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Talk:High Incident

2012-01-19T00:41:11Z

BC2009: Created page with "Now, I admit, I'm going off my Memory here, and I didn't watch every episode, but I had thought that David Keith (Corporal Jim Marsh) carried a revolver on the show, as did Blair..."

Now, I admit, I'm going off my Memory here, and I didn't watch every episode, but I had thought that David Keith (Corporal Jim Marsh) carried a revolver on the show, as did Blair Underwood (Officer Michael Rhoades) when he joined the show. Underwood's revolver may have been a Smith & Wesson Model 686.

Also, I also recall seeing Heckler & Koch USPs carried on the show too. Maybe some day someone will be able to screencap it. - BC2009, January 18, 2012.

Talk:Nikita (2010)

2011-04-04T17:14:21Z

BC2009: /* Nikita in Sci Fi */

Thanks to whoever added the guns in the case. I forgot them somehow--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the SIG P225 is a 225 because it seemed to have a single-stack mag when she took it out. Your opinion?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 14:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:At the end? I'm pretty sure that was Michael's P220. Or at least what I believe was a P220. It's single stack and looks full size. But at the same time something feels off. I've never doubted myself with an ID before. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::It is single stack but not full size. Most likely a SIG P239.

The one at the end of the episode? No, definitely not a P239. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 17:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:You're right, I checked the main article. Before I didn't realize the gun she pulled at the end was different from the one she took out of her case.

Is the Glock in Nikita's gun case really a 26? The butt of the grip on the 26 is angled in relation to the slide but the butt of the grip on the Glock in the case appears to be parallel to the slide. I think it's actually a Gen 3 or 4 G17. The thumb rest also appears to be more elongated that the 26's and the Glock logo on the grip appears to be farther away from the slide than the 26's logo. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 22:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think you're right, it looks more like a Glock 19. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::No, the G19 has an angled buttplate where the G17 has a straight one. --[[User:Newshawk|Newshawk]] 05:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The pic on the main page with the ammo showing in the mag is under the Sig 220 section. But the ammo appears to be Fiocchi 9mm ammo and the mag even looks like the P225 mag. Plus, those bullet look small compared to her finger tips so i doubt they are 230gr. fmj's.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks to big to be a P225, they're essentially single stack versions of the P228 right? P220's used to be available in 9x19mm, .32 ACP and .38 Super. I've been thinking it was one of those calibers. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 00:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think it was .30 Luger not .32 ACP. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The mag looks to new so it shouldnt be a P220 mag in any of those calibers...but the mag looks just like the P225...and that would explain the 9mm ammo in a single stack that would be bigger than the P239 mag.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]]
17:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

That is so awesome that they used the Roni already...hopefully i will have one for my glock 19 by years end, talk about a zombie killer.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:What is the purpose of the RONI? Why not just use a Submachine gun or pistol caliber carbine and keep your pistol as a back up?
The Roni is a cheap and badass way for the average and un-rich to have a submachine gun...if the person already has a glock, for $600 you get a easy to use very accurate pistol caliber SBR with a grip that you are already familiar with. Find any SBR for cheaper and with easy access to 33rd mags.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

==Title Change==
This article is currently titled ''Nikita (2010)'', usually this is done with films that share the same title. Being as the other Nikita is a film and this one is a television series, should they be called ''Nikita'' and ''Nikita (series)'' respectively?
::Actually this conforms even though there is NO OTHER show called just ''''Nikita''''. Both the 1990 movie and the 1997 series were called "'''La Femme Nikita'''" (full correct title). This show is just called '''Nikita'''. Though we should NOT put the year on it, it is fair enough to do so since people will get it confused with the other show, even though the names are slightly different. I say keep the year, even though TECHNICALLY it does not need the year since there is no other show with just the name "Nikita". [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::funny, but the russian name Nikita in Russia is the only male name. Moreover, it is not too common. Personally, I have it immediately evokes thoughts of the red-neck villager or a bald Nikita Khrushchev.[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 06:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/217.147.25.146|217.147.25.146]] 11:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

the sig is a 220. 45 cal single stack mag.

the glock is a replica glock that differs slightly from the real glock 26

==Micheal's Knife==
Does anyone know what the knife micheal handed nikita in the most recent episode is?

:Looks like a "Smith & Wesson HRT Double Edged Boot Knife [https://www.sealsactiongear.com/catalog/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=471]" to me. And for the future, posting in the middle of a big block of text on a different subject isn't the smartest idea. I've fixed it for you. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 01:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I apoligies im not that good with the whole editing thing in my own language, let alone english. But excuses are pointless so im sorry and thank you for the link.

=="Coup De Grace"==
Were the Division agents useing MP5s or SIG 552s when the took out the guards? The sights look realy similar.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:All the diivison agents use MP5s or Beretta 92FSs in that episode. The two agents who took out the guards were using suppressed MP5s (not the SD variant, just a regular one with silencer attached). They also all seem to have RIS hand-guards and vertical grips. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 22:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Strange pistol on this week's episode ==
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Mobile%20Uploads/0218111256.jpg?t=1298063063

What the hell is that? At first glance when she took it from the Russian gunman, I thought it was an FN Five-Seven. But upon closer examination, I don't think I've ever seen a pistol like that. Is it some kind of prop, non-gun, or flashpaper gun? And sorry for the low quality of the pic, I took it from right off the TV screen with my cell phone and uploaded it to Photobucket. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a Zoraki blank firing gun. Model 925. It's a semi/full auto that is often featured in handgun magazines; perhaps for those not wanting to carry a real gun, but to still have the deterrent. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 22:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

First pic is a different pic of the Zoraki (not 100% it is a [[Zoraki 925]] though as seems shorter in barrel and frame) showing that it has a hi-capacity magazine, but second I don't know. Is not the same, but from the look of it is another blank firer. I think that a lot of the bad guys from this episode are armed with this second gun aswell in the final gun fight, where rather than realistic muzzle flashes, the guns seem to produce sparks, like in a 70s cop show. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:Nik 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Nik 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Found out that the second pistol is a Zoraki 914. Another full auto capable blank firer, seemingly based on a beretta. Not sure, but I think the only guns that were fired in this episode were Zoraki pistols. Would it be the case that they could have shot this in a location where blank firing pistols were easier or more legally expedient to get hold of than real pistols converted to blank firers? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:05, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Just noticed while sorting a couple of the unknown guns on the main page that there is a stainless Zoraki 914 used earlier in the series (first picture under "Unknown Pistols". Haven't done a section for it though, should blank firing guns that are not replicas of real guns go on the main page of a show, or discussion? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::They'd go on the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Michael's shotgun ==

[[Image:Vlcsnap-2011-02-25-17h00m58s63.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael's shotgun from ''Echoes'' (Season 1, Episode 16).]]
This is Michael's shotgun from the most recent episode. Firstly, am I correct in thinking this is a Remington 870, and if so are those some sort of special pins above the trigger, as they look way too big to be the normal ones. Secondly, does anyone know what kind of stock it has fitted? Lastly, this is one ugly shotgun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is a Remington Model 870, fitted with a telescoping buttstock of the M4 type. Not sure of exactly which brand. I see it has what appears to be a tri-rail foreend with folded grip on the bottom, and a mount on top for optics. Those pins above the trigger keep the trigger assembly in place, and likely are holding an off-side SideSaddle not seen. The usual pins sit flush with the receiver. - BC2009 7:05 PM, 2011-03-21

== Nikita in Sci Fi ==

Happened to look in the latest edition of Sci Fi Magazine, Maggie Q is on the cover, she's holding a Beretta w/ her finger on the trigger (naughty girl) and looking through the article, I happened to notice in one of the photos that Michael (Shane West) was holding his SIG. What caught my eye, however, was what appeared to the the "Clipdraw" attached to it. The Clipdraw, if you're not familiar with it attaches to the firearm you use the clip to attach the gun to your pants/belt. http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=395&action=show_detail
Thought I would pass that information along for you guys in case you wanted to add it to your information base. - BC2009, 7:09 PM, 2011-03-21

Looking at the scans posted here: http://multipleverses.com/2011/02/18/nikita-sci-fi-magazine-article-scans/ I can't see it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:20, 21 March 2011 (CDT)

Look at last page, with multiple pictures. Michael (Shane West) at rear of Vehicle, New York plates. Look just above his right hand at the long, slitted clip along the top of the grip. - BC2009 2011-04-04 1:14 PM

== Pistol Alex Used to Kill Vlad ==

For the second time I have watched the "Alexandra" Episode and have not been able to figure out what the pistol is that Alex used to kill Vlad. If anyone knows for sure, I would really like to know.

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 21:34, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Haven't seen the episode in a while so can't remember peoples' names, but do you mean the guy she kills a few minutes before the end of the episode? Not 100% but I reckon it is a Zoraki M906 blank firer. Shape seems to match, particularly the trigger guard, and it also has that odd sparky muzzle flash that the Zoraki 914 that Nikita uses in the same episode has. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:01, 1 April 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, that's the scene I am talking about. I am not so sure that the Zoraki M906 is it though. I will watch it again and see if that is the same thing.
I really appreciate your reply commando. Let you know after looking at it again. :)

--[[User:Menacek04|Menacek04]] 20:47, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Nikita (2010)

2011-03-21T23:10:07Z

BC2009:

Talk:Point of No Return

2011-02-22T22:06:47Z

BC2009:

== Walther P5 ==

The pistol incorrectly labeled as a Beretta M1934 is a suppresed '''Walther P5'''. Note the solid slide(berretas are open topped) and the lack of a visible ejection port, which is on the opposite side from other pistols(same as the P38 from which it was derived) --[[User:Zurak 47|Zurak 47]] 03:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

== P7M8 ==
I don't see heat shielding on the P7, so it might be a PSP or a P7PSP [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 07:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Rule number one ==
In the film they state that rule number one is to never chamber the first round in pistol. Is it just me or is that the exact opposite of what nearly every other source advises people to do.
:Yeah pretty much the opposite. (Even though the Israeli's are trained to draw and rack the slide) I think the line works better in the original French film Nikita. He had a revolver and didn't keep the first round cambered. With a semi-auto you have rack the slide, a revolver just pull the trigger again. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unidentified Rifle ==

I believe it could be a Steyr-Mannlicher SSG, though sound dubbing sounds like a "suppressed" gun, sadly enough.

A few links to look at, so ya'll can consider it -

http://www.remtek.com/arms/steyr/ssg/ssg.htm

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Steyr_SSG_69

Note the stock's lines, the relationship of sights on the barrel compared to the rifle presented in PONR.
- BC2009 / 2011-02-22

Talk:Point of No Return

2011-02-22T22:05:58Z

BC2009:

Point of No Return

2011-02-22T22:02:26Z

BC2009: /* unidentified rifle */

Talk:Mr. & Mrs. Smith

2010-03-26T02:29:22Z

BC2009: /* 10/22 */

==Two-toned SIG==
I was looking over it, and I could swear it looked like a P220. ~ [[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

==
There are two distinct versions of this movie. I bought the DVD and I saw the version on television, and there is quite a bit of a difference between the final battle in both versions. The final battle in the television cut is much longer and the music is different. Does anyone have a DVD version that matches the longer battle (like the one seen on tv)? Because I bought the original DVD when it came out and it doesn't have these scenes. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

:I have been wondering about this myself. Like, why wasn't the part where Brad drives an ATV (firing an MP5K) while Jane rides in a trailer (firing the Minigun) seen in the DVD version even though it's been shown on TV? I believe the version you've seen on FX a couple of times now is the Director's Cut, which IMDB says is 6 minutes longer. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

::It is the Director's Cut. Don't know why FX chose to show that version, but the ATV Minigun scene appears in the DC and not in the theatrical version. If you go to look for it, find Mr. and Mrs. Smith UNRATED. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 06:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
:I own the unrated cut and have every intention of adding the screencaps soon. But I have a few other things to do first. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Finally done! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==10/22==
That is not a Ruger 10/22 nor is it a modified 10/22 in the Carnival scene. It is a constant air (see the air tube attached to the rifle) custom air rifle that fires metallic BBs that are larger than standard BBs (but I think smaller than Slingshot BBs). I dont' remember the manufacturer but it was common in Coney Island's Hey day and I used to shoot these all the time as a kid. They are AIR guns built from the ground up and are not based on any live firearm. MPM2008
:Really? Dammit, I could of sworn it was a 10/22. Doesn't it look like one or is something wrong with my vision? I bet the barrel is bigger than the BBs, because that's how those corrupt carnival bastards get you. It's hard to accurately use a gun when the rounds are tumbling out of the barrel.- [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

The air rifle being used is a Crosman 1077 .177 caliber. Here is a link to the Crosman page on it, if you need it - http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/co2/1077

==Open MP5 bolt handles==
I heard an interesting quip from another armorer in that (while waiting in the elevator) John and Jane intentionally keep their MP5 Bolts open (to keep the bolt carrier locked back and help cool off the gun after firing so many magazines), and it is assumed that they are 'skilled enough' to quickly slap down the bolt handle to charge the weapon a mili-second before they go charging out the door. Interesting point there. MPM2008

==The Standard DVD Gun pictures==
On the standard DVD rom itself shows a weird looking double trigger guard gun, and a hole bunch of weapons that is worth putting on this page if any one can find or take a picture of the DVD rom itself and upload it onto IMFDB. I am not totally sure if your unrated DVD rom shows this[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]. But if no one uploads I'll take a picture myself. [[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1994]]
::Yeah, that's the Stealth-1, and I already had it saved. If you mean something else, upload it and put in the discussion section first so I know what you mean (I have the extended cut, so I don't have the standard DVD). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==UMP-45==
I was bored so I built Jane's UMP-45. It isn't useable for the site's standards but I figured I'd show you guys anyway.
[[Image:UMP45MMS.jpg]]

- [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::So you want me to set up and photograph a UMP in the same configuration? *sigh* I'll do it for you if you want. :) I'll add it to the list. At least you went to the trouble of outfitting it with the correct type of details so it make my job easier.... :) Heck, I'm still try to get a shot of a Henry and a Winchester 'faux' Henry ... hahahaha :) - [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:::You don't have to, it wasn't my intention to ask you, I was just messing around with the editing stuff to see what I can do. The C-More sight is from the 629 in XXX, and I turned it black. I chopped off the stock, reversed it, and cut out the white background (I noticed she keeps the stock folded). The foregrip and rail are from google images. The suppressor is from the UMP-9. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Does anyone know what guns john sticks on to her belt and where the came from?

==Silenced .22s?==

Its listed as one Ruger mk3 and one Buckmark? I disagree. I own both pistols they look like they are both silenced Buckmarks. Could I get a second opinion? or check some screens with proof of the Mk3 bolt cycling? Thanks. -FuriousOyster

I just watched that scene again today they are both definitely Buckmarks. Due to that image of them holstered, Mk frames don't look like that, and I watched both the actions cycle. -FuriousOyster

BTW Buckmarks have aluminum frames to my knowledge not polymer. -FuriousOyster

==Troy SOPMOD==
I made a mistake in suggesting that the SOPMOD wasn't out until 09. It WAS out in 05 but that was not the stock used on the M14, according to some folks who worked on the set. Sorry for the confusion.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Walker, Texas Ranger

2010-03-25T15:35:47Z

BC2009:

Okay everybody, I'm making it my mission to get this page finished, so I need a few things. First, can anyone check the S&W model used in the pilot? I just saw it today, but I can't recognize the model. It looks like 4506, but all the S&W semi-autos look the same to me. Seconde, can anyone confirm what 92 Norris uses? I think it's at least supposed to be a Beretta (seeing as how Trivette coments on the price), but it might be a Taurus used as a Beretta stand-in. Finally, can anyone check the model of revolver used by both Walker and the pilot's CD? - Snake Doc

:Here's what I can tell you...

:*Contrary to what the page says, there are almost no Beretta 92Fs ("M9" is the wrong designation for civilian models) used in the show. Most of the bad guys and cops use Taurus PT92s.

:*Walker used a nickel-plated Taurus PT92 in several of the later seasons. He did use a two-tone Beretta 92FS (with a nickel barrel and frame, and a black slide) in one season, I can't remember which. But the all-nickel gun he uses is actually a Taurus.

:*The S&W I remember as a 4506, but I will have to check again.

:Hope that helps. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks MT. One more thing, can anyone confirm what type of S&W revolver Walker uses, I did some checking, and I think it might be a pre-war Registered Magnum. I know that's basically a 27, but the rarity of the RM makes me think it'd be the perfect gun for Walker.

--

Shotguns. In the Pilot, the Remington 870 Walker had looked like a short-barreled Scattergun Technologies model. Later on, he had a Remington 870 Marine Magnum fitted w/ a SideSaddle, as noted by the finish. - BC2009 25 March 2010

Talk:Heat

2009-12-22T23:34:49Z

BC2009: /* Trivia */

==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46.png|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

::::The shotgun used in "L.A. Takedown" was a SPAS-15, not a USAS-12. There are plenty of screengrabs of the movie online which confirm that the SPAS-15 was used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

I stand corrected. I found video clips of the movie, including the bank heist/shootout. Daniel Baldwin started out with the SPAS-15. Standing erect in a "proper" hi-power rifle stance. God I'm glad to see part of the movie again!

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:That's usually when games are released the same day the movie is, causing the developers to rush-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

True. The Godfather games are good but they were able to take their time on both of them.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Public Enemies

2009-12-20T00:23:02Z

BC2009: /* Can't Wait To See This */

==Firearms in "Public Enemies" Trailer==
The "unidentified rifle" is actually the Remington Model 8 autoloader. Another semiauto rifle appears in the very last screenshot under the Thompson SMG section. While the bank robber in the foreground has a Thompson, the guy in the background is armed with what appears to be a Winchester Model 1907. Look closely at how the guy is holding the weapon at the trigger guard, it's obvious there's no pistol grip there and it's actually a stocked rifle. This particular rifle is modified with a vertical foregrip so at first glance it does appear to be a Thompson. These rifles were used by the Dillinger gang and can be seen in this photo of confiscated weapons: http://www.auto-ordnance.com/AO-3F3.html In the photo, a Winchester modified with a muzzle brake is right next to the Thompson.
I also think I saw a Remington Model 11 autoloading shotgun in the trailer. It was in the hands of the FBI agent who bursts into Dillinger's room and knocks him down.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Phillb36 - you are absolutely correct that the rifle in the backround is a Winchester 1907 - you can clearly see the distinctive 10-round magazine - good call! This should be a heck of a good movie.

==Can't Wait To See This==
I'm glad Michael Mann is back to making gun heavy movies (and ones that don't suck like Miami Vice...) and hope this has the same aspects as Heat. Prohibition is a great time for films to cover. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yeah, I'm really excited about this one myself. The trailer alone was really cool. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I read the script a few months ago and it looks pretty good. Although not 100% accurate, it does a really good job telling the true story of Dillinger and I think it'd be a great return to form for Mann, I'm really pumped for it. -[[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

Nyles here, didn't bother logging in. Man At Arms For The Gun Collector has an interesting article in the current issue that claims Dillinger carried a Super 38, not a .45 Government Model, and that the infamous machine pistols were also .38 Supers.
::Dillinger carried .38 Supers, but we won't simply claim that on the page as one anonymous user kept doing (with poor grammer/spelling) because we don't actually know that they didn't just use .45s. Since Steve took photos of some of the guns used in this movie (note the M1911A1 from the film in the picture is in .45 ACP), he'd likely know if any of the guns were in .38 Super. Just assuming isn't good gun identification. Also, I think Purvis favored the .38 Super as well, but I may be wrong on that. As for the revolvers used in the movie, wait till the DVD comes out before we ID those, we can't play that as well by memory. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

What was the shoulder rig Depp used??

---

I picked up a copy of the 2-Disc Special Edition the other day and sat down to watch it. The two-disc offered "extras" of behind the scenes stuff, which with my experience with Michael Mann's movies HEAT and Miami Vice (2006) proved to be almost more enjoyable than the movie itself. The inner dynamics that Mann brings to his productions is so interesting, and makes the production end result better, IMHO. Unlike the other two, there was no gun-training filmed, other than a photo shot of Johnny Depp taking aim on the range with a Thompson. Apparently, Depp really got into the role, Mann said he was intrigued by the Thompson, and scene of him field-stripping the Thompson bore that out. Stephen Dorff's observation of carrying the heavy B.A.R. was amusing however.
I also want to thank you for the scenes of the "Machine Pistol" broken down in sequence. I got lost in the whole Little Bohemia firefight, the car scene went by so fast and all I saw was muzzle flash, no details of the scene. A good dose of reality? Another thing I like about Mann's productions, the intensity of the gun fights. - BC2009 December 19 2009.

== Colt Terminology ==

There's some incorrect terminology used in this (and, technically, many other) articles in the site, but on this one it's really noticable. M1911 and M1911A1 only refers to pistols made for the US military - pistols made for the civilian market, with or without the A1 modifications, were called the 1911 Government Model. Now, that's a nitpicky point, since they're commonly refered to as 1911s today, and you usually have to see the markings to know the difference (though by the same token that's like calling every Beretta 92 an M9).

But what makes it glaring here is calling a .38 Super an M1911A1. It's not the same gun - not only was it not a military-issue pistol (the US military, since it's introduction in 1932, has acquired a grand total of 2 .38 Supers, depending on if you count a few hundred for the OSS), Colt didn't even consider it the same as a Government Model. It was sold as the Super 38, and that IS the commonly accepted term for it. Seems to me if we know it's a .38 Super, then we should be calling it a Super 38.
::Visit the M1911 pistol series page for an explaination on why we call them M1911A1s, regardless. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::: I agree that it's pointless to try and differentiate M1911s from commerical 1911s (though I'd rather see them just called 1911s instead of M1911s), but a Super 38 isn't an M1911A1 OR a Government Model, it's a Super 38. I'm not saying it needs it's own page but it ought to have it's own heading on the 1911 page. Although it's kinda of a moot point, looking at the prop I see it's a 1960s era gun that they slapped some (incorrect) double diamond grips on, and by then production of .38 Supers actually had merged with the .45s.

Nyles: What you are say is correct in a way. The sales staff at Colt still called it a 1911 Government Model even though the pistol had the 1911A1 modifications to it. So to everyone out there that sees it it's a 1911A1 even the Colt Model 1927 pistols so to Brazil. The .38 Super like the .22 Ace is still based on the 1911A1 Government Model frame as only the top end is different. There is no point to make a sepparate page for the .38 Super variation. I know it's good to point this out but I agree was Gunmaster45 that it should stay the same. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 23:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm nor saying that we should make a seperate page, I say that quite clearly up there. Just that you shouldn't call a Super 38 an M1911. We differentiate between a 1911A1 and a Series 70, when the only difference is the barrel, a gun marketed under a different name, in a different caliber, using a different system for headspacing, should also be differentiated.

Also, the Model 1927 wasn't made for Brazil, it was for and in Argentina. Brazil used the S&W M1937, which was an updated M1917 revolver.

:I wouldn't be totally opposed to making a separate entry on the 1911 page for the 38 Super. Only question is, do we know of any other movies besides ''Public Enemies'' that have used one? If not, then it seems just a tad pointless. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::The only .38 Super used in the movie was the machine pistol and it was changed to 9mm so what is the problem. You are shoveling .... on this the 1911 is the original configuration, the 1911A1 is a 1911 with governmernt changes, the series 70 has changes and the series 80 has changes. Each weapon had the designation changed either offically or unoffically to acknowledge the changes so what is the problem on this. Is the 38 super a completely different weapon the the 1911A1? The answer is no as you are talking about 7 parts in the top end and the frames and lower parts are all the same. I agree with MT2008 that it would be pointless to make a separate entry for it just not the differance. This is a listing of 1911 style handguns used in film not a Colt Automatic Pistol website with all change and part variations. The handguns used in the film are 1911A1 pre-war commercial pistols in .45 used to represent Dillingers .38 Super pistols. The machine pistol shoild have a separate entry as it might show up in another movie.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 09:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

==1901 shotgun==

Why would a lever gn need to be converted to fire blanks? I thought maually operated guns could cycle blanks anyway?
:Nope. Shoot, chamber a new round. Lever, pump, and bolt actions dont need to be blank converted, only automatics. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

:To be honest, I'm actually not 100% sure about this (I'll have to ask again). But as best I know, manually-operated guns are still internally plugged in many cases for safety reasons. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Public Enemies film firearms==
What happened to all the photos of the screen used firearms in this movie?--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I had to take them down because certain parties got upset and I feared there might be legal consequences. I can't really say much more than that. It is a shame, because they were awesome pictures, but I do have to take precautions. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's unfortunate, were the parties that got upset the ones who sent the images? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. We are just displaying pictures. We're not asking for a price or selling anything. I can never see how photos of certain things be a problem with copyright issues. Is there a way to ask the parties that own the photos to allow us to display them again? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== The soap gun ==

Wasn't this photo of the scene at the Crown Point jail and Dillinger was using a fake gun made out of soap or wood to threaten guards? Cause this was in the 1911 section

I think the real one was made out if wood look like a Colt Detective Special

[[Image:Publen-1911a2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Machine Pistol==
Can someone show me what a Colt.38 super looks like up close? I need help as the prop gun made by ISS pic was removed.
::I'm not sure, but here's a drawing of it. It kinda looks weird to me.
[[Image:Colt39machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A drawing of a [[M1911A1|Colt .38 Super]] converted into a machine pistol with the Muzzle break, Thompson front pistol grip, and extended magazine. Note how I suck at drawing the front grip.]]
This is what a machine pistol coverted version of the M1911A1 might look like.

Hope this helps!! - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/AO-3F3. html

that has a picture of Dillinger's actual guns.

'colt 38 super' really means 'colt 1911 chambered in 38 super' Externally a gun chambered in 38 super will look like the same model in 45acp. Dillinger's gun is a semicustom gun. Dillinger had a longer barrel added, had an extended magazine, and had the front pistolgrip of a thompson SMG added.

Tell your propmaker to copy the standard 'government' 1911, make a fake extended magazine, make a fake barrel poking out 2 inchs beyond the frame of the gun, and attach a thompson forend pistolgrip. You should be able to collect pictures of the specific parts and he should be able to cobble it together

== Purvis' Rifle ==

Nice thought with the Mannlicher-Schonauer (in fact that probably would have been more appropriate), but the rifle is definately a Mauser. The Mannlicher-Schonauer had the standard Mannlicher split-bridge receiver, whereas that has a solid Mauser action with the bolt handle behind the receiver bridge. The flat "butterknife" bolt handle was a popular feature on German sporting rifles in the early 20th century, and can still be found.

EDIT: This is Nyles by the way. My Afghan net isn't letting me log in today.

Also, I'm pretty sure that after the jail break scene in the beginning, when they hole up at the whorehouse, you see Dillingers right hand man with a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer tucked into his waistband. It's kind of hard to tell on the pirated copy I bought at the KAF market.

== Screencaps ==

Anybody know how to take screencaps on VLC media player? It's the only DVD player I have on my computer and it won't take the screencaps properly. I'm wondering if anybody knows how to do it.
:There is a screencap button on the toolbar. Are you having trouble finding the pics after you take them? You need to go to Tools, then Preferences at the bottom. Click video that is where you set up the directory where the pics go. Also change the pic type to jpeg, png's take up too much room. You can also change the pic name too. For Public Enemies you change the prefix to PE-. Hope that helps.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks, that helped a lot.
::Also sign your posts by clicking the signature button on the edit bar.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Heat

2009-12-19T23:43:28Z

BC2009: /* Trivia */

==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46.png|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009 19 December 2009

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Heat

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BC2009: /* Trivia */

==Views==

It's amazing we've reached nearly 80,000 views for this page. I remember how happy we were when it hit 50,000...which doesn't seem like it was all that long ago. Probably won't be much longer before we hit 100,000. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Over 130,000 now. Crazy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Has anyone seen this?==

http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/06/movie-guns-x.html

I'm just curious because although his list isn't as thorough as ours, he seems to have some very high-quality screenshots which look way better than those on my DVD. I especially like the screenshot of Trejo's Norinco AK, which shows the barrel and front sight in better detail. Blu Ray, perhaps?

: The clearer shots already disproved one of my own recollections and I will fix it. I could have sworn that I saw M16A1 uppers mounted onto SP1 lowers on the set. (it was fourteen years ago!) But the clearer BLURAY shots show Wes Studi's rifle to be an M16A1 lower, not the SP1 lower I thought it was. Fooey! I pulled one of those Franken-guns from the inventory (though I can't be sure if that gun ever was in HEAT) and photographed it for nothing. I will change it back. As for this guy's list, he has much clearer High Def shots, but his information isn't nearly as accurate as IMFDB's page. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

:: ''I always used to think it was a continuity error...the first shot (where he's firing at the car) clearly shows a gun with a mil-spec A1-style receiver, but it does look like an SP1 lower in the next scene, right before he shoots Kilmer. If it weren't for the Blu Ray shots, I would have continued to think this way.''

:''The guy thought the 733s in the film were M4A3s just because of the DVD title sequence. Pretty funny. I wish I had thought to nab more shots, many of the ones he took were ones I didn't bother because I thought the ones we had were good enough. Should have followed my gut. His page is a little more complete but less correct, as far as I'm concerned.-GM''
::''There's also the phenomenon of having '''too many screen caps''', something I'm seeing on some pages (look at Dogs of War, the changes that aren't mine.). I know that some guys get all excited about their ability to post screen caps, but having literally DOZENS of images of the same guns is really '''beating a dead horse''' and makes the page cumbersome and annoying to look at. The last thing I want are to have IMFDB movie pages resembling people's MYSPACE pages ... cluttered, hard to navigate and generally irritating. So far I think your ratio of 'useful' images is just fine. These other guys don't know when there is '''too much of a good thing'''. ''
::''Also IMFDB has the advantage of multiple users checking and re-checking the pages. Sure some of the pages have work to do, but they will eventually be 100% done. '' [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

::What is this so called M4A3? I've never heard of it. So after the A1, there's an A2 and an A3 as well? Are we talking about what Colt makes or what Bushmaster makes? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No such variant exists. Someone mistook another Colt variant I guess and soon it spread around as improper fact. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::I see. Well I can somewhat understand some people when they look at AR-15 type weapons as the same rifle because they all share the same basic design. I used to look and see every shorty M16 variant as an M4 before I knew more about the M4 and also used to not know that the M4 is the burst verison and the A1 is auto with the removable carrying handle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, guys, there is no Blu-Ray of Heat yet, unfortunately.
:UPDATE ON DAT ISSUE: Yes there is, now. By the way, above is me as well.-protoAuthor 19:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Bosko ([[Ted Levine]])==
The first casualty of the bank robbery gun battle. What type of gun was he using? [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 03:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:The rent-a-cop with the ankle holster? Or out in the street? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 15:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

::Out in the street. I though it was a G36K or something but I can't be sure. [[User:GoldDragon|GoldDragon]] 02:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:::''I know this is kind of an old comment, but the G36 series wasn't around when the movie was filmed (1994-95), and it wouldn't have been imported to the U.S. until 1998, about two years after it entered service with the ''Bundeswehr''. Anyway, Bosko uses one of the M16A1s with A2 handguards that are used by most of the other detectives in the shootout, including Detective Casals.''

== M4 ==

During the van rubbery DiNero and Killmer used M4s.

:No, they used Colt Model 733s. - [[user:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]
:Is a ''"rubbery"'' something like a ''"shrubbery"''? And who is ''DiNEro'' ("Money" in spanish) and ''KILLmer''? Just kidding LOL!~ ;) - [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Help! ==

Someone fucked up the pictures with Â letters, i fixed that. Now, some of the pictures don't show for some reason. - [[User:Flying Dane]]

== Fixed ==

It's okay, I fixed them. They had some long spaces in them. Alienqueen11.

== MoviePropMaster2008 edit ==

I deleted the MoviePropMaster2008 edit because of it's non-encyclopedic tone. If discussions about a certain gun in the article are to be made, I think it should be done here in the discussion section. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, that's fine, but then at the very least, you should have the courtesy to copy and paste the comments into this section rather than deleting them completely, as I have done here.

Alright. I'll be sure to do that in the future. [[User:Johnnieblue|Johnnieblue]] 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conversation on the FNC ==

MP2008 had a really good conversation going about which variant of FNC is carried by Vincent in this movie. I have now revived it for this section:

: Well, you've been very busy, [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]], though you're making an entirely educated guess (not a bad one) The 70-30 is a Para length barrel semi auto FNC designed for Law Enforcement use and sale only , so that would be a good guess. However, The FNCs on the set WERE full auto (I was there), but Director Michael Mann directed Al Pacino to fire semi auto only (which is pretty cool since police should NOT go full auto on street full of civilians). From what I remember, Pacino's gun was a pre-1985 American imported FNC 223 rem Sporter that was converted and had the barrel chopped WAY down to mimic the Para rifles and had a M16A1 style birdcage flash hider installed (see pic) by the movie armorers. FN imported American shorter FNC guns 'called' the para rifle, but the American barrels were several inches longer than the one seen in the movie, so this one was chopped down to look more like the European Para Models of the FNC.

[[Image:HEAT FNC Short.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pacino with a chopped down FNC rifle - note the M16A1 style birdcage flash hider, the original FNCs used Belgian FN FAL style flash hiders and the Para Models had an ultra short version of the same Belgian design.]]

:Harry Lu was the lead armorer (same guy who just did Rambo (2008)), but he's the head coordinator. There were a LOT of trainers and gun handlers on location - it was a big shoot with lots of actors/stuntmen handling live weapons. Lu, like most armorers, acquired the guns from rental houses. At the beginning of the filming of the Street battle, the FNCs were provided by Mike Papac of Cinema Weaponry, but the filming went a lot longer than anticipated, and rifles apparently were swapped out with guns provided by Syd Stembridge of Stembridge Gun Rentals of Glendale (according to everyone's recollection), it's been almost 14 years since that shoot so everyone is working from memory. I too must check it for sure. What I remember and what Mike or Syd or Harry tell me may differ so I will try to get a pic of Pacino's exact gun or at least get the exact model and make info. ...[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

How do you get images onto imfdb i am really stumped

:''Use "Upload File" under the "Toolbox" section (visible on the left menu, below "Search"). To actually display images in an article, copy and paste some of the code from any article of your choice (you can use the code that I used on this page to display the image of Pacino with the FNC, above).''

::I don't remember what I said to which MPM replied. Anyone remember? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Gonna fix my own pics==
Will probably be replacing the pic I uploaded of the Colt 733 since mine is actually an M16A1 with a Colt Sporter Carbine top, chopped down to resemble a 733. I am trying to get a REAL (marked) 733 that hasn't been altered by a gunsmith (that's pretty hard in this town). Too many of the guns are outfitted with outlandish RIS rails, lasers, scope mounts, and they're nearly unrecognizable. And if I'm borrowing someone else's gun to snap pics of I don't want to have to completely rebuild their gun. ;) Just giving everyone a heads up. (MPM2008)
:Is that why these guns have A2 recievers and yours has an A1? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==New pics==
How does our number 1 page look now that I added some extra shots? I'm quite proud of my Norinco Type 56-1 pic. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Comment regarding the first shot of the FN FNC section.==
The screencap you have would appear to show no one but civilians in Vincent's line of fire. However, the shots immediately before show Vincent and his soon-to-be-deceased partner coming under fire from Shirelis as he hops into the getaway car. Considering that most no one short of a robot's going to have enough wherewithal to know when to stop firing THAT quickly, it can be reasonably assumed that Vincent still believed he had a good bead. I wouldn't slight him for that one. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion of "Fragmentation" ==

Hello.

I noticed a over enthiusiastic, but inccorect passage regarding the secondary wounding mechanism of "fragmentation" in the Colt 733 article, and editted it appropriately.

Fragmentation is well documented to be a function of velocity. While certain rounds can fragment at lower velocities (ie, MK262 Mod 0/Mod 1, Nosler OTM, etc) it remains a constant that a high velocity = higher chance of fragmentation. As a result, the statement that rounds fired from the 733 fragment violently, similiar to an "explosion" is completely false.

As is documented in reports by Dr. Martin L. Fackler, and in testing, the reliable fragmentation threshold for common military 5.56 rounds (Vietnam era 55 grain M-193 and modern green tip 62 grain M-855) is 2700 feet per second. The M733 with it's 10.7" barrel will produce velocities in the low 2600 range at the muzzle (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt#3, a US SOCOM report concerning the modern MK 18, 10.5" barreled grandchild of the M733) , and as such, will not provide very good fragmentation at distances beyond punching range.

http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/project/term_2700.html

==FNC rifle update==
I changed the entry for the FNC rifle. I spoke to all of the armorers on set on this film and everyone says that the rifle was a full auto FNC (imported in the early 1980s) that was chopped and fired semi only at the behest of Director Mann. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==1911 & clones handguns==
The handgun seen on the SISs officier near the end seems to be an LA Vickers Custom, based on the Springfield Loaded pistol, with an extended magwell (you can clearly see the extension on the pistol). The LA Vickers Custom was one of the 1911 handguns delivered by Property Division to the LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom II was selected as standard issue for the LAPD (and later the Kimber SIS for the SIS officers)

:It's possible, but I dunno if you can assume that. It's always a bad idea to assume that just because a certain law enforcement agency/unit or military uses a particular gun in real life, the exact same weapon is being used in a particular movie. There are a lot of movies that depict NYPD officers using Glock 17s instead of 19s, or that depict Secret Service Agents using SIG-Sauer P226s instead of P228s/P229s, for instance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yeah sure, but it looks like they at least tried to replicate it. Well i think we can say its a Government pistol with a magwell extension.

==Empty P220 anyone==
During the ending section, where Neil shots Trejo, Van Zant and Waingro, then shoots at Hannah, he fires a total of 8 rounds from his P220. Now correct me if i'm wrong, but a P220 carries an 8 round mag of .45 ACP rounds, so when Neil is lying in wait for Hannah just before the end, wouldn't he be empty? That is, of course, if he never reloaded.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 23:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't he have reloaded?
::Perhaps he had 1 round in the chamber, plus the 8-round magazine. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::True, but that would still only warrant him one more shot.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

==Car Chase==
It's funny: I was just on the street in downtown L.A. today where they filmed the shootout in this movie between the LAPD and McCauley's gang. Remember the part where McCauley, Cheritto, and Shiherlis got in the getaway car and drove off only to be stopped by a police roadblock? They made that sequence seem longer than it really would've been in reality. When I was on Fifth Street today, I looked, thought about it, and realized: they drove roughly one block before stopping, but it seemed like a much greater distance in the film. Just wanted to point that out. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Well, what can I say...you've stumbled upon one of the nuances of direction. Depending on editing and filming, a scene like that can appear to take place over a longer distance than it actually does. Even though Mann might have only been able to get the city to close down one or two blocks for filming (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense), they can still make the scale of the battle feel larger and more epic with good direction. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh yeah, its still a great scene. In my opinion, I think it is one of the greatest movie gunbattles ever. It reminds me of the escalator shootout at Grand Central Station in ''[[Carlito's Way]]''. It kept going for a really long time because it was a very epic gunfight. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==Hanna's Guns==
I was also just thinking about this: the filmmakers got most of the LAPD's weapons right. Patrol Officers carry Beretta's and Remington's (of course I don't think the LAPD used Mossbergs, but whatever. Maybe they did, idk), SWAT carries 1911's, MP5s, etc. You get the point. But what I found really interesting was Hanna's choice of weapons. A Colt Officer's ACP with ivory grips and an FN FNC. Now those are weapons I've never heard of any American police department using. Anyways, I just thought that was kinda odd. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree but on the other hand, I think, plot-wise or character-wise Hanna's choice makes sense.
Maybe Hanna's guns were chosen for dramatic reasons, to show, how much a loner he was. You know, he's not playing by the rules, so he doesn't use the same guns as the rest of the team. And since he's the best cop ever, of course he's allowed to carry any gun he wants. Something like that. There are many movies in which the hero-cops carry stranger guns (Remember Sam Elliott playing a NY-cop with a .45 Winchester Magnum LAR Grizzly Pistol?).
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

==KP90==
:I do not think that Cheritto would be the kind of guy who would use this sort of pistol over something better like a Hi-Power or M1911. He seems like a fellow "Gun Guy", who would not be caught dead with such a crappy sidearm-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

What makes the KP90 so "crappy"?
I´ve shot a few rounds with a P89 some years ago. Can't say, it was a bad gun.

BTW I´ve always been under the impression, there are no really bad guns. Only bad shots.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 13:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter how good a shot you are if your pistol falls apart when you fire it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

And the KP90 tends to "fall apart"? Never heard of that. Any experiences?
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 07:49, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

== Chuck Adamson. The real life inspiration for Vincent Hanna.==
[[Image:St46.png|thumb|350px|none|([[Chuck Adamson]]) as Barry Dorgan in blue blazer in ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]''. Adamson was the real life inspiration for the character Vincent Hanna in ''[[Heat]]''.]]
He retired as a Lt. with the Chicago PD. He was the guy that Micheal Mann modeled Vincent Hanna after. He was a technical advisor on ''[[Heat]]'' and I believe the televison series ''[[Crime Story]]'' which was also produced by Mann.Chuck Adamson passed away on 02/22/2008. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Duct tape? ==

At the beginning, I see DeNiro's Colt Model 654 with duct tape on the handguard. Is there a purpose for it? Because this has always bothered me when I rewatch the movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that it's to either make damn sure there are no fingerprints, or help it burn with that incendiary, or help with gripping the gun some way, or just look cool. Knowing Michael Mann, it's probably one of the former three, rather than the latter, and I'm guessing mostly the grip one.-protoAuthor 19:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, we can rule out the first option because De Niro is wearing gloves. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::I thought the duct tape was attaching a stop watch to the rifle, could be wrong though. -Toadvine

== Trivia ==

Kind of cinematic/firearms related but I remember seeing a movie in the 1980's called "[[L.A. Takedown]]" and when I saw ''[[Heat]]'' I thought they had ripped off the movie. Then I read an article which confirmed Mann had made both and had considered the former a "dress rehearsal" for the latter. Anyways, I remember in ''"Takedown"'' the lead actor in the movie used a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] in the final shootout proving, at least in my opinion, Mann always managed to make the weapons in his productions as exotic as the actors in them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:Well maybe for LA Takedown, but in his other movies from Heat, Collateral, Miami Vice, and Public Enemies, the weapons weren't really "exotic". Maybe the SIG 552 used in Miami Vice, but all other guns since Heat were pretty normal. To me, it's the style of combat that is shown in Mann's movies that catches your eyes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I should have said Mann delivers a little more variety in his flicks, television shows. With most "standard" police/crime dramas they have the usual firearms (Glocks, Berettas, AR-15 clones of some sort) whereas Mann adds things like the Strayer-Voigt Tiki in [[Miami Vice]], the FNC in [[Heat]], that sort of thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Hanna also used a nickel plated [[SIG-Sauer P226]] in "LA Takedown", further proving your point. I know someone using a SIG isn't that uncommon nowadays, but it was rare back in 1989. At that time, only ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' and ''[[Robocop]]'' featured the 226. And this was the first time that a nickel model was used. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I too remember "LA Takedown". I thought it was cool to see the USAS-12 in action. I'm pretty sure it was the USAS-12 and not a Franchi SPAS-15. The only reason being that it was making the firearms writers circuit at the time, and it stood out with the 10-shot magazine onscreen. I still think that part of the anniversary Edition of HEAT should have been inclusion of LA Takedown, as I've not found a Region 1 DVD of it! - BC2009

==The new pic that Ben41 uploaded==
With the supposed M16A1 with A2 handguards. that looks like a Heavy barrel, so it would NOT be an A1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

So it's an actual A2? Should it be changed?--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:How can it be an M16A2? It has an M16A1 receiver.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Huh? The only difference between an A1 and A2 lower receiver (other than the 3 round burst) is that the back end of the A2 receiver is slightly fatter to resist cracking the ring that holds the rear buffer tube. How can you tell it's an A1 lower? I have to HOLD the two together in person in order to see the difference. Now if it's an SP1 lower, then that can be seen from a distance. If it is an SP1 lower (aka original M16 slab side) then an AR15 Heavy barreled upper receiver was installed on it. Either way, it's a franken gun and should be described in as much detail as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a franken gun. We all know that. But we can't call it an M16A2 because of the lower receiver. I'm talking about the whole receiver here. The A1 lower and the A2 lower are almost the same thing. Except for the grip if you can say that the grip is part of the receiver. But the uppers are very different. I can tell the difference between the M16A2 and the M16 in Heat because of the upper receiver. The M16A2 upper has an Brass defletor and an different rear sight while the M16A1 upper has no deflector and a different sight. Of course I don't really know if the barrel is part of the upper receiver or if it can be removed. I also don't know if the sights can be separeted from the A1 or the A2 receiver, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

==Video Game==
:I hope it actually gets made [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803002/]

:I don't know. Movie games tend to suck. It hasn't had a really good track record [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Miami Vice (2006)

2009-12-19T23:26:13Z

BC2009:

This page needs a SERIOUS revamping. Can anyone who owns the movie do this? Thanks. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Why is a picture of the S&W Sigma listed under the S&W 99?

A S&W Sigma is not the S&W 99 and does not even appear in the movie.

==The OA-93==

The picture on the left is an OA93 while the picture on the right is someone who is most likely using a K23. The biggest noticeable difference is that the K23 has a buffer tube on the end, in the OA93, the charging handle and recoil buffer are both integrated into a flat top upper receiver eliminating the need for a buttstock or a buffer tube

:It's not a K23; otherwise, it would have a regular triangular AR front sight, which it clearly doesn't in this movie. If you read our OA-93 page, MoviePropMaster explains that many of the OA-93s seen in Hollywood films have had buffer tubes installed by the armorers because it's necessary in order to make them function reliably with blanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

From what I can see, it is a K23, yes the OA-93 has been modified by armorers so that they have the ability to fire blanks, but this is not one of those conversions.
First, the gas return system uses a standard gas tube connected by a low profile gas block, which is why there is no standard front sight post. On a OA-93 there should be a return tube located above the handguard leading back to the upper receiver.
Second, the charging handle on a regular OA-93 is a side charging handle raised above the upper receiver, the charging handle on this weapon is a standard charging handle located within the upper receiver.
I'm not new to AR-15s, try consulting with others who may know more before dismissing other peoples opinions.

:First of all, I don't like your tone. There is no need for such hostility, and furthermore, the evidence you cited originally to prove it's a K23 was vague enough that I felt compelled to point out something you might not have known. Second, every K23 I have seen - either the LEO full-auto carbine or the more recent civilian pistol versions - had a regular AR front sight post. The gun in this movie does not, so unless it was specially modified, I just don't see how it's a a K23. You are right that it does have a regular AR charging handle, which the OA-93 doesn't have. Third, looking closely, I realize I failed to notice that the receiver of the gun seems to have no forward assist or brass deflector - characteristic of both the OA-93 and K23. I now suspect it may be a Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol instead.

After watching the whole finale shoot out at least seven times in HD, and looking at as many pictures of the RMA patriot as i could. i am almost certain that it is a patriot that has been fitted with a collapsable stock, and a C - More red dot sight. what perplexed me was the raised rail on the upper reciever. i did not know too much about the patriot pistol. but if someone who knows more about the patriot wants to watch the shoot out, i think they will find that it is a patriot. and the the "ruger mini 14" does not look to be a shotgun, but a rifle based on the width of the mag.

Just to add come conjecture to this- I don't think what is listed as an OA-93 in the page is actually an OA-93. It has the raised top rail caracteristic of the OA-93, However is lacking the main element that makes an OA-93- the recoil spring mounted above the barrel. Also missing is the Charging handle unique to the OA-93, mounted above the receiver in-between the rail and receiver. As someone has mentioned above, I believe it is a Rocky mountain arms patriot pistol, fitted with a full stock tube and a carbine stock. And the c-more tactical sight ofc. I have some Hires screencaps from a Blu-ray of the movie and some pics of the Rocky patriot, if no-one minds me updating the article? Also, I belive that an OA-93 does actually appear in the movie, but in the hands of one of Tubbs and crockets team in the final shootout- the dude who gets shot in the leg while moving between cover.

:The weapons in question are Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistols. These are the same pistols that were used on [[3000 Miles to Graceland]] as the same armory supplied weapons to both shows. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

:: Yeah, definitely. The 'high-rise' rail on the upper is the giveaway. Zito carries a (visually) unmodified OA-93 (only seen clearly in a few frames), so it seems odd that some guns would be modified for function (in this movie) but not others (perhaps they figured out how to run them).

-----

Just sitting here watching Miami Vice being repeated on TV (ION) and got a little humour out of the fact that all of the automatic weapons being fired on both sides, and Tubbs (Jamie Foxx) is getting the best hit ratio with his Benelli M-4, one per customer except for Yero's Bodyguard who recieves three shots.

Talk:In the Heat of the Night (TV series)

2009-12-04T00:53:35Z

BC2009: New page: I'm posting it here, rather than the main page, in hopes it may jog others memory, or perhaps they have the DVDs and can share the appropriate screen caps. Going from memory, Chief Willia...

I'm posting it here, rather than the main page, in hopes it may jog others memory, or perhaps they have the DVDs and can share the appropriate screen caps.

Going from memory, Chief William O. "Bill" Gillespie (Carroll O'Connor) carred a Smith & Wesson N-Framed revolver, not sure which caliber, but my guess is .44 Magnum. I seem to recall it having a long barrel, either 6-1/2" or the 8-3/8" variety and was blued. In the first episode, if I recall correctly, he uses it to shoot a snake that mysteriously appears in his police cruiser, in connection with the "Voodoo" lore of the area.

In one episode, Capt. V.L. 'Bubba' Skinner (Alan Autry) used a Thompson/Center Contender found in Gillespie's country cabin when pursued by criminals. It was, ironically, the only weapon he could find in the cabin, however, in at least one other episode, it was noted that Gillespie kept a hideout revolver nearby when there.

Capt. V.L. 'Bubba' Skinner used a scoped bolt-action rifle, sorry I am unsure of the make, in several episodes.

Lt. Lonnie Jamison (Hugh O'Connor) carried a FN-FAL pattern rifle in at least one episode, where they busted a drug house. Bubba carried his scoped bolt-action rifle for that bust, too.

Chief William O. "Bill" Gillespie (Carroll O'Connor) pulled a scoped Ruger Mini-14 Stainless rifle, with extended magazine for a car stop in one episode. I believe he was in a Ford Explorer, and aimed across the hood of the Explorer at the oncoming car. - BC2009

Talk:Humphrey Bogart

2009-11-05T04:22:47Z

BC2009: New page: Just a Trivia note about Bogart. Years ago in one of his articles, Massad Ayoob wrote a little piece about famous people and firearms. Mentioned was Bogart. If you notice, just about e...

Just a Trivia note about Bogart. Years ago in one of his articles, Massad Ayoob wrote a little piece about famous people and firearms. Mentioned was Bogart. If you notice, just about every movie Bogart was in requiring a firearm, the choice was Colt. Why? Military experience with Colt firearms and personal preference. I wish I'd bought that gun rag, so I could provide the proper citation for it, but alas, it's information that is stuck in my head. - BC2009

Talk:Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun

2009-10-08T18:59:09Z

BC2009:

This is a real gun??? I always thought the "S&W 3000" was just some dumb made up name for crappy spring airsoft shotguns -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
:So did I-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Yes, the S&W Model 3000 was a real Shotgun. I gave a small detailed history under the Discussion Page of "Sudden Impact" - BC2009

CSI: Miami

2009-08-10T18:22:00Z

BC2009: /* Infinity Tiki-T */

'''The following weapons appear in the television series CSI: Miami:'''
[[Image:CSIMiami-Poster.jpg‎ |thumb|right|300px|CSI: Miami (2002-present)]]

==Beretta Cougar==

Lt. Horatio Caine ([[David Caruso]]) uses a [[Beretta Cougar]] F-series pistol as his primary sidearm throughout Seasons 1 and 2 of the series.

[[Image:Beretta8045.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta Cougar 8045F .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Horatio Caine pointing Beretta Cugar.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Horatio Caine pointing Beretta Cougar]]

==SIG-Sauer P229==

In Season 3, Horatio Caine switches from his Beretta to a [[Sig Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P229|SIG-Sauer P229]] pistol, chambered in 9mm, as seen on a shooting report after Speedle's death, which he continues to use. He has racked up an impressive body count while using the gun, most notably several Mala Noche gang members in Season 4 and Clavo Cruz ([[Gonzalo Menendez]]) in Season 5.

[[Image:P229.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P229 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CSISIGHoratio.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Horatio with his SIG P229 at the ready]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 Elite==

Eric Delko is seen weilding a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226 Elite|SIG-Sauer P226 Elite]]. This is the elite model becasue of the beavertail and front cocking serations of the firearm. It is also a rail model, seeing as sig only makes railed models unless its an SAS model which the P226 Elite currently not made as an sas model.
Eric is frequently seen with his weapon drawn and was last seen shooting it right before he was shot in the leg followed by the head in season 5.

[[Image:P226ELITEleft.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 Elite 9x19mm, .40 S&W, .357 SIG with wood grips]]

==Beretta 92FS==

Numerous [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] pistols are seen throughout CSI Miami's run, both in the hands of good and bad guys alike. Horatio Caine used one in the ''[[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]'' Season 2 episode "Cross Jurisdictions" that established the Miami team, and later on in Season 6, placed a blank-firing version into his truck to lure a stalker into a trap during the episode "Cyber-lebrity". Ryan Wolfe ([[Jonathan Togo]]) also carries a Beretta 92FS which he cleans regularly—in a slightly humorous scene from Season 3's "Under the Influence", Ryan (still a Patrolman at the time) worries that he's lost a spot on the team when Horatio notes that he keeps his gun very well maintained. Unbeknownst to him, Horatio was admiring and not admonishing—Wolfe was introduced not too long after Tim Speedle had died due to a malfunctioning weapon. A Beretta 92FS also appears in the episode "Down to the Wire" in the hands of Private Investigator Kurt Rossi ([[Tom Sizemore]]) being used by Kurt to kill a woman in a parking garage.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS 9x19mm]]

==Beretta 92G Elite II==

Beginning sometime in Season 4, Ryan Wolfe switches personal sidearms, from a Beretta 92FS to a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92G Elite II|Beretta 92G Elite II]]. He was most recently seen with the gun drawn in the Season 7 episode "Smoke Gets In Your CSIs", as he and Calliegh Duquesne fired through the floor of an house's attic at a drug dealer shooting at them. He is also seen using it in the season 7 finale to shoot a Russian Mobster in the head as he is attempting to steal M.D.P.D seized firearms. (I could be wrong but I believe that this is the first time Ryan is seen killing someone in the line of duty with the Beretta Elite II)

[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92G Elite II 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Ryan with Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ryan with Beretta 92G Elite II ]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==

Eric Delko ([[Adam Rodriguez]]) uses a [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] pistol throughout Seasons 1-4. Calleigh Duquesne can also be seen at the crime lab's shooting range with one though is stopped from firing when something drips from the ceiling and lands on the sleeve of her lab coat.

[[Image:H&KUSP40.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Heckler & Koch USP .40 S&W]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==

Frank Tripp ([[Rex Linn]]) carries a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]] as his duty weapon and is frequently seen with his weapon drawn.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Frank Tripp With Sig Sauer P226.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Frank Tripp with his SIG-Sauer P226]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"==

Calliegh Duquesne ([[Emily Proctor]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]] throughout Seasons 1-4.

[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 3913 LS "Ladysmith" 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CSIMiami S&WLadysmith.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Calliegh Duquesne stands ready with her Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"]]

== Kimber Pro Carry II ==

Calliegh Duquesne switches to a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Kimber Pro Carry II|Kimber Pro Carry II]] pistol beginning in Season 5. She uses it especially during the Season 6 episode "Stand Your Ground", taking out the driver of a Dodge Magnum attempting to run her down and most recently using it to shoot and kill a Russian Mobster trying to steal seized firearms and also possibly wounds Eric Delko with it as he flees from the same scene, leaving Calliegh in complete shock.

[[Image:KimberProCarryII 1911.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kimber Pro Carry II .45 ACP with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:CSIMiami KimberPRO 1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Calleigh Duquesne aims her Kimber Pro Carry II]]

==Jericho 941==

Tim Speedle ([[Rory Cochrane]]) used a two-tone [[Jericho 941]] (also known as a Magnum Research Baby Eagle) during his tenure on CSI: Miami. Speedle had a habit of not keeping up with the maintenance on his weapon - a flaw which bit him once during the first season episode "Dispo Day", when a gunman shot him in his body armor after his gun jammed during an ambush. The incident led Horatio to give him a cleaning kit for his gun. Despite this, he still fell behind on maintenance, and when his gun jammed yet again during the Season 3 opener "Lost Son", the malfunction proved to be fatal - he was shot and killed while checking the gun. The gun's firing pin was stopped by fouling, which even after two hammer strikes, did not fire the gun, leaving Speedle defenseless to the shooter.

[[Image:Jericho941FullSize.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle" 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiBabyEagle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Speedle with his Baby Eagle at the ready]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 60 ==

Ryan Wolfe's backup gun is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]], seen for a moment in "Under The Infulence".

[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 .357 Magnum]]

==Glock 26==

Natalia Boa Vista ([[Eva La Rue]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 26|Glock 26]] 9x19mm pistol fitted with a 15 round magazine extension beginning in Season 6, after her long-awaited carry license is issued in the episode Tunnel Vision and in that same episode she used it to shoot a suspect who tried to draw a gun on her. She only shoots him in the shoulder, showing that she isn't the best shot, even after taking countless hours of training courses but shows that she is doing better. She has most recently been seen with her gun drawn when approaching a boat that was possibly used in an armed robbery/murder on a boat involving a attorney ([[Sean Combs]]).

[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Natalia Boa Vista shooting Glock 26 at the gun range.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Natalia with her Glock 26]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==

During the Season 6 finale "Going Ballistic", Horatio's son Kyle Harmon ([[Evan Ellingson]]) is seen removing a [[Smith & Wesson 5900 pistol series#Smith & Wesson 5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]] from a bag and ejecting and checking the magazine. He can later be seen with it in the episode "Resurrection" when he encounters Horatio.

[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5906 9x19mm with Novak sights]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiSW4046.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Kyle Harmon wielding his Smith & Wesson 5906]]

== Intratec TEC-DC9 ==

Several [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9#Intratec TEC-DC9|Intratec TEC-DC9]] machine pistols are used in the episode "Urban Hellraisers" by thugs re-enacting a first-person shooter video game, using them to commit vicious robberies of a bank and a helicopter, and wound a policeman at the crime lab when they try to steal the evidence by force.

[[Image:Tec-DC9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-DC9 9x19mm]]

==Heckler & Koch SR9==

In order to stop a terrorist-piloted bomb truck from crashing into a nuclear power plant near the end of the Season 5 episode "Going, Going, Gone", Horatio Caine takes aim with a [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K SR9(TC)|Heckler & Koch SR9]] Target rifle and destroys the truck with a well-placed shot. A brief flashback in the episode "Backstabbers" also shows this scene.

[[Image:HKSR9TC.jpg|thumb|350px|none|H&K SR9TC sniper rifle with factory foregrip 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiHK91.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Horatio takes aims with the SR9 (TC).]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==

During the Season 5 episode "Throwing Heat", a Cuban assassin comes ashore and obtains a [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch SL8|Heckler & Koch SL8]] to use as a sniper rifle. He shoots two cops with the gun and then attempts to kill a prominent Miami real estate figure before Horatio Caine intercepts and finally kills him first.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch SL8 5.56x45mm]]

==M1911A1==

Numerous [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]]-style pistols are seen throughout the series' run, in episodes including "Tunnel Vision" and "Devient", though it has been seen more than any other gun in the show, also twice in the episode "Resurection". Another is seen in "Smoke Gets In Your CSIs".

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]

== CornerShot ==

In the episode "Going Under", a shipment of [[CornerShot]] weapon systems are stolen by a Miami gang, the incident attracting the team's attention when one is used to kill an undercover BATF agent, leading the team to join forces with another BATF agent investigating the theft.

[[Image:CornerShot.gif|300px|thumb|none|CornerShot fitted with a Glock 17 9x19mm]]

==Glock 17==

[[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] pistols are another common weapon in ''CSI: Miami''. One notable appearance is in the Season 5 episode "Going Under", when it's seen as the weapon of choice for then-BATF Undercover Agent Jake Berkeley ([[Johnny Whitworth]]). In that episode, it is stolen and used with the aforementioned CornerShot weapon system to kill another undercover BATF agent. In "Going Ballistic", a fraudulent ammo manufacturer named Brad Gower ([[Steve Braun]]) uses one converted to full-auto fire with a 33-round high-capacity magazine (likely impersonating a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], evidenced by the lack of a selector switch) to shoot his victim Manny Ortega ([[Jay Tavare]]) when he thought he had survived a fall from a high-rise window, killing a luckless Medical Examiner that was caught in the line of fire.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Agent Jake Berkeley with his Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Agent Jake Berkeley with his Glock 17]]

==Glock 21==

In the episode "Rap Sheet", Craig Waters ([[Terry Crews]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 21|Glock 21]] to commit a murder, which they describe on the show as a ".45 ACP Glock", meaning it is a Glock 21, not a [[Glock#Glock 37|Glock 37]] in .45 GAP.

[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 21 .45 ACP]]

== FN P90 ==

In one episode, bank robbers intending to take advantage of the chaos created by an emergency evacuation in preparation for an incoming tsunami use [[FN P90]]'s as their weapons of choice. The weapons are easily identified by the team due to the spent casings of the P90's distinctive ammunition. One of the robbers later uses one in a hostage standoff with Eric Delko, even commenting on how his 9x19mm handgun wouldn't stand a chance against his P90.

[[Image:FNP90Side.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN P90 5.7x28mm]]

== AKMSU ==

In one episode, a member of a prominent Miami gang stages a hit on a rival gang, opening up on his rivals at a pool party using an [[AK-47#AKMSU|AKMSU carbine]].

[[Image:YugoKrinkov.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AKMSU 7.62x39mm]]

== Remington Model 700PSS ==

In one episode, Caine and Duquesne can be seen at a rifle range firing [[Remington 700#Remington Model 700PSS|Remington Model 700PSS]] sniper rifles.

A Miami P.D. SWAT sniper can be seen using one in another episode fitted with an infra-red night vision scope when a suspect is believed to be cornered aboard a yacht, though is unable to make out exactly who is aboard the vessel and despite orders to fire from an FBI agent on the scene, does not take the shot after Caine tells the sniper that it could be a civilian, which proves to be true.
::This scene occurred in an Episode of [[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]] (Season 2, Episode 22) "Cross Jurisdiction", not CSI:Miami, though it introduced the characters of CSI Miami, it was an obvious spin off episode to branch off into another series. MPM2008

[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington Model 700PSS with Harris bipod in .300 Win Mag]]

== Mk 2 Hand Grenade ==

Following the gang hit, the AKMSU-wielding gunman leaves a boobytrap in the form of a [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] left in a barbeque grill in such a way as to cause it to detonate when opened, the trap being triggered by a luckless uniformed officer investigating the murder. In reality, this trap would not work unless the officer ripped open the door, since a grenade has a heavy grenade pull, roughly 5lbs.It was also use in episode "Collareral Damage" to kill a family.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiMk2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|A Mk 2 hand grenade used as a boobytrap moments before exploding and killing a Miami P.D. patrolman]]

== FIM-92A Stinger ==

In one episode, a Mala Noche member tries to use an [[FIM-92A Stinger]] to shoot down an airliner taking off from Miami International Airport, though is stopped by Caine, who wounds him with a shot from his pistol just as the missile is fired, causing the missile to miss the airliner and destroy a nearby warehouse building instead.

[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FIM-92A launcher and missile 70mm]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiStinger.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Mala Noche member fires an FIM-92A Stinger missile.]]

== M16A4 Rifle ==

In one episode, a civilian at a military-themed shooting range set up to simulate urban combat in the middle east can be seen using an [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 rifle]] fitted with an AN/PEQ-2 laser system, RIS foregrip, and ACOG scope. At one point the range officials order him to cease fire just as he was about to engage the last target, to which he replies by ignoring the order and firing out of frustration, causing the body of a U.S. Marine recruiter to slump down from behind the target, though it is revealed later on that he had been killed prior to being shot and was left there by the killer. At the end of the episode, Marines shown engaged in combat in Iraq can also be seen with M16A4's, some of them also having tactical flashlights mounted on them.

[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M16A4 with AN/PEQ-2 laser system, RIS foregrip, and ACOG scope 5.56x45mm]]

== RPG-7 ==

In one episode, several white supremacists use [[RPG-7|RPG-7s]] to attack businesses owned by Cuban immigrants, being foiled for using them because they put the scope directly to their eye, resulting in a black eye from the recoil.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|RPG-7 40mm]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

In one episode, two criminals use a [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] .30 caliber machine gun to destroy a truck carrying several illegal firearms being sent to be melted down. Also noted is a [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]] submachine gun, seen being picked up by a random person when all the weapons sprawl out.

[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning M2 M1919A4 .30-06]]

==Ruger 10/22==

During the episode in which Horatio Caine's death is faked, he has an excellent marksman shoot the squib/body armor section with a high powered rifle, which is (hilariously) a [[Ruger 10/22]] .22 LR rifle with a scope and Hogue stock. In another episode, a serial number is traced on a computer, Calleigh says "got it. 223 caliber rifle." Picture on screen is a 10/22. In the CSI miami universe, it seems ruger makes centerfire 10/22s.

[[Image:Ruger1022.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Ruger 10/22 .22 LR]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiRugersniper.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Closeup of the Ruger 10/22 used to 'kill' Horatio]]

== Browning BPS ==

In the episode "Just Murdered", a man destroys his own boat with a [[Browning BPS]], which seems to be a 20-gauge, judging by the muzzle diameter.

[[Image:012211l.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning BPS 20 gauge]]

==Walther PPKS/PPK==

In one episode, a stainless [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PPK/S|Walther PPK/S]] in .380 ACP is used to shoot a pregnant woman fatally, and in "48 Hours to Life" a man shoots a woman with her husband's .32 ACP [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PPK|Walther PPK]], sporting a blued frame.

[[Image:WaltherPPKS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S .380 ACP]]

[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK .32 ACP]]

==Sa vz 58==

In one episode, Horatio describes the trade of African 'conflict diamonds' (shown in greater detail in ''[[Blood Diamond]]''), during which a montage briefly shows a miner panning for diamonds while being held at gunpoint with an [[Sa vz 58]] rifle.

[[Image:800px-Sa 58-JH01.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa vz 58P 7.62x39mm]]

==Ruger GP100==

In the episode where John Hagan commits suicide in the crime lab, the revolver he uses is a [[Ruger GP100]], as Caleigh points out earlier in the episode. Calleigh can apparently identify this wepaon by the clicking of the action as seen in another episode, where she states "that's a rare gun should be easy to find." Remember, In the CSI miami world ruger makes centerfire 10/22s. Hey, not to mention BPS shottys with 9-round mags.

[[Image:GP100.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686==

An escaped convict is seen using a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] with a 4" barrel in a gun shop that Calleigh is inspecting.

[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 with 4" barrel .357 Magnum]]

==M1A Rifle==

In one episode, a contractor uses an M1A rifle, a civilian version of the military [[M14 Rifle|M14 rifle]] to try and kill a government sanctioned target; he however ends up killing a civilian instead. It is equipped with a bipod, scope, and synthetic stock.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M14 rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==DX4 Vaporizer==

In the Season 6 episode "Guerillas in the Mist", a fictional weapon based on the [[Metal Storm Weapons|Metal Storm electronic machine gun]] (the large, multibarrel variant that has been seen on Youtube specifically) known as the DX4 Vaporizer is the primary focus of the episode. It earns the nickname Vaporizer because it is able to literally turn a human being into a fine mist of blood. Near the end of the episode, Horatio Caine ([[David Caruso]]) arrives on a Miami airfield intending to intercept the weapon while it is being sold by a corrupt PMC CEO, Darren Butler ([[Sasha Roiz]]). Said CEO sees him coming and turns the DX4 on Caine's Hummer, destroying it with two bursts. Horatio then appears, unhurt (because Horatio is the terminator.) and, quite foolishly, steps in front of the DX4, forcing a brief Mexican standoff with Butler before gunning him and the two men he was selling the weapon to down.

It should be noted the DX4 vaporizer is also the name of a vaporizer used for smoking and banned due to ability to use for smoking illegal substances. Some writer probably thought he was being funny when the name was made.
:I have this one, too. Again, I'll get some pics of this weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==M4A1 Carbine==

The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] appears in the series being used by Miami P.D. SWAT, notably to shoot a man tricked into engaging SWAT with a knife in the episode "Down to the Wire". They can also be seen being prepared for sale by illegal arms traders before being killed by the aforementioned dx4 vaporizer. The SWAT M4A1's are equipped with various accessories including ACOG scopes, EOTech red dot sights, RIS handguards, and weaponlights on the handguards.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]

== Walther P99 ==

In the episode "Backstabbers", a carjacker named Hector Rivera ([[Rick Gonzalez]]) uses a [[Walther P99]] to commit a carjacking. Horatio is also seen firing one at the crime lab's shooting range following a shootout with Al-Qadr terrorists.

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 9x19mm]]

== MAC-11 ==

In the episode "Resurrection", members of the Crypt Kings gang stage an attack on an armored car using [[MAC-10#MAC-11|MAC-11]] machine pistols loaded with a special type of armor-piercing ammo (called "fused alloy", and stated as being able to harden when sensing armor and shatter in flesh, another horribly unrealistic statement) as their main weapons. ATF Agent Jake Berkeley later delivers these guns to Calleigh, having been undercover posing as a member of the gang at the time.

[[Image:Mac m11 9k.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MAC-11 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiMAC11.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Crypt Kings gang members open up with MAC-11's during an attack on an armored car]]

== Ruger P90 ==

In the episode "Resurrection", ATF Agent Jake Berkeley delivers a bag of weapons used by the Crypt Kings gang to attack an armored car, one of the weapons being a [[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger P90|Ruger P90]].

[[Image:RugerP90Side.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ruger P90 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CSIMiamiBagoguns.JPG|thumb|none|400px|A Ruger P90 visible among the guns Agent Jake Berkeley delivers to Calleigh]]
:I also see an M1911A1 with diamond checkered grips. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Infinity Tiki-T==

Calleigh can be seen carring an [[M1911 pistol series#Infinity Tiki-T|Infinity Tiki-T]] as her sidearm for a short time before switching to her kimber, despite this $6,000 dollar 1911 vairiant being highly unlikely to be carried by or even affordable to a police officer.

"Cash for Clunkers" $4,500 rebate on her S&W? - Sorry, had to add a little humour the page. BC2009

[[Image:Tiki1 368 206.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Infinity Tiki-T .45 ACP]]

==FN FAL==

In the episode "No Man's Land", Eric Delko gets shot by a sniper firing an [[FN FAL]] fitted with a scope. It can clearly be seen when Lt. Caine fires his SIG-Sauer P229, hitting the suspect. The suspect then falls off the roof and the fixed stock and scope are clearly visible.

[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN FAL 7.62x51mm NATO]]

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[[Category:Crime]]

Talk:CSI: Miami

2009-08-10T18:19:58Z

BC2009: /* Horatio */

You over looked the Beretta Elite II that Ryan Wolfe carried for awhile.

Eric's gun has a front cocking section last time I saw it.

What is Ryan Wolfe's backup revolver in the episode "Under the Influence"?

== The grenade comment... ==

The grenade's pin is essentially a cotter pin with the ends spread. You can squeeze those ends together or replace the pin with an un-spread pin reducing the effort needed to pull the pin. Additionally, you may be ignoring the leverage being exerted by the placement of the wire/cord connecting the pin to the door.
:The pin wire is bent down and folded after it is stuck through the hole in the primer handle. Even if relief was applies, the force needed to unfold the wire would be heavy enough. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Dunno if it's appropriate to post this here...==

But I thought some of you might get a kick out of this:

[[http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/0c/Necrophiliac.jpg]]

:That's hilarious. Horatio is such an annoying character, this comic sums him up nicely. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Don't know why but the Tiki-T had disappeared since last time.

Also, saw a couple things in an episode (recent one, where Delko's living in a hotel and there's a hit attempt on him)

Man fires a revolver (unidentified, need help) and then throws it over a building. It discharges when it hits the ground, apparently having the ability to fire on an empty chamber. Also, during reconstruction of a separate gun used in the hit attempt, it is stated " definitely a different gun, at least 200 grains here, a .38 can get no bigger than 180" or something along those lines, funny I saw 200gr. lead rounds on sale.

[[User:k9870]]

Seriously, the Tiki T was delted again and by a non-user, just Ip adress. Seriously, can we lock this page from outside users or something?

== The Ruger GP100 ==

Does anyone understand the last three sentences in this description?

-Yeah, it's jsut talking about rediculous Miami gun mistakes, once there was audio of a murder. Calleigh asked to replay the cocking noise of the gun and said that it was a sound unique to the gp-100 and that it's rare. There was also a picture of a 10/22 on the computer screen and it was stated that its 223 caliber.
:Actually, in the episode in question involving the GP100, Calleigh is briefly held at gunpoint by Det. John Hagen, who was holding the GP100. Later, she and another lab tech thumb-cock several pistols (as was done to her) until she encounters the same sound and IDs the gun. Now, it being rare? Not a chance. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Horatio ==
Why the hell does he use a right handed grip with his left eye? [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Why does everyone opt not to wear body armor, and why does he make an effort to look away when talking and only say one liners? Or play with sunglasses whole episode? Do real cops kill 50 people during their career?

Q 1 : Hand and Eye Dominance. Right hand being dominant and his left eye the dominant one. Nothing unusual for those of us which have such a condition.

Q 2 : That is, IMHO, part of the whole David Caruso personana, the looking away, one liners sunglasses, hands on hips posing that defines the Caine character. Personally, his character is at the bottom of the pile of interesting for me.

Also, take note how he'll cock the hammer of his SIG before shooting, fixing Cooper's observation of the "problem" of DA semi-autos...LOL - BC2009

Talk:CSI: Miami

2009-08-10T18:19:32Z

BC2009: /* Horatio */

Analyze This

2009-02-26T23:04:46Z

BC2009: /* unidentified shotgun */

USAS-12

2009-02-18T03:39:52Z

BC2009:

[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|right|500px|USAS 12 full auto shotgun 12 gauge.]]

The Daewoo USAS-12 is based on Maxwell Atchisson's 1972 designed of the AA-12 assault shotgun
(Pictures of the Atchisson AA-12: http://www.world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh29-e.htm) In 1989, Gilbert Equipment Co.(USA) wanted to produce an Atchisson of its own. Since Gilbert had no manufacturing capabilities, it looked elsewhere for possible manufacturers. The only maker that agreed to produce the weapon was a South Korean company called Daewoo Precision Industries, part of the Daewoo conglomerate. They adapted the design to their manufacturing techniques, and mass production commenced in the early 1990s and continues to this day.

The USAS-12 in semi automatic form was available through regular chains of commerce until 1993, when then President Bill Clinton, at the behest of a gun control group (Handgun Control, Inc.), directed then Secretary of the Treasury Lloyd Bentsen to declare three specific self loading shotguns to be destructive devices under an obscure portion of the Federal Code, which allowed the Head of the Treasury Dept. to declare any weapon over .50 Caliber to be declared a destructive device by decree. The three banned shotguns were (a) the SWD/Cobray Streetsweeper, the (b) the Armsel Striker-12 shotgun and the (c) Semi automatic USAS-12. The gun control group also requested that the pump action Mossberg 500 also be banned (due to the "frightening design" of the Mossberg 500 bullpup) but Bentsen refused. It is ironic that the '''full auto''' USAS-12 shotguns were still available to Title II approved owners and dealers with no additional paperwork required, but the '''Semi automatic''' version required a 'Destructive Device' permit from the ATF to possess and transfer. Once a shotgun like the USAS-12 was 'legally a Destructive Device' the ATF restricted import of complete guns and replacement parts based on regulations from the Gun Control Act of 1968.

==Specifications==

'''Type:''' Shotgun

'''Caliber:''' 12 gauge

'''Capacity:''' 10-round box magazine, 20-round drum magazine

'''Fire Modes:''' Safe/Semi/FullAuto (Select Fire LE) Safe/Semi (Civilian Version Until the Clinton Administration, then changed to a Restricted Device LE/Military Only)

==Films==

* Used by Forrest Taft ([[Steven Seagal]]) in ''[[On Deadly Ground]]''

* A U.S. Marshall in ''[[Eraser]]''

* Van Pelt's modern day replacement weapon in ''[[Jumanji]]'' (masquerading as a monstrous hunting rifle, fitted with Scope and Suppressor)

* Used by Jeff Douglas ([[Robert Patrick]]) in ''[[Zero Tolerance]]''

==Television==

* USAF and SGC Personnel in ''[[Stargate: SG1]]''

* Atlantis personnel in ''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]''

* Used by Wings Hauser as Lt. Col. Matthew Alan "Trane" Coltrane in ''[[Lightning Force]]''

* Used by Scott Plank as Vincent Hanna in L. A. Takedown (1989), the Michael Mann forerunner of HEAT.

== Video Games ==

* ''[[The Punisher (VG)]]''

* ''[[Red Steel]]''

* ''[[Saints Row 2]]''

* ''[[Battlefield: Bad Company]]''

* ''[[Far Cry 2]]''

* ''[[Counter-Strike Online]]''

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Shotgun]]

Sudden Impact

2009-02-16T04:50:29Z

BC2009:

[[Category:Movie]]

Guns seen in this movie:

== [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] ==
During most of the movie, [[Clint Eastwood]], as “Dirty” Harry Callahan, carries his Model 29 in .44 Remington Magnum caliber.
Actually, in one of the movies, he refers to the .44 as a "lighter load". It probably refers to the slightly shorter and much weaker .44 Special from the early 20th century.
He says that he uses a lighter magnum load, not necessarily the .44 Special.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 magnum]]
[[Image:Dirtyharry2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Go ahead, make my day."]]

== AMP [[.44 AutoMag]] 280 ==
Eastwood uses also an AMP AutoMag 280 in .44 Auto Magnum caliber, in the movie.
[[Image:Dirtyharry3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Clint Eastwood uses an AutoMag 280]]
[[Image: Sudden6.JPG|thumb|none|300px|AutoMag 280]]

== [[Colt Detective Special]] ==
Jennifer Spencer (Sondra Locke) uses a nickeled Colt Detective Special as her murder weapon.
[[Image: Sudden9.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Sondra Locke uses a Colt Detective Special in “Sudden Impact”]]

== Mossberg 500 w/ folding stock ==
Horace King ([[Albert Popwell]]) uses a Mossberg 500 shotgun (12 gauge), with a folding stock.
[[Image: Sudden7.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Albert Popwell in “Sudden Impact”]]

Later, we see Mick ([[Paul Drake]]) using the same shotgun after stealing it from Horace.
[[Image: Sudden11.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Paul Drake in “Sudden Impact”]]

I believe that the shotgun held is actually a Smith & Wesson Model 3000 12-gauge pump. S&W was in the Police market with revolvers and shotguns in the 70s and early 80s. Mossberg later purchased the 3000 series from Smith & Wesson as they got out of the shotgun market. The front barrel retaining nut is visably larger than that found on the Model 500 series.

Update : I added some information on the Smith & Wesson Model 3000 under the Discussion button above. . . BC2009.

== [[Browning Hi-Power]] ==
Used by several of the mob assassins that chase Callahan.
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Browning HP - 9mm]]
[[Image:Sudden4.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Mob assassins fire at a bin, thinking that Harry Callahan is hiding inside with a Browning HP and 2 Uzis]]
[[Image:Sudden5.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Browning HP held by one of the assassins]]

Later, we see a Hi-Power (the same one?) in Mick's home.
[[Image:Sudden10.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Mick's Browning HP on a table.]]

== [[Uzi]] ==
Used by several mob assassins chasing Callahan.
[[Image: Sudden3.JPG|thumb|none|300px|One of the mob assassins aims a Uzi]]

== [[Colt Model 1903]] ==
One of the robbers, at the first shootout of the movie, uses a pistol without external hammer, that looks like a Colt Model 1903.
[[Image:Colt Model 1903.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt Model 1903 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Sudden1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|The robber points a Model 1903 at his hostage]]
[[Image:Sudden2.JPG|thumb|none|300px|The robber drops his gun as Harry Callahan points his gun in his face]]

Later, we see that one of Jennifer Spencer's victims also has this pistol.
[[Image:Sudden13.JPG|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sudden14.JPG|thumb|none|300px|]]

== [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] ==
Used by Pat Hingle, in his role of Police Chief Jannings.

== [[M1911 pistol series]] ==
A 1911-type pistol is used by the bank robber that Callahan chases when he arrives in San Paulo.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image: Sudden8.JPG|thumb|none|300px|A bank robber escapes with a M1911A1 pistol in hand.]]

== [[Remington 760/7600 Rifle#|Remington 7600 rifle]] ==
This pump action rifle is seen in the hands of Mrs. Wilburn, who points it at Harry Callahan and instructs him to leave her fish market.
[[Image:RemingtonModel7600.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 7600 pump action rifle - available in multiple calibers]]

Talk:Sudden Impact

2009-02-16T04:48:21Z

BC2009:

the Auto Mag was the ORIGINAL automag the AMP NOT the AMT. Same name, completely different weapon. [[Special:Contributions/69.23.137.224|69.23.137.224]] 07:01, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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A little history of the Smith & Wesson Model 3000 (later Mossberg Model 3000) 12-gauge Pump-action Shotgun. I hope that this will help add a little to the online history of the Smith & Wesson Model 3000 Shotgun, which seems lacking.

Smith and Wesson long held a strong police presence in the firearm market with their line of revolvers, their "Military & Police" model, aka Model 10 was long a standard sidearm for many officers. Smith & Wesson offered a broad market of Police-oriented gear as well as ammunition, adding Shotguns in the mid-to-late 1970s. The Model 3000 was a companion piece to the semi-automatic Model 1000, a gas-operated design, in their product line.

In the April 1983 issue of EAGLE Magazine, a bi-monthly Publication of Command Publications, then Sergeant Gary Paul Johnston reviewed a sample of the then new shotgun. For comparison, it was to be shot next to the Remington Model 870 Pump-action, considered the standard by which new shotguns were being judged.

Where were these differences in the two? Using a fairly new Remington, both shotguns were equipped with 20" rifled sights. This would help reduce friction on critical parts. Where Remington used flat springs, the S&W used coil springs. Parts were simplified, the ejector being mentioned. The S&W's barrel was hammer forged for both strength and precision, with a "taper bore" vs a conventional choke method as found in the 870's barrel.

The one, well-known problem with the Model 870 was being stoppage-prone, when a cartridge would fall onto the carrier and create a frustrating jam. According to the Sales Manager Johnston spoke too, this was specifically engineered out of the 3000's design.

Johnston replicated (with some difficulty he noted) these stoppages with both shotguns, to see how they compared to one another. On the Remington, he had to use both hands on the pump and have the buttstock on the ground to get it cycle. The S&W, he reported cycled and chambered the "jammed" round with relative ease.

So, he went to the next part of the test, comparing S&W's "taper bore" with a Remington Improved Cylinder choked barrel. Given poor weather (gusting wind) at 50yds, he felt they were at a draw using the Federal rifled slugs. Later testing indoors netted 3" groups at 100ft. Moving on to buckshot, was to be of more interest to him as he felt that slugs had limited use in the majority of Police usage. Tight patterns, given that each pellet becomes accountable, was paramount. Again using Federal-brand buckshot, firing four rounds at 50yds, using the standard B-21 large silhouette the Remington put 16 of 36 pellets onto the silhouette body. Repeating with the Smith & Wesson, it put 11 of 36 on the body. Things changed when distance was moved in to 25yds. Both Federal and Remington "00" buckshot was used and performed well, as the full 36 pellets stayed on the paper, but the patterns the S&W printed were tighter overall.

Having used a Remington Model 870 both personally and professionally as a Police Officer, the question would be asked, which is the better gun. He felt it was hard to answer, but winning factor was the "Jam-free" engineering.

At the time, the gun was offered with Blued and Parkerized finishes, could come with a regular stock, or the optional Choate-manufactured (for Smith & Wesson) Pistol-gripped stock or a folding-stock.

That, as I mentioned was in 1983. The movie tie-in of Sudden Impact was obvious, the Smith & Wesson revolver carried by Clint Eastwood was a stand-out co-star, and had been from the beginning. Albert Popwell, the man who played "Horace King" in Sudden Impact, of course had been in all of the previous "Dirty Harry" movies. He finally got to be "The Partner" and was well-rewarded with a Smith & Wesson firearm of speciality, their new Shotgun. Many look at the AutoMag used by Eastwood, and it did stir press back then, but the shotgun was looked over by most.

How is it I believe it was a S&W Model 3000 and not a Mossberg Model 500? Several reasons. I have a Mossberg Circular from an old gun magazine in my files, it has the Model 3000 series in it. This circular was the "New for '86" guns. Mossberg, I believe, acquired the rights from Smith & Wesson, but it didn't stay in their line very long.

A brief summary of the Model 3000 can be found in Leroy Thompson's guide on "Combat Shotguns," (Greenhill Military Manuals, 2002)

Now, for the nitty gritty. If you have the DVD, you can slow-frame through Horace's approach to Harry from the car. The shotgun is "profiled" and you can look at the bolt through the ejection port. It looks more like an 870 rounded bolt than the Model 500 Mossberg, with it's flatter design.

Also, you get an opportunity to look at the feeding port. If you look closely, you'll see the shell elevator is shiny and at the bottom of the port, not recessed into the flat of the bolt like the Mossberg design.

Added by BC2009.

Sudden Impact

2009-02-11T00:51:58Z

BC2009: Adding information to the Shotgun

[[Category:Movie]]

Guns seen in this movie:

== [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] ==
During most of the movie, [[Clint Eastwood]], as “Dirty” Harry Callahan, carries his Model 29 in .44 Remington Magnum caliber.
Actually, in one of the movies, he refers to the .44 as a "lighter load". It probably refers to the slightly shorter and much weaker .44 Special from the early 20th century.
He says that he uses a lighter magnum load, not necessarily the .44 Special.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 magnum]]
[[Image:Dirtyharry2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Go ahead, make my day."]]

== AMP [[.44 AutoMag]] 280 ==
Eastwood uses also an AMP AutoMag 280 in .44 Auto Magnum caliber, in the movie.
[[Image:Dirtyharry3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Clint Eastwood uses an AutoMag 280]]
[[Image: Sudden6.JPG|thumb|none|300px|AutoMag 280]]

== [[Colt Detective Special]] ==
Jennifer Spencer (Sondra Locke) uses a nickeled Colt Detective Special as her murder weapon.
[[Image: Sudden9.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Sondra Locke uses a Colt Detective Special in “Sudden Impact”]]

== Mossberg 500 w/ folding stock ==
Horace King ([[Albert Popwell]]) uses a Mossberg 500 shotgun (12 gauge), with a folding stock.
[[Image: Sudden7.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Albert Popwell in “Sudden Impact”]]

Later, we see Mick ([[Paul Drake]]) using the same shotgun after stealing it from Horace.
[[Image: Sudden11.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Paul Drake in “Sudden Impact”]]

I believe that the shotgun held is actually a Smith & Wesson Model 3000 12-gauge pump. S&W was in the Police market with revolvers and shotguns in the 70s and early 80s. Mossberg later purchased the 3000 series from Smith & Wesson as they got out of the shotgun market. The front barrel retaining nut is visably larger than that found on the Model 500 series.

== [[Browning Hi-Power]] ==
Used by several of the mob assassins that chase Callahan.
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Browning HP - 9mm]]
[[Image:Sudden4.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Mob assassins fire at a bin, thinking that Harry Callahan is hiding inside with a Browning HP and 2 Uzis]]
[[Image:Sudden5.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Browning HP held by one of the assassins]]

Later, we see a Hi-Power (the same one?) in Mick's home.
[[Image:Sudden10.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Mick's Browning HP on a table.]]

== [[Uzi]] ==
Used by several mob assassins chasing Callahan.
[[Image: Sudden3.JPG|thumb|none|300px|One of the mob assassins aims a Uzi]]

== [[Colt Model 1903]] ==
One of the robbers, at the first shootout of the movie, uses a pistol without external hammer, that looks like a Colt Model 1903.
[[Image:Colt Model 1903.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt Model 1903 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Sudden1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|The robber points a Model 1903 at his hostage]]
[[Image:Sudden2.JPG|thumb|none|300px|The robber drops his gun as Harry Callahan points his gun in his face]]

Later, we see that one of Jennifer Spencer's victims also has this pistol.
[[Image:Sudden13.JPG|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Sudden14.JPG|thumb|none|300px|]]

== [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] ==
Used by Pat Hingle, in his role of Police Chief Jannings.

== [[M1911 pistol series]] ==
A 1911-type pistol is used by the bank robber that Callahan chases when he arrives in San Paulo.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image: Sudden8.JPG|thumb|none|300px|A bank robber escapes with a M1911A1 pistol in hand.]]

== [[Remington 760/7600 Rifle#|Remington 7600 rifle]] ==
This pump action rifle is seen in the hands of Mrs. Wilburn, who points it at Harry Callahan and instructs him to leave her fish market.
[[Image:RemingtonModel7600.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 7600 pump action rifle - available in multiple calibers]]