43, 20 September 2019 (EDT)
:Oh wow, I haven't logged into this site for years, I know you're happy to see me again. Anyway, I'm thinking that the reason that they are doing these minor cosmetic changes to make guns and especially vehicles look less realistic is because of fear of lawsuits. There was after all this (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/11/09/humvee-manufacturer-suing-activision-over-call-of-duty-vehicles/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rockpapershotgun%2Fsteam+%28Rock%2C+Paper%2C+Shotgun%3A+Steam+RSS%29) (I forgot how to format links properly, sorry) case some years ago and I'm thinking Activison wants to avoid that happening again. This doesn't answer why some guns look more or less like their real counterpart though. Another reason could be political. Some might say that it's "problematic" or something to depict guns to realistically. Then again, I'm not sure about that.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:15, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
::Yay you’re back, along with Modern Warfare! Been missing your great screenshot work my dude.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:33, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Aaww, thank you! Sadly I won't be screenshotting this game at launch at least. I won't get it until I get a new PC, which will be some months from now. I am going to play it though. This is the first CoD game I've ever actually felt hyped for. Especially with the return of that MW3 style of survival mode (another reason for waiting due to that timed exclusivity) and those large maps with vehicles.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:20, 26 September 2019 (EDT)

==Red Dots mounted too low for ARs==
Even without any iron sights mounted, a red dot with a low mount is way too low to comfortable look through in some guns like the AR types, but that's how they have all the small red dots in this game and it's stupidly low [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 01:10, 11 October 2019 (EDT)
:Reminds me a little of Far Cry 5. That game had the same problem.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:08, 11 October 2019 (EDT)
Are you referring to the Aimpoint looking one? I think both the MP5 and the HK433 do not have this problem, the HK we seen in the campaign trailer has Price holding it and it looked correctly setup, it's a pita to look at i know.

EDIT: Actually just checked and it's incorrectly setup on the 141 too, dissapointed to see Russians still operating AK-47s instead of the more appropiate AK-74m or even the 12/15. Or even more bizarrelly; Blackhawks and Little Birds, saves the developers time on creating new models i guess...--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 13:32, 20 October 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

2019-10-20T17:32:48Z

2019-05-27T11:44:02Z

Death Shadow20: /* Page Approval */

=Page Approval=

Trailer already on-line. Featuring weapons like the M4A1, M134 Minigun mounted on UH-60 Blackhawks, and Carl Gustav M4. Another official picture, feature Milkor MGL Mk14 adnd CZ 805 BREN.Green light for the page? Dannyguns

Not an M4, It's a [[SIG_516|Sig 516 CQB]], also confirmed is an DD M4V1, TAR-21 and Stoner LMG--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 06:03, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Thank you, Death Shadow 20.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:16, 23 May 2019 (EDT) - No worries, always happy to help. On a side note, the sniper rifle of one of Nomad's teammates is carrying, neither is a Remington MSR nor a CheyTac M200. It's a Victrix Scorpio Mille.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 07:02, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

The HK416 is returning, too. Pre-order material has shown a skin for it as a bonus, IIRC. Just as an FYI, though, my contributions to this page will be minimal (unlike GRW, where I think I've been the majority contributor). Forced online functionality and removing the squad from a squad-based shooter aren't sitting well with me right now and thus I've no current plans to get this game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:49, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Ditto. It is a waste to put required online, (considering that a lot of countries don't have a good online connections, including 1st world ones, and then Ubi will learn the hard way.) to such a masterpiece. Its weird, 'cause Ghost Recon wiki mention a storyline. Vitrix addition seems good.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:57, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Ubisoft's stated reasoning for cutting the AI squad is utterly hilarious and contradictory: they claimed in a live stream with a couple of devs that they wanted to make a true lone wolf experience. Yeah, a "true lone wolf experience" unless you're playing co-op with up to 3 friends, where that experience becomes non-existent. If they really wanted to offer a lone wolf experience, co-op would have been cut, too. The lead guy went on to say that playing solo would be "painful, but possible" (which tells you what the game is going to be balanced around) and the other quipped "get friends or suffer", which I felt a little insulted by (though I'll admit he probably only meant it in jest). The ''real'' reason they cut the AI squad is because they're incapable of improving the lackluster squad AI used in GRW, they just don't want to admit it. But as I said on their forums, I'm totally okay with it if Ubisoft doesn't want my money this time. I'm still playing and enjoying GRW, so it's no skin off my back. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
I will not be getting it as well Spartan, so many dumb decisions around this game, as much as new improvements over Wildlands it has, i feel like the cons you mentioned are pretty dissapointing to say the least.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 07:44, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Ghost Recon Breakpoint

2019-05-23T11:02:46Z

Death Shadow20: /* Page Approval */

Talk:Ghost Recon Breakpoint

2019-05-23T10:21:29Z

Death Shadow20: /* Page Approval */

2016-12-20T17:34:29Z

Death Shadow20: /* Noted something */

==Trailer-exclusive weapons==
===MX8===
The MX8 was seen being utilized by the soldiers that would eventually become Desperado Enforcement LLC. in the VGA 2011 trailer.

===Beretta 92===
The Beretta 92, or a similar handgun, was briefly seen in the "Sword" trailer of the "Make It Right" Viral Marketing site for ''Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance'', back in the leadup to E3 2012. In Raiden's PTSD-induced flashback to Liberia shortly after his surgery, Raiden, then a child, witnessed one of Solidus' high-ranking officers, an African man, interrogating a soldier. He pointed the handgun at the soldier while threatening to kill his family.

==Name change==
Name has to be changed, the title is Metal Gear Rising: Revengance.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 19:00, 2 April 2012 (CDT)
:Done. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 2 April 2012 (CDT)
::Yeeesh. I hate that we have a title with a BS word. I know it's in the "urban dictionary" but it's still a bullshit word. Doesn't exist. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:::Actually, revengeance is in the dictionary, so it does exist. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:06, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
::::It's listed as obscure, i.e. slang or unused usage. The word is not actually used but it is listed because tons of illiterate philistines used it. I know. I cringed when the dictionaries actually caved in a listed "irregardless" as a real word even though etymologically it is a double negative (i.e. without without regard to). So the dictionaries 'change' because too many rubes misuse the words. The fact that all the major Dictionaries try to be 'relevant' by adding ridiculous slang words every year, made me completely lose respect for them as gatekeepers of the language. I cringe at the very real possibility that people like the Jersey Shore troupe can create new entries into the English Lexicon and will be vaunted words in future generations. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:33, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
::::::Actually, I think it might be obscure because it's an old word that isn't used ''anymore''. I have honestly never heard anyone say this word, as it seems kind of redundant, revenge and vengeance are the same thing, and because I think it is too big of a word for today's generation of slang which serves to shorten words into short, nonsensical grunts that will help rappers rhyme words that normally have completely different sounds, but that's just my opinion. I do agree with you, however, that the dictionary including slang is ridiculous, but in some ways, it does make sense. The Americanized English language has changed a lot since the 1700s, after all, it would be weird if British words like bonnet defining a car's hood showed up in a modern American dictionary. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 23:56, 12 July 2012 (CDT)
:::::::I guess they wanted a word that was like ''double'' revenge or something. So in this game Raiden will get angerous and fistpunch the leaderenemyboss. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:12, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

== New additions. ==

Hi.

Can we add some things to this article?

Namely, we'll need the regular Browning machine gun's screenshot from the VGA 2011 trailer, as well as a new section pertaining to that rocket launcher that Raiden was using in the E3 trailer, and any other weapons that appeared in it. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 08:46, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

Here's the rocket launcher I was referring to, BTW:
http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/0/05/601258_399699430073806_81711618_n.jpg
[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 14:59, 12 July 2012 (CDT)

:Sigh, look guys, it's been almost a year since we actually updated the page with weapons that appeared. Can someone PLEASE update the page already? This is getting ridiculous, as we not only have that missile launcher that Raiden briefly used in the E3 trailer, but also some RPG-7 like weapons in one of the gameplay videos for TGS 2012. I thought the point of the site was to update as soon as new weapons are discovered, so what's taking so long. I'd do it myself, but I can't actually identify the weapons. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:01, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

::If you don't know what they are you can put images of them here and ask, or even put them on the main page labelled as "unknown (weapon type)." The site doesn't update automatically, and in general users will have things they're working on already. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:10, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

== Handgun ID ==

Hi.

Can someone ID this handgun used in the Sword trailer, when that black soldier is threatening the soldier being interrogated during the flashback sequence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZNPSwJBV0&feature=player_embedded

It's about :29 seconds in. Sorry if it's bad quality, but it's the best I could find.

[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:16, 25 January 2013 (EST)

:Bit blurry, but it looks like a Beretta 92 or some imitation thereof. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 22:25, 24 February 2013 (EST)

::Well, I made sure I noted the appearance in the pistol section. It might not have been in the game itself, but since it is in the Sword trailer, which was a viral marketing site teaser for the game's showing at E3, it still qualifies as far as I know. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:38, 26 February 2013 (EST)

:::Eh, I don't think it's really worth noting, it's so blurry you can't really tell what model of 92 it actually is. Plus standard is to put live-action trailer stuff on talk pages. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:41, 26 February 2013 (EST)

== This game win the Iron E! ==

Because, while an American RPG-7 exist and having even a successor in 2015 (GS-777) it didnt seen a wordlwide popularity. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:07, 19 December 2016 (EST)

== minigun picture ==

[[File:metalgearrisingminigun.jpg]]

== Noted something ==

First in Sig Sauer pistol there are "Made in ...." writings. Can someone tell them? Second, why would Denver PD, use Russian (MAK-200 ingame) and Ukrainian (Hrad UG) gear? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:35, 20 December 2016 (EST)
:Because it's what the developers wanted, simple as that :) Besides, it's a videogame, they can take whatever freedom they want but it saddens me that the people of today get offended over the most little things, during WWII there were mocking made up propaganda from each side and no-one complained.
Little bit off topic, sorry, but yeah moral of the story, don't give it much thought on the most trivial things Danny :)--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 12:34, 20 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

2016-12-20T17:33:34Z

Death Shadow20: /* Noted something */

==Trailer-exclusive weapons==
===MX8===
The MX8 was seen being utilized by the soldiers that would eventually become Desperado Enforcement LLC. in the VGA 2011 trailer.

===Beretta 92===
The Beretta 92, or a similar handgun, was briefly seen in the "Sword" trailer of the "Make It Right" Viral Marketing site for ''Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance'', back in the leadup to E3 2012. In Raiden's PTSD-induced flashback to Liberia shortly after his surgery, Raiden, then a child, witnessed one of Solidus' high-ranking officers, an African man, interrogating a soldier. He pointed the handgun at the soldier while threatening to kill his family.

==Name change==
Name has to be changed, the title is Metal Gear Rising: Revengance.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 19:00, 2 April 2012 (CDT)
:Done. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 2 April 2012 (CDT)
::Yeeesh. I hate that we have a title with a BS word. I know it's in the "urban dictionary" but it's still a bullshit word. Doesn't exist. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:::Actually, revengeance is in the dictionary, so it does exist. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:06, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
::::It's listed as obscure, i.e. slang or unused usage. The word is not actually used but it is listed because tons of illiterate philistines used it. I know. I cringed when the dictionaries actually caved in a listed "irregardless" as a real word even though etymologically it is a double negative (i.e. without without regard to). So the dictionaries 'change' because too many rubes misuse the words. The fact that all the major Dictionaries try to be 'relevant' by adding ridiculous slang words every year, made me completely lose respect for them as gatekeepers of the language. I cringe at the very real possibility that people like the Jersey Shore troupe can create new entries into the English Lexicon and will be vaunted words in future generations. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:33, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
::::::Actually, I think it might be obscure because it's an old word that isn't used ''anymore''. I have honestly never heard anyone say this word, as it seems kind of redundant, revenge and vengeance are the same thing, and because I think it is too big of a word for today's generation of slang which serves to shorten words into short, nonsensical grunts that will help rappers rhyme words that normally have completely different sounds, but that's just my opinion. I do agree with you, however, that the dictionary including slang is ridiculous, but in some ways, it does make sense. The Americanized English language has changed a lot since the 1700s, after all, it would be weird if British words like bonnet defining a car's hood showed up in a modern American dictionary. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 23:56, 12 July 2012 (CDT)
:::::::I guess they wanted a word that was like ''double'' revenge or something. So in this game Raiden will get angerous and fistpunch the leaderenemyboss. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:12, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

== New additions. ==

Hi.

Can we add some things to this article?

Namely, we'll need the regular Browning machine gun's screenshot from the VGA 2011 trailer, as well as a new section pertaining to that rocket launcher that Raiden was using in the E3 trailer, and any other weapons that appeared in it. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 08:46, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

Here's the rocket launcher I was referring to, BTW:
http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/0/05/601258_399699430073806_81711618_n.jpg
[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 14:59, 12 July 2012 (CDT)

:Sigh, look guys, it's been almost a year since we actually updated the page with weapons that appeared. Can someone PLEASE update the page already? This is getting ridiculous, as we not only have that missile launcher that Raiden briefly used in the E3 trailer, but also some RPG-7 like weapons in one of the gameplay videos for TGS 2012. I thought the point of the site was to update as soon as new weapons are discovered, so what's taking so long. I'd do it myself, but I can't actually identify the weapons. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:01, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

::If you don't know what they are you can put images of them here and ask, or even put them on the main page labelled as "unknown (weapon type)." The site doesn't update automatically, and in general users will have things they're working on already. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:10, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

== Handgun ID ==

Hi.

Can someone ID this handgun used in the Sword trailer, when that black soldier is threatening the soldier being interrogated during the flashback sequence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZNPSwJBV0&feature=player_embedded

It's about :29 seconds in. Sorry if it's bad quality, but it's the best I could find.

[[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:16, 25 January 2013 (EST)

:Bit blurry, but it looks like a Beretta 92 or some imitation thereof. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 22:25, 24 February 2013 (EST)

::Well, I made sure I noted the appearance in the pistol section. It might not have been in the game itself, but since it is in the Sword trailer, which was a viral marketing site teaser for the game's showing at E3, it still qualifies as far as I know. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:38, 26 February 2013 (EST)

:::Eh, I don't think it's really worth noting, it's so blurry you can't really tell what model of 92 it actually is. Plus standard is to put live-action trailer stuff on talk pages. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:41, 26 February 2013 (EST)

== This game win the Iron E! ==

Because, while an American RPG-7 exist and having even a successor in 2015 (GS-777) it didnt seen a wordlwide popularity. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:07, 19 December 2016 (EST)

== minigun picture ==

[[File:metalgearrisingminigun.jpg]]

== Noted something ==

First in Sig Sauer pistol there are "Made in ...." writings. Can someone tell them? Second, why would Denver PD, use Russian (MAK-200 ingame) and Ukrainian (Hrad UG) gear? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:35, 20 December 2016 (EST)
:Because it's what the developers wanted, simple as that :) Besides, it's a videogame, they can take whatever freedom they want but it saddens me that the people of today get offended over the most little things, during WWII there were mocking made up propaganda from each side and no-one complained.

Little bit off topic, sorry, but yeah moral of the story, don't give it much thought on the most trivial things Danny :)

Talk:Hacksaw Ridge

2016-12-17T20:28:51Z

Death Shadow20: Created page with "I think this may be one of the few movies that doesn't show the PING that the M1 Garand does when ejecting the En-Bloc clip, maybe im wrong but iirc i didn't saw or heard any,..."

I think this may be one of the few movies that doesn't show the PING that the M1 Garand does when ejecting the En-Bloc clip, maybe im wrong but iirc i didn't saw or heard any, movie is great nonetheless,happy it got a page.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:28, 17 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare

2016-12-09T19:07:42Z

Death Shadow20: /* Weapons I know */

==Multiplayer trailer reveal==
Given the futuristic nature, I'm not making the page yet ''(EDIT: I hadn't noticed that it was protected from creation either way lol)'', but I can already tell that the "Reaver" shotgun is obviously a futuristic Kel-Tec KSG. As for the assault rifles, the "NV-4" is an AR-15 style rifle, and the "Volk" appears to be based on the Parabellum Armament AK-14 (EDIT: or not, more like an AKMSU with a huge barrel shroud and a standard AK stock). Now the "RPR Evo" submachine gun (which can switch between SMG and AR modes), it's Magpul PDR styled. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:32, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
:Saw a Glock and a .45 Vector smg with double magazine (!) But yeah i think IW should have its own page, seeing as BO3 has way more advanced and futurized weaponry^^--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:38, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
::I think we should wait and see until the games fully out before we make an entry. At this rate, we might as well add an entry for Halo...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:51, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
Copy/pasting a couple of my responses to this topic on the [[Talk:Main_Page#Another_year...|main discussion page]] which show a couple of relevant images:
:I think it probably deserves a page, there are quite a few guns that are based on real guns or use real components. The most obvious is the NV-4 which is pretty much just an M4 with a VLTOR receiver with some relatively minor modifications. Even with the weird stuff like that hybrid sniper thing there are real parts visible: in this case you can see from the receiver that it was modelled from and M14. As for others, to me it looks like the Type-2 (or is it a MOD2?) is based on an FMG-9/FPG, back end of the Reaver looks like it could be a KSG, and the Volk has an AK reciver and a 7.62x39mm style mag. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:57, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
:By "based on" I mean that the model is actually an altered version of the model of a real gun, rather than it just being vaguely based on the same concept. From what I have seen so far, the guns in this are a lot closer to real life weapons than BO3's guns. The NV-4 is the most notable:[[File:COD IW NV-4 SGB.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]Even with that hybrid sniper thing you can see that the model is actually based on an M14 that has been altered:[[File:InfiniteWarfareSniper.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]You can see various parts of the original M14 model, including the receiver, safety catch (which has been made totally unusable by the new stock implying that this actually started out as a standard M14 model), heatshield and gas tube. To me it looks like at least some of the guns in this are based on real guns. This is in contrast to BO3 where the guns were, in anything, only in the vague shape of something real, so if anything I would say that IW would be a more valid to build a page for than BO3 which already has one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:03, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
:Well then. Now, who's going to buy this game when it comes out? I sure won't. Also, the fire-selector on that AR looks super awkward.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:14, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
As well as the obvious looking M4 i'm pretty sure there was a glock style pistol in an earlier campaign trailer. On the MP weapons selection menu there was also a "classics" tab so presumably either classic weapons will return or ballistic weaponry. Some of the interviews mention a "Kendall Ballistics" company so i am expecting regular bullet throwers. Even the Volk- AK style rifle is mentioned as an energy rifle so this is possible. Finally Halo should have a page. If AW and BO3 got one then so should that imo. The MA5C clearly takes inspiration from F2000 etc...--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 14:48, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
:According to the guy who designed the MA5C, he didn't know about the F2000 and only got to know about it after the game came out.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
: The Resistance series also had its own page where it had an obvious Colt M1911 and the M14 with pistol grip/wooden stock but it also got deleted as well, for shame, rules will be rules though.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:18, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
::No real guns were harmed in the making of the HALO weapons, so it doesn't warrant a page. After all, we would have basically nothing to say about them. AW and BO3 both feature guns that (arguably) are based on real guns, but also feature standard unmodified real weaponry to a lesser extent. BO3 is kind of a grey area though (there are only a couple of unmodified weapons and it is questionable whether the futuristic guns are actually based on anything specific), but there is the argument that as it is part of a larger series it can be included for completeness sake. If a game with the BO3 weapons came out and it was unrelated to anything else it would probably be deemed ineligible. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:43, 3 September 2016 (EDT)
:::Remember what I said about forcing open doors we don't want opened? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:52, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
::::We already have many pages (cough, BO3, cough) which appear to be far less deserving of a page than this game so I don't see why we should arbitrarily draw the line here. As for opening the door, we have always had deluded people wanting to make a HALO page, this guy is nothing new. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:50, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
:::[[File:I m f d b.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] Thread in a nutshell.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:09, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
Sorry Commando552 but who are you calling "deluded" i merely stated that BO3 uses weapons vaguely resembling real world weapons, as does Halo. I dont think that makes me deluded. The fact that 90% of my post was about ballistic weapons in IW speaks volume to me. I do admit i was wrong on AW as it has AK12 and ARX160 among others. I'm not looking for an arguement just found your post insulting considering we know nothing about one another! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 09:51, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
:I was referring to people in the past who tried to argue that HALO uses weapons based on specific real world guns, not you specifically. In this case it was actually more in referrence to AgentGumby not you, who thinks that shitty memes are the best form of discussion. As for Halo eligibility the most compelling argument you can make for the HALO guns is "it has a long carry handle so it is a FAMAS" or "it has a sight in a cowling so it is an F2000". This is in contrast to guns in this game which (from what I have seen so far) are actually modified models of real guns, rather than just a vague assemblage of parts that if you quint and turn your head the right way sort of looks like something real. Unless they make a prequel for HALO or something that is set closer to modern day and uses real weapons, we will never have a HALO page. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:35, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
Okay then, well i think we can agree fully on that. It just urks me that bar the KN44, ICR-1 and one or two others none of BO3 weapons resemble real firearms. You could argue that MA5 series was based off F2000 although as stated above, the designer Rob McLees noticed this after designing the rifle. But he also said it was surreal to see how close the Halo rifle was to its real world FN counterpart. I accept we cannot have a Halo page but by same vein we shouldnt really have a BO3 or Alien Resurection page. Rant over. I do find it odd that IW is further forward in future than BO3 yet has more "grounded" weapons. I imagine some modern or "classic" weapons will be included which i think was hinted at in the weapon selection menu during latest trailer. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:45, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
::For the record, I recently did some major cleanup to the BO3 page (following some discussions on its talk page); as such, it doesn't feature anymore the extremely fictional weapons that it used to show. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:51, 19 September 2016 (EDT)
:I think it's neat that they gone with ''slightly'' more realistic weapons. I watched [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHcy7b-JWyI&list=WL&index=27 this] video recently, goes to show that the future of firearms isn't about laser guns but slapping more stuff onto ARs. All the talk about the system however just makes me think of MGS4...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:26, 5 September 2016 (EDT)

In his latest video, Youtuber Ali-A has confirmed that after being hands on with IW, that MP will feature classic guns from past infinity ward games. First of these will be Intervention sniper rifle. Other details are sketchy but as far as the page is concerned, this would at least add real word weapons into the mix along with weapons such as the M4 type rifle, Glock and Volk/AK energy rifle we have already seen.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:10, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
:Three real weapons have ultimately been confirmed so far. The Zombies in Spaceland trailer showed an ADS view of an <s>M14 variant</s> M1 Garand, and the Infinite Warfare Stream video about this game mode showed a CheyTac M200 and a SPAS-12. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:14, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

==Weapons Video==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFUcrSLOJXQ This shows some of the weapons based on real guns].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 00:58, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
:From what I could make out, looks like there's a AK varient, a UMP, what looks like the Honey Badger from Ghosts, A TDI Vector, A burst-fire Revolver (...), The Shotgun from FEAR 3, and a Glock of sorts. And I thought Destiny had some odd looking weapons.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 15:36, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
Agreed! The AR that splits in two is just plain wierd! There was also an odd P90/MTAR style rifle i noticed. The Sniper rifle shown will no doubt be based off (even loosely) a real bolt action. I will watch it again as must have missed the Honey Badger, good spot! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:10, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
Just re-watched vid and did a bit of googling. The SMG with fast/slow rates of fire is the RPR-EVO. Its basically the Ripper from ghosts with dual SMG/AR fire modes. Still couldnt see a Honey Badger unless i missed it. What minute on vid was it at? The Rifle that splits into dual wields is the "type 2" & its pickup icon makes it look like an FMG9 with a front hand guard.They have called the Vector the Karma 45 which has "built in dual mags for faster reloads". --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:31, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
:I've pretty much concluded that all COD weapon design sessions are held at 4:20 PM. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 18:14, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
:I SAID Honey Badger cause the model looks suspiciously like the one from Ghosts.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 20:57, 4 September 2016 (EDT)
[[File:HoneyBadger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Honey Badger" in question. The Yellow in the back is what making me think it's the Honey Badger from Ghosts]]
:::That is the NV-4, pictured in the topic above. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:50, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
::I actually really like these designs. A lot of them seem crazy and futuristic, but at the same time familiar and functional. Which I like a lot better than BO3. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 00:59, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
I really can't see any resemblance of the Honey Badger in that AR, aside from the charging handle.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:16, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
:The yellow tab is an aftermarket AR15 charging handle accessory, it's not exclusive to a Honey Badger. The model in game is probably built off of the Ghosts Honey Badger though.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:20, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
::I doubt it is actually based on it, as firstly the latch is of a different design being a hollow square more like a Badger Ordnance one (no relation to Honey Badger) or something similar, and secondly the upper is based on a VLTOR MUR one rather than the proprietary Honey Badger one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:42, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
:::I only said Honey Badger cause that's what I was reminded of. Still though, a burst fire revolver? Seriously?--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:11, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
::::The revolver's reloading animation is retarded. Now Half-Life's gluon gun is back as the "Steel Dragon"... but dat Erad SMG is fucking ugly. Also funny thing is that the "Eraser" combat rig pistol is aimed in gangsta-style. But the record-breaking thing is how they modeled the DCM-8 shotgun after a P90 look-alike (WHAT??) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:46, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
Video games.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:19, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::EDIT: The DCM-8 turned out to be looking nothing like a P90 aside from the magazine system, I didn't see the in-game model closely before, but now I saw a third-person view of it as well. There's the "FHR40" SMG however, which is essentially a futuristic P90 with a Magpul FMG-9-like carrying handle. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:57, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::Oh and we have the <s>LH44</s> Kendall 44 pistol that looks like a Glock 19, the Spartan-SA3 showcasing CoD's love for the Carl Gustav M3, and the <s>GL3</s> Howitzer grenade launcher that looks more like a shotgun, for instance a Serbu Super Shorty knockoff with a stock. And on the topic of burst-firing revolvers, I found some interesting stuff [http://www.guns.com/2012/05/10/pistola-con-caricato-18-shot-revolver/ here] and [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/08/dual-cycle-rifle/ here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) b08:10, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::: Wasn't there a burst revolver in Watch Dogs too? From that gameplay video it looks like a rhino/unica(not sure which) which was the same burst gun in watch dogs. --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 20:22, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
::::::::The revolver here looks almost like a cross between a Rhino, a Mateba, and an RSH-12.7. Also, gotta love the reloading animation- 4 chambers with 3 superimposed rounds in each, all of which seem to be cased (on the subject, this site's spell-checking always changes "caseless" to either "baseless" or "careless"), and basically the entirety of the cylinder save the exterior shell just falls out, begging the question of how it stays in in the first place. Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 08:15, 24 November 2016 (EST)

== New Gameplay Video ==
Looked at some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KasWKwOIJlY gameplay] from the recent beta and I was able to spot a few more weapons: A Valmet M82 that seems to have parts of a CR-21 mashed in, along with a FN90 mixed with a Magpul PDR. Also, there's a shotgun called a Reaver that is basically a Kel-Tec KSG and a Dual-Magazine(...) TDI Vector called the Karma-45.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:52, 25 October 2016 (EDT)

Some of the weapons, especially the ballistic ones are clearly grounded in modern firearms. Coupled with the return of Classic Weapons i think a page should be started. Is it still protected? --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 06:18, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
:It is still protected, and I doubt that it will be created for now, at least not before the game is released (i.e. until we get more real weapons, namely game modes-exclusive ones or mounted heavy machine guns in campaign). If it is created, users will have to keep in mind to only have the real weapons in it (including the 7 classic weapons) and the ones that are '''clearly''' based on particular weapons (such as the NV4, HVR, Kendall 44 and Spartan SA3). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:13, 31 October 2016 (EDT)

Interesting, you say 7 classic weapons? I read 10. We already have UMP, intervention, spas12, Glock18, M1 & ARX160. Although a rumour, i have heard that the ACR is scheduled to make an appearance in the final 4 classics. I agree with you that the rest of the weapons need a common sense approach. Not repeating those you have listed, but the reaver is clearly the Keltec KSG. The widowmaker is a "futuristic" MSR and the FHR40 (?) is a P90. The Vector is in there. The AK influence on the Volk cannot be ignored and the Type 2 is a larger FMG9. The other assault rifles bear "traits" of modern bullpups but i think thats starting to push it. I imagine most of the mounted weapons in game will be energy based.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:07, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
:The ACR was indeed rumored at some point, but until now it hasn't been confirmed. And regarding the current classic weapons, I said seven because there's also the FN 40GL grenade launcher, which is equipped on the in-game ARX-160. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:22, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
::Good info, but I'm pretty sure that the Widowmaker is a straight-up M200 Intervention. It holds 12 rounds, and, for absolutely no discernible reason, fires in 2-round bursts. No, you didn't read that wrong; you pull the trigger, 2 shots are fired in quick succession, and then you work the bolt. Sometimes, I just don't even know... [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 18:29, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
:::From your rants on the recent CoD games, I can tell you're a fan of two-shot sniper rifles. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:33, 23 November 2016 (EST)

Your right! The widowmaker is an intervention (albeit a far fetched equivalent) i meant the longbow as the MSR. I imagine we will see the ACR and i am hoping the AK from either MW2/3 makes an appearance. Guess we will find out later this week. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 09:50, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
:I'd be more comfortable in seeing an AK-103 rather than such a frankengun tbh. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:07, 2 November 2016 (EDT)
Something like this perhaps? Even looks like [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4b8L8 MW2 variant] --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:29, 2 November 2016 (EDT)

My gosh, once again shotguns that are reloaded with each shell individually are still cocked during a mid-reload. Is it so hard for CoD developers to correct this? I mean, in the 10-year old [[Call of Duty 3]] they got it correct, yet in ALL the later games they didn't. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:00, 4 November 2016 (EDT)

== The game's out, unlock the page already. ==

See title.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])
: From what I've gathered in the above discussion, the reluctance of allowing this page really doesn't have much if anything to do with the release date. That said, asking would be more polite. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:51, 5 November 2016 (EDT)
Well the "classic" guns, like the UMP, ARX, G18 and such can be added. Futuristic guns should not be included. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:27, 5 November 2016 (EDT)

I disagree. As per the above discussion, many of those futuristic guns are clearly grounded in real life weapons. However, a fair few of them aren't and just like the blops3 page they shouldn't be included. Weapons like the Volk, widowmaker, Kendall 44 etc... are easily identifiable as real world weapons, so why should they not be included?--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 07:53, 6 November 2016 (EST)
:Forrest is right.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:45, 6 November 2016 (EST)
::Dunno if Bozito was talking about most future weapons or only the ones that are too much futuristic (such as the Erad and the Mauler). But if the page is made (namely if it becomes notable, especially if the game turns out to contain some real mounted weapons as I mentioned above), the guns that are definitely in my mind to be added (aside from the classic ones) are the Kendall 44, FHR-40, Karma-45, NV4 and Spartan SA3. To a lesser extend, the other ones that would be worth mentioning would be the Reaver, RPR Evo, Type-2, Volk and Howitzer (these ones seem to be even more visually modified compared to the others). I gotta note however that the Rack-9, HVR, Widowmaker and DMR-1 would probably be kinda redundant (worth mentioning, but not as actual main weapon titles), since their counterparts are already present among the classic weapons. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:17, 6 November 2016 (EST)
Yeah that kinda annoyed me that they added classic weapons, yet very similar weapons already existed? If they wanted to add the M1 they could have used any number of modern DMR type weapons for the other sniper! The Spas 12/ UMP are basically in it twice just with/without stocks --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 17:53, 6 November 2016 (EST)

== IF this gets a page ==
If this game gets a page, I feel we should include other games as well (no I don't mean Halo). I understand this game includes a few real life guns but if we include all those "well it uses an M4 magazine so let's say it's an M4" guns, we should take a look at adding games like Resistance, possibly Killzone, and Titanfall 2 (I haven't played the first one). Resistance's main rifle is obviously based on the LMG version of the M14, Killzone has more than enough guns with real life similarities (Famas, LR-300) I mean come on, look at Blops 3's page. And finally, Titanfall 2. That game has an obvious M14 (G2), bullpup AK (flatline), mocked up M4 (Hemlock), M240 (Spitfire), you could almost say most of the guns are based on the Kriss Vector if you go by just looks, which is what we have done with blops 3 and probably will do this (IW) page. Just saying, if we allow this page, we should allow some others as they are more than qualified if we allow the guns that are NOT real. [[User:Majorcamo|Majorcamo]] ([[User talk:Majorcamo|talk]]) 02:03, 24 November 2016 (EST)
:First off, I think that some of those pages would be a good idea. However, be sure to try and make a good page, as one of the things that has caused most people to be against the idea of such pages was simply how poor in quality many of their pages were. As for the Black Ops 3 page, part of the reason it was included was for the sake of completeness in a series, and to inform the uninformed just how far from reality many of the guns were. That being said, it did have a few more-or-less unmodified guns (with notable mounted MG42s and a slightly hybrid Sten), and a few guns that have rather obvious origins (the FFAR, KN-44, Locus, 48 Dredge, etc.), in addition to some of its unholy abominations (to the person that designed the Gorgon, I have 2 questions for you: what were you smoking when you created that thing, and where can I get some?). All in all, I think that your pages could work, but you're going to have to make a good 1st impression to get some of the others on board. Also, given the obvious guns (Karma 45= Vector, NV4= M4 w/ VLTOR upper, EMC=Springfield XDM compact, FHR40=P90, etc.) and the Classic weapons (ARX160, G18C, M1 Garand, SPAS-12, etc.), this is DEFINITELY getting a page. Best of luck with those page ideas; I'll try and help out where I can. Sincerely, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 08:11, 24 November 2016 (EST)

I think Killzone (if done properly) does deserve a page. At least if one or two of the games are done well then the others can be included for "completeness, as part of a series" jk :) Seriously though the first game had decent "grounded" weapons, bar the flak cannon thing?!?? Titanfall i am not sure of. A few weapons are loosely based off the Super Kriss receiver but thats a slippery slope imo. A lot of the Blops3 weapons were moved off main page for being loosely based off certain weapon & rightly so. infinite warfare on other hand has many weapons that are clearly modified versions of real weapons, even if some now fire laser beams! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 14:12, 25 November 2016 (EST)
: I don't know if Titanfall does warrant a page (cause half of the guns don't even seem to be based on anything), but as for Infinite Warfare...I'd say save the main page for the guns that are unmistakably based on real-world guns and save the "future" guns for the discussion page, like BlOps 3.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:32, 25 November 2016 (EST)

:: "I understand this game includes a few real life guns but".. No. I don't see where a 'but' applies there. List the real guns, forget the other crap. We're here primarily to document real weapons. Just because it has a STANAG mag DOES NOT make it a legitimate entry to me. That's not enough of a feature of 'similarity' to consider it representing any real-world weapon. May as well say having a magazine period or a trigger makes it based enough from a 'real' gun. And just because it has the PROFILE of a certain firearm doesn't make it so - We don't list cartoons that have similar 'profiles' of guns for a reason. I mean, seriously? I don't know about the other page(s), sounds awful sketchy to me. Then again, I don't fool around in video games much. Nonetheless, the paramount point of the site - at least as I've always seen it - is to document showings of actual weapons. Not to list every weapon that appears in a particular piece of media because said piece of media has a page and/or said guns share perhaps one or two features common to firearms in reality. Honestly I think this whole issue is getting way out of the hand to the point of utter absurdity. Bottom-line, SeanWolf said it - Document the real weapons and leave the others either off or here in the talk page. Pages that have real weapons mixed with other stuff should likewise be done so. Pages that are all fictional weapons should either be denied or at least very heavily scrutinized. Work within what the site IS, don't work so hard to make the site what it IS NOT. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 03:43, 27 November 2016 (EST)
"We don't list cartoons that have similar profiles of guns for a reason" see my post below. There is an anime that lists a fictional rifle with the "shape" of an F2000! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:04, 27 November 2016 (EST)
: At least it isn't ''actually listed'' as an F2000, there is a bit of difference there. Even then, I'd say maybe it oughta be omitted. Further remarks below. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:26, 27 November 2016 (EST)

Personally, even though I brought this up before (I dropped it before any discussion could be made on it) I think that Destiny, yes Destiny, may actually qualify for a page. For one, The starter weapon is literally just [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/destinypedia/images/b/b1/TTK_Khvostov_7G-02.png an M4 with science stuck to it. The description pretty much literally says it's an old modified M4.], (There's also a variant with a wood fixed stock), as well, in the present-day intro, there are astronauts on Mars with white, [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dyR9ZdVF2Kk/Vd_Nk8BV7UI/AAAAAAAAjqk/o_-PPVPSPKM/w1280-h720/9e93eb958a737bad5ffd75226c7e25825492597a.jpg unmodified, MK.18 mod 0s]. As well, there's an [http://www.next-stage.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Supercellule-Zhalo-e1443830424355-1024x551.png AK converted to fire space magic](The lore basically says it was indeed an AK at one point), and lastly, a [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKsZq7qVEAQAZxh.png SCAR-H/ARX-160 lovechild], and handguns with slides resembling [http://www.gaminganimal.co.uk/home/wp-content/uploads/Ironwreath-Sidearm.jpg SIGs,] and [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/destinypedia/images/b/b5/Thalestris-C_H%C3%A4kke_Sidearm.png Glocks]. I know I've made this argument before, but I'd really appreciate it if this idea was at least given some consideration, as, while most of the weapons ARE indeed 100% fictional, these particular ones are actually very convincing.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 14:01, 4 December 2016 (EST)
: The rifles would mostly be one thing, but hybrid (or 'lovechild') and especially 'resembling' weapons are pushing it too far I'd say. Again the key is more what they are, not what they could be; Some contours on a pistol don't make it ''that'' pistol. I believe I mentioned this already. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:19, 4 December 2016 (EST)

== Classic Weapons ==

Do you guys think is a good idea?--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 23:59, 24 November 2016 (EST)
:What do you mean with "a good idea"? To have them in the game? I wouldn't know. To give them an entry? Yes.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 05:43, 25 November 2016 (EST)
::I'm talking about in the game--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 21:02, 25 November 2016 (EST)
Yes it's a great idea but I disagree with their choices. Except the ARX and Glock, all of those weapons were already in game, UMP-HVR etc... Personally if they were going to include those particular classics, which are all solid weapons, then they should have picked different guns for IW. Or pick different classics. I hope future batches of classics (its inevitable) include more thought out choices. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 05:22, 26 November 2016 (EST)

== Fictional weapons? ==

Just a quick one really, what is the difference between fictional weapons being allowed on Anime pages, but not so for video games? Movies/TV have physical props regardless whether its a blank firing/non gun or just a made up prop, but both video games and anime have neither. Not wishing to start ww3 here but games like Halo and Gears use almost entirely fictional weapons. Games like COD have weapons largely based on real firearms with a few fictional ones thrown in, just like most anime. The difference is Anime seems to get an easier ride where the rules are concerned, why is that? *stands off soap box* --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 11:25, 26 November 2016 (EST)
:(Lots of) Anime shows are known for their super-realistic portrayal of firearms, to a point that it's almost surreal in some of them. There's even one show out there (forget its name) where the characters are ''literally'' personified real-world guns. Japan as a whole has a rather fond culture built around firearms despite most of the populace having no access to them, and besides Anime and television you can also see it elsewhere - Japanese Airsoft companies and replica manufacturers are known for being almost perfect recreations of the real thing (albeit made out of plastic.) I once owned a Tokyo Marui Glock 17 and unless you looked down the barrel or saw it be cocked or fired you'd have no way of knowing it wasn't a real gun. The problem with a lot of these new CoD games is that their weapons seem to be more fictional than real now.

: There's also a general stigma against the Call of Duty series here that's hard to ignore, a lot of people don't like where the games have gone (or the fact that there are so many) and don't want to advertise them on IMFDb. I'm not sure ''why'' this one in particular hasn't been unlocked because it features more than a few real weapons, but that's the reasoning in general. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 02:03, 27 November 2016 (EST)

:: I'm not aware of any anime pages that have 'fictional weapons'. As said by Simpleton (and as is indeed stated in the [[Rules]]), anime generally has very detailed artwork of what are still very much ''real'' firearms, and thus we list them as they are present in enough detail to ID and be ID'd. Likewise the point for Video Games is to chronicle appearances of what are otherwise ''real'' weapons. Fictional firearms, that is non-real guns, we generally don't list and are frowned upon for listing. Fictional pieces that are based on real weapons are in a somewhat grey area, and that seems to be where the holdup is here. With that I must note that the central point of the site is identify and chronicle appearances of actual firearms, ergo, the point of this page should be to document all the actual guns that are it, and not necessarily document ''all'' the guns that are in it. Obfuscate all you want but it seems mostly simple to me. Try to work more with what the site is actually about, and not work so hard with what the site ''isn't'' about. While I personally agree with the 'stigma' of CoD games, I don't think that applies so much here. If anything it being a CoD game would be a point for inclusion for the sake of completion of a series/franchise. '''That all being said''', I agree with SeanWolf above that the page could be allowed certainly to document any actual/real firearms, perhaps some other pieces that pass muster (that is, clearly based on a real-world firearm), while the other more questionable pieces should either be ignored or listed here on the discussion page as is done on other pages. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 03:30, 27 November 2016 (EST)

The Show is [[Upotte]] --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 04:24, 27 November 2016 (EST)

Okay so i don't do Anime, but having a 2 second browse i noticed that "A certain scientific railgun" has a fictional grenade launcher and rotary cannon. These are included on the basis that they "look like/resemble/ at least based on" real world firearms, which they both are. Okay. So the EBR800 from IW looks like/resembles/at least based on an M21/M14 so that should be included on any IW page. Whilst the Dingo from Blops 3 is an entirely fictional weapon, someone (not me) could argue that the Ripper from IW/Ghosts "resembles/ at least based on" a p90. Meanwhile the CZN in Ghost in Shell gets by on the same rules without question (cool looking piece tho). The same could nearly be said about the MA5 series from Halo but would be rejected, yet "Active Raid" has x3 entirely fictional rifles. One of which has the same "shape" as an F2000! For me this is a firearms database of guns in movies and other media and therefore a purely fictional weapon such as the Dingo has no real place. My issue is many Anime pages seem to almost avoid this rule and I guess that, as stated above, COD is an easy hate target for its copy and paste MP formula. However, I do accept most anime very accurately portray modern firearms, if only i could get past the "Asian weird-ness" anime/Metal Gear seems to have :( P.S i do really like the Dingo--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 14:02, 27 November 2016 (EST)

:: Well, though a specific ID is skethcy, there at least ''are'' MGLs in existence - They aren't some future garb. At least it isn't listed as a specific model. The rotary cannons I personally think is pushing it some, but whatever, again, they are not actually listed as M197s. I personally agree and think "Active Raid" should perhaps have some of those pieces moved/removed. Honestly, IMO, there should be a serious re-appraisal of a lot of VG and Anime pages, which I'd do but I don't run things and frankly am more interested in film and TV anyway. Thing here is I feel game pages want to lean a lot to listing fictional pieces as actual weapons with the stipulation they are 'based of' said pieces, which I think is really pushing it. Even if not, I still think it's rather pushing it personally. That said, most Anime pages showcase real firearms and do so well, you said this yourself. A couple/few pages that may not necessarily follow the standards of the site hardly make a rule. My point still stands - Too many folks are expending a lot of effort to obfuscate and focus more on something that is not really the central point of the site. They should be grateful the site even allows video games at all - It didn't always, and seeing all this effort spent debating this crap makes me think maybe that wasn't so crummy a decision after all. Again, primary point is to showcase real firearms - anything else should more likely be left as trivia or omitted. funkychinaman has made good points before about opening doors we don't want opened, this I feel is definitely one of those times - Again, I think some stuff should be seriously re-evaluated, and if that means some existing pages get hacked down or even nixed completely to keep this place from spilling into things it really shouldn't, so be it. Anyway, as stated below you guys got the ability to make a page here and now, I hope y'all do well on it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:25, 27 November 2016 (EST)

'''The page has been unlocked. Happy editing. :)''' [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:34, 27 November 2016 (EST)

== Will this game will have a page? ==

I'm waiting for this page. There's a AK Variant, M4 Variant, M1 Variant, UMP45, Intervention, M1 Garand, SPAS-12, ARX-160, P90 Variant, and more.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 14:20, 28 November 2016 (EST)

== Rules for the main page ==

The page is now unlocked, but in order to prevent needless deleting/moving of things that clearly don't deserve to be there, here are a couple of rules I would suggest for anyone who wants to make this page. I would suggest splitting the weapons up into three categories, "Real", "Hybrid" and "Fictional". "Real" weapons should go without saying, they are real unmodified weapons, they can go on the main page. "Hybrid" weapons can also go on the main page, and these are the weapons that are HEAVILY based on real weapons. By that I mean things like the P90 with the magazine moved back or the Vector with the extra magazine. Because the Erad has a grip a bit like a P90, that isn't enough. That is a "Fictional" weapon, and it goes on the discussion page. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:02, 29 November 2016 (EST)
:Agree--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 13:35, 29 November 2016 (EST)
::Yep, just like I proposed previously, and like we've done with the BO3 page. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:05, 29 November 2016 (EST)

== More loose basis ==

Looking at some weapons, I noticed a few things. Firstly, the DCM-8 seems to take its pistol grip straight from an XM25, and I think I saw some other weapons with the same grip, too. Now, here's an odd one: I think that the Oni is actually based on the VBR-Belgium PDW. Now, before you reach through your screen and start strangling me, just hear me out. I understand that it's a long shot, but it seems to me like the developers started with the PDW model, turned the bolt into some sort of energy cell, moved the pistol grip up so as to make the P90-style foregrip into a trigger guard, and thus turning the trigger guard into a thumbhole stock, sans the "stock" bit, then warped the shape further, and Bob's your uncle. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:57, 2 December 2016 (EST)
::Well, looking at the Oni, I do see where you're coming from as I see some hints of the PDW in there. As you said, it's a long shot...though the so-called 'Epic' version doesn't help in IDing it properly either.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 18:13, 2 December 2016 (EST)
:Well yeah, it's my opinion too that the VBR PDW is the closest match for the Oni; it's not like you're off topic. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:46, 2 December 2016 (EST)
:::This is exactly the sort of gun that goes on the talk page, not on the main page. I really don't think you can justify [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Oni_menu_icon_IW.png this] really being substantially based on [http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/26/Vbr-b-compact.jpg this]. There are zero parts of it which seem to indicate it is based on a VBR-Belgium PDW, to my eye at least. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:05, 2 December 2016 (EST)
::::I agree that it should be a talk page gun, but as for the lack of basis, well, suit yourself. I can see it pretty clearly, but different people see different things in the same things (sorry for sounding like a philosopher there). [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:54, 3 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Eh, obviously it doesn't deserve to be on the main page. On another note c552, direct links to Wikia images end up displaying them as thumbnails, so I had to replace your link by that of the image page (control-F5 the link if the quality of the new image link is messy). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:35, 5 December 2016 (EST)

== KBS Longbow ==

This sniper look so familiar. I was thinking about the MSR, Ballista, or another Intervention (I hope not because we have two Intervention in the game)--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 11:02, 5 December 2016 (EST)

== Weapons I know ==

This is my personal opinion. If I'm wrong, correct me

NV4 - M4A1 Carbine

R3K - QBZ-95

KBAR-32 - TAR-21

Type-2 - FMG9

Volk - AK47

FHR-40 - P90

Karma-45 - Vector

HVR - UMP45

R. A. W. - Ameli

Mauler - Unknown

Titan - Unknown

KBS Longbow - Remington MSR

EBR-800 - M14 (I don't about the M1 Garand)

Windowmaker - Intervention

DMR-1 - M1 Garand

Reaver - KSG-12

Banshee - Unknown

DCM-8 - Unknown

Rack-9 - SPAS-12

EMC - Unknown

Oni - Unknown

Kendall 44 - Glock (I Think)

Hailstorm - MP412 REX (Not Sure)

Spartan SA3 - MAAWS

P-LAW - Unknown

Howitzer - GM-94 (Not Sure)--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 00:30, 6 December 2016 (EST)
:Not so sure about some of those, but others seem right. Also, I heard someone saying that the Mauler resembles the KAC ChainSAW from Ghosts. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 18:30, 6 December 2016 (EST)

EBR is definitely based on an M14. Even name gives it away presumably meaning Enhanced Battle Rifle. Personally i think the R3K and KBAR take inspiration from a number of bullpups but i think its pushing it a bit to tie them down to those particular rifles. Mauler did remind me of KAC chainsaw though. Given the preference by COD developers to re-skin weapons into new design (look at EPM3 from AW as a perfect example) you may find these weapons started life as real weapons before the designers altered them. But they could have easily started out as fictional weapons to begin with. Perhaps try a side-by-side comparison on the KBAR/Tar21 etc....--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:12, 9 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not trying to start a fight Treliazz but honestly where do you see the KBAR resemblance with the Tar-21? Just because it's bullpup? It has an AR-15 type charging handle plus thumbhole grip but just saying imo it looks nothing like it, the others, i agree with you--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 14:07, 9 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:FB MSBS Grot

2016-12-09T13:30:31Z

Death Shadow20: /* Differences between MSBS and ACR */

=Additional Images=
[[file:Msbs gpbo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon with GPBO-40 - 5.56x45mm. (2012-2013 design. Final version).]]
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon "Prototype 1" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon "Prototype 2" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon "Prototype 3" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[file:MSBS-5.56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (2011 mock-up) - 5.56x45mm]]
[[file:MSBS-5.56B Prototype 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56B Radon "Prototype 1" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[file:MSBS-5.56B Prototype 2.jpg|thumb|none|401px|MSBS-5.56B Radon "Prototype 2" - 5.56x45mm]]
[[file:Msbs2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56 Radon Series; on the left, compact carbine, standard rifle, grenadier rifle, and what appear to be respectively a light support weapon (note extended magazine) and marksman rifle version. On the right, standard rifle (with some kind of muzzle device fitted), light support weapon and marksman rifle.]]

=Discussion=

== "Radon" ==
I was wondering whether we should refer to the MSBS as the "Radon". As far as I know, it was a name that won a contest hosted by a Polish magazine (can't remember which), but the creators of the rifle never referred to it as such. Officially it's still the "MSBS 5,56", with Radon being a fan-made nickname. [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] ([[User talk:Tanaj|talk]]) 09:51, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
:It was "Strzal" magazine. You're right - "Radon" is not an official name for MSBS (though the contest was held with cooperation from FB Radom). Most gun magazines/portals, and FB themselves, refer to the gun as "MSBS-5,56K/B/R". "K" stays for "kolba" (stock) or "konwencjonalny" (conventional), "B" is for "bezkolbowy" (stock-less - bullpup) and "R" for "reprezentacyjny" (representational - variant for our honor guard). To add a bit of spice the 16" barrel variant of MSBS-5,56K is developed under military-funded program "MSBS", while short-barreled variant, LMG, DMR and MSBS-5,56B variants are developed under "MSBS-5,56 RAWAT" program funded by our Ministry of Science. "RAWAT" is made from words "Radom" (city of manufacturer) and "WAT" (Military Institute of Technology in Warsaw). MSBS-5,56R was private initiative of FB Radom and (oh irony!) have biggest chances to be actually fielded (our honor guards use 50 years old SKS rifles). [[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 16:04, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

== Also appear in Crossfire ==

http://crossfirefps.wikia.com/wiki/MSBS-5.56 also I made some screen on my tablet, but I dont known how to upload it. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:13, 10 November 2016 (EST)
:You can find '''Upload file''' in toolbox at the bottom left. [[IMFDB Style Guide]] contain useful advices on editing pages. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:00, 10 November 2016 (EST)
They are PGN so it dont let me upload. But good this page got a new entry :) --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 10:23, 7 December 2016 (EST)

== Differences between MSBS and ACR ==

Somebody can explain me? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:59, 9 December 2016 (EST)
:Internally speaking, the ACR is akin to an AR-15 while the Radon is similar to a G36, they just happen to look almost the same but one can notice the various external parts, the MSBS has a different takedown lever and placement of screws AND charging handle (ACR = on the handguard, MSBS = on the reciever).--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:30, 9 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3

2016-10-30T09:02:54Z

Death Shadow20: /* New weapons ID in workbench video */