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Talk:Archer

2012-02-26T21:23:33Z

ColtModel1903: /* Suggested Changes */

[http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1695| Permission was granted.]

Sweet. Took long enough. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:07, 23 April 2011 (CDT)

:Not to nitpick, but are we sure this should be categorized as "anime"? It's distinctly American in pretty much every facet (art style, humor, plots, etc.)--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:19, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
::I would agree, but I was specifically told to do so by the mods as to avoid deletion. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:23, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:One other thing; the P220s: The way the grip is stepped at the top, I think those are meant to be 92F/FSs.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:32, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
::Since there's been no response, I'm going to presume that no one takes issues with those being Berettas.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:25, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Yeah, sorry, I just can't tell. I just hope the Archer wiki keeps up. 95% of their weapon pages are based on this page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:33, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Jeez, they just copied this page wholesale, didn't they? Anyways, I left them a message that it had been corrected.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:31, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

I know they dont count as firearms, but in Skorpio, kreiger is seen making Molotov Cocktail to burn down the isis mainframe. I saw that Molotov Cocktail were listed on [[Burn Notice]], so i figured they should be listed here as well. --[[User:Simmons 8492| Simmons 8492]]
:There has been plenty of debate as to molotovs, and I always thought that the consensus was no, since they fall under improvised weaponry. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:26, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

The page states several times that "Training Day" was the pilot when "Molehunt" is actually the pilot episode. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:52, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
:Yes, I realize that now. I think I watched the eps out of order. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:57, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
::Ah right. I was just wondering if they were screened on FX out of order or something because I've got the DVDs and "Molehunt" is the first episode on the set. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:13, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
:::You know how FX airs the previous week's episode right after the current episode? I think that's how I watched the first two, and I just got it in my head that Training Day was the pilot. All I have to do it remind myself that the stupid "lost" pilot was based on Mole Hunt. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:24, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
::::Haha! Yeah. Just think that Crenshaw is in the pilot but none others after :P --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:01, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

== Trimmed from the main page ==

[[Image:Archer_AK_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soviet troops are not buying that Archer is just a Finnish skydiving enthusiast.]]

[[Image:Archer_Mk2_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Wait, you're just going to leave him with a grenade stuck up his ass?" "Yes Lana, I'm on a rampage. And also kidding, it's a smoke grenade." Or not.]]

== Suggested Changes ==

'''1.''' The animators didn't totally mess the M16s up. In a couple of frames, Archer's is correct, while Lana's is wrong, and vise versa.

In the first link below, you will see both guns in the same frame. Archer's is fine while Lana's is backwards... in the same frame.

The second link just shows Lana's messed up.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBQW44ccdaGdXNWZkI5T0JTb2FqRXZqdHhhVnJ4QQ

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBQW44ccdaGTTRqZU40S0pUd21lR0NmOU91U1F1QQ
[[User:ColtModel1903|ColtModel1903]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

:I can't actually access any of the links above. And I thought I made it clear that the animators had issues with swapping sides. Check out the entry for the TEC-9. And please sign your posts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)

::Sorry, I'm very new to IMFDB, and I was unaware of how to sign my posts, but I think I've figured it out. Also, I think I fixed all the links. [[User:ColtModel1903|ColtModel1903]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

'''2.''' Walther PP or PPK?

At the end of 'Lo Scandalo', the following conversation occurs.

Lana: "Walther PP chambered for .32 ACP, what's the magazine capacity?"

Archer: "Uhh, 8"

Lana: "8 rounds, plus 1 in the chamber, for a total of 9"

Archer is correct, a Walther PP (chambered in 32) holds 8 in the mag, and Lana correctly adds 1 for the chamber.

A Walther PPK, however, only holds 6+1 when chambered for .32 ACP. So, the gun Malory uses in 'Lo Scandalo' is actually a Walther PP, not a PPK.

Few things though, this is the first time Malory has used anything other than her Smith & Wesson Model 629, so it's highly uncharacteristic of her. But, the Walther PP is crucial to plot because of the number of shots fired.

Additionally, this is NOT Archer's gun. His gun has still not been named. But, I don't think it is much of a leap to say the 'Walther-looking' gun Malory uses is the same Archer uses...

Also, her's is silenced. A link to a picture is below.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwBQW44ccdaGU244X3RrN0dRZFdzV2Zfa1BjVjlQdw
[[User:ColtModel1903|ColtModel1903]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

:A .32 PPK is actually 7+1. And while it hasn't been named in the show, in the book, for what it's worth, it is specified as a Walther PPK, in .32, with a capacity of 7+1. Malory's gun is the same model as Archer's, so it could be a goof. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)

::You're right a 32 ACP PPK does hold 7+1, not 6+1, still though, it doesn't fit. According to the show Lana clearly says "Walther PP", and remember there were 9 shots. 5 in the Italian PM, 3 in the door frame, and 1 in Malory's arm. It would've had to be a Walther PP for all those shots. [[User:ColtModel1903|ColtModel1903]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

'''3.''' The first picture used for the "Tokarev TT-33" showing Jakov holding the gun to the scientist's head, is clearly not a TT-33. Just look at the hammer, the beaver tail, and the protruding barrel.

I know the caption says that they hadn't 'reworked' the guns yet, but this is too much of a stretch to be considered a TT-33. I think it is just a generic black gun. [[User:ColtModel1903|ColtModel1903]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (CST)

:I knew it was a stretch. Calling his pistol in the first season a PPK was a stretch as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)

::Well both are stretches, because both are wrong... He probably uses a Walther PP, and not a PPK. And the gun Jakov holds is simply not a TT-33.

Talk:Archer

2012-02-26T07:58:22Z

ColtModel1903: minor edit

[http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1695| Permission was granted.]

Sweet. Took long enough. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:07, 23 April 2011 (CDT)

:Not to nitpick, but are we sure this should be categorized as "anime"? It's distinctly American in pretty much every facet (art style, humor, plots, etc.)--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:19, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
::I would agree, but I was specifically told to do so by the mods as to avoid deletion. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:23, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:One other thing; the P220s: The way the grip is stepped at the top, I think those are meant to be 92F/FSs.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:32, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
::Since there's been no response, I'm going to presume that no one takes issues with those being Berettas.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:25, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Yeah, sorry, I just can't tell. I just hope the Archer wiki keeps up. 95% of their weapon pages are based on this page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:33, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Jeez, they just copied this page wholesale, didn't they? Anyways, I left them a message that it had been corrected.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:31, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

I know they dont count as firearms, but in Skorpio, kreiger is seen making Molotov Cocktail to burn down the isis mainframe. I saw that Molotov Cocktail were listed on [[Burn Notice]], so i figured they should be listed here as well. --[[User:Simmons 8492| Simmons 8492]]
:There has been plenty of debate as to molotovs, and I always thought that the consensus was no, since they fall under improvised weaponry. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:26, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

The page states several times that "Training Day" was the pilot when "Molehunt" is actually the pilot episode. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:52, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
:Yes, I realize that now. I think I watched the eps out of order. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:57, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
::Ah right. I was just wondering if they were screened on FX out of order or something because I've got the DVDs and "Molehunt" is the first episode on the set. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:13, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
:::You know how FX airs the previous week's episode right after the current episode? I think that's how I watched the first two, and I just got it in my head that Training Day was the pilot. All I have to do it remind myself that the stupid "lost" pilot was based on Mole Hunt. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:24, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
::::Haha! Yeah. Just think that Crenshaw is in the pilot but none others after :P --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:01, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

== Trimmed from the main page ==

[[Image:Archer_AK_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soviet troops are not buying that Archer is just a Finnish skydiving enthusiast.]]

[[Image:Archer_Mk2_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Wait, you're just going to leave him with a grenade stuck up his ass?" "Yes Lana, I'm on a rampage. And also kidding, it's a smoke grenade." Or not.]]

== Suggested Changes ==

'''1.''' The animators didn't totally mess the M16s up. In a couple of frames, Archer's is correct, while Lana's is wrong, and vise versa.

In the first link below, you will see both guns in the same frame. Archer's is fine while Lana's is backwards... in the same frame.

The second link just shows Lana's messed up.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xyti0PcvfBee1R-Jkjo1ydsIn1J1U-QsyNul8IgRqiFwQzYnwR5LpPBzgvclmWYrJVbIPle8XGREtyk2tdv9EERk52Tqdg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1BCt4y54atGvFPH0MQIoErxbBfvJO_EJ-W1kaOLGw1QlAfkBfD66COZ2L7Jks9OBttb7p7hJNJPtemqe59Ly6Gmdt63IVA

'''2.''' Walther PP or PPK?

At the end of 'Lo Scandalo', the following conversation occurs.

Lana: "Walther PP chambered for .32 ACP, what's the magazine capacity?"

Archer: "Uhh, 8"

Lana: "8 rounds, plus 1 in the chamber, for a total of 9"

Archer is correct, a Walther PP (chambered in 32) holds 8 in the mag, and Lana correctly adds 1 for the chamber.

A Walther PPK, however, only holds 6+1 when chambered for .32 ACP. So, the gun Malory uses in 'Lo Scandalo' is actually a Walther PP, not a PPK.

Few things though, this is the first time Malory has used anything other than her Smith & Wesson Model 629, so it's highly uncharacteristic of her. But, the Walther PP is crucial to plot because of the number of shots fired.

Additionally, this is NOT Archer's gun. His gun has still not been named. But, I don't think it is much of a leap to say the 'Walther-looking' gun Malory uses is the same Archer uses...

Also, her's is silenced. A link to a picture is below.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lhguev3pVMGrmJNHJdZG3nxLACYQVZBiYH56A8iIhl2NZNChZeH4k5f1xaDXS5K0AQGjC5dypVDMGM9TDYAXvgzD5iXQ6A

'''3.''' The first picture used for the "Tokarev TT-33" showing Jakov holding the gun to the scientist's head, is clearly not a TT-33. Just look at the hammer, the beaver tail, and the protruding barrel.

I know the caption says that they hadn't 'reworked' the guns yet, but this is too much of a stretch to be considered a TT-33. I think it is just a generic black gun.

Talk:Archer

2012-02-26T07:55:09Z

ColtModel1903: /* Suggested Changes */ new section

[http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1695| Permission was granted.]

Sweet. Took long enough. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:07, 23 April 2011 (CDT)

:Not to nitpick, but are we sure this should be categorized as "anime"? It's distinctly American in pretty much every facet (art style, humor, plots, etc.)--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:19, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
::I would agree, but I was specifically told to do so by the mods as to avoid deletion. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:23, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:One other thing; the P220s: The way the grip is stepped at the top, I think those are meant to be 92F/FSs.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:32, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
::Since there's been no response, I'm going to presume that no one takes issues with those being Berettas.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:25, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Yeah, sorry, I just can't tell. I just hope the Archer wiki keeps up. 95% of their weapon pages are based on this page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:33, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Jeez, they just copied this page wholesale, didn't they? Anyways, I left them a message that it had been corrected.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 19:31, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

I know they dont count as firearms, but in Skorpio, kreiger is seen making Molotov Cocktail to burn down the isis mainframe. I saw that Molotov Cocktail were listed on [[Burn Notice]], so i figured they should be listed here as well. --[[User:Simmons 8492| Simmons 8492]]
:There has been plenty of debate as to molotovs, and I always thought that the consensus was no, since they fall under improvised weaponry. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:26, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

The page states several times that "Training Day" was the pilot when "Molehunt" is actually the pilot episode. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:52, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
:Yes, I realize that now. I think I watched the eps out of order. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:57, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
::Ah right. I was just wondering if they were screened on FX out of order or something because I've got the DVDs and "Molehunt" is the first episode on the set. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:13, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
:::You know how FX airs the previous week's episode right after the current episode? I think that's how I watched the first two, and I just got it in my head that Training Day was the pilot. All I have to do it remind myself that the stupid "lost" pilot was based on Mole Hunt. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:24, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
::::Haha! Yeah. Just think that Crenshaw is in the pilot but none others after :P --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:01, 21 September 2011 (CDT)

== Trimmed from the main page ==

[[Image:Archer_AK_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soviet troops are not buying that Archer is just a Finnish skydiving enthusiast.]]

[[Image:Archer_Mk2_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Wait, you're just going to leave him with a grenade stuck up his ass?" "Yes Lana, I'm on a rampage. And also kidding, it's a smoke grenade." Or not.]]

== Suggested Changes ==

'''1.''' The animators didn't totally mess the M16s up. In a couple of frames, Archer's is correct, while Lana's is wrong, and vise versa.

In the first link below, you will see both guns in the same frame. Archer's is fine while Lana's is backwards... in the same frame.

The second link just shows Lana's messed up.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xyti0PcvfBee1R-Jkjo1ydsIn1J1U-QsyNul8IgRqiFwQzYnwR5LpPBzgvclmWYrJVbIPle8XGREtyk2tdv9EERk52Tqdg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1BCt4y54atGvFPH0MQIoErxbBfvJO_EJ-W1kaOLGw1QlAfkBfD66COZ2L7Jks9OBttb7p7hJNJPtemqe59Ly6Gmdt63IVA

'''2.''' Walther PP or PPK?

At the end of 'Lo Scandalo', the following conversation occurs.

Lana: "Walther PP chambered for .32 ACP, what's the magazine capacity?"

Archer: "Uhh, 8"

Lana: "8 rounds, plus 1 in the chamber, for a total of 9"

Archer is correct, a Walther PP (chambered in 32) holds 8 in the mag, and Lana correctly adds 1 for the chamber.

A Walther PPK, however, only holds 6+1 when chambered for .32 ACP. So, the gun Malory uses in 'Lo Scandalo' is actually a Walther PP, not a PPK.

Few things though, this is the first time Malory has used anything other than her Smith & Wesson Model 629, so it's highly uncharacteristic of her. But, the Walther PP is crucial to plot becuase of the number of shots fired.

Additionally, this is NOT Archer's gun. His gun has still not been named. But, I don't think it is much of a leap to say the 'Walther-looking' gun Malory uses is the same Archer uses...

Also, her's is silenced. A link to a picture is below.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/u9JGY83zpVYui1lHk4TAUyXx3GFr16HswDKH5LmkBQ8PFB1cpuGeikKWccN1YOQwPMo-nDE8rerTUr0y3ikTQ3z8NxkezA

'''3.''' The first picture used for the "Tokarev TT-33" showing Jakov holding the gun to the scientist's head, is clearly not a TT-33. Just look at the hammer, the beaver tail, and the protruding barrel.

I know the caption says that they hadn't 'reworked' the guns yet, but this is too much of a stretch to be considered a TT-33. I think it is just a generic black gun.