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Talk:The Evil Within

2015-10-19T20:44:21Z

DRC92: /* Holster */

==Revolver==
Hey everyone, this is my first page! And I personally don't think it's too shabby, if I must say so.

Anywho, the primary firearm of this game seems to be a revolver of some sort. It's been too hard for me to ID, and there aren't too many good images of it. I do remember in the extended gameplay demo, it was briefly seen in the inventory menu. I don't have a picture of it, but I remember it looked like a Smith and Wesson Model 29, perhaps? It was depicted as a traditional six round, heavy caliber, double action revolver with a swing out cylinder. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 20:28, 16 January 2014 (EST)

: Pretty gruesome screenshot for the revolver. No other one? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:37, 16 January 2014 (EST)

:: I only chose that screenshot because it showed the closest shot of the revolver I could find. Thanks for whoever updated it as well, I would've never guessed it was a Model 10. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 17:59, 17 January 2014 (EST)

:::Given that it has an adjustable rear sight and a shroud over the ejector rod (which the 10 lacks), I've corrected it to the Model 19.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] ([[User talk:PistolJunkie|talk]]) 21:25, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

I believe the revolver is the hybrid as the front of the gun is angled and the top of the trigger is bent (don't know the right word for it), both are signs of it being a Colt. [[User:RandomYoungPerson|RandomYoungPerson]] ([[User talk:RandomYoungPerson|talk]]) 04:17, 10 November 2014 (EST)

== Possible M1911 ==

In a recent trailer, this scene was shown.

It's only seen for a few seconds, but I'm definitively seeing some sort of 1911 in there. Should I just put it in as "M1911" with a description along the lines of "An unknown M1911 series pistol is seen."?
[[File:TEW M1911.jpg|700px|thumb|none|Detective on the right has an M1911 style pistol.]] --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:23, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Had a closer look in game, and it looks like a wooden gripped M1911A1, would post screens but I'm playing on XBONE not PC, sorry. [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 11:15, 16 October 2014 (GMT)

== Also, Model 10 screen ==

Better shot of what may be the SW Model 10 revolver from the same trailer. Looks Model 10-y to me. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 21:33, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
[[File:TEW Model 10.jpg|700px|thumb|none|What can only be the main villain grasps Sebastian with his Model 10 in hand.]]

== Sniper Rifle ==

Kinda looks like a MAS-36 with other rifle parts hybrid.

[[Image:Sniperevilwithin.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 22:46, 14 October 2014 (EDT)

Agreed, looks like a MAS-36 with a Druganov style skeleton stock [[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 11:12, 16 October 2014 (GMT)

== List of firearms ==

I thought I would post about ones I have seen, since i don't really have the capacity to take good sceencaps.

There is the sniper rifle which looks kinda like a MAS-36 which both the player and enemies use.

I think the guess with the Smith & Wesson Model 10 and Winchester Model 1897 are true, I think the shotgun is the Winchester Model 1897 "Trench Gun"

There is another revolver the player can acquire called the magnum which looks like the Colt Python with 6" Barrel and nickel finish.

Julie Kidman and Joseph Oda look like they carry 1911 style pistols possibly Colt Government or Browning Hi-Power. Some Haunted police enemies use them too.

Haunted SWAT enemies and SWAT carry what looks like Colt LE6940 Advanced Law Enforcement Carbine (with some make of scope and a shorter barrel.)

A vehicle similar to the M1038A1 Humvee is armed with a M2 Browning.

There is also a Double Barrel Shotgun you can get from pre-ordering which I think is a Stoeger/IGA Coach.

Also near the end of the game, a Sadist enemy uses a Panzerfaust 3 before being damaged and using his chainsaw again. You also use the Panzerfaust 3 at the end.

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 15:08, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

== Screenshots==

These should help identify which weapon is which.

[[File:TEWRevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWM1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWBurstHandgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWBoltActionRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWHighPenRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWMagnum.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWDBShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWPumpShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWMachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWRocketLauncher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWGrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Special:

[[File:TEWAgonyCrossbow.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[File:TEWKnife.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 17:59, 22 October 2014 (GMT)

Well, the Burst and Automatic handgun are M1911A1s without grips safeties nor beavertails. The Revolver looks like a Colt Trooper Mk. III, the Sniper Rifle looks like a mix between a K98, a MAS-36 and a Dragunov, for the HP Sniper I'll say Remington 700, but I'm not sure, the Magnum is either a Colt Anaconda with a cut down ejector lug, or a Colt Trooper Mk. V, the double-barrel looks generic, the Shotgun is a Remington 1897, I have no idea what the Machine Gun is, but it looks French, the Rocket Launcher is a Panzerfaust 3, the grenade is a Model 24 stielhandgranate with a fragmentation sleeve, no idea what the crossbow is, and the knife it's similar to the one in First Blood. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 18:03, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/SKS-M.png/1280px-SKS-M.png .See, this SKS-M style is similar to that in the game, although it has iron sights from MP5 variant or other, the barrel is modified, resembles the barrel of MP18 something or other and the stock is rather like SKS-M. [[User:PaulD21x|PaulD21x]] ([[User talk:PaulD21x|talk]]) 17:55, 22 October 2014 (VST)

::I honestly think the MG looks a lot like the Fedorov Avtomat. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:10, 6 November 2014 (EST)

== Holster ==

If anyone knows this type of shoulder holster it be greatly appreciated. It's unique as where most are crossed over in an "X" shape this one is connected by two horizontal straps. [[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])
:Not 100% but the closest I know off the top of my head http://www.ebay.com/itm/KOMBAT-COVERT-CROSS-DRAW-SHOULDER-HOLSTER-WITH-DOUBLE-MAG-POUCH-BLACK-/290859358104?hash=item43b8919798 Recently bought one myself --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 23:00, 06 October 2015 (GMT)
It's similar to that but it is in leather not nylon. [[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])

User:DRC92

2015-10-06T20:26:41Z

DRC92:

Name: Dylan B-day: Oct. 22 1992 State/City: Tucson, Arizona I'm one of the most unusal people when it comes to firearms.I can't stand those dumbass at the range who think they're special forces, which tend to me yelling at them and on a few occasions talking with my fist. I'm a Gunners Mate in the NAV. My favorite line ever is "There's no school like old school and I'm the head master".

'''Favorite Guns'''
Ak-47- gonna honnor my roots 
Sig Sauer- just a great frickin company
 
G36 series- not even gonna explain 
Western anything- except the peacemaker (good gun but not for me)
 
A select few M-16/m4 variants- sr-25, and a few others i can't name. 
H&K MK.23- uncle owns one and he said i get it in his will
 
1911 and all copys of it- but it can't be in 9mm
All shot guns except for over unders 
S&W4506 not the -1(not a fan of the straight grip) 
Just about any revolver

'''Least Favorite Guns'''
Most M-16/M4 models- hate the light weight of them 
All glocks- feels like i'm gonna crush it in my hands

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Talk:The Evil Within

2015-10-06T20:24:40Z

DRC92: /* Holster */ new section

Talk:Daniel Sunjata

2013-07-26T05:53:21Z

DRC92:

This guy is a piece of shit, he thinks the U.S. is behind 9/11 yet he played as a firefighter who was at ground zero. I'm sorry but he is the scum of the earth. And I do take this personal as a native new yorker and as a sailor. [[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])

Talk:Daniel Sunjata

2013-07-26T05:53:04Z

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Talk:Taylor Kitsch

2013-07-15T22:33:05Z

DRC92:

I heard a rumor (wikipedia)that he'll be playing the late Lt. Michael Murphy, anyone else heard this? And yes I'm giddy like a schoolgirl because of they're finally making it into a movie.[[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])

Talk:Taylor Kitsch

2013-07-15T22:32:45Z

DRC92: Created page with "I heard a rumor (wikipedia)that he'll be playing the late Lt. Michael Murphy, anyone else heard this? And yes I'm giddy like a schoolgirl because of they're finally making it ..."

I heard a rumor (wikipedia)that he'll be playing the late Lt. Michael Murphy, anyone else heard this? And yes I'm giddy like a schoolgirl because of they're finally making it into a movie.

Talk:SIG SG 550

2013-07-08T08:00:08Z

DRC92:

== Additional Variants ==
[[Image:SIG551-Closeup1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG SG 551 Closeup of side of the receiver - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SIG SG 553.jpg|thumb|450px|none|SIG SG 552 fitted with scope rail - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SIG SG 553-2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|SIG SG 552-2 with railed handguard, vertical foregrip, flashlight, and ACOG scope - 5.56x45mm]]

The top image looks like a 552, with the round bar charging handle, instead of a 553, which has a charging handle shaped like the one found on the 550/551. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 19:38, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
:Err, drat! I can't find any other images of a 553. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:38, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
::The Easier way to tell is that the 552 has fixed iron sights and a removable rail (locks into a lug at the front of the reciever, and a bolt extends into the rear sight), whereas the 552 has a fixed rail that conceals folding sights. Oddly the above picture is the one used on the Swiss Arms website for the 553, so someone there dosen't know the difference either. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:08, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
:::I did think the top one looked funny. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:21, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

I can't believe it took me so long to notice, but neither of these weapons are actually the SG 553. One way to tell is that the 553 is also fitted with a Brugger & Thomet (same company that makes the rail systems I believe) flash hider that allows for quick mounting of a suppressor. The other much more obvious way to tell is that the gun has SG 552-2 written on the side. I didn't realise this version existed, but apparently it does, and as far as I can tell the SG 552-2 is a flat top version of the 552 with folding BUIS, sa appart from the bolt and flash hider (although that can be switched) is identical to the 553. For example, one can be seen in [[The Unit]] before the 553 was released in 2009 (also has the 552 type charging handle). Below is the only non airsoft picture I can find of a 553, which is the semi auto version. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:32, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
[[File:SIG SG 553-1 SP.jpg|thumb|450px|none|SIG SG 553-1 SP with railed handguard - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:SIG 556 Green Furniture.jpg|thumb|450px|none|SIG SG 556 with green furniture - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:556DMR2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG SG 556 DMR with 20rd magazine, Magpul PRS stock, and Harris bipod - 5.56x45mm]]

== SG552/556 uppers ==

Does anyone know if the uppers for, say, an SG552 and a SG556 pistol are interchangeable? I ask because was looking at the SG553 in [[Salt]], and realised that the upper on it is identical to that of the [http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p556-swat.aspx SG556 SWAT pistol], which has a different front sight and flash hider to the SG553. Furthermore, the gun in Salt has a jet black upper, but the lower is the regualr SIG grey implying that it is built from two different guns. Below is a shot of the gun from the [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/ The Specialists Ltd's] website, who supplied the guns for this film, and they list it as an SG552, which from the charging handle it definitely isn't. The uppers of the two guns look the same shape, but are there less obvious differences that would make swapping them a no go? Also, would I be correct to assume that a US company would have an easier time fitting a 556 upper to a 550 series lower rather than getting a 553? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:01, 10 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:SIG 552 2tone.jpg|thumb|450px|none|]]

== SIG 750 ==

Can anyone find any information on the [[SIG 750]]?? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:02, 10 February 2012 (CST)
:First off, I think it should be "SIG SG 750", same as the other Swiss Arms rifles. I'm not sure if it is in production yet, but have found some figures. It has 3 barrel lengths:
:*Standard barrel: 455mm (18in) barrel, total length 960mm, total weight 3.63kg without magazine
:*Short barrel: 365mm (14in) barrel, total length 870mm, total weight 3.82kg without magazine
:*Long barrel: 520mm (20in barrel), total length 1025mm, total weight 3.96kg without magazine
:The magazine holds 20 rounds, weighs 140g unloaded and 480g loaded.
:All of this came from [http://www.swissarms.ch/fileadmin/editor/downloads/infomaterial/Swiss_Arms_Products_2011.pdf here]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:18, 10 February 2012 (CST)

Also, SG 750 is the full auto version, SG 751 is the civilian semi auto version. When it was initially designed back in 2005 it seemed to go by either SAPR (Swiss Arms Precision Rifle) for the long barrel version or SAPK (Swiss Arms Precision Kurz?) for the short barrel. I think this distinction has been abandoned and all are now called the SAPR, as there are 5 different barrel lengths available. I think the picture on the main page is of the old version of the SAPK (lower receiver has since changed), but not sure since the barrels are now different lengths. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:48, 11 February 2012 (CST)

== Merc go to gun ==

Why does it seems this is every gun-for-hire has this gun? And if its not this its a g36 or ak.[[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])

Talk:SIG SG 550

2013-07-08T07:59:44Z

DRC92: /* Merc go to gun */ new section

Talk:TDI Kard

2013-07-08T06:14:45Z

DRC92: /* Action */ new section

The official name is "KRISS KARD". TDI is the name of the company, and not weapons.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ygdoMGj1NU]
[http://gun.world.coocan.jp/cgi/gun/src/1293274055107.jpg]
--[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 05:20, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

:And Kriss (or rather Kriss Super V) is the name of the action, not the weapon. The pistol is just called the "Kard," TDI slaps "KRISS" in front of literally everything they manufacture because they're run by 13-year-old morons. They're now calling themselves KRISS USA (feel the allcaps), so "KRISS" in this thing's name is just the manfacturer name, which we're discarding since we're calling them TDI. Though they were slapping KRISS in front of the names of everything on their site before that, including things like the KRISS sling and KRISS tactical pack which weren't even guns.

:To give you some idea of the kind of people we're talking about here, ''their'' official name for the gun sane people call the Vector was "TDI KRISS Super V Vector XSMG." They are the ultimate mall ninja gun company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:02, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

== tdi system ==

i have looked at the system of the super v it is mechanicaly sound and recoil stablising i look for good engineers i leave the naming to the pr chumps
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 07:27, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

== Second image ==

I'd be the first to agree that it's a better image, but it also has a watermark specifically stating it's copyrighted. If someone wants to ask the guy's permission to use it here that's fine and good, but we can hardly complain about people nicking MPM's images if we transparently do the same thing to other people's. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:53, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

== Glock, No? ==

Doesn't it look like a GLOCK? Seriously, is it only obvious to me?

::The squarer profile of the upper portion of the weapon is somewhat reminiscent, but I never would have made that connection unless you brought it up. --<BIG>''-Chris'''</BIG><BIG>'''J-''</BIG> [[Special:Contributions/Chris_Jeremic|''' CONTRIBUTIONS''']] 05:07, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

I think the Glock style sights gave it away. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 09:59, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

== Action ==

So i agree with you guys, they're morons in the company. But I will admit that they did make one hell of a system.

Talk:The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

2013-07-08T05:06:33Z

DRC92:

is this the movie with the "badges we dont need no stinking badges" line?

yeah --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:47, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

The correct line is "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges." I have no idea where badges? we don't need no stinking badges".[[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])

User:DRC92

2013-07-06T18:44:00Z

DRC92:

Name: Dylan B-day: Oct. 22 1992 State/City: Tucson, Arizona I'm one of the most unusal people when it comes to firearms. I love them but feel that no one should privately own a full auto gun. Unless it's been in the family or has some historical meaning to it. Also I can't stand those dumbass at the range who think they're special forces, which tend to me yelling at them and on a few occasions talking with my fist. I'm a Gunners Mate in the NAVY after. My favorite line ever is "There's no school like old school and I'm the head master".

'''Favorite Guns'''
Ak-47- gonna honnor my roots 
Sig Sauer- just a great frickin company
 
G36 series- not even gonna explain 
Western anything- except the peacemaker (good gun but not for me)
 
A select few M-16/m4 variants- sr-25, and a few others i can't name. 
H&K MK.23- uncle owns one and he said i get it in his will
 
1911 and all copys of it- but it can't be in 9mm
All shot guns except for over unders 
S&W4506 not the -1(not a fan of the straight grip) 
Just about any revolver

'''Least Favorite Guns'''
Most M-16/M4 models- hate the light weight of them 
All glocks- feels like i'm gonna crush it in my hands

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Band of Brothers

2013-06-26T03:56:52Z

DRC92:

{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name= Band of Brothers
|picture = Bob.jpg
|caption =
|country = [[File:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|channel = HBO
|genre = War
|creator = [[Steven Spielberg]] [[Tom Hanks]]
|dates = 2001
|language = English German
|seasons =
|episodes = 10
|character1=Richard Winters
|actor1=[[Damian Lewis]]
|character2=Donald Malarkey
|actor2=[[Scott Grimes]]
|character3=Lewis Nixon
|actor3=[[Ron Livingston]]
|character4=Carwood Lipton
|actor4=[[Donnie Wahlberg]]
|character5=Denver "Bull" Randleman
|actor5=[[Michael Cudlitz]]
|character6=George Luz
|actor6=[[Rick Gomez]]
|character7=Frank Perconte
|actor7=[[James Madio]]
|character8=Lynn "Buck" Compton
|actor8=[[Neal McDonough]]
|character9=William "Wild Bill" Guarnere
|actor9=[[Frank John Hughes]]
}}
'''''Band of Brothers''''' is the 2001 HBO World War II miniseries produced by [[Tom Hanks]] and [[Steven Spielberg]]. Based on the best-selling book by the late historian Stephen Ambrose, the 10-part miniseries followed the men of "Easy" Company of the 101st Airborne Division from their basic training, through D-Day and up until the capture of Hitler's Eagle's Nest.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the miniseries ''Band of Brothers'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Allied Weapons=
==Handguns==

=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911A1]] was the standard sidearm of US Forces during World War II. Issued to officers, NCOs and those in positions where a rifle or carbine was not desirable, the pistol quickly became a favored item among Allied troops because of its stopping power. The M1911A1 is seen in various episodes of ''Band of Brothers''. In "Currahee" (Ep.1), Capt. Herbert M. Sobel ([[David Schwimmer]]) can be seen running with one during training exercises. David Webster ([[Eion Bailey]]) threatens a baker with one in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9). In "Points" (Ep.10), Capt. Ronald Spiers ([[Matthew Settle]]) uses his M1911A1 to threaten both the doctor and the drunk American soldier who shot Chuck Grant. Joe Leibgott ([[Ross McCall]]) shoots a German officer in "Points" with a M1911.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|World War II issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Bob11911.jpg|none|thumb|601px|An Easy Company Paratrooper firing an M1911A1 during training exercises in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob119111.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Captain Sobel ([[David Schwimmer]]) is seen holding an M1911A1 in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob31911.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company Paratrooper fires an M1911A1 at a Fallschirmjäger in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob61911.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In "Bastogne" (Ep.6), Sgt. "Mo" Alley pulls out Smokey Gordon's pistol after he is wounded.]]
[[Image:Bob81911.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Vest angrily attempts to shoot a prisoner in "The Last Patrol" (Ep.8)]]
[[Image:Bob919111.jpg|none|thumb|600px|David Webster ([[Eion Bailey]]) points his M1911A1 (curiously with white dots on the rear-pistol sights) at a belligerent German baker in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9).]]
[[Image:Bob919112.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another angle of Webster with his M1911A1 in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9).]]
[[File:BoB 311.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points" (Ep.10), Capt. Ronald Spiers ([[Matthew Settle]]) uses his M1911A1 to threaten both the doctor and the drunk replacement who shot Chuck Grant.]]

=== Colt New Service Revolver M1917 ===
Floyd "Tab" Talbert ([[Matthew Leitch]]) is given a [[Colt New Service]] revolver as a gift on June 4th 1944 in "Currahee" (Ep. 1), he is seen armed with it in "Carentan" (Ep. 3).
[[Image:Colt New Army .357.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt New Service 1935-1936 .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:Bob1colt.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"You gotta love cops!" Floyd "Tab" Talbert receives the Colt New Service revolver mailed to him from his local police department.]]

=== Mauser C96 ===
A French soldier is seen executing Wehrmacht prisoners with a [[Mauser C96|C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser]] in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9).
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|C96 Broomhandle Mauser - 7.63x25mm.]]
[[Image:Bob9c96.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A French soldier shoots the Wehrmacht prisoners.]]

==Submachine Guns==
=== M1A1 Thompson ===
Also known as the "Tommy gun" or "Fast gun", the [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1A1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompson]] was the standard issue submachine gun for US Forces in WWII. As such, many of Easy Company's officers and NCOs are shown carrying the Thompson as their standard weapon. Notable paratroopers who carry the weapon include Lt. Ronald Speirs ([[Matthew Settle]]), Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]), Lt. Lynn "Buck" Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]), Sgt. William "Wild Bill" Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]), and Sgt. Johnny Martin ([[Dexter Fletcher]]). The M1 Thompson was too expensive and complex to produce by the Normandy invasion and the M1A1, which simply incorporated a fixed firing pin as part of the bolt, made it far easier for mass production and less expensive. 50 round drum magazines were never issued by the United States Army, being too bulky and unreliable, and the M1A1 was not designed to use a 50 round drum due to a cost-saving redesign of the magazine well. This fact is accurately represented through the series, with the Thompsons always using 30-round "stick" magazines.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|[[M1A1 Thompson]] .45 Caliber ACP]]
[[Image:Bob1maruim1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Currahee", Sgt. Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) holding an M1A1 Thompson with the bolt closed.]]
[[Image:Bob1m1a1.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In "Currahee", Easy Company men fire their Thompsons during training exercises in England.]]
[[Image:Bob3tm1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|During a flashback scene in "Carentan", Lt. Ronald Speirs ([[Matthew Settle]]) raises his Thompson M1A1 to execute a group of German prisoners. In the book "Band of Brothers", a photo of the real Speirs shows him holding an M1928A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:ComptonThompson.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Lt. Lynn "Buck" Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]) loads his Thompson in "Day of Days".]]
[[Image:ComptonThompson2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), Compton realizes that his Thompson has jammed.]]
[[Image:Bob2tm1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), Bill Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]) fires his Thompson]]
[[Image:Bob2tm1a12.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), Guarnere ducks with his M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a1t1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Crossroads", Johnny Martin holds his Thompson on Polish SS soldiers.]]
[[Image:Bob6m1a1t1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Johnny Martin fires his Thompson in "Bastogne".]]
[[Image:SpeirsThompson2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Breaking Point", Ronald Speirs with his Thompson during his mad dash through Foy.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1a1t1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Jones ([[Colin Hanks]]) cleans his Thompson before a mission in "The Last Patrol".]]
[[Image:Bob8m1a1t2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"Popeye" Wynn fires his Thompson in "The Last Patrol"]]
[[File:BoB 310.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. John Janovec ([[Tom Hardy]]) has the M1A1 Thompson slung in "Points" (Ep.10).]]

=== M3A1 "Grease Gun" ===
The [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] was the cheap, inexpensive replacement for the Thompson Sub Machine Gun; It is only shown in the hands of Roy Cobb ([[Craig Heaney]]). The use of the later M3A1 variant as opposed to the original M3 is anachronistic for the earlier episodes where they are fighting in France and Holland, as it was not introduced until December 1944.
[[File:Grease3 2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M3A1 Grease Gun as used in Band of Brothers]]
[[Image:Bob4m3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Roy Cobb ([[Craig Heaney]]) fires his Grease Gun in the episode "Replacements". Next to him is Lt. Peacock holding an M1 Carbine and Webster with his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:M3A1GreaseGun.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cobb is the only one with a Grease Gun, as the rest, including David Webster, has an [[M1 Garand]], as they search for Sgt. Randleman.]]
[[Image:Bob5m3a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Roy Cobb ([[Craig Heaney]]) fires his Grease Gun in the episode "Crossroads."]]
[[Image:M3A1GreaseGunBarrel3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"How many Krauts are left up there?". Cobb reloading his M3A1.]]
[[Image:Bob5m3a12.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another shot of Cobb firing his Grease Gun.]]
[[Image:BoBM3A1GreaseGunCobb.jpg|none|thumb|600px|To the far left is a good view Cobb's Grease Gun from the right side.]]
[[Image:GreaseGunandBAR.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cobb at the bottom right tries to knock out the sniper that had just hit Frank Perconte in the ass. Behind him is Heron with his [[Browning Automatic Rifle]].]]

==Rifles==
===M1903A3 Springfield===
Pvt. Gordon is seen with an [[M1903 Springfield#1903A3 Springfield Rifle|M1903A3 Springfield]] in the beginning, when Blithe joins them to find Easy Co. It's clearly not a captured Kar98k because of a shorter barrel, and front sights are different. It's seen later in the episode in the hands of a paratrooper who looses his fingers during the counter attack.
[[Image:Springfield03A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The '''World War II Springfield Rifle''' - the Model 03-A3. This was a simplified version of the 1903 to supplement the [[M1 Garand]] for troops in World War II - .30-06]]
[[Image:BoBM1903A3Springfield.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The M1903 Springfield is seen slung on the back of Pvt. Gordon, who is also carrying an Browning M1919A4.]]
[[Image:BoB M1903 Springfield 2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Springfield is seen in front of Blithe, who is carrying an [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:M1903Barrel.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The barrel is now clearly shown (circled), notice it doesn't have the bayonet lunge like in the Kar98k.]]
[[Image:Bob319031.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A paratrooper gets his finger shot off during the fight at Carentan.]]
[[Image:Bob319032.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The bolt action is seen on the paratrooper's rifle.]]

=== M1 Garand ===
Standard issue rifle of the US military during WWII, many of Easy Company's paratroopers are shown carrying the [[M1 Garand]] as their standard weapon. Most notable are Lieutenant (Later Captain/Major) Richard "Dick" Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]), Shifty Powers ([[Peter Youngblood Hills]]) and Joseph Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]). The Garand can be seen with and without a bayonet.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|500px|none|[[M1 Garand]] .30-06]]
[[Image:Bob1m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Currahee" (Ep.1), Frank Perconte ([[James Madio]]) gets his M1 Garand inspected by Capt. Herbert Sobel ([[David Schwimmer]]).]]
[[Image:Bob2m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) fires his Garand during the battle of Brecourt Manor in "Day of Days" (Ep.2).]]
[[File:BoB 332.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Gerald Lorraine ([[Simon Fenton]]) opens fire with the M1 Garand during the battle of Brecourt Manor in "Day of Days" (Ep.2).]]
[[Image:PowersGarand2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Shifty Powers ([[Peter Youngblood Hills]]) aims his Garand at a German sniper in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:TipperGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Tipper ([[Bart Ruspoli]]) fires his Garand from the hip in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:BOB1f06.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Albert Blythe ([[Marc Warren]]) prepares to fire his M1 Garand in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob3m1g4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Blythe frantically reloads his Garand as Winters continues to fire in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob3m1g5.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Blythe fires his Garand in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob4m1g2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Hashey ([[Mark Huberman]]) sees that his M1 Garand has jammed in "Replacements" (Ep.4).]]
[[Image:BoB 005.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Miller ([[James McAvoy]]) holds his M1 Garand while under fire in "Replacements" (Ep.4)]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"First on the right!" Pvt. Garcia ([[Douglas Spain]]) readies his Garand in "Crossroads" (Ep.5).]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Dukeman holds the Garand in "Crossroads" (Ep.5).]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Crossroads" (Ep.5), (Capt.) Winters shoots a young SS soldier with his Garand.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters fires from the hip with his Garand in "Crossroads" (Ep.5).]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g6.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Ping! Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) empties his Garand on the German soldiers.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1gfb.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A bayonet is affixed on a Garand before the charge in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:LiptonGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) with his Garand in "The Breaking Point."]]
[[Image:LiebgottGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Joe Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]) with his Garand in Foy.]]
[[Image:PerconteGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Frank Perconte ([[James Madio]]) fires his Garand before being hit in the ass by a German Sniper.]]
[[Image:LiptonGarand2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lipton fires his Garand in Foy.]]
[[Image:PowersGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Shifty Powers ([[Peter Youngblood Hills]]) demonstrates his marksman skills in Foy.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Shifty Powers darkens his M1's front sight using the carbon from a lighter in "The Last Patrol".]]

=== M1 Carbine ===
The [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by 2nd Lt. Henry Jones ([[Colin Hanks]]) in the episode "The Last Patrol". It is also seen carried by several US marines fighting in Okinawa in newsreel footage.
[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|World War Two Era [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbine]], with Dark Walnut Stock, 'L' peep sight and no bayonet lug - correct for most of WWII, shown with khaki sling and oiler and a period Magazine pouch for buttstock]]
[[Image:Bob8m1c.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Jones running with his Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob8m1c2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Henry Jones with his Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob10m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Marines in Okinawa with a Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob10m1clm.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Marines in Okinawa with a Carbine]]

=== M1A1 Carbine ===
Originally issued to non-combat personnel or those who needed a compact weapon, the M1 Carbine was never meant to be a front-line weapon, nevertheless it was ideal for Airborne troops for its small frame and its compactness. The paratrooper version of the M1 (identified as the "M1A1 Carbine" has the distinct collapsible buttstock and handgrip. The [[M1 Carbine#M1A1 Carbine|M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine]] is shown extensively throughout the series most notably in the hands of Donald Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]), Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]), Warren "Skip" Muck ([[Richard Speight, Jr.]]), Lt. Norman Dike, George Luz ([[Rick Gomez]]), and Capt. Lewis Nixon ([[Ron Livingston]]).
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M1A1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob1m1c.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]) gets his M1A1 carbine inspected by Capt. Sobel in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[File:BoB 314.jpg|none|thumb|600px|On the left, 1st Sgt. William Evans ([[Simon Pegg]]) holds the M1A1 carbine in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:BOB05.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey with his M1A1 in "Day of Days".]]
[[Image:LiptonCarbine.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) fires his M1A1 while sitting in a tree during the battle of Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:Bob2m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey cocks his M1A1 during the battle of Brécourt Manor.]]
[[Image:MalarkeyCarbine2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey runs through enemy fire with his M1A1 as he tries to grab what he thinks is a Luger.]]
[[Image:Bob3m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Luz ([[Rick Gomez]]) fires his Carbine as the 101st tries to take the town of Carentan.]]
[[Image:LuzCarbine.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Luz with his Carbine.]]
[[Image:Bob3m1c2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) fires his M1A1 Carbine in the episode "Carentan"]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a11.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company member fires his M1A1 carbine in the episode "Crossroads"]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a12.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another Easy Company member fires his M1A1 carbine in the episode "Crossroads"]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Peacock spots another German company coming over the hill.]]
[[Image:Bob6m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Norman Dike holds his M1A1 Carbine during Bastogne.]]
[[Image:Bob9m1a1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Luz ([[Rick Gomez]]) with his M1A1 Carbine.]]

===Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I===
The [[SMLE|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I]] rifle is shown briefly being carried over the shoulder of a British sentry in Episode 3 "Carentan". French soldiers are seen with the rifles when German prisoners are rounded up in Episode 9 "Why We Fight".
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War II, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. In service between 1941–Present.]]
[[Image:Band of Brothers Lee-Enfield.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Lee-Enfield carried by a British sentry in "Carentan."]]
[[Image:Bob9smle.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A French soldier holds the Lee-Enfield rifle as German prisoners are rounded up and shot in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9).]]

==Machine Guns==
===Browning Automatic Rifle===
The [[Browning Automatic Rifle]], or "B.A.R" was the standard Squad Automatic Weapon for U.S. rifle squads in WWII. It is shown in parts 4-9 being primarily used by Cpl. Heron.
[[Image:BAR.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Browning Automatic Rifle]]
[[Image:Bob4bar1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cpl. Heron holds the BAR in "Replacements".]]
[[Image:Bob4bar2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Replacements", Cpl. Heron is seen with the BAR next to Sgt. Randleman ([[Michael Cudlitz]]).]]
[[Image:Bob4bar3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Heron provides cover with the BAR.]]
[[Image:Bob5bar1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"Nail the machine gun." The BAR is set up to take out a German machine gun position in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob5bar2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The BAR with the bipod down is seen as the German machine gun position explodes.]]
[[File:HeronandWebster.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Heron running with his BAR with the bipod down, next to him is Webster with his [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:Bob5bar3.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Another shot of the BAR as Winters and the men of Easy Company charge up the berm in "Crossroads".]]
[[File:BARinBoBHeron.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Heron hits the dirt carrying his BAR with the bipod down, preparing to engage the SS troops in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob5bar5.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company paratrooper marches with his BAR slung.]]
[[Image:HeronBAR.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cpl. Heron with his BAR during the attack on Foy.]]
[[Image:Bob7bar2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Heron fires the BAR in "The Breaking Point".]]
[[Image:BoBHeronBARFoy.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The BAR from Heron's point of view as he tries to kill the German Sniper.]]

===M1919A4 .30 Caliber Machine Gun===
The [[Browning M1919A4]] .30 caliber machine gun is shown extensively in the hands of Easy company being used in both the defensive and offensive roles. The primary M1919A4 machine gun team of Easy Company in the series consisted of Smokey Gordon and Alton More. The 1919A4 is also shown being mounted on jeeps.
[[File:M1919a4 pre 1943.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Browning M1919A4, fitted with bolt latch - .30-06]]
[[Image:Bob11919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Curahee", an Easy company machine gun team sets up an M1919A4.30 cal during a wargame.]]
[[Image:Bob119191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy company machine gun team trains with the M1919A4 in "Curahee".]]
[[Image:MountedM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Mounted M1919A4 can be seen as Easy Company prepare for the assault on the guns.]]
[[Image:Bob21919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days", Pvt. Joe Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]) provides cover fire with M1919A4 as Winters and the men of Easy Company take out the German artillery battery at Brécourt Manor on D-Day.]]
[[Image:PettyLiebgottM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Cleveland Petty ([[Adam James]]) fires his M1919A4 as Pvt. Joe Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]) feeds him.]]
[[Image:Bob31919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company M1919A4 machine gun team provides cover fire during the assault on Carentan.]]
[[Image:GordonM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Walter "Smokey" Gordon ([[Ben Caplan]]) fires his M1919A4 from an upstairs window at fleeing Germans.]]
[[Image:GordonMoreM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Gordon and Alton More fire their M1919A4 at Bloody Gulch.]]
[[Image:GordonMoreM19192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Gordon and More firing the M1919A4.]]
[[Image:Bob519192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The machine gun crew of Alton More (seen setting up the tripod) and "Smokey" Gordon (seen carrying the M1919A4).]]
[[Image:Bob619193.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Smokey Gordon cocks his M1919 during the battle.]]
[[Image:Bob619194.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Alton More ([[Doug Allen]]) fires Smokey's M1919 after Smokey is wounded.]]
[[Image:Bob619191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "The Breaking Point", an M1919 is seen mounted on the jeep carrying Col. Sink and Gen. McAuliffe.]]
[[Image:Bob619195.jpg|none|thumb|600px|More continues to fire the M1919 during the battle of Bastogne.]]
[[Image:MachineGunTeamFoy.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Two Paratroopers provide covering fire with an M1919A4 during the assault on Foy in "The Breaking Point."]]
[[Image:Bob919191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvts. Hashey and Garcia prepare to be relieved of their M1919 machine gun position.]]
[[Image:Bob919192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Why We Fight", Pvt. O'Keefe is seen loading the M1919.]]
[[Image:Bob1019191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points", an M1919 is seen mounted on the jeep driven by Nixon and carrying Winters and Welsh as they enter the city of Berchtesgaden, Germany.]]

===M1919A6 .30 Caliber Machine Gun===
The [[Browning M1919A6]] variant with stock and bipod is seen carried and used primarily by Burton 'Pat' Christensen ([[Michael Fassbender]]). It is incorrectly a post WWII model fitted with the conical flash hider/muzzle booster.
[[File:1919A6 postWW2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Browning M1919A6 post WWII manufacture - .30-06]]
[[File:ChristensenwithM1919A6.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Christensen with his M1919A6 before the attack.]]
[[Image:Bob519191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|M1919A6 being fired in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob519195.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Burton 'Pat' Christensen fires his M1919A6 in the episode "Crossroads". The carrying handle at the front of the receiver is one indicator of this particular model.]]
[[Image:Bob719195.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In the episode "The Breaking Point", the M1919A6 is manned by (from left to right) Sgt. Christensen ([[Michael Fassbender]]), Pvt. Webb ([[Jordan Frieda]]), and Sgt. Perconte ([[James Madio]]).]]
[[Image:Bob619192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Burton 'Pat' Christensen ([[Michael Fassbender]]) yells to fall back in "The Breaking Point".]]
[[Image:Bob819191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Liebgott fires during the crossing of the river in the episode "The Last Patrol".]]

=== Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun ===
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun can be seen throughout the series. The weapon is usually mounted on either M4 Sherman tanks (as seen in "Carentan") or on the M8 Greyhound Armored Car as in "Why We Fight". Also making a prominent appearance, especially in "The Last Patrol" is the M51 Quad Mount which, though designed primarily for anti-aircraft use, had a devastating effect on ground targets and was available in either the towed or vehicle mounted versions (designated the ''M16 Quad Mount'').
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]]
[[Image:Bob3m2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Tank gunner fires from a Sherman]]
[[Image:Bob3m21.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Tank gunner fires from a Sherman]]
[[Image:Bob950hb.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Tank gunner loading his Browning M2HB]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|350px|none|The M51 Quad Mounted system similar to the one used in ''Band of Brothers'']]
[[Image:Bob850x41.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An AA M2 fires across the river]]
[[Image:Bob850x42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters stands next to the AA M2.]]
[[Image:Bob850x43.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Quad M2 is seen on the right.]]

==Other==

===M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"===
The [[M1 Bazooka|M1 Rocket Launcher]], affectionately known as the "Bazooka", was the standard anti-tank weapon for the US military during WWII. The Bazooka was excellent against bunkers and buildings, though its effectiveness against the more heavily armored German tanks is debatable. General Eisenhower remarked that "the Atom Bomb, Jeep, C-47 Sky Train and the Bazooka were the four weapons that won the war". The bazooka was copied by the Germans as the "Panzerschreck" launcher from a M1 Bazooka captured in North Africa. Generally operated by a two man crew (one gunner, one loader) crews quickly figured out that they needed to hit the side, rear or belly armor of armored vehicles, as shown in the episode "Carentan" (the episode also shows how the bazooka rounds would simply deflect off the heavy frontal armor). The bazooka makes notable appearances in the series being used by Sgt. Charles E. "Chuck" Grant ([[Nolan Hemmings]]) in the episode "Replacements" taking out a German machine gun and by John McGrath (Stephen Walters) and Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) in the episode "Carentan" disabling a German StuG III assault gun.
[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|[[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]] - 60mm]]
[[Image:Bob1m9b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company bazooka team fires a bazooka during a training exercise in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob3m9b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Carentan" (Ep.3), Pvt. Ed Tipper ([[Bart Ruspoli]]) uses a bazooka to take out a building during the battle of Carentan.]]
[[File:BoB 338.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Carentan" (Ep.3), Pvt. Ed Tipper ([[Bart Ruspoli]]) has the bazooka slung.]]
[[Image:WelshMcGrathBazooka.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) loads a round into the M1 bazooka held by John McGrath (Stephen Walters) in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob3m9b1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|McGrath tries to disable a StuG III with his M1 bazooka.]]
[[File:BoB 007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Grant ([[Nolan Hemmings]]) prepares to fire the M1 "Bazooka".]]
[[Image:Bob4m9b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Replacements", Sgt. Grant ([[Nolan Hemmings]]) fires the M1 Bazooka. ]]

===M9 Bazooka===
In "Points", Sgt. Grant appears to use an [[M9 Bazooka]] in an attempt to detonate the grenades placed on a man-made rock slide.
[[File:M9bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Bob10m1b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points", Sgt. Grant walks up to the roadblock with the bazooka.]]
[[Image:Bob10m1b1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Grant fires at a roadblock in the episode "Points".]]
[[Image:Bob10m1b2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Grant with the Bazooka.]]

=== M7 Rifle Grenade Launcher with M9A1 Rifle Grenades ===
Several soldiers are seen with [[M7 rifle grenade#M7 grenade launcher|M7 grenade launcher]]s mounted on their [[M1 Garand]]s. They are genearlly used to launch [[M9A1 Rifle Grenade]]s.
[[Image:M1 garand M7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M7 rifle grenade launcher]]
[[Image:M9A1 Rifle Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M9A1 Rifle Grenade]]
[[Image:Bob3m1rgl.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Cleveland Petty ([[Adam James]]) gets ready to launch another rifle grenade with the M7 launcher in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:Bob4m1rgl.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]) directs Cpl. Schmidt to fire the rifle grenade.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1gm7.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Johnny Martin ([[Dexter Fletcher]]) prepares to launch a rifle grenade in the episode "The Last Patrol". One thing to note is that the way he fires the weapon would have made him very sore. Rifle grenades use blanks that are compressed powder loads so firing like that would hurt, the military at that time taught soldiers to plant the butt of the rifle in the ground and use a special ladder sight attached to the front of the barrel to sight with. Also, you never actually see him load a blank round so we must assume he was wandering around in enemy territory with a blank chambered.]]

=== Mk II Hand Grenade ===
The [[Mk II Hand Grenade]] is used by several paratroopers in the series. Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) is seen using one to take out an MG42 team during the battle of Carentan. Paratroopers are seen piling [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s onto a enemy-made rock slide in an attempt to blow a hole in the roadblock.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:ComptonGrenade.jpg|none|thumb|600px|During the Battle of Brecourt Manor, Lt. Lynn "Buck" Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]) attempts to throw a MK II Grenade before it's knocked out of his hands in "Day of Days."]]
[[Image:BOB02.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) carries a MK II hand grenade on his webbing in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:WelshGrenade.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Welsh pulls the pin off a MK II Grenade.]]
[[Image:LiptonGrenade.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) prepares to clear out a warehouse with MK II Grenade.]]
[[Image:Bob10g.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In Part 10 "Points", Paratroopers place grenades in an attempt to clear a roadblock.]]

=== M18 Smoke Grenade ===
In "Crossroads", Cpt. Winters is seen throwing a [[M18 Smoke Grenade]] for red smoke to signal the charge.
[[Image:Bob5smoke.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A red smoke grenade thrown by Winters]]

=== M2 Flamethrower ===
When the Airborne paratroopers watch newsreel footage of the war in Pacific, a US marine is seen using an [[M2 Flamethrower]].
[[Image:M2_Flamethrower.jpg|none|thumb|200px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:Bob10m1fire.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A marine fires his flamethrower on Okinawa]]

=Axis Weapons=

==Handguns==
=== Luger P08 ===
A standard sidearm of German Forces during WWI and still in use in WWII, the [[Luger P08]] was a prized and coveted souvenir for Allied forces because of its elegant design. Malarkey is seen hunting around for one notably in "Day of Days". In "Bastogne", Corporal Hoobler ([[Peter McCabe]]) kills a German officer who has one, and then, later in the episode, it discharges in his pocket, which makes a fatal wound by hitting his femoral artery. It is later given to Sergeant Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]), who wanted one to bring home to his little brother. The real gun Hoobler found is a Belgian .32 and was not given to Malarkey. The Walther P38 was the standard issue during WWII, with many Lugers left over from WWI being re-used by some Germans as a sidearm. Though replaced officially by the P38, Mauser would continue producing the Luger until 1943; Evidence can be found on many Lugers with 30's and 40's markings as well as swastikas and eagles.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Luger P'08 pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bob1p081.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Currahee" (Ep.1), a British soldier clears the chamber of a Luger before letting Hoobler handle it. He is dressed in a German Wehrmacht uniform in order to familiarize US troops of what the enemy looks like.]]
[[Image:Bob1p082.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Hoobler ([[Peter McCabe]]) aims the Luger in "Currahee".]]
[[Image:Bob1p083.jpg|none|thumb|600px|''"Boy, she sure is a doozy."'' Hoobler with the Luger.]]
[[Image:Bob7p08.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Hoobler examines the Luger he just acquired from a dead German.]]
[[Image:Bob7p082.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Hoobler with his Luger.]]
[[File:BoB 331.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points", Lt. Speirs finds a German officer holding his Luger after committing suicide while in Hitler's Eagle Nest.]]
[[Image:Bob10p08.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Wehrmacht officer offers his Luger to Winters in "Points", which Winters refuses to take. In reality, the officer offered Winters a Walther PP instead of a Luger, and Winters did accept it.]]

===Walther PP===
In the ''Band of Brothers'' companion documentary "We Stand Alone Together", the real Maj. Winters displays the Walther PP series pistol he received from a surrendering German officer. Winters discovered the gun had never been fired, and said that it would remain that way. Major Winter passed away on January 2, 2011. [[Image:Walther_PP.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|The lesser-known, full-length barreled Walther PP is available in 6.35mm auto (.25 ACP), 7.65x17mm (.32 ACP) Auto or 9x17mm (.380 ACP).]]
[[Image:Bobpp.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The real Winters holds his Walther PP in the ''Band of Brothers'' companion documentary "We Stand Alone Together".]]
[[Image:Bobpp1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Winters with his PP in the ''Band of Brothers'' companion documentary "We Stand Alone Together".]]

==Submachine Guns==
=== MP40 ===
The [[MP40]] is seen in the hands of German soldiers through out the series. In the Episode 2: Day of Days, Sgt. Carwood Lipton captures one and caries it briefly in the episode.
[[Image:MP40.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|MP40 Sub Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|600px| An MP40 is seen in a display case to familiarize US soldiers with German weapons.]]
[[Image:BOB1f01.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Carwood Lipton with his captured MP40.]]
[[Image:Bob2mp40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier desperately reaches for his MP40. This scarcely seems possible since he has four holes in his arm from grenade shrapnel. Note also that the soldier has the leather webbing for the K98 clips, not the canvas pouches for MP40 stick mags.]]
[[Image:GermanMP40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier fires his MP40 at Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:Bob4mp40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Two Wehrmacht soldiers with MP40s during the battle of Nuenen.]]
[[Image:Bob8mp40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An MP40 on the floor of a German barracks house which is quickly pulled out of reach by David Webster.]]

==Rifles==
=== Karabiner 98k ===
A main battle rifle for the German forces is the [[Karabiner 98k]]. In addition to the German forces, Lt. Winters is seen using it in "Day of Days". A German sniper is also seen using a scoped Kar98k against advancing Easy Company men during the battle of Foy in the episode 'The Breaking Point'.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:Bob2k98k1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) holds the K98k "Kraut weapon" given to him by Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) in "Day of Days".]]
[[File:BoB 302.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Lt. Richard "Dick" Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) holds the K98k in "Day of Days".]]
[[Image:GermanMauser4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German Fallschirmjäger sniper shoots a paratrooper with his K98k in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:Bob3k98k.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German Fallschirmjäger fires his K98k during the counterattack in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:Bob598k4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|SS soldiers run with K98ks as Easy Company launches an attack in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob698k.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A surprised German taking cover in the snow fires his K98k at the retreating Edward "Babe" Heffron and Doc Ryan.]]
[[Image:Bob698k1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The same German, later nicknamed "Hinkel", firing his K98k at Heffron and Ryan.]]
[[Image:Bob798k.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German aims his K98k at approaching Easy Company men.]]
[[Image:GermanMauser.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The same German with his Spotter.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser with Zeiss ZF42 scope]]
[[Image:Bob798ksniper.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German sniper fires a scoped Kar98k at Easy Company men celebrating after taking Foy.]]

==Assault Rifles==
=== Sturmgewehr 44 ===
During the siege of Bastogne in Episode 7: Breaking Point, German soldiers are seen using the new [[Sturmgewehr 44]]. A Sturmgewehr 44 is also seen on a German-weapon familiarization wall in Episode 1: Curahee, which is anachronistic being that the Sturmgewehr 44 would not have been encountered until two years later.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Here a Sturmgewehr 44 hangs with other German weapons to familiarize US soldiers, even though it would not be encountered in combat for another two years.]]
[[Image:Bob7stg44.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German in winter camouflage defending Foy with a Sturmgewehr 44.]]

==Machine Guns==
===MG34===
In "Currahee" (Ep.1), an example of an [[MG34]] machine gun is shown mounted on the wall among the various German weapons for familiarization.
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|none|thumb|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In the upper left on the wall, an [[MG34]] machine gun is shown among the various German weapons for familiarization.]]

=== MG42 ===
In the mini-series, the [[MG42]] is seen multiple times, being fired from window openings in towns, and in stand-offs with the German armoured vehicles in the advance into France. Most notably, the mini-series did not fail to demonstrate or imply the demoralizing effect of the gun on U.S. troops, and this is a notable achievement for the film-makers, who added this realistic view, which before, had never been seen in such vivid detail in any previous war-film, barring of course, documentaries with actual war-time footage.
[[Image:MG42.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|MG-42 As used in Band of Brothers]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In "Currahee" (Ep.1), an MG42 is seen on the wall along with other German weapons.]]
[[Image:Bob2mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht machine gun crew firing their MG42 at Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:GermanMG42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An MG42 and its dead crew can be seen behind Bill Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]) and Pvt. Gerald Lorraine ([[Simon Fenton]]) at Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:Bob3mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German Fallschirmjager MG42 crew fires from a bedroom window at Shifty Powers during the battle of Carentan.]]
[[Image:Bob3mg422.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An SS MG42 team firing at Easy Company during the counter attack in "Carentan." In the background another can be seen mounted on an Sd.Kfz. 251 halftrack.]]
[[Image:GermanMG423.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An SS soldier carries an MG42 during the retreat.]]
[[Image:Bob4mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht machine gun crew fires from a rooftop during the battle of Nuenen in "Replacements".]]
[[Image:Bob5mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An SS machine gun crew is seen firing the MG42 in "Crossroads". Winters wonders why the crew was giving away their position by firing.]]

==Other==
=== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ===
In "Day of Days", Lt. Winters is seen using a German [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] in order to spike an enemy artillery gun at Brecourt Manor. One lands next to Joe Toye and Popeye Wynn nearly blowing them up, during the same battle.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|A Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]
[[Image:Bob2g.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters primes the "potato masher" to disable the artillery gun.]]
[[Image:WintersPotatoMashers.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters carries a bundle of "Potato Mashers" through the trenches at Brecourt Manor.]]

=== Panzerfaust ===
A Wehrmacht grenadier is seen lugging a [[Panzerfaust]] during the battle of Nuenen in "Replacements".
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|none|thumb|600px|]]
[[Image:Bob4pz.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht grenadier lugs a Panzerfaust during the battle of Nuenen in "Replacements".]]

=== Panzerschreck ===

A [[Panzerschreck]] is seen discarded in a pile of of debris in "Bastogne"; Bernard J. 'Doc' Ryan and Pvt. Edward 'Babe' Heffron walk past it while headed to Third Battalion's position in search of medical supplies.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Panzerschreck 88mm]]
[[Image:BOBPZ1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The discarded Panzerschreck, sitting atop a junk pile. The stock of an MP40 is visible below it.]]

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[[Category:War]]
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Michael Fassbender

2013-06-26T03:55:46Z

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[[Image:XMFC-Luger3.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Michael Fassbender holds a [[Luger P08]] as Erik Lehnsherr in ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' (2011).]]
[[Image:Bob619192.jpg|right|thumb|500px|Michael Fassbender fires a [[Browning M1919A6]] as Sergeant Burton "Pat" Christensen in ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' (2001).]]

{{Actor FTV Title|Michael Fassbender}}

==Film==
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Walther PPK]] || Lt. Archie Hicox || ''[[Inglourious Basterds]]'' || || 2009
|-
| [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage/Stevens 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] || Burke || ''[[Jonah Hex]]'' || || 2010
|-
| [[Winchester Model 1873]] || Burke || ''[[Jonah Hex]]'' || || 2010
|-
| [[M1911A1]] || Erik Lehnsherr || ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' || || 2011
|-
| [[Luger P08]] || Erik Lehnsherr || ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' || || 2011
|-
| [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] || Paul || ''[[Haywire]]'' || || 2012
|-
|}

==Television==
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="225"|'''Character'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note/Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[M1911A1]] || Sgt. Burton "Pat" Christensen || ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' || || 2001
|-
| [[M1 Garand]] || Sgt. Burton "Pat" Christensen || ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' || || 2001
|-
| [[Browning M1919A6]] || Sgt. Burton "Pat" Christensen || ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' || || 2001
|-
|}

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[[Category:Actor Male]]

Talk:Spring Breakers

2013-03-26T23:49:13Z

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=== Screenshots ===
A lot of these 'firearms' look like airsoft and non-guns to me. There are also only a handful of guns that appear over and over again.

The suppressed pistols look to me like a Steyr M9 variant but the trigger guards don't match. I don't know what else has such a blocky slide profile though aside from a Glock, which it clearly isn't. Maybe a Walther P22? The clearest shot of it is in the pile of money, do the magazines look small to anyone else? similar to 22lr mags? --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 19:09, 26 January 2013 (EST)

Hah! I think I found it. It looks like a Zoraki MOD 925 9mm PAK, in other words a blank firing replica.
[[File:Zoraki925case.jpg|thumb|none|300px]][[File:SB-GlockARBeretta.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

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:The suppressed pistols are [[Zoraki 925]]s. There seems to be a pretty eclectic mix of real weapons and replicas, from what I am seeing. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 19:21, 26 January 2013 (EST)

::There is an AR-15 leaning in the corner of File:SB-AR.jpg, going by the flat top receiver and 16" straight profile barrel I would go for a [[Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine]]. It also has an underbarrel launcher, which is a Spikes Tactical Havoc 37mm launcher with a 9" barrel. There is also an [[AMD-65]] in File:SB-ShotBerettaAK-2.jpg. As for the two shorty AR-15s in the weapons collection, I don't know what they are but they appear to have Bulgarian Krinkov flash hiders that are on Arsenal AKs. I would also guess that they are not airsoft, as they do not have the stock and have the neoprene sheath over the buffer tube like other "pistol" AR-15s, and I doubt that you would ever see an airsoft gun that nerfs itself to comply to a law that doesn't apply to it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:51, 26 January 2013 (EST)
:::The AR pistols appear to be built on Spikes Tactical receivers as well, I think that's their red spider logo above the magazine well. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 23:36, 26 January 2013 (EST)

===Oh god===
Who the hell gave Harmony Korine a job after ''Trashhumpers''? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] ([[User talk:BeardedHoplite|talk]]) 20:03, 29 January 2013 (EST)

== Anyone saw this? ==

So i was forced to go (girlfriend)and i tried to keep an open mind but I didn't find this to be a comdey like they claim it is, and being a gunners mate in the navy i was thinking how the hell do these chicks know so much about shooting and ok with killing people?

Talk:Doom (VG)

2013-02-03T05:57:49Z

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== You kidding right? ==

This must be a joke, right? Chainsaw? Plasma gun? BFG? WTF? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:46, 17 March 2012 (CDT)

Admins, let me put the nuke tag on this one, pwetty pwetty pwease with a cherry on top?! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:40, 17 March 2012 (CDT)
:Just put one on. If they disagree, they'll take it off. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 02:17, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

I lol'd. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:33, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

As I recall, the pistol was also a cap gun, probably a Beretta replica. Romero says they picked the pistol and the Dakota up from the local Toys R Us. Still, given they were actually digitised from photographs of replica weapons, I think that's ''just'' enough reason to keep the page to point out the weapons themselves were fakes. Though I think that rocket launcher can go, since "stunted little RPG-7 crackbaby" isn't going to make anyone think it's a real gun. Plasma gun is interesting, ''I'' wasn't aware they had a physical prop for that one. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:27, 28 March 2012 (CDT)
:A prop of what though. I can't tell what that is supposed to be. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:33, 28 March 2012 (CDT)
::Found it; it's part of a dart-shooting toy M60 held backwards and cut off in front of the handguard. [http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1156/plas0000.jpg Link]. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:08, 28 March 2012 (CDT)
:::It is from a toy M-60. I had one as a kid. And it isn't cut off of the front of the handguard. The front detached and became a "dart mortar using the plastic bipod. -insertjjs

Really?? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 09:21, 28 March 2012 (CDT)

I just looked at the page history on the page. This page started as the page for the film (and is probably one of the oldest on the site.) The creator of the current page didn't use the move tool, instead going with the ham-fisted cut and paste onto a new page approach. All of the links for the film are now leading to the disambiguation page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:50, 28 March 2012 (CDT)
:Yeah, I saw that too. I suggest destroying this page and moving back the film to "Doom", (Then the disambiguation page can go also.) and the links will be fixed.
:Maybe it will be wise to create a "Doom Video Game Series" page, (like the Devil May Cry Series) and combine every Doom game there. (IIRC, there is a double barrel shotgun in Resurrection of Evil.) Of course without the chainsaw and BFG... --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:45, 28 March 2012 (CDT)
::I don't think it's worth it for just one gun that appeared in an add-on pack. The chainsaw I'll move to a trivia heading when I rework the page, since we do know the precise model of chainsaw used. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:51, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

So can someone explain to me why this has a page and not Doom 3? Yes i saw that its not in the rules and everything but why? Please give me an explanation. Thanks.[[User:DRC92|DRC92]] ([[User talk:DRC92|talk]])

Talk:Doom (VG)

2013-02-03T05:57:14Z

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Michael Fassbender

2012-11-23T19:59:17Z

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{{Actor FTV Title|Michael Fassbender}}
[[Image:Bob619192.jpg|right|thumb|500px|Michael Fassbender as Burton 'Pat' Christensen in ''[[Band of Brothers]]''.]]

[[Image:JHex_13.jpg|right|thumb|500px|Michael Fassbender as Burke in ''[[Jonah Hex]]'', aiming a [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifle.]]
[[Image:XMFC-Luger3.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Michael Fassbender as Erik Lehnsherr with a [[Luger P08]] in ''[[X-Men: First Class]]''.]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Walther PPK]] || Lt. Archie Hicox || ''[[Inglourious Basterds]]'' || || 2009
|-
| [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage/Stevens 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] || Burke || ''[[Jonah Hex]]'' || || 2010
|-
| [[Winchester Model 1873]] || Burke || ''[[Jonah Hex]]'' || || 2010
|-
| [[M1911A1]] || Erik Lehnsherr || ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' || || 2011
|-
| [[Luger P08]] || Erik Lehnsherr || ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' || || 2011
|-
| [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] || Paul || ''[[Haywire]]'' || || 2012
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note/Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[M1911A1]] || Sgt. Burton "Pat" Christensen || ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' || || 2001
|-
| [[M1 Garand]] || Sgt. Burton "Pat" Christensn || ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' || || 2001
|-
| [[Browning M1919A6]] || Sgt. Burton "Pat" Christensen || ''[[Band of Brothers]]'' || || 2001

|}

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[[Category:Actor Male]]

Band of Brothers

2012-11-23T19:57:47Z

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{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|name= Band of Brothers
|picture = Bob.jpg
|caption =
|country = [[File:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|channel = HBO
|genre = War
|creator = [[Steven Spielberg]] [[Tom Hanks]]
|dates = 2001
|language = English German
|seasons =
|episodes = 10
|character1=Richard Winters
|actor1=[[Damian Lewis]]
|character2=Donald Malarkey
|actor2=[[Scott Grimes]]
|character3=Lewis Nixon
|actor3=[[Ron Livingston]]
|character4=Carwood Lipton
|actor4=[[Donnie Wahlberg]]
|character5=Denver Randleman
|actor5=[[Michael Cudlitz]]
|character6=George Luz
|actor6=[[Rick Gomez]]
|character7=Frank Perconte
|actor7=[[James Madio]]
|character8=Lynn Compton
|actor8=[[Neal McDonough]]
|character9=William Guarnere
|actor9=[[Frank John Hughes]]
}}
''Band of Brothers'' is the 2001 HBO World War II miniseries produced by [[Tom Hanks]] and [[Steven Spielberg]]. Based on the best-selling book by the late historian Stephen Ambrose, the 10-part miniseries followed the men of "Easy" Company of the 101st Airborne Division from their basic training, through D-Day and up until the capture of Hitler's Eagle's Nest.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the miniseries ''Band of Brothers'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Allied Weapons=
==Handguns==

=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911A1]] was the standard sidearm of US Forces during World War II. Issued to officers, NCOs and those in positions where a rifle or carbine was not desirable, the pistol quickly became a favored item among Allied troops because of its stopping power. The M1911A1 is seen in various episodes of ''Band of Brothers''. In "Currahee" (Ep.1), Capt. Herbert M. Sobel ([[David Schwimmer]]) can be seen running with one during training exercises. David Webster ([[Eion Bailey]]) threatens a baker with one in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9). In "Points" (Ep.10), Capt. Ronald Spiers ([[Matthew Settle]]) uses his M1911A1 to threaten both the doctor and the drunk American soldier who shot Chuck Grant. Joe Leibgott ([[Ross McCall]]) shoots a German officer in "Points" with a M1911.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|World War II issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Bob11911.jpg|none|thumb|601px|An Easy Company Paratrooper firing an M1911A1 during training exercises in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob119111.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Captain Sobel ([[David Schwimmer]]) is seen holding an M1911A1 in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob31911.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company Paratrooper fires an M1911A1 at a Fallschirmjäger in "Carentan" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob61911.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Sgt. More pulls out Smokey Gordon's pistol when he is wounded.]]
[[Image:Bob81911.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Vest angrily attempts to shoot a prisoner in "The Last Patrol" (Ep.8)]]
[[Image:Bob919111.jpg|none|thumb|600px|David Webster ([[Eion Bailey]]) points his M1911A1 (curiously with white dots on the rear-pistol sights) at a belligerent German baker in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9).]]
[[Image:Bob919112.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another angle of Webster with his M1911A1 in "Why We Fight" (Ep.9).]]
[[File:BoB 311.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points" (Ep.10), Capt. Ronald Spiers ([[Matthew Settle]]) uses his M1911A1 to threaten both the doctor and the drunk replacement who shot Chuck Grant.]]

=== Colt New Service Revolver M1917 ===
Floyd "Tab" Talbert ([[Matthew Leitch]]) is given a [[Colt New Service]] revolver as a gift on June 4th 1944 during the episode "Currahee", he is seen armed with it in the episode "Carentan".
[[Image:Colt New Army .357.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt New Service 1935-1936 .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:Bob1colt.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"You gotta love cops!" Floyd "Tab" Talbert receives the Colt New Service revolver mailed to him from his local police department.]]

=== Mauser C96 ===
A French soldier is seen executing Wehrmacht prisoners with a [[Mauser C96|C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser]].
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|C96 Broomhandle Mauser - 7.63x25mm.]]
[[Image:Bob9c96.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A French soldier shoots the Wehrmacht prisoners.]]

==Submachine Guns==
=== M1A1 Thompson ===
Also known as the "Tommy gun", the [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1A1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompson]] was the standard issue submachine gun for US Forces in WWII. As such, many of Easy Company's officers and NCOs are shown carrying the Thompson as their standard weapon. Notable paratroopers who carry the weapon include Lt. Ronald Speirs ([[Matthew Settle]]), Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]), Lt. Lynn "Buck" Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]), Sgt. William "Wild Bill" Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]), and Sgt. Johnny Martin ([[Dexter Fletcher]]).
[[Image:M1sb.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|[[M1A1 Thompson]] .45 Caliber ACP]]
[[Image:Bob1maruim1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Currahee", Sgt. Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) holding an M1A1 Thompson with the bolt closed.]]
[[Image:Bob1m1a1.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In "Currahee", Easy Company men fire their Thompsons during training exercises in England.]]
[[Image:Bob3tm1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days", Lt. Ronald Speirs ([[Matthew Settle]]) fires his Thompson. In the book "Band of Brothers", a photo of Speirs appears to show him holding an M1928A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:ComptonThompson.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Lt. Lynn "Buck" Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]) loads his Thompson in "Day of Days".]]
[[Image:ComptonThompson2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), Compton realizes that his Thompson has jammed.]]
[[Image:Bob2tm1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), Bill Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]) fires his Thompson]]
[[Image:Bob2tm1a12.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days" (Ep.2), Guarnere ducks with his M1A1 Thompson.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a1t1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Crossroads", Johnny Martin holds his Thompson on German soldiers claiming to be Polish.]]
[[Image:Bob6m1a1t1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Johnny Martin fires his Thompson in "Bastogne".]]
[[Image:SpeirsThompson2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Breaking Point", Ronald Speirs with his Thompson during his mad dash through Foy.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1a1t1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Jones ([[Colin Hanks]]) cleans his Thompson before a mission in "The Last Patrol".]]
[[Image:Bob8m1a1t2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"Popeye" Wynn fires his Thompson in "The Last Patrol"]]
[[File:BoB 310.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. John Janovec ([[Tom Hardy]]) has the M1A1 Thompson slung in "Points" (Ep.10).]]

=== M3A1 "Grease Gun" ===
The [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"]] was the cheap, inexpensive replacement for the Thompson Sub Machine Gun; It is only shown in the hands of Roy Cobb ([[Craig Heaney]]). The use of the later M3A1 variant as opposed to the original M3 is anachronistic for the earlier episodes where they are fighting in France and Holland, as it was not introduced until December 1944.
[[File:Grease3 2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M3A1 Grease Gun as used in Band of Brothers]]
[[Image:Bob4m3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Roy Cobb ([[Craig Heaney]]) fires his Grease Gun in the episode "Replacements". Next to him is Lt. Peacock holding an M1 Carbine and Webster with his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:M3A1GreaseGun.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cobb is the only one with a Grease Gun, as the rest, including David Webster, has an [[M1 Garand]], as they search for Sgt. Randleman.]]
[[Image:Bob5m3a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Roy Cobb ([[Craig Heaney]]) fires his Grease Gun in the episode "Crossroads."]]
[[Image:M3A1GreaseGunBarrel3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"How many Krauts are left up there?". Cobb reloading his M3A1.]]
[[Image:Bob5m3a12.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another shot of Cobb firing his Grease Gun.]]
[[Image:BoBM3A1GreaseGunCobb.jpg|none|thumb|600px|To the far left is a good view Cobb's Grease Gun from the right side.]]
[[Image:GreaseGunandBAR.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cobb at the bottom right tries to knock out the sniper that had just hit Frank Perconte in the ass. Behind him is Heron with his [[Browning Automatic Rifle]].]]

==Rifles==
===M1903A3 Springfield===
A paratrooper is seen with an [[M1903 Springfield#1903A3 Springfield Rifle|M1903A3 Springfield]] in the beginning, when Blithe joins them to find Easy Co. It's clearly not a Kar98k because of a shorter barrel, and front sights are different. It's later seen at the counter attack at Carentan.
[[Image:Springfield03A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The '''World War II Springfield Rifle''' - the Model 03-A3. This was a simplified version of the 1903 to supplement the [[M1 Garand]] for troops in World War II - .30-06]]
[[Image:BoBM1903A3Springfield.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The M1903 Springfield is seen slung on the back of Pvt. Gordon, who is also carrying an Browning M1919A4.]]
[[Image:BoB M1903 Springfield 2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Springfield is seen in front of Blithe, who is carrying an [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:M1903Barrel.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The barrel is now clearly shown (circled), notice it doesn't have the bayonet lunge like in the Kar98k.]]
[[Image:Bob319031.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A paratrooper gets his finger shot off during the fight at Carentan.]]
[[Image:Bob319032.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The bolt action is seen on the paratrooper's rifle.]]

=== M1 Garand ===
Standard issue rifle of the US military during WWII, many of Easy Company's paratroopers are shown carrying the [[M1 Garand]] as their standard weapon. Most notable are Lieutenant (Later Captain/Major) Richard "Dick" Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]), Shifty Powers ([[Peter Youngblood Hills]]) and Joseph Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]). The Garand can be seen with and without a bayonet.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|500px|none|[[M1 Garand]] .30-06]]
[[Image:Bob1m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Currahee" (Ep.1), Frank Perconte ([[James Madio]]) gets his M1 Garand inspected by Capt. Herbert Sobel ([[David Schwimmer]]).]]
[[Image:Bob2m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) fires his Garand during the battle of Brecourt Manor in "Day of Days" (Ep.2).]]
[[File:BoB 332.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Gerald Lorraine ([[Simon Fenton]]) opens fire with the M1 Garand during the battle of Brecourt Manor in "Day of Days" (Ep.2).]]
[[Image:PowersGarand2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Shifty Powers ([[Peter Youngblood Hills]]) aims his Garand at a German sniper in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:TipperGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Tipper ([[Bart Ruspoli]]) fires his Garand from the hip in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:BOB1f06.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Albert Blythe ([[Marc Warren]]) prepares to fire his M1 Garand in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob3m1g4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Blythe frantically reloads his Garand as Winters continues to fire in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob3m1g5.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Blythe fires his Garand in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob4m1g2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Hashey ([[Mark Huberman]]) sees that his M1 Garand has jammed in "Replacements" (Ep.4).]]
[[Image:BoB 005.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Miller ([[James McAvoy]]) holds his M1 Garand while under fire in "Replacements" (Ep.4)]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"First on the right!" Pvt. Garcia ([[Douglas Spain]]) readies his Garand in "Crossroads" (Ep.5).]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Dukeman holds the Garand in "Crossroads" (Ep.5).]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Crossroads" (Ep.5), (Capt.) Winters shoots a young SS soldier with his Garand.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters fires from the hip with his Garand in "Crossroads" (Ep.5).]]
[[Image:Bob5m1g6.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Ping! Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) empties his Garand on the German soldiers.]]
[[Image:Bob5m1gfb.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A bayonet is affixed on a Garand before the charge in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:LiptonGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) with his Garand in "The Breaking Point."]]
[[Image:LiebgottGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Joe Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]) with his Garand in Foy.]]
[[Image:PerconteGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Frank Perconte ([[James Madio]]) fires his Garand before being hit in the ass by a German Sniper.]]
[[Image:LiptonGarand2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lipton fires his Garand in Foy.]]
[[Image:PowersGarand.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Shifty Powers ([[Peter Youngblood Hills]]) demonstrates his marksman skills in Foy.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1g1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Shifty Powers darkens his M1's front sight using the carbon from a lighter in "The Last Patrol".]]

=== M1 Carbine ===
The [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by 2nd Lt. Henry Jones ([[Colin Hanks]]) in the episode "The Last Patrol". It is also seen carried by several US soldiers fighting in Okinawa in newsreel footage.
[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|World War Two Era [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbine]], with Dark Walnut Stock, 'L' peep sight and no bayonet lug - correct for most of WWII, shown with khaki sling and oiler and a period Magazine pouch for buttstock]]
[[Image:Bob8m1c.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Jones running with his Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob8m1c2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Henry Jones with his Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob10m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Marines in Okinawa with a Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob10m1clm.jpg|none|thumb|600px|US Marines in Okinawa with a Carbine]]

=== M1A1 Carbine ===
Originally issued to non-combat personnel or those who needed a compact weapon, the M1 Carbine was never meant to be a front-line weapon, nevertheless it was ideal for Airborne troops for its small frame and its compactness. The paratrooper version of the M1 (identified as the "M1A1 Carbine" has the distinct collapsible buttstock and handgrip. The [[M1 Carbine#M1A1 Carbine|M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine]] is shown extensively throughout the series most notably in the hands of Donald Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]), Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]), Warren "Skip" Muck ([[Richard Speight, Jr.]]), Lt. Norman Dike, George Luz ([[Rick Gomez]]), and Capt. Lewis Nixon ([[Ron Livingston]]).
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M1A1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Bob1m1c.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]) gets his M1A1 carbine inspected by Capt. Sobel in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[File:BoB 314.jpg|none|thumb|600px|On the left, 1st Sgt. William Evans ([[Simon Pegg]]) holds the M1A1 carbine in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:BOB05.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey with his M1A1 in "Day of Days".]]
[[Image:LiptonCarbine.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) fires his M1A1 while sitting in a tree during the battle of Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:Bob2m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey cocks his M1A1 during the battle of Brécourt Manor.]]
[[Image:MalarkeyCarbine2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Malarkey runs through enemy fire with his M1A1 as he tries to grab what he thinks is a Luger.]]
[[Image:Bob3m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Luz ([[Rick Gomez]]) fires his Carbine as the 101st tries to take the town of Carentan.]]
[[Image:LuzCarbine.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Luz with his Carbine.]]
[[Image:Bob3m1c2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) fires his M1A1 Carbine in the episode "Carentan"]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a11.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company member fires his M1A1 carbine in the episode "Crossroads"]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a12.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another Easy Company member fires his M1A1 carbine in the episode "Crossroads"]]
[[Image:Bob5m1a1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Peacock spots another German company coming over the hill.]]
[[Image:Bob6m1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Norman Dike holds his M1A1 Carbine during Bastogne.]]
[[Image:Bob9m1a1c1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Luz ([[Rick Gomez]]) with his M1A1 Carbine.]]

===Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I===
The [[SMLE|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I]] rifle is shown briefly being carried over the shoulder of a French sentry in Episode 3 "Carentan". French soldiers are seen with the rifles when German prisoners are rounded up in Episode 9 "Why We Fight".
[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War II, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. In service between 1941–Present.]]
[[Image:Band of Brothers Lee-Enfield.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lee-Enfield carried by a sentry in "Carentan."]]
[[Image:Bob9smle.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A French soldier holds the Enfield rifle as a German prisoners are rounded up in "Why We Fight".]]

==Machine Guns==
===Browning Automatic Rifle===
The [[Browning Automatic Rifle]], or "B.A.R" was the standard Squad Automatic Weapon for U.S. rifle squads in WWII. It is shown in parts 4-9 being primarily used by Cpl. Heron.
[[Image:BAR.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Browning Automatic Rifle]]
[[Image:Bob4bar1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cpl. Heron holds the BAR in "Replacements".]]
[[Image:Bob4bar2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Replacements", Cpl. Heron is seen with the BAR next to Sgt. Randleman ([[Michael Cudlitz]]).]]
[[Image:Bob4bar3.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Heron provides cover with the BAR.]]
[[Image:Bob5bar1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|"Nail the machine gun." The BAR is set up to take out a German machine gun position in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob5bar2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The BAR with the bipod down is seen as the German machine gun position explodes.]]
[[File:HeronandWebster.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Heron running with his BAR with the bipod down, next to him is Webster with his [[M1 Garand]].]]
[[Image:Bob5bar3.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Another shot of the BAR as Winters and the men of Easy Company charge up the berm in "Crossroads".]]
[[File:BARinBoBHeron.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Heron hits the dirt carrying his BAR with the bipod down, preparing to engage the SS troops in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob5bar5.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company paratrooper marches with his BAR slung.]]
[[Image:HeronBAR.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Cpl. Heron with his BAR during the attack on Foy.]]
[[Image:Bob7bar2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Heron fires the BAR in "The Breaking Point".]]
[[Image:BoBHeronBARFoy.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The BAR from Heron's point of view as he tries to kill the German Sniper.]]

===M1919A4 .30 Caliber Machine Gun===
The [[Browning M1919A4]] .30 caliber machine gun is shown extensively in the hands of Easy company being used in both the defensive and offensive roles. The primary M1919A4 machine gun team of Easy Company in the series consisted of Smokey Gordon and Alton More. The 1919A4 is also shown being mounted on jeeps.
[[File:M1919a4 pre 1943.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Browning M1919A4, fitted with bolt latch - .30-06]]
[[Image:Bob11919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Curahee", an Easy company machine gun team sets up an M1919A4.30 cal during a wargame.]]
[[Image:Bob119191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy company machine gun team trains with the M1919A4 in "Curahee".]]
[[Image:MountedM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Mounted M1919A4 can be seen as Easy Company prepare for the assault on the guns.]]
[[Image:Bob21919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Day of Days", Pvt. Joe Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]) provides cover fire with M1919A4 as Winters and the men of Easy Company take out the German artillery battery at Brécourt Manor on D-Day.]]
[[Image:PettyLiebgottM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Cleveland Petty ([[Adam James]]) fires his M1919A4 as Pvt. Joe Liebgott ([[Ross McCall]]) feeds him.]]
[[Image:Bob31919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company M1919A4 machine gun team provides cover fire during the assault on Carentan.]]
[[Image:GordonM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Walter "Smokey" Gordon ([[Ben Caplan]]) fires his M1919A4 from an upstairs window at fleeing Germans.]]
[[Image:GordonMoreM1919.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Gordon and Alton More fire their M1919A4 at Bloody Gulch.]]
[[Image:GordonMoreM19192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Gordon and More firing the M1919A4.]]
[[Image:Bob519192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The machine gun crew of Alton More (seen setting up the tripod) and "Smokey" Gordon (seen carrying the M1919A4).]]
[[Image:Bob619193.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Smokey Gordon cocks his M1919 during the battle.]]
[[Image:Bob619194.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Alton More ([[Doug Allen]]) fires Smokey's M1919 after Smokey is wounded.]]
[[Image:Bob619191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "The Breaking Point", an M1919 is seen mounted on the jeep carrying Col. Sink and Gen. McAuliffe.]]
[[Image:Bob619195.jpg|none|thumb|600px|More continues to fire the M1919 during the battle of Bastogne.]]
[[Image:MachineGunTeamFoy.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Two Paratroopers provide covering fire with an M1919A4 during the assault on Foy in "The Breaking Point."]]
[[Image:Bob919191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvts. Hashey and Garcia prepare to be relieved of their M1919 machine gun position.]]
[[Image:Bob919192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Why We Fight", Pvt. O'Keefe is seen loading the M1919.]]
[[Image:Bob1019191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points", an M1919 is seen mounted on the jeep driven by Nixon and carrying Winters and Welsh as they enter the city of Berchtesgaden, Germany.]]

===M1919A6 .30 Caliber Machine Gun===
The [[Browning M1919A6]] variant with stock and bipod is seen carried and used primarily by Burton 'Pat' Christensen ([[Michael Fassbender]]). It is incorrectly a post WWII model fitted with the conical flash hider/muzzle booster.
[[File:1919A6 postWW2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Browning M1919A6 post WWII manufacture - .30-06]]
[[File:ChristensenwithM1919A6.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Christensen with his M1919A6 before the attack.]]
[[Image:Bob519191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|M1919A6 being fired in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob519195.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Burton 'Pat' Christensen fires his M1919A6 in the episode "Crossroads". The carrying handle at the front of the receiver is one indicator of this particular model.]]
[[Image:Bob719195.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In the episode "The Breaking Point", the M1919A6 is manned by (from left to right) Sgt. Christensen ([[Michael Fassbender]]), Pvt. Webb ([[Jordan Frieda]]), and Sgt. Perconte ([[James Madio]]).]]
[[Image:Bob619192.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Burton 'Pat' Christensen ([[Michael Fassbender]]) yells to fall back in "The Breaking Point".]]
[[Image:Bob819191.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Liebgott fires during the crossing of the river in the episode "The Last Patrol".]]

=== Browning M2HB Heavy Machine Gun ===
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun can be seen throughout the series. The weapon is usually mounted on either M4 Sherman tanks (as seen in "Carentan") or on the M8 Greyhound Armored Car as in "Why We Fight". Also making a prominent appearance, especially in "The Last Patrol" is the M51 Quad Mount which, though designed primarily for anti-aircraft use, had a devastating effect on ground targets and was available in either the towed or vehicle mounted versions (designated the ''M16 Quad Mount'').
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]]
[[Image:Bob3m2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Tank gunner fires from a Sherman]]
[[Image:Bob3m21.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Tank gunner fires from a Sherman]]
[[Image:Bob950hb.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Tank gunner loading his Browning M2HB]]
[[Image:M51_Quad.jpg|thumb|350px|none|The M51 Quad Mounted system similar to the one used in ''Band of Brothers'']]
[[Image:Bob850x41.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An AA M2 fires across the river]]
[[Image:Bob850x42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters stands next to the AA M2.]]
[[Image:Bob850x43.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Quad M2 is seen on the right.]]

==Other==

===M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"===
The [[M1 Bazooka|M1 Rocket Launcher]], affectionately known as the "Bazooka", was the standard anti-tank weapon for the US military during WWII. The Bazooka was excellent against bunkers and buildings, though its effectiveness against the more heavily armored German tanks is debatable. General Eisenhower remarked that "the Atom Bomb, Jeep, C-47 Sky Train and the Bazooka were the four weapons that won the war". The bazooka was copied by the Germans as the "Panzerschreck" launcher from a M1 Bazooka captured in North Africa. Generally operated by a two man crew (one gunner, one loader) crews quickly figured out that they needed to hit the side, rear or belly armor of armored vehicles, as shown in the episode "Carentan" (the episode also shows how the bazooka rounds would simply deflect off the heavy frontal armor). The bazooka makes notable appearances in the series being used by Sgt. Charles E. "Chuck" Grant ([[Nolan Hemmings]]) in the episode "Replacements" taking out a German machine gun and by John McGrath (Stephen Walters) and Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) in the episode "Carentan" disabling a German StuG III assault gun.
[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|[[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]] - 60mm]]
[[Image:Bob1m9b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An Easy Company bazooka team fires a bazooka during a training exercise in "Currahee" (Ep.1).]]
[[Image:Bob3m9b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Carentan" (Ep.3), Pvt. Ed Tipper ([[Bart Ruspoli]]) uses a bazooka to take out a building during the battle of Carentan.]]
[[File:BoB 338.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Carentan" (Ep.3), Pvt. Ed Tipper ([[Bart Ruspoli]]) has the bazooka slung.]]
[[Image:WelshMcGrathBazooka.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) loads a round into the M1 bazooka held by John McGrath (Stephen Walters) in "Carentan" (Ep.3).]]
[[Image:Bob3m9b1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|McGrath tries to disable a StuG III with his M1 bazooka.]]
[[File:BoB 007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Grant ([[Nolan Hemmings]]) prepares to fire the M1 "Bazooka".]]
[[Image:Bob4m9b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Replacements", Sgt. Grant ([[Nolan Hemmings]]) fires the M1 Bazooka. ]]

===M9 Bazooka===
In "Points", Sgt. Grant appears to use an [[M9 Bazooka]] in an attempt to detonate the grenades placed on a man-made rock slide.
[[File:M9bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Bob10m1b.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points", Sgt. Grant walks up to the roadblock with the bazooka.]]
[[Image:Bob10m1b1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Grant fires at a roadblock in the episode "Points".]]
[[Image:Bob10m1b2.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Sgt. Grant with the Bazooka.]]

=== M7 rifle grenade launcher ===
Several soldiers are seen with [[M7 rifle grenade#M7 grenade launcher|M7 grenade launcher]]s mounted on their [[M1 Garand]]s.
[[Image:M1 garand M7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M7 rifle grenade launcher]]
[[Image:Bob3m1rgl.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Pvt. Cleveland Petty ([[Adam James]]) gets ready to launch another rifle grenade with the M7 launcher in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:Bob4m1rgl.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]) directs Cpl. Schmidt to fire the rifle grenade.]]
[[Image:Bob8m1gm7.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Johnny Martin ([[Dexter Fletcher]]) prepares to launch a rifle grenade in the episode "The Last Patrol". One thing to note is that the way he fires the weapon would have made him very sore. Rifle grenades use blanks that are compressed powder loads so firing like that would hurt, the military at that time taught soldiers to plant the butt of the rifle in the ground and use a special ladder sight attached to the front of the barrel to sight with. Also, you never actually see him load a blank round so we must assume he was wandering around in enemy territory with a blank chambered.]]

=== Mk II Hand Grenade ===
The [[Mk II Hand Grenade]] is used by several paratroopers in the series. Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) is seen using one to take out an MG42 team during the battle of Carentan. Paratroopers are seen piling [[Mk II Hand Grenade]]s onto a enemy-made rock slide in an attempt to blow a hole in the roadblock.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk II hand grenade.]]
[[Image:ComptonGrenade.jpg|none|thumb|600px|During the Battle of Brecourt Manor, Lt. Lynn "Buck" Compton ([[Neal McDonough]]) attempts to throw a MK II Grenade before it's knocked out of his hands in "Day of Days."]]
[[Image:BOB02.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Lt. Harry Welsh ([[Rick Warden]]) carries a MK II hand grenade on his webbing in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:WelshGrenade.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Welsh pulls the pin off a MK II Grenade.]]
[[Image:LiptonGrenade.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Carwood Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) prepares to clear out a warehouse with MK II Grenade.]]
[[Image:Bob10g.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In Part 10 "Points", Paratroopers place grenades in an attempt to clear a roadblock.]]

=== M18 Smoke Grenade ===
In "Crossroads", Cpt. Winters is seen throwing a [[M18 Smoke Grenade]] for red smoke to signal the charge.
[[Image:Bob5smoke.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A red smoke grenade thrown by Winters]]

=== M2 Flamethrower ===
When the Airborne paratroopers watch newsreel footage of the war in Pacific, a US soldier is seen using an [[M2 Flamethrower]].
[[Image:M2_Flamethrower.jpg|none|thumb|200px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:Bob10m1fire.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A soldier fires his flamethrower on Okinawa]]

=Axis Weapons=

==Handguns==
=== Luger P08 ===
A standard sidearm of German Forces during WWI and still in use in WWII, the [[Luger P08]] was a prized and coveted souvenir for Allied forces because of its elegant design. Malarkey is seen hunting around for one notably in "Day of Days". In "Bastogne", Corporal Hoobler ([[Peter McCabe]]) kills a German officer who has one, and then, later in the episode, it discharges in his pocket, which makes a fatal wound by hitting his femoral artery. It is later given to Sergeant Malarkey ([[Scott Grimes]]), who wanted one to bring home to his little brother. The real gun Hoobler found is a Belgian .32 and was not given to Malarkey. The Walther P38 was the standard issue during WWII, with many Lugers left over from WWI being re-used by some Germans as a sidearm. Though replaced officially by the P38, Mauser would continue producing the Luger until 1943; Evidence can be found on many Lugers with 30's and 40's markings as well as swastikas and eagles.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Luger P'08 pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bob1p081.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Currahee" (Ep.1), a British soldier clears the chamber of a Luger before letting Hoobler handle it. He is dressed in a German Wehrmacht uniform in order to familiarize US troops of what the enemy looks like.]]
[[Image:Bob1p082.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Hoobler ([[Peter McCabe]]) aims the Luger in "Currahee".]]
[[Image:Bob1p083.jpg|none|thumb|600px|''"Boy, she sure is a doozy."'' Hoobler with the Luger.]]
[[Image:Bob7p08.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Hoobler examines the Luger he just acquired from a dead German.]]
[[Image:Bob7p082.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Bastogne", Hoobler with his Luger.]]
[[File:BoB 331.jpg|none|thumb|600px|In "Points", Lt. Speirs finds a German officer holding his Luger after committing suicide while in Hitler's Eagle Nest.]]
[[Image:Bob10p08.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The Wehrmacht officer offers his Luger to Winters in "Points", which Winters refuses to take. In reality, the officer offered Winters a Walther PP instead of a Luger, and Winters did accept it.]]

===Walther PP===
In the ''Band of Brothers'' companion documentary "We Stand Alone Together", the real Maj. Winters displays the Walther PP series pistol he received from a surrendering German officer. Winters discovered the gun had never been fired, and said that it would remain that way. Major Winter passed away on January 2, 2011. [[Image:Walther_PP.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|The lesser-known, full-length barreled Walther PP is available in 6.35mm auto (.25 ACP), 7.65x17mm (.32 ACP) Auto or 9x17mm (.380 ACP).]]
[[Image:Bobpp.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The real Winters holds his Walther PP in the ''Band of Brothers'' companion documentary "We Stand Alone Together".]]
[[Image:Bobpp1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Winters with his PP in the ''Band of Brothers'' companion documentary "We Stand Alone Together".]]

==Submachine Guns==
=== MP40 ===
The [[MP40]] is seen in the hands of German forces, but also used by Sgt. Lipton in "Day of Days".
[[Image:MP40.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|MP40 Sub Machine Gun]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|600px| An MP40 is seen in a display case.]]
[[Image:BOB1f01.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Carwood Lipton with his captured MP40.]]
[[Image:Bob2mp40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier desperately reaches for his MP40. This scarcely seems possible since it appears he has 4 bullet holes in his arm.]]
[[Image:GermanMP40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht soldier fires his MP40 at Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:Bob4mp40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Two Wehrmacht soldiers with MP40s.]]
[[Image:Bob8mp40.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An MP40 on the floor]]

==Rifles==
=== Karabiner 98k ===
A main battle rifle for the German forces is the [[Karabiner 98k]]. In addition to the German forces, Lt. Winters is seen using it in "Day of Days". A German sniper is also seen using a scoped Kar98k in the episode 'The Breaking Point'.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:Bob2k98k1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) holds the K98k "Kraut weapon" given to him by Lipton ([[Donnie Wahlberg]]) in "Day of Days".]]
[[File:BoB 302.jpg|none|thumb|601px|Lt. Richard "Dick" Winters ([[Damian Lewis]]) holds the K98k in "Day of Days".]]
[[Image:GermanMauser4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Fallschirmjäger sniper fires his K98k in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:Bob3k98k.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Fallschirmjäger fires his K98k in "Carentan".]]
[[Image:Bob598k4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|SS soldiers run with K98ks as Easy Company launches an attack in "Crossroads".]]
[[Image:Bob698k.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German fires his K98k in the snow]]
[[Image:Bob698k1.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The same German]]
[[Image:Bob798k.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German aims his K98k]]
[[Image:GermanMauser.jpg|none|thumb|600px|The same German with his Spotter.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser with Zeiss ZF42 scope]]
[[Image:Bob798ksniper.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German sniper fires a scoped Kar98k.]]

==Assault Rifles==
=== Sturmgewehr 44 ===
During the siege of Bastogne, German forces are seen using the [[Sturmgewehr 44]]. A StG 44 is also seen (Anachronistically) on a German-weapon familiarization wall early on in the series.
[[Image:Sturmgewehr 44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Sturmgewehr 44 7.92x33mm]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Here a STG-44 hangs with other German weapons to instruct Allied troops, even though it would not be encountered in combat for another two years.]]
[[Image:Bob7stg44.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A German in a snow uniform with an STG-44]]

==Machine Guns==
===MG34===
In "Currahee" (Ep.1), an example of an [[MG34]] machine gun is shown mounted on the wall among the various German weapons for familiarization.
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|none|thumb|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In the upper left on the wall, an [[MG34]] machine gun is shown among the various German weapons for familiarization.]]

=== MG42 ===
In the mini-series, the [[MG42]] is seen multiple times, being fired from window openings in towns, and in stand-offs with the German armoured vehicles in the advance into France. Most notably, the mini-series did not fail to demonstrate or imply the demoralizing effect of the gun on U.S. troops, and this is a notable achievement for the film-makers, who added this realistic view, which before, had never been seen in such vivid detail in any previous war-film, barring of course, documentaries with actual war-time footage.
[[Image:MG42.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|MG-42 As used in Band of Brothers]]
[[Image:Bob1mp40stgmg.jpg|none|thumb|601px|In "Currahee" (Ep.1), an MG42 is seen on the wall along with other German weapons.]]
[[Image:Bob2mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht machine gun crew firing their MG42.]]
[[Image:GermanMG42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An MG42 and its dead crew can be seen behind Bill Guarnere ([[Frank John Hughes]]) and Pvt. Gerald Lorraine ([[Simon Fenton]]) at Brecourt Manor.]]
[[Image:Bob3mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Fallschirmjager MG42 crew fires from a bedroom window at Shifty Powers during the battle of Carentan.]]
[[Image:Bob3mg422.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An SS MG42 team firing at Easy Company during the episode "Carentan." In a background another can be seen mounted on an Sd.Kfz. 251 halftrack.]]
[[Image:GermanMG423.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An SS soldier carries an MG42 during the retreat.]]
[[Image:Bob4mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht machine gun crew fires from a rooftop in "Replacements".]]
[[Image:Bob5mg42.jpg|none|thumb|600px|An SS machine gun crew is seen firing the MG42 in "Crossroads". Winters wonders why the crew was giving away their position by firing.]]

==Other==
=== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ===
In "Day of Days", Lt. Winters is seen using a German [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] in order to spike an enemy artillery gun at Brecourt Manor. One lands next to Joe Toye and Popeye Wynn nearly blowing them up, during the same battle.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|A Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]
[[Image:Bob2g.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters primes the "potato masher"]]
[[Image:WintersPotatoMashers.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Winters carries a bundle of "Potato Mashers." through the trenches.]]

=== Panzerfaust ===
A German soldier is seen lugging a [[Panzerfaust]] in "Replacements".
[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|none|thumb|600px|]]
[[Image:Bob4pz.jpg|none|thumb|600px|A Wehrmacht grenadier lugs a Panzerfaust in "Replacements".]]

=== Panzerschreck ===

A [[Panzerschreck]] is seen discarded in a pile of of debris in "Bastogne"; Bernard J. 'Doc' Ryan and Pvt. Edward 'Babe' Heffron walk past it while headed to Third Battalion's position in search of medical supplies.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Panzerschreck 88mm]]
[[Image:BOBPZ1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The discarded Panzerschreck, sitting atop a junk pile. The stock of an MP40 is visible below it.]]

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Talk:Resident Evil: Afterlife

2010-08-22T22:54:32Z

DRC92:

== Another one? ==

I still can't believe they are making another RE movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::Just don't take it seriously.
:::Unfortunately Excalibur, I'm with the others on this one. Just don't watch it and stop complaining about it ;) LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::But I LOVE to bitch about things [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::::I can't wait for this movie. :) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with spartan, the movie looks awsome

:::::I for one LOVE these movies. When I heard there is another one I was like "YES, please! Gimme gimme gimme." [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 22:04, 11 April 2010

The only problem I have with the franchise is that the endings are confusing to me. Maybe I'm just not paying close enough attention, but the end of the 2nd film lost me; when they run from the helicopter crash yet return in Umbrella Gear and pick Alice up. Can anyone explain? Anyway, I am looking forward to this film. LASTMANSTANDING
*I wonder why they are still making more of these despite those negative reviews and ratings. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Becasue they are still making a handsome profit at the boxoffice and video rentals. Who cares about the critics? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it me or are some elements from this based on Akira, Example: Alice has telekentic powers, it's in some far east country, Lots of Soldiers attack yet are killed, Wesker has a Desert Eagle-[[User:Big guns 100|Big guns 100]]

==Macedonian Shooting==
it is just me or dose it look like Wesker is using the Russian shooting style called Macedonian Shooting?
:just you

:It's just dual wielding or Akimbo. There's nothing tactical about it. And if only the Russians invent a style for double guns, then it shows you how good it is if the Russians are using it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

:"Macedonian shooting"? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:A simple google search of Macedonian Shooting turns up that it was supposedly utilized by NKVD officers who were equipped with two double action revolvers, and was more a method of forcing an enemy to cover than trying to accurately land shots on target. Also Ed McGivern talked about dual wielding in his Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting Book, something about teaching some techniques for it to Law Enforcement Officers of the 1920's or some such, so let's cut the nationalistic horseshit. This isn't the Cold War, you don't gotta kill a Commie for Mommy or whatever. Grow up. --[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] 10:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::No you should grow up Toadvine. Don't know where THAT tirade came from. But the Russians currently do a lot of things which western weapons and fighting disciplines look askance at. The 'spider/hand' style of patrolling, the acrobatic Spetznas training, etc. Face it. The Russians do weird things. Or things that seem weird to us. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, seriously, does anyone actually know if the Spetznaz are trained to do the whole 'Backflipping off a springboard while throwing a tomahawk' shit? Because I've never been sure if that was fact or fiction. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

acora, I don’t think they train to actually use some of their techniques as an actual combat method I think they use them purely to develop the sense in their troops that they are superior to normal soldiers because they can do such cool looking stuff. also I think there’s a fairly cunning amount of psyops going on. "don’t screw with spetznas they are like crazy ninjas" wouldn’t necessarily effect well disciplined troops but it should put the fear of god into the average grunt from around the world. they certainly do have some crazy demostration stuff that they do for open days and base shows. Fenris357 1255hrs 26 july 2010

Well just because they do something weird, doesn't mean that it's weird, it might be weird to us but to them its perfectly normal. I'm sure to them some of our training is weird to them. But imagine if the U.S. and Russia made an elite fighting force, no one would fuck with them. [[User:DRC92|DRC92]]

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I can't wait for it i loved the first 3

has anyone noticed that Alice's double barreled shotguns have black grips of the first photo?
:Rubber. I think she's gonna smack someone with it or just drop them.

Alice seems to always dual wield every weapon she has. The shotguns and 629's in this film, P-14's and kukris in Extinction, batons, MP5K's and P-14's in Apocalypse. Next thing she probably carries dual M4's, or even M60's. --[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 13:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC) She was using P-18's in Extinction.
::It looks more badass + bigger firepower. And in first part she packed single beretta if i remember rite.

i thought there was something different with them rubber it is then

nice

==Samurai Edge==
I hope we get to see Weskers custom Beretta.

Seems he is wielding dual Desert Eagles. So tell me as somebody that has not have the movies ruine the game (since i've never played them), what does Weskers custom Beretta look like? Anybody got any pics [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 21:56, 11 April 2010

Just look at the RE5 page.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

After googling it I have to ask: "Am I missing something?". It's just a Beretta 92 with a full dust cover with a rail. [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 07:45 13 April 2010 (GMT)

:You definitely are missing something. It has a bevertail tang (something that no production 92F has), a tactical rail, extended magazine catch, skeletal hammer, plus the multitude of features found on the other Samurai Edge customs (extended slide-stop, custom multi-layered grips, brigadier slide).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

:: Fair enough but nothing I cannot do with my Beretta 92 except for the bevertail. I haven't seen that option to buy somewhere. But I did miss something cause the images I got definately didn't show all of those features. Thanks for the info. :) Does somebody have an image to stick here. :) :) [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 11:38, 16 April 2010 (GMT)

:::Like I said, a 92F beavertail was never put into production, so that means that such a frame would have to be custom crafted. Plus all of the other features together would be well over $1,000 for someone to replicate. And there's no reason to put an image of it here; just go to the RE5 page on this site. All of the customizations can be easily seen there.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 16:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer the standard model. Don't really need all that, when it's already a pretty damn nice-looking gun. [[User:Anti-Umbrella Activist|Anti-Umbrella Activist]]

== Sunglasses reflection ==

Actually is is very much Ali's Claire Redfield. Try reading some of the set reports for the movie because IMDB isn't going to tell you anything except for who is playing who.

You know your absolutely right...IMDB is never wrong...EVER. Lets just forget the fact that they had Kacey listed as Jill Valentine for over a month.

Look at Kacey's upwards turned nose and very full lipped mouth.

I don't see anyone commenting on my proof that is is Claire that I posted below. Everyone decide to shut up now that you've been proven wrong?

:That's not a terribly mature response. And start signing your posts.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

and if you noticed under i did comment that you were right "NICELY DONE" but you remained a dick, i agree entirely with pistol junkie you are immature you are most probably oblivious of that fact.--[[User:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

:You're not helping things by responding like that, either.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

its my arguement stop butting in im allowed to respond in any way i can and want --[[User:moviemaster1993]]

:If that's your belief, you may want to review the site's [[Rules, Standards and Principles]], specifically Principles.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 09:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

...no

anyway you are argueing too if you haven't noticed so you look at the rules too before you start telling others to stop what your doing --[[User:moviemaster1993]]

:I'm not referring to arguing or debating. I'm referring to hostile, profane insults towards other users. It would seem you did not bother to read the page that I linked to.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 12:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

calling somebody immature is still an insult nonetheless. the rules apply to everyone even you. [[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

:::Well [[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]]. Looks like you got the last laugh. [[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]] was banned for being a dick and a mega douche. :) Just commenting that's all. :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Wesker vs Chris, Claire and Alice ==

It's called research people. Read it and weep fools.

http://scifiwire.com/2010/04/resident-evil-afterlife-n.php

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/19697

Oh and here is a side by side picture of the girl in the lens and Kacey. You'd have to be a complete moron to think they even look the same.

http://img173.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=50647_Untitled_3_122_73lo.jpg

Well would you look at this. Seems like Ali Larter herself did an interview for the fine folks over at ShockTillYouDrop.com and wouldn't you know it...she talks about the fight scene.

"Shock: You know that big fight scene coming up next week with Wentworth and Shawn [Roberts]. Have you been practicing? What's it been like?

Larter: We did. We did some stunt rehearsal for that which is great. I think that a lot of the fan boys are going to be thrilled because it is beat by beat from the videogame. It is drawn directly from it and I think with this movie, one of the most exciting things is that this is the most like the videogame. I mean, I'm dressed in the outfit that Claire wears. You see me and Chris in this fight sequence, it's really beat for beat."

source - http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/interviewsnews.php?id=14786

aaaaaah i guess you were right

nicely done

::the movies have already ruined the back story of RE, now they got stuff from RE 5, so yeah, circle complete. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't see how the movies could have ruined the game plot considering both are entirely separate universes. That's like saying Prince of Persia (2008) ruined the plot of the Sands of Time Trilogy even though it had nothing to do with the Sands of Time plot. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:Look, when you make a movie based on something, you expect it to at least respect the source material. The RE movies were only too busy doing cameo moments to the games. Nothing about the story makes sense compared the source it's based on. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::Tell that to Uwe Boll --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 05:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::That's just it, these movies are '''based on''' the games, not '''identical to''' them. I don't get why people want video game movies to be word-for-word, scene-for-scene translations of the games themselves. I want to see something I haven't already seen, as I imagine a lot of other people do. I don't want to know what happened or who's going to live and die before the movie even starts filming. Or does playing the games mean I'm somehow not entitled to an original plotline? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:::It's not that people want an exact replica of the games. We just want something decent. It's hard to make a movie based on a video game, much like making a movie based on a book. The Lord of the Rings series cut out HUGE chunks of the books. It's understandable. How are you going to collapse 600 pages of text into a two hour movie? It's the same with video games. Condensing 6-8 hours of gameplay into 1.5-2 hours of a movie is hard. I think people would mind it less if it was canon, instead of "it's another universe so we can do whatever the hell we want." Degeneration was canon. This is probably the reason that the game fans don't like the movie.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 15:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::::I found the Anderson movies to be just that, ''decent''. They weren't perfect, but they sure as hell "respect the source material" a lot more than even ''Capcom'' does these days. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:You seriously believe that Anderson is respecting the source material of Resident Evil better than Capcom? I mean the first 2 movies are ok, but once he started to do the end of the world, Road Warrior look in the 3rd movie. Then with clones of Alice and now he's just ripping off character concepts from RE5... [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They might as well be. They wasted over six years' worth of material in ten seconds with RE4 (seriously, what the hell), and ended the entire series' plot arcs in two (with RE5).

I liked Romero's script a hell of a lot better, even if it does go off the rails a little; at least it's still ON them.

The problem I have with the movies (even Degeneration) is that they pull all of these BS "character development"; it's PLOT development. The characters aren't even character in their own right anymore, they're just mouths to say cute little quips and trigger fingers to shoot guns with.

[[User:Anti-Umbrella Activist|Anti-Umbrella Activist]]

==Shotguns==

I can clearly see from the stills alice has the revolvers under her arms anf the dual sawn offs on her back. So why does it say she holsters them under her arms. Look at the pics! --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

it looks like the sholder holsters are connected to the shotgun holsters

the revolvers are in the front ones
and the shotguns are in the back one LOLipops

==Alice==

Alice is really packing some heavy hardware in this movie.--[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]] 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== Akimbo ripoffs ==

Ever since Modern Warfare 2 came out, I think the makers of this movie are playing on the akimbo feature. I mean: akimbo twin-barrels, akimbo revolvers, what more is there? Anybody agree, or see anything?

Hasn't she dual wielded almost everything she's fired since the second movie? --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree she dual wielded her MP5Ks and her Para-Ordnance P-14s. And in the third film she dual wielded her Para Ordinance PXT LDA Light Rails. [[User:AceV|AceV]]

Not everything is an MW2 ripoff. Even if that's where you got all your gun knowledge from. And sign your posts. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

i would like to add something. I know my guns but i do like how mw2 teaches people about them.

[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

Except Modern Warfare 2 is WRONG. About TONS of stuff.-protoAuthor 00:10, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

i was only trying to make the arguement equal for you to stop argueing with people
take the fucking winchester out your ass and stop causing trouble. [[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

Shooting guns akimbo has always been in media. I mean, watch any good cowboy movie or John Woo movie. John Woo's movie has perfected the art of double guns in movies [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree Excalibur01 chow yun fat in a john woo movie perfect akimbo lol
[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

Shooting guns akimbo is about as old as guns themselves are. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Gotta love how people saying akimbo guns must be based on Modern Warfare, despite the fact that people wielding guns akimbo has been around in movies and television since the 1930's. Hell, I recently saw a Western themed episode of the THREE STOOGES where their cowboy friend pulls 2 pistols at once. Seriously people, just cause MW has something doesn't mean everything else that has that same thing is based on it, ESPECIALLY when said thing has been around much longer than MW. I'll also note MW wasn't the first game to feature it either, Rise of the Triad had it, Blood had it...and these are games that are too old to even run on my current PC. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 13:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Those other games aren't as mainstream thats why. The newer Goldeneye you could dual wield most guns. Most of these people don't understand that MW2 got dual wielding for somewhere else. Unless IW has a timemachine and went back in time and influenced others like John Woo about dual wielding.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Certainly not as mainstream as Halo 2... (note: that was sarcasm) or its ancestor, Marathon, which along with Rise of the Triad were the first game to feature akimbo guns. (They have the same release date.) Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.² featured the option to wield two non-matching guns at once. Of course, Marathon came out in 1994 - A Better Tomorrow and its iconic portrayal of Chow Yun Fat wielding pistols akimbo in a John Woo movie came out 1986, which would only be around 23 years before Modern Warfare came out. There have been probably '''hundreds''' of video games and movies where a character is depicted as using two firearms at once. From my desk, if I look at my video game collection, I can see ten or fifteen from here. Never mind if I turn and look at my movie shelves. But Google "dual wielding in video games" and most of the hits will be about Modern Warfare 2. Why? Because if the hype about dual-wielding in MW2 is any indication, video gamers have a memory lasting no more than 3 years. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 13:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Well gamers who are under 15 years old, which are most of the players. Us "older" guys remember way back then [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

First game I remember dual wielding is Goldeneye for the PS2, a few years before even Call of duty 3.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, first one I remember is Rise of the Triad, back in '95. You could dual wield pistols, which had unlimited ammo to boot. Absurd, but fun. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

:First game I remember dual wielding in is [[Dino Crisis 2]], with Regina and her two MP5KNs. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

:Original Timesplitters for me. DOUBLE MINIGUNS!!!1 [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

::My question is ow long has it been called akimbo? Absolutely evey single time I've ever seen two guns being used by one person at the same time I've always refered to it or heard it refered to as either dual-wielding or simply "shooting two guns", up until MW2 started calling it Akimbo. I thought it was just trying to be original or artsy or whatever, as its actual definition has absolutely nothing to do with holding two guns or even holding anything, but people on here are calling it Akimbo too, so have I just happened to have never heard it called that before or has MW2 corrupted this place too?

::For any thirteen-year-old COD fanboys who might think that the term "Guns Akimbo" comes exclusively from Modern Warfare 2, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_wield#Etymology please learn how to use the internet.]--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The first Left 4 Dead if you went through a Campaign using just two pistols you complete the achievement, Akimbo Assassin.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removed the scarab device and axe ==

These are not guns and should not be on the page [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:Agree. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree, as well --[[PunisherDave]]

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DRC92: New page: Name: Dylan B-day: Oct. 22 1992 State/City: Tucson, Arizona I'm one of the most unusal people when it comes to firearms. I love them but feel that no one should privetaly own a full auto g...

Name: Dylan B-day: Oct. 22 1992 State/City: Tucson, Arizona I'm one of the most unusal people when it comes to firearms. I love them but feel that no one should privetaly own a full auto gun. Unless it's been in the family or has some historical meaning to it. Also I can't stand those dumbass at the range who think they're special forces, which tend to me yelling at them and on a few ocassions talking with my fist. I'm going into the NAVY after highschool. My favorit line ever is There's no school like old school and i'm the head mster

'''Favorite Guns'''
Ak-47- gonna honnor my roots
Sig Sauer- just a great frickin company
G36 series- not even gonna explain
Western anything- except the peacemaker (good gun but not for me) ACR- just a good gun
A select few M-16/m4 variants- sr-25, and a few others i can't name. H&K MK.23- uncle owns one and he said i get it in his will
Mosin Nagant- my hunting rifle =)
M-1 Carbine- i'm deadly accurate with it.
1911 and all copys of it- but it can't be in 9mm
All shot guns except for over unders Most old school guns.

'''Least Favorite Guns'''
Most M-16/M4 models- hate the light weight of them
All glocks- feels like i'm gonna crush it in my hands

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Name: Dylan
B-day: Oct. 22 1992
State/City: Tucson, Arizona
I'm one of the most unusal people when it comes to firearms. I love them but feel that no one should privetaly own a full auto gun. Unless it's been in the family or has some historical meaning to it. Also I can't stand those dumbass at the range who think they're special forces, which tend to me yelling at them and on a few ocassions talking with my fist. I'm going into the NAVY after highschool. My favorit line ever is ''There's no school like old school and i'm the head mster''

'''Favorite Guns'''
Ak-47- gonna honnor my roots
Sig Sauer- just a great frickin company
G36 series- not even gonna explain
Western anything- except the peacemaker (good gun but not for me)
ACR- just a good gun
A select few M-16/m4 variants- sr-25, and a few others i can't name.
H&K MK.23- uncle owns one and he said i get it in his will
Mosin Nagant- my hunting rifle =)
M-1 Carbine- i'm deadly accurate with it.
1911 and all copys of it- but it can't be in 9mm
All shot guns except for over unders
Most old school guns.

'''Least Favorite Guns'''
Most M-16/M4 models- hate the light weight of them
All glocks- feels like i'm gonna crush it in my hands

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

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DRC92:

==CLIP==
Why does everybody on this show, even the "experts" call the magazines "Clips." It pisses me off to no end.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:Because they aren't actually experts. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:18, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Shocking-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

yeah even geoff calls them clips, i like the show but acknowledge its stupidity [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 21:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

So what if they call them clips. it's basically the same thing. My uncle's a firearms instructor and he even calls them clips. [[User:DRC92|DRC92]]

== Moving Season 1 ==

Was it really nessessary to give Season 1 it's own page? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:I only moved it because it was making the page too long. Kinda like how the 24 page was divided up into seasons; the page was also getting too long. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 00:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

==Small mistakes==
As I'm watching this show, I notice way too many small errors.
For example, in Spetznaz vs. GB, they list the Makarov as 9mm. While it's true that it's 9mm, the 9X18 Makarov round is NOT the same as the 9X19.

And the Ninja's weapon, the Ninjatō, never had proof that it was real, Ninja's used Katanas. Also, the Ninja wearing black, is just a stereotype, in the woods they would wear something like green.

:I was in a class that teaches the art of Ninjutsu and even the master said that ninjas use whatever they can get their hands on. They are real special forces like [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Another mistake I noticed in the Yakuza vs Mafia episode. The Walther P38 is listed as the Yakuza sidearm of choice, but in the specs screen shown for the weapon the illustration on top is a Luger P08.

==Richard Mackowitz?==
Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I swear that guy firing the 416 is Mack from [[Future Weapons]]. O_o Compare these shots...
[[Image:DW PSD demo.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Steve Gordon demonstrating an HK416 by firing it at a range instead of the PSD.]]
[[Image:DW PSD angle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another angle of Gordon firing with the 416.]]

...to one taken from the Future Weapons page of Mack crouched over a rifle while wearing similar headgear.
[[Image:Fwm992.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:Well that's because both of them are bald and have the same shape of a head. It did make me glance twice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Pirates vs. Knights==
That line-up was pretty laughable. Not sure who the pirate "experts" were, but they didn't know a thing they were talking about. Pirates carrying at least 4 to 6 pistols, a blunderbuss, AND grenados...yeah, no. And even going as far as to called them "trained soldiers." Pirates were poor rag-tag pillagers. Few were ever armed with more than one firearm and the chance for misfires for the flintlocks and the blunderbuss is ridiculous. Overall it would've been a sword fight and the knight's shield and sword combo with combat training would've easily taken down the pirate--no contest if the knight stayed on his horse.

--
This show is awesome, heh I hear they are going to have Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz and IRA vs. Taliban

Yeah it is awesome. I think the Spetsnaz are going to win over the Green Berets next week. I haven't heard anything about the IRA vs. Taliban fight though.

:I agree totally. Spetsnaz could kick Special Forces' ass. but dont tell any i said that! -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Whoever edited the page last is totally wrong. It should have the M4A1, AKM assault rifle, Mossberg 590, Saiga shotgun, RGD-5 grenade, M67 grenade, Beretta M9, Makarov pistol, SVD Dragunov, and M24 sniper rifle.

==Ridiculous show==
This show is ridiculous. Many of the match ups aren't fair to either or both sides, since they are just 'assuming' many things. Also many of the comparisons are purely '''apples vs oranges'''. In the Mafia versus Yakuza, comparing a Thompson to a Sten????? WTF? Two different types of guns for different purposes. the M1928 with a 100 round drum is ridiculously HEAVY and no soldier would want to be running around a lying prone with it (which is why the M1 &M1A1 with their stick mags were developed in WW2). The Sten is lighter and holds a 32 round stick mag. It was a very simplified design done for the sake of mass production during time of war, and it was much more suited to commando raids and airborne ops than the Thompson with a 100 rd drum, just because of weight and types of magazines.

Sure the historical tests of the weapons are fun and all, but all serious military historians think that the "matchups" are just stupid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, the Sten and the Thompson are both submachine guns for close range fighting, and no military ever used the 100 round drum. Thompsons in airborne landings used 30 round magazines that were much better than the Sten's.

:''I've seen the first episode, the Yakuza vs. Mafia matchup, and this week's Spetsnaz vs. Green Beret episode. I can't say I have a problem with the Spetsnaz "winning", but I have serious problems with the testing they did. The ballistic knife over the E-Tool was the most ridiculous thing I've seen, by far, and while I can't say I've studied Spetsnaz tactics to any real extent, I refuse to believe that they really move around like they're shooting Hard Boiled 2.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:SpetnazPoster.jpg|center|600px]]

::I agree, their shooting style was just...overblown. The fast crouching and ducking and shooting was just...stupid. They shoot their sidearms with one hand apparently, and got a better hit ratio over the Green Beret who shot faster and holding his M9 with both hands. The comparison wasn't as bad as the Mafia and Yakuza where they compared a P38 to a double barrel shotgun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

::::''I have read several articles written by former police and military combat instructors which discuss how the singlehanded grip, while less effective for long range target shooting, can be much more flexible and effective than the double handed grip. Practice is far more important than which grip is used, if the Spetsnaz soldier had trained more with a one hand grip than the Green Beret did with both than he would obviously perform better. Keep in mind, handguns have been around since the 1500's and the two-handed grip did not come into widespread usage until the 1950's.''

:::''The "final fight" was even worse. I'm fairly certain that any self-respecting soldier is going to carry multiple mags for any weapon they carry into battle. Here, the Green Beret empties his M9...and drops the gun. I almost screamed at the TV, "RELOAD! RELOAD, YOU FOOL!" At least the one on one between the Yakuza and Mafia soldier seemed somewhat realistic.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:I know, it's like the Green Beret was thinking "Hey, I still have extra mags for my M4, but I rather use my M9. Hey, my M9 is empty, but instead of reloading, I'm going to use...my SHOVEL!" It's ridiculous. In one of the other forums, someone suggested that the show shoulda gotten the Russian and Green Beret guys in a paintball field, gave them guns that shoot sim ammo and rubber knives and have them go at it. At least that would have been more accurate results than some computer tests! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that a paintball match at a combat town would show off more of their small unit tactical training, than the bullshit 'test' they do on the show. That would be interesting to see! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure you guys caught the mention of the M4A1's four-position selector *rolls eyes*... Obviously the guys they hired to portray these ex-SOF soldiers didn't do their homework. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:It would make sense to compare ANCIENT weapons. I think there are interesting comparisons between short swords, pikes, spears and other edged weapons FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. But when it comes to firearms, COME ON! Like someone said, they 'tested' the Yakuza versus the Mafia by testing the Walther P38(!!) to a double barrel shotgun(!!!??) WTF? How about comparing the P38 to the Model 10? or the 1911? But then the Model 10 and 1911 were also used by the Yakuza. All of the Firearms testing on this show is ridiculous and stupid. The only valid 'comparisons' are between the ancient weapons, like the Zulu short spear or the Roman sword or the Scimitar, etc. etc. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::There were problems in comparing "ancient" weapons. I mean the Viking vs Samurai, they didn't mention that Vikings had bows and arrows too and they "tested" a viking axe to a Samurai sword! They didn't want to do the long sword vs the Katana why? I mean the samurai also used spears, but they didn't show that in the episode, just a bow vs a viking spear. Come on! The ninja vs spartan was also weak since all the weapons weren't matched up except sword against sword. Well at least for the next 2 weeks they're going back to actual warriors of old like Shaolin vs Mauoi, and 2 actual people of history Shaka Zulu vs William Wallace. But their last episode is going to be the worse, the IRA vs the Taliban! That is just..stupid. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah and in Vikings .V. Samurai, the Viking snapped the Samurai's spine w/ a battle axe, but lost anyway. WTF?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:::''IRA versus Taliban? Despite each group being completely different philosophy/theology/motivations/goals/limitations etc, the show could just show a Bomb going off in a pub (IRA) or a truck driving UP to a marketplace and then blowing up (Taliban)....Yeeesshhhhh! MPM2008''

The only thing I've liked about this show so far was the actual ninja vs Spartan battle. It was fairly entertaining, if nothing else (even though it was a serious mismatch). Like comparing an AK to an AR hasn't been done 674356789765545675 times before...? They should stick to matching up pre-gunpowder warriors, IMO. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:If it was Ninja vs Pirates, then that would be awesome [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Fuck that, i want zombies versus gladiators[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just saw the Yakuza vs. Mafia & Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episodes, and I think I have a migrane now. They used a Luger P08 as a "Walther P38" and had a so-called "expert" saying the M4A1 has a "4-position selector switch" and is capable of both burst AND automatic fire. What the hell? They also had a Saiga-12 with a hunting-style stock rather than the mil-spec pistol grip. They also used a 7.62x39mm folding-stock AK to represent the 5.45x39mm "AK-74 carbine" I guess this should be expected from a channel with shows as ''Manswers''... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Another glaring error; in the Green Berets/Spetznaz episode, U.S. military personnel NEVER wear berets in combat! That is PURE hollywood! Those soldiers would have been wearing kevlar helmets, patrol caps, boonie hats, or -maybe- a baseball cap, but NOT their freakin' berets which are only worn in non-combat situations such as when on base stateside. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Navy Seals during the Vietnam War did use Berets, Bonnie hats, Bush Hats and those baseball-cap style green caps they used when they weren't in combat. Alongside all kinds of bandanas but, they depicted the green berets and the russians in modern day and even that Spike TV managed to fuck up. The Spetznaz doesn't use AKMs. They use AK-74Ms.

::Well, the were accurate enough by at least saying the Spetznaz use AK-74s, but in the show we don't see a single AK-74 like gun at all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::They said AK-74 not AK-74M but that is just nitpicking. They also called the AK-74 a carbine not a assault rifle. This show is dumb.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Four position Safety==
I hate to break it to some of you but they do in fact make a four position safety for the M-16 series rifle. You used to be able to buy them a few years back in the Shotgun news.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Really? That a fact? But we're talking about the Green Berets here. Do you really think they use M4s with 4 selections? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't know the only time I have handled an official US issue M-4A1 was about ten years ago and it was safe-Semi-Full. from what I understand the four position safety was designed as an experiment and latter sold comercially. Given that the weapons are shown comertially then it is possible that such a selector on that rifle. As far as the "Green Beret"'s go I'm sure they have an example or two stored in the back of a bunker or two. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There was NOT any four-selector AR-15 based rifle EVER created. If you ever had any AR-15 rifle dissasembled, or even if you ever handled any, you would have know, that a four-selector switch is purely impossible. ALL issued variants have/had only a three-position selector switch - either for save/semi/auto (early models Colt 601,602, various carbine versions, the M16A3 and others) or save/semi/burst (M16A2, M16A2 etc). Concerning the M4 Carbine, the original version, Colt Model 720, adopted in 1994, was capable of firing three round burst and had M16A2 style non-remouvable carrying handle. M4A1 variant (Colt Model 925) and the SOPMOD version are capable of fully automatic fire, have remouvable carring handle, and in case of SOPMOD and M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) are fitted with M5 Knight's Armament Corporation RIS/RAS. [[Ragnar -unregistered user]]
:Sorry idiot i am calling you on your Bullshit. Look in the back issues of Shotgun News for about the past decade. it may take a while to find comertially available four position safty's for not only the M16 but for Romanian(?) AK varients. Tey were the sorts of adds that grabbed my attention because they were the sorts of odd things that you find in places that store small arms and/or the parts of. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Adendum...(http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=5760328.PN.&OS=PN/5760328&RS=PN/5760328 )Colt pattened the thing back in 1996.

This show is stupid, but It would be cool if they did Paul Kearsey VS Harry Calahan, Martin Riggs VS John Mclane, Josie wales VS Rooster Cogburn etc. At least then they would have an excuse for being so far fetched and rediculous.

==IRA Vs. Taliban==
I was kind of annoyed by the errors this show typically displays as always, but some notable ones were on Sunday with the IRA vs. Taliban episode. They claimed the Irish Republican Army used the "Armalite AR-15" as their main weapon, yet I was always under the impression they used the Armalite AR-18. And aside from that, hasn't Colt been the producer of the "AR-15" since the 70s? The guns they used on the show were M16A2/Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR rifles anyway, not Armalite guns. And they somehow tried to show the AK-47 was superior to an AR-15 by slapping a huge amount of mud on the action and pouring water down the barrel. The AK of course didn't jam and the AR did, but that's a dumb test. A gun can get dirty and jam up but if it gets THAT dirty, it isn't even a fair trial. Also, they compared an LPO-50 flamethrower to an RPG-7 (Norinco Type 69)? One is good for 20ft another can hit out at 300m. That's fair. And they claim both are MID-RANGE weapons. Also, they couldn't get the actual flamethrower used in the one incident, so they used this propane tank flamethrower that barely worked. And then they compare the slingshot to the bayonet. WTF??!! One is a hand-to-hand blade fixed to the muzzle of a gun, the slingshot is a mid-range projectile launcher. And if the IRA used it, it was more effetive than what they showed on the show. This show is dumb, I only watch it now because my friends told me it is awesome and I watch just to tear it down. Plus in the Gangsters episode, they kept saying "clip" instead of magazine, which was seriously pissing me off. And listening to David Wenham say the "British Sten uses a 30-round clip" made me want to kill everyone who makes this show. And the use of the term "drum-clip" is just insipid. There are better shows on sunday. Like Family Guy. I was mad I had to miss that just to watch this crap. Well, there's my review :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:You are right. The IRA did use AR-18s instead of AR-15s and i don't think that the IRA has a main weapon. Hell, i don't think that any guerrilla groups have main weapons. They just take what they can get, the only reason AKs are so common with guerrillas are because the Soviet Union and China gave those away like candy to enemies of the united States and because they are extremely easy to manufacture, and the use of the word clip in the show pisses me the fuck off. The computer guy also is extremely annoying. I want to shove a M67 up his ass.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, I mean, they even said in the show the IRA also uses AKs. The "British" troops with M16s is very inaccurate, since no one in the British military outside the SAS, SBS or other Special Forces uses M16 weapons. This is an even more insulting episode than the Green Berets vs the Spetsnaz! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::During the height of the IRA bombings, the British army still had the [FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]] and Sterling SMGs. The Brits never used the M16 out side elite or non-conventional units. MPM2008
Well the British forces did have numerous AR15 type rifles in inventry for use by troops in jungle enviroments, such as Brunei and Belize. British troops from most infantry regiments could expect to do a rotation in ether country for jungle warfare training. Whilst the SLR was the most common rifle seen in Northern Ireland prior to the adoption of the SA80 series, AR15s were used there by non Spec Ops troops.

:The slingshot vs bayonet comparison definitely ties with ballistic knife vs E-tool as the absolute worst mismatches I've ever seen. And after the Luger/P-38 fiasco and those so-called "Green Berets" and "Spetznaz" making complete fools out of themselves by knowing pretty much squat about their weapons, I didn't think it could get any worse.I wonder what's next on this show. Bloods vs Crips? Rainbow Six vs Ghost Recon? Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake? Old Lady vs Pickpocket? Sheesh... When it first premiered, I really enjoyed the show, but now... [[Special:Contributions/24.7.190.251|24.7.190.251]] 03:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

:This is the LAST episode. I really HOPE there is no season 2, but if there is, I'll be there to screen cap it. And I wouldn't be surprise if it's gang bangers vs other gangs. And I'd bet on Solid Snake more than Sam Fisher and Rainbow Six over Ghost Recon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, I've got better ones: LAPD vs Blackwater and George Bush vs Barack Obama. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

::Blackwater win over LAPD since the latter is a band of ex-military SF mercs, so no competition there. And if you want Bush vs Obama, just look at their presidencies and decided who wins or hope Celebrity Death match makes one. I'd say the LAPD SWAT vs the Columbian FARC. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree that Blackwater has TONS of combat vets in their ranks. Bush versus Obama, we're not talking politics here, then '''only ONE of them had any military training, and he flew F-104 Starfighters''', so there's no comparison. So you have a 'community organizer' vs 'fighter pilot' neither one has useful small arms or hand to hand training so it's kind of a moot point. Overall the show is supremely retarded. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:The most understated thing said so far. The show is supremely retard! Thank you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Green Berets and Spetznaz guys know absolutely jack shit about guns. and i agree with you MPM, this show is supremely retarded but it's Spike TV so what do you expect?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The Provisional IRA had both AR-15s and AR-18s, and some M16s as well. These were all weapons purchased by their Irish-American sympathizers in the U.S.; the M16s were stolen from Camp LeJune, while the AR-15s and AR-18s were purchased at gun stores. Qaddafi sent them large amounts of Communist bloc weaponry, including AKs (mostly Romanian AIMs), RPG-7s, DShKs, RGD-5 grenades, and CZ-75s. Qaddafi sent them some Western-made guns, too, including "Wonder Nines", FN MAGs, and the LPO-50s. But the IRA almost never used the LPO-50s, except in a single recorded incident at an Army checkpoint.

::::I also found it interesting that they glossed over the fact that the IRA was actually one of the very first terrorist groups in the world to use the RPG-7 (they first used RPGs as early as 1972). But anyway, I think it's a really ridiculous comparison because the IRA and the Taliban are completely different types of groups. The IRA is more of a gang than a guerrilla army, and would be squeamish if they had to engage in the sort of activities that the Taliban do regularly. Euro-commie radical wanna-bes vs. Islamist tribal mountain savages = the savages win. Not to mention that the Taliban's fund-raising practices are WAY above the IRA's. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It funny how these people are like rrr "I am super awesome mega warrior" It is just funny how they call themselves experts. wouldn't they actually shoot each other or be arrested for terrorist activities? Beeteles

:It seems like all these experts are all assholes too that look at the opposing side as weak jerk offs [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Every time I watch this show, I end up laughing like hell, with their so called experts who keep flinching every time they fire a gun, hilarious. Also in the Spetznaz vs. Green Berets episode, the Spetznaz "sniperexpert" misses almost half of his shots, I mean WHAT THE FUCK, even I, the worst shooter in the world, could hit that target evey time with that kind of weapon, it's built for this job and he still misses. And he claims to be a former sniper, well time to work on your skills dumbass. -Jacco Croon-

== This Page ==
This Page needs alot of work. I will try to fix it later.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:What do you mean "Alot of work"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::What i mean is that the screencaps need captions and some of the sections have no gun-pictures. It's more of "alot of work" as in quantity not difficulty.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well some of the sections without gun pictures is because I didn't know which guns they were. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== "Experts??" ==

I don't think that anyone on either side of the "Green Beret vs Spetnatz had been an "expert" for ten years or more. I meen the Green Beret was pathetic with the beretta and he had a beer belly that sticks out 20".-beeteles
:''Far be it for me to deem anyone's status at anything...I really think that the experts they get are actors who were just slightly better than the Z-list "talent" they got to do the re-enactments.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure the "experts" are retarded actors that don't know a goddamm thing about guns or anything military in general.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Case in point, Matt the Green Beret thinking his M4 was capable of both full auto and mechanical burst. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::::And I've never met a Green Beret who actually wore his green beret into the field. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::::I have, but they were Nam era Green Berets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 03:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It also comes to mind that SF wouldn't typically be chosen for the type of "mission" that was portrayed in the closing battle. An op like that would normally be assigned to Rangers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
:Really? Being not that informed or smart in shit like that,I always thought it was the enemy or situation that matterednot the operation. But again,I suck at shit like that. [[User:Pump_Shotty_Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]]
::Different units have different applications. SF would typically be dropped behind enemy lines to train indigenous forces and build alliances with them, while Rangers would carry out direct action missions. SF ''can'' do the latter, but they don't specialize in it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== green beret vs spetznaz ==

well i watched the show mainly becauseit was a modern re-anacment and well...i fuckin hate this show. the so called experts were shitty shots with the beretta. the test were really un-fair. come on. mossy 590 shooting a pig from a few yards out is supposed to be a fair test to the seiga shooting about 4 different 'jelly' targets while moving and some were behind cover. a frag grenade in side a washing machine is fair compared to throwing a grenade in a plast-glass corridor. bullshit. they wouldnt really use an E-TOOL for a melee weapon the would use a K-BAR knife. they would use kinmber 1911 variants or maybe a MK23 (or is that black-ops forces). and wasnt the makarov replaced by some other gun recently (last 5-10 years or so) --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah the [[MP-443 Grach]]-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

:Well, Marines use KA-Bars, but many servemen use them because they are very reliable. Special Forces do use glocks and the occasional Colt, but the MK23 was phased out due to it being just overall too big of a weapon. And E-tools are extremely dangerous and quite effective when you slice something with it. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

:Couple of things I would like to point out. Yes, the Makarov is slowly being replaced by the GSh-18 pistol, which came out in 2000. I agree that the tests were incredibly unfair, though even in the shotgun test, the saiga won, even though it's test was unfair. I believe they used the E-tool as the Green Beret melee weapon because if it was just a knife against a ballistics knife, the ballistics knife would have too much of an advantage. With the E-Tool, which is still a very capable weapon, they at least have a longer reach in straight up melee combat. And no, as far as I'm aware, and this is supported by my limited research on the subject, the Green Berets would use the Beretta. The only branch that ever used/still uses a Kimber model was the MEU. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.132.177|71.199.132.177]] 19:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

should have been Delta vs Spetnaz...ahhaha just kidding, but seriously that episode pissed off a ton of people, you'd think that the Green Berets would be equiped with more customized M4s and such, and each fire team would be different. wheres the team's DMR? wheres the team's machine gunner? etc etc and i mean for both sides...and a shotgun is a secProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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dary weapon, never a primary when it comes to a fireteam, unless you're in SWAT or something. M9s, M11s, MEUs, etc etc, each Green Beret or Special Forces soldier has his choice of what kind of firearms he wants to carry.
overall...bullshit

do ya know what really pissedmeoff. when the spetznaz soldier threw the grenade in the washing machine he walked off and lit up a smoke like he was some badass cool soldier. very unproffesional. and made him look like a jackass. if i was on COD...hahahah just messing around im not an 8 year old--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

:So what? The Mafia guy put a rose into the pocket of a dummy after he mowed it down with his tommy gun. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Why exactly does the image comment on the Benelli M3 say that the M4 would do better? As far as I know, they are both semi-auto tubular-magazine shotguns with similar capacities; all the M4 brings to the table is its special stock, which doesn't add up to a significant advantage over a regular tactical stock unless you're talking varied terrain or engagement ranges (going from medium to CQB to short range and back again). I haven't seen this newer episode with the M3 (I only saw the one with the Remington M870 or something), but they probably used it in pump-action only (for that extra dose of bullshit).

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:Actually it's a typo. I was refering to the M3, not the M4 since the M4 wasn't in the screen cap. I was saying that another semi auto would be better to compare to a semi auto shotgun like the Saiga [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Except the Benelli M3 is selective; you can switch between pump-action and semi-auto (the semi-auto has the same functionality as the Benelli M1, which is more or less the gold standard of rapid-response semi-auto shotguns; how can the Saiga, a re-purposed 12 Gauge variant of a sporter version of an AK, stack up to a purpose-built tactical shotgun?).

In all honesty, it really doesn't matter about fairness, because the whole test was rigged to begin with. We're talking about the same show that put a siege weapon against a battle axe.

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==Meant for Entertainment==

I do not believe this show is meant to be taken seriously, rather it is meant for entertainment and possibly sending people into fits about whatever historical badass they were rooting for. I agree that the test ARE ridiculous, unbalanced and often seem rigged but I think the show was meant for viewing pleasure and a springboard for calm discussions rather than a reason to shout and call foul. Anybody with a brain, nay half a brain, could see that these tests and "experts" are fictitious. Hell, the "advanced system" they claim to use is MS Excel. Therefore I can only logically conclude that the show is not and never was meant to be taken seriously.By the way, the RPG-7 appears to be a a Norico copy.[[User:UH-H1|Bumblebear]]

:The RPG also seems to be a fake cause the way it was fired, it looked like special effects. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::This would be a good show if they didn't fudge the "tests" and just pitted two very different people against each other. The problem with the show is that it's ridiculous, AND it tries to look real and scientific. Seriously, ditch the fake science, and Spike would be sitting on a f*cking goldmine. Zombies vs. Delta Force? Win. Pirates vs. ninjas? Epic win.--[[Special:Contributions/70.121.214.203|70.121.214.203]] 20:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I actually like this show, even though they may never show it in Australia, but I watched several episodes on the internet and it's interesting and ridiculously funny.

If they were going for shock value and the coolness factor, they would have used Simunition and a hit-detection rig instead of this "programmer" bullshit. Why did they throw the science in if they're going to just half-ass it? They should pack it in and just go for maximum collateral, like everything else that involves guns and Spike TV.

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==Season 2==
Bad news people,there is going to be a second season. --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.55.164|66.168.55.164]] 01:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC) (ThePotShot)

So???

:What next? Delta vs Chinese special forces? LA SWAT vs Columbians? Abraham Lincoln vs Hitler? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Hey, those aren't very bad ideas. Maybe they might have them in future episodes. Also can we please cut down on the criticism because like what they said earlier this show isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather more for entertainment.

:::I got it! MALL NINJAs versus COD Fanboys! Woo hoo! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

:No no, Mall Ninjas vs REAL ninjas and COD fanboys vs Battlefield fanboys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:Two new matchups- Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great and Nazi SS v/s Viet Cong (WTF?) has been confirmed for Season 2 they are also doing jesse james gang vs al capone's too which seems a little one sided [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadliest_Warrior#cite_note-18].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

::See, neither of those make sense. Attila and Alexander were better as generals then warriors, as opposed to Wallace and Zulu, who were both revered as capable fighters. The Nazi SS and the Vietcong doesn't even begin to make sense. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

According to wiki, there will be a CIA vs KGB, which is also...pretty vague. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Do you think they should do North Korean Army vs South Korean Army?

James Bond vs Jasone Bourne might be nice (Bourne wins)

Here's seaason 2's match ups,,according to Wikipedia:

SWAT vs. GSG-9: ''Ther'e both SWAT right?''

Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior ''Who's a zande?''

A Zande is essentially a north african tribal warrior... ~kinda~ like a zulu but with their own unique style of weapons

Jesse James Gang vs. Al Capone Gang ''Uhm, Thompsons vs revolvers. no contest''

Persian Immortal vs. Celt ''Ok, maybee''

Roman Centurion vs. India's Rajput Warrior

Somali Pirate vs. Medellin Cartel ''Guy with ruty AK vs guy with unlimited budget for wepons? Medellin win''

KGB vs. CIA ''What are they supposed to use?''

Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu ''Uhm, Sun was a THINKER, not a warrior, and Vlad is an overrated psycho.''

Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer

Comanche vs. Mongol

Navy Seal vs. Israeli Commandos ''Might be good''

:Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer - Musketeer has...guns. GSG-9 is German special forces. They are one of the world's first modern spec ops. They'll win. Attila the Hun v/s Alexander Great, they both had to be warriors on the field, because unlike Generals of today, back then, you have to be a good fighter to lead and these 2 live in similar times, so it's very possible. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

The Ming dynasty covers the 14th-17th century and utilized firearms as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Musketeers_in_China. Maybe we'll see matchlock vs. flintlock? I imagine they'll bugger it up fairly badly.

Actually on the website they show "bio" pics of the ming warrior with some kind of 4 barreled handganon and the musketeer is the type from the 1600s era with a matchlock musket and plug bayonet so all and all both sides actually have "fairly primative firearms

:I have great expectations for the Navy SEALSs vs. IDF Commandos and SWAT vs. GSG-9 episode (hope the supposed experts do not spoil these two). Whereas the Jesse James vs. Al Capone, Vlad the Impaler vs. Sun Tzu and Ming Warrior vs. Musketeer episode are the most @#!*% selections and even a 8 year old can figure out the winners in the first and last one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::Personally I think the Navy SEALs vs IDF Commandos (um... ''which'' IDF Commandos? IDF has a special unit for everything from CT to cleaning the head...) is gonna turn out just as bad as SF vs Spetsnaz. They're gonna get actors who don't know crap about crap to portray their "experts" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:KGB versus CIA will be weird, because as far as I know they only carry handguns, so not much to compare unless we looks at document filing, penmanship, interrogation, and maybe watercooler conversations. Also, GSG-9 will @#!*% up SWAT, SS vs VC is retarded, and on the Bond thing, let's pull a Goldeneye and have "James Bond vs entire Russian army" cause we know how that works out. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

According to this site http://www.isayeret.com/guides/units.htm, Isreal has 31 spceal forces units. Even if only a third are commando-type units, which one fights the SEALs? Flotila 13, the IDF/Navy SEAL equivelent, is best, but who knows. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"SS vs VC is retarded". Not so much as it actually happened. When the French started fighting the VC, they sent in the French Foreign Legion, who just cut the VC into ribbons. A journalist did some investigating, and found out that the FFL soldiers were actually former Waffen SS. There was great outrage in France and all of the ex-SS FFL were kicked out. That's when the French started losing. David.

for CIA vs KGB, isnt it possible its the SAD? (Black Ops) so they would probably be armed with a Sig or a Glock for a sidearm, and a heavily customized M4/416

== New complaints of the new season ==

:Just saw the new episode and when the GSG9 guy talked about the PSG-1, he called the mag a clip. Not once but 3 times. That just seemed out of place. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

ahahaha the VC would own the SS regardless. and that was funny when the GSG9 guys called the mag a clip, but they didnt even have a german accent...odd...LOL and why would they use a Mossberg when they have plenty of H&K shotguns...ahahahah this show is still bullshit when it comes to firearms comparision

:They're also inconsistent. During the IRA vs Taliban, they rated the AR-15 higher than the AK. But on the Back for Blood special when they pit the Spetsnaz against the IRA, they suddenly declared the AR-15 and AK to be evenly matched. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

It was funny when they mentioned the pirates and then mention the Somalis and I just laughed cause if you've been keeping up to date, the Somallis aren't having a good track record. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:They should do Navy SEALs vs Somali pirates. They can do all their fancy "tests" and whatnot, but then when the end comes, show a short 30 second clip of SEAL snipers downing the pirates from 300 yards away from the stern section of a frigate. XD [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

well to anser Spartan198 qustition/comment it was becuse the taliban used the AK-47 and the spetnaz used the AK-74 carbine (still think it is a bull shit connclushion tho)--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 12:11, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont know why i still watch this, i really enjoy the non firearm episodes, but seriously, can they sort the 'experts' out. Did anyone else notice one of the GSG9 guys faffing aroung with a winchester trech shotgun, WTF? And dont get me started on the PSW/M4/416 mark your minds up. I also didnt see the point in a non leathal ssection on a show called deadliest warrior. Deadliest. Id much rather have seen a pistol showdown the stun grenades an a wall of tasers, ok rant over. Till next week i guess - captain snikt

@Armyguy277: So? An AK74 is just an AKM chambered for the smaller cartridge. Otherwise, it's the same identical gun. FYI, no AK74s were ever used anywhere in this show. The Spetsnaz were armed with AKMs just like the Taliban were. And the AK74 isn't a carbine, it's a rifle. The carbine version of the 74 is the AKSU-74. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

In the GSG9 vs SWAT, the guys representing GSG9 weren't even GSG9 operators. One of them is a Gebirgsjäger, mountain infantryman of the Bundeswehr, who was never in the BGS/BPol. The other one, though a GSG9 combat instructor, was an instructor for hand to hand combat. The two SWAT guys on the other hand, were actual D platoon officers. The two German guys are good, but when they do the room clearing, they can't match the speed of someone who actually participate in mission or train everyday.

Also, I found the stingball grenade vs. taser shockwave comparison to be completely bogus since they are totally different class of weapon. When the German guys point out that the stingball is more maneuverable, they just use a single taser and test it on a subject and then declare taser superior. I mean WTF... For me, D platoon could do no wrong, but this show is totally unfair to the GSG9. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 19:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the GSG9 guys' time in the room takedown "test" seemed a bit too fast for what they actually did. I also noticed they had a particularly slow rate of fire. I know I counted at least half a second between each of the three rounds one put into that first target dummy. And I'm not too sure of their reasoning for yelling "target" loud enough that everyone in the killhouse could hear. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, and is it just me, but did anyone notice one of the "operators" handling a Winchester 1897? I swear I saw it at one point. Also did the LWRC PSD switch back with a standard M4A1 when they were switching between "prep" and live fire? Also I have to agree with the "comparison" of the stingball/taser shockwave. The stingball would be the more practical of the two whereas the shockwave, though cool looking, is almost impractical. Seriously if riot cops have to set that thing up before use ya think maybe the rioters will rush them before it can be deployed?

In addition the one thing I found odd, and please correct me here, is the SWAT use of lethal force. I was always under the impression that SWAT used lethal force as a last result (yes I know this was a "combat" situation) but, at their core, they are cops who prefer to arrest suspects. I refer specifically to one scene where a SWAT operator guns down a wounded GSG-9 operator. GSG-9 on the other hand is, by their very nature, supposed to do nothing but use deadly force. Rant completed [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:Well, GSG 9 is technically a police tactical unit too. When the situation permit, they would attempt to arrest suspect too (hence the use of non-leathal weapons such as the stingball). Just as for SWAT, when the lives of civilians or officers are threatened, SWAT officers wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force to neutralize the suspect. As for the combat simulation at the end of the episode, it was the dumbest thing I ever saw. The only amusing part for me was that the taser shockwave proved inferior to the stingball grenade in actual combat. --[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 10:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought GSG-9 were Counter Terrorist special forces kind of group. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it's idiotic to pit a regional rapid-response team to a federal counter-terrorism/mobile response force; it's like trying to compare an officer of the Gendarmerie Nationale against FBI special agents. It would have made much more sense to use the FBI HRT, GIGN, or equivalent. Also, their entire method of testing is just bullcrap. I say use Simunition and a hit detection rig and let them at each other; for hand-to-hand, there are plenty of compact force detection rigs, and I'm sure that almost all of these organizations have cross-trained before.

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==G36C, Season 1?==

The section of Season 1 that was about the G36C was wrong. It incorrectly labeled the gun, since it was a G36K, not a G36C. I've fixed it, but if anyone wants to inspect it to make sure I'm not just seeing things, go ahead. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Just Pathetic==

I was quite stoked for the new season. But when I watched the IRA vs Spetsnaz bit on the special, I noticed that when the announcer describes the G3 sniper rifle, the fucking picture beside him is a G36K! I could understand a slight mistake, but considering these are two COMPLETELY different weapons of different eras, that's plainly unacceptable. [[Special:Contributions/142.167.158.222|142.167.158.222]]

:They did the same thing with the Walther P38 and had the stat image be a Luger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I believe we have now officially left the land of "Did Not Do Their Research", and have entered the realm of "They Just Didn't Care."--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

::As horrible as their firearm "tests" and the like have been so far, they just totally blew them all out of the water with the Alexander the Great vs Attila the Hun episode. They compared a one-handed Hunnic battle axe to a freaking BALLISTA! A ''melee weapon'' vs a ''siege engine''? Seriously, WTF?! That's like comparing an M9 bayonet to the 120mm main gun on an Abrams tank! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Uhhh. What????==
Ok I've watched a couple episodes and I have to say this show is ........... well it's stupid. That's the only way I can describe it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we all agree on that [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Yeah, comparing a battle axe designed for melee combat to a ballista designed to attack structures and large formations was the last straw. This show has lost all credibility. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about ya, but has Spike TV received any complaints though???

Online fan complaints are always going on [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== I am now pissed! ==

A grenade vs a Winchester repeating rifle?! The Tommygun vs the peacemaker?! Brass Knuckles vs pistol whipping someone. And Al Capone LOSES to the cowboys?! This show never ceases to piss me off. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Man that was rigged! Besides I know more about gangster weapons compared to cowboy weapons.

It wasn't rigged they rightfully took into account that Jesse James and his boys had more experiance in marksmanship and built up speed when aligning their sights

Mobsters would most likely use a .38 snub nosed revolver of some sort while the James gang would have a mix of Remington, S&W and Colt. Also, mobsters usually shot people from behind, rarely getting into gun fights-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with the earlier comment. I believe that this was one episode where they actually made sense. The Thompson is a submachine gun but they make a valid point in that the James gang could easily outdraw a mobster and put them down before they could bring up the Thompson. The only part I didn't get was the stiletto versus the Bowie knife. More concealable? What does that have to do with anything. The Bowie is easily the more deadlier in my opinion.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably easier to bring to bear (a Bowie is a pretty decent chunk of steel, whereas the stiletto is the equivalent of a sharpened steel rod with a handle), but I agree, once you get it upon your enemy, they don't stand a chance. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

Anyone else cringe when he pistol whipped the skull with the chamber and barrel of the pistol and not the butt, hope he wasnt planning on using that gun to shoot with if he pisto whips like that - Captain Snikt

Probably put the damn thing out of lock. [[Special:Contributions/70.118.116.239|70.118.116.239]]

:::::I'm waiting for fluffy pillow versus toxic Fart.......[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In answer to the Pistol whipping question, that's how they used to pistol whip people, with the barrel/ cylinder area.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In fact, the Remington Model 1858 was popular with Lawmen of the period for the simple reason that it was a solid frame compared to Colt's early models which weren't. Pistol whipping was a whole lot less harmful to a solid frame. The Peacemaker was made the same way. You would have pistol whipped them with the barrel unless you were highly proficient with the bandit shift you wouldn't want to take your finger that far away from the trigger. These were fixed sight guns so you didn't have to worry about knocking the sights out of alignment. And as they proved you weren't going to damage the guns as your head is of a much weaker material.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== NAZI vs Vietcong ==

The gun match ups are just stupid for the NAZIs, I mean, they have the C96 for their handgun when the Luger is known for the gun of Germans or even the Walther P-38, but I understand not the P38 cause they did it already in the Yakuza episode. And no MP40? And a flamethrower? They've already done a Flamerthrower for the IRA, why another one? I guess they don't want the AK or any AK variants for the Vietcong? This was just disappointing. They don't even take into account that the Vietcong is jungle warfare vs the NAZIs SS that never had jungle warfare training. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:You might as well stop bitching about this show's infinite stupidity, because everyone knows this show is made by mall ninjas, for mall ninjas. I can't imagine how many points my IQ dropped when I watched the IRA/Taliban match-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit of history for both of you. After WWII was over the French absorbed a fairly large number of German troops into their Foriegn Legion. These German trained troops were actily fighting the Viet Mihn and kicking ass. Unfortunatly for the French some reporter broke the story that the French Government were using former German troops including members of the SS. The result was a purge of the ranks of the Foreign Legion. Soon afterwards the French being...well the french started seriously getting their tail kicked. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually this episode impressed me the most out of all the others. The Waffen SS, as they were the descendants and conquerors of the dreaded Brownshirts, favored the Mauser C96. A lot of them liked the greater ammo capacity and armor piercing capability of the 7.63mm. The MP 28 was the first issued submachine gun as it was the first that was manufactured when they broke the Versailles treaty. As for pitting it against the MAT 49, it was a fair matchup. They would have had a lot of MAT 49's left when the French were defeated. Yes this show gets a lot of stuff wrong but they are trying to do a fantasy on a thirty minute tv show as best they can. So stop bitching so much. If you had to list the entire arsenal used by the Viet Cong, you'd be here for a while. They used everything and anything they could. The choices were good. They were supplied by the Russians which explains the TT 33 as well as the MAT 49. All in all the show is entertaining. Yes they get things wrong. What show doesn't every now and then? I think that they are getting better about things though.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 16:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I know they've done AKs before, but how can you picture Vietcong without an AK47? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

And wouldn't it make more sense to pit Chechen separatists or the Taliban against the Vietcong? Why do they make a point of comparing two entities in entirely different categories? Like the SWAT vs. GS9. Why would you put a regional, local response organization against a federal rapid response unit?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

The same could be asked why a guy with a SAA can defeat guys with freaking Tommy GUNS!!!! 07:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Easy when one does exactly as they did. Fire first, hit first or come around the back and hit them. Just because one group had a tommy gun doesn't automatically mean he wins. Wyatt Earp said, "Fast is fine, accurate is final". He may have had the most rapid fire weapon but they proved that emptying a fifty round drum only produced one or two shots on a person. The James Gang had a higher ratio with their humble SAA's. Its oftentimes not the gun but the gunfighter that decides it. The James gang were well versed in firearms and tactics. Capone's gang was a bunch of thugs who used brute force and short ambushes to win. Capone's hits himself were pulled on unsuspecting men who had no chance to defend themselves. Jesse and Frank James fought Union regular army units face to face.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Only a foolish man would underestimate a SAA in a trained hand...full auto is ONLY good for cover fire. [[Spades of Columbia]]

:I'd pick a Tommy simply because it has more range, stopping power, more ammo and rapid fire. Not just in full auto, but semi auto. I'd be able to keep the guy with the six shooter down under I can flank him or short burst to control accuracy. That alone would give me an overpowering advantage against a guy with 2 SAA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, you would, and I would, just as a trained warrior would. But Capone's gang were not trained. The only thing they had any experience with is shooting unsuspecting men or drive by shootings. Even the most effective example of the Thompson's power was the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, though they relied on subterfuge and lined up the victims against the wall. The argument still stands. Both groups were used to standing and shooting it out. The James gang would have one being as they were the first to draw, the first to fire, and most importantly the first to hit. I would choose the Thompson over the SAA if I was going into battle. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Has everyone forgotten how big, heavey, and uncomfortable the tommy gun is. Jesse would have his SAA unholstered and fired before capone and anyone else trained or otherwise could even shoulder the tommy. The tommy looks cool but that is it, not easy to be accurate with and a pain to lug around. Plus a .45LC could do a hell alot more damage then a standard .45 acp. [[Spades of Columbia]]

The thompsons would be out and firing at greatter range than the SAA. Its not like youd be doing duels and quickdraws with a SMG. And seriously, grenades for longrange? Again, a thompson would be kicking ass.
-[[k9870]]

I can accept the SAA being easier to draw and more accurate, but what happens when the cowboys have to reload? They're going to get gunned down by fully-automatic SMGS [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Well...back to the discussion of VC vs SS, you have to consider that we are talking about 20-30+ years of weapons development, most importantly that of the assault rifle. The weapon choices for the both factions were relatively poor. Even though the Mp-28 was used, the MP-40 would have easily superseded it by the height of WWII. Furthermore, The SS would have mostly bolt action rifles like the Karabiner 98k or semi-auto rifles like the Gewehr 41 or 43. These things are loaded with stripper clips mind you, which is not a fast action like I don't know...magazines. These weapons lacked fire suppression, putting the SS at a volume of fire disadvantage. But you argue range? Well, without optics, and the WWII did not have widespread use of optics outside of snipers, your ironsights will likely hit something within 250 meters. I would've used the panzerfaust or panzershrek as my special weapon. Also consider this, the SS were especially good for executing unarmed civilians and terror tactics. During the invasion of Poland it is noted historically that the SS were too fanatical in their tactics and lost more men than they should have in their attacks. Their experience is European fighting and the beginning of urban warfare. The VC on the other hand would have a plethora of weapons of their choosing and a huge advantage over the SS due to weapon availability and choice. Not only do they get the leftover toys of the Soviets from WWII (which defeated the SS btw), they also have assault rifles. Now, the exclusive of the AK-47 or the Type 56 in the hands of the VC was simply absurd. The exclusion from the show shocked me. That gun, in all its amazingness,would destroy anything the SS could bring to bear. If you pair the SS WWII rifles to a VC SKS or a Draganov SVD, we're talking the advantage of scopes and larger magazines. Personally, I find the sub-machineguns available to either faction virtually too similar to gauge an advantage. Also, why no rpgs for the VC? RPGs were widely used by them and had larger warheads and shot hundreds of meters further than any SS equivalent, let alone their flamethrower. Think counter-tactics too: US troops in Vietnam had training based on experiences in WWII and had assault rifles, but were sadly outperformed by the VC. With their gurellia and "lấy anh ta bởi vành đai các khóa" (grab him by the belt buckle) tactics, they were able to swarm and at least debilitate the fighting ability or the fighting mentality of their enemy, and they were superb at it. So, the inferior weapons and fanatical SS tactics are going to beat the VC's superior weapons and guerrila counter-western tactics, laughable. I don't have any love for either faction, but I do like logic and stuff.
--[[Special:Contributions/108.0.97.230|108.0.97.230]] 11:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)DaiTaNam 5:12am, 9 June 2010

I think SS vs NVA would be more fair, the NVA were actually trained and disciplined more and an actual fighting unit, VC were peasants that were just thrown guns and told to go fight. The superior discipline of the SS troops would have them win even if the VC managed to have superior weapons (which i doubt they would, ive seen pictures with some aks, sks, etc, but most had like mosins or captured french weapony.

True that the VC were a group of peasants but the history of Vietnam was that of constant invasions from superpowers of several ages. Most would have been veterans against the French in the French Indochina War and with the brief fighting against the Japanese in WWII. That and the precursor to the Green Berets in WWII sent units to train the precursors of the VC called the Viet Minh. Therefore, their experience against enemies with with advantages such as air power, armored vehicles, tanks, a navy, and superior weapons was all but plenty of training for the surviving VC which they passed onto the next generation. Furthermore, the SS discipline was counter with their own fanaticism. Sure they didn't run away, but they also performed suicidal charge tactics, particularly in Poland and other theaters in Eastern Europe where they were also defeated by the conscript army of the Soviets. As for weapons provided, the VC would be equipped with French Mas rifles, Japanese weaponry, and mosin-nagants in the EARLY stages of the French Indochina War. After and into the Vietnam War, the Ho Chi Minh trail along with China's and Russia's blessing would have them thoroughly supplied. This supply began in the middle of the French Indochina War and persisted into the Vietnam war so AK's were in no short supply. Discipline is important, but the way of fighting countered the style of fighting of the SS and many years of weapons improvement, its one sided. --[[Special:Contributions/108.0.97.230|108.0.97.230]] 06:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)DaiTaNam 12:15am, 10 June 2010

== Meddellin cartel vs Somali Pirates ==

What do you think? I personally wanted the cartel to win but not every thing comes true

:The Car bomb and Machete were better then the hook and RPG, but honestly, the PKM and AK got most of the kills, and they were better than the M60 and Uzi. Honestly, the Uzi vs AK-47 was stupid to begin with, as obviously the longer ranged, more accurate and higher powered gun was going to win. Somali Pirates won fair and square. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

No one ever doubts the AK, but what whas the point of the exploding head, who can overheat their machine gun fastest competiton? - Captain Snikt

I like how the cartel had a remote bomb in their own car......

I was laughing when they had the Colombian dancing while carrying his M60 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 12:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
* "The dancing machine gunner!" was all I could say when I saw that. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 15:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
** That whole "intro scene" for the Cartel side with that "Latino Heat" music playing plus the alternating images of the dancing M60 man and the one guy carrying nothing but a machete practicing his fighting technique(!) was some of the funniest stuff on this show. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 11:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: For once, I knew going into the battle who would win. With the Somalis having the edge in firearms and the Colombians having the edge in a car bomb and machete, the outcome was clear. Fun to watch, and the Somali guys were badass and funny. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

In real life the somalis are poorly armed and high on Khat.

:I mean if the French can capture the Somali pirates, then anyone can [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that when they were introducing the Mini UZI they showed a MAC-10, any one see that? also M14fanboy, I wasn't saying the somalis wrongfuly won, its that I went in rooting for the cartel. Just so theres no miss understanding between us:)
*Yeah, I was watching the show with my dad, and I pointed out they showed a MAC instead of an Uzi. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 11:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:Let's be honest, the cartel aren't warriors in any sense. Murdering policemen in their homes in cold blood, killing unarmed civilians and politicians in cold blood, and trafficking cocaine does not qualify one to be a warrior. I won't say the Somalis were really warriors either, but atleast they get into actual gunfights instead of murdering innocent people. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Agreed, I just rooted for them because I like the movie Blow :)

Okay, who in their right mind would lug a PKM and/or an M60 to a gunfight? Both of these things weigh at or around twenty pounds, both could have easily replaced those with lighter machine guns. Since East-Bloc guns are a dime a dozen, the Somalis could have gone with an RPK or an RPD (more likely the RPD). Both weigh less than the PKM, and carry the same amount of rounds (okay, RPK has a 75-round drum), and the cartridges are only fifteen millimetres shorter than the PKM's, but just as lethal. As for the cartel, they could have used a Galil ARM or an early variant of the SAW, and they most likely would have gotten them from corrupt soldiers and/or policemen (not sure if the PNC has as high-quality gear as the Army) looking for a quick peso. -Any mouse

== Deadliest Warrior...riiiight ==

Okay, I've seen the discussions on this page, and it's official: Deadliest Warrior sucks. The weapons suck, the match-ups suck, and half of the winners in these match-ups would end up getting their asses blown off by the loser (Army SF vs. Spetznaz, anyone?). This is another show that's gonna entice dumbass teenagers (come August, I'm going to have to deal with them again, but I'm a senior, so hopefully this is the last time) that what's presented on that show is the real deal and they won't even bother to look up half of the crap that's presented on the show and find out the REAL truth. -Any mouse

== NO SURPRISE ==

Marketing success does not make the quality of the show. And I'm sure we can all agree that "though a person is smart, people are stupid". There are many shows that are going on forever that have no sense of intelligence, quality, or cultural/philosophical depth, but they still make massive amounts of money and continue. Also, two seasons is not a large measure of success as many shows continue for at least two seasons. It's on Spike TV at like 9 or 10 at night, what kind of people you expect to watch it? I'll let you play with that thought. Furthermore, unlike mythbusters, this show does not use any real science. Go back to your 8th grade science course, what was the first thing we learned: how to make a proper experiment. You CAN NOT take two weapons, give them different tests, and then compare them! "Oh weapon A stabs geletin better and weapon B slices pig better...uuhhhhh I think I'll chose this one because lalala reason that makes no sense. Hmm, this gun hit more targets in a shorter time but this gun does more damage...lalalal". DO THE SAME TESTS TO COMPARE! These unintelligent dimwits that run the show don't know how to make science work properly. Only the doctor guy is smart, cause he's a trauma doctor, he knows what makes death happen, though he should shut up on voting on a weapon. And the slytherin studios guy is the worse. A battlefield simulation? Go to their website and take a good look at their games and you'll see that he can't make a good simulation. On the note of Green Berets vs Spetsnaz, as an American I love America and HATE COMMIES!!! But I'd be an idiot if I believed my country was invincible. Sure we can glass 90% of the globe, but in a man for man fight, we are a bit disadvantaged. We live in a rich beautiful society that makes us weak as a tradeoff and our special forces though certainly an elite, follow under Rules of War and are precision soldiers as opposed to outright murderers like the Spetsnaz. Green Beret are special ops, Spetsnaz (if we assume that we can pull from their best due to an ambiguous name) are black ops. There is a difference level that separates the Spetsnaz from the Green Beret. A fair match-up is Navy SEALS and the Spetsnaz, now that would be great. If you want a Russian pair for the Green Beret, go with the VDV Airborne. Also, consider the weapons, M4/M16 series weapons are terrible. They jam for any reason pretty much and the lethality of the 5.56x45mm is dependent on fragmentation that doesn't always happen. Politics and economic maneuvers have kept this garbage in the American military. Notice that most NATO forces do not use the M16 but other weapons (Aug, Famas, SA80, G36)that ya know, don't jam all the time. Ak's and their variants are used globally and have proven their lethality. And for the Spetsnaz well, look up the AN-94, the OC-14, and the 9x39mm Russian cartridge. Youtube it, do your research online, you'll find the difference in weapon lethality over the m16. (I know they didn't use those weapons but I'm sure the above posters refereed to a more realistic comparison). Now if the president didn't decline the implementation of the Bushmaster ACR in American forces than we'd have a closer weapon match-up. But alas, declined due to "not wanting to give America a warlike image"...during war. That thought alone should give you a picture on the "us versus them" comparison.
-DaiTaNam--[[Special:Contributions/24.4.196.248|24.4.196.248]] 18:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Hold up, who declined the ACR, Dubya or Obama

It was Obama

*Er, I'd say that most US special forces tend to be better trained than their Russian counterparts. Go ask the Northern Aliiance. And the Specnaz aren't "black ops."

*M16 is terrible? What a joke... I'm sure the US military, the SAS/SBS, the Israeli military, the Ghurkas, the Brazilian Marine Corps, the Canadian armed forces, the Dutch armed forces, the Indonesian special forces, Polish GROM, etc. would disagree with that. But what do they know about guns?

And something must be wrong with my AR-15...it never jams. I've put over a thousand rounds through it rapidly without cleaning. No malfunctions. My friend in the USMC dragged his M16 through mud during a live fire exercise, and the weapon functioned perfectly. No malfunctions! And at 500 yards, the .223 only has as much ballistic energy as a .45 does at the muzzle. That’s barely 3X the power of a .22 magnum, and that’s at 500 yards! Up close it’s barely more energetic that a .44 magnum. Can’t we get a REAL manstopper? Anyway, any help would be appreciated. How do I get this thing to malfunction at an appropriate rate?

Yeah, mine must be broken too...I have a S&W M&P15T and have yet to have one single jam...I even shot it completely dry for a year and a half and can not make it jam. the rounds are always damn near touching too...I love my civilian M4.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I suppose I'll explain my comment on M16 jams. I can start that the ammunition in the M16A1 used ball gunpowder cartridges that left significant amounts residue in the barrel. And in that and later series M16's, the direct impingement system meant that combustion byproducts accumulate and condensate in the barrel, bolt, bolt carrier and receiver. Also, if submerged or substantially wet would not not work or rendered inoperable. Prolonged continuous fire (that does occur in combat) burns off essential lubricant needed to operate the gun. Using the wrong lubricant jams the weapon as well. Large temperature swings in the receiver meant damaging or destroying the spring, metal gas rings, and several other receiver parts, meaning the weapon can destroy itself. Humid environments screwed with the lubricant require to fire the weapon. Due to the numerous small parts it requires less dirt/mud to jam than other weapon platforms. The M16A1 lacked a forward assist. The M16A1 also had a forward handguard that was made of bekalite (probably spelled wrong) which could easily break or melt from prolonged fire. In an American test to find a replacement for the M16/M4, the shorter barreled M4 suffered by far the most stoppages in an extreme dust environment (about 882). So yeah, many problems with the M16 are with the A1 model but the weapon is still has many for reasons to jam than other firearms. In the recent war between Ossetia and Russia, the Ossetian army was given M16s but refused to use them in their dusty country over the AKM and the AK-74. Just because YOUR M16 was newer and well cared for, doesn't mean anything because YOU DID NOT go fight in a War environment to prove its ability to not jam. Also, the SAS also use the G36, the Israelis use the IMI Tavor or the IMI Galil, and that's only few of the many armies in the world an above poster listed that use the M16. Most NATO forces...do not. And outside of NATO, practically nobody else. And for your 5.56x45mm M855 FMJ (used by US forces). The fragmentation ability on the 5.56mm IF it fragments is super deadly, but that is a big if. Fragmentation, when it does occur, happens at depths that are thicker than the typical, malnourished American enemy. Over-penetration of flesh has been cited in Vietnam against the VC. In Somalia, many Somalis were able to continue fighting after several hits whilst being high. In shorter barreled weapons like the M4, "reliable" fragmentation muzzle velocities are not achieved. Us Americans are seeking a new round like the 6.5mm Grendel or the 6.8mm Remington to attack the very problem of the lack of stopping power of the 5.56x45mm. And the parent case, the .223, a hunter will tell you that's for killing varmints and rodents. The research is there, go take a look.
DaiTaNam --[[Special:Contributions/24.4.196.248|24.4.196.248]] 02:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Last I heard the Canadian Forces used the C7 which is a full auto M16. Last I heard the SAS used this gun aswell. Also just because other countries ues their own gun doesn't mean anything. The AUG is just used by Austria, the FAMAS is just used by france, China is the only one that uses the QBZ 95. Just because a gun is used by one country doesn't mean its bad. You really need to stop reading stuff off the internet and using future weapons as a reference about guns. You were saying how the M16 jams all the time but then corrected yourself saying it was the M16A1 when that was retired about 40 years ago making your whole argument pointless. People have kept fighting after getting hit numerous times with a .45 up close, does that mean that .45 ACP isn't big enough and everyone needs to start carrying desert eagles!? How about no lubricant? One said here about having no lube in his for over a year and a half without a jam. Please stop listening to those on the internet with little or no experiance.--[[Special:Contributions/66.30.50.180|66.30.50.180]] 14:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

*The SAS never have used the G36, and the Israeli phased out the Galil for the M16/M4 years ago (the Tavor is a new design being introduced, however). Wikipedia has a list of users of the M16, check it out.

I have seen this list, most of these countries received handouts of arms from the U.S. during the Cold War, revolutions and the support of anti-communist factions and whatnot, and many others do not use them as their standard rifle. Some countries are listed purely because they stole X number of m16's from the battlefield (like modern Vietnam or Cambodia). True, I leave most of my jamming grievances with the M16A1, it does not mean that the M16 later series, though better, are jam prone. Like with the 2006 Dust Test I mentioned earlier (turns out there were other dust tests that demonstrated the M16/M4 weapons jamming prone), the M4 (sharing 80% part commonality with the M16) suffered the most stoppages by far. And the American military is actively seeking a replacement to the M16 series weapons. Also, with these other users of the M16 variants and derivatives: you probably put lots of care, cleaning, and love into your M16. You take it out to ranges, shoot them, have a nice time. When I refer to jams, I refer to combat situations, which I doubt most of you do have. Real combat (as this show is "supposed" to simulate) is what I'm talking about. Of course Your's didn't jam because you didn't go to war with it, where all kinds of crazy stuff happens. This is where jams occur. And no, my information is not purely internet; I also watch documentaries like Tales of the Gun, AK-47 VS M16, Top 10 Rifles, High Impact (just to name a few); all shows on the History Channel, Discover Channel, and Military Channel all bringing historians, war veterans, and museum curators like Dr. William Atwater. There's also Time Magazine's article "Defense Under Fire". How about the US Army Natick Soldier Center presentation concerning the M4 with up to 20% reporting jamming issues. There was also a CNA Corp. survey of the US army. How about the "Baseline Reliability and Dust Assessment for the M4, M16, and M249" Army test, done by the US Army, found one jam every six rounds. But what about people in the field? Well, there's the "Project Manager Soldier’s Weapons Assessment Team’s July 31, 2003, report" detailing jamming reports from the 25th Infantry, the 82nd Airborne, 75th Ranger Regiment, and the 507th Maintenance Company to name a few. M4's (which are essentially M16A2's) as well as M16's show likeliness to jam over other weapon systems, with high reliability coming with high maintenance. Jamming is a study of the usage of a weapon in a realistic combat environment, not your local firing range. Also, on the note of other countries, the M16 came out far before weapons like the Aug and the FAMAS yet these countries didn't use them over the M16 as the Eastern Bloc countries adopted the AKM. They instead spent more many making the factories, designing the parts, and coming up with their own new weapon built around the 5.56x45mm NATO standard the US forced upon them, instead of just buying M16's.
DaiTaNam --[[Special:Contributions/24.4.196.248|24.4.196.248]] 18:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Like i said above, I did not clean my M4 designed firearm for over a year and a half, and i live in Montana. Very mountainess and dusty in summer, wet cold and freezing in winter and very wet spring weather with jungle like area as well as very rocky. NOT one jam in all these diffrent weathered landscapes with heavey firing...atleast two mags at a time (just enough to get that barrel really hot). When I did finally clean it i used super store brand G96 (nothing Special) in the same kind of shooting enveronment still with no jams. We got dirt here, we got mud here, we have heat and freezing temps...name any element, we have it here and i have done heavey shooting in it...with NO JAMS...I used crappy wolf ammo, i have used Hornady TAP ammo...Still no Jams. The US was looking for another combat weapon and they were going to replace the M4 with the SCAR...and they backed out because it didnt preform that much better than the M4. A gun is only as good as the operator and the ammo they put in it. Dont kill the gun with the first shot then use a second, you got 30rds in the mag...or you can wait for his buddy to come get his wounded ass and get him too.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Last I checked The military is always looking for a better weapon so they are always testing. The reason that all the soviet bloc countries use the AKM is because of a little something called COMMUNISM.--[[Special:Contributions/66.30.50.180|66.30.50.180]] 22:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not an expert on Communism by any means, but you can maybe point me specifically to which Communist doctrine reads "Communists may only use and manufacture AKs, M16s and similar weapons are strictly forbidden"? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Its not forbidden but because of what the people in moscow say, all bloc countries use AK series rifles only because that is what communism is. Everyone has and uses the same.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, if the AK is so terrible, what part of the doctrine forbids them from making a new, better weapon for "everyone to have and use the same"? I mean, it's not like they were using AKs prior to WW2, so obviously they had no problems replacing the older weapons "everyone had and used" previously. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 07:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I never said it was bad, where did I say that? If you notice, all of the Russian Military uses their own weapons. Do you see them running around with weapons made by other countries? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:The root of the discussion was that the AK was a "bad" gun. It was then said the reason the AK is used is because of "Communism", implying that the AK is indeed not a good gun and is simply used because of politics. You may not personally think it's a bad gun, but the view you were expressing was siding with those who did, even if not deliberately. And I'm not sure the point you're trying to make about the Russian military using their own weapons, as a)they could easily replace the AK with a new weapon(of their own design/manufacture, doesn't have to be imported) if they wanted, and b)the Russian military is far from the only user of AK/AK clone weapons. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 19:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

The root of this discussion was you stating the M16 was a bad gun, not that the AK is a bad weapon. The AK is used by many other countries yes, I don't get what your trying to say there. The ComBloc countries use weapons made there they just haven't choosen a weapon to replace the AK yet because if it ain't broke don't fix it. Plus issuing new weapons and withdrawing those in service is a huge hassel that they like to avoid. It is politics. The AK series is used in the ComBloc countries because of communism because that is the gun they prefer. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:No, I haven't discussed the M16 at all(I will state that I have multiple friends who are currently serving in Iraq, and several other former military friends, some who served in Vietnam, some in Desert Storm, who ALL hate the M16, one of whom says it's the worst gun he ever used), the root of the argument though, was some dude saying the AK sucks and the M16 is good, another guy responded that the M16 sucks and the AK is good, and then you joined in about how the only reason people use the AK is because of "communism", implying that the first guy was right about it being a bad gun. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not getting through your head I see, The main reason why RUSSIA and its COMBLOC countries all use the AK series is because of COMMUNISM. Russia has decided that its the best weapon for the time being and sees no need to reissue another weapon. Russia left alot of AK 47s in the middle east and thats why so many people use it, because its there. In order to re-issue a new weapon to replace the Stoner platform would take recalling all weapons, issuing new weapons, training on the new weapons, getting spare parts for all weapons, and if the military decides to go with a new caliber, thats gonna take recalling all that ammo, stock piling all that new ammo somewhere, and stock piling that new ammo in smaller amounts closer to the troops.

Its more cost effective now to keep it in service. The Stoner platform is fine. I've heard reports of those in Iraq that find it fine for combat. Regular matinence is required for any gun. In russia the Mauser was jamming because of the temperatures, does that mean that its a horrible gun and needed to be replaced with the springfield?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Communism or not, if the AK was such a terrible gun(as the original person stated, not saying YOU stated that, just that your reply appeared to be agreed with the original person), it could be replaced. It may not be perfect, but it's hardly the terrible weapon the original posted implied, either. You've heard "reports" of those in Iraq that find it fine. I've heard "reports" of those in Iraq that find it terrible. But reports can be manipulated, I've actually *spoken* with several of them DIRECTLY, and every single soldier and former soldier I've spoken to about the M16/M4 dislikes it. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 17:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

And I've spoken to those directly about it that served in the middle east and they said it was fine. The reports i'm talking about are from those that served directly. To me the AK is just reliable and cheap but thats all. Neither of us have the experiance of serving in an enviroment like that so we are just speculating, we have conflicting testimonies of the Stoner but no personal experiance. To me its a fine weapon and plenty reliable. Para made a AR15 that was able to fire 25,000 rounds without cleaning and never jammed once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:The problem with "reports" is that you can cherry pick what you want to include in them. Say you interview 100 people, 60 of them hate something, 40 of them like it. You list the 40 who like it in your report, and your report shows overwhelming favor for something. It may be plenty reliable for you, but it's not for my friends, and they're the ones who have to use it. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

YOu guys do relize they don't show all of the test that they perform otherwise it'll be way to long. They show what the producers deem exciting and what not. And if you don't like the show don't watch otherwise shut and enjoy it. [[User:DRC92|DRC92]]

Talk:Deadliest Warrior - Season 2

2010-07-28T17:04:18Z

DRC92:

Talk:No Country for Old Men

2010-07-25T17:05:38Z

DRC92:

==Colt Delta Elite or a smaller frame 1911?==

I thought the Delta Elite wasn't manufactured until 1987. Could this be another anachronism?

:I'm a little more curious to know what makes us think this is a Delta Elite to begin with. It looked to me like it might have just been a regular Commander-type 1911. But if it is a Delta Elite, then yes, it is yet another of the movie's many firearms-related anachronisms.

:I thought it was a 1911 myself.

:I agree, does not look like a Delta Elite to me. Don't know why it is considered to be one.

:It also seems like a 1911 would be way more common for a sheriff to carry than a Delta Elite.

:I don't mean to be rude to the person that made this page, but unless we can find a good reason to state this is a Delta Elite, I think we should change the section to a 1911.

::It's definitely not a regular 1911 or 1911A1. It has a circular hammer, so it's gotta be a Commander variant such as the Series 80. The only question is whether it's the Delta Elite (which is similar externally to the Commander line, but chambered for 10mm).

:::Agreed. Mabey it would be better if we moved this to the discussion page so we do not clutter up the page?

Sheriff Ed Tom's gun has a high-rise beavertail grip safety, visible when he thumb-cocks the gun before entering the El Paso motel. Such grip safeties were not available in 1980, and became popular in the '90s.
I can see why someone could think the gun was a Delta Elite, as that was probably Colt's best-known, older 5" gun that came from the factory with a rowel hammer, but, as noted, it wasn't available in 1980. The Combat Government Model was available then, but had neither a beavertail nor rowel hammer. The later Special Combat Government Model does have a rowel hammer, but no beavertail. The Combat Elite - also not available in 1980 - had the rowel hammer, but no beavertail until reintroduced in 2008. Any "1911" can have the hammer switched out, so the presence of the rowel hammer isn't anachronistic, but the beavertail is.

==The Book==
The ending of the book was way better. The sheriff hunts Anton down and puts a slug in his face-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually Anton is arrested. It's hard to tell because of the writing style.[[User:DRC92|DRC92]]

It was certainly hard for you because he doesn't get arrested unless you read the book backwards. --[[User:TheSouthpawOutlaw|TheSouthpawOutlaw]] 22:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 11-87==
Unless this movie is going for historical inaccuracy, the gun would be a [[Remington 1100]]. It's not a Remington 11 since it doesn't have the same exterior design. Doubt it would be an 11-48 since the recoil seems too low. The 1100 is the most likely gun, since the Remington 11-87 wasn't produced until 1987, hence the name "Remington 11-'''87'''". [[Special:Contributions/70.157.131.56|70.157.131.56]] 02:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Book Guns ==

So far I'm only about a third of the way through the book but I'm pretty surprised as to how close the two follow each other, even in terms of guns used. For example, so far I've seen:
* Moss's "heavybarreled .270 on a '98 Mauser action with a laminated stock of maple and walnut... Unertl telescopic sight of the same power as the binoculars", reflected as a Remington 700 in the film
* the "shortbarreled H&K machinepistol with a black nylon shoulderstrap" that Moss picks up in the book is an H&K SP89 in the film
* Moss finds a "nickelplated government .45 automatic" in the hands of a dead drug dealer, which is what he finds in the film as well (with mentions in the book of the grip safety, etc.)
* Chigurh shoots the two men at trucks with a "nine millimeter Glock", as seen in the film
* Moss buys a "twelve gauge Winchester pump gun and a box of double ought buckshot shells" with references later made to the hammer and his sawing-down process seen exactly duplicated in the film with the Winchester '97 that Moss purchases
* Chigurh carries a "twelve gauge Remington automatic with a plastic military stock and a parkerized finish... fitted with a shopmade silencer fully a foot long and big around as a beercan", fitting the description of the Remington 11-87 he carries in the film
* however, instead of a TEC-9 as he carries in the film, Chigurh uses a "shortbarreled Uzi" with a 25-round magazine in the book during the hotel shootout
Several other guns are mentioned, such as Bell reflecting on "Colts .44-40" and how "if that won't stop him you'd better throw the thing down and take off runnin'" and how he "likes the old Winchester model 97. I like that it's got a hamer. I don't like havin' to hunt the safety on a gun."
All in all, safe for the unforgivable error of constantly referring to magazines as "clips", Cormac McCarthy did a good job incorporating guns into the story and the filmmakers did a good job sticking to the ones in the book. (I'll update later once I've read further on.) [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 22:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Cobray not MAC-10? ==

The gun used in the motel doesnt look like a MAC-10, looks more like a Cobray M11. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 04:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:You may be right the receiver looks longer on the back like on the Cobray. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:No Country for Old Men

2010-07-24T09:16:31Z

DRC92:

==Colt Delta Elite or a smaller frame 1911?==

I thought the Delta Elite wasn't manufactured until 1987. Could this be another anachronism?

:I'm a little more curious to know what makes us think this is a Delta Elite to begin with. It looked to me like it might have just been a regular Commander-type 1911. But if it is a Delta Elite, then yes, it is yet another of the movie's many firearms-related anachronisms.

:I thought it was a 1911 myself.

:I agree, does not look like a Delta Elite to me. Don't know why it is considered to be one.

:It also seems like a 1911 would be way more common for a sheriff to carry than a Delta Elite.

:I don't mean to be rude to the person that made this page, but unless we can find a good reason to state this is a Delta Elite, I think we should change the section to a 1911.

::It's definitely not a regular 1911 or 1911A1. It has a circular hammer, so it's gotta be a Commander variant such as the Series 80. The only question is whether it's the Delta Elite (which is similar externally to the Commander line, but chambered for 10mm).

:::Agreed. Mabey it would be better if we moved this to the discussion page so we do not clutter up the page?

Sheriff Ed Tom's gun has a high-rise beavertail grip safety, visible when he thumb-cocks the gun before entering the El Paso motel. Such grip safeties were not available in 1980, and became popular in the '90s.
I can see why someone could think the gun was a Delta Elite, as that was probably Colt's best-known, older 5" gun that came from the factory with a rowel hammer, but, as noted, it wasn't available in 1980. The Combat Government Model was available then, but had neither a beavertail nor rowel hammer. The later Special Combat Government Model does have a rowel hammer, but no beavertail. The Combat Elite - also not available in 1980 - had the rowel hammer, but no beavertail until reintroduced in 2008. Any "1911" can have the hammer switched out, so the presence of the rowel hammer isn't anachronistic, but the beavertail is.

==The Book==
The ending of the book was way better. The sheriff hunts Anton down and puts a slug in his face-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually Anton is arrested. It's hard to tell because of the writing style. DRC92
==Remington 11-87==
Unless this movie is going for historical inaccuracy, the gun would be a [[Remington 1100]]. It's not a Remington 11 since it doesn't have the same exterior design. Doubt it would be an 11-48 since the recoil seems too low. The 1100 is the most likely gun, since the Remington 11-87 wasn't produced until 1987, hence the name "Remington 11-'''87'''". [[Special:Contributions/70.157.131.56|70.157.131.56]] 02:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Book Guns ==

So far I'm only about a third of the way through the book but I'm pretty surprised as to how close the two follow each other, even in terms of guns used. For example, so far I've seen:
* Moss's "heavybarreled .270 on a '98 Mauser action with a laminated stock of maple and walnut... Unertl telescopic sight of the same power as the binoculars", reflected as a Remington 700 in the film
* the "shortbarreled H&K machinepistol with a black nylon shoulderstrap" that Moss picks up in the book is an H&K SP89 in the film
* Moss finds a "nickelplated government .45 automatic" in the hands of a dead drug dealer, which is what he finds in the film as well (with mentions in the book of the grip safety, etc.)
* Chigurh shoots the two men at trucks with a "nine millimeter Glock", as seen in the film
* Moss buys a "twelve gauge Winchester pump gun and a box of double ought buckshot shells" with references later made to the hammer and his sawing-down process seen exactly duplicated in the film with the Winchester '97 that Moss purchases
* Chigurh carries a "twelve gauge Remington automatic with a plastic military stock and a parkerized finish... fitted with a shopmade silencer fully a foot long and big around as a beercan", fitting the description of the Remington 11-87 he carries in the film
* however, instead of a TEC-9 as he carries in the film, Chigurh uses a "shortbarreled Uzi" with a 25-round magazine in the book during the hotel shootout
Several other guns are mentioned, such as Bell reflecting on "Colts .44-40" and how "if that won't stop him you'd better throw the thing down and take off runnin'" and how he "likes the old Winchester model 97. I like that it's got a hamer. I don't like havin' to hunt the safety on a gun."
All in all, safe for the unforgivable error of constantly referring to magazines as "clips", Cormac McCarthy did a good job incorporating guns into the story and the filmmakers did a good job sticking to the ones in the book. (I'll update later once I've read further on.) [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 22:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Cobray not MAC-10? ==

The gun used in the motel doesnt look like a MAC-10, looks more like a Cobray M11. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 04:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:You may be right the receiver looks longer on the back like on the Cobray. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)