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Talk:Red Dead Redemption II

2018-10-22T23:06:49Z

Brasco: /* Partial Weapons list leaked */ new section

How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)

==Delete it and start again is the fastest way [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.

:Is there even a trailer available? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:

* A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).
* A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.
* A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.
* A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.

- [[User:1morey]] December 12, 2016 9:09 PM (EST)

Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)

<gallery>Subscript text
File:Red Dead Redemption 2A.jpg
</gallery>

==Spring 2018==
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
[[File:RedDeadRedemption2Revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scholfields?]]

[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== New page ==
Since we have some ''actual'' guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

== Trailer 2 ==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

== Rifle ID ==
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.

[[File:RDR2-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Carcano M91 Long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

== New revolver confirmed ==

The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)

== Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images ==

This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun
https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494
this one aswell:
http://www.jeuxactu.com/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-repousse-les-limites-de-l-open-world-113716.htm?utm_source=api&utm_medium=113716&utm_campaign=Twitter

here's the third trailer btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW0tYpxyp0

:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

I have a repeater here.

[[File:RDR 2 First Look 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

==New Gameplay video==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE
Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

:I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in ''[[Sicario]]'' right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

There's a new sniper rifle.
[[File:RDR2-Sniper-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Rolling Block Carbine?
[[File:Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine - .50-45]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet? ==

You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg [[User:brasco|brasco]]
:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)

== Gameplay Trailer #2 ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8
Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

== Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? ==

The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?

RDR 1: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/73/RDR_Maxim_2.JPG/600px-RDR_Maxim_2.JPG

RDR 2: http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/58/RDRII_Browning.jpg

--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

:This is Maxim. But the tripod is from Browning. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
::The RDR2 model has the distinctive spring box of the Maxim. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

==Borchardt C93 confirmed==
[[File:Red Dead Redemption II‎-Borchardt C93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== New weapon ==

One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - [[User:1morey]] October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)

:Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)

== High Roller Double action revolver ==

[[File:Hiroller.jpg|thumb|none|500px||]]
A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
:It looks like just an engraved version of the same Colt M1892 New Army & Navy Revolver. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:24, 5 October 2018 (EDT)

==Rockstar Website weapons preview==
https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry
--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 11:31, 12 October 2018 (EDT)

==Weapons speculation==
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

== Partial Weapons list leaked ==

Check it out while you can because this leak might disappear soon:
https://ibb.co/m4xvaq

--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 19:06, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Red Dead Redemption II

2018-10-06T01:08:37Z

Brasco: /* High Roller Double action revolver */ new section

How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)

==Delete it and start again is the fastest way [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.

:Is there even a trailer available? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::There's been a trailer up on Youtube for weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA6MrX81z4 --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:01, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:

* A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).
* A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.
* A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.
* A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.

- [[User:1morey]] December 12, 2016 9:09 PM (EST)

Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)

<gallery>Subscript text
File:Red Dead Redemption 2A.jpg
</gallery>

==Spring 2018==
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
[[File:RedDeadRedemption2Revolvers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scholfields?]]

[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== New page ==
Since we have some ''actual'' guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

== Trailer 2 ==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

== Rifle ID ==
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.

[[File:RDR2-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Carcano M91 Long? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

== New revolver confirmed ==

The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)

== Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images ==

This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun
https://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reportajes/avance-red-dead-redemption-2-ps4-xbox-one-exclusiva-198494
this one aswell:
http://www.jeuxactu.com/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-repousse-les-limites-de-l-open-world-113716.htm?utm_source=api&utm_medium=113716&utm_campaign=Twitter

here's the third trailer btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW0tYpxyp0

:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

I have a repeater here.

[[File:RDR 2 First Look 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

==New Gameplay video==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE
Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

:I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in ''[[Sicario]]'' right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

There's a new sniper rifle.
[[File:RDR2-Sniper-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Rolling Block Carbine?
[[File:Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine - .50-45]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

== Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet? ==

You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg [[User:brasco|brasco]]
:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)

== Gameplay Trailer #2 ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8
Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

== Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? ==

The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?

RDR 1: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/73/RDR_Maxim_2.JPG/600px-RDR_Maxim_2.JPG

RDR 2: http://www.imfdb.org/images/5/58/RDRII_Browning.jpg

--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

:This is Maxim. But the tripod is from Browning. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
::The RDR2 model has the distinctive spring box of the Maxim. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

==Borchardt C93 confirmed==
[[File:Red Dead Redemption II‎-Borchardt C93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== New weapon ==

One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - [[User:1morey]] October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)

== High Roller Double action revolver ==

[[File:Hiroller.jpg]]

A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)

File:Hiroller.jpg

2018-10-06T01:07:08Z

Brasco:

Talk:Red Dead Redemption II

2018-10-02T18:19:24Z

Brasco: /* Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? */ new section

Talk:Red Dead Redemption II

2018-09-20T21:04:34Z

Brasco:

Talk:Red Dead Redemption II

2018-09-20T21:03:52Z

Brasco:

Talk:Red Dead Redemption II

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Talk:Battlefield 1

2016-10-13T19:15:42Z

Brasco: /* Can't shake modern warfare */

== This gonna be good... ==

Seriously. This is a good change for once, other than Battlefield mod and fictional "Iron Storm" (2002). This is a first World War 1 FPS comes from a major game publisher.[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
:Yeah, it's got some nice Steampunk elements (ala Dishonored) too, but tbh im more pumped about this than Infinite Warfare, even the CoD 4 remaster looked better imo.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 13:00, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
::I was really hoping to see 1944 next, but I gotta say that this looks amazing. Perhaps the first after this is 1944. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 13:27, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:::It looks alright, the graphics are damn good though, that's for sure.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:28, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Let's hope they bring one of the MANLIEST element of the World War 1..The MUSTACHE! [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
:::::Every time you rank up your character's moustache gets slightly bigger? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:42, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::Mustache AI--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:58, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::I'm going to be really disappointed if they don't have this in the game--[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] ([[User talk:John Ryder|talk]]) 03:34, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::You've reached Rank 100. You've unlocked... The Handlebar.--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 01:50, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::It's gonna be a good year for FPS games. I can't wait for this and Infinite Warfare (that must be illegal). As some of you guys mentioned, World War I games are rarely done and it's nice to see a triple A publisher try their hand at it. WWI is such a sorely underused setting, so much potential too. And I love space and science fiction, so Infinite Warfare has me covered there. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 02:24, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::This game reminds me that i want to see a CoD of BF that takes place during the korean war.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 02:46, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

== Italian Rifle ==

It does look like it's designed after a Carcano 1891 Cavalry Carbine, but the rifle is way too long. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:09, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:Maybe it's a inaccurately sized model? Judging from DICE's rendering accuracy (cough cough ARX 160), it could be the case.
::Is that cough getting in the way of you signing your posts, mysterious contributor?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:43, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
:::It isn't a Carcano, the stock is the wrong shape, there is no external magazine, no folding bayonet, and the end cap on the stock is wrong. C&Rsenal did a brakdown of the trailer and their oppinion on this rifle is that it is just a place holder and will eventually be a Carcano Cavalry Carbine, but it seems that currently the model is a modified Mauser 1898. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:34, 8 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Hrm, interesting. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 19:26, 9 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::And, though it's just me, the barrel on it seems extremely too long and thin. This leads me to believe it IS supposed to be the Carcano, but just absurdly disproportionate. [[User:Jaxxons11|Jaxxons11]] ([[User talk:Jaxxons11|talk]]) 19:38, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::I agree, it looks like they have mistaken the length of the Carbine for the full length M91 --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 20:20, 15 May 2016 (EDT)

== MG 15? ==
So, there was a short teaser released few days ago, and it showed Bergmann MG 15nA light machine gun. I came here to add that to the images but it appears that someone inserted MG 15 instead of MG 15nA. I changed the name/image and added new screenshot, but if there is an image that contains MG 15 as well as MG 15nA, feel free to add that again. [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])

== What's this rifle ==

EA just had their E3 stream. It was really lame and not enough ME: Andromeda footage (i've been waiting 3 years for some gameplay, move yer butts!) There was a new trailer for BF1 though showing DICE's lack of taste in music. There's gonna be a livestream of bored looking people playing to soon.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:09, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
[[File:BF1 rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Anyway, what's goin on here?!]]
:It's a [[Winchester Model 1907]]. And yeah, that music was shite.
:[[Image:Winchester Model 1907.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Winchester Model 1907 - .351 Winchester]] [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 17:46, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::I assume it was used during WW1?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:09, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::I don't if it was or was not. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:25, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::I just hope that the Winchester 1895 shows up.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:40, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::It was used by France, and is limited by Russia and by the United Kingdom. Some French versions have been converted into a full-auto and are equipped with extended magazines. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:57, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::Here's the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pY3hlQEOc0 trailer]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:04, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::What I really hope doesn't happen with this game is have tons of rare and little used semi auto rifles and SMGs inexplicably in the hands of common infantrymen, just so the game can still have the feel of Battlefield without modern automatic weapons. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 19:32, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXcD4ePJWEc 14 minutes of gameplay].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 19:49, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::I hope they keep it authentic with the Nagant jaming all the time.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:17, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::More gameplay [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObo251De4k here].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:33, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::About the only thing that makes me worried so far is the aircraft seem ludicrously tough, in these alpha games you have people slamming them headlong into the ground and flying them through buildings without destroying them. I guess that might be a balance thing because they're slower and so easier to hit from the ground, but still. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:07, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::::I don't think the collision physics for airplanes has been finalized yet, but I do hope they stay more resilient when touching the ground than BF4's instantly-dead jets. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:04, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Back in Battlefield 1942: Desert Combat the AC-130 was kind of infamous for having so much health it could actually fly straight through the chimneys on the El Alamein map and survive. It might be they just jacked up their health for the early builds because they wanted people who had no idea how to fly them to still have fun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:25, 1 July 2016 (EDT)

== An unknown shotgun ==
[[Image:Bf1-shotgun.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Unknown shotgun - needs an identification]]
So I added bunch of new weapons that came out from the second gameplay trailer, and I need some help identifying this shotgun. I know that there is a confirmation that Winchester M1897 "Trench Gun" is going to be in the game, but this gun is shown very briefly in first person view, and I am not sure whether it's M1897 or not. If this gun is from WW1 then Winchester Model 12 might be another possible candidate, but that I cannot guarantee. What do you guys think? [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])
:Those sights are throwing me off. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 22:34, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::I could be wrong, but that could be either the Stevens Model 520 or the Remington Model 10. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:40, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::I think you are right about Remington Model 10. If you look closely on the top of receiver, there is a bulged rail-looking part for mounting attachments(like the optic in the image) and I haven't seen that thing on M1897/M520. Now Winchester Model 12 also has that part on top of the receiver, but when I looked at the footage frame by frame, there were no shells ejecting on the right side, which fits the description of Model 10's bottom feed/ejecting mechanism. Unless I see any other suggestion of what that shotgun might be by tomorrow, I will update it to Remington Model 10. Thanks for the suggestion! [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])
::::A quick update to my previous comment. I just checked the new multiplayer gameplay footage from Jackfrags and kill-feed confirms that it is Remington Model 10(It says Model 10-A-HE, which I assume it is one of the pre-set customization options). I will update the main page right away! [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] ([[User talk:Zzang1847|talk]])
:::::Wow...so I actually knew something right about a gun being shown!--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:37, 13 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::About the names and presets, it seems every gun has a two-letter bit at the end of its name denoting the different presets, but I haven't figured out what they actually mean. About the sights, it seems the game as some sort of early dual-lens system where the front and rear sights are replaced with lenses that give the player what is effectively a 2x scope. Keep this in mind if you're trying to ID something and the sights are like this. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:25, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::On a sidenote, I think that the picture of the shotgunner getting hit with a shovel should be moved under the Model 10, as the model clearly lacks a hammer. Now, granted, the pump handle is shoved under the receiver, so you could argue that the same applies to the other moving parts, including the hammer, but I'm more inclined to believe that the victim of a shovel attack has (or rather, had) a Model 10. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 08:45, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::How come they didn't include the extra round chambering on this shotgun in the closed alpha. Maybe they will fix it in the final release? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:28, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::Probably trying to use WW1 era gun handling techniques. Notice how handguns are now held with one hand? I don't think chambering a shell, then loading the tube was a common military practice for shotguns back then. I could be wrong though.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 15:13, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::::This is likely it. From my not-super-educated-on-the-era perspective, BF3/4's loading the chamber first, then the tube definitely feels more "modern" and "tactical", while loading the tube first and ending with a pump feels more "classic" and "old school". Also, another fun fact is that you can cancel/shorten reloads if you need to ready the gun quickly. Mag-fed guns can't do this of course, but anything that uses stripper clips and single-round loading can. If you hit the fire button while reloading, the round/clip currently being inserted will finish loading, then you'll rechamber the gun right after, so for rifles you'll close the bolt and shotguns you'll pump them, and I assume this will apply to revolvers in the full game as well. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:26, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::::You should therefore also expect to see a lot of terrible trigger discipline since the military didn't teach it to soldiers back then. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:10, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Makes sense. Only time will tell if an extra round can at least be chambered by reloading the Model 10 a second time after an empty reload (like mag-fed weapons do). Btw Call of Duty 3 made two interesting things regarding this topic: an empty reload of the Winchester M1897 involved loading 5 shells, pumping and then automatically inserting an extra one, and while loading two stripper clips into the Lee-Enfield you could actually interrupt the process and fire the weapon after loading only one. It's extremely silly that such features weren't carried on in any of the 10 following games. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 19:49, 19 July 2016 (EDT)

==Weapon identifications by Forgotten Weapons==
Forgotten Weapon uploaded a few videos analyzing the different guns that appeared in the teaser trailer and the gameplay trailer. [[User:Inceptor57|Inceptor57]] ([[User talk:Inceptor57|talk]]) 22:41, 12 June 2016 (EDT) 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRRlVElEXI] - Teaser Trailer analysis 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19hohCtdJ4Y] - Gameplay Trailer analysis

I also will run the assumption that no matter if it was introduced at the beginning or end of the war, we will be seeing any gun that existed during this time period regardless if it served in actual combat. Like I bet the BAR will be an awesome weapon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:29, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

I am fearing that the game designers will put sights that are the closest thing there will be to "optics" because gamers and kids these days just love their red dots and can't seem to want to play period pieces without their red dots. Greatest example is COD black ops where red dots galore before red dots were even thought possible for long guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:25, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

:Holy damn, they added a Cei-Rigotti, I may have to buy this game. :P --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:32, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

::Well, you do have things that look pretty close to modern optics like [http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/17982/17332762_1.jpg?v=8D086BA4C1ABE20 this thing], which is a rare Zeiss-made 2.5x prismatic magnifier. Also reflex sights are [https://www.forgottenweapons.com/nydar-reflex-sight/ a bit older than you think], they just didn't really catch on at first. Even some WW1 fighter planes had red-dot reflector gunsights, in fact, though you'd never see them officially because they were top-secret: as late as WW2 the RAF was still messing around with photographs to replace reflector sights on Spitfires with old wire bullseye sights.

::Also, regarding the mystery scope on the Beretta M1918, I found [http://www.enfieldresource.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cropped-azzzzzz1.jpg this] image of a Lee-Enfield with what looks like some kind of magnifying rear sight, but I couldn't find any sites describing it or giving it a name. Anyone know? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:49, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
:::It looks like Parker-Hale aperture backsight, most likely [http://www.rifleman.org.uk/PH_Service_sights.htm Model 4] (though it was used with No.4 Mk I rifle). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:46, 29 June 2016 (EDT)
https://imgur.com/gallery/QV6Fc
Speaking of ForgottenWeapons, apparently he took a trip to DICE's LA studio, and assisted them. Dunno how, but it gives me faith that the weapons will at least be modelled and animated as close to authentic as possible.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:42, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
::I can't be the only one who, if I was the one picking the teams for the livestream, would have invited him to play?--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 12:24, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

== Reloading rifles that require opening the action ==
Despite my initial concerns due to how terrible Youtube compression is, making it hard to see details, the round ejected when opening the action is actually accounted for. And by "accounted for", I mean your character covers the ejection port with their left hand as you open the bolt, putting the ejecting round back into the internal magazine. Thought you guys would find this interesting. Literally the ''only'' inaccuracy I'm finding with weapon reloading is the C96, but the alternative is not allowing reloads unless empty, so I can let that one slide. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:20, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
:Love it when animators put details like that into reload animations. That's why i like MoH: Warfighter, delicious animations.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:37, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
::But in the B1 has a realistic reloading (with half-empty magazine replaced by a full magazine no jerks once again charging handle); as well as the balance between the stripper clips and the individual rounds to rifles (insert a stripper clip when you can insert a five ammo to the rifle's magazine, and the pre-load with the individual cartridges) - something that is very rarely see in the video games, and already is an achievement in itself. As for the animations, I hope that they will correct their later, as now the game is only in alpha stage. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:57, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
:::Considering the attention to detail and the selection firearms, this is looking to be atleast interesting to play just to see all the guns.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:58, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
::::I wonder if they'll have the dafter stuff like the catapults and grenade-launching crossbows they developed before everyone came to their senses and started using rifle grenades? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:29, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::Your post reminds me of that knife with a bipod from BF4, that was fun.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:52, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::5 bucks says that they include the Blanch-Chevalier. For those that don't know, it was basically a Martini-Henry with the barrel replaced with a setup that allows for the use of proprietary muzzle-loading grenades and blank cartridges, fired from the shoulder just to make it more ridiculous. Only 1 exists, but given the Cei-Rigotti, it seems likely. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:55, 1 July 2016 (EDT)

== Unknown LMG ==
[[Image:Bf1 unk mg.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
He was seen in the pre-alpha. At first I thought it was the Colt Model 1895; but it seems to be something other. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:27, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
:Actually it's not a machine gun, it is an anti-tank weapon ''1.59-inch Breech-Loading Vickers Q.F. Gun, Mk II''. There are some BF1 videos where it is being used against, well, tanks. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 12:51, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
::As I understand, it will replace the rocket launchers from WWII shooters. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 11:59, 30 June 2016 (EDT)

== Alpha data mined ==

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1241794

A list of all the weapon names obtained from the Alpha files. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

:That's definitely a list of weapons from singleplayer, though that said the odds of SP-only guns should be pretty low. I'm excited for some of those pistols. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:42, 2 July 2016 (EDT)

::Heh, Mars pistol in there as the game's Desert Eagle. Wonder if it costs health to shoot it like the real one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:59, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
:::This is clearly not a complete list. There are missing the many weapons, that are already in the game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 15:06, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
::::Well, this is pulled out of the files (probably for SP) so it's entirely possible some of the MP weapons don't appear in SP. It's also entirely possible some of the weapons on that list will only ever be on that list.
::::I'm a little confused as to what use a 2.7mm smoothbore pistol with an almighty 3 foot-pounds of muzzle energy is going to be in-game, though. The Kolibri makes a .22LR look like a cannon. In fact given the Kolibri is [http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kolibri_and_round_next_to_a_50_AE_bullet_for_comparison.jpg this big] (that's a .50 AE round beside it), it's going to be hard to even see it in your character's hand.
::::What I'm really hoping is somewhere in the DLC they do a Battle of Jutland map where every squad leader can spawn a Dreadnought or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:24, 2 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::Why am I getting the vibe with this is that they just watched any Forgotten Weapons video with a gun from before 1918 and just said, sure let's put that in. I mean the Kolibri's are rare, the Mars were effectively relics by WWI, Howdah's were hunting guns and their military uses were more in India and South Africa, Bulldog's were sort of petering out in popularity with civilians and next to none were in military hands. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 10:26, 4 July 2016 (EST)
::::::Well it's not like it's ever ''not'' been like that given Battlefield's tendency towards things like Pancor Jackhammers and MagPul PDRs and such. Even the first one had you fighting with the StG-44 before it had been invented and with the HMS ''Prince of Wales'' after she'd been sunk. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:44, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, the Battlefield series is known for taking artistic liberties in their games. Don't forget the Tiger I in Operation Battleaxe a year before they entered service. Then of course you have the Secret Weapons pack and all they added. DICE likes to use low production or even just prototypes for their games, and keeping them to the correct chronological point isn't their concern. [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 14:47, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
I gotta say, I quite like that they put these rare or low production weapons in their games, makes the games more interesting and shows of weapons people might never heard of before. If i want historical accuracy, I'd play Red Orchestra or something.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:52, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
:I'll second this entirely. There are so many very cool and interesting guns (and vehicles and other tech) I'd never heard of before, I love it! And really, ''every'' Battlefield's weapon list is like this. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:10, 4 July 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, it makes it more interesting then just having everyone run around with Nagants and Mausers and whatnot.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:02, 4 July 2016 (EDT)

==Neat Video==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuCOj7ez3H8].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 01:06, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
: Something I see there besides the Auto-5 and MG15, I also see the Remington Model 8 as well. Currently an image of it is being used to showcase the Auto-5 which is incorrect as I do not believe the Auto-5 ever held 8 rounds. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 08:51, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
::Well, the Model 8 could be running the 15-rounder, and just isn't fully loaded. Also, we saw the M1918 Mauser 13.2mm, and an icon of the Webley-Fosbery autorevolver (which, by the way, YES) for a split-second. Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 18:52, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
:::I am thoroughly surprised the Chauchat has yet to be revealed. Here's to hoping the French's 8x50mmR Lebel makes it into the game over the US's .30-06 version. [[User:Jaxxons11|Jaxxons11]] ([[User talk:Jaxxons11|talk]]) 21:12, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::The Borchardt C-93, Steyer M1912, and Frommer Stop machine pistol are in some of the recent videos from Gamescon.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 21:23, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::I'd bet the Chauchat will be in the France DLC. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:12, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
:::::Selbstlader M1916 in the hands of an desert infantryman? O_o. I understand everything, but in real life Mauser Selbstlader and the desert - the things, I think, very poorly compatible. Where it would be logical, if it would the pilot's choice of weapon. -[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

==Beta Data Mine, Full Weapon List==
Unlike the previous one, this looks to be a full, proper list of [https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/523ly0/bf1_full_weapon_list_including_gadgets_and/ all weapons], including their presets. As a Canadian, I will absolutely be rocking the Huot Automatic Rifle. Edit: I made an [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/523mef/full_weapon_list_including_gadgets_and_variants/d7hbq46 easier to read version]. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:02, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
:>holy moley a Kolibri pistol
:Forgotten Weapons: The Game is really shaping up well.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:43, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
::Replacing my previous text, as I've put together a [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/529uf8/full_weapon_list_cleaned_organized_and_new/ much more legible and complete list]. I'd be surprised if this isn't a complete list. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:32, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
:::Again, I'm surprised that the Chauchaut hasn't been confirmed yet. I mean, it was the first widely used, man portable, fully automatic rifle. [[User:Jaxxons11|Jaxxons11]] ([[User talk:Jaxxons11|talk]]) 16:27, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
::::Probably all the French weapons are supposed to be in the first DLC.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:34, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::I'd bet anything the France DLC will have the RSC 1917, Chauchat, Lebel (and an Assault gun), while the Russia DLC will have the Fedorov Avtomat and Mosin-Nagant (and Assault/Support guns). [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:30, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::French Assault class automatic will most likely be ''Ribeyrolles Mle. 1918'', calling it now! I really wonder what they could bring in the Russian DLC, maybe more Winchester self loading rifles?--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 09:09, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Figured you guys would want to see [https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/559aey/ingame_images_of_the_2mm_kolibri_pistol/ this]. :3 [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:31, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::::Imagine it serves as a melee weapon that behaves akin to an extreme choking hazard.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 17:27, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Maybe it's for the yet-to-be-revealed Ant class. On a more serious note, my best guesses for the French DLC are an Mle. 1892, a Star Ruby (along with a possible Plus Ultra variant), a Savage pistol, and maybe an 1873 Chamelot-Delvigne as a joke (with a muzzle velocity of about 2 m/s), a Ribeyrolles 1918, a Chauchat, an RSC 1917 or 1918, a Lebel, a Berthier, and maybe a Remington Rolling Block. Only time will tell. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:13, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
::::::::::Hopefully after you've emptied the weapon and dirtied someones shirt you can throw it at them. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 15:50, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
On a slightly less related note, we've got confirmation of the M1889 Bodeo, based on some early footage of the cinematic tools available ingame, along with the BAR. It's in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_j6D1NsHc/ this video.] Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:14, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:Nice to finally see some revolver gameplay, though I do want to see their reloads, what with most of them using loading gates. Also, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMPTc6E9wxo the Avanti Savoia teaser], with a shot of a rather unique weapon in it. :3 [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:47, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

==Some Weapons + Skins==
Found this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YmPP2h8u40/ here] of a guy showcasing some weapons and weapon skins. Added the ones that I saw, also I'm not liking many of those skins at all in my honest opinion. The flashy gold engraving is not too bad but most of them are pretty bad. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 16:53, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
:It's a WWI game, you don't need skins. It looks quite ironic when a gold plated BAR gets muddy in St. Quentin Scar.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:21, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
:: It's not like this is a game about realism. Prototypes and experimental designs being used as standard issue and all. Not to mention tactics not seen until the Second World War(Literally saw a combined armed blitzkrieg assault using RE8s and Mark IV tanks). [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 17:40, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Nice to see that DICE have acknowledged the M1897's slam fire capability.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:14, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

==Can't shake modern warfare ==

I just watched the early footage of the game yesterday and watching the player go through the first couple missions, I'd noticed that the creators of this game really can't get away from everything modern warfare style games have done to the genre of shooters. You first start off with the broom handle, sure that's ok. Churchill himself used one in his youth but then, you can tell the progression of the player as he picked up the "essentially an assault rifle" and going to town, then switching up to full auto weapons. It's cool to use those types of guns, but the historical inaccuracy is just painful and we know why they did it. They designed this game to feel like modern warfare with guns close enough to today's automatic guns in a time period that didn't have a lot of that in the actual feel. It's like if they make a Civil War game and we constantly see Henry rifles even though they weren't that prominent on the battlefield, despite being game changers. It's like the designers think it'd be too boring for the Brits to use a bolt action Enfield with a Webley as his sidearm. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
: "It's like the designers think it'd be too boring for the Brits to use a bolt action Enfield with a Webley as his sidearm." Yes, that is the point. This is an AAA game trying to compete on the shooter market with the mass of gamers, not a game made for people who want realism. Using tactics of the Great War, with common weapons of the Great War, would be too slow for the average shooter player(Look at the insanity of Titanfall). To be a big seller, you have to have intense fast paced action, and bolt actions and trench warfare doesn't do that. Instead of have a gamer closer to a World War 2 game, because fast mechanized warfare is what the average gamer wants. Remember, this game isn't for us older people into the historical lore of the firearms of the period, but for that range from 15-25. [[User:Zombiedrd|Zombiedrd]] ([[User talk:Zombiedrd|talk]]) 12:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::I've noticed exactly that watching some of the game-play videos out now. In one of the story modes the character has a bolt-action for about 30 seconds before switching to a semi-auto rifle and then picking up a portable machine gun. Based on a lot of weaponry it seems the game developers based most of it on the Forgotten Weapons youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons/videos [[User:brasco|brasco]] ([[User talk:brasco|talk]]) 15:16, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Battlefield 1

2016-10-13T19:14:34Z

Brasco: modern warfare

Speed

2015-12-29T23:56:31Z

Brasco: Bus had travel under 50 mph

{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Speed
|picture = speed.jpg
|caption = ''Movie poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = [[Jan de Bont]]
|date= 1994
|language = English
|studio=Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
|distributor=
|character1=Jack Traven
|actor1=[[Keanu Reeves]]
|character2=Howard Payne
|actor2=[[Dennis Hopper]]
|character3=Annie Porter
|actor3=[[Sandra Bullock]]
|character4=Harold 'Harry' Temple
|actor4=[[Jeff Daniels]]
|character5=Captain McMahon
|actor5=[[Joe Morton]]
}}

'''''Speed''''' is the 1994 action film that stars [[Keanu Reeves]] as an LAPD SWAT officer who finds himself on a city bus which he is told will explode if its speed dips below 50 miles per hour. The film marked the directorial debut of noted action film cinematographer [[Jan de Bont]] and the cast included [[Dennis Hopper]] as well as [[Sandra Bullock]] in her breakthrough performance. [[Sandra Bullock]] would return in the 1997 sequel ''[[Speed 2: Cruise Control]]''.

{{Film Title}}

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=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch HK94A3 (chopped and converted)==
LAPD SWAT Officers Jack Traven ([[Keanu Reeves]]) and Harry Temple ([[Jeff Daniels]]) are seen using [[Heckler & Koch HK94A3]] collapsing stock civilian guns with 16" barrels chopped and converted to resemble [[MP5A3]]s, fitted with Surefire light dedicated forends when responding to an incident near the beginning of the film. They can be noted as HK94s instead of MP5A3s because of the lack of barrel lugs, a push-pin set and the lack of a paddle magazine release behind the magazine.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A3 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack takes his chopped and converted Heckler & Koch HK94A3 out of the trunk of his car.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack loads a magazine into his HK94A3 and smacks the bolt. Note lack of barrel lugs.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack prepares for a door breach with his HK94A3 at the ready.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Jack clears a hallway armed with his HK94A3.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-5.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Harry with his HK94A3. Unlike Jack, he keeps the stock extended so he doesn't have to rely on just the sling for a steady aim.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack checks the elevator shaft with his HK94A3. Note lack of a paddle magazine release.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack searches the roof with his HK94A3.]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack searches the roof with his HK94A3. Like many actors, he has trouble keeping the light button depressed enough to not turn the light on.]]

==Heckler & Koch SP89 (mocked up as MP5K)==
Howard Payne ([[Dennis Hopper]]) uses a nickel plated [[Heckler & Koch SP89]] made to look like an [[MP5K]] by adding the MP5K foregrip and converting it to full-auto. It can be noted as an SP89 instead of an MP5K due to the lack of a paddle magazine release behind the magazine and lack of a push-pin lower receiver. According to the movie armorers, the filmmakers paid in advance for the armorers to send out the gun to be nickel plated. The weapon stayed Satin nickel until after 2001 when it was converted back to live fire.
[[Image:H&K-MP5KEarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch SP89 converted to full auto fire and made to look like an MP5K - 9x19mm. Note lack of paddle magazine release and push-pin lower receiver.]]
[[Image:SpeedSP89-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne takes Annie ([[Sandra Bullock]]) to the train armed with his converted Heckler & Koch SP89. Note lack of a paddle magazine release.]]
[[Image:SpeedSP89-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne with the SP89. Note lack of a push-pin lower receiver.]]
[[Image:SpeedSP89-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne fires his SP89 into the air to scare away bystanders.]]
[[Image:SpeedSP89-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne forces the passengers off the train.]]
[[Image:SpeedSP89-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne kills the train operator with his full auto converted SP89 when he sees him reach for his radio.]]
[[Image:SpeedSP89-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne fires his fully automatic SP89 at Jack on the roof of the train.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2 (chopped and converted)==
When entering Payne's house with Harry, Robin ([[Margaret Medina]]) is seen using a full-stock [[Heckler & Koch HK94A2]] 16" barrel civilian gun chopped and converted to resemble an [[MP5A2]] with a Surefire light dedicated forend. Other SWAT officers are seen with HK94A2s.
[[Image:HK 94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK94A2 chopped and converted to resemble MP5A2 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SpeedHK94-9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Robin stands behind Harry with her chopped and converted Heckler & Koch HK94A2 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Speed 911.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SWAT officer with the A2.]]

=Handguns=
==M1911A1==
LAPD SWAT officers including Jack Traven ([[Keanu Reeves]]) and Harry Temple ([[Jeff Daniels]]) keep [[M1911A1]] pistols with (early made "Laser Products") Surefire 310R (Reeves) and 610R (Daniels) flashlights as their sidearms in the film. Even though the LAPD standard issue sidearm for patrol officers were in 9mm caliber, LAPD SWAT had always used .45 M1911 models as their sidearm. These 1911 models varied differently for each user, many of which where handguns originally confiscated from criminals and tricked out by the department "gun cage jockey" who would turn the guns into tactical weapons. These were also the first guns to be fitted with frame mounted flashlights. After deciding to have the department issue these guns so the officers wouldn't have to buy them, they tested several models until they decided upon the [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] as their sidearms. Since this film is before the issue of these guns, the 1911s can be any type of model. According to the armorers who worked on this film, the 1911s in the film were both 1911A1s and 9mm [[Colt Mark IV Series 70|Colt Series 70s]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt MK IV Series 70 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack readies his M1911A1 as Harry ([[Jeff Daniels]]) opens the elevator hatch.]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack points his M1911A1 at Howard Payne ([[Dennis Hopper]]) through the hatch in the roof.]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack ([[Keanu Reeves]]) points his M1911A1 at Payne when he takes Harry hostage.]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his M1911A1 at Payne as he holds Harry hostage.]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When discussing a scenario in which a terrorist holds a hostage at gunpoint at 100 yards, Jack said to wound the hostage to slow down the terrorist. Unfortunately for Harry, he shows here he truly believes in this method and shoots Harry in the leg (missing his Femoral Artery by millimeters!). Harry curses him for this and he shrugs a "what did you expect" shrug.]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack points his M1911A1 at Payne, who is now without a hostage.]]
[[File:Speed451.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harry searches Payne's house with his M1911A1 at the ready, keeping a nice two-handed high-grip. This model appears to be a military [[M1911A1]] judging by the grips, the safety lever, a dark-gray finish and hammer.]]
[[Image:SpeedM1911A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harry searches the house.]]
[[File:Spee452.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the Surefire 610R flashlight, longer than the Traven's 310R.]]
[[File:Speed453.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 1911 used by Jack Traven ([[Keanu Reeves]]) is clearly a [[Colt Mark IV Series 70|Series 70]] - Note the Colt emblem on the grips. Note also the tape used to better hold the remote control - This system is really used on the 1911s that mount flashlights.]]
[[Image:Speed2Series70.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Some characters don't have the grips taped (red and green circle [[Richard Lineback]]).]]

==Smith & Wesson 6904==
Jack Traven ([[Keanu Reeves]]) keeps a [[Smith & Wesson 6904]] as his off-duty sidearm in the film. This gun was built as a concealable 12 shot version of the [[Smith & Wesson 5904|5904]] model, with a 3.5" barrel and a bobbed hammer.
[[Image:S&W6904compact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 6904, newer model with rounded trigger guard - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Traven ([[Keanu Reeves]]) commandeers a citizens Jaguar at gunpoint with his [[Smith & Wesson 6904]].]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack points his Smith & Wesson 6904 at the citizen on the bus who draws a gun.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack points his 6904 at Payne as he holds Annie Porter ([[Sandra Bullock]]) hostage.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack shoots out the lock on the door with his 6904.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the other side of the door are civilians running for their lives as bullets nearly hit them. Don't shoot through things unless you know what's on the other side!]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack crawls along the roof of the train with his 6904 in hand.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W4004-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack loses his 6904 as he tries to avoid Payne's gunfire.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Ray ([[Daniel Villarreal]]) draws a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] with Pachmayr grips on Jack when he first gets on until Ortiz ([[Carlos Carrasco]]) tackles the gunman, resulting in a stray shot which hits Sam ([[Hawthorne James]]), the bus driver.
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickel Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W60-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ray draws a Smith & Wesson Model 36.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W60-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ray points his Smith & Wesson Model 36 at Jack.]]
[[Image:SpeedS&W60-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ray accidentally shoots Sam while struggling with Ortiz.]]

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500A Mariner (Pistol Grip)==
Howard Payne ([[Dennis Hopper]]) uses a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500A Mariner]] fitted with a pistol grip with the barrel sawed down to 16" to shoot at Jack and Harry through the roof of the elevator (which would result in temporary hearing damage). When Harry falls through, he continues to fire at Jack, while taking the elevator to the top floor to force Jack to jump in. When he does, he sticks the shotgun in his face and pulls the trigger, only to find the gun is empty. In reality, his Mossberg is a six shot (including one in the chamber), not eight like it is portrayed in the film.
[[File:MossbergMarGrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500A Mariner fitted with a pistol grip - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SpeedMossberg500Mariner-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne fires his Mossberg 500A Mariner through the roof of the elevator.]]
[[Image:SpeedMossberg500Mariner-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Payne looks for Jack on the roof, Mossberg 500A Mariner at the ready.]]
[[Image:SpeedMossberg500Mariner-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I don't think anybody will give me three million just for you."'' Payne points his Mossberg Mariner at Jack.]]
[[Image:SpeedMossberg500Mariner-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Payne pulls the trigger only to find it empty.]]

=Rifles=
==Winchester Model 70==
The LAPD SWAT snipers waiting for Payne to take his money watch the exchange site with [[Winchester Model 70|Winchester Pre-64 Model 70]] sniper rifles.
[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Pre-64 Model 70 - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:Speed 903.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A LAPD SWAT sharpshooter with a [[Winchester Model 70|Winchester Pre-64 Model 70]]. Note the blue and gray urban camo scheme on this particular rifle.]]
[[Image:Speed 905.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Another SWAT sniper with a Winchester Model 70.]]
[[Image:SpeedSniperRifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT sniper aims his sniper rifle.]]
[[Image:SpeedSniperRifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT sniper aims his sniper rifle.]]
[[Image:SpeedSniperRifle-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT sniper aims his sniper rifle with Harris bipod.]]

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Commando

2013-07-05T18:55:59Z

Brasco: /* Desert Eagle Mark I */ film was shot in 1985

[[Image:Commandoposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Commando'' (1985)]]

'''''Commando''''' is a 1985 action film starring [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as John Matrix, a former Special Forces commander who is forced to work for a deposed South American dictator or his daughter ([[Alyssa Milano]]) will be killed. The film was directed by [[Mark L. Lester]] and the cast includes [[Rae Dawn Chong]], [[David Patrick Kelly]], [[Bill Duke]], and [[Vernon Wells]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Commando'':'''
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=Handguns=

==Beretta 92SB==
John Matrix ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) takes a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] from the arsenal hidden in his tool shed and tucks it in his belt. He never gets to use it though and it disappears from his belt when he crashes his truck.
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92SB - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CommandoBeretta92SB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix tucks his Beretta 92SB into his belt. Note the US Special Forces logo on his belt buckle. Note that Beretta logo is missing.]]
[[Image:CommandoBeretta92SB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Wrong!" As Matrix holds the HK91, the Beretta 92SB is seen in Matrix's belt. Note that the pistol is now tucked outside his pants.]]

==Desert Eagle Mark I==
A chrome [[Desert Eagle|Magnum Research Desert Eagle Mark I]] is the sidearm carried by Matrix during the final assault on Arius' mansion. This Desert Eagle is chambered in .357 or .44 being that the film was shot and released in 1985.
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkIstainless.jpg|thumb|none|340px|Matte stainless Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Commando DesertEagle 03Det.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Double screen of the Desert Eagle.]]
[[Image:CommandoDesertEagle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix grabs the Desert Eagle while in the armory]]
[[Image:Commando 103.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Matrix chambers his Desert Eagle. Note how the magazine floor plate is falling off.]]
[[Image:CommandoDesertEagle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix fires his Desert Eagle during the assault on Arius' mansion.]]

==Colt Combat Commander Series 70==

General Kirby ([[James Olson]]) keeps a [[M1911#Colt Commander|Colt Combat Commander Series 70]] carried in his holster when Matrix surprises him and pulls the gun out and points it at him.

[[Image:ColtCombatCommanderSS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Combat Commander with Satin Nickel Finish and wood grips - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Commando ColtSeries70A.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Kirby's Colt Commander moments before being grabbed by Matrix.]]
[[Image:Commando M1911 01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Matrix getting the drop on his friend General Kirby ([[James Olson]]) with a satin nickel Commander, the "little brother" of the classic 1911/Series 70 pistols.]]

==ASP 9==
Sully ([[David Patrick Kelly]]) wields an [[ASP 9]] as his sidearm in the film.
[[Image:ASP 9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|ASP 9x19mm,Note that this the screen gun used in the film [[Cobra]]]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W39-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sully fires his ASP 9mm at Matrix through the phone booth.]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W39-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sully ([[David Patrick Kelly]]) with his ASP 9mm while in the elevator at the mall.]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W39-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sully fires his ASP 9mm at Matrix during the car chase.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
Police officers at the mall use [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] revolvers while trying to apprehend Matrix.
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cindy knocks down an officer armed with a Smith & Wesson Model 15 before he can shoot Matrix.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
Sully's contact in the mall fires at the police with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]].
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Classic Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W60snub-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sully's contact in the mall tries to fire his Smith & Wesson Model 60 at the police.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 67==

Cooke ([[Bill Duke]]) tries to shoot Matrix with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15|Smith & Wesson Model 67]], the stainless version of the Model 15, while fighting with him in Sully's hotel room.
[[Image:S&WM67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 67 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooke and Matrix fight as Cooke tries to shoot Matrix with his Smith & Wesson Model 67.]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooke fires his Model 67 at Matrix.]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cooke attempts to fire his Model 67 at Matrix...]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...but gets an unfortunate surprise.]]

==M1911A1==

Some of Arius' men use [[M1911A1]]s as their sidearms.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Arius' soldier on the right ([[Thomas Rosales Jr.]]) has an M1911A1. Note how the slide is not locked back and the hammer is uncocked even though he emptied the magazine moments before.]]
[[Image:CommandoM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix prepares to use a machete on the arm of the M1911A1-wielding soldier.]]

==Detonics ScoreMaster==

During the final showdown with Matrix, Bennett shoots him in the arm with a [[M1911 pistol#Detonics ScoreMaster|Detonics ScoreMaster]] before tossing it down in favor of his knife.
[[Image:Detonicsscoremaster.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Detonics ScoreMaster - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett keeps his Detonics ScoreMaster in a black leather US Issue M1911 pistol holster with the bottom cut out to accommodate the extended barrel]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett shoots Matrix with his Detonics ScoreMaster]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett with his ScoreMaster.]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett with his ScoreMaster.]]

==Detonics CombatMaster==

In Matrix's own weapons shed, a [[M1911 pistol#Detonics CombatMaster|Detonics CombatMaster]] can be seen on a wall rack.
[[Image:Detonicscombat-master.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Detonics CombatMaster - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics_commando.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The Detonics CombatMaster circled in red]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Uzi==

One of the weapons used by Matrix that appears in the the final assault is the full size [[Uzi]], when stealing the seaplane to reach Arius' compound and during the final battle.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CommandoUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix picks up an Uzi submachine gun in the sporting goods store armory and hands it to Cindy]]
[[Image:CommandoUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires the Uzi while waiting for Cindy to start the plane.]]
[[Image:Commando uziA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Matrix uses Uzi during the raid on Arius' base]]

==Micro Uzi==

A [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by Bennett ([[Vernon Wells]]) during a last ditch effort against Matrix, but Bennett is killed by Matrix before he can fire it.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|275px|Micro Uzi with 15 rd magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett chambers a round in his Micro Uzi before being killed by Matrix (Note how he works the cocking handle while his finger is on the trigger- now we know why he got kicked out of the Special Forces!)]]

==Ingram MAC-10==

The [[MAC-10]] submachine gun can be seen being used by Cooke ([[Bill Duke]]) and Diaz ([[Gary Cervantes]]) in the beginning of the movie, killing members of Matrix's old special forces unit.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Ingram MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoMAC-10-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooke ([[Bill Duke]]) readies his MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Commando MAC-10A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooke fires (no blinking, no squinting, eyes open) his MAC-10]]
[[Image:CommandoMAC-10-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooke finishes off their first target with a burst from his MAC-10]]
[[Image:CommandoMAC-10-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|His MAC-10 changes to a rubber prop after the shot above so he can toss it in the garbage truck without damaging the gun. Diaz ([[Gary Cervantes]]) also holds a MAC-10.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped & converted)==

One of Arius' men is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]] with the 16" barrel chopped down and converted to full auto to resemble an MP5A3. The only feature seen to note this is the lack of the three barrel lugs on the barrel.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:CommandoHK94c&c-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Arius' man fires his chopped and converted HK94 with a slimline forend]]

=Rifles=

==Heckler & Koch HK91==

During the attack on his home that results in the kidnapping of his daughter Jenny (Alyssa Milano), John Matrix ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) retrieves a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] from the armory in his tool shed to fend off the attackers. Since the receiver has only two fire positions (Safe and Fire) it is the semi automatic HK91 rather than the select fire G3.
[[Image:HK Model 91.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK91 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:CommandoHK91.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix chambers his HK91 after retrieving it from the tool shed]]
[[Image:Commando HK91A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix with his HK91 with two magazines attached together with a clip]]
[[Image:Commando HK91 02A.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Matrix with his HK91 with two magazines attached together with a clip]]

==M16/SP1 Rifle==

The original [[M16]] (also known as the Colt SP1 rifle) is used, as denoted by the slab side upper receiver (minus a bolt assist). The three pronged flash hider, however, is replaced with a standard A1 birdcage flash hider in many of the rifles.
[[Image:M16SP1Birdcage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16/SP1 Rifle with A1 flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Commando SP1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Arius' men patrol the barracks with original M16/SP1 rifles (Note how the actor is properly holding the weapon in a safe direction with his finger off the trigger.)]]
[[Image:Commando SP1 02A.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Most of the M16 rifles that are fired are the M16/SP1 rifles]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Arius' men is sent flying while holding an M16/SP1 rifle]]

==M16 with A2 handguards==

South American police are seen with [[M16]] (Colt SP1) rifles outfitted with A2 handguards to look like the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifle]]. Kirby's men at the end of the film are also seen with these rifles.
[[Image:M16-SP1-with-A2-Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16/SP1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A South American police officer armed with an M16 fitted with A2 handguards]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A South American police officer armed with an M16 fitted with A2 handguards]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An officer with his SP1 with A2 handguards slung over his back]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Major General Kirby's (James Olson) men are also seen with these rifles at the end of the film. These rifles also appear to have barrels built to accept an [[M203 grenade launcher]].]]

==MGC M16 aka 'Replica M16s'==

Obvious because the [[M16#Non Firing Replicas of the M16 Rifle|MGC M16]] (Model Gun Corp of Japan) metal M16 replicas have three pronged flash hiders, but they are mounted '''upside down''' and their 20 round magazines are blued, not Colt anodized gray. Used by every soldier/combatant carrying an M16 when they are doing stunts or pointing the muzzle directing at someone without firing. The replicas were probably used so extensively for safety purposes.
[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television]]
[[Image:CommandoMGCreplica-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the fake forward assist and blued magazine on this MGC M16 replica.]]
[[Image:Commando MGC16A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|When Arius' men stick their M16 rifles into Matrix's stomach, they are obvious replica guns.]]
[[Image:Commando M16A1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|When they are not touching the actor, they switch to real M16/SP1 rifles.]]

==M16A1 Rifle==

There are numerous appearances of [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles in the film; used by U.S. military personnel as well as some of Arius' ([[Dan Hedaya]]) men, one of which Matrix commandeers and uses as well. Most of the M16 rifles seen have 20 round magazines, but some have 30 round magazines. Throughout the final battle, the rifles in the hands of actors and stuntmen change from original M16 (SP1) rifles to M16A1 rifles and back again.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Commando-M16A1SniperA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Diaz ([[Gary Cervantes]]) fires his M16A1 fitted with a scope at Matrix and Kirby's men.]]
[[Image:CommandoM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Sniper fires his M16A1 fitted with a scope at Matrix and Kirby's men. This guy is actually aiming! Note the blank adapter protruding from the barrel into the muzzle break.]]
[[Image:CommandoM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires an M16A1 at Arius one handed]]
[[Image:Commando M16A1Detail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|'''Continuity Error''': Matrix fires an '''M16A1''' rifle in one shot, and then the gun changes to an '''M16 (SP1)''' rifle in the next shot!]]

==CAR-15==

General Kirby's men, who are assigned to protect Matrix and his daughter, but end up killed themselves are armed with [[M16#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] carbines. '''Not''' XM177s/Colt Commandos, they look to be commercial CAR-15 clones due to the length and shape of their 'fake' XM177 suppressor/flash hider.
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|CAR-15 Rifle with a fake XM177 flash hider welded on to make the barrel a legal 16" for commercial sale - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Commando CAR-15Adetail.jpg‎ |thumb|none|700px|Kirby's men have Commercial CAR-15 rifles]]

==Ruger Mini-14 GB==

Arius' men use [[Ruger Mini-14|Ruger Mini-14 GB]]s with factory folding stocks. Several of them are seen firing at Matrix and a few are seen dying with their Ruger Rifles. Some are stainless steel models, others are blued models.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix takes a Ruger Mini-14 GB from the armory in the sporting goods store]]
[[Image:Commando RugerGBa.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|Arius' man firing a Ruger Mini-14 GB with folding stock]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Some people think when this guy is firing that the gun is full auto. In reality, the actor is just pulling the trigger fast and a full auto sound is dubbed in.]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men dies holding a Ruger Mini-14 GB]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men fires his Mini-14 at Matrix in the tool shed]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-7.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men waits to ambush Matrix. Wouldn't be very South American without a cigar, would he?]]

==Steyr AUG==

A [[Steyr AUG]] is seen on the wall of the hidden arms room in the 'surplus store', but never used. Seen again, during the final raid on Arius' compound, Arius attempts to take out Matrix using a [[Steyr AUG]] bullpup rifle, but ultimately fails and ends up among Matrix's body count.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Steyr AUG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Steyr AUG is seen in the armory]]
[[Image:Commando AUG2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arius fires his Steyr AUG but to no avail]]‎

==AKM==

Throughout the film, some of Arius' men are seen using [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]]s.

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|470px|AKM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Commando AKMdetail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|First seen when surrounded at the tool shed, some soldiers have AKMs, later the AKMs are held by the numerous soldiers who die '''acrobatic''' ballet style deaths at the hands of Matrix]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==

A [[Remington 870]] shotgun is used by Matrix during the final raid on Arius' compound. The gun has a long barrel with an specialized under-barrel laser sight that is often confused with an extended magazine tube. However, in the film, the shotgun actually changes (continuity error) several times in the sequence, sometimes the foregrip looks different and the sling changes from being slung over the barrel to over the magazine tube. Since the movie had many continuity errors with the other guns, it makes being 100% sure of the shotgun type difficult.

The laser sight is specifically made for the Remington 870 shotgun by the Laser Products Corporation (later Surefire) laser sight. This is the same type of laser sight used in [[Terminator, The|The Terminator]] and [[Wanted: Dead or Alive (1987)|Wanted: Dead Or Alive]]. The laser sight is easily distinguished by the proprietary LPC "clamp" as well as the actual sight's "bell-shaped" end.

[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 with early style Black Synthetic Riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix chambers his Remington 870]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note how the Remington 870 slung on his back is a rubber prop that bends around his back!]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires his Remington 870]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires his Remington 870 at Arius]]
[[Image:Commando Shotgun 05detail.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Though his shotgun is supposed to be a Remington 870, it has been heavily customized and unfortunately changes slightly from shot to shot. Note the LPC laser sight.]]

==Franchi SPAS-12==

Another weapon seen being carried by Arius' men, but not used in combat is the [[Franchi SPAS-12]].
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:CommandoToolShed.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Franchi SPAS-12 is seen in Matrix's tool shed when he retrieves his weaponry. Note the compact and full sized M1911 variants hanging on the wall.]]
[[Image:CommandoSPAS-12-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A SPAS-12 is seen in the hands of a guard outside Arius' compound]]
[[Image:CommandoSPAS-12-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The guard to the left is armed with a SPAS-12]]

=Machine Guns=

==Valmet M78/83==

One of the weapons used by Matrix during the assault on Arius' base, the [[Valmet M78]] is a Finnish light machine gun similar in appearance to the [[RPK light machine gun|RPK]], the main difference being a different muzzle brake, front sight assembly, and many other structural differences. The [[Valmet M78]] Light Machine Gun has a standard RPK 'style' buttstock. The later [[Valmet M78#Valmet M78|Valmet M78/83]] has a synthetic thumbhole "Dragunov Style" stock. This is the version used in the film. The Valmet M78 series of Light Machine guns came in 7.62x51mm (.308) and 7.62x39mm calibers.
[[Image:Valmet M78 LMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Valmet M78 with Straight Stock and standard 40 round Magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Commando M78 01DetailsA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup details of the Valmet M78/83 when Matrix is preparing to attack‎]]
[[Image:Commando 106.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix carries the Valmet M78/83 during the final raid on Arius' base‎]]
[[Image:Commando 101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix fires the Valmet M78/83]]
[[Image:CommandoValmet78.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix fires the Valmet M78/83 at Arius' men]]

==M60E3 Machine Gun==

The [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine gun]] first appears being used by one of Arius' men, and is commandeered and used by Matrix. The M60E3 used in the film had a shorter barrel, several inches shorter than the standard M60E3.

[[Image:M60E3Short.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Arius' men fires the M60E3 at Matrix in the tool shed]]
[[Image:Commando M60E3 01detail.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M60E3 first used by Arius' men when trying to kill Matrix in the tool shed, then taken by Matrix and used against the soldiers]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E3-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matrix fires the M60E3. Note the blank rounds on the belt, and a blank adapter in the barrel. This shot appears to be reversed since Arnold is right handed and the charging handle is on the wrong side.]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E3-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Schwarzenegger is probably one of the only actors who can comfortably hold the M60E3 in one hand.]]
[[Image:Commando 108b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ammo belt on the M60E3 is a continuity nightmare, literally growing between shots.]]

==M60 Machine Gun==

One of Arius' men is seen guarding his mansion armed with an [[M60 machine gun]]. One is also seen in the sporting goods armory.
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men guard the entrance armed with an M60]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An M60 is seen in the sporting goods armory]]

=Launchers=

==M202A1 FLASH==

Another weapon used by Matrix during the final assault, the [[M202 FLASH|M202A1 FLASH]] is the 4-barreled rocket launcher first seen being used by Cindy ([[Rae Dawn Chong]]) to flip the police van carrying Matrix after he's arrested raiding a sporting goods store for supplies - apparently she decided the best way to rescue him was to blow up the vehicle he was riding in.
[[Image:M202A2 FLASH.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M202 FLASH - 66mm]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up and checks the M202 FLASH in the sporting goods store armory. Note how the side reads "M202A1".]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cindy aims the M202 FLASH at the police van, unaware it is backwards. She claims she read the instructions, but it's obvious she didn't.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Oops.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cindy turns the launcher around and shoots the police van. Note how their aren't any rockets in the launcher.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up the M202 on his way to Arius' base.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix prepares to fire the M202.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-7.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Note how a pyrotechnic charge is seen instead of a rocket.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-8.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Same with his shot. Somehow, he fires a rocket out of the same tube as before.]]

=Explosives=

==M67 Hand Grenade==

Yet another weapon used by Matrix is several [[M67 hand grenade]]s. Some are also used by Arius' men during the final battle.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|200px|M69 inert training hand grenade]]
[[Image:CommandoM67grenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up M67 hand grenades in the armory.]]
[[Image:CommandoM67grenade-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix ties the M67 grenades to his vest while preparing to assault Arius' base. This is a very bad way to carry grenades and anyone with basic military training will agree, this is NOT how to carry them. When carried by the pin, several safety hazards are present.]]

==M18A1 Claymore==

Just before starting the final battle, Matrix plants several [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mines on the grounds of the complex, and triggers it remotely during the battle. Though the M18A1 Claymore is an antipersonnel mine, the ones in the film are strong enough to vaporize an entire building, indicative of the 'exaggeration' of Hollywood movies. The M18A1 Claymore mines are not real (of course NONE are real in movies), however the ones in this film are even more 'customized' than usual. They are plastic casts of the M18A1 and fabricated to take an internal Radio receiver (and custom detonator). The Real M18A1 would be a self enclosed unit, two plastic halves enclosing the explosive and steel balls (shrapnel), and would not have room to add on an internal radio unit.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]
[[Image:CommandoMockClaymore-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up the mock M18A1 Claymores in the armory.]]
[[Image:Commando ClaymoreDetail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Mines used by Matrix, note that the raised letters "M18 A1" are gone (ground off) as are the painted lot numbers (a feature of real Claymores). A faux radio controller and tiny light bulb is visible 'glued' into the side of the M18A1 which Matrix uses to radio detonate a series of these mines.]]

==Hidden Armory==

In search of weapons and supplies, Matrix goes to a sporting goods store and opens up a secret armory behind the wall, revealing hundreds of guns inside. The ones most obvious are:
[[Image:CommandoArmory-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Matrix first enters the armory, the blue section of the wall is holding up several [[MAC-10]]s, [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]]s, a [[TEC-9|TEC-9 Mini]], and an MP5, likely a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]] chopped and converted. On the white section of the wall, the only two guns seen clearly are sniper variant HK91s, likely [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch SR9-T]]s.]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seen on this section is a [[Steyr AUG]] rifle, two [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifles, an [[Galil|IMI Galil ARM]], a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91A3]], an [[M202 FLASH]], and two [[Browning M1917]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the blue section of the wall are two [[Uzi]]s and two [[MAC-10]]s.]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the white section of the wall is an [[M16|M16A1]] with a suppressor and a scope, a [[Valmet M78]] in the Dragunov figuration, a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] with a scope, and a [[Steyr AUG]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Matrix picks up his [[Remington 870]], to the left is a WW2 German [[Panzerschreck]], an [[M60]], two [[Valmet M78|Valmet M78/83]]s, and what appears to be an [[MM1 grenade launcher]]. To the right is an [[M16|M16A1]] fitted with a suppressor and scope, a [[Valmet M78]] in the Dragunov configuration, a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] fitted with a scope, and a [[Steyr AUG]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On one of the racks are [[M16|M16A1]]s, [[M16#Non Firing Replicas of the M16 Rifle|MGC M16 replica]]s, [[FN FAL|L1A1 SLR]]s, [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]]s, and [[Valmet M78|Valmet M78/83]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Matrix picks up an [[M202 FLASH]], an [[Galil|IMI Galil ARM]] is seen along with a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91A3]] and two [[Browning M1917]]s.]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here's a better view of the two [[Browning M1917]] machine guns. To the right is a [[Browning M2|Browning M2 Aircraft]] .50 caliber. On the rack behind him are rows of [[M1 Garand]] rifles with the fake "M14 style" flash hiders on them (as previously seen on ''[[A Rumor of War]]''.]]

==See Also==

* ''[[D-Day (Den'D)]]'' (2008 Russian remake of ''Commando'')

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Django Unchained

2013-01-06T09:48:28Z

Brasco:

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[[File:Django Unchained Teaser Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Django Unchained'' (2012)]]

'''''Django Unchained''''' is a 2012 "Southern" written and directed by [[Quentin Tarantino]]. The film stars [[Jamie Foxx]] as Django, an acquired slave who is partnered with a bounty hunter named Dr. King Shultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) to track down and eliminate the notorious Bittle Brothers of whom Shultz has no knowledge of appearance. If the brothers are brought to justice, Shultz promises to aid Django in his quest to find the man who has enslaved his wife and rescue her from his clutches. The cast includes [[Leonardo DiCaprio]], [[Don Johnson]], [[Walton Goggins]], and [[Samuel L. Jackson]]. The film's name is a homage to the 1966 Italian Western ''[[Django]]'' that starred [[Franco Nero]] (who also has a role in this film).

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Django Unchained:'''''

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= Pistols =
== Cobra "Big Bore" Derringer ==
Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) and Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) use [[Cobra Derringer|Cobra "Big Bore" Derringers]] as their secondary weapons. They are attached to drawer slides that allow for quick pistol drawing. They are both polished steel with pearl grips which means they are duplicates or in fact the same pistol. This weapon is anachronistic because the movie took place in 1858.
[[File:Cobra Big Bore Derringer Chrome.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Cobra CB38 Big Bore Derringer, chrome finish - .38 Special]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 1.jpg|thumb|602px|none|A close up shot of the pistol. The ventilated rib identifies it as a modern Cobra replica.]]
[[Image:Django.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) wields his Derringer.]]
[[Image:Django_unchained.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A production image shows Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) firing his Derringer.]]

==Remington 1858 New Army==
Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) uses what appears to be a [[Remington 1858 New Army]]. We also see Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) dual wield revolvers, one of which is a [[Remington 1858 New Army]].
[[File:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington 1858 New Army - .44 caliber]]
[[File:Django-navy.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) draws his [[Remington 1858 New Army]].]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 5.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) fires his [[Remington 1858 New Army]].]]
[[File:Django-revolver-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right hand and a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand. Note the way the white wall appears to be covered in some unidentified black substance. This is an edit done for movie trailers to airbrush out blood.]]
[[File:Django-revolver-4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right hand and a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand.]]

==Colt 1851 Navy==
Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) dual wields a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] and a [[Remington 1858 New Army]].
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1851 Navy - .36 caliber.]]
[[File:Django-revolver-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand and a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right..]]
[[File:Django-revolver-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand and a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right.]]

= Shotguns =
==Double Barrelled Muzzle-loading Shotgun==
A double barrelled muzzle loading shotgun is used by a slaver ([[James Remar]]).
[[File:Django unchained trailer 8.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

= Rifles =
==Sharps Rifle==
A variant of the [[Sharps Rifle]] is used by Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]).
[[File:Sharps1874cavalarycarbine.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine - .45-70 caliber]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 2.jpg|thumb|602px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) takes aim with the Sharps.]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 3.jpg|thumb|602px|none|Closeup of Django with the Sharps.]]

==Henry 1860==
A steel framed [[Henry 1860]] rifle can be seen being used by henchmen and Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]). This weapon is anachronistic due to the movie taking place in 1858, although they could be intended to be stand-ins for the [[Volcanic Repeater]] rifles which were the immediate predecessor to the Henry rifle.
[[File:Henry.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Henry 1860 brass-frame - .44 Rimfire (RF).]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 4.jpg|thumb|601px|none|A steel framed [[Henry 1860]] rifle can be seen being used by Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]).]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 6.jpg|thumb|601px|none|The henchman on the far right carries the Henry rifle.]]

==Enfield Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine==
Several henchmen are seen with [[Enfield Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine]]s.
[[File:Enfield 1856 Cavalry Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Enfield Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine - .577 caliber]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 6.jpg|thumb|601px|none|The henchman on the near left carries the Enfield Carbine.]]

== Remington 1858 ("Cattleman's Carbine") ==
We see Django armed with a [[Remington_1858_New_Army#Remington_1858_.28.22Cattleman.27s_Carbine.22.29|Remington 1858 New Army "Cattleman's Carbine"]] while on horseback.
[[Image:RemCattlemansCarbine58.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 1858 "Cattleman's Carbine" - .44 caliber.]]
[[File:Django-rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django rides with his Remington 1858 "Cattleman's Carbine".]]
[[File:Django-rifle-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django holding his Carbine.]]

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[[Category:Quentin Tarantino]]

Django Unchained

2013-01-06T09:44:40Z

Brasco: Henry 1860-Possible volcanic repeaters context

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[[File:Django Unchained Teaser Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Django Unchained'' (2012)]]

'''''Django Unchained''''' is a 2012 "Southern" written and directed by [[Quentin Tarantino]]. The film stars [[Jamie Foxx]] as Django, an acquired slave who is partnered with a bounty hunter named Dr. King Shultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) to track down and eliminate the notorious Bittle Brothers of whom Shultz has no knowledge of appearance. If the brothers are brought to justice, Shultz promises to aid Django in his quest to find the man who has enslaved his wife and rescue her from his clutches. The cast includes [[Leonardo DiCaprio]], [[Don Johnson]], [[Walton Goggins]], and [[Samuel L. Jackson]]. The film's name is a homage to the 1966 Italian Western ''[[Django]]'' that starred [[Franco Nero]] (who also has a role in this film).

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Django Unchained:'''''

__TOC__ 
= Pistols =
== Cobra "Big Bore" Derringer ==
Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) and Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) use [[Cobra Derringer|Cobra "Big Bore" Derringers]] as their secondary weapons. They are attached to drawer slides that allow for quick pistol drawing. They are both polished steel with pearl grips which means they are duplicates or in fact the same pistol. This weapon is anachronistic because the movie took place in 1858.
[[File:Cobra Big Bore Derringer Chrome.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Cobra CB38 Big Bore Derringer, chrome finish - .38 Special]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 1.jpg|thumb|602px|none|A close up shot of the pistol. The ventilated rib identifies it as a modern Cobra replica.]]
[[Image:Django.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) wields his Derringer.]]
[[Image:Django_unchained.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A production image shows Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) firing his Derringer.]]

==Remington 1858 New Army==
Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) uses what appears to be a [[Remington 1858 New Army]]. We also see Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) dual wield revolvers, one of which is a [[Remington 1858 New Army]].
[[File:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington 1858 New Army - .44 caliber]]
[[File:Django-navy.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) draws his [[Remington 1858 New Army]].]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 5.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]) fires his [[Remington 1858 New Army]].]]
[[File:Django-revolver-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right hand and a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand. Note the way the white wall appears to be covered in some unidentified black substance. This is an edit done for movie trailers to airbrush out blood.]]
[[File:Django-revolver-4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right hand and a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand.]]

==Colt 1851 Navy==
Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) dual wields a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] and a [[Remington 1858 New Army]].
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1851 Navy - .36 caliber.]]
[[File:Django-revolver-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand and a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right..]]
[[File:Django-revolver-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) with a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] in his left hand and a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in his right.]]

= Shotguns =
==Double Barrelled Muzzle-loading Shotgun==
A double barrelled muzzle loading shotgun is used by a slaver ([[James Remar]]).
[[File:Django unchained trailer 8.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

= Rifles =
==Sharps Rifle==
A variant of the [[Sharps Rifle]] is used by Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]).
[[File:Sharps1874cavalarycarbine.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine - .45-70 caliber]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 2.jpg|thumb|602px|none|Django ([[Jamie Foxx]]) takes aim with the Sharps.]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 3.jpg|thumb|602px|none|Closeup of Django with the Sharps.]]

==Henry 1860==
A steel framed [[Henry 1860]] rifle can be seen being used by henchmen and Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]). This weapon in anachronistic because the movie takes place in 1858, although they could be intended to be stand-ins for the [[Volcanic Repeater]]s which were the immediate predecessor to the Henry rifle.
[[File:Henry.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Henry 1860 brass-frame - .44 Rimfire (RF).]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 4.jpg|thumb|601px|none|A steel framed [[Henry 1860]] rifle can be seen being used by Dr. King Schultz ([[Christoph Waltz]]).]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 6.jpg|thumb|601px|none|The henchman on the far right carries the Henry rifle.]]

==Enfield Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine==
Several henchmen are seen with [[Enfield Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine]]s.
[[File:Enfield 1856 Cavalry Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Enfield Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine - .577 caliber]]
[[File:Django unchained trailer 6.jpg|thumb|601px|none|The henchman on the near left carries the Enfield Carbine.]]

== Remington 1858 ("Cattleman's Carbine") ==
We see Django armed with a [[Remington_1858_New_Army#Remington_1858_.28.22Cattleman.27s_Carbine.22.29|Remington 1858 New Army "Cattleman's Carbine"]] while on horseback.
[[Image:RemCattlemansCarbine58.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 1858 "Cattleman's Carbine" - .44 caliber.]]
[[File:Django-rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django rides with his Remington 1858 "Cattleman's Carbine".]]
[[File:Django-rifle-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Django holding his Carbine.]]

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[[Category:Western]]
[[Category:Quentin Tarantino]]

Talk:Django Unchained

2013-01-03T13:07:21Z

Brasco: time period

Right, before i get any shit from anyone the advertisements are in the middle fo the page next to the images. If anyone else can see this i do not know how to stop this or fix it.

--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 21:55, 7 June 2012 (CDT)

==Time period?==
Why are there slaves in the WEST? The topography in the beginning of the trailer looks like the western states. I assume that all the guns are cap & Ball guns. I noticed that James Remar's shotgun is a percussion cap double barreled (The ram road is visible), not a cartridge gun, and Dr Schulz's gun when he takes down the slavers looks to be a Remington 1858. If Django's wife is a slave, then this cannot take place AFTER the end of the Civil War. Slavery was abolished in 1865. Most western guns appear between 1866-1889. Just musing. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:Before we get too much into the details, this is the same guy that had Adolf Hitler getting gunned down in a French movie theater in 1944. So, yeah... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:42, 8 June 2012 (CDT)
::Didn't you know. That was Hitler's CLONE that kept on running the war after 1944 and died in the bunker in 1945 ;) The clone needed the extra time to build the massive military base on the moon........ [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Hi
I've edited the Film's description to show; in the Director's own words that the film is a "Southern" due to the location and content of the film. --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 14:44, 8 June 2012 (CDT)

I assume the rifle Jamie Foxx uses is a Sharps Carbine rifle. and i think shultz has a henry rifle when he guns down riders in the forest.

--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 14:49, 8 June 2012 (CDT)
::Wasn't the Spencer the only cartridge gun used in any sort of numbers during the actual war? :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Anyone surprised at the lack of anachronistic weapons so far? This being a tarrantino film and a tribute to the spaghetti western films i expected a lot of post civil war era/1870's type guns popping up despite the time frame that this takes place in. Yet it seems most of the guns are time period appropriate. --[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] 9 June 2012 (CDT)

When I watched the movie in theaters, at some point, one of Candieland's henchmen holds a Stainless 1858 New Army Sheriff to Django's head. Stainless firearms and 1858 remingtons with 5.5" barrels were never made during the 1800s... someone should point that out, I don't have the screens --[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] ([[User talk:Geckcgt|talk]]) 00:47, 1 January 2013 (EST)

At the beginning, it did state the year is 1858, 2 years before the Civil War. So far I've seen one 2 guns that are anachronistic, the Derringers and the Henry rifles [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 01:15, 1 January 2013 (EST)
:It's possible the lever guns could actually be (or intended to be) volcanic lever guns which would be time period appropriate? http://www.winchestercollector.org/images/guns/volcanic.jpg --[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 08:07, 3 January 2013 (EST)

== New trailer and new guns ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgPAQnQAcpk Trailer #2]

Haven't had a chance to go through it yet. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 18:08, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

:Think I saw a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] (dual wielded by Django with his Remington 1858) and a [[Remington_1858_New_Army#Remington_1858_.28.22Cattleman.27s_Carbine.22.29|Remington 1858 Cattleman's Carbine]] (held by Django during the "Django" spelling, and I think might have been held earlier by someone on horseback). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:32, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

I believe you're right. New screenshots below. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 20:39, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

[[File:Django-henry.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-holstered.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-navy.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-navy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-revolver-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-revolver-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-rifle-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-rifles.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-sharps.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:Django-sharps-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Red Dead Redemption

2012-12-23T13:17:12Z

Brasco:

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2012-12-23T13:12:57Z

Brasco: Should not be listed as a Browning

Holy patron saint of awesome there's a fucking C96 in the game. I dont care about historical innacuracies, Im glad they finally put this gun in another game. Plus I've been wanting to see it in another western setting since Joe Kidd. Plus I can get all...Lawrence of arabia-y...anyone agree?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Its not inaccurate, the game takes place in 1908.

Wrong the game takes place in 1911. First C96 was released in 1899

And now I know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well played sir.

Il Grande Silenzio (aka The Great Silence) also features C96 used by the main character in deadly effect. Brilliant movie, you should see it.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Now, if somebody would just make a game where I could use a webley other than Bioshock/Darksector. And a mauser. AT THE SAME TIME WOAH!!!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 18:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
==This page's format==
Nice work so far. I look forward to seeing the page's creators fix the minor page layout errors. i.e. don't put a LINK to the gun page. Write an original paragraph about who uses the gun and how it appears in the game and hyperlink the gun NAME to the gun page. Remember to check the rules & standards, the titles in the sections are never hyperlinked, only the name of the gun in the written section describing the usage in the game. Also every image should have THUMB in the wiki line with a size designator and the IMFDB page standard descriptors in the gun image and the screenshot. Any insightful summaries about the game and it's back story would also be nice. good job. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on adding details about each weapon until after the game is released, and more info is available, also, this is my first try at editing a wiki. (Wematanye)

How come there's no 1887 shotguns. They'd make more sense than an Auto-5 or a pump-action. Browing designed the lever-action specifically for frontiersmen.
(Hughjefender)

== Mannlicher M95 or Carcano 38? ==

The rifle which is currently called the "Mannlicher 1895" seems to be rather a Carcano 38 which can be seen at the front barrel band. Lookt it up on surplusrifle or google. The Austrian Mannlicher 95 has a different band. Furthermore, but I am not 100% sure about this, the Austrians did not shorten the M95s before WWI. So no matter which rifle it is it is anachronistic in all cases, but it really looks like a Carcano 38.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]]

Hi it's me again. I just saw that the rifle was positively identified as a Carcano by a recently added screenshot, showing the characteristic magazine which distinguishes the Italian Mannlicher Carcano from the Austrian Steyr Mannlicher M95. Thus the Mannlicher 95 could be removed from the "Needs positive Identification" section.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]] 19 April 2010

==Colt M1911==
:I was on the Red Dead Redemption wiki the other day and the good ole 1911 was listed as a usable weapon-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well the game is set in 1911 (From what I've been told) so could it possible? [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 09:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The game is actually set in 1908 from what I've heard. Chris_Hun7er 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The red dead wiki has a number of weapons that are unconfirmed. They are either just hopeful or mistaken, confusing the Bordchart for a Luger and the Colt 1903/1908 for a 1911
I have also heard it being set in 1911 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? all official statements I have heard say 1908.

I couldn't specifically tell you, but I believe it was from a few gaming sites (Games Radar, IGN, Game Informer etc.) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I had heard the game took place in 1908, which wouldn't make the 1911 appropriate...however who's to say all of the games events take place in the year 1908...esspecially since they talk about the mexican revolution being apart of the game which happened in 1911

:Well it would make the 1911 very inappropriate actually. And the game doesn't actually contain the revolution proper, but rather the events leading up to the revolution. That being said I highly doubt the 1911 would be in the same game when the 1903/1908 is already confirmed. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I'se reading the Playstation Store description of the game and it says that the game takes place in 1911.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.189.181|74.177.189.181]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it goes from 1908 to 1911? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well we'll all find out tomorrow children. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official, no 1911, no luger, no colt walker, no colt navy, no springfield 1903, no winchester 1887, or anything else people have claimed to see in the game or heard from someone. All small arms have already been identified. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, the games does take place in 1911, it's on the back of the box [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

But the map in the actual game says 1910 on it.

Yeah, but that could just mean you have a year old map.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.12|74.177.136.12]] 20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely set in 1911. If you look at (SPOILERS)John's tombstone, you'll see he died in 1911. (END SPOILERS) However, it is possible that the game starts in 1910, but transitions to 1911 at some point. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The game goes from 1908-1914. It starts in 1908, John dies in 1911, and then you start playing as Jack in 1914.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I would like to point out, as you have seem to forgotten, that the 1911 pistol was designed and built before 1911. It was entered into trials in 1910, so it did exist before it was adopted as the M1911 by the army. That being said, unless john Marston or a gun dealer was close friends with either John M. Browning or someone involved in testing and approving the gun, it would have been extremely unlikely that he would posses the firearm. [[Special:Contributions/24.30.51.144|24.30.51.144]] 20:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Merged Carcano Rifle ==
Just a heads up, I moved the image in "Carcano Rifle Scoped" to "Carcano Rifle" and deleted the "Carcano Rifle Scoped" section. Chris_Hun7er 5:50, 10 May 2010

== Krag/body ==

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual rifle, but does the second Krag-Jorgensen screen shot show a naked person hanging from the ceiling?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It certainly does. And according to some early reviews there is much worse to be found in the game. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean in terms of brutality or of nudity?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Both from the sound of it[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Hurrah for gratuitous violence!-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if that's the scene I believe it is, if you inspect the dead body after the cutscene you can see that his genitals have been cut off. Lovely. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt New Service/Colt New Army ==

has it been positively identified yet?

==Changed the protection level on this page==
Now you must log in as a user to edit. It keeps all the anonymous kids from undoing all your hard work :) MPM2008 (a mod)

==Um glock?==

why is there a pic of an animated glock on page?
:Anonymous User [[Special:Contributions/72.82.219.161|72.82.219.161]] put it on the page, perhaps not realizing that Example.jpg linked to a different image. ANYWAY, that's one reason why I BLOCKED anonymous users from editing this page. Dumb stuff like that. It has been fixed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thoughts?==
So Now that RDR has hit the streets, what do you guys think of it? I bought it thinking it would be fun, but nothing more than GTA IV in the West. Boy was I ever wrong! This has so much more to offer, and is one of the best games to come out in recent years. The combat is exciting and fun, the graphics are stunning, the story is awesome, and the sound effects are pure western! Just picking up an old Krag or SAA and capping some Mexican rebels or gang members if a hoot. The Multiplayer will keep you playing after the epic story is completed, and I think this is a game everybody should pick up. Besides minor glitches, it's perfect, 10 out of 10![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The funny part is that the glitches actually added to the fun (for me at least). Seeing flying deer or riding an invisible horse is simply gold [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I love the game. Granted, the story isn't the greatest, but it's still an amazing game, especially in terms of gameplay. If they made a sequel, I would certainly buy it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Maxim==
According to rockstar social club (lists in-depth analysis of kills and such) its labeled as a Browning, which is quite possible considering that a water cooled m1919 did exist, and it looked similar. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Actually it's a Browning M1917, my bad. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 22:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
anyone going to change it?[[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either way, it's anachronistic, since the game is set in 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Who changed it back? Most of the game is anachronistic. It's a Browning not a Maxim...[[Special:Contributions/98.64.227.225|98.64.227.225]]
:::Just because the the MG in the game has a pistol grip doesn't necessarily make it a Browning. Some Maxims had pistol grips, such as this 1895 model [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maxim_machine_gun_Megapixie.jpg]. Looking at screenshots of the in-game MG, the grip appears to more closely resemble the Maxim model, primarily because it seems to have a trigger guard. Besides this, the MG in RDR has no bolt handle on the right side as it should if it was a Browning, and instead the ammo feeds from the right side as it would on a Maxim. I think the notation on the page from the anonymous poster insisting it be called a Browning should be removed. The fact is, despite what Rockstar calls the gun in RDR, it has more features of a Maxim than a Browning--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 03:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
==Quigley==

Who is John Quigley?
Do you perhaps mean Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under or is that a different person? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probably the name Quigley is a small cameo. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, humazie3 is right, it is actually supposed to be Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under. The character Quigley uses a Sharps rifle. --[[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Mauser C96 ==

The Mauser C96 in-game is NOT fully automatic, just semi (as the "Savvy merchant caption" picture already states). Please change that. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.141.99|85.3.141.99]] 17:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:In single player it's fully automatic. [[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

In Multiplayer it is still full-auto, its just REALLY slow [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The pistol isn't anachronistic, either, considering that the game is set in 1911 and the first C96 was released in 1899.

The pistol, as in the M712 SchnellFeuer , which was first designed in 1932, 21 years after the events of the game (If you fellas read the back of the game, it says the year is 1911) is COMPLETELY anachronistic. The videogame gun, named the C96, correct was created well before hand, but the guns fully automatic function and large ammo capability dictate it as the M712 SchnellFeuer. [GOOBER Edit.]

== Golden Guns ==

If any of youse guys have golden guns, screencap them and upload them. I only have the Borchart and the New Service. I'll get the borchart up later today [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== High Power Pistol ==

Just read on another site. They claim that the high power is actually the FN 1903 NOT the Colt 1903. Kinda makes sense figure I'll leave it up to someone else to make sure.

Its definatly the FN 1903, Look at the slide length. I'm no good at this so can someone else please change it for me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== LeMat loading ==

Hold up, if the LeMat is not a break-top revolver, how does it load?
: It's a percussion revolver, so it loads by packing the front of the cylinders. Look at the frame by frame shots of a LeMat being loaded in this film: [[The Quick and the Dead]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::There were actually pinfire and centerfire versions that loaded via gate like a Colt SAA. There's a picture of the centerfire version uploaded on this site. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Needs Positive Identification==

===Unknown Revolver===

I noticed a nickel finished revolver on one screencap, that could be the Schofield but looks somewhat different:
[http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1738/reddeadredemptionplayst.jpg]
Any ideas?

It could be the Colt New Service swing out revolver with a nickel finish

That's just the way the enemy guns look, makes it easier to spot when you go to pick up ammunition. They make the Winchesters look like '66 "Yellow Boys" because of that effect. -Cole Thorton

Yeah, Cole is right. It looks like it has a nickel finish, but all enemy guns look that way. Hell, the SAA looks chromed half the time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== heh ==

If you read closely, you'll find out that the scope reticle on the carcano is anarchist;
; "An ''anarchistic'' feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, as most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs"

== Krags & Henrys instead of Mondragons? ==

The game is awesome but why would the Mexican Army be using Krag rifles and Henrys when they already adopted the Mondragon M1908 that is semi-automatic and fires the 7x57mm Mauser Rounds? It just seems strange to have these rifles being used when a more modern one is available.

Eh, it's what Rockstar did, they probably either didn't know or didn't care. Can't really blame them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 04:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgot about the Mondragons that were around at the time. But as stated above, Rockstar most likely didn't do their research, I mean they made the C96 a full auto handgun and got that FN pistol instead of a 1911 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, just these little inaccuracies seem to make a difference, fire rate and power for instance :)-CZAR-

Even though the Mondragon was officially adopted as the standard rifle, there weren't enough issued to equip the entire Mexican Army. A more accurate choice would have been a bolt-action Mauser. I thought it bizarre that the game includes a Carcano and a rifle based on the Krag instead of a Mauser or Springfield. As for semi-autos included in the game, a Mondragon would be cool, but in my opinion there should have been a Remington Model 8 or Winchester 1907. Since the Browning shotgun was included, I thought for sure there would be a semi-auto rifle as well. No luck, but maybe in the next game? Still, the weapons choices for RDR prove to me that a reasonable amount of research was done. If Treyarch made this game it would full of Steyr AUGS and SPAS-12s :)--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 18:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the two games seem closer than it seem, the mission in mexico it's a black ops, seriously yeah. I don't know who first had the idea but since there was a Nico Bellic lookalike in Modern warfare, and and Billy Grey lookalike in Black Ops, they certainly stole that from an other Rockstar's production, and my first thought about the Hipower was "oh maybe a 1911 prototype" (the game could have got a colt 1911, but the map says 1910 so maybe it takes place in 1910 at the beggining before passing at 1911).

But the Black ops are portrayed very differently, in Black Ops it's Cia agents with custom and anachronistic gun(they could use the time machine , to I dont know, change the vietnam to win , they picked up new weapons for relose again), Red dead the governement threats someone, and gets him to Mexico, with a mission about one of his friend -inofficially dispose of the local dictator- and he has to find weapons and help by himself.

And talking about Vietnam war, treyarch forgot the ride of Walkyrie for the chopper scene why? At least if they put Never gonna give you up that's could be cool (anachronistic but cool), but none of the above. At least Blizzard's staff saw Apocalypse now by quoting "I like Napalm smell in the morning" (and yes they work independantly from Activision so Activision Blizzard logo has no sense)
--[[User:Comateman|comateman]] 19:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think its safe to say that Rockstar didn't take the time to do ANY research on the weapons of the time, but i will give them credit for the FN 1903, as strange as it is when a 1911 could have been used. If anyones heard about the L.A. Noire game i hope that the weapons won't be a distraction to the storyline....

:I'm sorry, but it's impossible that they didn't do any research. How could have they ended up putting a pistol in the game such as the Borchardt if they hadn't researched it? It's not exactly a well known design among people who know nothing of the history of firearms. It's more likely they researched the firearms, but made some poor choices as to what to include in the game. I'm not sure why so many people are objecting to the FN 1903 being in the game. It's true it should have been the Colt 1903 version, but this type of pistol was certainly a popular design and isn't out of place in this time period, and it's one of the guns that I was hoping to see in RDR. Many people are clamoring for a 1911, but the game starts in 1910 before it even existed. Although the game ends after 1911(i'm not sure as I haven't played it yet), so I suppose it could have been included. Yet, if you're so interested in being acccurate then the 1911 shouldn't be in RDR as it was so new that only the U.S. Army would have any. Plus the 1911 has been in about a million games. How many times has a colt or FN 1903 appeared in a game? The bolt action rifle was one thing that bothered me the most about RDR--no Mauser or M1903, but a Carcano and Krag-like rifle?!?! So which of the other weapons show Rockstar didn't do any research? I think the majority are fine, but of course it could have been better. What should have been included? If you think this selection of weapons isn't historically accurate, then don't look at the COD: Black Ops page, you'll probably have a coronary-- I know I almost did.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with the FN 1903 in the game, i just dispute its title of "High Power Pistol". And as for the Krag, I thought it was an okay choice though I would have loved a Mauser. My biggest problem was the Trap Door Springfield having four shots. I also think the game should have had a muzzle loading rifle and a true percussion revolver. A colt revolving rifle would have fit as well. The game takes place in 1911, the map is just a year old. It ain't to hard to believe that a former outlaw would bother to buy a new map since he was deciding to settle down.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.49.222|184.35.49.222]] 22:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Game designers are out to make a fun, cool game that makes sense to people with little idea of how real firearms work, not to achieve perfect historical accuracy. Weapons like the Borchardt and Krag-Jorgensen look different from "normal" guns, especially in the Old West environment. As for having unrealistic power or features, it's a way to make the game more interesting. The 1903 is a recognizable modern design that only appears at the end of the game, when powerful replacements for your previous guns appear. Making the C96 a machine pistol sets it apart from the rest of the guns and provides a portable automatic weapon. The Springfield is a hell of a lot more useful with an internal magazine instead of as a single-shot, as the buffalo rifle is already in the game and would otherwise be roughly the same. The fact that they even included such unusual weapons as the Borchardt indicates that they definitely did their homework, but you need to make concessions for fun and making sense. We'd all love to see every setting get its own extremely accurate depiction and it could probably be plenty of fun, but it's not really something for the general public that would make millions in sales. Focus on the story and characters, not making sure the gun nuts won't whine. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:53, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

== I Don't Agree with Listing the Machine Gun as a Browning M1917 ==

I don't think the machine gun can definitively be called a Browning. The whole receiver is wrong; it feeds from the right side and there is no bolt handle, which are features of a Maxim. The pistol grip also looks more like what is found on the 1895 light weight Maxim than the grip of a Browning. See what I wrote above for a more detailed explanation. At best this should be listed as a Maxim/Browning hybrid.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 13:24, 26 February 2012 (CST)
:I added a mention of the gun despite being listed as a browning indeed sharing some characteristics with the maxim gun. [[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 08:12, 23 December 2012 (EST)

==20 gauge Browning A5?==

I guess it's a bit late now to mention it, but just recently I played through the game using the Browning A5 and I noticed that it's a lot less powerful than the other shotguns. Now I don't know if it was patched or if it was always that way but I'm wondering for balance reasons whether R* intentionally made it a 20 gauge version of the A5. What do you guys think?

:I think it's just less powerful for balance issues, because having a semi auto shotgun that can fire all five rounds in less than three seconds that's just as powerful as the others isn't really a fair deal, especially online. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 19:48, 22 August 2012 (CDT)

Red Dead Redemption

2012-12-23T13:09:06Z

Brasco: Browning M1917-Maxim Gun side note

Talk:Django Unchained

2012-06-09T09:56:41Z

Brasco: time period

Hell on Wheels

2011-11-27T06:59:49Z

Brasco: removed unsourced snarky comments

'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver|Griswold & Gunnison revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his Griswold & Gunnison after mudering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]]

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison.
[[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

[[Category:Television]]

Talk:AA-12

2011-05-14T14:10:42Z

Brasco:

== Designed 1972? ==

Has this only been developed recently cuz it's appearing in some new movies.

The original version (The first picture on the page) was developed 1972, but the ones that are usually used in movies (Second picture) was only made available in 2005. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Yup the AA-12 was origionally designed in 1972. Aside from a couple of rather buggy prototypes it was stuck is development hell for a few decades before MPS got ahold of the patents for the design. They fed the design into a modern computer 3D drafting program and worked well over 200 design flaws out of the weapon and you get the modern AA-12.

:Actually, the current version of the AA-12 (the one that you see regularly in movies) is a slightly modified derivative of the AA-12 that was introduced in the mid-1980s (I have the Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons from 1986, and they test-fired an AA-12 that looks almost identical). The AA-12 is really an old design; I find it strange that it took so long for the AA-12 to become such a trendy weapon to have in movies and FPS games. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::Was it that episode of FutureWeapons that brought it all this attention? I remember seeing that episode, having never heard of the AA-12 before, and then suddenly, it was everywhere. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

- Well, the S&W Model 29 was around for years before Dirty Harry was made, but it wasn't neat or trendy or whatever 'til DH was released. Some guns are neat and all that right away but I guess other ones just take time to be cool and stuff. Bah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Who exactly manufactures this? Have been looking on the net for an official website but, so far, cannot find jack. Anyone? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 10:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

:Atchisson, I think. At least they used to. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]]

== It sure ain't pretty ==

I know I know it's a combat/tactical shotgun. But god bless it's ugly. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:40, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:Truly though have any small arms in the last 50-60 years have any aesthetic value? Compare the nice wooden stock and oiled leather sling of the M1 Garand to the plastic and nylon of the M-16. Exigencies of war I suppose.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:10, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

I guess so. I own a couple Glocks and I can't deny they work. But I collect old blue steel revolvers with nice wooden grips. Okay and to be honest I take the wood grips off when I go to the range and replace them with black rubber grips. But still.....--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:06, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

::50-60 years includes the VSS Vintorez, and there are wood-furnished FALs out there. I think the main point is that the USAS-12 exists and looks a lot less like the horrible offspring of a confused shotgun and a paintball gun. That said, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Halting_and_Stimulation_Response_rifle there are much, much stupider designs out there]. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:27, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
Well from what I've heard about the "PHSER", they still are trying to make it smaller and to actually work like a Phaser from Star Trek. Would be cool if that even happened. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:40, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:From what I've heard about it, it's a low-power laser dazzler that only blinds temporarily, a bit like an aimable flashbang. Strikes me as one of those things that sounds good in "Future Soldier" presentations but would be hideously impractical in actual use, like those daft micro-missiles from the new Ghost Recon game. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:22, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
The idea is nice. The objective of Law Enforcement is not to shoot on sight of a criminals. It is to arrest him so that the full extent of the law can happen. It would be a nice tool to have a phaser from Star Trek and set to stun. It would reduce accidental death by gun to almost nothing unless you set yours to kill. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 10:25, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

==Full Auto pretty useless==
Has anyone noticed how 'slow' the full auto rate of fire is? Could be the springs, but every LIVE AA-12 I've seen fired, well hell, I can out fire the shotgun in semi auto (granted I have a really fast trigger finger). The USAS-12 has a faster rate of fire (at least in real life). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:16, 3 May 2011 (CDT)

I think the point of full-auto is not solely to make it fire as fast as possible but to alleviate the need to having to press the trigger multiple times. While you're putting effort into firing something as fast as possible in auto-mode you just have to hold down the trigger once and all is taken care of. [[User:Brasco|Brasco]] 09:09, 14 May 2011 (CDT)

Talk:AA-12

2011-05-14T14:09:51Z

Brasco: full auto

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2011-01-05T06:24:51Z

Brasco:

Holy patron saint of awesome there's a fucking C96 in the game. I dont care about historical innacuracies, Im glad they finally put this gun in another game. Plus I've been wanting to see it in another western setting since Joe Kidd. Plus I can get all...Lawrence of arabia-y...anyone agree?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Its not inaccurate, the game takes place in 1908.

Wrong the game takes place in 1911. First C96 was released in 1899

And now I know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well played sir.

Il Grande Silenzio (aka The Great Silence) also features C96 used by the main character in deadly effect. Brilliant movie, you should see it.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Now, if somebody would just make a game where I could use a webley other than Bioshock/Darksector. And a mauser. AT THE SAME TIME WOAH!!!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 18:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
==This page's format==
Nice work so far. I look forward to seeing the page's creators fix the minor page layout errors. i.e. don't put a LINK to the gun page. Write an original paragraph about who uses the gun and how it appears in the game and hyperlink the gun NAME to the gun page. Remember to check the rules & standards, the titles in the sections are never hyperlinked, only the name of the gun in the written section describing the usage in the game. Also every image should have THUMB in the wiki line with a size designator and the IMFDB page standard descriptors in the gun image and the screenshot. Any insightful summaries about the game and it's back story would also be nice. good job. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on adding details about each weapon until after the game is released, and more info is available, also, this is my first try at editing a wiki. (Wematanye)

How come there's no 1887 shotguns. They'd make more sense than an Auto-5 or a pump-action. Browing designed the lever-action specifically for frontiersmen.
(Hughjefender)

== Mannlicher M95 or Carcano 38? ==

The rifle which is currently called the "Mannlicher 1895" seems to be rather a Carcano 38 which can be seen at the front barrel band. Lookt it up on surplusrifle or google. The Austrian Mannlicher 95 has a different band. Furthermore, but I am not 100% sure about this, the Austrians did not shorten the M95s before WWI. So no matter which rifle it is it is anachronistic in all cases, but it really looks like a Carcano 38.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]]

Hi it's me again. I just saw that the rifle was positively identified as a Carcano by a recently added screenshot, showing the characteristic magazine which distinguishes the Italian Mannlicher Carcano from the Austrian Steyr Mannlicher M95. Thus the Mannlicher 95 could be removed from the "Needs positive Identification" section.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]] 19 April 2010

==Colt M1911==
:I was on the Red Dead Redemption wiki the other day and the good ole 1911 was listed as a usable weapon-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well the game is set in 1911 (From what I've been told) so could it possible? [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 09:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The game is actually set in 1908 from what I've heard. Chris_Hun7er 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The red dead wiki has a number of weapons that are unconfirmed. They are either just hopeful or mistaken, confusing the Bordchart for a Luger and the Colt 1903/1908 for a 1911
I have also heard it being set in 1911 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? all official statements I have heard say 1908.

I couldn't specifically tell you, but I believe it was from a few gaming sites (Games Radar, IGN, Game Informer etc.) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I had heard the game took place in 1908, which wouldn't make the 1911 appropriate...however who's to say all of the games events take place in the year 1908...esspecially since they talk about the mexican revolution being apart of the game which happened in 1911

:Well it would make the 1911 very inappropriate actually. And the game doesn't actually contain the revolution proper, but rather the events leading up to the revolution. That being said I highly doubt the 1911 would be in the same game when the 1903/1908 is already confirmed. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I'se reading the Playstation Store description of the game and it says that the game takes place in 1911.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.189.181|74.177.189.181]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it goes from 1908 to 1911? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well we'll all find out tomorrow children. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official, no 1911, no luger, no colt walker, no colt navy, no springfield 1903, no winchester 1887, or anything else people have claimed to see in the game or heard from someone. All small arms have already been identified. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, the games does take place in 1911, it's on the back of the box [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

But the map in the actual game says 1910 on it.

Yeah, but that could just mean you have a year old map.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.12|74.177.136.12]] 20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely set in 1911. If you look at (SPOILERS)John's tombstone, you'll see he died in 1911. (END SPOILERS) However, it is possible that the game starts in 1910, but transitions to 1911 at some point. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The game goes from 1908-1914. It starts in 1908, John dies in 1911, and then you start playing as Jack in 1914.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Merged Carcano Rifle ==
Just a heads up, I moved the image in "Carcano Rifle Scoped" to "Carcano Rifle" and deleted the "Carcano Rifle Scoped" section. Chris_Hun7er 5:50, 10 May 2010

== Krag/body ==

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual rifle, but does the second Krag-Jorgensen screen shot show a naked person hanging from the ceiling?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It certainly does. And according to some early reviews there is much worse to be found in the game. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean in terms of brutality or of nudity?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Both from the sound of it[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Hurrah for gratuitous violence!-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if that's the scene I believe it is, if you inspect the dead body after the cutscene you can see that his genitals have been cut off. Lovely. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt New Service/Colt New Army ==

has it been positively identified yet?

==Changed the protection level on this page==
Now you must log in as a user to edit. It keeps all the anonymous kids from undoing all your hard work :) MPM2008 (a mod)

==Um glock?==

why is there a pic of an animated glock on page?
:Anonymous User [[Special:Contributions/72.82.219.161|72.82.219.161]] put it on the page, perhaps not realizing that Example.jpg linked to a different image. ANYWAY, that's one reason why I BLOCKED anonymous users from editing this page. Dumb stuff like that. It has been fixed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thoughts?==
So Now that RDR has hit the streets, what do you guys think of it? I bought it thinking it would be fun, but nothing more than GTA IV in the West. Boy was I ever wrong! This has so much more to offer, and is one of the best games to come out in recent years. The combat is exciting and fun, the graphics are stunning, the story is awesome, and the sound effects are pure western! Just picking up an old Krag or SAA and capping some Mexican rebels or gang members if a hoot. The Multiplayer will keep you playing after the epic story is completed, and I think this is a game everybody should pick up. Besides minor glitches, it's perfect, 10 out of 10![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The funny part is that the glitches actually added to the fun (for me at least). Seeing flying deer or riding an invisible horse is simply gold [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I love the game. Granted, the story isn't the greatest, but it's still an amazing game, especially in terms of gameplay. If they made a sequel, I would certainly buy it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Maxim==
According to rockstar social club (lists in-depth analysis of kills and such) its labeled as a Browning, which is quite possible considering that a water cooled m1919 did exist, and it looked similar. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Actually it's a Browning M1917, my bad. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 22:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
anyone going to change it?[[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either way, it's anachronistic, since the game is set in 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Who changed it back? Most of the game is anachronistic. It's a Browning not a Maxim...[[Special:Contributions/98.64.227.225|98.64.227.225]]

==Quigley==

Who is John Quigley?
Do you perhaps mean Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under or is that a different person? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probably the name Quigley is a small cameo. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, humazie3 is right, it is actually supposed to be Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under. The character Quigley uses a Sharps rifle. --[[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Mauser C96 ==

The Mauser C96 in-game is NOT fully automatic, just semi (as the "Savvy merchant caption" picture already states). Please change that. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.141.99|85.3.141.99]] 17:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:In single player it's fully automatic. [[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

In Multiplayer it is still full-auto, its just REALLY slow [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The pistol isn't anachronistic, either, considering that the game is set in 1911 and the first C96 was released in 1899.

== Golden Guns ==

If any of youse guys have golden guns, screencap them and upload them. I only have the Borchart and the New Service. I'll get the borchart up later today [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== High Power Pistol ==

Just read on another site. They claim that the high power is actually the FN 1903 NOT the Colt 1903. Kinda makes sense figure I'll leave it up to someone else to make sure.

Its definatly the FN 1903, Look at the slide lenght. I'm no good at this so can someone else please change it for me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== LeMat loading ==

Hold up, if the LeMat is not a break-top revolver, how does it load?
: It's a percussion revolver, so it loads by packing the front of the cylinders. Look at the frame by frame shots of a LeMat being loaded in this film: [[The Quick and the Dead]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::There were actually pinfire and centerfire versions that loaded via gate like a Colt SAA. There's a picture of the centerfire version uploaded on this site. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Needs Positive Identification==

===Unknown Revolver===

I noticed a nickel finished revolver on one screencap, that could be the Schofield but looks somewhat different:
[http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1738/reddeadredemptionplayst.jpg]
Any ideas?

It could be the Colt New Service swing out revolver with a nickel finish

That's just the way the enemy guns look, makes it easier to spot when you go to pick up ammunition. They make the Winchesters look like '66 "Yellow Boys" because of that effect. -Cole Thorton

Yeah, Cole is right. It looks like it has a nickel finish, but all enemy guns look that way. Hell, the SAA looks chromed half the time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== heh ==

If you read closely, you'll find out that the scope reticle on the carcano is anarchist;
; "An ''anarchistic'' feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, as most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs"

== Krags & Henrys instead of Mondragons? ==

The game is awesome but why would the Mexican Army be using Krag rifles and Henrys when they already adopted the Mondragon M1908 that is semi-automatic and fires the 7x57mm Mauser Rounds? It just seems strange to have these rifles being used when a more modern one is available.

Eh, it's what Rockstar did, they probably either didn't know or didn't care. Can't really blame them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 04:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgot about the Mondragons that were around at the time. But as stated above, Rockstar most likely didn't do their research, I mean they made the C96 a full auto handgun and got that FN pistol instead of a 1911 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, just these little inaccuracies seem to make a difference, fire rate and power for instance :)-CZAR-

Even though the Mondragon was officially adopted as the standard rifle, there weren't enough issued to equip the entire Mexican Army. A more accurate choice would have been a bolt-action Mauser. I thought it bizarre that the game includes a Carcano and a rifle based on the Krag instead of a Mauser or Springfield. As for semi-autos included in the game, a Mondragon would be cool, but in my opinion there should have been a Remington Model 8 or Winchester 1907. Since the Browning shotgun was included, I thought for sure there would be a semi-auto rifle as well. No luck, but maybe in the next game? Still, the weapons choices for RDR prove to me that a reasonable amount of research was done. If Treyarch made this game it would full of Steyr AUGS and SPAS-12s :)--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 18:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the two games seem closer than it seem, the mission in mexico it's a black ops, seriously yeah. I don't know who first had the idea but since there was a Nico Bellic lookalike in Modern warfare, and and Billy Grey lookalike in Black Ops, they certainly stole that from an other Rockstar's production, and my first thought about the Hipower was "oh maybe a 1911 prototype" (the game could have got a colt 1911, but the map says 1910 so maybe it takes place in 1910 at the beggining before passing at 1911).

But the Black ops are portrayed very differently, in Black Ops it's Cia agents with custom and anachronistic gun(they could use the time machine , to I dont know, change the vietnam to win , they picked up new weapons for relose again), Red dead the governement threats someone, and gets him to Mexico, with a mission about one of his friend -inofficially dispose of the local dictator- and he has to find weapons and help by himself.

And talking about Vietnam war, treyarch forgot the ride of Walkyrie for the chopper scene why? At least if they put Never gonna give you up that's could be cool (anachronistic but cool), but none of the above. At least Blizzard's staff saw Apocalypse now by quoting "I like Napalm smell in the morning" (and yes they work independantly from Activision so Activision Blizzard logo has no sense)
--[[User:Comateman|comateman]] 19:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think its safe to say that Rockstar didn't take the time to do ANY research on the weapons of the time, but i will give them credit for the FN 1903, as strange as it is when a 1911 could have been used. If anyones heard about the L.A. Noire game i hope that the weapons won't be a distraction to the storyline....

:I'm sorry, but it's impossible that they didn't do any research. How could have they ended up putting a pistol in the game such as the Borchardt if they hadn't researched it? It's not exactly a well known design among people who know nothing of the history of firearms. It's more likely they researched the firearms, but made some poor choices as to what to include in the game. I'm not sure why so many people are objecting to the FN 1903 being in the game. It's true it should have been the Colt 1903 version, but this type of pistol was certainly a popular design and isn't out of place in this time period, and it's one of the guns that I was hoping to see in RDR. Many people are clamoring for a 1911, but the game starts in 1910 before it even existed. Although the game ends after 1911(i'm not sure as I haven't played it yet), so I suppose it could have been included. Yet, if you're so interested in being acccurate then the 1911 shouldn't be in RDR as it was so new that only the U.S. Army would have any. Plus the 1911 has been in about a million games. How many times has a colt or FN 1903 appeared in a game? The bolt action rifle was one thing that bothered me the most about RDR--no Mauser or M1903, but a Carcano and Krag-like rifle?!?! So which of the other weapons show Rockstar didn't do any research? I think the majority are fine, but of course it could have been better. What should have been included? If you think this selection of weapons isn't historically accurate, then don't look at the COD: Black Ops page, you'll probably have a coronary-- I know I almost did.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2011-01-01T11:08:21Z

Brasco:

--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] 11:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Holy patron saint of awesome there's a fucking C96 in the game. I dont care about historical innacuracies, Im glad they finally put this gun in another game. Plus I've been wanting to see it in another western setting since Joe Kidd. Plus I can get all...Lawrence of arabia-y...anyone agree?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Its not inaccurate, the game takes place in 1908.

Wrong the game takes place in 1911. First C96 was released in 1899

And now I know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well played sir.

Il Grande Silenzio (aka The Great Silence) also features C96 used by the main character in deadly effect. Brilliant movie, you should see it.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Now, if somebody would just make a game where I could use a webley other than Bioshock/Darksector. And a mauser. AT THE SAME TIME WOAH!!!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 18:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
==This page's format==
Nice work so far. I look forward to seeing the page's creators fix the minor page layout errors. i.e. don't put a LINK to the gun page. Write an original paragraph about who uses the gun and how it appears in the game and hyperlink the gun NAME to the gun page. Remember to check the rules & standards, the titles in the sections are never hyperlinked, only the name of the gun in the written section describing the usage in the game. Also every image should have THUMB in the wiki line with a size designator and the IMFDB page standard descriptors in the gun image and the screenshot. Any insightful summaries about the game and it's back story would also be nice. good job. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on adding details about each weapon until after the game is released, and more info is available, also, this is my first try at editing a wiki. (Wematanye)

How come there's no 1887 shotguns. They'd make more sense than an Auto-5 or a pump-action. Browing designed the lever-action specifically for frontiersmen.
(Hughjefender)

== Mannlicher M95 or Carcano 38? ==

The rifle which is currently called the "Mannlicher 1895" seems to be rather a Carcano 38 which can be seen at the front barrel band. Lookt it up on surplusrifle or google. The Austrian Mannlicher 95 has a different band. Furthermore, but I am not 100% sure about this, the Austrians did not shorten the M95s before WWI. So no matter which rifle it is it is anachronistic in all cases, but it really looks like a Carcano 38.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]]

Hi it's me again. I just saw that the rifle was positively identified as a Carcano by a recently added screenshot, showing the characteristic magazine which distinguishes the Italian Mannlicher Carcano from the Austrian Steyr Mannlicher M95. Thus the Mannlicher 95 could be removed from the "Needs positive Identification" section.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]] 19 April 2010

==Colt M1911==
:I was on the Red Dead Redemption wiki the other day and the good ole 1911 was listed as a usable weapon-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well the game is set in 1911 (From what I've been told) so could it possible? [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 09:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The game is actually set in 1908 from what I've heard. Chris_Hun7er 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The red dead wiki has a number of weapons that are unconfirmed. They are either just hopeful or mistaken, confusing the Bordchart for a Luger and the Colt 1903/1908 for a 1911
I have also heard it being set in 1911 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? all official statements I have heard say 1908.

I couldn't specifically tell you, but I believe it was from a few gaming sites (Games Radar, IGN, Game Informer etc.) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I had heard the game took place in 1908, which wouldn't make the 1911 appropriate...however who's to say all of the games events take place in the year 1908...esspecially since they talk about the mexican revolution being apart of the game which happened in 1911

:Well it would make the 1911 very inappropriate actually. And the game doesn't actually contain the revolution proper, but rather the events leading up to the revolution. That being said I highly doubt the 1911 would be in the same game when the 1903/1908 is already confirmed. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I'se reading the Playstation Store description of the game and it says that the game takes place in 1911.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.189.181|74.177.189.181]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it goes from 1908 to 1911? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well we'll all find out tomorrow children. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official, no 1911, no luger, no colt walker, no colt navy, no springfield 1903, no winchester 1887, or anything else people have claimed to see in the game or heard from someone. All small arms have already been identified. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, the games does take place in 1911, it's on the back of the box [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

But the map in the actual game says 1910 on it.

Yeah, but that could just mean you have a year old map.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.12|74.177.136.12]] 20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely set in 1911. If you look at (SPOILERS)John's tombstone, you'll see he died in 1911. (END SPOILERS) However, it is possible that the game starts in 1910, but transitions to 1911 at some point. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The game goes from 1908-1914. It starts in 1908, John dies in 1911, and then you start playing as Jack in 1914.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Merged Carcano Rifle ==
Just a heads up, I moved the image in "Carcano Rifle Scoped" to "Carcano Rifle" and deleted the "Carcano Rifle Scoped" section. Chris_Hun7er 5:50, 10 May 2010

== Krag/body ==

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual rifle, but does the second Krag-Jorgensen screen shot show a naked person hanging from the ceiling?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It certainly does. And according to some early reviews there is much worse to be found in the game. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean in terms of brutality or of nudity?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Both from the sound of it[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Hurrah for gratuitous violence!-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if that's the scene I believe it is, if you inspect the dead body after the cutscene you can see that his genitals have been cut off. Lovely. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt New Service/Colt New Army ==

has it been positively identified yet?

==Changed the protection level on this page==
Now you must log in as a user to edit. It keeps all the anonymous kids from undoing all your hard work :) MPM2008 (a mod)

==Um glock?==

why is there a pic of an animated glock on page?
:Anonymous User [[Special:Contributions/72.82.219.161|72.82.219.161]] put it on the page, perhaps not realizing that Example.jpg linked to a different image. ANYWAY, that's one reason why I BLOCKED anonymous users from editing this page. Dumb stuff like that. It has been fixed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thoughts?==
So Now that RDR has hit the streets, what do you guys think of it? I bought it thinking it would be fun, but nothing more than GTA IV in the West. Boy was I ever wrong! This has so much more to offer, and is one of the best games to come out in recent years. The combat is exciting and fun, the graphics are stunning, the story is awesome, and the sound effects are pure western! Just picking up an old Krag or SAA and capping some Mexican rebels or gang members if a hoot. The Multiplayer will keep you playing after the epic story is completed, and I think this is a game everybody should pick up. Besides minor glitches, it's perfect, 10 out of 10![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The funny part is that the glitches actually added to the fun (for me at least). Seeing flying deer or riding an invisible horse is simply gold [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I love the game. Granted, the story isn't the greatest, but it's still an amazing game, especially in terms of gameplay. If they made a sequel, I would certainly buy it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Maxim==
According to rockstar social club (lists in-depth analysis of kills and such) its labeled as a Browning, which is quite possible considering that a water cooled m1919 did exist, and it looked similar. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Actually it's a Browning M1917, my bad. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 22:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
anyone going to change it?[[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either way, it's anachronistic, since the game is set in 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Who changed it back? Most of the game is anachronistic. It's a Browning not a Maxim...[[Special:Contributions/98.64.227.225|98.64.227.225]]

==Quigley==

Who is John Quigley?
Do you perhaps mean Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under or is that a different person? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probably the name Quigley is a small cameo. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, humazie3 is right, it is actually supposed to be Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under. The character Quigley uses a Sharps rifle. --[[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Mauser C96 ==

The Mauser C96 in-game is NOT fully automatic, just semi (as the "Savvy merchant caption" picture already states). Please change that. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.141.99|85.3.141.99]] 17:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:In single player it's fully automatic. [[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

In Multiplayer it is still full-auto, its just REALLY slow [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The pistol isn't anachronistic, either, considering that the game is set in 1911 and the first C96 was released in 1899.

== Golden Guns ==

If any of youse guys have golden guns, screencap them and upload them. I only have the Borchart and the New Service. I'll get the borchart up later today [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== High Power Pistol ==

Just read on another site. They claim that the high power is actually the FN 1903 NOT the Colt 1903. Kinda makes sense figure I'll leave it up to someone else to make sure.

Its definatly the FN 1903, Look at the slide lenght. I'm no good at this so can someone else please change it for me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== LeMat loading ==

Hold up, if the LeMat is not a break-top revolver, how does it load?
: It's a percussion revolver, so it loads by packing the front of the cylinders. Look at the frame by frame shots of a LeMat being loaded in this film: [[The Quick and the Dead]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::There were actually pinfire and centerfire versions that loaded via gate like a Colt SAA. There's a picture of the centerfire version uploaded on this site. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Needs Positive Identification==

===Unknown Revolver===

I noticed a nickel finished revolver on one screencap, that could be the Schofield but looks somewhat different:
[http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1738/reddeadredemptionplayst.jpg]
Any ideas?

It could be the Colt New Service swing out revolver with a nickel finish

That's just the way the enemy guns look, makes it easier to spot when you go to pick up ammunition. They make the Winchesters look like '66 "Yellow Boys" because of that effect. -Cole Thorton

Yeah, Cole is right. It looks like it has a nickel finish, but all enemy guns look that way. Hell, the SAA looks chromed half the time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== heh ==

If you read closely, you'll find out that the scope reticle on the carcano is anarchist;
; "An ''anarchistic'' feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, as most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs"

== Krags & Henrys instead of Mondragons? ==

The game is awesome but why would the Mexican Army be using Krag rifles and Henrys when they already adopted the Mondragon M1908 that is semi-automatic and fires the 7x57mm Mauser Rounds? It just seems strange to have these rifles being used when a more modern one is available.

Eh, it's what Rockstar did, they probably either didn't know or didn't care. Can't really blame them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 04:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgot about the Mondragons that were around at the time. But as stated above, Rockstar most likely didn't do their research, I mean they made the C96 a full auto handgun and got that FN pistol instead of a 1911 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, just these little inaccuracies seem to make a difference, fire rate and power for instance :)-CZAR-

Even though the Mondragon was officially adopted as the standard rifle, there weren't enough issued to equip the entire Mexican Army. A more accurate choice would have been a bolt-action Mauser. I thought it bizarre that the game includes a Carcano and a rifle based on the Krag instead of a Mauser or Springfield. As for semi-autos included in the game, a Mondragon would be cool, but in my opinion there should have been a Remington Model 8 or Winchester 1907. Since the Browning shotgun was included, I thought for sure there would be a semi-auto rifle as well. No luck, but maybe in the next game? Still, the weapons choices for RDR prove to me that a reasonable amount of research was done. If Treyarch made this game it would full of Steyr AUGS and SPAS-12s :)--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 18:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the two games seem closer than it seem, the mission in mexico it's a black ops, seriously yeah. I don't know who first had the idea but since there was a Nico Bellic lookalike in Modern warfare, and and Billy Grey lookalike in Black Ops, they certainly stole that from an other Rockstar's production, and my first thought about the Hipower was "oh maybe a 1911 prototype" (the game could have got a colt 1911, but the map says 1910 so maybe it takes place in 1910 at the beggining before passing at 1911).

But the Black ops are portrayed very differently, in Black Ops it's Cia agents with custom and anachronistic gun(they could use the time machine , to I dont know, change the vietnam to win , they picked up new weapons for relose again), Red dead the governement threats someone, and gets him to Mexico, with a mission about one of his friend -inofficially dispose of the local dictator- and he has to find weapons and help by himself.

And talking about Vietnam war, treyarch forgot the ride of Walkyrie for the chopper scene why? At least if they put Never gonna give you up that's could be cool (anachronistic but cool), but none of the above. At least Blizzard's staff saw Apocalypse now by quoting "I like Napalm smell in the morning" (and yes they work independantly from Activision so Activision Blizzard logo has no sense)
--[[User:Comateman|comateman]] 19:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think its safe to say that Rockstar didn't take the time to do ANY research on the weapons of the time, but i will give them credit for the FN 1903, as strange as it is when a 1911 could have been used. If anyones heard about the L.A. Noire game i hope that the weapons won't be a distraction to the storyline....

:I'm sorry, but it's impossible that they didn't do any research. How could have they ended up putting a pistol in the game such as the Borchardt if they hadn't researched it? It's not exactly a well known design among people who know nothing of the history of firearms. It's more likely they researched the firearms, but made some poor choices as to what to include in the game. I'm not sure why so many people are objecting to the FN 1903 being in the game. It's true it should have been the Colt 1903 version, but this type of pistol was certainly a popular design and isn't out of place in this time period, and it's one of the guns that I was hoping to see in RDR. Many people are clamoring for a 1911, but the game starts in 1910 before it even existed. Although the game ends after 1911(i'm not sure as I haven't played it yet), so I suppose it could have been included. Yet, if you're so interested in being acccurate then the 1911 shouldn't be in RDR as it was so new that only the U.S. Army would have any. Plus the 1911 has been in about a million games. How many times has a colt or FN 1903 appeared in a game? The bolt action rifle was one thing that bothered me the most about RDR--no Mauser or M1903, but a Carcano and Krag-like rifle?!?! So which of the other weapons show Rockstar didn't do any research? I think the majority are fine, but of course it could have been better. What should have been included? If you think this selection of weapons isn't historically accurate, then don't look at the COD: Black Ops page, you'll probably have a coronary-- I know I almost did.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== Winchester 1892? ==

Hey, i've seen other sources list this gun in the game as the winchester 1873 how are we sure it is actually the 1892 model? --[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] 11:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2011-01-01T11:02:35Z

Brasco:

--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] 11:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)Holy patron saint of awesome there's a fucking C96 in the game. I dont care about historical innacuracies, Im glad they finally put this gun in another game. Plus I've been wanting to see it in another western setting since Joe Kidd. Plus I can get all...Lawrence of arabia-y...anyone agree?--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Its not inaccurate, the game takes place in 1908.

Wrong the game takes place in 1911. First C96 was released in 1899

And now I know. AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 08:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Well played sir.

Il Grande Silenzio (aka The Great Silence) also features C96 used by the main character in deadly effect. Brilliant movie, you should see it.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Will do. Now, if somebody would just make a game where I could use a webley other than Bioshock/Darksector. And a mauser. AT THE SAME TIME WOAH!!!--[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 18:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
==This page's format==
Nice work so far. I look forward to seeing the page's creators fix the minor page layout errors. i.e. don't put a LINK to the gun page. Write an original paragraph about who uses the gun and how it appears in the game and hyperlink the gun NAME to the gun page. Remember to check the rules & standards, the titles in the sections are never hyperlinked, only the name of the gun in the written section describing the usage in the game. Also every image should have THUMB in the wiki line with a size designator and the IMFDB page standard descriptors in the gun image and the screenshot. Any insightful summaries about the game and it's back story would also be nice. good job. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on adding details about each weapon until after the game is released, and more info is available, also, this is my first try at editing a wiki. (Wematanye)

How come there's no 1887 shotguns. They'd make more sense than an Auto-5 or a pump-action. Browing designed the lever-action specifically for frontiersmen.
(Hughjefender)

== Mannlicher M95 or Carcano 38? ==

The rifle which is currently called the "Mannlicher 1895" seems to be rather a Carcano 38 which can be seen at the front barrel band. Lookt it up on surplusrifle or google. The Austrian Mannlicher 95 has a different band. Furthermore, but I am not 100% sure about this, the Austrians did not shorten the M95s before WWI. So no matter which rifle it is it is anachronistic in all cases, but it really looks like a Carcano 38.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]]

Hi it's me again. I just saw that the rifle was positively identified as a Carcano by a recently added screenshot, showing the characteristic magazine which distinguishes the Italian Mannlicher Carcano from the Austrian Steyr Mannlicher M95. Thus the Mannlicher 95 could be removed from the "Needs positive Identification" section.
Greetings from Franconia. [[User:Paul_Baeumer|Paul_Baeumer]] 19 April 2010

==Colt M1911==
:I was on the Red Dead Redemption wiki the other day and the good ole 1911 was listed as a usable weapon-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well the game is set in 1911 (From what I've been told) so could it possible? [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 09:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The game is actually set in 1908 from what I've heard. Chris_Hun7er 17:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The red dead wiki has a number of weapons that are unconfirmed. They are either just hopeful or mistaken, confusing the Bordchart for a Luger and the Colt 1903/1908 for a 1911
I have also heard it being set in 1911 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Where did you hear that? all official statements I have heard say 1908.

I couldn't specifically tell you, but I believe it was from a few gaming sites (Games Radar, IGN, Game Informer etc.) [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I had heard the game took place in 1908, which wouldn't make the 1911 appropriate...however who's to say all of the games events take place in the year 1908...esspecially since they talk about the mexican revolution being apart of the game which happened in 1911

:Well it would make the 1911 very inappropriate actually. And the game doesn't actually contain the revolution proper, but rather the events leading up to the revolution. That being said I highly doubt the 1911 would be in the same game when the 1903/1908 is already confirmed. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I'se reading the Playstation Store description of the game and it says that the game takes place in 1911.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.189.181|74.177.189.181]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it goes from 1908 to 1911? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well we'll all find out tomorrow children. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It's official, no 1911, no luger, no colt walker, no colt navy, no springfield 1903, no winchester 1887, or anything else people have claimed to see in the game or heard from someone. All small arms have already been identified. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 19:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for reference, the games does take place in 1911, it's on the back of the box [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

But the map in the actual game says 1910 on it.

Yeah, but that could just mean you have a year old map.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.12|74.177.136.12]] 20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely set in 1911. If you look at (SPOILERS)John's tombstone, you'll see he died in 1911. (END SPOILERS) However, it is possible that the game starts in 1910, but transitions to 1911 at some point. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The game goes from 1908-1914. It starts in 1908, John dies in 1911, and then you start playing as Jack in 1914.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 19:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Merged Carcano Rifle ==
Just a heads up, I moved the image in "Carcano Rifle Scoped" to "Carcano Rifle" and deleted the "Carcano Rifle Scoped" section. Chris_Hun7er 5:50, 10 May 2010

== Krag/body ==

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with the actual rifle, but does the second Krag-Jorgensen screen shot show a naked person hanging from the ceiling?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It certainly does. And according to some early reviews there is much worse to be found in the game. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean in terms of brutality or of nudity?--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Both from the sound of it[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Hurrah for gratuitous violence!-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if that's the scene I believe it is, if you inspect the dead body after the cutscene you can see that his genitals have been cut off. Lovely. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt New Service/Colt New Army ==

has it been positively identified yet?

==Changed the protection level on this page==
Now you must log in as a user to edit. It keeps all the anonymous kids from undoing all your hard work :) MPM2008 (a mod)

==Um glock?==

why is there a pic of an animated glock on page?
:Anonymous User [[Special:Contributions/72.82.219.161|72.82.219.161]] put it on the page, perhaps not realizing that Example.jpg linked to a different image. ANYWAY, that's one reason why I BLOCKED anonymous users from editing this page. Dumb stuff like that. It has been fixed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thoughts?==
So Now that RDR has hit the streets, what do you guys think of it? I bought it thinking it would be fun, but nothing more than GTA IV in the West. Boy was I ever wrong! This has so much more to offer, and is one of the best games to come out in recent years. The combat is exciting and fun, the graphics are stunning, the story is awesome, and the sound effects are pure western! Just picking up an old Krag or SAA and capping some Mexican rebels or gang members if a hoot. The Multiplayer will keep you playing after the epic story is completed, and I think this is a game everybody should pick up. Besides minor glitches, it's perfect, 10 out of 10![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The funny part is that the glitches actually added to the fun (for me at least). Seeing flying deer or riding an invisible horse is simply gold [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 22:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I love the game. Granted, the story isn't the greatest, but it's still an amazing game, especially in terms of gameplay. If they made a sequel, I would certainly buy it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==Maxim==
According to rockstar social club (lists in-depth analysis of kills and such) its labeled as a Browning, which is quite possible considering that a water cooled m1919 did exist, and it looked similar. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 00:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Actually it's a Browning M1917, my bad. [[Special:Contributions/74.163.238.134|74.163.238.134]] 22:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
anyone going to change it?[[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Either way, it's anachronistic, since the game is set in 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Who changed it back? Most of the game is anachronistic. It's a Browning not a Maxim...[[Special:Contributions/98.64.227.225|98.64.227.225]]

==Quigley==

Who is John Quigley?
Do you perhaps mean Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under or is that a different person? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probably the name Quigley is a small cameo. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, humazie3 is right, it is actually supposed to be Matthew Quigley from Quigley Down Under. The character Quigley uses a Sharps rifle. --[[User:1morey|1morey]]

== Mauser C96 ==

The Mauser C96 in-game is NOT fully automatic, just semi (as the "Savvy merchant caption" picture already states). Please change that. --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.141.99|85.3.141.99]] 17:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:In single player it's fully automatic. [[Special:Contributions/184.32.172.173|184.32.172.173]] 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

In Multiplayer it is still full-auto, its just REALLY slow [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 03:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The pistol isn't anachronistic, either, considering that the game is set in 1911 and the first C96 was released in 1899.

== Golden Guns ==

If any of youse guys have golden guns, screencap them and upload them. I only have the Borchart and the New Service. I'll get the borchart up later today [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== High Power Pistol ==

Just read on another site. They claim that the high power is actually the FN 1903 NOT the Colt 1903. Kinda makes sense figure I'll leave it up to someone else to make sure.

Its definatly the FN 1903, Look at the slide lenght. I'm no good at this so can someone else please change it for me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== LeMat loading ==

Hold up, if the LeMat is not a break-top revolver, how does it load?
: It's a percussion revolver, so it loads by packing the front of the cylinders. Look at the frame by frame shots of a LeMat being loaded in this film: [[The Quick and the Dead]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::There were actually pinfire and centerfire versions that loaded via gate like a Colt SAA. There's a picture of the centerfire version uploaded on this site. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Needs Positive Identification==

===Unknown Revolver===

I noticed a nickel finished revolver on one screencap, that could be the Schofield but looks somewhat different:
[http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1738/reddeadredemptionplayst.jpg]
Any ideas?

It could be the Colt New Service swing out revolver with a nickel finish

That's just the way the enemy guns look, makes it easier to spot when you go to pick up ammunition. They make the Winchesters look like '66 "Yellow Boys" because of that effect. -Cole Thorton

Yeah, Cole is right. It looks like it has a nickel finish, but all enemy guns look that way. Hell, the SAA looks chromed half the time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== heh ==

If you read closely, you'll find out that the scope reticle on the carcano is anarchist;
; "An ''anarchistic'' feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, as most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs"

== Krags & Henrys instead of Mondragons? ==

The game is awesome but why would the Mexican Army be using Krag rifles and Henrys when they already adopted the Mondragon M1908 that is semi-automatic and fires the 7x57mm Mauser Rounds? It just seems strange to have these rifles being used when a more modern one is available.

Eh, it's what Rockstar did, they probably either didn't know or didn't care. Can't really blame them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 04:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgot about the Mondragons that were around at the time. But as stated above, Rockstar most likely didn't do their research, I mean they made the C96 a full auto handgun and got that FN pistol instead of a 1911 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, just these little inaccuracies seem to make a difference, fire rate and power for instance :)-CZAR-

Even though the Mondragon was officially adopted as the standard rifle, there weren't enough issued to equip the entire Mexican Army. A more accurate choice would have been a bolt-action Mauser. I thought it bizarre that the game includes a Carcano and a rifle based on the Krag instead of a Mauser or Springfield. As for semi-autos included in the game, a Mondragon would be cool, but in my opinion there should have been a Remington Model 8 or Winchester 1907. Since the Browning shotgun was included, I thought for sure there would be a semi-auto rifle as well. No luck, but maybe in the next game? Still, the weapons choices for RDR prove to me that a reasonable amount of research was done. If Treyarch made this game it would full of Steyr AUGS and SPAS-12s :)--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 18:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the two games seem closer than it seem, the mission in mexico it's a black ops, seriously yeah. I don't know who first had the idea but since there was a Nico Bellic lookalike in Modern warfare, and and Billy Grey lookalike in Black Ops, they certainly stole that from an other Rockstar's production, and my first thought about the Hipower was "oh maybe a 1911 prototype" (the game could have got a colt 1911, but the map says 1910 so maybe it takes place in 1910 at the beggining before passing at 1911).

But the Black ops are portrayed very differently, in Black Ops it's Cia agents with custom and anachronistic gun(they could use the time machine , to I dont know, change the vietnam to win , they picked up new weapons for relose again), Red dead the governement threats someone, and gets him to Mexico, with a mission about one of his friend -inofficially dispose of the local dictator- and he has to find weapons and help by himself.

And talking about Vietnam war, treyarch forgot the ride of Walkyrie for the chopper scene why? At least if they put Never gonna give you up that's could be cool (anachronistic but cool), but none of the above. At least Blizzard's staff saw Apocalypse now by quoting "I like Napalm smell in the morning" (and yes they work independantly from Activision so Activision Blizzard logo has no sense)
--[[User:Comateman|comateman]] 19:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think its safe to say that Rockstar didn't take the time to do ANY research on the weapons of the time, but i will give them credit for the FN 1903, as strange as it is when a 1911 could have been used. If anyones heard about the L.A. Noire game i hope that the weapons won't be a distraction to the storyline....

:I'm sorry, but it's impossible that they didn't do any research. How could have they ended up putting a pistol in the game such as the Borchardt if they hadn't researched it? It's not exactly a well known design among people who know nothing of the history of firearms. It's more likely they researched the firearms, but made some poor choices as to what to include in the game. I'm not sure why so many people are objecting to the FN 1903 being in the game. It's true it should have been the Colt 1903 version, but this type of pistol was certainly a popular design and isn't out of place in this time period, and it's one of the guns that I was hoping to see in RDR. Many people are clamoring for a 1911, but the game starts in 1910 before it even existed. Although the game ends after 1911(i'm not sure as I haven't played it yet), so I suppose it could have been included. Yet, if you're so interested in being acccurate then the 1911 shouldn't be in RDR as it was so new that only the U.S. Army would have any. Plus the 1911 has been in about a million games. How many times has a colt or FN 1903 appeared in a game? The bolt action rifle was one thing that bothered me the most about RDR--no Mauser or M1903, but a Carcano and Krag-like rifle?!?! So which of the other weapons show Rockstar didn't do any research? I think the majority are fine, but of course it could have been better. What should have been included? If you think this selection of weapons isn't historically accurate, then don't look at the COD: Black Ops page, you'll probably have a coronary-- I know I almost did.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== Winchester 1892 ==

Hey, i've seen other sources list this gun in the game as the winchester 1873 how are we sure it is actually the 1892 model? --[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] 11:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Red Dead Redemption

2010-12-31T10:44:55Z

Brasco: /* Winchester 1892 */ new section

The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T10:44:25Z

Brasco:

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] models converted in appearance to appear as the earlier period appropriate (1877) single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]]'s.

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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[[Category:War]]
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[[Category:Edward Zwick]]

Talk:The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T10:36:07Z

Brasco:

Are we Sure Cruise has a Single Action Army? It looks like it might be an open top model, possibly an 1860 Cartridge Conversion.--[[User:68.102.156.139|68.102.156.139]] 22:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:It looks like you're right, I just looked it up and I found this gun called a 1860 Colt Army Revolver, it looks similar to a Single Action Army, but dosen't have the top part. When I saw it in the movie, I assumed it was an old fashion version of the SAA.

::Its definitely a Colt cap and ball revolver converted for cartridges. In the picture in the article you can clearly see there's no top strap, and a plunger instead of the loading lever. If someone can find some screen-shots with a side view we might be able to figure out whether its an 1851, 1860 or 1861.--[[User:68.102.156.139|68.102.156.139]] 19:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:::You're right.
:::I would say you're right, it is the revolver you talked about. There are a few other scenes with it, but they're very brief. I'll fix the article right now.

== Cutlery ==

:Maybe it is misinterpreted, but the '''F''' in ''IMFDB'' stands for Firearms, ''not'' cutlery. Unless the knife is very important to the main character or placed in discussion, we list guns here, not swords. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Perhaps you'd like to explain to me then why rocket launchers and various explosive devices are named, then? They are definitely NOT guns.

:because its imfdb not imgdb a rocket launcher is still a firearm

Yeah come on can someone name the swords used as the film is called the last samurai and the swords are more concentrated on than guns
just for the sake p.s i know we all are gun nuts but the modern warfare 2 page even has the throwing knives listed

I'll admit the swords of the main characters do shine during the fight scenes, but what is the point? Put a section that saids, "this is a katana, a very well crafted piece of tempered steel and can cut through a person with almost no resistance at all" ? I mean, they are swords...what more can you find out about them? They don't get reused in other movies or have long histories, or even matter. The "hero" sword Cruise used is probably in the hand of a collector and hundreds of copies are made and sold everyday. I mean, Katana, Wakazaki, tanto, bayonets. No point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:And yet that doesn't stop the number of numerous pages that include modern knives from movies. And honestly, you saying "what's the difference" in bladed weaponry is pretty much the same thing as someone saying "what's the difference" between one pistol and the other. Surely you would jump at that opportunity to exert your expertise on the subject to explain EXACTLY what the difference is, so don't be ignorant and pull that with bladed weaponry. Honestly imfdb can easily become imwdb and then it can cover ALL weapons in movies. I'm actually surprised it doesn't. [[Special:Contributions/75.74.188.74|75.74.188.74]] 02:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:Because there are so many variations of a Katana, spear, and dagger in the movie. It would literally fill up several pages. We got the "Rambo" knife because that's just one knife and it has a history and fame. When someone see Rambo's knife, they'll recognize it. If they see a Katana from Last Samurai, they'd just say. Oh a Japanese sword. There's no point in putting any of the swords in the main page. Perhaps in the discussion page like some of the pages where we got cars and The Punisher has knives in discussion page, but they also have good descriptions as well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Continuity error ==

I started to wonder on why does Cruise have 2 different revolvers when it only appears he had one holster to his side. He pulls the Colt Army during the training scene and then suddenly it's a Schofield? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

Did you morons ever think it may be the 71 model [[Mauser]]? How can you tell it's an 84? -Anonymous [[Special:Contributions/67.163.10.110 |User 67.163.10.110]]
::Hey [[Special:Contributions/67.163.10.110 |User 67.163.10.110]], you may want to dial back on that attitude, or you may be on the receiving end of the "ban stick"! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:The guy has a point [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think this will clear this argument up
[http://www.gibbsrifle.com/m187184.html] -- [[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

I added some modification to that section to clear things up to the reader. Here's some backing info you can find here [http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?13627-Mauser-M71-s-in-quot-The-Last-Sumari-quot] [[User:Brasco|Brasco]]

The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T10:33:30Z

Brasco:

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model converted in appearance to appear as the earlier single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]]'s which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T10:32:02Z

Brasco:

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model which were converted in appearance to appear as the earlier single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]]'s which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T10:05:22Z

Brasco:

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model. In action however they appear to be depicting the earlier single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]]'s which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:49:06Z

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[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model being used as visual stand-ins for the earlier single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]]'s which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:46:56Z

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[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model likely being used as visual stand-ins for the earlier single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]]'s which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:44:27Z

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[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model likely being used as stand-ins for the earlier single-shot [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]] which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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Talk:The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:28:24Z

Brasco:

The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:25:56Z

Brasco:

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifles used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model likely being used as stand-ins for the earlier [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]] which were in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:24:21Z

Brasco:

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifle used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model likely being used as stand-ins for the earlier [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]] which were actually in use during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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The Last Samurai

2010-12-19T09:18:58Z

Brasco: Mauser clarification.

[[Image:Last_Samurai_Poster2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Last Samurai'' (2003)]]

''The Last Samurai'' is a 2003 historical war film directed by Edward Zwick (''[[Glory]]'') and starring [[Tom Cruise]] as a disillusioned Civil War veteran who travels to Japan to help wipe out the Samurai, but then comes to learn their ancient warrior ways after he is captured.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Last Samurai'':'''

__TOC__ 

==Winchester Model 1873==
In the beginning of the film, Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) shows off and fires a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] at a trade show, according to Nathan it is a lever action rifle with a seven shot capacity. Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) also uses a [[Winchester Model 1873|Winchester 1873]] in the fog battle scene. Algren states it is a '73 trapper, which could hold 6 + 1 in the chamber, yet you can see it is a Saddle Ring Carbine as evident by the saddle ring seen on the left side of the reciever.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) fires a Winchester rifle.]]
[[Image:LS_Winchester_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zebulon Gant ([[Billy Connolly]]) is armed with a Winchester rifle.]]

== Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion==

Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) uses a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver, converted for use with metallic cartridges, while training Japan's army. One memorable scene with this gun is when Nathan Algren draws his Colt to scare a training soldier into shooting him and proving that the soldiers are not ready to battle the samurai.

[[Image:ArmyConversion55.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1860 Army Richards-Mason Conversion.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Tell this man that if he does not shoot me, I will kill him." Algren draws his Colt.]]

== Colt Single Action Army ==
Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) also uses a [[Colt Single Action Army]] during the final charge scene.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 7 1/2" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:LastSa 203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]) draws his Colt SAA.]]
[[Image:LS_SAA_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colonel Bagley fires his Colt SAA at the approaching samurai.]]

== Smith & Wesson Schofield ==
Algren uses a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] during his first battle with the samurai.

[[Image:S&WSchofieldright.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 with blued finish - .45 Schofield. (right side)]]
[[Image:LS_Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nathan Algren fires a Smith & Wesson Schofield during his first encounter with the samurai.]]

== Springfield Model 1861 ==
The Imperial Army of Japan uses [[Springfield 1861]] muzzle-loading rifles as their standard issued weapons during the first half of the movie. Unlike many muzzle-loaders, some of these guns appear to be able to fire two shots before having to reload, all though this could be incorrect. But this could be a trick of the camera where the line of soldiers reloaded, and fired again, or a another line assembled off camera.

[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springifeld Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball]]
[[Image:LS_Musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army trains with their [[Springfield 1861]]s.]]

==Enfield 1853==

Along with the Springfield Model 1861, Japanese troops were also equipped with [[British 1853 Enfield]] rifles during their training with Algren.
[[Image:Enfield1853.jpg|thumb|none|350px|British 1853 Enfield]]
[[Image:LastSa 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Mauser M1871/84 ==

In the second half of the movie, the Japanese Imperial Army carries German bolt-action Mauser Rifles, in spite of the fact they were supposedly being armed by the US (In actual history it was the Prussians who did arm the Japanese with Mauser's). The rifle models used on screen are the anachronistic [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser M1871/84]] model as opposed to the earlier [[Mauser Rifle Series|Mauser Model 1871]] which were actually used during that time period (1877).

[[Image:Gr71-84 70.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mauser M1871/84]]
[[Image:LS_Musket_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army fire their Mausers at the samurai.]]

== Howitzer ==

The Imperial Army is shown training with Howitzers after Nathan Algren ([[Tom Cruise]]) comes back from being with the samurai for a few months. The [[Howitzer]]s are later used in the final battle scene. Both the Mountain Howitzer and the Field Howitzer are the same caliber projectile, but require different powder charges. The movie utilized the Field Howitzer as shown in the screen shots below.

[[Image:Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|350px|An old fashioned Civil War Mountain Howitzer.]]
[[Image:LS_Howitzer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army train with their Field Howitzers.]]
[[Image:Ls_Howitzer_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Imperial Army open fire.]]

== Gatling Gun ==

The Imperial Army uses [[Gatling Gun]]s to slaughter the remaining samurai in the final charge scene. According to Colonel Bagley ([[Tony Goldwyn]]), "These guns can fire two hundred rounds a minute, and their new cartridges have cut down on jamming." These particular guns were heavily repaired by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, onsite, prior to shooting.

[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An 1865 [[Gatling Gun]].]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]] on a carriage made by Master Armorer, Gary Harper, as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LastSa 014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Master Armorer, Gary Harper, oversees the Imperial soldiers as they prepare to fire their Gatlings.]]
[[Image:LS_Gatling_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Gatling Gun|1874 Gatling Gun]]s are unleashed upon the Samurai.]]

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