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Talk:Hitman: Absolution

2012-05-31T04:04:25Z

Acora: /* Bartoli Custom */

in this screenshot you can see a rifle againts the wall, possibly a G3 and what looks like a USP in 47's hands

[http://i.imgur.com/lgn2H.jpg]

source here [http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/first-hitman--absolution-scree/1218840] [[User:Sike|Sike]] 07:18, 4 June 2011 (CDT)

:The rifles against the are FAL-type rifles, not G3s. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:06, 4 June 2011 (CDT)

I thought it was an FNC. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 11:52, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's too big to be a FNC, the receiver and 20 round 7.62x51mm magazine are from a FAL-type rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:06, 4 June 2011 (CDT)

::With the angle of the magazine against the receiver, it doesn't look like a FAL-type rifle. It does appear to have the straight magazine, implying 7.62 Nato. The stock looks a bit like a G36, and the upper receiver looks a bit like the AR-18, so I'm going to have to go out on a limb and suggest the AR-16, the 7.62 version of the AR-18. Probably totally wrong, but its worth a try. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 06:57, 21 June 2011 (CDT)
:::It's a FAL Para. Man it's so nice to be treated as a weapon-illiterate retard. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:15, 21 June 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SIG Sauer pistol ==

If the game is taking it's cues from the earlier games then the SIG Sauer will most likely end up being a P220. I can't wait for this game. It looks fantastic. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:32, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

Same here.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 20:45, 25 January 2012 (CST)

== H&K Pistol ==

After watching the 20 minute gameplay video of Absolution, I have some doubts that the pistol shown in the video (and trailer) is a USP. My main concern is that this pistol does not seem have a thumb safety (on either side), which to my knowledge all USPs have. I think this is might be a [[Heckler & Koch P2000]].

I've added two images for further discussion.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-2011-10-13-21h34m03s184.jpg|400px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-2011-10-13-21h32m32s7.jpg|400px|thumb|none|]]

:It's a Taurus PT 24/7, compare this to the screen caps. I'm changing it on the page right now.
:[[Image:Taurus 247.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus 24/7-40BP - .40 S&W]]
:[[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:29, 14 October 2011 (CDT)

::I can definitely agree with this. Good job.--[[User:Southpaws|Southpaws]] 13:53, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
:::Edited the text a bit, added screenshot.--[[User:Southpaws|Southpaws]] 14:10, 14 October 2011 (CDT)

== Hardballers ==

Did anyone else notice that the hardballers seem to fire with the hammer up and no cycling?- Qtrain.

:it seems they to in a recent trailer[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzTHY3eiWVs&feature=g-u-u]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 15:21, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== Bartoli Custom ==

The Bartoli pistol looks more like the Tanfoglio or some other variant of CZ75. The "low" slide, shape of handle, grips, safety, etc. totally reminiscent of Tanfoglio/EAA Witness. And "Bartoli" sounds like something italian, so I think it's Tanfoglio, not a 1911.
Also compensator together with a sound suppressor looks oddly.

I agree. That's definitely not a 1911. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:04, 30 May 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Hitman: Absolution

2012-05-31T04:03:59Z

Acora: /* Bartoli Custom */

Talk:Torchwood

2012-05-18T00:06:52Z

Acora: /* Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang */ new section

you really ought to add the numerous (over)uses of G36s in various episodes.
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== Unidentified Firearms/airsoft weapons etc ==

[[Image:Torchwood - G36 1.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Is that the usual scope for a G36?]]
[[Image:Torchwood - M4A1.jpg|thumb‎|thumb|none|350px|M4 derivative as seen in Season 2´s "Sleeper".]]
[[Image:Torchwood - Nickel plated sissy pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|350px|Appropriate image name, I know]]

Looks like a nickle plated [[Remington 1866 Derringer]] with either ivory or pearl grips.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

: Thank you. I´ll add it right away--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Torchwood - Walthern 1.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|]]

Possibly it's an [[FN Model 1910]] with a brushed or electroless nickle finish.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was a Walther pistol, or perhaps a Jimenez .22 copy.

: Added. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Here´s a revolver seen in "Exit Wounds".

[[Image:Torchwood - 44.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|]]

I think it's a long barreled [[Smith & Wesson New Model No.3]].--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Bt-285m.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]]

--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 16:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Seen in the final Season 2 episode:

[[Image:Torchwood - MP5K 2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]
[[Image:Torchwood - MP5K 1.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|]]

I am unsure about the weapons British armourers have, so I cant tell if this is a SP89 or a real MP5K or something else entirely. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Four position slab-sided trigger pack. More likely to be a real MP5K or (most likely) a replica of one rather than an SP89. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

: Added as an MP5K. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Torchwood - M4A1 2.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|]]
[[Image:Torchwood - M4A1 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|]]

Both airsoft firearms. The second one is shown as suppressed even through it clearly has no silencer attached. I´d like IDs on the parts used for both weapons if possible. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Torchwood - G22.jpg|350px|thumb|none| ]]

Is this based on a [[Walther P22]]? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
: I would have said a P99, but whatever. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:: I will add it now, thanks for the ident. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== weird scope on G36 ==
all it is on the G36 is a SUSAT scope so know its not the weird being that it is used by britsh army solders

No, it's not. It doesn't have the flat bit in the middle. Looks more like an ELCAN. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It is an ELCAN type. You can tell from the front of the sight casing. The mounting looks a bit odd though (but that could the camera angle, and that I'm not used to seeing them on G36s) [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

== Webley Mk VI ==
That's a Webley Mk VI. The frame is larger as is the cylinder. Also the barrel lug has the distinctive step design of the Mk VI.I went and changed it. But the page is looking good. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

: It´s a nice coincidence that I named all of the images Webley, ha ha. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 14:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

==Torchwood gun website==
Hey, check out this site:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/torchwood-handgun-61380/
--[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 14:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

==Lots of Unmentioned Guns==
There is a scene in early season 1 were Jack teaches Gwen how to shoot, they aer in a shooting range and are seen with many pistols.

==''Miracle Day''==

I saw a trailer on TV for ''Torchwood: Miracle Day'' coming to the Starz channel. Should that be considered part of this, or treated as a spin-off sort of like the various ''CSI'' series? It shows some weapons that aren't listed on the article here, such as one of the female characters using an [[M136 AT4]] to down a pursuing helicopter. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 00:49, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

Just seen it on BBC1; I picked out a SIG-Sauer P226 Two-tone (stainless slide), HK USP (possibly), a pump-action shotgun I couldn't ID, a modded M4A1, and a load of AFOs with G36s. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

Add a Glock 19 to the list. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:03, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

And a Beretta 92 standing in for an M9 (taken from a US Army / National Guard soldier) and some manner of M16A1 carbine (fixed carry handles and uniform barrel profiles, likely standing in for M4s) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:27, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

Me again. Regular M4's (poss. airsoft guns; one looked like it had the wheel from a hi-cap magazine), and old-config L85A2's. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:00, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

I think Jack's new gun is a S&W SW99. Anyone know why they got rid of the Webley? [[User:A Shootist]] 3:20, 8 September 2011

It was destroyed in Children of Earth, the third series --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 14:26, 8 September 2011 (CDT)

Oh! I was hoping he'd get another one. --[[User:A Shootist]] 15:01, 16 September 2011

== Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang ==

So, in the first episode of the second season, Captain John Hart shows up, and ends up pulling a pair of pistols in a club (About seven and a half minutes into the episode). If I'm not mistaken, I believe that they're customized Beretta 93Rs. Can I get a second opinion?

Talk:Top Shot - Season 4

2012-02-22T07:09:46Z

Acora: /* Nomination Range */

==Episode Guide==
(S04E01) "Sweating Bullets" 
(S04E02) "In the Trenches" 
(S04E03) "Shotgun Showdown" 

==Updates==
I will be updating this page as episodes air. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:54, 14 February 2012 (CST)

==Ruger Vaquero==
That's not a vaquero pictured on the page, that's a Ruger Single Six in 32 HR mag. They are a lot smaller.--[[User:James3|James3]] 08:28, 15 February 2012 (CST)
:Thanks man. I got the image from the [[Ruger Vaquero]] page which is why I thought it was correct. It has been corrected on both pages. Thanks again. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:54, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Upcoming Weapons ==

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***
Not sure what model it is but they show a [[Milkor MGL]] not sure if it is a [[Milkor MGL|MGL Mk 1L]] or a [[Milkor MGL|MGL Mk 1S]]. I also saw either a [[Browning M1919]] or a [[Browning M3]] and a [[BAR]]. They are bringing out some firepower this season!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:29, 15 February 2012 (CST)
:It was the shortened variant of the Mk 1L made for SOCOM, the [[Milkor_MGL#Mark_14|Mark 14]]. MG was an M1919A4, there was also an [[FN F2000]], [[Accuracy_International_AX_rifle_series|Accuracy international AX]] and a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|Sig pistol]], probably a P220 from the size of the barrel. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:12, 16 February 2012 (CST)

== Nomination Range ==

Did anyone else notice that they switched to a different gun at the nomination range?? I will be uploading pictures soon. Probably tomorrow. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:31, 21 February 2012 (CST)
*It's a 1911 of some sort, obviously black and I believe with an underbarrel rail. I also think I noticed an extended magwell, though why they'd put one on a pistol that will only have 8 shots, max, fired at a time, is completely beyond me. I'm more amused by the fact that the little Latin woman almost had the thing jump out of her hands when she fired her shot. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:09, 22 February 2012 (CST)

The Book of Eli

2011-08-14T06:03:13Z

Acora: /* Remington 870 "Witness Protection" Short Shotgun */

'''WORLD EXCLUSIVE for IMFDB''' The Guns of The Book of Eli.

{{Film Title|The Book of Eli}}

[[Image:Book of eli poster2.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''The Book of Eli'' (2010)]]
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==Heckler & Koch HK45==
Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) carries a weathered [[Heckler & Koch HK45]] pistol (an LEM variant as noted by the bobbed hammer and lack of external safety). Even though the pistol had just been out a year when the film was made, the filmmakers wanted it to look like an antique vintage firearm (as this film takes place in the future). The brand new HK45 was sanded and worn down to look very old for the film. In true movie fashion, Eli fires about twice as many rounds as the pistol can hold before reloading. The actual pistol is currently on display at the National Firearms Museum located at the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, VA.
[[Image:HK45 Eli.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The Screen used Heckler & Koch HK45 Pistol, carried and fired by Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) in the movie. - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:HK45 Rack.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eli racks the slide on his HK45 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:HK45Lock.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The business end of the HK45 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:EliAimsHK45.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|In the street, Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) aims his HK45.]]
[[Image:HK45 EliFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eli firing his HK45 in a clearly 'reversed' shot.]]

==Remington 870 "Witness Protection" Short Shotgun==
Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) carries a short barreled [[Remington 870]] "Witness Protection" shotgun, with various weathering and a heavily taped handle.
[[Image:Remingt870WitProt Eli.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|This is the screen used Remington 870 "Witness Protection" short barreled shotgun, carried and fired by Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) in the movie. - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:EliwalkswithRem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The iconic shot that is replicated in the movie posters, Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) walks through a post apocalyptic wasteland with his Remington 870 shotgun on his back.]]
[[Image:EliSitRem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) sits to talk with Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) with his Remington 870 near his side.]]
[[Image:EliRacks870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) racks his Remington 870 shotgun prior to an attack on the house he is in by Carnegie's henchmen.]]
[[Image:Rem870 EliFire.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Eli fires his Remington 870. He chickenwings it a bit here, but at least he actually aims it, unlike most fictional characters when using a sawn-off weapon.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Carnegie ([[Gary Oldman]]) carries a [[Browning Hi-Power]] throughout the film.
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Classic Commercial Browning Hi-Power (Belgian Mfg) - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BHP Carnegie.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the Browning HP carried by Carnegie ([[Gary Oldman]]).]]

==Beretta 92FS Two Tone==
Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) is ordered at one point to shoot Eli with his two toned [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol.
[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Two Tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. This has a Stainless Slide on a standard Frame & Barrel.]]
[[Image:2ToneBeretta.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) aims a Two toned Beretta 92FS pistol]]

==Type 69 RPG==
Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) attacks George and Martha's house with a [[RPG-7#Type 69|Chinese Type 69 RPG]].
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chinese Type 69 RPG - 70mm.]]
[[Image:Type69Aimed.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) prepares to fire the RPG on George and Martha's home.]]

== Colt Police Positive ==
A [[Colt Police Positive]] is seen at the beginning of the film, lying on the ground, unloaded, in the middle of the woods. It is never held or fired, however.
[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Police Positive - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:BOE1101.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MK II Hand grenade==
Eli uses a [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] during the shootout at the house. Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) also spies a [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] and throws it to destroy a pursuing car.
[[Image:MKIITrainingGrenade.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 dummy grenade (this is a movie prop)]]
[[Image:MKII-Grenade.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The hand grenade spotted by Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) and later thrown by her at a car.]]

==Remington 870==
Remington 870 with mag tube extension and saddle shell holder is used by one of Carnegie's men. He is seen most notably at the end loading his shell holder as anarchy breaks out at Carnegie's bar near the end of the film. Other men are seen with different Remington 870's.
‎[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with Black Synthetic Furniture - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:ShotgunChase.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Carnegie's thug fires his Remington at Eli during the house shootout.]]
[[Image:BOE1117.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BOE1125.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==AK-47 (Unknown variant)==
One of Carnegie's thugs carries an AK-47 (exact variant unknown at this time).
[[Image:Ak_54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:CarngiesGunGang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==FN FAL==
Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) carries an [[FN FAL]] - Para Variant
[[Image:Fal_para-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL 50.63 "Paratrooper" with 18" barrel - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:CarngiesGunGang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BOE003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown bolt action rifles==
Carnegie's thugs spread out to find and kill Eli. They carry some bolt action rifles of unknown make and model.
[[Image:CarnegieGunGangSearches.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BOE1112.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BOE1129.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BOE1126.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M1903 in a Mannlicher Schönauer Carbine stock ==
When Eli is walking through the town the camera pans on a man on a roof with a bolt action rifle. This rifle is a sporterized [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield M1903 Rifle]] with a Lyman peep sight and fitted into a Mannlicher Schönauer Carbine (Stutzen) stock. The military stock had been replaced, as well as the sights, and likely the parkerized finish was replaced with a blued finish. This was common practice at a time when surplus military rifles were cheaper than sporting rifles. It is the same prop featured in the film [[A Boy and His Dog]], noting the heavy stylistic and atmospheric homage already paid, as well as featuring a poster of the movie.
[[Image:M1903Mannlicher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Springfield M1903 in a Mannlicher Schönauer Carbine stock - .30-06 This is the screen used rifle (and sling) carried and used by [[Don Johnson]] in the movie [[A Boy and His Dog]] as well as in ''[[The Book of Eli]]''.]]
[[Image:BoOfEli - 1903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Gatling Gun==
At one point, Carnegie's men use a hand-cranked [[Gatling Gun]] on the house Eli is holed up in.
[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|1865 [[Gatling Gun]]]]
[[Image:CarngiesGunGang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BOE1111.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Winchester 1897 Trench Gun==
One of the weapons that George ([[Michael Gambon]]) keeps in his home is a [[Winchester Model 1897]] shotgun.
[[Image:1897.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 1897 "Trench Gun" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BOE1120.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
George's wife Martha ([[Frances de la Tour]]) uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] while defending the home from Carnegie and his men. We can see a [[Heckler & Koch MP5|MP5K-PDW]] and a [[SIG-Sauer P220|SIG-Sauer P22X]] pistol in the case.
[[Image:H&KMP5-N.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 with Navy trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BOE001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==
Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP7|Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] while she and Eli are defending George and Martha's house.
[[Image:H&K MP71A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 - 4.6x30mm]]
[[Image:BOE002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Double Barrel Shotgun==
The Engineer ([[Tom Waits]]) holds a sawed off double barrel shotgun when Eli comes into the store.
[[Image:BoOfEli - Dubbar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) hands The Engineer ([[Tom Waits]]) back his double barrelled shotgun.]]

== Colt M4A1 ==
George([[Michael Gambon]]) also uses an [[M4A1]] with foregrip and Aimpoint Sight in defense of his home.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BOE002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|George ([[Michael Gambon]]) in the background with [[M4A1]].]]

== M1 Carbine ==
One of Carnegie's men holds an [[M1 Carbine]] during the standoff outside the bar and the shootout at George and Martha's house.
[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Modern Manufactured version of the [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbine]], with standard stock, from Auto-Ordnance (affiliated with Kahr Arms and Thomson Arms). Chambered in .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:BOE1113.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Talk:Predators (2010)

2011-08-01T04:00:18Z

Acora: /* How did she know? */ new section

==Behind the Scenes Images==
===AA-12===
[[Image:Predators03a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming Royce [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Predators09a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]
[[Image:Predators08a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|An alternate angle of a behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Adrien Brody]] with his AA-12 ]]

===Minigun===
[[Image:Predators15a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] with his M134 Minigun]]
[[Image:Predators16a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew photographing [[Oleg Taktarov]] as he fires his M134 Minigun]]

===Blaser===
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]

===Custom Beretta 92FS Inox===
[[Image:Predators14a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of [[Louis Changchien|Louis Ozawa Changchien]] firing his Beretta 92FS with compensator - 9mm]]

===AKMS===
[[Image:Predators10a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|A behind the scenes shot of the film crew and [[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]] aiming his AKMS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Predator02.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa relaxes between takes against a tree. He has an underfolder AK - 7.62x39mm]]
===M1911A1===
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The dead American holding the M1911A1.]]

===MP5K===

[[Image:Predators5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo with his MP5K's. Note the barrel of his 1911 holstered at the back of his belt]]
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse

==Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????==

He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.

It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt

==anyone seen this yet?==

wondering if its any good -k9870

nm, noticed its out next week

adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner."GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" simmons 8492

== youtube content==

if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons.

Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.

== How do you know about the guns? ==

I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.

From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]

Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry Dillinger. I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

== Minigun? ==

I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17

Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2" and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5" andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and "Ol' Painless" looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.

I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?

There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive. There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it. There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive. The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun. In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.

Anyone know what tac vest and backpack Nikolai had on? --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]]

haven't seen the movie yet but could be one of these
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-LBE-Harness,53,2.htm
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-Commando-Recon-Chest-Harness,721,129.htm

==Royce==
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

looks like MEU SOC variant although I cant be sure

Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior

[[Image:KimberDesertWarrior.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol\Kimber Desert Warrior, .45 ACP.]]

Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the "II" kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a "Moron" but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911. There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out "its a Kimber narf" --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.

:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Miltec makes these vests in various colors they cost 40 dollars or something like that often used by airsofters

it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest "is up in the air."

Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o

No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber, WHAT A SHOCK! Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec.. Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]]

==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler & Koch PSG1 in the script.
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:: I dont think a sniper rifle is the best weapon to use ageist a predator.

a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. "There it is!" bang. bang. Movie over.

Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]

true, but the only problem is finding it when it cloaked

:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
:::I'm talking about ''snipers''. Snipers are hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Replaced Weapons ==

Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Cartels dont usually stroll around with super high tec wepons. A mp5 makes more sense than an mp7.

I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered "cool".--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Just seen it (spoiler warning!) ==

I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:So no "You ugly mother fucker" ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as "In your face," or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as "You're an ugly motherfucker." - Mikey

:::Yeah it's almost as bad as Terminator 3 not having "I'll be back" or "Come with me if you want to live", getting them replaced by "I'm back" and "If you wanna live come with me"... what's up with them not having trademark for the series in them? [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]

:::He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says "Ну и рожа у тебя!", which can be translated as "What a face you got on you!". No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

::::While he doesn't actually say "you are one ugly mother fucker," the Russian line "Ну и рожа у тебя!" is the exact line used by the Russian interpreter as the translation of Arnold's original in the Predator VHS copies circulating in the USSR back in late 1980's (back then, there was literally 1 main interpreter who translated every Hollywood movie pirated into the Soviet Union, in single voice). My guess is Oleg Taktarov actually knew this and suggested the line.

I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo "come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something" You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.

If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone knows what the pistol Oleg was using?

-Tokarev? It looked single stack and about the same dimensions, and would make sense, didnt see any clear shots.

-Could it be some 1911 variant? It appeared to have a lot of recoil

I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

i didnt see the doctor twist coming and thought lawrence fishburne would be a main character, not just a small role.

Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon

I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)

He does actually shoulder the weapon and fire it. His first 5 or 6 shells during the hound scene were fire from the shoulder then he pulls it down to his hip. And I beleive the reason he goes to the mechete instead of his 1911 is because it took an ass load of ammo to bring down just one using his 12g. What good would a .45 cal handgun do? Isabelle found out! (Reaper)

i love how he actually has them relaod, uses different ammo types and uses the light on his surefire forend. The bound predator was supposed look identical, they wanted a 'classic" vs super predtor battle.

So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It's possible (he never fired it, no need for blanks.) but unlikely.

What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuchillo never fired the 1911. Just his mp5ks.

No, he pulled and fired his 1911 on the Predator Hounds.[[User:Humanzie3|Humanzie3]]

Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The knife is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C -John

== The Predators ==

I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hanzo's Beretta ==

I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, as to something mostly unrelated, does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?" I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta-92FS-Vertec-SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't think you can say it's "technically two-toned". The factory Inox finish (stainless slide/barrel and alloy frame) looks almost two-tone, especially in certain lighting conditions. I don't see what's wrong with calling it a Beretta 92FS Inox, assuming it did come with that finish from the factory (instead of being a blued Beretta that was later re-finished). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I swear uploading pictures to this site is the WORST !
But here you all go...thank me later...
[[Image:Predators33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Promotional image of [[Louis Changchien]] as Hanzo with his custom Beretta.]]
Kode38

==moved from main page==
===Unknown 1911===
A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.
[[Image:Predators7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce's 1911 circled in red.]]
[[Image:Predators8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another look at Royce's 1911.]]
On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD
Black Kimber Warrior's do come with those grips stock. So I
m sure thats what it is.

-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.

Your not gonna get slide stamps as the pistol never leaves the holster, though based on the grips and odd magazine butt plate I too say kimber

The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.

Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.

Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. It was standard with nickle finish. Pretty sure Cuchillo's was the same prop.

Dead soldier with hole in his chest also had a 1911 with the slide locked back in his hands. Funny, they said he was supposed to be in Afghanistan but was wearing tiger stripe!

--Cuchillo's sidearm wasn't "standard". It was customized with some kind of ornate plating. -- [[User:Warejaws]] 19:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I think spades is right. Unfortunately we will never know unless we contact the armorer. =(

So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with this. There is no clear shot of the slide marking showing the Kimber logo here, and there are MANY models of 1911 pistols with coyote brown micarta grips on them aside from Kimber's. This should be classified as an Unknown 1911 Government Model since there is no proof of the pistol even being made by Kimber, let alone being the specified model.

:''After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind. On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/
:''While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons. For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from [[Predator]]) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

You can see the compensator sticking out the end of his holster in the above pictures, so they got that part right. K38

:There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Royce1911.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Unknown M1911 Variant===

When the group finds the dead american, an as-of-yet unidentified M1911 pistol can be seen in his hand, slide locked back.
[[Image:Predators43.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]

Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm

===Unknown Handgun===

Nicholai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.

It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.

Im fairly certain it was a tokarev

Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.

It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.

The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.

He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

-TOKAREV TT33... Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all. The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber. Sad to say but true. Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts. I own one. I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own). The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev. That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean. :?)

The CZ 52 does hold 8 rounds. =)

But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine

No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the above user who says however, not to doubt his knowledge about the TT33 on power, but comparing it to a .45 is just not possible. You're talking about two cartridges that are completely different. The .45acp is large and slow moving (roughly 850fps on average)whereas the 7.62x25 is medium in both of these areas. Also the CZ52 is not more powerful due to its chambering mechanism, however it does allow a person to make loads that are much, much hotter than those for the TT33. I've seen them loaded to ridiculous levels that I swear in anything else would make the gun explode. I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but I didn't want someone who was uninformed to misinterpret his post.

=== The "Vietnam-Era" Claymore ===

"When Nikolai (Oleg Taktarov) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine on the table. '''He's startled because its a Vietnam-era Claymore, revealing just how long Noland has been on the planet'''. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later. "

This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way.

but remeber at the begining of the movie that Royce mention that the sun had not moved scince they got there. there is no way of telling how long a day is on that planet. not to mention the extreme weather changes, hotter than and asia summer during the day and cold enough at night to see your breath (like a desert). it's possible that nolan means seasons in the sense of the weather had changed from summer to fall, etc. instead of like hunting seasons. - 400zombienation

I am not saying that Noland has been there for 20days only. I would not think you loose your mental health in 20 days. Just how that sentence was worded makes it seem like he was born and raised there.

There were no new predators being dropped in. Those cages were animals that they also hunt. They would probably have to wait at least a year for more predators to show up, assuming by that line that the seasons are 3 years long, or Noland's gone bonkers and lost track of time.

:For all we know the prey was being dropped in batches. Royce and the first group could have just been the first delivery to the planet for the current season. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

A vietnam era claymore doesnt mean hes been there that long, there were authentic samaurai swords, does that mean he lived in feudal japan? Hes scvenged from people who were there a while.

Sorry to post as an anon, I generally lurk but I had to say something on this on.

:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in "[[Apocalypse Now]]" as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:ApnowM60-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Laurence Fishburne before he was kidnapped by aliens]]
[[Image:Predators06a.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Looks like He has had no problems finding food on a hostile alien planet for more than 40 years.]]

Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away.
Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. "10 seasons" bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able.
Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy

:well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Pics of Noland here - http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/ev/predators-5-lg.jpg - & here - http://aliensandpredators.tumblr.com/photo/1280/740047511/1/tumblr_l44oyqMAqd1qa1o5z - You can clearly see the Tiger Stripe combat trouser; RVN Jungle Jacket with arms cut off; plus the ancient samurai helmet Noland is using to mount the Predator mask (sorry don't know how to embed the images :\ ) - Skippy

===Weapons Cache===

i don not see a car-15 or model 29, where are you seeing it?

I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It was in the script........

But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.

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[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

===Tattoo===
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each.
First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]

[[Image:Alien.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]

===New Royce Pic===
Heres a new pic i stumbed across to help with the ongoing mystery 1911 battle. You can see the compensator poking out of th bottom of the holster so maybe hot toys fig did get the gun right this time?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dUHqPRiZ0wQ/TBiYcZbpdGI/AAAAAAAAAI0/nmycSlQfTys/s1600/predators-pic-6.jpg

--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What is it with this movie and compensators? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:Or threading for a supressor. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

::Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U

Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )

Pic: http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/

It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.

===UCP Camo===
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?

Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38

Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?
::::Mercs can wear whatever suits them, unrestricted by military regulations ... and SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.

During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Mercenaries can wear pretty much what their companies (in the case of PMCs) allows them to, the only restriction being they must not wear any camouflage pattern being used by one of the "regular" armies fighting. I guess that doesn't apply to the camo you put on your weapon... Arthan, 2011/05/08

===Blaser R93 LRS2===
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler & Koch PSG1 described in the script). In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale. She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.

[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum. The rifle is usually outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]
[[Image:Predators04a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) aims her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope.]]
[[Image:Predators05a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of the high tech scope used by Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) on her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]
[[Image:Predators13a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A behind the scenes shot of a cameraman filming [[Alice Braga]] with her Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper rifle with Elcan DigitalHunter scope]]
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|600px|Better view of Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]

Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&productid=246)

What leads you to that conclusion? -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).

The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.

Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38

and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492

Has no-one else noticed for some reason this rifle seems to give off no recoil whatsoever? TheTrueNight

Strange choice. I don't think the Blaser is even used by IDF. - [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 22:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

=== Royce's Knives ===

After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the "dogs".

Thanks for the help.

Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C

[http://www.topsknives.com/images/107c.jpg Tops 107C]

[http://www.topsknives.com/images/107d.jpg Tops 107D]

The machete of Royce is the same machete seen in the first movie "Predator" carry by billy...
The machete of the first movie is custom handmade by the knifemaker Jack Crain...
Also in 1985 Jack Crain have made the "Life support" set of knives seen in the movie "Commando"

==Predator Hounds==
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy. [[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]]

He only chops its head off, actually. Arthan.

== Danny Trejo ==

why is it that the guns Danny Trejo used in the movie does not appear on his bio page?
::Also SIGN your posts! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
::Look again --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Predator 2 ==

Did they retcon away Predator 2? When Isabelle tells the group what she knows about the Predators, she seems to have a lot of info regarding the events of Predator 1, based solely on the testimony of two survivors and no witnesses, yet she doesn't make any mention of the events of Predator 2, which had three survivors and dozens of witnesses. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, I think she had some info on the events of Predator because she came from the village/near the village the thing took place in Pred 1. Or I think, she mentioned something that she was from near where the thing happened. And, no, I don't think they retconned the second one, they just ignored it. Doesn't mean it's not in the official canon. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Well, she couldn't have been around there, it the events of Predator 1 occurred twenty-five years ago, and she doesn't olook like she's older than 35. Even if she was around that area later, she has a lot of detailed information for what was basically an urban legend. (no witnesses) And she can't be from the area, she's IDF. (Although I suppose she can be a Jewish Guatemalan...) It just seemed weird to me that she would have that much info, but not kick in the fact that "ten years later, a cop in LA claims to have killed one in hand to hand combat, and we captured some of their technology." --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Her testimony isn't perfect so think of it as a script error. Like many movies in the 80's, Predator took place in "Val verde" a Hollywood invented place to make the villain, Issabelle says that is happened in Guatamala. just food for though [[Special:Contributions/174.55.154.230|174.55.154.230]] 19:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Man Pack Minigun ==

Alright, so in the scene where the Predators kill Mombasa and attack the rest of the group, Nikolai can be seen firing his Minigun while walking. He distinctly takes three or so steps while firing the weapon. Furthermore, while he does this you can see the power cables coming from the weapon actually loop around behind the actor and lead back into his backpack. There are no other obvious cables present. It seems clear to me that he was carrying the batteries for the weapon in his backpack. It saves the crew from having to hide the cables or make sure they are just outside of frame and makes things easier... however, if you are going to hide a set of cables that leads to the gun control unit that is being operated by an armorer off set, it doesn't seem like you are gaining much, since, correct me if I'm wrong, but the power source plugs into the GCU, and the GCU is connected to the motor on the gun. If you have the GCU off camera, hooking the batteries up to that is trivial. So the question I pose is: Is it possible that Oleg also had the GCU stuff in his backpack as well, and that the trigger he was squeezing, was live?

I know the armorer for G.I.Joe and Transformers 2 mentioned that the ammo pack they crafted also stored batteries for the gun, which again seems trivial since the firing scenes in both of those films are poorly lit and the shots are framed in such a way that batteries and the GCU could easily be hidden off camera with no problems. Has anybody heard about Miniguns being operated by actors themselves in recent films? Any armorers care to comment?

==Royce's AA-12==

Is it me or are there scenes where Royce fires non Frag 12 rounds? He's obviously using them at the Predator camp, but during the dog attack it looks like he is using some other kind of ammo. [[Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]
:nope, he does in fact use two different types of ammo. If you look, he has a MOLLE pouch on the small of his back, which most likely has another drum mag, which possibily carrys the Frags. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Another question about the AA-12. If you look at the third picture, you can see that the camo pattern looks like it's bending/curving around the ejection port. It makes me think that the camo pattern is some kind of cloth slipped over the AA-12. What are your thoughts?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 16:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

its McNETT Camo Form Protective Camouflage wrap. Its a strtching fabric wrap that sticks to itself and improves your grip on the firearm.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

== How did she know? ==

Okay, so, at one point in the movie, Isabella, an IDF sniper, talks about how a special forces team with a CIA liaison encountered a Predator in the jungles of South/Central America and only one man made it back. This man (Arnie from Predator, obviously) gave a debriefing about the Predator. My question is, how would she know? She's an IDF sniper, for fuck's sake! I mean, she's not an American CIA operative or government official, and they'd be the first to be told, and she's not an American Special Forces operative, who might not even be told about it, since it's definitely not a widespread incident, and they really don't have any reason to think it's gonna happen again. Hell, she's not even an Israeli Government official or an Israeli intelligence officer, who would almost certainly be the only ones told if America even decided to let their allies know about an isolated incident halfway around the world from them. Let's say that America decides to tell their allies, including Israel, for some reason. Why would a lowly sniper be told? She's not important, in the grand scheme of things. She's just a gun on the ground who happens to be a lot better trained then most others. But hell, if she knows, why doesn't Nikolai? He's a Special Forces operative from one of America's allied countries, too! [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:00, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Burn Notice

2011-07-29T00:20:06Z

Acora: /* Spoilers: The murder weapon in Season Five */

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party but that looks like a S&W 645 to me because of the exposed screws. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's great to know I'm not seeing things :) I've always thought that gun was either a 645 or an earlier (I think) version of the 659 with small iron sights. But I just kind of deferred to all the other guys' experience on this one and kept quiet. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]]

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

they assault rifle Fiona got from Seymour (arms dealer) was an M4A1 carbine with what appeared to be an Ampoint (possibly ACOG) anpeq-2 and some type of verticle grip. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone is dissing Bruce Campbell firing the MP5 PDW without using the sights. I just saw a show on Discovery channel about the Iran hostage crisis and it interviewed two former SAS operatives. Its standard for them to point shoot small arms with intense practice and instinct in close quarters. Afterall Sam is a former SEAL. --~~

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==SIG not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a P226

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

ha ha that funny . but id rather hang with michael . i like him . maybe pick up a few things . fight moves , learn to speak russian , and some super cool
spy stuff. im happy its on tonight. simmons 8492

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

damn right brother , i love this show so much . simmons 8492

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg|thumb|none|400px ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911). And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now. Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==S04E06==

Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :<.

==S04E09==
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&K P30 on Michael

== Breaking Up By Season? ==

The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season. The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season. Thoughts? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe

== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the "laser targeting assist" she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 870==

wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the "water shell" is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
[[Image:Burn 266.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Burn 267.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the "water round." No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the "residue" could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Robert Patrick==

Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Jessie's Rifle==

Anyone know what Jessie was using when he "shot" Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

It's listed on here as a Colt Model 933 but I don't think it is. If you look at the rail and the front sights it looks like a HK416 to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:02, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

== Not a Remington 700? ==

Is this not a Remington 700? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]
I don't think this is correct, at least based on the picture of the 700PSS provided. Look at the bolt handle, not what on a factory Remington 700. And the stock is too glossy and smooth looking to be a tactical rifle

== H&K P30 or HK45? I think this gun is misidentified. ==

This looks more like a Heckler and Koch P30 than an HK45. They are very similar looking except the external safety on the HK45, the bottom of the magazine is different, and the HK45 is larger.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/41/BurnS4_309.jpg/500px-BurnS4_309.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c8/HH45.jpg/400px-HH45.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/12/HK-P30.jpg/350px-HK-P30.jpg

(I tried to post the pictures but couldn't get it to work). Notice the difference in the bottom of the magazine. The HK45 is also a full-size, the P30 is a compact. Notice the slight difference in the length of the slide. The gun in his hand looks more like a compact, and the slide looks shorter than the HK45. I'm new, so I'm not going to change anything myself. Just a suggestion.

SnakeDoc

Its definately A P30.. you can tell by the trigger guard

== New sidearm for Weston in Season 4? ==

The attached picture from Burn Notice may show Weston carrying an HK P30 9mm. (Again, I can't figure how to embed the picture).

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/113/1135169/burn-notice-20101117073255292_640w.jpg

It is a publicity still from the latest episode (aired in late November). If I recall the episode correctly, he drew the gun on his own (didn't recover it from someone else) and used it to shoot a fake chemical weapon cannister filled with tear gas and pesticide.
It looks like an H&K to me ... too small to be an HK45, not square enough to be a USP Compact. I'm pretty sure it isn't Weston's usual Sig, though I am unsure if it represents a permanent change in sidearm of choice.

Hope not, SIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HK, like is way better.

Its definatetly a P30. Personally i think a new gun would be good the P228 is outdated and is used by everybody in most T.V shows so a new gun like the P30 would be good.. OR stay with Sig and get the P229 E2

honestiy , i like the P228 with him . its been with him since the pilot so i say , if it aint broke dont fix it simmons 8492

Its his signature weapon, seriously signature weapons cant be changed.

:Yep, it's official: Michael Weston has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. I was a bit disappointed, as I hoped he would just get a newer SIG (i.e. the P229R, SP2022, or P250), but P30 it is. I figured it was inevitable at some point he was gonna switch sidearms. Actually, I'm surprised he had the 228 for as long as he did, considering the assortment of new(er) pistols that have been used by other characters on the show (like the Walther PPS, FN Five-Seven USG, and Springfield XD, among others). I would have figured it's a rule in Hollywood that the protagonist always has to have the best gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

XD was only briefly shown in one episode, I believe 5-7 was too. Look at Sam, conealing a beretta the whole series, Fiona likes her ppk and michael had a SIG. Now I have to see a HK.......Sigh. A PPS may be a better choice for a new gun for Fiona. And the 92 is a beast, maybe something SIG sized for Sam would be appropriate, hes also a former seal so it would make sense.

: Signature weapons can change occasionally. Jack Bauer switched from a Sig to an H&K USP Compact between Seasons 2 and 3 of 24 (he used the USPc for the remaining seasons). I don't mind the change. I actually like the P30 quite a bit personally, so its good to see it getting a bit more publicity. -- SnakeDoc

I hate HK, I mean, a rail that only takes their special accessories, instead of a standard rail everybody else uses, since there you know, too good for a streamlight or what not, and they got a mag release on the trigger guard instead of the grip. The sig is compact, accurate, reliable, and has the ergos right.

-k9870

: The P30 has a standard rail.

-looks like the 228 is back in the finale ;)

Agreed the Sig is back for the finale show down... I agree i'd love to see him make the practical and logical step to a Sig P229R DAK... because in a adreneline situation who wants to remember long pull short pull---ST0NEFIELD

::Me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:26, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

-Can we get some pictures of him using a P30 because I can't find any

:Who keeps deleting the line about Michael Westen changing his sidearm to a P30? I added it once, it got deleted, I added it again, and it is deleted again. I am going to add it again (along with some pics), and I ask that whoever keeps deleting it stops. Thanks.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:05, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

He has reverted back to the HK P30 as of the first episode of the fifth season.

Did any other Sig-Sauer fans feel a little sad that Michael Weston left us for HK? --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 13:57, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Yes, me! I was not happy at all. The P228 seemed to fit him so perfectly. I'm not a fan of HKs overpriced stuff. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:44, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Don't get me wrong, the P30 feels GREAT in the hand, but its too damn expensive. Same with the USP, feels okay, but is way too overpriced. SIG-Sauer is still expensive, but you get what you pay for. BTW, if you didn't know I am a DIE-HARD SIG-Sauer fan (except for the new E2 or whatever, hate that) and I wish they would have given him a P229R or even a SIG-Pro, idc which model of SIG-Pro. Both in DA/SA of course. I could rant on SOOO much longer, but I have to stop myself.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:54, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Isn't the E2 now pretty much what the standard for what a P226 looks like now?--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:25, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

:Yes, and it makes me SOOOO mad that they didn't at least keep the standard grips availiable for people that prefer them. Plus, they changed the slide of the P229 to where it looks just like a P228R.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:03, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

It's only like when they made all of the pistols with a rail. I hate the railed frame it looks so ugly. I'd prefer them to offer at least a "classic" version with original grips and no rail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:14, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

:I like both frames, and I think they should have kept all three as an option. You could choose unrailed or railed, then choose the grips (classic P226, newer style, or E2).--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 11:08, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

Sounds good. Let's contact SIG Sauer with our idea lol. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:36, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

I thought it was a nice change to see him with a new sidearm. Its like when they changed weapons in Stargate from the MP5 to the P90

Finally the SIG has been completely phased out in Season 5 Episode 5 'Square One'. Fiona melts it with thermite(?). --[[User:Devang.home47|Devang.home47]] 21:53, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

== Pistol in S04E15 "Brotherly Love" ==

Did anybody notice the gun that Michael gave to Sam in the loft, the one that he said that Fiona had modified to fire 3-round bursts? It only showed it for a second, so I didn't get a good lock at it, and I was just wondering if anybody here did and recognized it --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

HK VP70, I think. He probably meant Fiona altered it to fire burst without the stock attached.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that does indeed look like what I saw. Never even heard of that pistol before, and I consider myself somewhat of a gun nut, so it's cool to learn about a new gun. It's kind of neat how they build the selector switch into the stock mount. Thanks for the info! --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

Do you think there is any reason they chose to modify a VP70 rather than just use a 93R or G18? It just seemed odd to me that they used a relatively obscure pistol for this role. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 07:26, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

:VP70 is hardly obscure, role in Aliens + first polymer handgun evar. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:53, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

::But it was best known for its role as Leon S. Kennedy's sidearm in Resident Evil 2. Thanks in no small part that it was called by its real name, aww, the good old days. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:47, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I suppose you are right, it isn't that obscure to those that frequent this website. It is one of the things that makes me love this show so much; their accuracy, attention to detail and choice of equipment make it a different cut to most junk on TV these days. It is still a bit of a surprise that they chose to modify, unless this is a wink to Fi's associates and maybe Seymore, the arms dealer? --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 17:31, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

I just did a bit of research on the internet and found out that the VP70M had a selector built into the detachable stock that allowed semi-auto or three round burst. So my question about why they didn't choose a burst pistol now looks a little dumb. Thanks for the comments though. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 18:53, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

== Mike's Holster ==

Anyone have any clue what holster Mike uses? You don't get a lot of good looks at it, but you get a fairly good one in Season 1's 'Unpaid Debts', when he's walking away from the screen after they kidnap the brother of the pimp. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

It changes. Ive seen an iwb, a Small of back serpa, mexican carry, etc.

==Jesse's Rifle==

Okay, dont attack me for this but i think in season 4's guilty as charged Jesse is using a HK416. Look at the gas black, Hk front sight and the lower side rails. With all the othe Hk love in series 4 it wouldnt be too abnormal to have a 416 turn up --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

How does one go about submitting alterations? In the Episode "Good Soldier" (S2E9) a pistol is listed here as being a S&W 459. I looked a the episode on DVD and it looks like a Kimber SIS. The forward and rear slide serrations are very distinctive.

==639==

Seth Peterson uses a 639 as opposed to a 4006. The front sight is fixed and the trigger guard is round without serrations, features of a second generation, and it also has a single stack frame.

==Beretta Cougar?==

I just noticed this in 3x13 Partners in Crime. It's the gun Michael hands Nate when he asks to keep an eye on mom though it doesn't get used in the episode. Initially I thought it was a Px4, but after brightening it looks like a Beretta Cougar.

Picture (brightened for clarity):

[[File:Burnnoticecoug.jpg]]

- IGemini - 18:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Yep, It's a Beretta Cougar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:16, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

== The Fall of Sam Axe? ==

So, as to the new 'movie', are we making a separate page for it, or are we just adding it all to this one? Personally, I think we should make a new page, since this one is getting kinda long. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:53, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Yes, since it is a separate movie, it will get a separate page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:05, 18 April 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. It's up on Hulu currently, if anyone wants to start getting screenshots. I'll go back and compile a list of weapons in a while. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:03, 18 April 2011 (CDT)
== MP5 (S4 Finale) ==
I am not entirely sure, but I believe that the MP5s used by Vaughn's men in the Season 4 finale (Last Stand) are of the A5 variant, based on the 3-position; collapsible stock, and the HK "3 round burst" trigger group. This can be clearly seen when Michael, Fiona, and Jesse are at the elevator shaft, talking with Vaughn; Michael's MP5 is slung, with a somewhat clear shot of the fire selector. I can upload a screenshot if necessary. --[[User:Progamer7100|Progamer7100]] 11:23, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

==Season 5==
Just watched the seasons premiere, no new guns to report all have previously been covered on the page. Wondering if the new series Suits on the same network contains any guns and deserves a page. I'm gonna watch it asap anyways (: [[User:Noe|Noe]] 15:35, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

== Spoilers: The murder weapon in Season Five ==

I'll try not to spoil anything for anyone who hasn't seen the newest episodes, but I'd like to ask something, since I'm not extremely familiar with SIG pistols, or atleast, I'm not too good at identifying them when I only get a quick look at them. Still, in one of the recent episodes, Mike heads to the CIA headquarters for a debriefing, and finds '''Spoilers!''' his contact, dead on the floor with a SIG pistol beside him. Mike melts this gun down using thermite in the next episode. Now, like I said, I'm not too good at identifying SIG pistols, but to me, it looks like a P226 or possibly a P220. Can anyone verify this and possibly grab a decent screencap? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 11:58, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

:It was a P226. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:22, 26 July 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for the clarification. Now, can someone get a screencap of it?

Talk:Burn Notice

2011-07-26T16:58:21Z

Acora: /* Spoilers: The murder weapon in Season Five */ new section

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party but that looks like a S&W 645 to me because of the exposed screws. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's great to know I'm not seeing things :) I've always thought that gun was either a 645 or an earlier (I think) version of the 659 with small iron sights. But I just kind of deferred to all the other guys' experience on this one and kept quiet. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]]

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

they assault rifle Fiona got from Seymour (arms dealer) was an M4A1 carbine with what appeared to be an Ampoint (possibly ACOG) anpeq-2 and some type of verticle grip. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone is dissing Bruce Campbell firing the MP5 PDW without using the sights. I just saw a show on Discovery channel about the Iran hostage crisis and it interviewed two former SAS operatives. Its standard for them to point shoot small arms with intense practice and instinct in close quarters. Afterall Sam is a former SEAL. --~~

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==SIG not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a P226

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

ha ha that funny . but id rather hang with michael . i like him . maybe pick up a few things . fight moves , learn to speak russian , and some super cool
spy stuff. im happy its on tonight. simmons 8492

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

damn right brother , i love this show so much . simmons 8492

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg|thumb|none|400px ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911). And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now. Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==S04E06==

Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :<.

==S04E09==
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&K P30 on Michael

== Breaking Up By Season? ==

The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season. The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season. Thoughts? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe

== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the "laser targeting assist" she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 870==

wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the "water shell" is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
[[Image:Burn 266.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Burn 267.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the "water round." No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the "residue" could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Robert Patrick==

Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Jessie's Rifle==

Anyone know what Jessie was using when he "shot" Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

It's listed on here as a Colt Model 933 but I don't think it is. If you look at the rail and the front sights it looks like a HK416 to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:02, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

== Not a Remington 700? ==

Is this not a Remington 700? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]
I don't think this is correct, at least based on the picture of the 700PSS provided. Look at the bolt handle, not what on a factory Remington 700. And the stock is too glossy and smooth looking to be a tactical rifle

== H&K P30 or HK45? I think this gun is misidentified. ==

This looks more like a Heckler and Koch P30 than an HK45. They are very similar looking except the external safety on the HK45, the bottom of the magazine is different, and the HK45 is larger.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/41/BurnS4_309.jpg/500px-BurnS4_309.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c8/HH45.jpg/400px-HH45.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/12/HK-P30.jpg/350px-HK-P30.jpg

(I tried to post the pictures but couldn't get it to work). Notice the difference in the bottom of the magazine. The HK45 is also a full-size, the P30 is a compact. Notice the slight difference in the length of the slide. The gun in his hand looks more like a compact, and the slide looks shorter than the HK45. I'm new, so I'm not going to change anything myself. Just a suggestion.

SnakeDoc

Its definately A P30.. you can tell by the trigger guard

== New sidearm for Weston in Season 4? ==

The attached picture from Burn Notice may show Weston carrying an HK P30 9mm. (Again, I can't figure how to embed the picture).

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/113/1135169/burn-notice-20101117073255292_640w.jpg

It is a publicity still from the latest episode (aired in late November). If I recall the episode correctly, he drew the gun on his own (didn't recover it from someone else) and used it to shoot a fake chemical weapon cannister filled with tear gas and pesticide.
It looks like an H&K to me ... too small to be an HK45, not square enough to be a USP Compact. I'm pretty sure it isn't Weston's usual Sig, though I am unsure if it represents a permanent change in sidearm of choice.

Hope not, SIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HK, like is way better.

Its definatetly a P30. Personally i think a new gun would be good the P228 is outdated and is used by everybody in most T.V shows so a new gun like the P30 would be good.. OR stay with Sig and get the P229 E2

honestiy , i like the P228 with him . its been with him since the pilot so i say , if it aint broke dont fix it simmons 8492

Its his signature weapon, seriously signature weapons cant be changed.

:Yep, it's official: Michael Weston has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. I was a bit disappointed, as I hoped he would just get a newer SIG (i.e. the P229R, SP2022, or P250), but P30 it is. I figured it was inevitable at some point he was gonna switch sidearms. Actually, I'm surprised he had the 228 for as long as he did, considering the assortment of new(er) pistols that have been used by other characters on the show (like the Walther PPS, FN Five-Seven USG, and Springfield XD, among others). I would have figured it's a rule in Hollywood that the protagonist always has to have the best gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

XD was only briefly shown in one episode, I believe 5-7 was too. Look at Sam, conealing a beretta the whole series, Fiona likes her ppk and michael had a SIG. Now I have to see a HK.......Sigh. A PPS may be a better choice for a new gun for Fiona. And the 92 is a beast, maybe something SIG sized for Sam would be appropriate, hes also a former seal so it would make sense.

: Signature weapons can change occasionally. Jack Bauer switched from a Sig to an H&K USP Compact between Seasons 2 and 3 of 24 (he used the USPc for the remaining seasons). I don't mind the change. I actually like the P30 quite a bit personally, so its good to see it getting a bit more publicity. -- SnakeDoc

I hate HK, I mean, a rail that only takes their special accessories, instead of a standard rail everybody else uses, since there you know, too good for a streamlight or what not, and they got a mag release on the trigger guard instead of the grip. The sig is compact, accurate, reliable, and has the ergos right.

-k9870

: The P30 has a standard rail.

-looks like the 228 is back in the finale ;)

Agreed the Sig is back for the finale show down... I agree i'd love to see him make the practical and logical step to a Sig P229R DAK... because in a adreneline situation who wants to remember long pull short pull---ST0NEFIELD

::Me.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:26, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

-Can we get some pictures of him using a P30 because I can't find any

:Who keeps deleting the line about Michael Westen changing his sidearm to a P30? I added it once, it got deleted, I added it again, and it is deleted again. I am going to add it again (along with some pics), and I ask that whoever keeps deleting it stops. Thanks.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:05, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

He has reverted back to the HK P30 as of the first episode of the fifth season.

Did any other Sig-Sauer fans feel a little sad that Michael Weston left us for HK? --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 13:57, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Yes, me! I was not happy at all. The P228 seemed to fit him so perfectly. I'm not a fan of HKs overpriced stuff. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:44, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Don't get me wrong, the P30 feels GREAT in the hand, but its too damn expensive. Same with the USP, feels okay, but is way too overpriced. SIG-Sauer is still expensive, but you get what you pay for. BTW, if you didn't know I am a DIE-HARD SIG-Sauer fan (except for the new E2 or whatever, hate that) and I wish they would have given him a P229R or even a SIG-Pro, idc which model of SIG-Pro. Both in DA/SA of course. I could rant on SOOO much longer, but I have to stop myself.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 19:54, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Isn't the E2 now pretty much what the standard for what a P226 looks like now?--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:25, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

:Yes, and it makes me SOOOO mad that they didn't at least keep the standard grips availiable for people that prefer them. Plus, they changed the slide of the P229 to where it looks just like a P228R.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:03, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

It's only like when they made all of the pistols with a rail. I hate the railed frame it looks so ugly. I'd prefer them to offer at least a "classic" version with original grips and no rail. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 14:14, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

:I like both frames, and I think they should have kept all three as an option. You could choose unrailed or railed, then choose the grips (classic P226, newer style, or E2).--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 11:08, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

Sounds good. Let's contact SIG Sauer with our idea lol. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:36, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

I thought it was a nice change to see him with a new sidearm. Its like when they changed weapons in Stargate from the MP5 to the P90

Finally the SIG has been completely phased out in Season 5 Episode 5 'Square One'. Fiona melts it with thermite(?). --[[User:Devang.home47|Devang.home47]] 21:53, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

== Pistol in S04E15 "Brotherly Love" ==

Did anybody notice the gun that Michael gave to Sam in the loft, the one that he said that Fiona had modified to fire 3-round bursts? It only showed it for a second, so I didn't get a good lock at it, and I was just wondering if anybody here did and recognized it --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

HK VP70, I think. He probably meant Fiona altered it to fire burst without the stock attached.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that does indeed look like what I saw. Never even heard of that pistol before, and I consider myself somewhat of a gun nut, so it's cool to learn about a new gun. It's kind of neat how they build the selector switch into the stock mount. Thanks for the info! --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

Do you think there is any reason they chose to modify a VP70 rather than just use a 93R or G18? It just seemed odd to me that they used a relatively obscure pistol for this role. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 07:26, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

:VP70 is hardly obscure, role in Aliens + first polymer handgun evar. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:53, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

::But it was best known for its role as Leon S. Kennedy's sidearm in Resident Evil 2. Thanks in no small part that it was called by its real name, aww, the good old days. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:47, 23 July 2011 (CDT)

== Mike's Holster ==

Anyone have any clue what holster Mike uses? You don't get a lot of good looks at it, but you get a fairly good one in Season 1's 'Unpaid Debts', when he's walking away from the screen after they kidnap the brother of the pimp. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

It changes. Ive seen an iwb, a Small of back serpa, mexican carry, etc.

==Jesse's Rifle==

Okay, dont attack me for this but i think in season 4's guilty as charged Jesse is using a HK416. Look at the gas black, Hk front sight and the lower side rails. With all the othe Hk love in series 4 it wouldnt be too abnormal to have a 416 turn up --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

How does one go about submitting alterations? In the Episode "Good Soldier" (S2E9) a pistol is listed here as being a S&W 459. I looked a the episode on DVD and it looks like a Kimber SIS. The forward and rear slide serrations are very distinctive.

==639==

Seth Peterson uses a 639 as opposed to a 4006. The front sight is fixed and the trigger guard is round without serrations, features of a second generation, and it also has a single stack frame.

==Beretta Cougar?==

I just noticed this in 3x13 Partners in Crime. It's the gun Michael hands Nate when he asks to keep an eye on mom though it doesn't get used in the episode. Initially I thought it was a Px4, but after brightening it looks like a Beretta Cougar.

Picture (brightened for clarity):

[[File:Burnnoticecoug.jpg]]

- IGemini - 18:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Yep, It's a Beretta Cougar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:16, 23 June 2011 (CDT)

== The Fall of Sam Axe? ==

So, as to the new 'movie', are we making a separate page for it, or are we just adding it all to this one? Personally, I think we should make a new page, since this one is getting kinda long. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:53, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Yes, since it is a separate movie, it will get a separate page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:05, 18 April 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. It's up on Hulu currently, if anyone wants to start getting screenshots. I'll go back and compile a list of weapons in a while. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:03, 18 April 2011 (CDT)
== MP5 (S4 Finale) ==
I am not entirely sure, but I believe that the MP5s used by Vaughn's men in the Season 4 finale (Last Stand) are of the A5 variant, based on the 3-position; collapsible stock, and the HK "3 round burst" trigger group. This can be clearly seen when Michael, Fiona, and Jesse are at the elevator shaft, talking with Vaughn; Michael's MP5 is slung, with a somewhat clear shot of the fire selector. I can upload a screenshot if necessary. --[[User:Progamer7100|Progamer7100]] 11:23, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

==Season 5==
Just watched the seasons premiere, no new guns to report all have previously been covered on the page. Wondering if the new series Suits on the same network contains any guns and deserves a page. I'm gonna watch it asap anyways (: [[User:Noe|Noe]] 15:35, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

== Spoilers: The murder weapon in Season Five ==

I'll try not to spoil anything for anyone who hasn't seen the newest episodes, but I'd like to ask something, since I'm not extremely familiar with SIG pistols, or atleast, I'm not too good at identifying them when I only get a quick look at them. Still, in one of the recent episodes, Mike heads to the CIA headquarters for a debriefing, and finds '''Spoilers!''' his contact, dead on the floor with a SIG pistol beside him. Mike melts this gun down using thermite in the next episode. Now, like I said, I'm not too good at identifying SIG pistols, but to me, it looks like a P226 or possibly a P220. Can anyone verify this and possibly grab a decent screencap? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 11:58, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe

2011-04-18T21:36:58Z

Acora: /* Rifles */

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[[Image:Burnnoticefall.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' (2011)]]

''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' is the 2011 television prequel film to the series ''[[Burn Notice]]''. The film follows Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) on a mission to Colombia during his days as a Navy SEAL and reveals the reason why he retired from the military to live in Miami. The film was directed by ''[[Burn Notice]]'' star [[Jeffrey Donovan]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen as the sidearm of SEAL Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] is used by both Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and Colonel Veracruz ([[Pablo Pascal]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
Some of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M4A1]]. A few are seen without a carry handle.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]

==M16A2==
Many of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

==Mosin Nagant M91/30==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] is used by many of the rebels in the film.
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle - 7.62x54R]]

==FN FAL==
The [[FN FAL]] is seen being used by one of Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px| FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0==
At least one [[CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0]] is used by Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:M4A1CQBR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk. 18 Mod 0 5.56x45mm with RIS handguard]]

==Winchester Model 1873==
A few [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifles are seen being used by rebels, as well as Sam Axe.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]

==Norinco Type 56==
What are assumed to be [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles are used by several of Veracruz's soldiers. They are 7.62x39mm AK variants with solid stocks, and though there aren't any good shots of the front sight, they are assumed to be Norinco rifles because of the commonality of these rifles in comparison to other variants.
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm.]]

=Shotguns=
==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Many of the rebels are also seen using [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M134 Minigun==
The [[M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on a Colombian police helicopter that engages Veracruz's troops.
[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (Which also includes huge M158 Rocket Launcher).]]

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2011-04-18T21:36:07Z

Acora: /* CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0 */

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[[Image:Burnnoticefall.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' (2011)]]

''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' is the 2011 television prequel film to the series ''[[Burn Notice]]''. The film follows Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) on a mission to Colombia during his days as a Navy SEAL and reveals the reason why he retired from the military to live in Miami. The film was directed by ''[[Burn Notice]]'' star [[Jeffrey Donovan]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen as the sidearm of SEAL Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] is used by both Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and Colonel Veracruz ([[Pablo Pascal]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
Some of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M4A1]]. A few are seen without a carry handle.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]

==M16A2==
Many of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

==Mosin Nagant M91/30==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] is used by many of the rebels in the film.
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle - 7.62x54R]]

==FN FAL==
The [[FN FAL]] is seen being used by one of Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px| FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0==
At least one [[CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0]] is used by Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:M4A1CQBR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk. 18 Mod 0 5.56x45mm with RIS handguard]]

==Winchester Model 1873==
A few [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifles are seen being used by rebels, as well as Sam Axe.

==Norinco Type 56==
What are assumed to be [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles are used by several of Veracruz's soldiers. They are 7.62x39mm AK variants with solid stocks, and though there aren't any good shots of the front sight, they are assumed to be Norinco rifles because of the commonality of these rifles in comparison to other variants.
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm.]]

=Shotguns=
==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Many of the rebels are also seen using [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M134 Minigun==
The [[M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on a Colombian police helicopter that engages Veracruz's troops.
[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (Which also includes huge M158 Rocket Launcher).]]

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2011-04-18T21:35:48Z

Acora: /* Rifles */

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[[Image:Burnnoticefall.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' (2011)]]

''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' is the 2011 television prequel film to the series ''[[Burn Notice]]''. The film follows Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) on a mission to Colombia during his days as a Navy SEAL and reveals the reason why he retired from the military to live in Miami. The film was directed by ''[[Burn Notice]]'' star [[Jeffrey Donovan]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen as the sidearm of SEAL Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] is used by both Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and Colonel Veracruz ([[Pablo Pascal]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
Some of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M4A1]]. A few are seen without a carry handle.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]

==M16A2==
Many of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

==Mosin Nagant M91/30==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] is used by many of the rebels in the film.
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle - 7.62x54R]]

==FN FAL==
The [[FN FAL]] is seen being used by one of Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px| FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0==
At least one [[CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0]] is used by Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:M4A1CQBR.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Mk. 18 Mod 0 5.56x45mm with RIS handguard]]

==Winchester Model 1873==
A few [[Winchester Model 1873]] rifles are seen being used by rebels, as well as Sam Axe.

==Norinco Type 56==
What are assumed to be [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles are used by several of Veracruz's soldiers. They are 7.62x39mm AK variants with solid stocks, and though there aren't any good shots of the front sight, they are assumed to be Norinco rifles because of the commonality of these rifles in comparison to other variants.
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm.]]

=Shotguns=
==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Many of the rebels are also seen using [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M134 Minigun==
The [[M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on a Colombian police helicopter that engages Veracruz's troops.
[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (Which also includes huge M158 Rocket Launcher).]]

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2011-04-18T21:07:16Z

Acora: /* FN FAL */

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[[Image:Burnnoticefall.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' (2011)]]

''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' is the 2011 television prequel film to the series ''[[Burn Notice]]''. The film follows Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) on a mission to Colombia during his days as a Navy SEAL and reveals the reason why he retired from the military to live in Miami. The film was directed by ''[[Burn Notice]]'' star [[Jeffrey Donovan]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen as the sidearm of SEAL Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] is used by both Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and Colonel Veracruz ([[Pablo Pascal]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
Some of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M4A1]]. A few are seen without a carry handle.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]

==M16A2==
Many of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

== Mosin Nagant M91/30 ==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] is used by many of the rebels in the film.
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle - 7.62x54R]]

== FN FAL ==
The [[FN FAL]] is seen being used by one of Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|none|500px| FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=Shotguns=
==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Many of the rebels are also seen using [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M134 Minigun==
The [[M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on a Colombian police helicopter that engages Veracruz's troops.
[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (Which also includes huge M158 Rocket Launcher).]]

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2011-04-18T21:06:51Z

Acora: /* FN FAL */

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[[Image:Burnnoticefall.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' (2011)]]

''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' is the 2011 television prequel film to the series ''[[Burn Notice]]''. The film follows Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) on a mission to Colombia during his days as a Navy SEAL and reveals the reason why he retired from the military to live in Miami. The film was directed by ''[[Burn Notice]]'' star [[Jeffrey Donovan]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen as the sidearm of SEAL Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] is used by both Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and Colonel Veracruz ([[Pablo Pascal]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
Some of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M4A1]]. A few are seen without a carry handle.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]

==M16A2==
Many of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

== Mosin Nagant M91/30 ==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] is used by many of the rebels in the film.
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle - 7.62x54R]]

== FN FAL ==
The [[FN FAL]] is seen being used by one of Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|left|500px| FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=Shotguns=
==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Many of the rebels are also seen using [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M134 Minigun==
The [[M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on a Colombian police helicopter that engages Veracruz's troops.
[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (Which also includes huge M158 Rocket Launcher).]]

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Acora:

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[[Image:Burnnoticefall.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' (2011)]]

''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'' is the 2011 television prequel film to the series ''[[Burn Notice]]''. The film follows Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) on a mission to Colombia during his days as a Navy SEAL and reveals the reason why he retired from the military to live in Miami. The film was directed by ''[[Burn Notice]]'' star [[Jeffrey Donovan]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Burn Notice: The Fall of Sam Axe'':'''

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=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen as the sidearm of SEAL Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

== Glock 17 ==
The [[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17]] is used by both Commander Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and Colonel Veracruz ([[Pablo Pascal]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]

=Rifles=
==M4A1 Carbine==
Some of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M4A1]]. A few are seen without a carry handle.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]

==M16A2==
Many of Veracruz's troops are armed with the [[M16A2]].
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

== Mosin Nagant M91/30 ==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M91/30]] is used by many of the rebels in the film.
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle - 7.62x54R]]

== FN FAL ==
The [[FN FAL]] is seen being used by one of Veracruz's soldiers during the battle at the cliff.
[[Image:FN FAL 50 00.jpg|thumb|right|500px| FN FAL 50.00 7.62x51mm NATO]]

=Shotguns=
==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
Many of the rebels are also seen using [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]s.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M134 Minigun==
The [[M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on a Colombian police helicopter that engages Veracruz's troops.
[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (Which also includes huge M158 Rocket Launcher).]]

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2011-04-18T21:03:00Z

Acora: /* The Fall of Sam Axe? */

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party but that looks like a S&W 645 to me because of the exposed screws. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's great to know I'm not seeing things :) I've always thought that gun was either a 645 or an earlier (I think) version of the 659 with small iron sights. But I just kind of deferred to all the other guys' experience on this one and kept quiet. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]]

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

they assault rifle Fiona got from Seymour (arms dealer) was an M4A1 carbine with what appeared to be an Ampoint (possibly ACOG) anpeq-2 and some type of verticle grip. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone is dissing Bruce Campbell firing the MP5 PDW without using the sights. I just saw a show on Discovery channel about the Iran hostage crisis and it interviewed two former SAS operatives. Its standard for them to point shoot small arms with intense practice and instinct in close quarters. Afterall Sam is a former SEAL. --~~

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==SIG not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a P226

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

ha ha that funny . but id rather hang with michael . i like him . maybe pick up a few things . fight moves , learn to speak russian , and some super cool
spy stuff. im happy its on tonight. simmons 8492

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

damn right brother , i love this show so much . simmons 8492

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg|thumb|none|400px ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911). And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now. Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==S04E06==

Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :<.

==S04E09==
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&K P30 on Michael

== Breaking Up By Season? ==

The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season. The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season. Thoughts? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe

== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the "laser targeting assist" she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 870==

wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the "water shell" is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
[[Image:Burn 266.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Burn 267.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the "water round." No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the "residue" could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Robert Patrick==

Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Jessie's Rifle==

Anyone know what Jessie was using when he "shot" Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Not a Remington 700? ==

Is this not a Remington 700? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]
I don't think this is correct, at least based on the picture of the 700PSS provided. Look at the bolt handle, not what on a factory Remington 700. And the stock is too glossy and smooth looking to be a tactical rifle

== H&K P30 or HK45? I think this gun is misidentified. ==

This looks more like a Heckler and Koch P30 than an HK45. They are very similar looking except the external safety on the HK45, the bottom of the magazine is different, and the HK45 is larger.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/41/BurnS4_309.jpg/500px-BurnS4_309.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c8/HH45.jpg/400px-HH45.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/12/HK-P30.jpg/350px-HK-P30.jpg

(I tried to post the pictures but couldn't get it to work). Notice the difference in the bottom of the magazine. The HK45 is also a full-size, the P30 is a compact. Notice the slight difference in the length of the slide. The gun in his hand looks more like a compact, and the slide looks shorter than the HK45. I'm new, so I'm not going to change anything myself. Just a suggestion.

SnakeDoc

Its definately A P30.. you can tell by the trigger guard

== New sidearm for Weston in Season 4? ==

The attached picture from Burn Notice may show Weston carrying an HK P30 9mm. (Again, I can't figure how to embed the picture).

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/113/1135169/burn-notice-20101117073255292_640w.jpg

It is a publicity still from the latest episode (aired in late November). If I recall the episode correctly, he drew the gun on his own (didn't recover it from someone else) and used it to shoot a fake chemical weapon cannister filled with tear gas and pesticide.
It looks like an H&K to me ... too small to be an HK45, not square enough to be a USP Compact. I'm pretty sure it isn't Weston's usual Sig, though I am unsure if it represents a permanent change in sidearm of choice.

Hope not, SIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HK, like is way better.

Its definatetly a P30. Personally i think a new gun would be good the P228 is outdated and is used by everybody in most T.V shows so a new gun like the P30 would be good.. OR stay with Sig and get the P229 E2

honestiy , i like the P228 with him . its been with him since the pilot so i say , if it aint broke dont fix it simmons 8492

Its his signature weapon, seriously signature weapons cant be changed.

:Yep, it's official: Michael Weston has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. I was a bit disappointed, as I hoped he would just get a newer SIG (i.e. the P229R, SP2022, or P250), but P30 it is. I figured it was inevitable at some point he was gonna switch sidearms. Actually, I'm surprised he had the 228 for as long as he did, considering the assortment of new(er) pistols that have been used by other characters on the show (like the Walther PPS, FN Five-Seven USG, and Springfield XD, among others). I would have figured it's a rule in Hollywood that the protagonist always has to have the best gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

XD was only briefly shown in one episode, I believe 5-7 was too. Look at Sam, conealing a beretta the whole series, Fiona likes her ppk and michael had a SIG. Now I have to see a HK.......Sigh. A PPS may be a better choice for a new gun for Fiona. And the 92 is a beast, maybe something SIG sized for Sam would be appropriate, hes also a former seal so it would make sense.

: Signature weapons can change occasionally. Jack Bauer switched from a Sig to an H&K USP Compact between Seasons 2 and 3 of 24 (he used the USPc for the remaining seasons). I don't mind the change. I actually like the P30 quite a bit personally, so its good to see it getting a bit more publicity. -- SnakeDoc

I hate HK, I mean, a rail that only takes their special accessories, instead of a standard rail everybody else uses, since there you know, too good for a streamlight or what not, and they got a mag release on the trigger guard instead of the grip. The sig is compact, accurate, reliable, and has the ergos right.

-k9870

: The P30 has a standard rail.

-looks like the 228 is back in the finale ;)

Agreed the Sig is back for the finale show down... I agree i'd love to see him make the practical and logical step to a Sig P229R DAK... because in a adreneline situation who wants to remember long pull short pull---ST0NEFIELD

== Pistol in S04E15 "Brotherly Love" ==

Did anybody notice the gun that Michael gave to Sam in the loft, the one that he said that Fiona had modified to fire 3-round bursts? It only showed it for a second, so I didn't get a good lock at it, and I was just wondering if anybody here did and recognized it --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

HK VP70, I think. He probably meant Fiona altered it to fire burst without the stock attached.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that does indeed look like what I saw. Never even heard of that pistol before, and I consider myself somewhat of a gun nut, so it's cool to learn about a new gun. It's kind of neat how they build the selector switch into the stock mount. Thanks for the info! --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

== Mike's Holster ==

Anyone have any clue what holster Mike uses? You don't get a lot of good looks at it, but you get a fairly good one in Season 1's 'Unpaid Debts', when he's walking away from the screen after they kidnap the brother of the pimp. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

It changes. Ive seen an iwb, a Small of back serpa, mexican carry, etc.

==Jesse's Rifle==

Okay, dont attack me for this but i think in season 4's guilty as charged Jesse is using a HK416. Look at the gas black, Hk front sight and the lower side rails. With all the othe Hk love in series 4 it wouldnt be too abnormal to have a 416 turn up --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

How does one go about submitting alterations? In the Episode "Good Soldier" (S2E9) a pistol is listed here as being a S&W 459. I looked a the episode on DVD and it looks like a Kimber SIS. The forward and rear slide serrations are very distinctive.

==639==

Seth Peterson uses a 639 as opposed to a 4006. The front sight is fixed and the trigger guard is round without serrations, features of a second generation, and it also has a single stack frame.

==Beretta Cougar?==

I just noticed this in 3x13 Partners in Crime. It's the gun Michael hands Nate when he asks to keep an eye on mom though it doesn't get used in the episode. Initially I thought it was a Px4, but after brightening it looks like a Beretta Cougar.

Picture (brightened for clarity):

[[File:Burnnoticecoug.jpg]]

- IGemini - 18:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

== The Fall of Sam Axe? ==

So, as to the new 'movie', are we making a separate page for it, or are we just adding it all to this one? Personally, I think we should make a new page, since this one is getting kinda long. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:53, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Yes, since it is a separate movie, it will get a separate page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:05, 18 April 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. It's up on Hulu currently, if anyone wants to start getting screenshots. I'll go back and compile a list of weapons in a while. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:03, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Burn Notice

2011-04-18T07:53:52Z

Acora: /* The Fall of Sam Axe? */ new section

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party but that looks like a S&W 645 to me because of the exposed screws. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's great to know I'm not seeing things :) I've always thought that gun was either a 645 or an earlier (I think) version of the 659 with small iron sights. But I just kind of deferred to all the other guys' experience on this one and kept quiet. - [[User:TrueBeliever19|TrueBeliever19]]

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

they assault rifle Fiona got from Seymour (arms dealer) was an M4A1 carbine with what appeared to be an Ampoint (possibly ACOG) anpeq-2 and some type of verticle grip. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone is dissing Bruce Campbell firing the MP5 PDW without using the sights. I just saw a show on Discovery channel about the Iran hostage crisis and it interviewed two former SAS operatives. Its standard for them to point shoot small arms with intense practice and instinct in close quarters. Afterall Sam is a former SEAL. --~~

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==SIG not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a P226

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

ha ha that funny . but id rather hang with michael . i like him . maybe pick up a few things . fight moves , learn to speak russian , and some super cool
spy stuff. im happy its on tonight. simmons 8492

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

damn right brother , i love this show so much . simmons 8492

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg|thumb|none|400px ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911). And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now. Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==S04E06==

Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :<.

==S04E09==
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&K P30 on Michael

== Breaking Up By Season? ==

The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season. The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season. Thoughts? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe

== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the "laser targeting assist" she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 870==

wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the "water shell" is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
[[Image:Burn 266.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Burn 267.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the "water round." No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the "residue" could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Robert Patrick==

Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Jessie's Rifle==

Anyone know what Jessie was using when he "shot" Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Not a Remington 700? ==

Is this not a Remington 700? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]
I don't think this is correct, at least based on the picture of the 700PSS provided. Look at the bolt handle, not what on a factory Remington 700. And the stock is too glossy and smooth looking to be a tactical rifle

== H&K P30 or HK45? I think this gun is misidentified. ==

This looks more like a Heckler and Koch P30 than an HK45. They are very similar looking except the external safety on the HK45, the bottom of the magazine is different, and the HK45 is larger.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/41/BurnS4_309.jpg/500px-BurnS4_309.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c8/HH45.jpg/400px-HH45.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/12/HK-P30.jpg/350px-HK-P30.jpg

(I tried to post the pictures but couldn't get it to work). Notice the difference in the bottom of the magazine. The HK45 is also a full-size, the P30 is a compact. Notice the slight difference in the length of the slide. The gun in his hand looks more like a compact, and the slide looks shorter than the HK45. I'm new, so I'm not going to change anything myself. Just a suggestion.

SnakeDoc

Its definately A P30.. you can tell by the trigger guard

== New sidearm for Weston in Season 4? ==

The attached picture from Burn Notice may show Weston carrying an HK P30 9mm. (Again, I can't figure how to embed the picture).

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/113/1135169/burn-notice-20101117073255292_640w.jpg

It is a publicity still from the latest episode (aired in late November). If I recall the episode correctly, he drew the gun on his own (didn't recover it from someone else) and used it to shoot a fake chemical weapon cannister filled with tear gas and pesticide.
It looks like an H&K to me ... too small to be an HK45, not square enough to be a USP Compact. I'm pretty sure it isn't Weston's usual Sig, though I am unsure if it represents a permanent change in sidearm of choice.

Hope not, SIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HK, like is way better.

Its definatetly a P30. Personally i think a new gun would be good the P228 is outdated and is used by everybody in most T.V shows so a new gun like the P30 would be good.. OR stay with Sig and get the P229 E2

honestiy , i like the P228 with him . its been with him since the pilot so i say , if it aint broke dont fix it simmons 8492

Its his signature weapon, seriously signature weapons cant be changed.

:Yep, it's official: Michael Weston has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. I was a bit disappointed, as I hoped he would just get a newer SIG (i.e. the P229R, SP2022, or P250), but P30 it is. I figured it was inevitable at some point he was gonna switch sidearms. Actually, I'm surprised he had the 228 for as long as he did, considering the assortment of new(er) pistols that have been used by other characters on the show (like the Walther PPS, FN Five-Seven USG, and Springfield XD, among others). I would have figured it's a rule in Hollywood that the protagonist always has to have the best gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

XD was only briefly shown in one episode, I believe 5-7 was too. Look at Sam, conealing a beretta the whole series, Fiona likes her ppk and michael had a SIG. Now I have to see a HK.......Sigh. A PPS may be a better choice for a new gun for Fiona. And the 92 is a beast, maybe something SIG sized for Sam would be appropriate, hes also a former seal so it would make sense.

: Signature weapons can change occasionally. Jack Bauer switched from a Sig to an H&K USP Compact between Seasons 2 and 3 of 24 (he used the USPc for the remaining seasons). I don't mind the change. I actually like the P30 quite a bit personally, so its good to see it getting a bit more publicity. -- SnakeDoc

I hate HK, I mean, a rail that only takes their special accessories, instead of a standard rail everybody else uses, since there you know, too good for a streamlight or what not, and they got a mag release on the trigger guard instead of the grip. The sig is compact, accurate, reliable, and has the ergos right.

-k9870

: The P30 has a standard rail.

-looks like the 228 is back in the finale ;)

Agreed the Sig is back for the finale show down... I agree i'd love to see him make the practical and logical step to a Sig P229R DAK... because in a adreneline situation who wants to remember long pull short pull---ST0NEFIELD

== Pistol in S04E15 "Brotherly Love" ==

Did anybody notice the gun that Michael gave to Sam in the loft, the one that he said that Fiona had modified to fire 3-round bursts? It only showed it for a second, so I didn't get a good lock at it, and I was just wondering if anybody here did and recognized it --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

HK VP70, I think. He probably meant Fiona altered it to fire burst without the stock attached.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that does indeed look like what I saw. Never even heard of that pistol before, and I consider myself somewhat of a gun nut, so it's cool to learn about a new gun. It's kind of neat how they build the selector switch into the stock mount. Thanks for the info! --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

== Mike's Holster ==

Anyone have any clue what holster Mike uses? You don't get a lot of good looks at it, but you get a fairly good one in Season 1's 'Unpaid Debts', when he's walking away from the screen after they kidnap the brother of the pimp. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

It changes. Ive seen an iwb, a Small of back serpa, mexican carry, etc.

==Jesse's Rifle==

Okay, dont attack me for this but i think in season 4's guilty as charged Jesse is using a HK416. Look at the gas black, Hk front sight and the lower side rails. With all the othe Hk love in series 4 it wouldnt be too abnormal to have a 416 turn up --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

How does one go about submitting alterations? In the Episode "Good Soldier" (S2E9) a pistol is listed here as being a S&W 459. I looked a the episode on DVD and it looks like a Kimber SIS. The forward and rear slide serrations are very distinctive.

==639==

Seth Peterson uses a 639 as opposed to a 4006. The front sight is fixed and the trigger guard is round without serrations, features of a second generation, and it also has a single stack frame.

==Beretta Cougar?==

I just noticed this in 3x13 Partners in Crime. It's the gun Michael hands Nate when he asks to keep an eye on mom though it doesn't get used in the episode. Initially I thought it was a Px4, but after brightening it looks like a Beretta Cougar.

Picture (brightened for clarity):

[[File:Burnnoticecoug.jpg]]

- IGemini - 18:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

== The Fall of Sam Axe? ==

So, as to the new 'movie', are we making a separate page for it, or are we just adding it all to this one? Personally, I think we should make a new page, since this one is getting kinda long. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:53, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Predators (2010)

2011-04-09T21:42:07Z

Acora: /* M1911A1 */

[[Image:Predators-Teaser.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Predators'' (2010)]]

'''''Predators''''' is the latest installment in the ''Predator'' movie franchise that began with 1987's ''[[Predator]]'' and continued with 1990's ''[[Predator 2]]''. The 2010 sequel was produced by [[Robert Rodriguez]] and stars [[Adrien Brody]] as Royce, a mercenary who finds himself stranded on a strange planet along with seven other human 'predators'.'''

'''See the [[Talk:Predators (2010)|Discussion]] section for behind the scenes images from the film.'''

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Predators'':'''
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==AA-12==
Royce ([[Adrien Brody]]) carries an [[AA-12]] automatic 12 Gauge shotgun throughout the movie, it is fitted with a drum magazine loaded with Frag-12 rounds, and fitted with a Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip. The custom camo paint appears to be similar to the US Army's pixelized UCP pattern. It also could be more closely related to the current USMC MARPAT woodland pattern.
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MPS Auto Assault-12, 12 Gauge ]]
[[Image:PreadatorsAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Adrien Brody]] as Royce with his AA-12 in a promotional image]]
[[Image:Preds004.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 06.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A more detailed shot that features the Surefire M900 weaponlight.]]
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|''This planet is a game preserve . . . and we're the game.'' Royce ([[Adrien Brody]]) with his AA-12 Shotgun as Stans ([[Walton Goggins]]) rests against a tree.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 405.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==M134 Hand held Minigun==
Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]), a member of the Spetsnaz Alpha Group carries a [[GE M134 minigun#Hand-Held M134 Minigun|hand-held M134 Minigun]] substituting for a [[GShG-7.62 minigun|GShG-7.62]], or a Slostin machine gun that is described in the script, reminiscent of the gun used by [[Jesse Ventura]] in the [[Predator|original film]]. When Nikolai first uses the Minigun a stoppage occurs. Nikolai is forced to fix the jam and reload the weapon. Nikolai later uses the Minigun to slay two Predator hounds and to lay down suppressing fire on Predators before the gun is destroyed in battle by a well aimed shot from a Predator Plasmacaster. A lot of the firing scenes were shot with a prop weapon with a CG muzzle flash added. When the weapon is first introduced a real gun is used for some closeups while Nikolai is firing it.
[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Handheld M134 Minigun with chainsaw grip (Airsoft Replica).]]
[[Image:Predators41.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Promotional image of [[Oleg Taktarov]] as Nikolai with an M134 Hand held Minigun prop. Note that the prop is missing the central shaft on the barrel clamp that normally runs through the four discs.]]
[[Image:Predators-m134.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A publicity still of Nikolai and the prop M134 minigun.]]
[[Image:Preds002.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) with his GE M134 Minigun prop.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 04.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the minigun firing. In full motion, the barrels are not seen rotating.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 05.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|The minigun firing at Royce.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 402.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Blaser R93 LRS2==
Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]), an IDF sniper, carries a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle]] fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler & Koch PSG1 described in the script). In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Note: this is due to an auto-focus feature on the scope, not an error in the movie. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale. She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Blaser R93 LRS2''' Precision Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum. The rifle is usually outfitted with either a Parker Hale or Harris Bipod.]]
[[Image:AliceBragaIsabelleBlaserl93lrs1.jpg#file|thumb|none|300px|Alice Braga as Isabelle in a production still with her Blazer L93 LRS2 fitted with an elcan digital Hunter Scope.]]
[[Image:Preds003.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Isabelle with her Blaser R93 sniper rifle.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 21.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:PredatorsBlaserAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce and Isabelle face back to back with their weapons.]]

==AKMS==
Mombasa ([[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]]) , a member of an RUF death squad, carries an [[AKMS]] rifle with the stock folded up throughout the movie, he once uses it to save Stans from an attacking Predator Hound when they first encounter them.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Predators-akms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mombasa ([[Mahershalalhashbaz Ali]]) aims his AKMS in a publicity still.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 416.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Mombasa opens fire with the AKMS on a Predator hound.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 407.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Mombasa with the AKMS.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 16.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
Cuchillo ([[Danny Trejo]]), a Mexican Drug Cartel enforcer, is seen with two [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]]'s fitted with braided leather covers on the foregrips strapped to his back, in a manner similar to [[Chuck Norris]]' [[Uzi#Mini Uzi|Mini Uzi]] harness in ''[[Invasion U.S.A. (1985)|Invasion U.S.A.]]''.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch MP5K 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PredatorsMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Cuchillo ([[Danny Trejo]]) with his MP5K's in a promotional image. Note the custom covers on the foregrips and the shoulder rigs like Alice's from ''[[Resident Evil: Apocalypse]]''.]]
[[Image:Preds004.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 01.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 406.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Cuchillo prepares to fire his MP5K's at the Predator hounds.]]

== Heckler & Koch HK45 w/ Compensator ==
The main sidearm of Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]). She draws it to face a Predator Hound.
[[Image:HH45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK45 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Pred2010 28.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Isabelle ([[Alice Braga]]) draws her Heckler & Koch HK45 to save herself from a painful death via Predator Hound.]]

==Custom Beretta 92FS Inox==
A custom [[Beretta_92_pistol_series#Beretta_92FS_Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] with custom grips is carried by Hanzo ([[Louis Changchien]]). The compensator was custom built by armorer Steve Karnes (AKA [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]).The Yakuza assassin uses it until he acquires a katana from Noland's weapon cache.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Predators33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Promotional image of [[Louis Changchien]] as Hanzo with his custom Beretta.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 30.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanzo ([[Louis Changchien]]) draws his Beretta, showing good trigger discipline.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 31.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the custom grips.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanzo ([[Louis Changchien]]) aims his Beretta.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanzo fires his Beretta, eyes open, showing the odd muzzle flash produced by the compensator.]]

==M1911A1==
When the group stumble upon a dead American soldier, he is grasping an empty [[M1911A1]] with the slide locked back. Mombasa is later seen pulling it. When his MP5K's are empty, Cuchillo is seen pulling an engraved gold plated M1911A1. Royce is also seen with one, though it is kept holstered for the entirety of the movie, and therefore is unidentified.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 -.45 ACP]]
[[Image:Predators43g.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scene image showing a closeup of the M1911A1. (For the entire image, see the [[Talk:Predators (2010)|Discussion]] section.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 24.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 404.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 03.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Tokarev TT-33==
After his Minigun is destroyed by one of the Predators, Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) is seen using a [[Tokarev TT-33]] he was carrying. He fires it at a Predator in Noland's hideout when he goes back to save Edwin.
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Pred2010 412.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 413.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Pred2010 414.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Mk 2 hand grenade==

Several [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s are seen among the weapons in Noland's ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) arsenal. Royce ([[Adrien Brody]]) later strings several of them together in a trap for the 'Berserker' Predator.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:Predators9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A table in Noland's lair with assorted weapons on it including Mk 2 grenades and a flare gun.]]

==M18A1 Claymore==

When Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mine on the table. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]
[[Image:Pred2010 25.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Noland's weapons cache==
When the group are taken to Noland's cave, they see he's collected a mixture of weapons, some human and some alien. There's also a grenade launcher of some sort, used to fire a flare.
[[Image:Predators06a.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Noland ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) shows up with an alien rifle]]
[[Image:Predators9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A table with assorted weapons on it.]]
[[Image:Pred2010 408.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Hanzo finds the Katana, a Mossberg-type shotgun is seen in the background.]]

==Special Trivia==
===Sneak Peak at the new Predators===
[[Image:Predators18a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) gets a face to face meeting with one of the new Super Predators, 'Tracker'. Note that Nikolai's hands aren't empty.]]
[[Image:Predators17a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A sneak peak of the 'Falconer' Predator, and the Predator Hound on the Predator "Game" preserve planet.]]

==See Also==

'''Predator series'''

*''[[Predator]]''
*''[[Predator 2]]''
*''[[Predators (2010)]]''
*''[[Alien vs. Predator]]''
*''[[Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem]]''

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[[Category:Action Movie]]
[[Category:Science-Fiction]]
[[Category:Predator]]

Homefront (2011 VG)

2011-04-02T18:35:33Z

Acora: /* Bushmaster ACR */

[[Image:Homefront.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Homefront'' (2011)]]

'''The following weapons can be seen in the upcoming first-person shooter ''Homefront'''.

The year is 2027. America is in a state of collapse, as the now unified Korea takes its place as the worlds most powerful nation. From 2011, Korea gains control over East Asia, soon utilizing Americas state of affairs as a ground for an invasion of the northern American continent.
The story of ''Homefront'' was written by John Milius who co-wrote the films ''[[Apocalypse Now]]'' and ''[[Red Dawn]]''. The game borrows most of its story elements from the latter film.

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= Pistols =

== Beretta M9 ==
The [[Beretta M9]] can be seen used by a Korean soldier and by the player. It is the only available pistol in the game. Holds 15 rounds in the magazine.

[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta M9]] - 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-28-08-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holding a [[Beretta M9]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-46-53-41.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Beretta M9]] used by a Korean soldier.]]

= Assault Rifles =

== M4A1 ==
The [[M4A1]] (called [[M4]] in-game) is the standard assault rifle for the U.S. Army faction. KPA (Korean People's Army) soldiers also can be seen using it. In single player it holds erroneously only 20 rounds but it is modelled with the standard 30-round one. In multiplayer it is the best default weapon with high accuracy, range and relatively fast reload speed, but fairly low damage.

[[Image:ColtM4_FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Colt M4A1]] Carbine with 4 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110854498.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Korean police officer with a [[M4A1]].]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110824952.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Korean soldier with a [[M4A1]].]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110848482.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor, An American resistance fighter with an [[M4A1]].]]

== M16A4 ==
The [[M16A4]] in the game fires only in single-shot mode. Called simply "M16 Rifle".

[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A4]] Rifle - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-09-35-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. Soldier with the [[M16A4]].]]

== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] (called "SCAR" in the game) acts as the weapon of choice for the U.S. Special Forces. It fires in three-round burst mode much like in ''[[Left 4 Dead 2]]'' instead of full-auto, as real [[FN SCAR]]s doesn't have burst fire capability.

[[Image:FN_SCAR-L_(Standard).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Third-Generation [[FN SCAR-L]] - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110842295.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The North Korean police officer on the right holds the [[FN SCAR-L]].]]

== Bushmaster ACR ==

The [[Bushmaster ACR]] is used by both American and Korean forces in the game. Called "ACR Rifle". In multiplayer it is unlocked at level 3. It is highly used online, and is very similar to the M4, albeit with higher damage and slightly higher recoil. Because of this, it can be assumed that it is the 6.8 variant of the ACR.

[[Image:Bushmaster-acr-carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Bushmaster ACR]] Standard Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO/7.62x39mm.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-11-44-97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player with an [[Bushmaster ACR|ACR]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-12-00-76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American resistance fighter with [[Bushmaster ACR|ACR]].]]

== QBZ-03 ==
The [[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBZ-03|Norinco QBZ-03]] assault rifle can be seen in use by Korean soldiers. Its in-game name is "T3AK". Ironically, it was referred to by it's actual name in the tie-in novel: Homefront: The Voice of Freedom, which was co-written by Milius.

[[Image:QBZ-03.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QBZ-03 - 5.8x42mm]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-19-59-87.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A Korean soldier with the [[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBZ-03|Norinco QBZ-03]].]]

== PWS MK107 "Diablo" ==
What was first thought to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] by its design, is actually a [[PWS Diablo]]; An [[AR-15]]-based compact assault rifle. In-game, the [[PWS Diablo]] can be fitted with iron sights, red dot sight, Stubby Vertical Grip, and a suppressor. It also features Mapgul XTM rail covers in black and beige and ACE M4 SOCOM Stock. Because of its size, it's classified in-game as a sub-machine gun.

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110836311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rianna, a female resistance fighter wields the [[PWS Diablo]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-46-27-64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[PWS Diablo]] with red dot sight and foregrip in idle.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-47-54-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[PWS Diablo]] with silencer. Note the [[M4]] pickup icon.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-47-51-22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Same as above, through iron-sights. Note the [[Bushmaster ACR|ACR]] pickup icon.]]

== FN SCAR-H ==
The [[FN SCAR|FN SCAR-H]] appears in game in a fictional light machine gun configuration, using a 75-round double-drum magazine and equipped with a Grippod foregrip/bipod.

[[Image:2fff2537c0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation Fabrique National SCAR-H CQC - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

== XM10 ==
The "XM10" is a fictional prototype assault rifle found in multiplayer. It resembles an IMI Tavor in conventional layout.

= Sub-Machine Guns =

== TDI Vector ==
The [[TDI Vector]] appears in the game, named the "Super V SMG". It is classified as a sub-machine gun along with the [[PWS Diablo]].

[[Image:KrissSuperV.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TDI KRISS Super V Vector SMG, .45 ACP]]

= Shotguns =

== Remington 870 Express==
A [[Remington 870]] Express with RealTree camo and a thumbhole stock is granted to anyone who pre-ordered the game through GameStop. It's also seen occasionally during the singleplayer campaign. It's fitted with a rail mount above the receiver and a spare shell holder.

== Knight's Armament MasterKey ==
A [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]] is available as an attachment for assault rifles.

[[Image:M4masterkey01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Masterkey shotgun 12 Gauge mounted on M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm]]

= Sniper Rifles =

== M110 SASS ==
The [[M110]] SASS (Called M110 in-game) acts as the new sniper rifle for the U.S. Army faction. It uses a 10-round magazine. It is available by default in the MP but cannot be modified.

[[Image:M110 ECP Right Bipod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M110]] SASS - 7.62x51mm NATO with Harris bipod and tan paint scheme.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-26-33-29.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M110]] used by the player.]]

== Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention ==

The [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention]] appears as "M200 Sniper" in Homefront. It is not very popular in multiplayer because of the (erroneous) 5-round capacity and slow (bolt-action) rate of fire.

[[Image:M200.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CheyTac M-200 - .408 CheyTac.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-19-33-62.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier with the [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-07-51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]] in the player's hands.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-47-40-28.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]]. Note the icon in the bottom left corner, near the mini map.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-08-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]] is always fitted with a 4X thermal scope.]]

= Machine Guns =

== M249-E2 SAW ==
The [[M249]]-E2 SAW (called [[M249]] in-game) acts as the standard light machine gun for the U.S. Army faction. Holds 100 rounds in the magazine but the large recoil can be a problem. Available at level 1 in multiplayer.

[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M249]]-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-09-33-57.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the [[M249]].]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101005022206015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The closest U.S. Marine with [[M249]].]]

= Mounted weapons =

== Browning M2 ==
The [[Browning M2]] can be seen mounted on U.S. MBTs. It also appears to be the gun armament of the drone vehicle Goliath.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:Jh4bbr1n.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Browning M2HB]] mounted on the M1A3 Abrams MBT in the background.]]

== GAU-19A ==
The [[General Dynamics GAU-19/A]] seems the standard heavy mounted weapon in the game; they are seen mounted on Korean and American "Humvee" light trucks, as well as on the seemingly-fictional "AH-700" scout helicopters used by the Resistance and the American army.

[[Image:Gau_19-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|GAU-19A .50 cal.]]

[[Image:Hummer_GAU-19.jpg|thumb|none|1000px|A Hummer with a GAU-19/A similar to the ones in "Homefront"]]

[[Image:Jh4bbr1n.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GAU-19A mounted on the Humvee to the left.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-02-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the GAU-19A being fired from a Humvee.]]

== GE M61 Vulcan ==
The GE [[M61 Vulcan]] is seen mounted on the excavator-like arms of Korean sentry gun towers.

[[Image:M61vulcan.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GE [[M61 Vulcan]] - 20mm Cannon.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-18-80.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[M61 Vulcan]] is circled in red.]]

== Unknown drone weapon ==
Some drones have what appears to be a mounted weapon that resembles to the [[M240B]] by its heat shield, but has a larger barrel and a larger ammo type.

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-03-53.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The drone on the left has the unknown mounted weapon. Note the M240B-like heat shield.]]

== Type 85 heavy machine gun ==
A [[Type 85 heavy machine gun]] can be seen and used on the Korean Type 99 tank.

[[Image:Cn t85.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 85 heavy machine gun 12.7x108mm with tripod and ammo box]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-53-48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The unknown mounted weapon is on the vehicle.]]

= Launchers =

== M203 ==
The game's underbarrel grenade launcher. There are also specialized (fictional) airburst and EMP versions.

[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

== Armbrust ATW ==
In very early pre-release versions of Homefront there is a rocket launcher that looks similar to the [[Armbrust ATW]]. It has been replaced with the [[Panzerfaust 3]] in the final version.

[[Image:Amburst_Rocket_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Armbrust ATW]] - 67mm.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-54-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player with a similar-[[Armbrust ATW]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-54-51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A view from the launcher's scope.]]

== Panzerfaust 3 ==
Used by all sides in game, it comes with both normal HEAT and proximity detonated warheads.

[[Image:Pzf3-t600.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerfaust 3]] with DM22 rocket - 60mm.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-27-16-66.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerfaust 3]] as seen in the new developers diary video.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-27-18-17.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Panzerfaust 3]] through its sights, while about to shoot down a Korean WZ-10 attack helicopter.]]

== FGM-148 Javelin ==

An [[FGM-148 Javelin]] launcher is used at the very end of the campaign to shoot down an enemy helicopter. This appears to be the only time it can be used.

[[Image:Javalin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FGM-148 Javelin - 127mm.]]

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Homefront (2011 VG)

2011-03-31T02:41:33Z

Acora: /* M4A1 */

[[Image:Homefront.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Homefront'' (2011)]]

'''The following weapons can be seen in the upcoming first-person shooter ''Homefront'''.

The year is 2027. America is in a state of collapse, as the now unified Korea takes its place as the worlds most powerful nation. From 2011, Korea gains control over East Asia, soon utilizing Americas state of affairs as a ground for an invasion of the northern American continent.
The story of ''Homefront'' was written by John Milius who co-wrote the films ''[[Apocalypse Now]]'' and ''[[Red Dawn]]''. The game borrows most of its story elements from the latter film.

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= Pistols =

== Beretta M9 ==
The [[Beretta M9]] can be seen used by a Korean soldier and by the player. It is the only available pistol in the game. Holds 15 rounds in the magazine.

[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta M9]] - 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-28-08-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holding a [[Beretta M9]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-46-53-41.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Beretta M9]] used by a Korean soldier.]]

= Assault Rifles =

== M4A1 ==
The [[M4A1]] (called [[M4]] in-game) is the standard assault rifle for the U.S. Army faction. KPA (Korean People's Army) soldiers also can be seen using it. In single player it holds erroneously only 20 rounds but it is modelled with the standard 30-round one. In multiplayer it is the best default weapon with high accuracy, range and relatively fast reload speed, but fairly low damage.

[[Image:ColtM4_FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Colt M4A1]] Carbine with 4 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110854498.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Korean police officer with a [[M4A1]].]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110824952.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Korean soldier with a [[M4A1]].]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110848482.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor, An American resistance fighter with an [[M4A1]].]]

== M16A4 ==
The [[M16A4]] in the game fires only in single-shot mode. Called simply "M16 Rifle".

[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A4]] Rifle - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-09-35-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. Soldier with the [[M16A4]].]]

== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] (called "SCAR" in the game) acts as the weapon of choice for the U.S. Special Forces. It fires in three-round burst mode much like in ''[[Left 4 Dead 2]]'' instead of full-auto, as real [[FN SCAR]]s doesn't have burst fire capability.

[[Image:FN_SCAR-L_(Standard).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Third-Generation [[FN SCAR-L]] - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110842295.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The North Korean police officer on the right holds the [[FN SCAR-L]].]]

== Bushmaster ACR ==

The [[Bushmaster ACR]] is used by both American and Korean forces in the game. Called "ACR Rifle". In multiplayer it is unlocked at level 3.

[[Image:Bushmaster-acr-carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Bushmaster ACR]] Standard Carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO/7.62x39mm.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-11-44-97.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player with an [[Bushmaster ACR|ACR]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-12-00-76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American resistance fighter with [[Bushmaster ACR|ACR]].]]

== QBZ-03 ==
The [[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBZ-03|Norinco QBZ-03]] assault rifle can be seen in use by Korean soldiers. Its in-game name is "T3AK". Ironically, it was referred to by it's actual name in the tie-in novel: Homefront: The Voice of Freedom, which was co-written by Milius.

[[Image:QBZ-03.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QBZ-03 - 5.8x42mm]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-19-59-87.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A Korean soldier with the [[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBZ-03|Norinco QBZ-03]].]]

== PWS MK107 "Diablo" ==
What was first thought to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] by its design, is actually a [[PWS Diablo]]; An [[AR-15]]-based compact assault rifle. In-game, the [[PWS Diablo]] can be fitted with iron sights, red dot sight, Stubby Vertical Grip, and a suppressor. It also features Mapgul XTM rail covers in black and beige and ACE M4 SOCOM Stock. Because of its size, it's classified in-game as a sub-machine gun.

[[Image:Homefront-20101104110836311.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rianna, a female resistance fighter wields the [[PWS Diablo]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-46-27-64.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[PWS Diablo]] with red dot sight and foregrip in idle.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-47-54-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[PWS Diablo]] with silencer. Note the [[M4]] pickup icon.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-47-51-22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Same as above, through iron-sights. Note the [[Bushmaster ACR|ACR]] pickup icon.]]

== FN SCAR-H ==
The [[FN SCAR|FN SCAR-H]] appears in game in a fictional light machine gun configuration, using a 75-round double-drum magazine and equipped with a Grippod foregrip/bipod.

[[Image:2fff2537c0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation Fabrique National SCAR-H CQC - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

== XM10 ==
The "XM10" is a fictional prototype assault rifle found in multiplayer. It resembles an IMI Tavor in conventional layout.

= Sub-Machine Guns =

== TDI Vector ==
The [[TDI Vector]] appears in the game, named the "Super V SMG". It is classified as a sub-machine gun along with the [[PWS Diablo]].

[[Image:KrissSuperV.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TDI KRISS Super V Vector SMG, .45 ACP]]

= Shotguns =

== Remington 870 Express==
A [[Remington 870]] Express with RealTree camo and a thumbhole stock is granted to anyone who pre-ordered the game through GameStop. It's also seen occasionally during the singleplayer campaign. It's fitted with a rail mount above the receiver and a spare shell holder.

== Knight's Armament MasterKey ==
A [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]] is available as an attachment for assault rifles.

[[Image:M4masterkey01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Masterkey shotgun 12 Gauge mounted on M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm]]

= Sniper Rifles =

== M110 SASS ==
The [[M110]] SASS (Called M110 in-game) acts as the new sniper rifle for the U.S. Army faction. It uses a 10-round magazine. It is available by default in the MP but cannot be modified.

[[Image:M110 ECP Right Bipod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M110]] SASS - 7.62x51mm NATO with Harris bipod and tan paint scheme.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-26-33-29.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[M110]] used by the player.]]

== Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention ==

The [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention]] appears as "M200 Sniper" in Homefront. It is not very popular in multiplayer because of the (erroneous) 5-round capacity and slow (bolt-action) rate of fire.

[[Image:M200.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CheyTac M-200 - .408 CheyTac.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-19-33-62.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier with the [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-07-51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]] in the player's hands.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-47-40-28.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]]. Note the icon in the bottom left corner, near the mini map.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-08-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention|M-200]] is always fitted with a 4X thermal scope.]]

= Machine Guns =

== M249-E2 SAW ==
The [[M249]]-E2 SAW (called [[M249]] in-game) acts as the standard light machine gun for the U.S. Army faction. Holds 100 rounds in the magazine but the large recoil can be a problem. Available at level 1 in multiplayer.

[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M249]]-E2 SAW - upgraded M249 with heat shield and full synthetic Stock - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-11-27_19-09-33-57.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holds the [[M249]].]]

[[Image:Homefront-20101005022206015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The closest U.S. Marine with [[M249]].]]

= Mounted weapons =

== Browning M2 ==
The [[Browning M2]] can be seen mounted on U.S. MBTs. It also appears to be the gun armament of the drone vehicle Goliath.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:Jh4bbr1n.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Browning M2HB]] mounted on the M1A3 Abrams MBT in the background.]]

== GAU-19A ==
The [[General Dynamics GAU-19/A]] seems the standard heavy mounted weapon in the game; they are seen mounted on Korean and American "Humvee" light trucks, as well as on the seemingly-fictional "AH-700" scout helicopters used by the Resistance and the American army.

[[Image:Gau_19-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|GAU-19A .50 cal.]]

[[Image:Hummer_GAU-19.jpg|thumb|none|1000px|A Hummer with a GAU-19/A similar to the ones in "Homefront"]]

[[Image:Jh4bbr1n.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GAU-19A mounted on the Humvee to the left.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-02-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the GAU-19A being fired from a Humvee.]]

== GE M61 Vulcan ==
The GE [[M61 Vulcan]] is seen mounted on the excavator-like arms of Korean sentry gun towers.

[[Image:M61vulcan.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GE [[M61 Vulcan]] - 20mm Cannon.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-18-80.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[M61 Vulcan]] is circled in red.]]

== Unknown drone weapon ==
Some drones have what appears to be a mounted weapon that resembles to the [[M240B]] by its heat shield, but has a larger barrel and a larger ammo type.

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-48-03-53.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The drone on the left has the unknown mounted weapon. Note the M240B-like heat shield.]]

== Type 85 heavy machine gun ==
A [[Type 85 heavy machine gun]] can be seen and used on the Korean Type 99 tank.

[[Image:Cn t85.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 85 heavy machine gun 12.7x108mm with tripod and ammo box]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-53-48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The unknown mounted weapon is on the vehicle.]]

= Launchers =

== M203 ==
The game's underbarrel grenade launcher. There are also specialized (fictional) airburst and EMP versions.

[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

== Armbrust ATW ==
In very early pre-release versions of Homefront there is a rocket launcher that looks similar to the [[Armbrust ATW]]. It has been replaced with the [[Panzerfaust 3]] in the final version.

[[Image:Amburst_Rocket_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Armbrust ATW]] - 67mm.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-54-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player with a similar-[[Armbrust ATW]].]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_14-45-54-51.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A view from the launcher's scope.]]

== Panzerfaust 3 ==
Used by all sides in game, it comes with both normal HEAT and proximity detonated warheads.

[[Image:Pzf3-t600.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerfaust 3]] with DM22 rocket - 60mm.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-27-16-66.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerfaust 3]] as seen in the new developers diary video.]]

[[Image:Wmplayer_2010-12-06_15-27-18-17.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Panzerfaust 3]] through its sights, while about to shoot down a Korean WZ-10 attack helicopter.]]

== FGM-148 Javelin ==

An [[FGM-148 Javelin]] launcher is used at the very end of the campaign to shoot down an enemy helicopter. This appears to be the only time it can be used.

[[Image:Javalin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FGM-148 Javelin - 127mm.]]

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Talk:Magnum P.I.

2011-03-06T08:03:17Z

Acora: /* Dectonics Compact */

== Magnum's ".45" ==

Reading the little information about Magnum's Colt Government starting out as a .45 and then being switched to a 9mm doesn't hold water to me. In the pilot episode there is clearly a line going down the magazine which if I remember correctly is a signature of a Colt 1911 pistol being chambered in 9mm. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dectonics Compact ==
Is it just me or does the muzzle look to be ungodly huge for such a small weapon? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:28, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
Agreed. I mean, it ''might'' just be the camera angle, but damn... [[User:Acora|Acora]] 11:03, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops

2011-01-15T02:36:47Z

Acora: /* Silencer or Suppressor */

= Wonder Weapons and Miscellaneous Weapons =

== Ray Gun ==

The Ray Gun is available in Call of Duty: Black Ops, only in the Nazi Zombies game mode. While still being very powerful, the gun has a tendency to make crawlers on later rounds more often. Although this can be very useful, it can also create problems for the player, as the player may be caught unaware by them.

[[Image:446px-BORayGun.png|thumb|none|400px|The Ray Gun in-game.]]

== Wunderwaffe DG-2 ==

The Wunderwaffe only appears in Shi No Numa and Der Riese as part of the hardened and prestige editions. In the new maps, the weapon is replaced by its spiritual successor, the Thundergun. When Pack-a-Punched in Der Riese it becomes gold-plated. In one of the intel pieces, a group of wunderwaffe projects are referred to. One of the projects listed is the Die Glocke.

[[Image:Wunderwaffe_DG-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Wunderwaffe DG-2 in-game.]]

== Thundergun ==

This is a weapon featured in the level Kino der Toten. It pushes back zombies with such force that it kills them and should be used only to push back zombies if the player(s) are crowded and cornered considering its low ammunition it starts out with. It becomes the "Zeus Cannon" when upgraded. It also appears in as a easter egg in the Call of Duty: Black Ops campaign level Numbers. It is strongly hinted that it was created by Dr. Maxis.

[[Image:621px-Thundergun.png|thumb|none|400px|The Thundergun in-game.]]

== Winter's Howl ==

This weapon is featured in "Five" and Zombie Verruckt, but only in Call of Duty Black Ops. It is able to freeze zombies on impact, lowering their health drastically. In later rounds, it seems to make zombies health go down and takes a couple of seconds to freeze. It has a 6 round magazine and 24 shots in reserve. When pack-a-punched, it becomes Winter's Fury, and has a 9 round magazine and 36 shots in reserve. Frozen zombies have ice surrounding them. It is currently unknown who created it, but it is possible that the Americans created it because of where you find it (the Pentagon).

[[Image:WintersHowl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Winter's Howl in-game.]]

== SOG Knife ==
The SOG Knife is a special knife used by the player (as Alex Mason) in the mission "Victor Charlie". This is the only time the SOG Knife is in use.

It is not a SOG knife it is a Randall Model #14 Attack. Gunner 313

[[Image:Shot0159.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SOG Knife in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0167.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SOG Knife been drawn.]]

== Tomahawk ==
The Tomahawk axe is a melee weapon that replaces the throwing knife (or tactical knife) from ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]'' in mutliplayer. In single-player, it's only available on the mission "Rebirth" after obtaining it from a Russian harbor worker and killing him with it.
[[Image:Tomahawk-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tomahawk in Create-a-Class.]]
[[Image:Tomahawk-BOthrow.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Tomahawk being thrown.]]

== Ballistic Knife ==
The ballistic knife is a powerful melee weapon that available only in multiplayer and zombie modes. The knife is firing blades with a spring inside the body. In real life, this knife is used by Russian special forces units like Spetsnaz.
[[Image:BK-BO.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ballistic knife being reloaded.]]

== Crossbow ==

The Crossbow is a new weapon that featured in ''Call of Duty: Black Ops''. It is speculated to fulfill the role of a quiet, long range weapon. The crossbow appears in the campaign mission "WMD", which is set in the Ural Mountains, 1968. Crossbows can have different types of bolts which it can fire, such as normal bolts and Explosive bolts. The crossbow is a military grade crossbow that can attach a scope, which the player can steady.

[[Image:Shot0205.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Crossbow in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0206.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Crossbow in reloading.]]

== Flamethrower ==

A flamethrower of unknown model has been confirmed to be in Call of Duty: Black Ops as found in the "GKnova6 document" which can be found here: [http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr135/priceman14/doc10.jpg]
The document only refers to it as "Improvised Weaponry" in "Phase 1 Testing" with most of the other information redacted.

Another model appears as an underbarrel attachment.

The image used by www.codblackopsblog.com
[http://www.codblackopsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Black-Ops-Weapons-Flamethrower.jpg]

Reference image of Flamethrowers in Call of Duty: World at War, a past Treyarch game that featured flamethrowers. Image from www.gameinformer.com
[http://blog.al.com/techcetera/2008/12/Pelilucodwaw.jpg]

[[Image:PSG1pic.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Flamethrower mounted on FAMAS F2 FELIN. ''Note ankward M16 handguard'']]

== Main Knife ==

The knife returns in Call of Duty: Black Ops. It is still a one-hit kill, but unlike the previous versions, seems to cause a very large fountain of blood to appear after knifing an enemy.

[[Image:659px-KnifeBlackOpsMultiplayer.png|thumb|none|500px|The Main Knife in-game.]]

== Prison Knife ==

The Prison Knife is a melee weapon used in the mission "Vorkuta" in Call of Duty: Black Ops. It appears to be a jagged piece of scrap metal, similar to a 'shank' or 'shiv'. After Mason acquires another weapon, the prison knife is no longer equipped, and is only used by pressing the melee button. You can see blood on the blade, probably from stabbing the prison guard. Upon closer expection though, I found out it is just a piece of glass with black tape around the handle.

[[Image:624px-Prisonknife.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Prison Knife in-game.]]

== Karambit Knife ==

The Karambit Knife is a combat knife used in the Call of Duty: Black Ops mission Executive Order. It is used to kill a Russian soldier by sticking it into the soldier's spinal cord, killing him, allowing the player and Frank Woods to take their uniform and infiltrate the launch site. Though this blade is used only by US Federal Air Marshals currently, Mason and Woods could have used it instead of a normal blade to aid in the purpose of the mission. Unlike a normal blade, it is shaped like a jungle cat's claw.

[[Image:561px-Karambit_Knife.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karambit Knife in-game.]]

== Bowie Knife ==

The Bowie Knife is a special melee weapon which can be bought for 3000 points in Der Riese, Kino der Toten and Five. It is larger and wider than the standard combat knife in Call of Duty: Black Ops (or any Call of Duty game for that matter). It increases Knife damage from 150 to 1150, making it a one-hit-kill for zombies from Round 1 to Round 11. It is a one-hit-kill to Hellhounds all the way up until the third hellround.

[[Image:BowieKnifePolkCompetition2-1024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Bowie Knife in Real Life.]]

[[Image:Bowie.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Bowie Knife in-game.]]

=Discussion=
This game has a cold war look to it

==AK74u==

In game, it is a ak74u, not an aks74u. U=carbine S=folding stock.
The in game models are all mssing stocks, so are only an ak74u, as they are called in game. It should be noted as such, im sick of having to re change the main page and want to get this cleared up/

I don't care if there's no stock, there's no such designation as "AK-74u". Also, try unlocking the "grip" attachment for it. That adds the stock back on. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

AK74 is base model, u means shortened, s means folding stock, etc. So chopping stock off makes it a 74u

I am fully aware of what the designations mean. Find me an actual AK-74 carbine produced from the factory without the side-folder and actually labelled "AK-74u" (cannot be simply an AKS-74U with the stock detached), and I'll gladly change it back. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

It doesnt matter how it left the factory, it matters how you modify it. If you put a 4.25 inch barrel and slide on a full sized 1911 do you call it a government model or a commander? I mean its a commander model but left the factory a government.....

This isn't the Call of Duty Wiki, kid. We don't promote misinformation as fact like they do there. We refer to and classify firearms as they are in the ''real'' world, not the ''game'' world. That means referring to it by its ''actual'' name (AKS-74U, not AK-74U) and classification (carbine, not SMG). It doesn't matter what it's called in the game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Im trying to put the corerect designation, maybe even note there is a ak74 u and a aks74u, remember that we cant say a gun has a folding stock if it has NO stock. a 7.5 inch barreled ar with a stock is a carbine, taking the stock of its an ar pistol, not a ar stockless rifle.

But "AK-74U" is ''not'' the correct designation. Look at the [[I Am Legend]] page and you'll note that even though Will Smith's AR is modified to appear as an M4A1 in the movie, we still classify it based on what it ''came out of the factory as'', a Colt Law Enforcement Carbine. Also not that the most recent AK iterations as well as the AN-94 all have side-folding stocks, yet no "S" in their designations. Your AR "pistol" comparison also has no validity in that those so-called "pistols" all fire the same full-sized .223 cal./5.56mm ammunition and as such are pistols ''in name only''. So like HashiriyaR32 said, unless you can provide proof of an actual real life AK-74 carbine ''factory-produced'' without a folding stock and bearing the in-game designation, it stays AKS-74U. You're in the domain of the "gun nerds" and real life fact takes priority over in-game fiction. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Accuracy of Game==
I have Black Ops and have beaten the campaign, while the missions range from 1961 to 1968 the game is LOADED with anachronisms, im not sure an alternate reality would explain for having FAMAS F1s ( ''In fact, FELIN´s'' --[[User:Werc|Werc]]) and AUG A1s in the 1960s. Also they have the M16 in Vietnam with a so-called Masterkey system on it, im not sure that they had Masterkeys in Vietnam but it looks to be an Ithaca 37 stakeout attatched to the M16, also nearly ALL of the NVA soldiers are armed with SPAS-12 which is completely wierd. Any comments from people who have played the game?
: Yeah, you are right. If this game would be atleast fun. But its boring, MP is even worse than in MW2 ( ''And MW2 had worst MP of all'' ''times'' ), SP is boring like hell. There is nothin such as AI. Storyline is boring an unoriginal. Weapons are both anachronistic and unrealistic. Nothing like kicback even on Mosin Nagant ? '''THIS GAME SUCKS, just like MW2 did''' --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 06:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Do you get a nickel from EA every time you rag on the game? And there are many things I can say about the story, but "unoriginal" is not one of them. I have yet to play another FPS where the player is mentally ill and one of the main characters is merely a hallucination. (Unless there's an "A Beautiful Mind" FPS I don't know about.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

well i enjoyed it , and if i tape a shotgun under the barrel of my M16 why cant i call it a masterkey . simmons 8492

I know that most of the weapons in the game are anachronistic and that's a little bit sad for a cold war game, but a lot of those firearms are never seen in video games, that's one thing that made me like it. Perhaps,I enjoyed the stroryline from the begining to the end, I love the Zombie mode and the multiplayer is great (at least when I play with my friends). --[[User:VillageFroid|VillageFroid]] 19:19, November 11 2010 (UTC)

==AKS74U a RIFLE, not a SMG!!!!==

It seems like its cool to put the 74u as a subgun these days, WTF. Its a Short carbine.
:It's an SMG.
:: '''LoL.'''
::Traditionally, a carbine is defined as a shorter variant of a full sized rifle, which the AKS-74U clearly is. The definition is a bit looser today. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:::The AKS-74U is a Carbine, meaning shortened assault rifle. The AK-74 is the main model. The "S" means its a Carbine. The "U" means it has a folding stock. --ZEER
:::: No :) "S" ( Sklopnyj - somehing like "foldable") means folding stock and "U" ( Ukrochenyj - Shortened ) means carbine :)

An SMG is a machine gun shooting pistol caliber rounds, which 5.45x39mm doesn't qualify as.

At least this time around they managed to get the name of the gun right. :/ [[Special:Contributions/124.148.203.141|124.148.203.141]] 07:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

A carbine is a short rifle, not a shortened assault rifle. I don't think the Mosin Nagant is a assault rifle or the M44 Carbine Mosin Nagant is a shortened assault rifle. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:From tactical point of view AKS-74U can be classified as SMG because of its size, as well as Mk 18, 9A-91, SR3 etc. But from a technical view all those are of course ultra-short assault rifles.

Just to confuse everyone a bit more, Colt marketed the CAR-15 as a Sub-machine Gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

::The manufacturers are actively MARKETING these ultra short full auto 'carbines' to fulfill the submachine gun role in both military and law enforcement applications (both The M16 and the AKs have been sold this way). That's why people call them SMGs. The guns makers routinely muddy the waters as to the difference between the two definitions themselves. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Guys, IMFDB has always classified the AKS-74U as an assault rifle (see my recent page for the movie ''[[Icarus]]'', for example). It may be used in the submachine gun role, but it is a derivative of the AK-74, which is unmistakably an assault rifle. So I am going to defer to tradition here; we have to be consistent.

:::Also, bear in mind that the original AK-47 (the weapon we all think of as the classic assault rifle) was once thought of as a submachine gun in many of the armed forces that carried it (including the People's Liberation Army of China). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

::::Video Games are ruining young minds. assault rifles shoot rifle rounds, not pistol rounds. put down the Modern Warfare and Bad Company.

It's an Intermediate rifle, like the P90 or MP7A1, slightly smaller caliber but with an effective range between a rifle's range and a sub gun's range.
:No, that is an incorrect comparison. The AK-74U is just a compact rifle since it fires an assault rifle round, not an assault rifle "styled" rifle. The P90 and the MP7 are designed from the ground up to be PDWs that fired ammo that are necked down rifle rounds instead of pistol rounds designed with the same armor piercing power as the full size rifle. It's like the Colt Model 733 or the 933 or any of the other shorten assault rifle variants. A submachine gun is always compared to weapons that fire pistol caliber ammo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:15, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

But weapons like the SAM-R use the same caliber as 933 and 733, 5.56x45, and the SAM-R is used as a DMR. i doubt the 5.45x39 could be a marksman rifle cartridge. even though its longer than the 5.7 or 4.6, its range and accuracy are not that of a true assault rifle.

==IGN reviews the Call of Duty: Black Ops trailer==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292tCSCvFQY

I wish that IGN would actually hire people who know what the hell they're talking about, instead of a couple of conceited pricks who think that the M4 Carbine assault rifle existed thirty years before it was produced. Not to mention the fact that they also erroneously refer to it as "a machine gun" and the Steyr AUG assault rifle series as "submachine guns". [[Special:Contributions/203.59.108.117|203.59.108.117]] 11:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
::nerd rage
: You gotta cut people some slack when it comes to these kind of things, why would we expect the guys who analyze video game trailers to know any more about guns than what they see in video games? Although calling the AUG a sub-machine gun was pretty boneheaded...[[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 16:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well even though the M4 Carbine wasn't around at the time. This game takes place during the Cold War, Vietnam, and the rest of the time period was not yet announced. You can't be sure when the game takes place until you see it, even though they announced an era, they didn't announce a time line. I'm sure you know that the M4 was made to replace the CAR-15, but the SOG got their hands on the newest weapons before they went into service. Which means, once the M4 was made, it would be sent straight to them. And besides, like he said, its just a game.

::I love how the only defense for the anachronistic weapons is "SOG got it before everyone else". That must mean that when US Army Rangers charged up onto Omaha Beach in 1944, they must have had M4A1s and M16A4s kitted out with EOTechs, Aimpoints, ACOGs, and PEQ-16 laser/light modules, right? Or when SEALs were hunting VC in the Mekong Delta, they must have had SCARs and M249s, right? Or how about the Battle of the Alamo, where Davy Crockett was picking off Mexican soldiers with an XM29 OICW, right? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

: Yes the excuse is a bit weak, but don't you think that analogy is a bit extreme? So far the differences have only been maybe 2 or 3 years, not 20 or 30 like in your analogy. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

We've been having this reoccuring conversation that the AR-15 in the game should not exist at all. There might have been conceptual designs for a flat top AR-15 carbine, but it isn't like SOG could hold up a picture of an M4 that hasnt been thought up yet and tell some gunsmith to make this with flip up iron sights, which also shouldnt exist. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Now I'm actually hearing rumors is that this is an alternate history themed game, so that would just debunk weapons that shouldn't exist if it is alternate history [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

: Oh I wasn't even thinking of the wierd AR-15 when I said that, I guess you're right. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:So what if ''Call of Duty: Black Ops'' takes place in an alternate timeline? ''Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater'' and ''Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker'' feature alternate histories and yet they still managed to retain a sense of realism when it came to firearms. Treyarch needs to take a leaf out of Kojima Productions' book. Also, while we're at it, I wonder just how much they have paid these so called SOG veterans to keep their mouths shut about the inconsistencies of this game and instead talk about how their old buddies in the unit regularly included crossbows (equipped with explosive rounds, no less) in their field arsenal while completing missions. [[Special:Contributions/203.206.7.125|203.206.7.125]] 06:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==zombie mode==
Hey guys, Zombie mode on Black Ops includes 2 maps, each bringing there own unique cast of characters
-Kind Der Untoten-
-All classic Nazi Zombies Characters

-Five-
-Fidel Castro (Holding Colt Python)
-John F. Kennedy (Holding China Lake Launcher)
-Richard Nixon
-Robert McNamara
These maps i have not played that much but from what i have there are these weapons
-Kind Der Untoten-
-Olympia (Over & Under)
-Walther MPL
-PM-63
-MP-40
-Mystery Box (Any number of assorted weapons)

-Five-
-Olympia
-Walther MPL

-will they have it? It is treyarch, but i havent heard anything solid yet.
:The article that I read (and summarized below) seemed to indicate that they had something other than zombies. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully not copying spec ops.....

Maybe it's aliens.

Area 51 anyone? Eh? Eh? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 22:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

its been confermed . for news hit up black ops 24/7 . they dont have 100 percent accurate weapons lists but its the best site out there

==What's the type of grenade under the M18 smoke grenade on the breaching artwork?==

Is it just me, or there's some type of White Phosphorus grenade under M18 smoke grenade on the breaching artwork? The guy who wields the MAC-10 has it. http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1458/uknowngrenade.jpg

Here is the original version: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100522160405/callofduty/images/4/4b/100355837.jpg

==add m16 to page==

It was delted since there was no in game footage, but then there is a m16 slung to the main guy's back on the cover. i say add it. I know theres no in ge screenshot yet, but look, theres no in game shots of 1911s either.

Buddy, that stuff has been added already-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

m16 has been removed, only "ar-15 carbine" is there.

==='''M16 is in.'''===

I am not sure which version is that, but i added it as A1.
:I see no forward assist and a three-prong flash hider in the screenshots, so it looks to be an original M16. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It have been confirmed in '''Call of Duty:Black ops INSIGHT''' trailer.

Oh crap, they mentioned Sonny Puzikas, I remember that name from the spetsnaz episode of Deadliest Warrior.

==Weapons that would make sense==
M72, M60, M14, Stoner 63, M40A1, M16A1, MAC-10, Remington 1100, Smith & Wesson M76, Browning Hi-Power, Hawk MM1, Smith & Wesson 39

AK-47, AK-74, Mosin-Nagant, PM Makarov, Steckin APS, SKS, Dragnnov, PKM

-Add any other weapons that would make sense
:M3A1 "Grease Gun"/Suppressed M3A1, Carl Gustav M/45/Suppressed M/45, suppressed Uzi, CAR-15 w/CGL or M203, Ithaca 37, Remington 870, Remington 7188 Automatic Shotgun, SOG modified RPD, M-60 "Death Machine"(M-60 w/ cut down barrel and ammo pack), HK-33(Harrington and Richardson T223).
:RPD, MAT-49/suppressed MAT-49--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 13:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Dirty Harry's Smith & Wesson Model 29 and Tony Montana's "Little Friend"
:What the hell do you have with those movie guns ? Why should they be in ?

It would be amazing to see Sa. Vz. 58 there. It was frequently used by vietcong fighters as USSR´s help.

::The M60D, the M1928 Thompson, the PPSh-41, the StG44, the Winchester 1200, the RPG-2, the SKS, Norinco Type 54, M1 Carbine, and the Sten. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:14, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:::It would be good if they could do a proper tactical reload? If you reload a gun with a round in the chamber you will have an extra round which means you should have a 31 rounds on let's say an M16A2.

''''''Some good proofs''' :'''

http://nam64-75.hill.cz/download/file.php?id=691&sid=c3ccbd4348543db02c420df186cb428c ('' '''NVA training''''' )

http://www.quansuvn.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41.0;attach=4972;image

http://nam64-75.hill.cz/download/file.php?id=1169 ('' '''SSG Patrick Tadina with his Vz. 58''''' )

http://www.psywarrior.com/rewardforguns.gif ( '''''Vietcong fighters firearms info poster, left side, third from down''''' )

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1164/biethaisamopal9wq.jpg ( '''''Captured Vz. 58 on left''''' )

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/joshuadowdle/Dad.jpg ( '''''In hands of SSG Patrick Tadina''''' )

''SSG Patrick Tadina - Legendary, five-tour Vietnam ranger. He is in rangers´s hall of fame.''
Lee Enfield SMLE/ Jungle Carbine, M1 carbine, M2 carbine, SKS, Webley, Skorpion, M1 grand, RPG-2[[User:Greywolverene|Greywolverene]]

==Should be==
There should be M72 LAWs, M60s and M14s. cause this is Vietnam baby!

Nah. They just arent cool enough for Treyarch. And if they will add those weapons - They will all have RIS rails, scopes, lasers, GL attachemnts, silencers.... --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 11:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)No need for your cheap sarcasm here. This game doesn't seems to pursue that Nam atmosphere with rocknroll, massive chopper assaults, jungle patrols and "smell of napalm in the morning"

I'm sure you will also be able to pick up laser weapons and crap like that. [[User:SargeOverkill]]

if anything there going to have those guns , and ruinthem buy adding rails and underbarell shit.simmons8492

==E3==

Added E3 screens - .357 Python and AR15 .

== Not an AK-47 ==
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the mag isn't curved enough to be a 7.62x39 mag? It could be a -74 prototype, without the flash hider. Given the time frame, this may make sense.

Thanks for that, I also didn't note it before. It looks to be a WASR-2/3.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

:This game seems to have a lot of rendering issues when it comes to the guns [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
OMG it is damn videogame for god's sake, the guns aren't real and are nothing more than 3d drawings -of course they aren't going to be exactly like such and such gun. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

'''3D drawning''' ? Hell, that would be interesting. And GTFO, this is '''firearms site''' and ''YES'', we care about reality. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing that out. We are a gun site and we pay attention to details. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:24, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Well guess what, THESE ARENT GUNS!!! They aren't effing real they are nothing more than 3d models that someone threw together in 3DS MAX or whatever the hell they use so of course its not going to be up to every detail, That's why I don't do VG pages anymore--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

::You appear to have missed the point of this website...

::Yea. The prop guns in movies aren't real, or air-soft guns. This website is for identifying fire arms, and if you didn't know that then you obviously missed the point of the website, like he said.

AsAstra, the point that I don't think you're understanding, is that even if they're merely three dimensional renderings of the guns, and not the guns themselves, we should try to be as correct as possible. If something says that it's an Ak-74, but actually looks more like a different gun, we should call it the different gun, so as not to confuse anyone new to the site. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

On the topic of the AK, knowing video game developers the AK being used by the Vietcong will most likely be the same one in those snow picks. I don't think we can call it a 47 right of the bat.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Fixed the WASR-2 messup. It's not a WASR-2. NO WASR series of rifles have the stamped steel MAGWELL DIMPLES. When looking at the screenshots the AK in game HAS those magwell dimples. That right there shows it's not a WASR.
Some people are still saying it could be WASR-2. It's not a WASR-2. WASR-2's are new production (within the past few years) rifles from Romania made ONLY for semi-automatic use and for importation into the US. There's no way on God's green earth that the rifle in game is a WASR-2.

More than likely this is just an AK-47 with an incorrectly modeled mag. They ARE modeling these things after airsoft guns ya know.

== Degtyarov ==
It just cant be DPM. Lok - It totally doesnt have ironsights - And MAG isnt on top. + Its very unlikely some guy will cary Spas12 and Degtyarev. I just think its some AK type - Or it may be some different gun, but it isnt Degtyarev.
You may keep it there, but it will be false information.

==ummmm==
This page really needs a cleanup or a deletion.
There is also too much informal talk on the page itself, infact all of it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 04:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

===Moved from main page--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 04:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)===
== AR-10 ==

Another unknown M16 family gun. But this one seems more like [[Armalite AR-10]] A4

[[Image:AR10-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armalite AR-10 A4 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:AR10.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M16 Family unknown gun as appeared in Black Ops teaser.]]

:The magazine seems too long to be an AR-10
::Thats looking a bit like a STANAG Magazine. The STANAG Magazines are compatible with many NATO weapons, including the SCAR-L Carbine, the M4 Carbine and the M16 Rifle. Even if it were an AR-10 its likely that it would be chambered for the standard NATO round and accept the STANAG type magazine.

Also the AR10 is a civilian gun right? So why would special forces like that guy above be holding it? I personally think its an M16(either A1 or A2) with a scope attached to its carrying handle/iron sight.

:It's a strange AR-15 Carbine with a flat top [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

AR-10 is not necessarily civilian. It is entirely possible that SOF would use one.

I think is not AR10.AR10 use .308 or 7.62x51mm round and the magazine large and short than AR15.[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]

: Its uselles to keep AR-10 discussion here. We all know its that ankward AR-15 or XM177 or whatever.

== Un-identified guns ==

[[Image:MP5G3.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Un-identified gun '''1''' : Possibly [[MP5]] or [[G3]].]]
[[Image:UNKNOWNLOL.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Un-identified gun '''2''' : I totally dont know.But it may be some russian one.]]
It seems to look like a [[MAC-10]] or an [[Uzi]] with the stock extended-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
[[Image:UNKNOWN THE MOST.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Un-identified gun '''4''' : Its hard to tell which gun this one is, but it looks like [[Beretta AR-70/223]] or Daewoo K2. I think that this gun could be any gun I see and AK there but it could be a siper rifle for all we know]]
As to the first unknown gun, it's too short to be a G3, so I believe it's an MP5. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

im not sure but with those ironsites id say a g36 . i hope they brink the one from COD4 back i loved it. simmons 8492

In black ops there appears also a weapon that an elicoptero is in use for throwing .. it appears in the game in the level 2 as harpoon
[[Image:Harpoon.jgp]]

== RPK ==

From the looks of it, it might be an RPK-74. Note the 45-round banana mag and the flash suppressor.

The "RPK" and the "Valmet" are the same guns - look carefully at the screenshot. Given that the 7.62mm AK-47 appears in game and the timeline, I'm gonna say that it's not an RPK-74, but a 7.62x39mm RPK or one made to look like a Valmet for some reason. Maybe Treyarch modelers are using 80's action movies as a reference for their RPK model. *shakes head*

No. Look on that "RPK" an you will see typical RPK stock. Look on "Valmet" and you will see it doesnt look like Valmet :)--[[User:Werc|Werc]] 03:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Look at the front of the Valmet trigger guard. Now look at that same exact place on the "Valmet" in the game picture. Different. There is no Valmet, it's an RPK.

Moved "Unknown LMG" stuff to the RPK-74 section. Whoever posted those images under there originally failed to notice the way the RPK-74 front sight is canted compared to the Valmet. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 14:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

==M1911==

In the title screen there is a soldier holding a 1911 i believe it also says something on the side.

It says "Sally" on the slide.

The 1911 looks more like the first and not the A1, look at the ejection port.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's to hoping it's 1911s will be in the arsenal in multi-player, and not the tease in MW2 --[[Special:Contributions/67.181.114.114|67.181.114.114]] 07:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)JanG

well am i the only one who thinks WAW did a horible job of represting the stoping power of the .45 . i mean the gun does nothing in the game , but in real life its a man stoper. simmons 8492

Game balance. That's why [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

i under stand but the walther is better in that game than the 1911. at least the .45 in COD4 had some good stopingpower to it . i know its a diffrent model but still . simmons 8492

and lucky for me , the boys at trayarc made the M1911A1 the manstoper that it is .SEMPER FI!!! simmons 8492

one thing i noticed is that some times the player racks the slide and it stays back like its empty . i dont get it. simmons 8492

Its a useless flair that can be done with a real gun by pushing up on the Slide release as you pull it back and then release it after its locked. I did it on my Hi Power after seeing it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== good decision ==

As well as Weapon customization there will also be a character customization feature.
- That game is gonna be just awesome. Character customization ? Damn, just in R6:V style (ha-ha)

* Custom characters? hell yeah --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 00:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
i agree with that customization policy, i liked how in R6V2 they did that, and i can only hope they bring back CoD4s M4A1 Grenadier back, and i also completely agree with the historic battle/ war thing as compared to a (***Spoiler) nuclear warfare and a domestic terrorist plot, i would much rather see Black Hawk Down pop up in a newer game as opposed to Vietnam, but i would settle for a Operation Acid Gambit type game also.

Customizable characters in a game where... you can't actually ''see'' the character? FAIL.
* Customizable characters in game where will be 3rd person mode, and where other players can see it ? Your post '''fail'''.
:When did Black Ops become third person? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It isn't. He's saying that other characters will see your 3rd person form. Also, it's noteworthy that MW2 DID have third person mode.
:So then I've gotta agree. Character customization in a game where you can't actually see your guy seems like a fail to me, too. It's not like anybody in MP is really gonna stop shooting at you to say "hey, cool guy, what kind of vest is that?" And how do I activate this third person mode in MW2? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:: Well, i dont know. But what about trying "3RD PERSON" in "Play" screen ?

I think it's hilarious how people are whinig about the customization... Go play R6. Custom characters work in FPS games.
:Yeah, i bought R6:V2 not so long ago and its amazing. I think that game has best character customization ever. Its only pity you cant do anything with your teammates.
:R6V also has a cover system where you can actually ''see'' the guy/girl you're playing as, a third person mode cheat, and player characters who actually have voices and speak rather than being mutes with no form of personality whatsoever, none of which Black Ops has. I simply think character customization is unnecessary. That's not whining, it's called ''having an opinion". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

How does the post fail it was an update its not like i'm wrong. its not like i said there would be some sort of Grizzly Bear cannon. it was a NEWS UPDATE!!! THINK next time a stupid comment is thought by yourself.
Also heres the ANSWER the other players can see you just like AVP. so thats how customization comes in handy. [[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]
:First off, I never said ''your post'' failed. That was ''your'' response to ''me'', smart ass. I was commenting on a feature of the game I think is unnecessary, something I'm fully allowed to do. You aren't the lord of opinions around here. Second, comparing Rainbow Six to Call of Duty is about as much of a failure as one can accomplish. Lastly, who the hell cares if another player can see you? I wouldn't be customizing my character for other people, just like other people aren't going to be customizing their characters for me. It's not like everybody's gonna stop shooting and comment on every other player's individual character, is it? The only stupid comments on here are coming from ''you''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it's more for identification than anything. So if you're pissed at one guy, you can just look at him ans say "Hey it's that one guy, Imma kill 'em", instead of reading the little tiny red words above their head that is often jibberish anyway. Just my opinion, though. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 03:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== MP5k ==

You think they're putting that in there to copy MW2?
:No I think they're doing it to fulfill their MP5 quota. MW2 wasn't the first game to feature the MP5K, broski.-protoAuthor 00:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about that. They also have an AUG in the game and a SPAS-12. Not a coincidence that MW2 also has these. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

- Heh. Spas and AUG were in tons of other games. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 05:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

But THIS game is directly part of the COD franchise. It's a bit repetitive to show guns that has been in previous games. Well ok WWII games don't count because they cant help having the same guns, but this is supposed to be Treyarch's turn at making a new game, but so far, none of the weapons are new. What about instead of the SPAS-12, we get an 870, or instead of the AUG, we get...any other bullpup rifle of the time. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinkin' maybe they showed off the MW2 guns first to get MW2 fans interested in this game. Then maybe later they'll show off some new guns. Here's to hopin'. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 22:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I derinitely think they're putting the MP5k in to copy MW2. They could have put in any other variant of the MP5, variants that weren't in prototype stage and would probably be more combat effective, but they went with the k variant. That said I don't think it's any coincidence the SPAS-12 and AUG is in there either.

You don't get the fans back with the same old guns. You draw interests with NEW guns that hasn't been used before. Variety and distinctions. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, Treyarch apparently didnt start copying first. MW2´s specops get idea fairly sure from WaW´s coop system :D
:The latest issue of the official xbox magazine says that they originally had planned on having co-op throughout the entire campaign in MW2, but cut it because it messed with the narrative. Or, it would've been way too fun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
the AUG was stupid in the game, no1 in USSOCOM uses that gun
* Would you mind telling what do you have against bullpup designs, beside "the looks"?--[[User:WhiteSlift|WhiteSlift]] 11:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
* Heh. MP5k get into service 20 years after Vietnam war. There was only prototype in latest parts pf Vietnam war. MAC10 or UZI would be much more realistic in hands of US soldiers. Atleast much more than prototype gun. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 06:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
*"MP5K get into service 20 years after Vietnam war"...the MP5K isn't that new. Considering that the war ended in 1975, and the MP5K was introduced in 1976, you are way off.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 01:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

true why would they be carrying a Prototype in to combat

Well how much differently could essentially just a shortened MP5 with a foregrip work from the regular MP5?

Because it's a video game that doesn't care about accuracy and realism. I mean what loser actually waits until Picatinny rails to be invented? Go ahead and put them on your rifle in Nam, it's the new trend.

Why are you complaining about the AUG in particular, I mean USSOCOM doesn't use it? Yeah, well they sure as hell don't use the deagle or the AA12 or the FAMAS but I don't see you complaining

"I mean what loser actually waits until Picatinny rails to be invented?" Picatinny rails have been around since 1913, broski.
:Not in their modern version, Broseph Stalin.

You all are forgetting..this is SOG, not SOCOM. SOG could carry into battle whatever they wanted to. Could they have carried a prototype MP5K? Sure! Keep in mind..they had access to stuff that NOBODY ELSE in the military had access to at that time. Hell..one time they brought an airhorn with them and scared the crap out of an entire NVA division with it.
:Look, I can understand having access to weapons no one has ever heard of at the time, but you can't have access to weapons if it doesnt EXIST in the world yet. I mean just because they are SOG doesn't mean they have their own special gunsmith to factory make new parts and designs for weapons that haven't been thought up yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== What the hell is up with this AR-15 Carbine? ==

It looks like a 733, but at the same time, not since it also has a flat top, but the scenes in the trailer that showed this rifle is assumed to be Vietnam era, so a flat top AR-15 shouldn't exist at the time much less a rail system for it. Also the same AR also has a rear iron sight on the flat top. This doesn't make sense [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

- I think its XM177, but customized way to much. Its mucb more possible that Treyarch just failed. I think they just added rail system/flat top just because MP. You know, attachments. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 05:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

::It cannot be an XM177 if it has a flattop receiver. Those did not exist when the XM177s were introduced. The flash hider is also Vortex, not the XM177-type. The game's 3D artists might have been ignorant about what AR carbines existed at the time. But that is not an XM177. Not by a long shot. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the game's 3D rendering tech was mostly like stone because it's the 60s and 70s, but the trailer animation is horrible! I could barely tell what was going on and the weapon details are no where like MW2. Say what you want about MW2 when it comes to consistencies, but at least they can render their weapons correctly. My first upload of that funky AR-15 shows the handguard as this polygon like thing. And did flat top receivers exist during Nam? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

:::''And did flat top receivers exist during Nam?''

:::No, not at all. My recollection is that the Colt ACR (introduced in the 1980s) was the first AR-type rifle to feature a flattop receiver. Even though the ACR was a bust, flattops were subsequently carried over into future AR generations. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

With these seemingly anachronistic flat top recievers and flip up sights I think this game is headed towards failure. Seems like they're taking the MW2 route and making their "balanced" and cosmetically changed multiplayer weapons also appear in single player. I hope by some miracle they don't or else they don't get my money.

:And here I remember talking to my brother about how they can fuck up the M16 by either putting A2s or burst A1s, but this is WAY over there in the incorrect area. Haven't they seen any Nam movies? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

: Excalibur01 - or use five minutes just f-i-v-e f**king minutes of their time and try to google some Vietnam-era photos. Or they could hire someone with at least basic knowledge of era background and weaponery. You know, they spent money on countless other things. But I guess that Call of Duty is now like B-rated action movies. Make as many as you can and don't worry about the quality. Nobody gives a s*it about how it looks like or if it is correct as far as it would look cool and geek teen age kiddos would pay the money so they could play multiplayer on their lagging net servers. [Ragnar - 22:25, 19 May 2010]

Hopefully they at least have the M16 have full auto instead of burst, would make it more fun that way. I did read that this isn't taking place in vietnam on yahoo news which probably is incorrect but this is ridulous of the weapons they are putting in.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:48, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

:I read an IGN article that it'll take place throughout the Cold War, from the end of Nam to Cuba and also Princess Gates London [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I researched the history of picatinny rails, turns out Treyarch may have actually done very good research. This is what I found: "The MIL-STD-1913 standard was developed out of efforts during the M16A1 Product Improvement Program which eventually resulted in the M16A2. One of the abandoned ideas was a receiver with a built-in rail. In the 1970s, Rock Island Arsenal experimented with a sniper AR-10 with a Weaver rail. In Vietnam, the Model 656 had a built-in rail." Source:http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-18737.html
I don't know about you guys, but I'm now willing to believe the rails on this AR (Model 656?) isn't a goof at all.
:Well, its always good to know new thing :) But i think it still wasnt regular Vietnam equipment. And i also think there wont be even M16 or M16A1 ingame.--[[Special:Contributions/85.71.49.215|85.71.49.215]] 04:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::True, it wasn't regular Vietnam equipment. But these aren't regular soldiers either. These guys are top secret black ops, higher than tier one operators. They can use any weapon in the world, even ones that are in secret development. And you're probably right, I doubt there'll be an M16, simply because these experimental ARs look cooler, have a bit of mystery around them, and can accept multiple attachments. But I wouldn't be surprised if they name the rifles M16.

The model 656 looked like this:

[[Image:model 656.jpg]]

It was just an early M16 with an early style rail system. So far, I have not found images of a Carbine with these types of rails, experimental or not. Rails were not on the forefront of military minds before the 90s. The military didn't even decided to put rails on the M16 until a decade after the M4 came out. And even the Model 656 rails were not on a flat top receiver like the ones on an M4. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Aw crap, there goes my theory. Looks like it's back to just being a Treyarch fail.

I'm not one to justify inaccuracy in videogames but, the upper receiver on the 656 could easily be swapped with that of an AR-15 carbine. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure...but the one we see in the game is not the same rail receiver as the one the 656 has. It has a flat top like an M4 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that the front sight isn't removed when an optic attachment is present, an improvement over other COD games. Maybe Treyarch realized an AR would be bolt-action if the gas block was removed.
:Low-profile gas block is not visible from first-person perspective. And 3-d person gun models were made as low-poly as possible to minimise system loads(this was crucial because games was intended for Xbox in first place)

Who know CAR-15 with rear flip up sight use in vietnam war? I see a south vietnam flag in picture.[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]
: No. Though, prototype flat-top receiver and flip-up like on your screen could be possible, but it just doesn't look authentic to the time period. I wouldn't mind if they put in something like Model 656(pictured above). But they really need to get rid of that modern-looking AR.
[[Image:CODBOAR-15b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

It's just like the Aperature sight in W@W, but no where near as bad. I don't see why people are making such a big deal out of it, sure it's not exactly authentic, but it's far from game ruining like what a lot of people here are saying.

== Complaints ==
Hey, it's a game, not a history lesson. It's all about fun and style and so. I do like a realistic movie or game, but I don't hate a game just because the artists created something they think it's better this way. Nobody complains when a director sums up a car ride that would take 1 hour in real life in one scene in the movie, or when he puts the light where the sun can never be just to make it look good, but when someone puts a cool looking AUG in a game set before 1977, because it looks cool, or creates his own creative vision of an AR-15 everyone freaks out. All the time you hear people say "They should have done better research!" or "They don't know anything about history!", but maybe the did research, and they know history, and they discussed it and decided that they want to create something own, because they feel it fits better in their creative work than what real life history can give them.

*Yeah, you are right. Now we need M1 Abrahams tank in some Napoleonic Wars strategy. Cause that tank is just cool - right ? Or maybe M4 Carbine in WW2 shooter ?--[[User:Werc|Werc]] 16:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

::Treyarch is legally obligated to keep the timeline from going beyond Vietnam. [http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/03/04/the-activision-lawsuit-what-it-means-and-where-it-s-going.aspx] If that means they have to cheat a bit regarding the weapons, I'm willing to give them some leeway. Let's face it, we're probably the only people who truly care anyway. None of these inaccuracies are going to keep any of us from buying this game when it comes out and playing the heck out of it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

They're not legally obligated to keep it from going beyond Vietnam. As that article says..all they need is full approval from West and Zampella. Considering those two aren't rampant assholes..it's a total possibility.
:That's a bit like saying other people can write Harry Potter novels as long as JK Rowling is okay with it, or other studios can make Star Wars movies as long as George Lucas is okay with it. Have you looked at the games IW has made? Have you noticed a pattern? (For those who don't want to look, all they make are CoD games. That is literally all they have going for them.) Sure, they COULD give away their golden goose and let someone develop else something Activision has given them exclusivity with, but I can't imagine a single scenario where they would. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 10:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

* Well, msot of CoD players wont even recognize M16 and M4 or HK416. So yep - We are maybe only ones who care about it :/ --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 16:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
::And mind you, Treyarch is the same developer that had Japanese troops using suppressed MP40s with reflex sights in WaW. Oh, and a RAY GUN TO SHOOT ZOMBIES. That being said, I was devastated when I found out that MW2 wouldn't have zombies, and I'll be even more devastated if BO doesn't have them. IMHO, zombies was the best part of WaW. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
* And IW had OMOH with FN2000´s and IMI Tavor´s - So whats the difference :D Hope zombies will be includeProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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:Ok the Zombie thing in WaW was a side game. It's not part of the "story". If the zombies and the ray gun appeared in the actual missions, then we'd called bullshit but with a smile cause zombies are awesome to fight. The suppressors and red dot sights were for multiplayer to compete with COD4 at the time, so those don't count. We're talking historically accurate, period piece weapons. It's like we do a game taking place during the Civil War but we all got 1911s as handguns and M1 Garands as rifles. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::You're telling me you wouldn't play a Civil War game where you can use an M1 Garand? ;)True, they tried that with Darkest of Days, but it was terribly done. And second, you CAN get the ray gun for one of the campaign missions, and it is awesome. (You can take down a tank with two shots.) But I know what you're getting at. I'm just saying we shouldn't let the nitty gritty get in the way of good gameplay, especially since Treyarch already has one hand legally tied behind their backs. Would they want to make a Modern Warfare-like game set in present day or the near future? Sure, but they can't, they're legally handcuffed to inflexible historical fact. Besides, no game has ever gotten its weapons exactly right. We have an entire generation of kids who believe an M1 Garand can't be reloaded without firing the entire clip, or it has less stopping power than a K98K. I won't lose any sleep if BO has AR-15s with flat top receivers, but I will if the game sucks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 06:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
You know if there gonna screw this game why don't the just add a bunch of laser guns or crap. I mean i could understand if the weapons in the game where off, but i have a feeling this game is going to be a cluster F***
::We're basing a lot on two trailers and some scanned images from a magazine 5.5 months from release. I'm going to reserve judgment until I actually play it or at least hear from people who have actually played it. Treyarch has little to lose here. If it's great, people will praise them, if it's not, people already think they're the Fredo Corleone to IW's Michael Corleone in the Activision family. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::And while we're here, we've been talking about how the angle of the AK mag is slightly off, but is anyone else annoyed that if you do a tactical reload and drop half a mag, those rounds in the discarded mag magically go back into your ammo stockpile and you don't lose them? This has been true in 99.7% of all FPS's I've ever played. Gamers have accepted the idea of the consequence-free tactical reload for over a decade now. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You're right it's a crying shame. Not only because it's more accurate when the game keeps track of ammo in specific mags but it also adds another challenge and element of strategy. I also enjoy the one game I've played that keeps track of the +1 round in your gun when you reload. I wish more games were like that. Sad thing is I don't see COD heading in the right direction ever again.
:::::The one time I saw them do the tactical reload correctly was... Navy SEALs Quake, a mod for Quake II. Yes, it was a mod made by amateurs over ten years ago. The big game companies aren't doing it right because they don't want to. I remember the first time I played a game that had different animations for reloading with a round in the chamber and one without. Operation Winback on the N64, also ten years ago. It was a nice touch. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::'''Operation Flashpoint''', '''Rainbow Six: Raven Shield''' and '''Insurgency''' all did tactical reloads properly (ammunition is a number of magazines, not bullets, and if you reload a partially-empty mag it goes back in the pool), and the latter two also simulated +1 capacity. Insurgency is a mod but the other two are retail games. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 20:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

* But we arent complaining here about animation and bullet system, damn. We are critising look of those guns ! That stramge XM177/AR15 hybrid was seen many times in reveal trailer, so we can judge it. And it failed. Its still better when you have realistic gun without realistic ammo system than crazy-unrealistic looking gun with realistic ammo system. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 12:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think it'd be that hard to replace the skin. [[Black]] didn't give a damn about realism, but it was still enjoyable as hell. The way I see it, ultimately, it's just a game, to be played because it's fun, not as an interactive history lesson. If you want accuracy, watch the Military Channel or actually go out to the range. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Well, it doesnt have to be "interactive history lesson" but atleast a bit of realism would be nice. '''''BTW''': I visit shooting range once or twice in month :)''

As pointed out, we don't want TOTAL realism. Otherwise, one bullet hit to the chest is enough to kill you. At least head shots are instant kills in the game. But we're doing a game based on a particular period and it has to be accurate. I mean, if you were watching a WWI movie and see soldiers with M16s. That's a bit jarring right? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Now he will answer it isnt jarring. If the movie has cool effects and famous actors.
:::Jarring, maybe, but I don't know if it'd ruin it for me. (Is it a sci-fi film? Surrealism? A film by Uwe Boll?) It'd be one thing to have blatant mistakes, like M16s in WWI, but would it have ruined [[Saving Private Ryan]] if Sgt Horvath had a post war M1 Carbine with a bayonet lug and adjustable rear sights instead? Did the fact that the officers had Webley Mark VI's instead of Adams Mark III's ruin [[Zulu]]? Did the fake M72 LAW in [[Ronin]] take you out of the movie? If it didn't, it's because you chalked it up as a goof, moved on, and enjoyed the rest of an otherwise good movie. If it did, then I don't know what to tell you. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:52, 25 May 2010
(UTC)

Here's a hypothetical question: This game is called Black Ops, so theoretically, they can make up whatever they want, what do we know, it's a black op, and thus classified. What if all the weapons in the game were all fake, either outright, or fictional modifications of real weapons? Would we still be up in arms? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
: I hate to say it but you might be onto something. I've heard rumors that Black Ops will rewrite history and take place in an alternate past. This is probably how Treyarch can get around the legal restrictions of not being able to make post-Vietnam games and explain these BS weapons. Personally I think it's pretty weak but it explains it.
:: Well, if it does... Wait-It doesnt! I read some article with one of Treyarch members which strictly denied possibility of alternate reality. Ill repat it again : its just some Treyarch modeller fail. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 12:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
It's not rewriting history at all basically it's saying that during the Cold War what if there were some Black Ops that went down to keep the whole thing from escalating into an actual official war. Which is completely possible.
:::It doesn't have to be alternate history, just a secret history. It's implied that the JFK assassination will be in the game. Is the player the second gunman on the grassy knoll? Is he supposed to stop the second gunman on the grassy knoll? Does he successfully stop a possible third gunman? They can make up anything they want in that scenario. A mission can have the player equipped with a prototype laser rifle, but it's scripted so the rifle is damaged or lost along the way, and the technology is lost forever. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

It would be great if they do include Dirty Harry's gun and Tony Montana's "Little Friend".

The Steyr AUG (Armee Universal Gewehr - Universal Army Rifle) had been in development since the late 1960s, as a replacement for venerable but obsolete Stg.58 (FN FAL) battle rifles for Austrian army. It was developed by the Austrian Steyr-Daimler-Puch company (now the Steyr-Mannlicher AG & Co KG) in close conjunction with Austrian Army.See? It's not that wrong. Got it from http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm
:It's still wrong. Just because the AUG was in development doesn't mean a working prototype existed. And if it's supposed to be the prototype, why does the AUG in the game look like the production version, only without the grip, and not as depicted in the prototype drawing shown on the World Guns page? I think the whole prototype explanation is a lame excuse in order to include more modern weapons in the game. I would much rather see the weapons that SOG actually used included in Black Ops, instead of an assault rifle that we've seen about 5 billion times in other shooters. I already posted below how Treyarch could have used the Remington 7188 full auto shotgun in the game. This weapon was actually used in Vietnam, and as far as i know has never been used in a video game, but instead they chose the SPAS-12, which didn't exist at the time and has been used in dozens of other shooters.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown ==
The rocket launcher under unknown is an M202 FLASH rocket launcher. Ashdude01 20:20 19 May 2010

Yes there is i added it to the guns page but some moron removed it

moviemaster1993 11:58 may 2010

== Carcano M91/38? ==

The images provided doesn't shot much and it is said that it can't be a mosin Nagant because the barrel is too short. Well it could be the carbine length variant or any other short barrel bolt action rifle. I can't see anything in the picture. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems like its picture of that gun. Remember that game has to do something with JFK asassination and there can be barelly seen "Lee Harvey Oswald" on paper under that gun. So i think it have to be that gun - As some reference. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 03:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ever heard of the Mosin Nagant M44 carbine or the finnish retooled M38?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 11:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== M16 and XM177 ==

[[Image:Colts.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]

Looks like the guy here has either an M16 as you can tell by the barrel pointing to the left and the barrel on the right looks like an XM177 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a M16A1 to me..which makes sense..since the A2 didn't come around until the early to mid 80's.

== Embargo lifts tomarrow, the 28th ==

Ones the embargo lifts we will be flooded with info, especially about guns

What embargo? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

There was an embargo for some journalist who previewed the game(they also could have played it too)and tomarrow it ends and info will get flooded all over the web

* It ended and only few informations and no new guns appeared. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 07:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Valment m78 ==
:The M78 does have its own page here, separate from the RPK. But yeah, I don't think the designers are gun-savvy enough to have both of these guns in this game.--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 19:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

What the year of Valmet M78 build? I think is not use in vietnam war the NVA don't have a finnish weapons during the war.And i think in the picture the gun is not Valmet M78.[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]

: And Spas-12 was in vietnam ? It may not be Valmet, but it fairly sure isnt RPK. Or another Treyarch modeller fail ? --[[Special:Contributions/85.71.49.215|85.71.49.215]] 11:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone notice that the picture of the unknown AK-type LMG has a front sight that upright on the front side and canted forward on the back side like the RPK-74's front sight? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 17:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:The Valmet M78 was invented after the production of the M76 in 1976, which is another weapon considered anachronistic for the Vietnam War era if there's any in the game. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 01:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Time travel (well that would explain it) ==

[http://pc.ign.com/articles/109/1093572p1.html Another preview]
--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

The page doesn't exist [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
* Fixed that link. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 16:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Launching an SR-71 from an aircraft carrier? Is that even possible? O_o [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:They were able to operate a U-2 from a carrier, but that wouldn't be nearly as sexy as flying an SR-71, now would it? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 04:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it is, You know how these game designers do ALL of their research. (Man I'm sarcastic tonight)--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's pretty obvious that since MW2, the main source of research is action movies and Futureweapons reruns.

Damn straight.

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

Not that I have anything against the SPAS-12, AUG, or AK47s, but we need to see different types of weapons. What about an 870, or the AK-74? What about other types of Bullpup? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

: You think 12-year old child knows difference between AK-74, AK-47 and AKs-74u ? That wont make sence..... Why making more weapons when you can add only those "cool" and overused ones ? --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 15:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

My 11 year old brother can, just saying-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

well the ak-74 would be good , but no one would notice the difference. most kids playing this game dont know am1911a1 from a m14 . id like to see both

== Prototypes ==

Just to let you know: German games magazine ''PC Games'' had an interview with the developers. In the latest issue, they write, that the black special ops team can get any equipment they want, including non-standard weapons, brand new prototypes and even customized and special built single pieces, <quote>which no one outside the team will ever get to see</quote>. So that is the official in-game explanation for every crude weapon you can see in the hands of the player.
:That's what I figured their reasoning would be. It makes sense but it's still a pretty weak explanation if you ask me.
:So super elite 1337 black ops delta teams can even get weapons ''that don't yet exist''? WTF? Why didn't our SF and SEALs in 'Nam have M4A1s with KAC rail systems, lasers, ACOGs, EOTechs, and bullets that can home in on enemy soldiers from 50 miles away, then??? It's a conspiracy to disarm the public, I tell you! But in all seriousness, I think it's an explanation that doesn't hold water. That mentality might work in 2016 during MW2, but not in a past setting like Vietnam where small arms development has been chronicled and we know where and to what it led. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::I think it does hold water. Of course these finalized weapons weren't around in the late '60s to mid '70s. But how do you know their prototypes weren't? Most of the weapons in-game will either be early prototypes or in the case of the AR custom-built weapons made by the SOG operatives.
::Ok, they could at least make it look like prototypes, not like modern weapons.
::Okay, then how about when the next WWII game comes out, they give all the troops M16s, M60s, Mark 48s, G36s, AKMs, XM29s, and XM8s because, you know, super secret black ops teams can get any piece of kit they want, even if it doesn't exist yet. All they have to do is jump in Doc Brown's time machine, travel through time and grab the latest kit, then head back. 1.21 gigawatts! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I've said it once before, if it's done well, I will absolutely play it. Most people play game as a means of escape, so would it really make a difference if I shot a Nazi with an M16 or an M1 Garand? He's not REALLY dead. He's not even real, and we've contributed nothing to the winning of WWII, or any war. In fact, we've contributed nothing but to our own satisfaction. They're called video GAMES. Playing games is about having fun. I'm sure many if us here loved Nazi Zombies from WaW. Why? Because we love shooting Nazis, and we love shooting zombies, and Treyarch did us a favor by combining the two activities. And we love it even more if we can shoot them with a ray gun that comes out of a magic box. Was it historically accurate? No, but believe me, the history major in me learned to live with it. (Hell, now you've got me all worked up, because as I'm typing this, I can't wait to get the chance to catch Hitler and bin Laden in a meeting and spray the room with a minigun.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Ok i get your point, it's a video game, and fun or not it should have realism, i mean c'mon!-[[User:sargeOverkill]]
::::BTW, they already sort of did that with the Time Splitters series. And those games were awesome. (At least 2 and Future Perfect were. I never played 1.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I quite frequently have lots and lots and lots and lots of fun playing games, especially shooters, that adhere to reality. The reason I play a Vietnam or WWII shooter is because I want to immerse myself in the environment. That includes having weapons accurate to the period. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::I guess that depends if you consider these games historical or not. I just lump it in with Halo and GoW now, as CoD flew off the historical rails about two or three games ago, straight into "anything goes" territory, which was good from a story telling perspective. Even when it tried to be historical (up to CoD 2) you were still one or two men who personally killed half the German army. That's why I thought releasing WaW on Veterans Day was a backhanded tribute, because nothing honors veterans like a game that allows you to win WWII singlehandedly. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

==M14==

What with this being a Vietnam War game, I'm gonna be pretty pissed if you can't use a normal M14 rifle, without all the rails and crap.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I want to use an M14 like this in-game]]

Well, it doesnt look cool enough. Expect it with scope, silencer, thousands of rails and plastic stock. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 18:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

1. They'll Probably put it in.
2. the rails are the modern demands of a soldier including the ability to easily mount optics and other accessories easily. theres nothing wrong with it.

:I'd like a regular wood stocked M14, and if you want optics, they did make a scope riser mount for M14s before rail systems. As for silencers, well that's easy, and heartbeat sensors shouldn't bother to return. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::If they want to be accurate with attachments, then they should have a sniper scope and a suppressor (suppressors were available at that time).

Randy Shughart a delta force sniper never had anything fancy on his. as stated in BlackHawk down he had a vietnam era M14, with a scope. nothing fancy there. besides in vietnam there really wasnt a need for anything fancy. silencer, hell the vietcong already knew they were there because of the helo. Lam- hadn't been invented. and a tac light is slightly useless seeing how they were in a jungle 95% of the time. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 01:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

: All of these attachments really ''WONT'' make sence. '''But its Treyarch'''.

== AUG sans grip ==

What the hell is up with the AUG without a foregrip? I don't mind the fact the AUG is anachronistic, but come on...why take off something central to firing the gun. Maybe the gun is semi-automatic in the game, because our character has to plunge his hand into a bucket of ice to stop the burning after each shot.
:Yeah, I don't understand that decision. The only possible explanation I can come up with is that they used the AUG with a grenade launcher as a model, like this one [http://www.steyr-aug.com/240.jpg], and then just deleted the grenade launcher. But this would mean that no one working on the project A) ever saw a movie with an AUG, including [[Die Hard]], which I would think every male between the ages of 21-49 in the english speaking world has seen, or B) could put two and two together and figure out that putting your hand directly on a barrel is not practical. That, or the plot involves that character severely burning his hand. If not, it's an utterly indefensible and boneheaded decision by the Treyarch staff. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 22:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::And to be absolutely fair, the character is wearing heavy gloves while holding the barrel. But it still doesn't make sense. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

::What doesn't make sense to me is that they have a military advisor on staff. How come, at no point in the development, did this man point out that holding a gun barrel while firing is a bad idea, and has he not seen an AUG before? - Opening Poster.

::Doesn't the grip fold up?-protoAuthor
:::Yes, but you'd still be able to see it. [http://www.murdoconline.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/NEW-STEYR-AUG-right.jpg]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 04:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:I wrote that without seeing the image. Sorry.-protoAuthor
::::I agree with the grenade launcher theory, especially since multiplayer was done first. Who knows, they might actually change the standard AUG model before the game actually comes out.

The AUG without vertical grip.I think a gun barrel is very hot.[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]

In third person it's just a character model fail. In first person you grip I guess what you could call the "finger guard."

I've seen pics of the Austrian Army holding their AUGs by the trigger guard like a P90 but not the barrel itself, that's stupid. Plus, who the hell in 1968 would even take a design like the AUG seriously. The M16 was just starting to be taken seriously by military brass around 1968.

......Why the hell wouldn't they take it seriously? You do know that the British had actually adopted a bullpup design in 1951 for a very short time. Search Em-2 Rifle. It even had a built in optical sight on the
carrying handle. We Yanks then bossed everybody into adopting the 7.62 and the EM-2 was abandoned because it was in the .280 round so they went with the FAL which could be much more easily changed to use the 7.62
Actually, the EM-2 would be a better choice for this game or the SA80 prototype that appeared in The Professionals. I am aware of the EM-2.
=== Bullpup guns ===

If they want bulpup gun in game why didnt they coice Em-2 ? Or Famas ? WHY THAT ANACHRONISTIC AUG, damn.
The FAMAS is even more anachronistic than the AUG. The FAMAS was adopted in the early eighties and it used a different type of 5.56 ammo than the NATO standard.

: Yeah. It get into service in eighties. But atleast there '''WERE''' first prototypes in 1968. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 06:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

ummm...the prototypes of both the FAMAS and AUG were developed in the seventies. A better choice might be the Stoner 63 which had a history of use by the Navy SEALs and other clandestine units

== OXM article ==

Official XBox Magazine did a feature on Black Ops (July 2010, issue 111,) and I figure I'd share some highlights:

- It was inspired by the book "SOG: The Secret Wars of America's Commandos," by Major John Plaster. [http://www.amazon.com/SOG-Secret-Americas-Commandos-Vietnam/dp/1581606761/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275440842&sr=8-1]

- The SPAS-12 you use during the Tet Offensive uses Dragon's Breath rounds.

- At least from their description, the "WMD" level sound suspiciously like the airfield level in MW2.

The whole game looks suspiciously like MW2, just my opinion though. Hughjefender

- The M202 FLASH is confirmed.

- The M1911s with "Sally" etched on them also have tally marks on them.

- They mention a co-op feature that "appears to be a successor" to zombies, which seems to me would indicate no zombies. Bummer.

- Multiplayer was ready before the campaign, so some of the campaign levels are based on the multiplayer maps.

- Regarding anachronistic guns, "'In this world, anything was possible' for these soldiers, [Treyarch head Mark] Lamia explains. All equipment requests were granted by their superiors. Cost, apparently, was no object."

- And finally, a quote from the military advisor, Lt. Col. Hank Keirsey (ret) (and something I've been trying to point out for a while now) "The Historical Advisor fights to get every last bit of accuracy, but always has to concede to the need for excitement." Keirsey appears to be the military advisor for the whole franchise, not just this game or for Treyarch.

--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

:Money is no object is one thing, but designing a different rifle system like you would design a James Bond car is a different thing. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

: So, basically they said those soldiers can have any gun. Come on, Treyarch ! Give them FN2000´s , Plasma Rifles and Gravity Guns !
No, really. Off course they can have special weapons. But only those which were designated before 1968. Not those which were designated 10 years after.--[[Special:Contributions/85.71.49.215|85.71.49.215]] 04:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, but since everything is secret, how do we know the CIA DIDN'T develop the AUG, or the SPAS-12, and cover it up by giving it to Steyr and Franchi, respectively? How can we be sure we DIDN'T capture any energy-based weapons from crashed UFOs? (Mind you, I don't work for Treyarch or owe them anything, but I have to give them credit for giving themselves such a clever out.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 04:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::It seems like all these SOG's have custom-made pieces. And since Weaver rails did exist in Vietnam it would have been totally possible to make these weird AR's we keep seeing. Not saying I agree with this decision, but this is probably how Treyarch is getting away with it.

You guys are so wrong, My friend the NAVY SEAL told me something not to tell anyone else but I don't care. They are issued laser rifles just like the ones in Fallout 3 but have a disntegration setting meant for vaporizing. At least thats Treyarches logic. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:Calm down. I don't think any of us know when these weapons were in their first stages of prototypes and what they looked like in the prototype stage. Prototype weapons are definitely a recurring theme in Black Ops. Since these guys are above top-secret they can have experimental weapons that are also above top-secret. In the GKnova6 files, it specifically states the AUG in-game will be a prototype version. I wouldn't be surprised if the SPAS is also experimental and the weird AR is completely custom.
:::Cool

RC planes instead of predator missiles?

== Document from viral site ==

Over at the CoD wiki I found this "document" from an viral site connected to Black Ops: [http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100601175649/callofduty/images/3/3d/Doc10.jpg]. It describes the AUG as "very early prototype weapon; not in production". It also mentions the [[G11]]

and also the delicious China Lake Launcher
-Double Agent M

:It would be better if they included more of these prototype weapons. I would love to see weapons like BRG-15, H&K CAWS, Ster ACR, Colt SCAMP,etc. Even better would be a underwater level with the H&K P11! After all the inclusion of such weapons in the game will be better than the monotonous selection of Cold War-rea weapons like M1911,M21,G3,FN FAL,AK-74,etc.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 09:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

:I'll shit bricks of joy if the G11 is in there. I've wanted that gun in a Call of Duty game for as far as I remember. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

G11 eh?? im guessing its going to turn into the MP40 from WaW except in speed instead of power

== M202 FLASH ==
I made a couple of changes in this section including adding of screencaps. I rechanged it back to FLASH because everything is anachronic in this came and it can't be the more rarer XM191. Plus I added a M202 FLASH image, which is actually from Far Cry Instincts Predeator, since I could not find a single good picture of it in the web.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 15:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:There's not anachronism, Treyarch keeps saying that all these weapons are prototypes. I'm not sure what people aren't getting about that. I'm pretty sure every weapon we've seen in American hands so far are a prototype of some sort. I think that the FLASH is the prototype version; why can't it be?
::The reference specifically said "M202." We're not going solely by the picture, but by what was actually written by someone who either played it or watched the game be played. And since I doubt the average game journalist is an ordnance expert, he only knew because it was probably labeled "M202" in the game itself. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:::You know just as well as I do video games often mislabel their guns either by mistake or just to give the public who don't know much about guns an idea of what that gun is instead of confusing them with specifics. I don't argue that it's going to be labeled M202, but I guarantee you Treyarch is intending it to be the prototype XM191.

:: XM191 was M202 prototype, just for your information. --[[Special:Contributions/85.71.49.215|85.71.49.215]] 04:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, I'm aware of that. But given the shall we say, unique, circumstances of the game, wouldn't it make more sense to go with what the game says, rather than what's historically correct? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes XM191 is a M202 prototype.American send to test during late 1970s in vietnam.And i see a picture of XM191 in vietnam war museum. info from http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl50-e.htm [[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]
Here is what it shoots

[[IMAGE:Treyasuckers.png]]

Wow look like a RPG7 rocket.[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]

==Not being able to go past vietnam?==

What is this crap I hear about treyarch LEGALLy not being able to go past vietnam in game? A comapny can do whatever the hell they want.

[[User:k9870]]

:I know, I was about to make this same post.-protoAuthor 20:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::From the article posted above (emphasis mine)
::"-Activision eventually convinced West and Zampella to stay with them by offering up a Memorandum of Understanding. In addition to extending their contracts through to October 2011, this legally-binding document gave West and Zampella some major financial bonuses as well as a couple other hefty promises. Chiefly, it gave the two "creative authority over the development of any games under the Modern Warfare brand (or any Call of Duty game set in the post-Vietnam era, the near future, or the distant future) including complete control over the Infinity Ward studio." '''In other words, Activision could not publish a Modern Warfare-branded game (or a Call of Duty game set any time later than Vietnam) without West and Zampella's full approval."'''
::West and Zampella were the two heads at IW who were fired in April. Now that they're no longer with the company, this might open the door for Treyarch's next CoD game to be Modern Warfare-esque, but there's a lot of litigation right now. The firing was way too late to affect BO, so they operated under the restrictions above. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I am still waiting for a WWI CoD with single- and multiplayer featuring France, the UK, the German Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Russia, Japan, Italy and the USA. Unfortunately this would be too expensive and only few people would buy it. Thus such a CoD will never be made. Sorry for half offtopic. --[[Special:Contributions/84.181.247.180|84.181.247.180]] 20:31, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Paul_Baeumer
:I would love to play a CoD WWI game. (CoD: Great War? CoD: Over the Top?) I'd like to see them change it so you can change out your melee weapon, so instead of a knife, you can equip yourself with an e-tool, brass knuckles, or a spiked club. (Sorry to continue the off-topic.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::And to stay on topic, how would they define "distant future?" Why not a CoD game set in 2110? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

== Why did someone add possible weapons? ==

Someone added possible weapon prototypes like the G11 and the Pump 40mm? I am removing them tomarrow if no one says anything about why they should be left on. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

: This document (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100601175649/callofduty/images/3/3d/Doc10.jpg) from the Black Ops viral site could be the reason --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

:There aren't possible anymore, it has been '''confirmed''' that they will be in the game, with other sites like Call of Duty wikia including them in their weapons list.

[[Image:DOC10.jpg]] 
--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 04:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, and the Call of Duty wiki is a beacon of truth... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The AUG and M202 have see in game trailer.[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]

== Still a little chance ==

Well, they are gonna include dedicated servers. So they apparently release modtools - So it seems like its gonna be possible change guns models, just like in CoD4. --[[Special:Contributions/88.208.103.46|88.208.103.46]] 09:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== M16 on magazine cover ==
It should be removed for now, seeing as there's currently no evidence to support its inclusion in the game. IMFDB chronicles weapons appearing in movies, television, and video games, not on magazine covers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Game mags are a great source of weapons, thats where half the screenshots we see come from, game informer and the such.
:Screenshots are one thing, but there's no evidence that the image is actually from the game, it might just be an illustration the magazine drew up. I would heap the image of the guy sitting cross-legged with the two .45s in there as well. It wouldn't be the first time that weapons on cover art don't actually appear in the game itself. ([[Medal of Honor: European Assault]] comes to mind.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
:Is it bothering you that much?
::Well, considering the site has rules against printed media, yes it does bug me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:90% possibility that's a box-art. Don't be nerdy.

The game sure went into a lot of detail on the 1911 not to use it, and besides, what else would they have, they cant screw up history enough to throw in deegs and berettas.......oh wait, never mind, they can....

vietcong with a spas 12, damn at this rate my dream of marching into the reichstag waist firing an aa12 may come true
:That could be multiplayer screens

== SPAS 12 Folded Stock ==

All i can say is: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!
--[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Its more tacticaler and badassish to keep it folded, only noobs use a stock, not hardcore 1337 operators! (video game maker logic))
[[User:k9870]]

At least thay didn't put a goddamn XM8 in the game, if they do, i'll throw my goddamn PC outta the window, 'nuff said --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:'''nerd'''

At least the developers weren't stupid enough to put a rifle concept weapon into a game that takes place during the cold war. At least we can forgive them with the inaccurate AR-15s. And has any game developer ever fired a shotgun without a stock? It's a pain and you can slap yourself in the face if you don't brace yourself. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:19, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:I can only think of two possibilities, 1) you're firing Dragon's Breath rounds with the SPAS-12, and using it as small flamethrower, so you can get away with firing it from the hip, and 2)more importantly, WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A SPAS-12 FIRED FROM THE SHOULDER WITH THE STOCK EXTENDED? The only time I ever saw it was briefly in [[Jurassic Park]]. Even that famous scene in [[Miami Vice - Season 1#Franchi SPAS-12|Miami Vice]], a show that did guns pretty well, with [[Jim Zubiena]], a professional shooter would presumably knows guns pretty well, had him firing a SPAS-12 from the hip. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q2Il86-38A] Do you think most people even realize that thing on top is a folding stock? Yes, you, me, and everyone who's ever fired a shotgun ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgptDs_Nncw| and now this guy]) knows it's stupid to fire a shotgun without the stock extended. But I don't think the general public knows. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's not stupid. You don't really have to aim at point-blank range. I'm curious how aiming down the sights of SPAS with folded stock will work.

I'd love to know the reasoning behind including the SPAS-12 in this game. It didn't exist at the time, and I don't buy the "it's supposed to be a prototype" line. If it's a prototype, why does it look exactly like the production model?(I could make the same argument about the AUG)
Most likely this is Treyarch just being lazy, or including a weapon simply because it has been popular in video games, or both. They could have included an automatic shotgun that really was used in Vietnam, the Remington 7188. It was basically a Remington 1100 with an extended tube magazine, modified to fire full auto. It was used mostly by the Navy SEALS, but I believe SOG made some use of it as well. It's a weapon, as far as I know, that has never been used in a video game. Instead we get the anachronistic SPAS-12 that has appeared in about 5 million games. If anyone is interested in the weapons SOG really did use in Vietnam, get a copy of "SOG: A Photo History of the Secret Wars" by John Plaster. It includes a chapter that specifically covers weapons, and there are ton of great photos. It's expensive, but worth the price.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:[[Image:MV-FSP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ludovici Armstrong ([[Jim Zubiena]]) fires his SPAS-12 at two drug dealers, while posing as a chauffeur.]]

I thought it was supposed to be a homage to 80's action movies. Or at least that's why I'm accepting it, because then I'll feel like I'm in an 80's action movie whenever I play this game. And what would an 80's action movie be without the SPAS-12 or the AUG? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

a littel of topic but, that guy has one of the shitties grips that i have ever seen

== Snake ==
The guy with the AR-15 and the USMC and MACVSOG tattoo the guy looks bad ass, I'm pumped for this dude.

I'm sorry but that sounded a little gay.

i dont think he has the globe and anchor tat , but because of him im going to grow a mullet and wear a head band shhhing people. simmons8492

== .357 ==

A .357, in a tunnel? I hope the game makes it so you won't be able to hear anything for a few minutes after you fire it, so you'd have to make the choice between shooting the bad guy or just meleeing him. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 19:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

:Anyone noticed reloading animation ? He just throwed out shells ( ''STILL HOLDING FLASLIGHT IN LEFT HAND - VISIBLE'' ) And then moved .357 out of screen ('' STILL HOLDING FLASLIGHT IN LEFT HAND - VISIBLE'' ) and than returned .357 to screen. Fully loaded. So it means he reloads revolver in few seconds with one hand ? ...... I just hope BF:BC2:VIïetnam will be much better.

Hey, I'll take that over reloading ''two'' double barrel shotguns at the same time without dropping one anyday. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 04:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It is a game.

youd be suprised what i can do with one hand. simmond 8492

== Grenade Launcher ==

Can anyone identify the grenade launcher used in-game? Here's the link to the video where you can find it. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-call-of/101273 The game labels it "Grenade launcher." It looks like an M203 but that didn't exist in Vietnam...
Also, here's some breaching footage: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-call-of/101260

Yeah they did, they went into service around 1969 I think
:Can't believe I got caught without doing my research. My bad.

It's an M203. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

== SPAS-12 ==

Anyone noticed (In first gameplay video) that EVEN RUSSIANS are equipped with SPAS-12 ? Can be seen around 2:53 lying on the ground next to russian guy....
:Yeah... This is turning out to be pretty fail...

Guys who cares, achronisms don't kill a game. Does it really matter if the guns are slightly innaccurate, all that matters to me is gamplay, good and fair online and ZOMBIES!!
:Call of Duty has always been accurate in the kinds of guns they present to you in single player, with the exception of Modern Warfare 2. So I think I can speak for many fans of the franchise, it matters to us.

Again..it is a pre-release trailer...game is still 5 months from release...

At least it's European, the Russians in MW2 carried Vectors and TAR-21s. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== "AR" Sling ==
I'm not one to complain too much about the achronisms, but I do care when things don't make funtional sense, like that the AR's sling, which for some reason is wrapped all around the gun, is stuck UNDER THE BOLT CATCH. It's not like they don't understand it's a funtional part of the gun, cause every AR varient in every COD that's had them has the empty reload where you press the catch... Also I noticed on the non-empty reloads the AR just kinda dips out of the screen and moves a bit then comes back up loaded, you don't see the mag, same goes for the .357; THAT'S lazy... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:05, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I liked the AR-15 reload, it looked real. He pressed the mag release, he let the magazine fall to the ground, and he held it there until he put the new mag in. It's alot more realistic than the MW2 reloads, were you wave your gun around the screen while reloading either to look cool or to make it obvious that you are, in fact, reloading your weapon. Most of the time though, people don't do that when they reload in real life, unless they're an idiot. The .357 reload was kinda lazy though, but I let it slide because he actually whips the cylinder back in instead of the light tilt that's all it takes to swing the cylinder back in in MW2 and most other video games. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I love reading these things to see how much constant griping there is..considering the game is still 5 months from release.

[sarcasm] You don't need to reload your guns if you are black ops, just lower them and they will be full again![/sarcasm] seriously thought, this game is REALLY start to be a dissapoint, and it haven't even been released yet --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 22:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I have noticed weapons in game have muzzle jump. MW2 and COD4 had none the guns stayed on target and took no skill to use. In this even the ar-15s rose. I like it.
:It's just cosmetic rise up, the sights will come back right on target after each shot.

Actually WAW some guns would go off target, like an mp40 or DP machine gun. More noticeable at range. Treyarch has recoil effects, which i like.

:It could just be that modern weapons were designed with a better understanding of reducing recoil. Most modern automatic weapons have straight-line stocks, which reduces recoil, as opposed to bent stocks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually look at mw2 ak, fal, m4, whatever, no recoil. WAW, mp40s would be shooting high after half a mag. I like recoil effects means you need more skill to shoot.

== M16 ==
Unknown [[M16]] ( Seems to be A1 ) covered with some kind of cloth or tape appeared in hands of soldier on one of BO´s artworks.

[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BLACKOPSM16.JPG|thumb|none|500px|M16 on cover of French Xbox 360 magazine.]]

I moved it from the main page because like we discussed earlier, it's just a magazine cover with nothing to back it up. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, that was nice turn. I added it on the page just because it ''HAD SOMETHING TO DO'' with game :) There arent any proofs that M16 will be featured (''unofrtunately'') --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 12:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
::Let's be honest fellas, it's hard to have a game that has much to do with Vietnam without having the old three pronged, triangular handguarded M16. My bet is that it will show up, armed with full auto and 20 round mags. Also, I'm pumped for the G11, that thing is gonna be epicly epic. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

:Is it me or is the picture in the magazine a reverse shot? Because I see the forward assist on this A1 as well as the ejection on the right side. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Bad Feeling ==

After realizing all the goofs that are popping up and watching more gameplay footage, I'm getting the feeling I got before Modern Warfare 2 released. Like they're throwing what was once a pretty legitimate game out the window for the coolness effect. And with MW2 that feeling turned out to be correct. Anyone else sensing the same thing?

Yeah, I've got the same bad feeling, except a lot sooner than I got it with MW2, maybe just cause I'm not really expecting much better after the disaster that MW2 was. Oh and COD4 is still fun ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

MW2 sucked..but MW2 was IW..CoD:BO is Treyarch. Are they perfect? No..but now a days they're better than IW.

I must say i really enjoyed MW2, and, in my opinion, Infinity Ward is still better than Treyarch, oh well, games can't please everybody, can they? --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 11:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully multiplayer is a bit different, mw2 multiplayer was old when it started since it was just like cod 4, at least WAW had vehicles.

-k9870

With luck they'll fix the problems '''before''' the game ships this time. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
:I hope you're right but I doubt it. I've never seen a game change much of anything five months before release.

Everyone here talking shit about IW? You're a bunch of idiots. IW makes far better games. I don't know why you don't like MW2, but it's one of the best of the series so far. This game, on the other hand, looks like it'll be a disaster (as nearly all of Treyarch's iterations are).
:Fuckin right.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 03:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say I hated MW2. Doesn't stop it being loaded with bugs that make the game seem like it was rushed out to meet the deadline. Now, if you're done fanboying... [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think it's entirely fanboyish. I'm pretty sure the general consensus of CoD fans is that IW games are better than Treyarch games. IW started the franchise, and CoD games are the only games they make. Treyarch is just along for the ride. But now that IW has lost almost a third of their employees in the last month, that dynamic may change. I have a lot of hope for BO, and I think it's silly to write it off based on a few trailers and three minutes of gameplay footage. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 12:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
::: My point was that MW2 was ruined by Acitvision trying to force IW to meet the due date, meaning they had to ship it with a whole range of bugs. However, some of the above poster's comments do seem to boil down to "It's gonna be shit cos it's not an IW game."[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:04, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I personally think that this game looks awesome, and i dont see what the problem is

IW gets the cred since they made the modern games, which people wanted. WW2 was old that siad Treyarch couldve done just as good making mw1 and 2. They had better fire lighting, recoil effects, etc.

:Bottom line is this. IW failed to have MW2 be better than CoD: 4, and this is why they've been put on hold. Treyarch's WaW was a brilliant game, and I still love to play it to this day. Treyarch has shown more promise then IW lately, and I'm sure they won't disapoint with Black Ops, as they plan to remove and fix all the shit MW2 got wrong. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

:: Let's replace your opinion with some fact. MW2 was better than CoD 4 based on the storyline and sales alone, without going into all the new multiplayer features. Was multiplayer a bit buggy? Yeah, for around a month. Treyarch's installments are considered, by those who have played the series, crap in comparison. WaW? That game was garbage. It was basically a recycling of levels from other games in the series that were reskinned. The game was a knockoff of CoD4 that took place in WWII.
:::I'm going to have to call BS on the better storyline in MW2. It's the first CoD game where you get to not only gun down civilians, but also kill American servicemen. That's better? Are you and your buddies playing MW2 in a cave in Kandahar? Big Red One was disappointing, but then again, it wasn't supposed to be a "real" CoD game. CoD3 did suck, I certainly won't argue that. I hated the idea of WaW at first, because WWII was so overdone, but I liked it once I actually played it. (There might be a lesson in there.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Now let's talk about Treyarch. Aside from their lameass 'cash-in' port of CoD4 for the wii (which was garbage), what did they do in the series? Call of Duty 3, Big Red One, World at War, and the current work in progress Black Ops. I don't know if you played any of those, but they were all terrible entries in the series. CoD3 was a gimmick game. 'Oooooh motion control and button mashing'. Big Red One was garbage, and WaW was a hack-job. What does that record suggest their next game will be like?

: Big Red One was awesome, shut up.-protoAuthor 18:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and Treyarch couldn't have made MW1 or 2. They lack originality; every game they released was a knockoff of either IW's designs and ideas or of another developer. The only reason Treyarch is getting to make more CoD's is because IW's execs left because they were being denied their contractually obligated bonuses. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 11:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
::Your timeline is off. Development of BO started well before the recent upheaval at IW. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

:Also, World at War is a superb game. Sure you have the god like MP40, but that's nowhere near as bad as OMA danger close noob tubes in MW2, and to anybody who's into WWII and it's weapons it's a hell of a game. It's no CoD: 4, but thank fuck it's no MW2. Treyarch shows promise, and if IW was doing Black Ops I would hold no hope at all. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

No offense but what your saying is that WAW was great in comparison. Thats not good logic at all, CoD4 is the best out of the three. No clue on BO but I have a feeling that since they wanted to justify cool guns that are anchoristic with that they are prototypes is just half-assed which may relate to the rest of the game. Also have you seen the reload animations?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
:When WaW was first announced, I was appalled. I couldn't believe they were staying in WWII, even after CoD4 skipped ahead to modern day. Looking back though, the fact that it's a WWII game is the only flaw I can think of. (Although, yes, it's a big one.) It restricted the plot, and WWII has been done to death. It was otherwise a pretty good game. I really liked the co-op campaign missions, the vehicle missions were well done, the voice acting was superb, and Zombies takes the game to a whole new level. Aside from the setting, is CoD4 really that much better? Is it time to give Treyarch the benefit of the doubt? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 04:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

:I agree with all of your points chinaman, and you're right, CoD 4 wasn't really all that better. Besides the modern warfare setting, it lacked many of the cool features and such that WaW introduced, and while everyone including me loves it, it wasn't overly better than WaW. I always applauded Treyarch for making WaW not so noob friendly, something IW did massively with MW2. Now the guys at Arch have been watching people complain everywhere about the shit in MW2, and so they know what to do to fix it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

== Goofs and screw-ups ==
Alright no offense but SHUT UP!!! You guys are complaining about the anachroistic guns in it but it's supposed to be that way. The freaking name is BLACK-OPS which means no one knows about it. What they are doing are saying what Cpt. Price said: History is full of lies. So, what they're saying is that this is not what they thought really happened but they are using their imagination to come with these historical ideas that fall in to the game. But like I said everything in it is supposed to TOP SECRET, so it's going to be anachroistic. But that's how it's supposed to be. It's TOP SECRET so none of us would even know about it.

and P.S. For all butt-holes who said MW2 sucks, Opinions are like butt-holes every body's got one, and nobody wants to hear the other one. [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 12:14, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

: Yeah. You act like 12-years old. But we all know you are 10 years old.
::For your information I am actually 12.

Look up mw2 bad spawns on youtube and you'll see how its flawed. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:28, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

::I take it that you don't want fans of the COD series to actually question the developers for making questionable (or stupid) weapons choices for the sake of a compelling narrative. Unfortunately, that only works if we didn't have already have lots of knowledge of the 1960s-1970s era of covert operations from the military and numerous books, which only makes the anachronisms more glaring to anyone who isn't 12 years old.Just like movie watchers, people playing games set in a particular historical era have a certain set of expectations of what ought to be present and what shouldn't. To dismiss all those concerns with a "TOP SECRET" excuse is ridiculous, since Call of Duty 1-3 all managed to be interesting without adding things that didn't exist in the same timeframe. Cursing at people because they disagree doesn't make your defence of Treyarch seem anything more than juvenile. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:52, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

No, I just wanted everybody to shut up about saying crap about the guns. So they maybe think that a AUG without a foregrip looks stupid, I think it looks cool. The graphics look good and it looks realistic. I am 12 so I don't care about anachrosism, but I know a heck of alot about guns and Call of Duty so yeah, I was a little mad but because alot of you guys are like in your thirties they are targeting this for people in the younger phase and are not expecting people to go Hey! The AR-15 wasn't introduced then and neither was the Grenade Launcher. I don't think Treyarch are expecting a Riot of AUG foregrip lovers to burn down their studio but come on guys, seriously. Do you have to take this that seriously, your calling me juvenile while your sitting in your chair going hey that trigger guard is rounde then it can't be a M9 so it has be a 92SB therefore they lied! I'm going to kill them! etc. etc. so hey try to be a little compassionate and maybe think about going outside your mom's basement. Ha Ha just joking. (not sarcasm) So what i'm saying is can you not be so depndive on every little detail. Would you like to make a Call of Duty game. Just please voice your honest opinions and not go on about gun mixups because it's really not about the guns it's more about the plot and story. [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 18:08, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that you people are taking these things too seriously. Since cod 4, these games are like action movies, rather than historical war role-playing type shit. Yes the anachronisms are disappointing, but I'm not really bothered by it and they were done for the sake of making the game cooler (and in my opinion any game set in Vietnam AND including a spas-12 is badass). If you want realism, than check out the new Medal of Honor. If you want Hollywood type action, buy cod games, because thats the direction the franchise is going in, which isnt a bad thing.

:Alright kiddies, let's sit down and have a nice list of what's wrong with Modern Warfare 2.
-One Man Army
-Danger Close M203s
-Commando
-The Spawn system
-Deathstreaks (especially Painkiller)
-Overpowered and unbalanced guns (ACR, FAMAS, UMP)
-Overpriced map packs
-non-dedicated servers, which leads to lag and host migration up you yin yang
-the OMA/Danger Close noob tube combo
-boosters galore
-10 Prestige hack lobbies
-The F2000 is a pile of garbage

So all said and done, that's a pretty big list of whats wrong with the game. You're free to disagree, but let it be known anyone claiming noob tubes are legit will be lynched. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The new Metal of Honor is just trying to cash in on the whole Modern Warfare craze we got going. Modern Warfare is the new WWII game of this generation. And because this IS a site that points out specific weapons, whether or not it should exist in the time period is our jobs on this site. Those of us who do take this site serious has an obligation to point out the holes and inconsistencies. That's what we do here. Call it bitching or whining, but that's what this site is solely for, nitpicking, pointing out obvious holes when we see guns in a movie, game, etc. We're looked up all sorts of history involving the AR-15 and just saying it's "Black ops" doesn't mean they defy the laws of historical consistency. In some of the Indiana Jones movies that takes place before WWII, we do point out MP40s and 98Ks should not exist as a fact. Even black ops of today would use the latest technology, not weapons that haven't been field tested or even made yet. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

: You, Excalibur, look like one of those very few inteligent people in this discussion. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 09:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Also, I've seen Beta footage and Medal of Honor just looks a lot like Bad Company 2. And to be honest, I could care less if the AUG or AR-15 or what have you is an anachronism in this game, as long as we're not talking lasers I'm fine. We're here to point out weapons in film, give pictures and descriptions of them, and talk about them, not bitch that a gun being in a game set 2 days before it was produced makes it a failure [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

:: Those guns arent 2 days befor prouction. Its ''8 years''. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 09:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Pointing out achronistic guns is part of what we do here, that said, for me it won't kill the game, unless there's a Modern Warfare 2-like pile of other stuff wrong with it too. Oh and yes the Russians & Vietnamese wouldn't use SPAS-12s but you're forgetting the only guns they've REALLY intended to show off so far are the AUG, SPAS-12, AK-47, M202, Python, and Crossbow, that's only what, six? I think they only picked these few guns to go in the trailers, and then reveal more later, so maybe the guns will be more where they should in the final version... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, God forbid we talk about firearm mistakes in TV/Movies/Video Games on a website DEDICATED TO DISCUSSING FIREARMS IN TV/MOVIES/VIDEOGAMES! I will continue to make comments on what, in my opinion, are idiotic firearm choices for this game. If anyone disagrees, feel free to reply, but don't tell me to shut up. Some of the comments above just prove my theory that weapons, such as the SPAS-12, were simply included because they are popular in video games, with Treyarch using the whole "prototype" B.S. as justification for their presence.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 05:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, how DARE they try to give players what they want?! You'd think they were in this to make money or something. What a bunch of whores! --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:27, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
::Really? So the only way for this game to make money is to include a SPAS-12? Is there that much demand for a SPAS-12 it has to be inluded to make gamers happy? Would the game be a financial failure if it wasn't there, and weapons more appropriate to the time period were included instead?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 06:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:::You said it yourself, it's what players want. And like you also said, it's minor. Games are made for the general public, not gun dorks like us. As a gun dork, I'm a bit bothered, but as a gamer, I'm thrilled that I can light people on fire with a shotgun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 09:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC) (gun dork and gamer)
^Hell yeah! [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 23:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:::: Does the success of the game depend that much on specific weapons that appear in it? You said yourself that as long as a game is fun, accurate/inaccurate depictions of weapons doesn't matter that much. If that's the case, weapons more correct to the time period can be included, and the game will still be a success ''as long as it's fun''. And I highly doubt Treyarch polled gamers and asked them what weapons they wanted to see in Black Ops. I think they were just acting on their ''perception'' of what weapons are popular in video games. So I don't know if I can say this is a case of "what players want", more a case of Treyarch saying "we think we know what players want". This is just a theory I came up with as to why certain weapons were included, I don't have any idea if it's true(although some comments from other posts seem to confirm it). For all I know, Treyarch is just being lazy and it's easier for them to include the well known weapons rather than do real research. At any rate, I can't see the inclusion/exclusion of specific weapons making or breaking a game.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 01:17, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::"At any rate, I can't see the inclusion/exclusion of specific weapons making or breaking a game." My thoughts exactly. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

You know, those that find it stupid that we are pointing out the anachronisms in this game should really just go to the treyarch forums, not post on a website dedicated to firearm identification. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, if those anachronistic weapons supposed to be '''early''' prototypes then they at least could make it look '''different''' from production models! That would be much more believable. Tryesuckarch is just being f-ing lazy. I don't mind flat-top AR, but they could make it not look like a modern one. And also if there is no simple M16A1 then it's a total fck-up in the Vietnam themed game.
::If they made it look different5 from the final gun, you guys would be even more pissed! You'd be like "How can they call that a M16A1! Look at it it looks nothing like the original!" Plus. how could Treynot-suckarch know what they would like? You guys wouldn't be pissed if this was a modern warfare game. In fact I bet that Treyarch probably wanted to do that but they couldn't(breathes deeply)you know what this is my last comment. I'm done arguing with all the stupid people on this site. If you have anything else to say you can take it up with me on my talk page. [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 13:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
:::You don't know what you're talking about. Photos or drawings of the prototypes can easily be found on the internet. A drawing of the AUG prototype is on the World Guns page, and the prototype SPAS-12(along with a photo of the SPAS-11) is shown on the SPAS-12 webpage: [http://spas12.com/spas12not.htm] And if Treyarch clearly states a weapon is supposed to represent a prototype and it actually looks like the prototype, no one is going to complain.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 00:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

:Are these mistakes any worse than some of MW2s fuck ups? Like the L86 with a made up drum magazine and iron sights that wouldn't be usable as it has a straight stock, the AUG cosmetically having a 30 round mag when it says 42? The MP5K having a rail system only seen on an airsoft gun in real life and so on. Let's remember Black Ops isn't set only in 1968, and so they have a bit of play when it comes to weapons. The M16 is confirmed (I have a friend doing beta testing) and is Vietnam styled. Now if anyone wants to instantly write off the game because it has a few anachronisms and shit in it, then your missing the point. So what if your using an AUG in 1968? It's not like lasers in WWI, and it's still fun to do. Don't focus on the hate, try and just enjoy it for what it is, a video game. If you want reality, go join the army and head off to Iraq or something, cause in video game land, reality will be broken. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]
:So you're trying to justify Treyarch fuckups comparing it to MW2? Fuckup is fuckup

One, I tottaly agree. Two, did your friend say if there is an M14?

:Yes, the M14 should be in there. Also, I hardly see mild anachronisms as "fuck ups" in a game that pretty much goes on alternate reality anyways. Treyarch has created a game all about the operations we don't know about, the cover ups, and the spec ops weaponry we don't see for years, so having an AUG earlier then it's commercial release can be forgiven. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]\

::Treyarch has the right to depict an alternate Cold War for all they desire, but as long as they try to play it off as the historical "truth" that no one knows about while maintaining all sorts of obvious (and IMO not minor at all) anachronisms, they are only leaving themselves open to criticism. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 23:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

:They aren't trying to play it off as historical truth, they're trying to go with an alternate truth, which makes perfect sense. Also, if I hear another person commenting on how rails are anachronistic, I'm going to snap. It's fucking rails on a gun in a video game, get over it. Black Ops will be an awesome game, and despite these possible anachronisms, I'll be gladly killing Russians in 1968 with my AUG thank you [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

I don't think I'm going to get this game. I'm getting a vibe that it's filled with silly crap much like Modern Warfail 2. I'll be playing the next Medal of Honor instead. -Frank T

:Medal of Honor looks like Bad Company 2 with Taliban, so that's the game I won't be getting. Treyarch impressed me with World at War, and they're aiming to please this time, removing and modifying all the bullshit Modern Warfare 2 bestowed on us. From deathstreaks to Commando, they're out to fix it all! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

I never really got that mindset "It's BFBC2 but slightly different so I'm not getting it". Well, if you don't like Bad Company 2 to begin with that's fine, but there's more of a difference between Bad Company 2 and Medal Of Honor than between COD4 and World At War, most of the difference was the setting so it seemed like a bigger difference, but the core gameplay was very close, and they were made by two DIFFERENT companys while BFBC2 and MOH are made by the SAME ONE. I'm not saying anything bad about them, I like the first three and the MOH Beta. And yes, Modern Warfare 2 failed in two ways: First, it was WAY too noob-friendly, like, before it came out I would've never thought it possible for a game to be that noob-friendly, and second, it traded realism for coolness in pretty much every way, while COD4, the game they'd JUST MADE, had a believable story, weapons that were almost perfect in terms of appearance and who used them, and the only real nooby stratagy was the M16 Red Dot, but oh well, there was almost only that one. I know Treyarch has said they're trying to get rid of the cheap MW2 stuff, and that's good, but I'm really not liking the direction this is going, picking the guns because they're cool and not because they make sense, even a little bit, the exploding crossbow bolts, how almost every weapon we've identified so far is either achronistic or has something wrong with it (go look), the Hind A with tandam seating, and when you get in you go through the long cool animation of getting in and starting up, but then it takes off in 2 seconds flat, and the lazy, lazy reloads... I'm not saying it's going to suck, I'm saying my hopes aren't high, sure it'll be better than MW2, but that's not saying much. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:Arguably Black Ops has issues, but don't forget that E3 footage comes months before the final product. So what if the Hind has tandem seating, does that make it any less cool to blast VC with it? So what if the reload isn't uber detailed, does that detract from you shooting people? So what if there's minor anachronisms, isn't this both a video game and an alternate reality? I'll agree the crossbow is kind of odd, but this game should be nowhere near as noob friendly as the god awful MW2. Modern Warfare 2 was built on the idea of helping bad players, but it only resulted in much rage for good players such as myself. Call of Duty 4 was made to break the mold on FPs games of the time, and it did and still does kick ass. MW2 was built to top it, and instead of that, they gave us an over dramatic, noob friendly game that overall makes me just want to buy a copy of CoD 4 again. And on MOH, I've seen some footage, and now I actually like it, sure it looks BC2 like, but thats no biggy, and overall that looks ready to rock too! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Okay, sorry, that came off as too bad against Black Ops, I know it's months away from coming out and no, the Hind's seating isn't really a problem, I was just pointing out that it was wrong, same with a lot of the stuff we've seen so far. My point was there's a lot of incorrect things in the game, not neccecarily game-breaking, just pointing out that COD4 and WAW were better in that regard, though so far the game overall looks pretty good :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

:To be really honest, it won't matter if there's minor issues and anachronisms, cause as long as Black Ops isn't as noob friendly and shitty as MW2, I'll be fine and dandy [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Exactly, but we still do need to point them out though. ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont see MW2 as "noob friendly", just as balanced. It tried too hard to make no gun any better than another. It also felt like cod4, like the core gameplay mechanics were all old when you started playing.

-k9870

:Face it dude, MW2 basically reeks of noob friendliness. You have deathstreaks, solely designed to help shitty players, noob tubes which when coupled with OMA and danger close are the noobs cannon of choice. You have the ACR and FAMAS, both of which are overpowered, then you get stuff like the UMP which at close range does more damage then an M4 Carbine. Not to mentionthe marathon lightweight commando set up used by knife fags so they can knife you from 12 feet away. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

And the overpowered Harriers, that killed everyone all the time and you could have 2 up at once, and they always beat the helos in fights, and Chopper Gunner, and Tactical Insertions, allowing people to boost really easily for the Nuke, that ended the game, and Slight Of Hand Pro that let everyone quickscope, yeah the list keeps going... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I always find a stinger to be good against harriers and because you can have 2 on you, most of the time, you can take even 2 of them out. Not Gunner choppers are a pain to take down [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

:Chopper gunners are a pain, AC-130s are worse. Not only can they not be hit by bullets or tubes or anything of that sort, but they have TWO sets of flares that can deploy without any delay. Tact inserts mixed with cold blooded and good old FFA is great for boosting, luckily now Sandy Ravage deals some booster justice (hell, even I serve justice to them now). Either way though, MW2 was clearly IW's attempt to top CoD: 4, which was a game built to revolutionize FPS games. MW2 was built to be playable by even the noobiest kids, over the top, reference movies every two seconds, and overall be a fairly shitty game. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The problem with the Harriers is they're way too good... unless you just pull out a stinger and then they're dead, which is a little too extreme both ways. The reason the helicopter was so much better in COD4 was because there were no guided rockets, you couldn't shoot the rotor (so you couldn't just hipfire the thing to death), and UAV Jammer didn't help you against it, it killed you anyway, not to mention it never seems to manage to hit you in MW2. What I hate is hearing "Helicopter Inbound", then seeing it shot down in literally 5 seconds... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Death streaks were only like 10 seconds long and didnt bother me, no guns were eoverpowered, there all balanced, too much if you ask me. C130s were easy to hide from and rare to see and i downed tons of harries with stingers. The noob tube didnt bother me, i used a m16 with m203 and iron sights as my primary weapon. Knife noobs are easy to shoot The problem was cheap tactics, like camping spawn points and getting your friends to camp with you in free for all so you could stab them and boost your way to a nuke.

-k9870

The only streak thats ten seconds long is painkiller, and it still sucks. The ACR has no recoil and can outshoot sniper rifles, so can the FAMAS. AC-130s are easy to hide from on SOME maps, but if you get spawn trapped outside, your screwed. The fact you use a noob tube on your primary gun choice sickens me, because ANYONE who uses them, unless to get the shotgun unlocked or in a tactical, non spam way is a complete noob and should be banned for using such a cheap weapon. Knife noobs are easy to shoot at times, but if they get within ten feet, commando is your demise. MW2 is a shit game, end of story, Black Ops is doing everything to solve the problems it caused, amen. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The m203 is useful to launch through windows and take out campers, and i use iron sights so might as well have an attachment. I dont use the m203 as my primary, but have it on my primary. And the ACR has low power at range taking on snipers. I countersniper with my m16 though, love irons, they have no sway like a scope. I hate snipers the most, there like socially acceptable campers. Its funny to lay out some noob who tries to quickscope though. It seems like no matter what you get called a noob though, m4 noob, noob tuber, shotgun noob, dual wield noob, knife noob....it seems everyoned thinks if yo dont use whaty they do your a noob, and c-130s dont bother me, there rare, people need 13 kills to get them. I hated when i tried to play free for all with some friends in a party and people are just boosting to nukes each round and cheating there asses off

[[user:k9870]]

agreed. it is always considered noobing. Snipers are annoying. it takes no skill at all to snipe. however there are worse things in MW2 then Snipers. for example- the people who camp in buildings like Wasteland or Scrapyard. "noob tubers" really arent annoying at all anyway. aggravating maybe, but if someone hits you with a M203 its your fault anyway. you should have been more alert. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

People always camped hallways and alleys and just shot anyone coming around the corner. Easy to just poke in and launch 40 mil at them. Besides, the thing has an aring distance, you need to arc it at range and reload was slow. Balanced.\

-k9870

:Face it, the M203 is a noob piece of shit. the combo of an M203 with Danger Close and OMA makes you a mini artillery battery. Also, how are you supposed to dodge a tube when people are shooting them cross map to your spawn? Nothing says pro like getting hit by a 40mm grenade shot hundreds of feet over buildings into your face. The M203 has no place in MW2, and I'd be one to have it removed. If retards can't use guns well, don't give them bullshit to help them, let them suck and they'll quit the game. When I pull my FAL out, I feel like a pro, knowing everyone else has the overpowered ACR and FAMAS and the tubes out, all ready to be scrubs, while I'm using something that's balanced and yet awesome. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Well said, though I wish the G3 was still in, and the fact that the ACR does a little less damage, like 1 bullet, maybe two different, makes no difference when there's absolutly no recoil, they still can't do anything by the time you kill them across the map from one huge sustained burst... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Are you all playing hardcore or something? And i have no people launching 203s around problem, you only get 2. And i could care less about harriers and 130s, you need a lot of kills to get them. There is a call of duty cultuure to nae some guns as oaky and some as cheap. I dont give a shit personally though. i just play. No matter what somebody will bitch about your gear.

I remember back when everyone hated p90s, that thing had no range or power and overall sucked.

You only get two M203s if your not using scavenger or the more common One Man Army. I literally see two or three people on my team per game using that stupid backpack, it's complete bullshit. The ACR may not do high damage, but it's high rate of fire and zero recoil means you can full auto the damn thing at any range. I think retards who dare to say the noob tube is a legit way to play should be banned from PSN or XBL and never allowed on any Call of Duty again. It's called a first person shooter, not first person grenade launchers. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:I wasn't aware that we can't SHOOT grenade launchers. I better go tell the guys at Activision/IW/Treyarch. -Chris_Hun7er 02:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The problem is more that games are good and balenced when everything has a place, if people start using snipers at close range and beating shotguns (that's more of a Halo thing, but the snipers quickscope and the shotguns are rather terrible), or shooting 40mm rounds at any range for any reason, it's dumb. The launchers in BFBC2 are well balenced, because they have a purpose and they fill it, and nothing else. The assault rifles in MW2 have a purpose, fill it, and then beat SMGs and shotguns at close range, and half the time snipers at long range. And the Javelin, not that I see it too much, is good against tanks, except, there aren't any, there's infantry and helicopters. A game works when things have a purpose and fill that purpose, but not anything else's purpose, and that's half of what's screwed up in MW2. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

:Excactly Alex. Bad company 2 had 40mms that had to virtually land on the person to kill them, but with Danger Close an MW2 noob tube will kill people even if they're up to fifteen feet away from the landing. To be honest, I think noob tubes should just be plain removed from Black Ops, and the tube fanboys can suck it while us normal players use our guns. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:Reality is fanboy the US 40mm rounds have a 5 meter kill radius. meaning that if you are 15 feet away from the blast you are dead as a doornail. the 40mm grenades in bad company are more useful as doorway makers and cover destroyers than as proper suport weapons. what is pissing off alot of us who care about little things called historic accuracy is the fact that even though they say that everyone had to read about MACV:SOG they have gotten few details right. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

It's true that the 40mm is not terribly powerful in BC2, but explosives need to be less powerful in games than they would in real life, imagine Claymores with realistic spread, damage, and range, without those stupid little lasers, and without bomb squad. Or frag grenades, they're overspammed as it is. Doing something like that is less realistic, but needed for the game to work. Having something like and AUG in 1968, or a SPAS-12 used by Vietcong around the same time... not so much. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:I agree Alex, because Claymores are really designed to take out a huge radius of enemies, it could easily wipe out an eight man squad. and a frag in a 10 by 10 room would really kill everything inside. If they went for realism, all the 5.56 assault rifles in MW2 would have the same damage and virtually the same recoil, but for balance the TAR is portrayed as extremely powerful, and the ACR weak. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Yeah, it just bothered me that they were THAT different, they could have chosen different weapons if they wanted to balence them like that or something, the part that bugs me the most is that COD4 was better balenced AND made more sense, it's just such a step back... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

All you people whining and crying about grenade launchers and snipers need to quit bitching and cowboy up. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Grenade launchers are balanced, mininum detonation range, slow reload, not very accurate (need to arc) only 2 rounds, and besides, use it to take down campers.

== Linked to World at War ==

It has been conformed that Reznov from World at War will appear in this game and even make comments about Dimitri Petrenko. This was seen on the Call of Duty Wiki

:Yes, as Reznov is more or less confirmed to be the bearded man you meet and then split from in the tunnel rat scene at E3. I'm happy to see him back, as he made World at War even better for me, maybe now he'll continuously yell "Fire the Javelin!" [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::"now he'll continuously yell "Fire the Javelin!"" What's a Javelin doing in the cold war? Oh wait I forgot, it must be a secret prototype no one knew about.

:Alright, I was thinking in an MW2 state of mind, lemme see. I know, how about him always yelling "FIRE THE LAW" in your ear every two seconds when something as small as a jeep shows up
[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Any links to zombies?

Yes. Confermed on callofduty.com

as lon as he goes all predator on some one like in wold at war , im fine with in, and being as that hes a soviet why is he with the us? defector or what? simmons 8492

== Has it occured to anyone that the AR-15 variant is probably custom made? ==

Treyarch has said that these guys could have guns custom built just for them, which I feel explains things much more adequately than just saying that they're prototypes of future (to them) guns. My theory is that he had a CAR-15 custom made with a flat-top reciever for tactical reasons. Maybe this caught on with the rest of the team, and whatever manufacturer they got to make these guns for them sold the idea later on. Of course this is just an excuse for the guns having the rails just to free it up for attacthments in Multiplayer, but at least there is some kind of excuse. Unfortunately this theory doesn't cover the anachronistic appearances of the SPAS-12 and the AUG, but hey, no game ever get's all of it's guns 100% correct. 

Edit: Actually it just might explain the AUG, because all it really is is a combination of ideas taken from the Enfield EM-2, 
Korobov TKB-022, and several other abandoned designs from before or shortly after World War 2. The only thing it doesn't explain is why it has the production-style built in telescopic sight, instead of the original prototypes open sights:
[[http://world.guns.ru/assault/aug_pr1.gif]]

:I can deal with the CAR-15 because it's at least ''plausible'', but the "SOG got it first" excuse doesn't work with the guns that didn't yet exist. The AUG isn't just a customized version of another gun, it's a standalone design on its own. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:48, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== For those of you who may be confused about the supposed MP5/UMP hybrid ==

This is what I'm talkin about: 

[[Image:CODBO-SMG.jpg]] 

As you can see, it appears that it has the reciever and magazine housing of an MP5 or MP5K, while the barrel housing (correct me if I'm incorrect in calling it that) looks like that of a somewhat shortened UMP. If you look closely, you will note that it has the MP5Ks finger guard (I'm guessing that's what that is) directly below the muzzle that looks like a cut down version of the full handguard found in this picture: 

[[Image:MP5Kprototype.JPG]] 

My point is I don't think it's a hybrid at all, merely an MP5K missing it's forward vertical grip, for some reason or another. And seeing as every other aspect of the gun is that of an MP5Ks, I think it's safe to say that's what it is, so I'm gonna change it to that on the front page. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 16:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

It ain't a hybrid, it is a real gun altogether. After doing some research I think I've found the gun or rather guns that it could potentially be. My first guess is:
*The H&K SMGI & II
http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=103:smg-i-a-ii&catid=11:rare-prototypes&Itemid=5
*And second guess being the MP5 PIP
http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=102:mp5-pip&catid=11:rare-prototypes&Itemid=5
[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 19:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== G11 ==

Anyone else as excited as I am for the inclusion of the G11? [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 19:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Just another anachronistic gun. Thats all. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 04:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I sure as heck am. --[[User:AK-74Fan|AK-74Fanc]] 23:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Eh the gun itself isn't that big of a deal to me, but I definitely am excited to see something that to my knowledge hasn't been in an FPS before. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 23:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
: Well, it have appeared already in few other FPS games. For example [[Delta Force: Land Warrior]], [[Global Operations]], [[IGI 2: Covert Strike]] or Code of Honor: The French Foreign Legion --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 04:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::Those games are not up to the modern standard, though. ;) [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 12:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:Really, you could say this is the G11s first appearance in a well known game, and will finally show it off to the masses. I love the weapon itself, and to see it finally make a big appearance like this makes me quite happy.[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

The G11 was in Syphon Filter 2 [[Special:Contributions/98.237.107.108|98.237.107.108]] 02:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Can someone link me the video of the G11 being used? I don't want to search through all the reposts and copies of other videos.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 13:23, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== XM214 Microgun ==

Since it's going to cover the Vietnam era, and the way these types of games like to go over the top, do you think there's a chance that the XM214 Microgun is going to make an appearance? I know it was only a prototype, and was it was made in the 70's, but I thought I read somewhere that the SF guys tried it out only to find that it was not feasable having a gun fire at 4,000 rpm.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:I think putting a Minigun in the game would be kind of stupid. I mean sure they could make it heavy and awkward to carry, but that thing would simply decimate anyone in it's path, whether they're behind light cover, in a vehicle or just in the open. I'd love one, but methinks not. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::Not to mention it's impossible to actually fire one with live rounds. -Mandaloin

== A more plausable fictional AR-15 ==

I can understand a frankengun, like some special forces guy back then would take several kinds of AR-15 designs and mash them together until he gets an awesome gun that works. And being special forces, they can get whatever they want to suit their mission, so it would make sense for whatever they take to not be standard issue or that it is known, but I don't like the flip up iron sights since I don't know when flip up irons came about or the flat top receiver. It's like they just took a Colt Model 933 and replaced the stock with an old style stock from the CAR-15. I mean, put a telescoptic stock on an M16A1 rifle, or A2 upper reliever on the Car-15 and swap out the pistol grip or something. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:That would make sense considering the special forces style of the game. Also, Sonny (from Deadliest warrior and such) was on as an advisor for Spetsnaz and tactics, so look for both some epic Spetsnaz moves and even a character of him in game! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Do we even officially know yet what model AR-15 it is, aside of course from the flattop reciever and flip-up sights? [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 02:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It pretty much is a Colt Model 933 without a brass deflector or forward assist, which actual does not exist. I have not seen a flat top reciever without the forward assist and the brass deflector. I don't even think flip up irons were invented back then. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I mean if they threw in a CAR-15 tricked out like the ones seen in Black Hawk Down, I'd have no complaints [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:+1. but they though it would look too bulky from first person perspective.

agreed. that movie was amazing. i wouldnt even care if you couldnt use the tac-lights but still the CAR-15s they had in that movie were amazing. does anyone no what the difference between CAR-15 and Colt Commando models are??? [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 23:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:I associate the CAR-15 with the XM177 style flash hider and the Commando to me is the M733 for it's short barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== New weapons! ==

Here's [[http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:GunWall.png]] a pic of a bunch of airsoft guns Treyarch has on a wall in their studio which pretty much confirms that they'll be in the game. 
From left to right, starting at the top: 
-M16A2 (?) 
-MAC-10 w/ supressor 
-AUG 
-Mini-Uzi 
-L85 
-Scorpion SA Vz 61 
-AKs-74u 
-Another Skorpion 
-SPAS-12 
-MP5 (?) 

Not sure exactly what the MP5 is doing as there already is the K variant prototype, and no idea what the HELL the M16A2 is doing there as there's already an M16A1 AND a CAR-15. What do you all think?
Sorry it's a bit blurry.

It could be a very blurry M16A1 or maybe because they somehow can bullshit their way into saying they got a prototype M16A2. And I prefer us to use the full size MP5 again. Looks like they got an L85 here. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

: That pic is here too :) Check out "extras" section in article :D

:The L85 got my gun-boner up, been wanting that since the MW2 L86 LSDisapointment. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::Dude, put that away. :P [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 12:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

We might also see the Browning HP because of the rumored "Iranian Hostage Situation" level. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]

:I wouldn't be surprised, but if I see another Desert Eagle, then I'll have to wtf. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::Deagle prototype and AA12 prototype + level is moved to Buckingham Pallace to add more drama to the game. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
:::Sorry, Buck Palace? Explain this? I assume this is a rumour, since so far Operation Nimrod has yet to be confirmed aswell. Sounds interesting though (if a little rediculous and implausible)
::::just kidding. I just jumped on the Black Ops bandwagon [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]

Im guessing the a2 is used since its more availible and when they do motion capture it would look the same. showing how someone moves with a m16 s what they're looking for,

:Also, the footage showing the Spetsnaz game models doing rolls shows the player holding and firing a clearly Vietnam era M16A1, so that's there for sure. Also, I do believe the Iranian Embassy raid will be tacked on much like Mile high Club in CoD 4, simple as a fun epilogue style bonus mission. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

"Black Ops is said to be set in various locations, including Vietnam and Cuba, [3] and judging from weaponry and dates given in the trailer, it is set between 1960 and 2010."
a quote from here: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops

I really hope there's a Browning HP, cause it's cool and cause I'm Canadian lol. It might be in to be honest because in COD4 the Overkill and Last Stand pics had a Glock and then it was added in MW2, and the Overkill pic in WAW was a Browning HP :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I hope its just "iranian embassy raid inspired", not the real thing, i want more than 6 guys to shoot.

:This is Call of Duty, so you'll always have plenty of enemies to shoot. And yeah Alex, as a fellow Canadian, a Hi-Power would be a nice handgun to have in the game, and period correct. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

As much as I love the Hi Power and actually owning one, I don't want to see one in a game such as call of duty just because of the attention it will recieve from nerds spamming videos on youtube "HEY THIS GUN IS IN CALL OF DUTY!!!!1" It gets really annoying and that kind of attention seems negative to those that actually collect guns. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:Partially agree with you there. I hate the attention guns get from these games (and suddenly every 12 year old becoming a firearms expert [yes, obviously the M16 is better than the AUG just because CoD says so]) but, I enjoy being able to play with them. Win some, loose some. Well, one or two firearms forums have noticed a HUGE increase in the number of people looking for the 'ACR'. As have a few rifle stores in the 'States that I know of have been plagued by idiot teens looking for hi-tech military grade gear...

I hope there is a HP, they need a 9mm gun for MP (more ammo, less recoil, but less damage) and Id rather see a cool gun then a lame generic beretta coming in.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Browning HP, (heck Indiana Jones used one, who wouldn't?) But then again it may look just a little bit too similar to the M1911 that's already confirmed for this game, so it's addition might be just a little visually redundant. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 05:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hi-power and m1911...look similar? It sounds like "Elephant&Rhino look alike" or "M16 looks like AK 47".

I said they look similar. Not exactly alike. Besides, when it comes to COD, all of the guns are supposed to be easily distinguishable on the fly. If they gave one a different finish it'd be perfectly fine.

:Maybe so, maybe not, but all I'd like to hope is that the bloody ACR doesn't return, or else I'm burning down Treyarch studios. Honestly, MW2 just had cool and shiny guns that everyone would like, as opposed to realistic and proper guns used by militaries and militias. Of course the AK needs rails and a retractable stock, that makes it cooler! And of course we have the Barret, because it's big and makes a loud boom! And of course we have a Glock 18, because it's a Glock! I swear, it's like the IW developers had no idea what real special forces, Rangers, Spetsnaz and Militia would be equipped with, and instead went solely with cool, popular and impractical guns. Black Ops sounds like it's trying to be period correct, or at least have some different guns that other games. Sure there's an anachronistic AUG, but atleast it's not an ACR or Intervention in 1968! Rant complete! Also, I've heard lots of rumours of the Beta being released August 1st, anyone got any info on that? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

I've heard that rumor too, but as far as I know it has no information to back it up

some guy was selling beta codes on ebay (£12 for a demo!!!) but they have been pulled. unluckey for the 10 people that bought them as the guy was new and had (0)--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 22:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

They don't really need a high cap 9mm, while it wouldn't be realistic but they could do it like they did in WaW. I remember reading something about a old guy that was killed in his home and over 30 guns stolen and he had a Uzi and a FAL. The guy was in his 70s as I recall and someone said "a uzi and a fal? LOL someone plays to much MW2!" even though the guy most likely never heard of MW2. The FAL used to be fun to look up on Youtube, I discovered it through sportsman guide as a parts kit so I looked it up on youtube and it was just educated comments about the gun. Same video a few months later after MW2 came out it was just gaming nerds that thought they knew guns commenting. I don't want to see this happen to the gun thats in my shoulder holster. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

:COD nerds. Sooner or later they`ll grow out of it(like i did with Counter Strike) [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]

Or not.

Who gives a damn if they do, what are you gonna do, buy a brand new gun, buy the most obscure handgun you can think of? Every profession, field of study, or interest gets its day in the limelight(save for the really boring ones), and videogames are doing this for guns. Do you think that symbologists enjoyed when the Da'Vinci code came out? They were probably just as annoyed as you for all the dilettantes who thought they suddenly knew something about symbology. What the hell are you gonna do? Nothing, I say. --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:I plan on owning guns when I grow up, have already handled and shot many guns, and yet I still plan to play CoD as an adult. You know why? Because I enjoy online gaming, and because oddly IRL you can't shoot people and get away with it (outside of airsoft, which I also play) [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Jigsaw, it appears as though you misread my post, I don't want them to include it because I hate the negative and dumbass attention guns online already attract. I feel as though my sport is tainted because of all these idiots. I'm fine with other games including it that aren't as mainstream but CoD is idiot infested. The 1887 Winchester is a perfect example, I learned about it from terminator 2 and thought it was cool and all and comments on those videos were either people that found out about it the same way and shooters. Now they are filled with nerds talking about it in MW2. Its seriously annoying. Seeing how you people come from video games and not shooting you won't be able to understand. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Well you never addressed the negative attention bit in your original post, but still, how are you going to stop them? Sure it's annoying but it's nothing to stew over. And I like how you assume that we're 'from' gaming and not a shooting history so we obiously can't know how you feel. Also, your page says you're seventeen, I didn't realize that minors could get CCWs, or was that shoulder holster talk figurative, or do you live on a ranch or something?

It was in my own home and it was for real. Don't need a CCW to carry anyway. I never said I'm gonna stop them or make a petition or anything, I was just expressing my point. Yes I did address the negative attention. Alot of you on here in the video game section have more experiance with video games than actual firearms. I know someone that has made it so you he has to approve comments because of the videos of his Beretta M93r.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:I'm also extremely proud that even at 16, I came from liking and learning about guns from sources outside of video games. Hell, even if I first see a gun in a game, I'll research it to learn some proper information, not the awesome CoD-Knowledge so many kids think they have nowadays. Literally, I had a kid telling me the ACR was better then the AK-47 the other day because "It's better in MW2, which is really close to real life". I laughed at him for a minute, then went on to own him with a five minute talk on the AK-47, which he promptly retorted to by leaving the game. Cod kids 0, Me 1 [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

Eh I shoot when I can, but I mostly just read up on just about everything I can learn about a certain gun once I see it in a movie/game/real life. I wish I had more time to shoot. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

i hate it when people talk about the intervention sniper as being amazing. ok in real life its very powerful, and i first learnt about it from a film and i thought it looked ugly. i also hate the annoying 10 year olds with the duel shotguns, modern warfare 1 was a great game and tactical, MW2 was more tacticool. especially when you get kids, that shouldnt own the game but are spoilt enbough to get there parents buy it, they lecture you on guns like they have them in their living room and use them constantly. i like the ACR it looks cool, i know it as the 'magpul masdasa' but no one on COD as ever hear of the name. i would like to see pistols as secondary, they balance out the game and dont make it unfair. i would like them to make pistols louder to make them feel powerful rather than a crappy sound that seems quieter than a hole puncher--[[user:smish34|smish34]] 13:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

: Well, i always though that ACR looks terrible. First seen it in Future Weapons and only thing that i liked was fact that i can fire both 5.56 and 7.62. Intervention ? This is one of first guns that i heard about first in MW2. I imediattly googled some real life info about it :)

So did I. By the way, is it even called the Masada anymore? I thought Remington bought the rights and renamed it 'Remington ACR'. Oh well, either way I'm still gonna call it the Masada, it sounds better, and MW2 kiddies won't know what I'm talking about. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 16:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:I always thought it was a silly name for a weapon. You ARE aware of what happened to Masada, correct? Yes, it's a great example of defiance in the face of incredible odds, but the fact remains, everyone eventually killed themselves. (Or each other, but you know what I mean.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It was designed by Magpul under the Masada name and then Bushmaster started building them. Then came Freedom group that bought Remington and they decided to buy bushmaster. So now the bushmaster ACR has the remington name on it even though they have nothing to do with design or manufacturing.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:42, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. And I had no idea that happened to Masada, I'll have to look into that. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 17:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:Well, from what I've heard as a heavy rumor from many places, tomorrow could be the release of the Black Ops Public Beta. It seems logical, as it gives roughly two and a bit months of Beta before it's closed so Treyarch can finish the game off for the November release, but then again maybe not. All I can say is, fingers crossed, because tomorrow we could be going deep and going hard men![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

:: Tommorrow? Now I seriously doubt that. I don't think they can just drop a public beta on us like that without an official announcement. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

:::It's happened before, and if not released tomorrow, maybe they announce it tomorrow then release for Monday. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

well they havent confirmed nor denied the beta but some hackers found the codes a few months ago, they also found the halo reach beta codes months before it was announced. but i think they would give some indication on wether or not they are, also there was this guy selling codes on ebay a few days ago, definatly fake, and they have been pulled [[user:smish34|smish34]]

While i'm not fully aware of the differences between the ACR and the Masada, but the most notable is the location of the charging handle. The Masada has it over the ejection port while the ACR has it over the forend. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I heard on youtube I heard that it was originaly call the magpul masada, but they changed the name because they didn't want the name masada on there gun so they changed it to the name acr. Liek I said if I'm way of correct me.

==Anyone Take Notice?==

During one of the gameplay videos, did anyone take notice to the AK-47 icon (where it said "Hold X For AK-47)? It looks a bit colored instead of grey (meaning i noticed some orange in it as well) [[SeanWolf]]

Those Icons are only grey, no color. It had to be behind it giving it the appearance of orange.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Well...i was looking at this image and it LOOKS colored (the stock)[[User:SeanWolf]]:

[[Image:CODBO-AK47blip.jpg]]

: That looks coloured to me too. Hmm, that's interesting. And it's not like it's all one color, like something could be behind it giving it the illusion of colour, the reciever seems to be some kind of a metallic blue while the wooden handguard and stock seem to be orange-ish. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it is, Thats what I get for not looking at it. Thought it would have been the same as before. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Trailer ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fsM6LBi54

Straight off the bat, there's a FAMAS, Ballistic Knife, and what some people on the CoD wiki have claimed to to be an Arctic Warfare type sniper rifle. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:...and an exploding RC car. Interesting...--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
::''Holy hell...they've stopped trying. Depending on how any demo and reviews are, I might just buy it for the single player, but the multiplayer is completely out of the question. They took Modern Warfare 2 - which wasn't the best of bases to start with - and made it worse. Just like Treyarch, I suppose.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

: It looked a lot better than MW2 to me. A lot of the minor details looked the same, like the kill medals at the top of the screen, but other than that not much looked the same. And I do believe that was an Arctic Warfare, but I'll have to look a little closer before I'm sure. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 18:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

: Watched it again: Yes, that is an Arctic Warfare. And another thing to note, the FAMAS was missing it's carry handle! Again, Treyarch? Really? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 19:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

:There IS a FAMAS without the carrying handle, but it's a DMR and the carrying handle is removed solely to mount a scope on it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

::kind of like this.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 19:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
[[image:Famascoddmr.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

:The one in the game is EXACTLY like this thing. Even though it's a FAMAS again, it does look kinda cool despite the fact that this gun never existed during the Cold War...this is stupid. They got an AR-15 that shouldn't exist, an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare that shouldn't be in the game, the AUG, which might not exist in the game either, and now a FAMAS that shouldn't exist. They going to pull anything else out of their asses? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

::Unless they've gone down the "we don't care that it's not historically accurate, we're trying to make it fun" route. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Mind you, all of this is from multiplayer. It's multiplayer, there's no story, no setting. Why can't they use anything they want? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

:::: You do know this places THROUGH OUT the cold war. This is also a MULTIPLAYER trailer, so a number of weapons that appear through out the game can appear. Now, I'm not defending this game, I don't even play CoD anymore. But I'm just saying the fact's about the game. I mean...Yes, if the Accuracy International Arcticle Warfare appeared in single player in a Vietnam mission, then yes, "What the hell..." But this is a multiplayer teaser. (Just to say the Accuracy International Article Warfare started producing in 1982 which the Cold War was still up and running) Please don't rant at me, as I'm just giving the fact's about the game. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 20:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::Ok, if a gun appears in the MILTIPLAYER, then it most likely will appear in the game. I have yet to see a shooter game that has guns that appear in the multiplayer mode NOT appear in single player. I've seen the reverse, like in MW2, the SVD appears in singleplayer, but not multi. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

And to ADD to that, yes we know this game takes place THROUGHOUT the cold war, which was official between the end of WWII and 1989 ish. The FAMAS wasn't even in production until 1995. The AUG might be excused but the year the mission took place when it made an appearances is 68 and the weapon wasn't even patented until 77. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Could someone edit the Famas section?It says that it appeared in multiplayer foor

The creators said that the guns that they have are prototypes so some of them will be used when not in service.
:Well the creators are bullshitters. You're telling me the French created the FAMAS carrying handleLESS prototype almost 20 YEARS before it was put into service? And the G2 rail version even which was made in 2001? I might forgive the AUG somewhat, but there is so much bullshit I can take here. There are so many other weapons Treyarch could use, but they had to try to somehow bullshit the weapons from MW2 into this game instead of being original. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I agree that Treyarch could have picked another gun, but if you think about it all the recent call of duty game (Modern Warfare, Modern Warfare 2) not all the guns that are used in the game would be used at that time, but they are little thing like the w1200 wouldn't be used in 2011 and the wa2000 in 2016 so maybe the famas and the ar 15 are the acceptions.

MW2 is a different kind of weapon selection. It takes place in an unspecified "near future" kind of storyline or present day. All the weapons in the game exist in the current timeframe. MW2 isn't a period piece game, COD from 1 to 3 were all WWII games and Modern Wafare is well, as the title goes, "Modern Warfare." Black Ops takes place within the Cold War, a time before 1989, so any guns before than is acceptable. Sure, seeing a gun that won't be out in the open market for another 2-3 years, yeah I can accept that. A lot of prototype weapons are like that, but the FAMAS is in a game that is more than a decade before the concept inception of said weapon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

It's a bit more than a decade. The game's set in 1967/68, so a good thirty-odd years before it was conceived. The problem is, they could have inserted the real FAMAS prototype, no problem (1971, compared with 1974 for the AUG). [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I heard that treyarch isn't going past the 1980 mark.

Ok I agree with maybe Treyarch just abused the prototype thing, but they can always take the famas out, they look at the forums.
:I don't think they do [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

On the new multiplayer video did anyone see the guy roll out the way around the :36 mark? - the marksman.
:Looks like he jumped and slide away from the gunfire. I hope we get to do that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

: We can. If everything else from that old Multiplayer rumor is also true, which is a very real possibillity as a lot of it was confirmed or all but confirmed in that trailer, it will be a standard mechanic and won't need any kind of a perk or anything. Also, I've just gone ahead and decided to completly disregard this game realism. It's obviously trying to be some sort of "Modern Warfare back in time" deal, so at this point I'm just hoping it's fun. And that's all that will really matter in the end, right? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 03:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
::No, I can't accept that! Call of Duty originated as a game that takes place in a set time frame and immerses you in it with historical accuracies. Every game except for MW2 has been very accurate, especially when compared to other video games. If they wanted all these modern guns, then why make the time frame set in Vietnam/the Cold War? Why all of a sudden do they only care about making it look cool instead of providing us with realism like they always have? With the FAMAS G2 FELIN and the Accuracy International Rifle, they are officially bullshitting about the fact that these are prototypes in the Vietnam War. There can be no more arguments against that fact. But why do they have to do that to what was once such a legitimate series?
:::Look around on this page, and we go into why they chose the time period they did. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

: Money. Most consumers don't care or even know that most of these guns weren't around in the game's time period, they don't even really care about the Singleplayer, they just want cool guns in their Multiplayer. Of course I don't agree with this at all. 02:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
::That still doesn't make sense to me. Call of Duty got its very successful start making realistic games. When it came out Call of Duty 4 was one of the best selling games ever and it's one of the most legitimate modern war games I've ever seen. Based on that you would think that people like seeing an accurate game.
:::First off, a game where you can single-handed kill half the German army is not that realistic. In fact, I personally think it's a bit insulting to the real veterans who only had one life and no continues to play with. Second, MW2 wasn't realistic and it still sold a bajillion copies. Yes, it's about the money. Don't like it? Then don't spend your gaming dollar on it. Our wallets are our votes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Obviously being able to kill a million people isn't realistic. Perhaps a better word would be accurate. You can tell in the first 5 Call of Dutys they made a good effort to get their shit right. Now they don't even try. I don't understand why they stopped trying with MW2 and now why Treyarch is following suit. I wouldn't buy any of these games but there's no more realistic or accurate games coming out anymore and I can only play the old Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon games so much before I get tired of them.

I'd like to make a small correction, the FAMAS was designed from 1967-1971 and the first generation FAMAS's entered service in 1978. Dose this mean you'd see a G2 in the Vietnam war, no but a prototype without a carry handle could hypothetically have exited in the time of the game.

=== I think this is actual FAMAS Prototype ===

Isn it ? Whatever. It will be awesome if actual prototypes of guns will get in.
[[image:FAMAS_PROTOTYPE.JPG|thumb|none|400px]]

If it is than they won't put it in, doesn't look as cool you know, thats what counts.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Pepole please acquant yourself with the FAMAS's history here. Thank you. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS]

== The COD wiki ==

I just looked over at the COD wiki and it is a nightmare over there on their format and what little info they put on their pages and disregard the "gun nerds" on any contributions. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

That's because there's a policy against adding IRL info to the weapon articles. Although I've just been having an argument with someone who was convinced the FAMAS here was an F1. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Have they ever seen the F1 FAMAS, it has the carrying handle. Only the FAMAS G2 had the option of getting no carrying handle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

His initial argument was that it couldn't be a G2 because it had a small trigger guard and was using the proprietary magazine, rather than the large hand-guard and a STANAG magazine (despite the G2 being able to fit+feed both). [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Then this FAMAS don't exist either in the real world like the Ar-15. The developers are also looking at "Black Ops" history wrong. The concept of today's special forces were really different back then during the Cold War. It's not the same kind of people or style as it hasn't been refined like today Spec Ops. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm over at Cod wiki right now.

==Those are definitely explosive tips==

The attachment on this picture:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/7/77/Codblackopsunkownattachment.jpg
is definitely explosive tip for crossbow.
just watch the trailer and stop at 0:30 and look in the killfeed.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/804/callofdutyblackopsmulti.png

==A nice detail==
Look at 0:09 in the new trailer, there is clan tag written on the AR-15 charging handle.

Yeah, I noticed that. I like that little touch. But I hope it doesn't just copy his clan tag from next to his name and paste it on the charging handle, I hope I can have something written on my gun without having to have a clan tag. I don't particularly like clan tags, mostly because I hate clans. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Ballistic knife==
would the Ballistic knife be listed as a firearm or not?

Maybe it does shoot a projectile even thought it is not a firearm.

No because its not a firearm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

To be fair though, the crossbow isn't a fire arm, but it is a ballistic weapon. And isn't the Punisher's compound bow up even though THAT isn't a firearm? Just put up the ballistic knife.--[[User:True Night]]

I have a better idea: Since they aren't firearms, let's remove the crossbow from this page and the compound bow from the ''Punisher'' page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:44, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

just for that tom jane is going to kill you with a bow and arrow. good job . and the balistic knive uses high tention (missspeled) springs, so id call it a projectial if anything. not to mension that , if you look at the rock on this site , it has the little dart shot gun that nick cage uses in the begining. simmons 8492

== Snub Nose ==

I went over to cod wiki and there is a page about a snub nose attachment for the colt python
Confirm?

I swear I saw snub nose in the new Multi-player trailer. Maybe faster draw?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:14, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Went back to the video and I saw it, the guy is switching to it. http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/319/snubnose.png[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:20, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm...Snubnosed=less accuracy+shorter range= more XP per kill? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Probably the same logic that it somehow gets more damage with a shorter barrel like the double barrel shotgun in WaW. I'm leaning more towards a faster draw.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, it leads to more accuracy and less damage. Hmm [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:15, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anachronisms ==

Can we please not say that the guns are anachroistic on the actual page? Because Me, along with alot of other people, agree that we really don't care about anachrosisms so please can we just limit comment about anarchistic guns to th talk page please? Thank you. [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 20:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

:Then what's the point of a discussion page if we can't DISCUSS about shit? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, since this ISN'T the Call of Duty Wiki, where it is full of people who can't accept REAL facts, I am undoing all the erasing of pointing out that the guns are anachronistic. Cause that's how I roll [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm one of those people who don't think it'll affect the quality of the game, but I do believe it should be pointed out. I also believe we'll be able to make a better judgement call on whether or not these are truly anachronistic or just victims of an alternative timeline once the game actually comes out. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 22:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

:Drjuki, the whole point of this whole site is the guns and this page is to discuss the ones in the game. And like Excalibur said, this isn't the Call of Duty Wiki where factual real world information about said guns is against the rules. So, yes, we ''are'' going to point out anachronisms. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

:: Although I do think it should be noted on the page when a certain firearm is anachronistic, I also think it should be simply noted, not ridiculed. Not sure if there really is any on this page, actually haven't looked at it in a while, but it's been a problem on other pages, with commments such as "Aparently they did no research" and such. Our job here is to jot down the facts, not intermingle them with our own thoughts. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 03:04, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Well that's just it, we don't have the facts. We have images, and no context. Why not just wait until the game actually comes out? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
The context of the trailers and images is that the game takes place during the Cold War period and we have a gun like that AR-15 carbine. No forward assist or brass deflector and the weird magazine. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:The context of a three minute trailer, or multiple three minute trailers that tell us nothing? I'm fairly certain I've seen all the trailers, and yet I can't tell you what the overall goal of the campaign is. What are we fighting for? To prevent nuclear war? Assassinate rogue agents? Who's the villain? Is there one? It can all be a dream, or a fevered hallucination for all we know. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if the plot was paper thin. It's MP that sells the game. The only reason why there's a campaign at all is because they can't sell the game for full price if it's only MP. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
::We can ridicule anachronisms if we want, it's a discussion page where we can say what we want. And yeah they didn't do their research or worse straight up ignored the fact these guns didn't exist back then. I think more of us would agree that Treyarch failed on the firearms.
::: Seriously. Only firearms ?
I wasn't talking about the discussion page, I was talking about the main page. Say whatever you want here. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 15:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:No one was really talking in the main page. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

::Well good, let's keep it that way. It's been a problem on other pages, with ''much'' less incorrect details than this game, so I was just trying to keep it clean here. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 15:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 12:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Im sorry but if you are going to put a gun that wasn't even in development until 2001 in a game set pre 1989 then you may asweel put an ipod in too. It's just silly, those guns were made with materials and machinery that didn't even exsist. I'm personally hoping that there is a surprise mission that takes place in a more modern setting.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 12:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watch the ending of the Campaign reveal that.... ==

The SOG soldiers are back in time to prevent a nuclear war, and they brought all their guns and equipment from the future with them. That would just make my day, would be so awful it's hilarious. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 16:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:Honestly, I'll cry if that happens. In the metaphorical sense, of course. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 22:46, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Dragunov? ==

In the new Prestige Trailer [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4HreDGcQus]], people have speculated that the rifle the sniper is carrying at the end is a Dragonuv. Anyone concur?

watch ust before he blows up, the stock and the positioning are from the draganuv --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a dragonuv. Also I noticed the Dragonuv style scope in the very begining. Do we finally get different redicles for the different rifles?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the action diver had one, too

== R/C car ==

For Modern warfare 2 it was the nvgs and now we have a R/C car with a camera and a microphone. what are your thoughts on this?

Dumb crap makes my wallet giggle... --[[Special:Contributions/99.65.211.227|99.65.211.227]] 09:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Retarded gimmick is retarded.

== Some prototypes photos ==

So... When Treyarch decides to put prototype guns, why not choose actual prototypes ?

For exmaple '''prototype Famas'''.[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#I_think_this_is_actual_FAMAS_Prototype]

Post more prototype photos. I wish to see ''AUG, SPAS'' or ''AWM'' prototype.

And i have one question - May be Stg. RH-70 some kind of AUG Prototype ?
[[image:2757881.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

I just looked it up, its not a AUG Prototype, its a gun that was meant to be a 5.56 x 45 rifle to replace the G3 as the service arm but its not a AUG prototype.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The way things are nowadays if it doesn't look cool its not gonna be in the game. Wouldn't surprise me if the G11 is covered by rails.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Probably. It also bothers me that in WaW and CoD4 they actually tested and recorded most of the weapons. We all know there is no way they got their hands on a G11 to test it or record sounds from it.

Probably gonna take sounds from another gun. IMO though that gun is UGLY! --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Who would know what a G11 sounds like? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 19:22, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

There is a youtube video which i'll post here for you guys of it, probably already infested with CoD nerds posting dumbass things and arguing about MW2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6JWCEmCgD8--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Huh, so that's what caseless ammo looks like. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The SPAS 12 prototype: (note the shorter barrel and different folding stock): [http://spas12.com/spas/franchimod12a.jpg]
The AUG prototype (with many differences from the final product): [http://world.guns.ru/assault/aug_pr1.gif]----[[User:Markit|Markit]] 03:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks just like the shorter model, combat model I think. I forgot.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Never mind that gun is pretty much the AUG prototype. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

If the AUG in the game looks like the prototype, I can ignore it, but it looks like the modern variant [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==RPG-7==
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100812011017/callofduty/images/9/93/RPG7BO.png

Can someone put that pic on the page in "RPG-7" section? I got this image from here: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/RPG-7

==Time period and Guns==

There is a lot of stuff on this page so I don't know if this has been said or not, but this game takes place in different time periods so that's probably why there is such an array of anachronistic weapons. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Finally someone said it. The developers said the game takes place in the '''COLD WAR''' not just Vietnam. Everyone keeps complaining about this gun and that gun being anachronistic to 1968 but it looks like a decent amount of this game will take place after that time. I've heard talk as late as the 80's so wouldn't that then make the AUG, SPAS, and FAMAS technically time period correct? --[[User:Subiefan98|Subiefan98]] 17:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:That point has been made before, and it becomes moot when a SPAS-12 (developed in the mid 1970s) turns up in the middle of the Tet Offensive in 1968, or likewise when an unchanged AUG A1 rifle appears in the late 1960s when it wasn't even patented until 1974. The "but black ops are so awesome they get secret prototype weapons!" argument would have made more sense if the weapons in question actually existed in the years that specific levels take place in. What the developers are doing is tantamount to giving you an AK-47 in 1943 and telling you that its presence is historically accurate because it was designed in the same era. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 19:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

: Even if the game would take place in 1989 ( ''And i guess it wont'' ) FAMAS FELIN will be still anachronistic.

== The Best Thing About Black Ops..... ==

.. '''None of that goddamned overpowered burst-fire weapons!!!!!!'''
Now, before you all fly off the handle at me. I just want to say a few things. 1- I am not a member of this site, but I visit it every time I want to identfy a gun used in a movie. 2- I do have real-life gun knowledge, unlike the fools who play Call of Duty and suddenly assume they're gun experts.
I do realize that many people find 3-round bursts useful in real-life. I see it as unecessary and useless. I'm also going to add that I am a Call of Duty player and I know for a fact that they intentionally make the burst-fire weapons overpowered, which is why I am so glad that it won't be featured in Black Ops.
:While I can agree with you that the kids who think that playing CoD automatically qualifies them as firearm experts are annoying (I've actually had a kid try to tell me that the AUG, the normal one, is a machine gun and not an assault rifle), and while I can also agree that I don't prefer burst fire weapons to automatic ones in real life, I have to disagree on your main point. The three shot burst weapons in Modern Warfare 2 are not overpowered. How many shots, without stopping power, does it take to kill with the M16A4 or the Famas? One burst, or three bullets, though on extremely rare occasions, it takes four bullets. How many shots does it take, again without stopping power, to kill with a SCAR-H, or a TAR-21? Again, three. So no, the burst weapons aren't over powered. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 20:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

: That doesn't neccessarily mean it's balanced. It also has a ''much'' higher rate of fire, even ''less'' recoil, if that's even possible, and a farther range, if I remember correctly. Now the M16A4 in MW2 was pretty balanced, but really only because it had a bit of spread with it's shots. The FAMAS, however, was the most unbalanced piece of work in gaming history. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 00:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::Which is really strange to me, since I was much better with the M16 then I was with the FAMAS. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually they may have the M16 be some sort of burst fire prototype, after all they got the cool stuff before it exsisted and produced so they just might.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Well in Metal Gear Solid 3, they got away with having an XM16E1 with a 4 selector capability [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

first , i had a kid tell me that the moddel 1887 is a rifel , based only on the fact that it has a lever and not a pump. i own no guns and also only pop on this site to win bets with my brother but i know that. but dose any one know if the m16 or famas have selector switches that can be changed?

Yes they do. The FAMAS can shoot on semi auto, and the M16a4 also has semi auto.[[user:Greywolverene|Greywolverene]]

== New pics ==

IGN has some new BO pics:

[http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14349501/call-of-duty-black-ops/images/call-of-duty-black-ops-20100818054555152.html?page=mediaFull]

Theeeere's that forward grip on the AUG.

[http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14349501/call-of-duty-black-ops/images/call-of-duty-black-ops-20100818054602839.html?page=mediaFull]

Okay, the AK mag IS a little off. And the holster looks like the holster for a Walther P38/P1. Any ideas on that shotgun (?) on his back? Or is it an M79?
:AK has a proper 545 plastic clip with little ribs on the side. But I would more like to see AKS74 in game...
::Magazine is the proper term.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Shotgun is probably china lake laucher.
: Yes, it is. '''Russians with China Lake GL'''? Yeah, thats even more stupid, anachronistic and epic failing than Russians with SPAS.
::dude...thats the KS-23 shotgun. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
::What makes you think he's Russian? And even if he is, it could be multiplayer for all we know. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::: He has SP´s russian model. And i think its SP mission - Because all other "new" screens are from SP :)
[http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14349501/call-of-duty-black-ops/images/call-of-duty-black-ops-20100818054551731.html?page=mediaFull]
::::What about the Russians running around with FALs in MW2? or TAR 21s?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::: Yeah. It was really stupid too...
Inception had the MW2 dream, so you know people are going to call this the "Inception level."

[http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14349501/call-of-duty-treyarch-project/images/call-of-duty-black-ops-20100818054558715.html]

A) This doesn't really look like a new picture, and B) it looks like he's using 20 round mags, but with 30 round ammo pouches. (Epic fail. WTF?! I'm going to cancel my preorder this instant!)

--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== I think they did it again... ==
With the fictional flattop ARs, I mean. A screenshot of Frank Woods on the Call of Duty Wiki looks like the M16 he's holding has a flattop just like the AR Carbine. Take a look for yourself [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100730204211/callofduty/images/6/6b/M16A1.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

It does look like the carry handle is missing. Wouldn't surprise me if this M16 is also burst fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
: You are wrong. It will have burst fire ( well, you are right in that ) but it will have RIS Rails all over the place. NV Scope and lasers.... sure.

I can believe it if it has the early night optics that are as large as a professional camera. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

:Eww.. Its Treyarch. Those optics will be even smaller than they are in our days.
::Oh right, they'd just take something that DID exist and turn it into something stupid for its time and say black ops can do it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

==Galil and KS-23 confirmed at Gamescom 2010==
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Galil & http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/KS-23 [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
: + Makarov. But get some proper screenshots first. Those from cod wiki are terrible quality.
::Couldn`t find anything better. Well see more in the upcoming days. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
:::I'm impressed. I don't think I've ever seen either in a game before. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::::KS-23 maybe, but the Galil was Counter Strike. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKtnJkjxhog Crap quality! I know, but that was the only way he could smuggle the footage. Makarov pistol around 9:50, KS-23 near end. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]

:Makarov! :D, Then again we are gonna get a crapload of new Makarov "experts"--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::I counter them with my Hi-Power! [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
:::No! Then there will be Hi Power "experts"! Not my favorite handgun!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if they classify KS-23 as shotgun or rifle/ carbine.
:Given the capacity (four rounds) and the fact a lot of the available rounds appear to be grenades, maybe a grenade launcher, a Russian equivalent to the China Lake launcher. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::The guys at Treyarch must have heard your rants about "Spetsnaz didn`t use the SPAS" and the put the KS in. [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]
:KS is yet another anachronism.
:: I think at this point that's a given. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 16:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:OMG GUYS STOP IT! If you point out any more of them we`ll be walking into a soviet base with nothing more then knives and pointy sticks, forced to do roundhouse kicks every 10 seconds to conserve ammo! Treyarch means serious biznis! [[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]]

"Black Ops is said to be set in various locations, including Vietnam and Cuba, [3] and judging from weaponry and dates given in the trailer, it is set between 1960 and 2010."
I must paste it once again...[(BTW in CoD4 we had that Pripyat mission in 1995, so I guess Treyarch made another "American/English commandos in Russia after Cold War" mission)(Sorry for my crappy English)]
: It seems like you are trying to protect Treyarch´s weapons choice, right ? But dont forget that both already seen missions took place in 1968. And they had SPAS-12 and AUG......

I find it hard to believe when they say that this game will take place during the Cold War and now you say there will be a mission taking place in present day? How did you come across that information? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Info is from CoD wikia, but yeah, I forgot that in leaked video those guys had "CCCP" written on their backs, so the mission takes place before 1990s. Sorry for mistake.
: And what is even better. It has been confirmed that WMD mission takes place in 1968.

== AI Arctic Warfare ==

Man, That sucks! IW now decides to put in the awesome AI Arctic Warfare and now it doesn't even fit because it's very anachronistic in this game (as is the Walther WA 2000 and other weapons). Why was it not in the MW series? It would of fit perfectly in the first MW, it would of made more sense in the mission All Ghilled Up than the M14s because )1 it's British )2 it was available at that time (1995 right?). And it would have been far better than stupid Remington 700 in MP, I mean come on, the Remington 700 IS the M40A3! They just decided to make the scope wobble more and gave it the same damage as the .50 cal Barrett M82A1 WTH! MW2's main menu art even has a sniper with AI AW (and also a soldier with a SCAR-L) but it's not even in the game. Well, at least they put the CheyTac M200 Intervention in the game.

You seem to have overlooked the fact that this isn't an Infinity Ward game, it's being developed by Treyarch, who have no affiliation with IW. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 20:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well, they do share the same parent company, Activision. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:Even so, I doubt Treyarch would have any say in what weapon IW would put into their game, or vice versa. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 20:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
::OK, Then I meant Treyarch/IW. By the way, did Treyarch make both MW games? I'm just making sure.
:::Treyarch had nothing to do with Modern Warfare, IW made both. Treyarch did COD5. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 10:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Alright thanks for clearing that up. I'm just saying it would have made more sense if IW had the AW in the MW games. As I said, it would have fit well both sense wise and realism wise.
::: "The Accuracy International Arctic Warfare rifle is a family of bolt-action sniper rifles designed and manufactured by the British company Accuracy International. It has proved popular as a civilian, police and military rifle since its introduction in the '''1980s'''." If you want the real date, it's actually 1982 when the L96A1 came into British Military service. Oh, and the Walther WA 2000 was desgined in the 1970s - 1980s and first produced in the same year as the L96A1 came into service, 1982. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 08:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Thank you. Didn't the mission All Ghilled Up take place in 1995? That's why I think the AW/L96 would have fit better in MW because your playing as British snipers, Price and the other guy (sorry, can't remember his name). As for the WA2000, what the hell is it doing in MW2?! it's not a Military rifle! (guess it's in there cus they thought in looked cool *sigh*). And in BlackOps, both the AW and WA2000 are highly anachronistic.

:Seriously, why can't Treyarch pick weapons that have NOT been in the previous game? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::I think they're trying to compromise, including familiar favorites like the SPAS and the FAMAS and putting in more obscure (at least by gaming standards) weapons like the Galil and the KS-23. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 14:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Who the hell is using the Israelite Galil in the this game?! I hope not the Russians.
::::They just needed to have a jew gun in the game instead of TAR.
:::::Oh course, it's that vast international Jewish video game weapon conspiracy. How could we forget? (Jew gun? What are you, a hillbilly?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Don't forget that most of those "Jew guns" could rip you apart, or are you forgetting the Uzi family, Desert Eagle, Jericho, and Tavors? Not to mention what they can do in the hands of Mossad. Don't make the mistake of underestimating Israel, it'll likely be the last mistake you ever make.:D -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 00:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I don't see nothing good about those "kosher" weapons. All of them are inferior compared to western (and even russian) designs.
:::::::Great the WA2000 again, That thing is ugly, rare, and definatly not a combat rifle. IW was playing too many hitman games when they thought of that. Treyarch copying it is just really stupid.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::You gotta admit, Israels got some great weapons; this coming from a guy who loves German and Russian weapons, and also good ol' Browning's designs. :D Oh, and the big reason the WA2000 is not used in the Military is the same reason the awesome HK PSG1 is not used: it's too heavy and delicate for Military use.
:::::::::The WA2000 is a expensive and rare gun. I believe that 200 something of them were made. There are many better guns in all aspects than the WA2000. Its not just that its too delicate, its expensive, bulky, and rare. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Name a few?
Somebody needs to stop learning everything they know from movies and games. Open your eyes, or maybe you should just go back to your Klan rally. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 20:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:My facts about guns are only based on REAL LIFE information, never games or movies. (by the guy who started the AW discussion)

::Should make an account and sign your posts, easier that way.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

You should also get me some "real life" statistics that PROVE beyond a doubt that Israeli designs are "inferior." -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 14:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:Are you a hater like that guy who hates the Beretta 92? Oh and thanks FIVETWOSEVEN, I will consider making a account. :)
::Not at all, I happen to love the Beretta 92, I think it's one of the best handguns ever made. I just don't like when people make biased statements like that without giving a reason to back it up. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 00:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I was talking about a guy on the Beretta 92 discussion page that hates the 92 for no real reason. and what IS wrong with the Uzi, Jericho, and the Tavor? What "facts" do you have that make these weapons "inferior"? Do you hate Israel or something? (note, I am not trying to rude, a jerk, or a wise-ass) The Uzi is more or less the SMG equivalent of the AK, it is simple, reliable, and cheap like the AK, the Jericho is, from what I heard, is a very good all-steel handgun, and the Tavor is a great step forward for Israel's assault weapon technologies. If I'm wrong, please tell me and prove it with real facts.
::::Correct me if I'm wrong, but you may have misread something, cuz it seems like that post was directed at me. I agree 100% with every point you just made there. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 18:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::I honestly think you two have gotten confused and started arguing with each other when you both support the same position. This is why it would be much easier if everyone had an account. As to my opinion on the topic, I love Israeli made weapons. You're right about the Uzi family. It's extremely rugged, though not terribly accurate (But you can always do worse). As to the Tavor and the Jericho? I've only fired the Jericho once, but it handled great, though I still prefer the 92FS to it. And the Tavor, I love the Tavor. Honestly, if I was going into combat and I was given the choice, I'd take the TAR-21 over an M4A1 any day. I mean, the M4A1 is a great gun, but I just have a thing for bullpups. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm really sorry about that, my mistake, I thought you were the same guy who said "I don't see nothing good about those "kosher" weapons. All of them are inferior compared to western (and even russian) designs."

Nah, I think he ran away under our combined onslaught. xD Anywho, if it isn't signed as K, it isn't me. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 14:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Just pitching in here but isnt the Galil what the israelis made as an improved AK-47 ? I think i heard that on the millitary channel or something (btw the price for the WA2000 these days is minimum 40 000 $ THE 2ND VERSION IS MIN 75 000 $ there was only 176 built (thank you wikipedia)--[[User:Patrickgt|℗Λ✝r][©Κ]] 04:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== SKS ==
:Hopefully there will be an SKS in game because with the part of the game taking place in Vietnam, it would make sense to see it in the hands of the Viet Cong.--[[User:Mpe2010|Mpe2010]] 21:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
::'''It would make sense.''' This is only and biggest reason why they wont put it in.
::As much as I agree with you, I wouldn't get my hopes up. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Even if they include it, would anyone use it? It doesn't do anything better than any other weapon you can get in the game. As much as I like the SKS in real life, I wouldn't use one if I had an AK or an AR-15 available. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 22:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh you silly people, even if they included an SKS they'd bastardize it with enough railmounts to drive a train on, and then make it have an attachable grenade launcher/katana/lasersight/ammo dispenser. :) -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 00:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Well. It would be RAIL with SKS attached.
: I never really had my hopes up.--[[User:Mpe2010|Mpe2010]] 22:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::If they have the correct grenade launcher on it, probably will work just like it did in WaW. Firing a round through the grenade.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, only the yugoslavian version of the SKS had the grenade launcher. Not the Russian or Chinese version that would appear in game if it is put in.--[[User:Mpe2010|Mpe2010]] 01:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh I was wrong then, never have payed too much attention to the SKS, also doesn't help that the most common seems to be a Yugo.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
: Its Romanian WASR there. So why not yugoslavian SKS ? Oh, and i think they will put it there with M203 or GP-25 on it.
::Tats not WASR but just a retarded AK-74
::: Well, i think they just googled "AK" and modelled first gun they have seen.
::::Or some crappy airsoft gun. I can't wait till a game is made where EVERY ASPECT of firearms is 100% CORRECT and not tacticool.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Blame the internet then, not the 3d artists or the company. It's hard enough to find a high enough resolution orthographic picture of the gun you want to model. Sometimes you have to make do with a similar model. 3d artists just can't model a gun out of thin air, you need references to use as a backdrop during modeling, and let's face it, the artist is going to use the high res sideview of an AK-74 over a low res slightly off sideview of a genuine AK-47. As for airsoft, take note that airsoft companies often provide a perfectly aligned sideview of their guns, which works great for modeling. I'd take a 1000x700 picture of an airsoft M4 over a 400x300 picture of the genuine gun. And if you were a 3d modeler, you would too.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 02:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::omgz they could check this site. Or... photograph a real deal when they were recording gun sounds. And if they for some f-ing reason left off muzzle break from AK74 that would be a fail
:::Or maybe get a real gun, don't even have to guy one, just rent or borrow one from someone that owns one. That isn't so hard is it? They did that with Lord of War with about 3,000 CZ rifles.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Lord of War was a feature film, starring Nicholas Cage. I'm sure they had a lot more money than the average game does. Why pay extra money on something that isn't integral to the quality or enjoyment of a game? Besides, airsoft guns are relatively cheap, and a number of companies sell full metal near exact(and exact in some cases) copies of the real weapons. But ultimately, if you can't look beyond an Mp5's lack of a paddle release, you are playing games for all the wrong reasons. And really, no muzzle brake is fail? Seriously, learn to live with it. Also, most of the pictures on this site are too small for modeling accurately off of. Some are large enough, but most aren't. And not all games record real guns in person for their sounds, and some that do simply use similar models or completely different guns.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 21:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::You do realize that this game is gonna rake in millions. They can't rent or buy a $400 AK 47?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::This is not exclusive to this game. You said you wanted to see ''any'' game that got everything right. Also, Treyarch is based in Santa Monica, ''California''. If you knew anything about Californian gun laws, you would realize how difficult it would be for them to get their hands on a genuine Ak47. Besides, the 3d artists don't really get to decide how all the company's money is spent. And I doubt a higher up would care enough(for somewhat good reason) to waste a thousand bucks on a post-ban Kalashnikov that is not the correct model anyway.

:::::::Once again, they could either rent or borrow one. Doesn't even have to be an actual Russian AK 47. It would be fine if it was a Yugo, Bulgarian or whatever, they are similar enough to not be a problem. The point is going alittle further and not basing the model off a crappy airsoft gun or the wrong picture.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

:The always present problem with game designers is that they forget the extreme details on a gun and when they do CGI modeling, they always make mistakes and forget somethings. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
::I think you missed a word.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
== AS VAL ==
: I think it would be cool if they put the AS VAL in as a weapon of the Soviet Forces
::No.

== AKS-74U? ==

Where in Sam Hill did you guys get that from? I never saw anyone holding one in the Teaser. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

It's on that wall of guns in the insight video, and theres apparently a pic at Call of Duty Wiki with someone holding it from the teaser. If you ask me, its still not 100% confirming it --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 02:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

This is the image they're saying is an AKS-74U [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:AK-74uBO.png]. Not very convincing, if you ask me, but I wouldn't put it past Treyarch as they've already failed epically by the looks of things so far. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Definatly is a short AK something.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, it looks like a short AK, but we can't be sure exactly what it is. Hell, it could be a full length AK at a weird camera angle. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

There are so many AK variants out there they can pull out of their asses, why another AK-74U? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Because I doubt they know any others and they don't want to confuse players.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== New details released ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg_8mPoloBo

This confirms a whole bunch of stuff, too much for me to list. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 02:10 2 September 2010 (UTC)

: Almighty, there's a mini-gun....a ''handheld'' minigun...
::Wow! I'm so pumped for spaying batches of n000bs with that thing WOW

:: Who cares?! An Ithica! And an L96! I'm in love. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 02:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I just watched the video...HOLY CRAP...A MINIGUN?!...Im in heaven! [[User:SeanWolf]]
:: [[Predator#GE_M134_Minigun_Handheld|"Payback Time!"]] [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 03:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::New weapons we see are the WA2000, Makarov, Ithica, RPK (first in first person), MP5K (first person), Skorpion, HK21 (Awesome!), M14 (wood!), M134 (nicknamed Death Machine), M16 (first person, burst), AKS-74u, and also that new blue-tinted scope, maybe a new version of thermal? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

You can THROW A TOMAHAWK?! That's awesome! Now if only you can melee with it... --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Over and Under shotgun, HK21 plus even moar footage ==
As seen in this video: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/team-deathmatch-call-of/703936

There's also more new MP footage up on Game Trailers and floating around YouTube. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 06:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:If you didn't notice, the handgun at the beginning was an ASP. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:This killicon, taken from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRG_z3ib-o looks like a full sized Uzi: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1143/uzi.png -The Unsigned

== Create A Class Video ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAM5AZxmT_M

WAY too much to write, just take a look, and at his other BO vids while youre there. Also, awesome pistol selection :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:While looking at the Create-a-class 2.0 vid shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCzSImy-xm4, I found it rather odd for the choice that Treyarch was going with on the weapon selection for the pistols at the 0:23 mark. Wouldn't it make more sense to place the Makarov PM as the starting pistol because of it's weak 9x18mm cartridge? I'd personally would have liked to see it like this:

*Makarov PM
*ASP
*1911
*Colt Python
*CZ75

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Full Weapon List ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jatp6Fgs-ak
The video's not too interesting, most of this is stuff from other videos, the cool part is in the description. Note that he wrote MAC-11 instead of CZ-75.

SMG: MP5K, Skorpion, MAC-11, AKS-74u, Uzi, PM63, MPL, Spectre

Assault: Enfield, M14, FAMAS, Galil, AUG, FAL, AK-47, Commando, M16, CLASSIFIED (There's actually no M1 Garand)

Shotguns: Olympia, Ithica 37, SPAS-12

LMG: HK21, RPK, M60

Sniper Rifles: Dragunov, WA2000, L96A1

Pistols: ASP, M1911, Makarov, Python, CZ-75

Launchers: M72, RPG-7, Strela, China Lake

M202 & M134 are apparently Kill Streaks and personally I think the Classified AR is the G11

:ASP seems like an odd choice to put in a CoD game. Relative to the game, it seems like they went out of their way to put in a pistol that isn't that much different in function to a Makarov. (A small pistol with a small magazine.) Why not just a Walther P1? Or a SW M39? Looking down the sights of the guttersnipe will be interesting though. And I again applaud Treyarch for bringing in guns that have been otherwise neglected in gaming. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if these are all the weapons or if there are less in this public version, though since it is a full reveal and they make sense how they are, it's reasonable to assume these are all of them. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: The KS-23 isn't on the list for some reason, meaning this build may not have all the weapons, or the person who made the list simply missed it as it is the only known weapon not there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:Someone found a screencap of the ingame M60. http://a.imageshack.us/img834/7093/m60j.jpg

::I don't think the M202 or the M134 are Killstreaks as if you look at the "Create a class" video above around the 0:36 mark it lists all the Killstreaks. As far I've seen in the trailers, the M134 is rather ironically called "Death Machine", so it might just be a high level machine gun class weapon that the user has to buy. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 13:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

: I think the M202 and M134 might only be in the "Wager" game modes, were everyone has a chance to earn one.

== Seriously.... ==

This is going to be worst CoD game. Minigun ? Flamethrower attachment ? Jesus . Even most stupid game from most stupid studio with most stupid gameplay will be better than this shit.

: If you say so.

Whatever you say, man, and what's wrong with a flamethrower attachment? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Its completely idiotic.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:I think it sounds fucking AWESOME. No, it won't be realistic. But it's rule of cool, brohan.-protoAuthor 11:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, once you get over the fact that this game is inaccurate as hell, it starts to look pretty badass [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 11:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Peh, I'm past the point of even expecting this to be a realistic game. I'll enjoy it for what it is, but there's no way in hell that we're getting realism out of this. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

. reality and videogames are like an amish hacker , never gonna happen . this is going to be FUCKIN EPIC . simmons 8492

== Iron sights ==

Whats with all the guns having that same back sight, i was ok with the CAR 15 and even the FAMAS having it, then i thought that it was pushing it with the AUG. Then i saw that the M60 has those sights too??!!! I hear you can customuzie your sights and i hope to god you can, cause i would be pissed if all the guns had extremely similiar iron sights --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 11:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

'''IS WONT BE CUSTOMIZATED !''' Its just cool to have them, you dont understand ? 7-year kids / 99% of BO players ) wont even recognize M16 and M4. SO WHATS THE PROBLEM ? Epect nuclear grenade flamethrower tactical launcher screen in nearliest days.

: ...a little excited there, bro?

From what I've heard, there will be an 'improved iron sights' attachment. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

it looks like famas had a field day and fucked everything up . the pig dosent deserve that . and for all the idiots out there reading this and thinking"whats the pig, can you use farm animals as weapona" the pig is the name for the m60 , that gun hold a special place in my heart . simmons 8492

It really looks like they just took a lot of stuff from mw2 (like those god damned iron sights) and whats the deal putting Troy industries sight on an AUG? How stupid does that even look, couldnt hit shit in real life cuz there is no spacing between the front and rear post! Come on Treyarch i tough u could do better --[[User:Patrickgt|℗Λ✝r][©Κ]] 02:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Enfield ==

Has anyone else noticed then in the create a class trailer when he goes in to primary weapons it says enfield ? anyone wanna put that up ?

:I would but it's too little info to draw a conclusion on what EXACTLY "Enfield" is. It could be the SA80 but at the same time it could be something else, it's best to hold off for now until more info shows. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 15:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, it is most probably a SA80 but it can also be the L1A1.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 15:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

::When I saw Enfield, I had assumed it would be the EM-2. When was the last time anyone referred to either SA-80 or L1A1 as an "Enfield?" I google in "enfield prototype," and a picture of the EM-2 is the first thing that comes up. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Ya id say its going to be the EM-2 because on the killfeed for a teamdeathmatch i saw there was a weapon that looked like it

If not the EM-2, it could be one of the Enfield SA80 prototypes (E60-, XL70-...etc) - Enfield did start the SA80 program in the late 60's so it could be possible for them to show up. It might also explain why Treyarch had that airsoft L85 on their wall.

It's an XL64, at least according to the create-a-class picture. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I think - not sure though - in the multiplayer overview video, at 6.41 to 6.49, it is possible to view the Enfield with iron sights in first person - it has the SA80 type rail, a green-ish cheek rest on the left of the reciever and a green-foreguard. I could be mistaken though. If someone could get the screen shots up for closer inspection, it might be easier to tell. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

You mean like [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:L85_7.png this?] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Bingo! You can see the real SA80/British 'dovetail' 19mm optics mounting rail (under those weird iron sights...)Cheers [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

It's the XL64 for sure, saw it in the video a couple sections down ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Which is the same video I pulled the create-a-class image from in the first place. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... not my best moment there, lol. ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Burst M16? ==

When I saw the recent multiplayer trailer, I coulda sworn that the M16 was firing in 3 round bursts. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:It was, and while idont mind it being Burstfire, i do mind that they call it the M16 Raffica.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 17:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I do cause there's no such thing as a burst firing M16A1. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:In the Black Ops world there is. GET WITH THE TIMES EXCALIBER!!!!1--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

And why should they call it the "Raffica"? (I know it's Italian for burst, but whatever.) [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

On the extended trailer thing on the xbox dashboard there is a Burst M16 and its called M16 raffica

A burst M16A1 is stupid. Havent these guys seen a Vietnam era movie? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree it's stupid, but I suppose it will help make up for all of those full-auto A4s that are in every single movie. ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

First off, FIVETWOSEVEN, what does "get with the times" have to do with anything? That made no sense. In the Black Ops world, they operate outside of ordinary methods of operations and tactics. They go into extreme conditions and use the best equipments they can get their hands on but as I said before, they don't acquire guns that havent been invented yet and the military mentality of soldiers back then are different than they are now. A soldier during the Cold War would see any new technology pointless instead of an advantage because of the training and mentality, the if it isn't broken, don't fix it. Special Forces were no exception. Sure they were outside the ordinary, but they wouldn't have just say "hey, I want a gun that can do the following thing, can I have one? If it doesn't exist, I'll just get a gun smith, invent the parts and materials and make it exist." That's not how things work in real life. Yes this is a game and I've just given up on trying to convince people otherwise. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

:*WHOOSH* That was the sound of the obivious sarcasm flying over your head.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:I think he means it's now obvious Treyarch doesn't care, so why fret over it? Short of some weird plot twist that we're currently unaware of (and again, we know absolutely nothing about the plot,) Treyarch simply doesn't seem to care about historic or technical accuracy. They're selling games to kids and stoners, not history buffs and gun dorks. After seeing all the recent videos, I'm resigned to the fact that all we're going to get is a vastly enjoyable game with a lot of replay value. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Remember, it's still full-auto in Singleplayer, as it should be. It's just 3-shot burst in MP so it doesn't make pot-head COD kids heads explode. Also, where do they call it the M16 "Raffica"? In the Create a Class videos they're listed simply as M16. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh it's only burst in multiplayer? Good. In multiplayer, anything goes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Another video ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94SolEtpnc]

You get the see the M14 stock, the Enfield, and it confirms the G11 (There's a contract called "G11 Cruelty." --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:Ah, that would explain that one single classified weapon. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 21:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Looks like they're leaving a lot of old stuff in - killstreaks, perks, sentry guns, weapons.
::As opposed to a CoD game without weapons? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== A Question about guns ==

Do you think there are any possibilities of Daewoo K1A or K2 appearing in this game?

I think its about time some major game has put in guns made in Asia.

K2 is a really accurate rifle, it could serve as the 'ACR' of this game and K1 can be like MP5K or UMP of this game
:[[Men of Valor]] had a Type 56. Does that count? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

We've already seen all the guns that are going in game. So quite slim chances there. Also, sign your posts. [[User:The Wierd It|The
Wierd It]] 08:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

: I don't think we've quite seen all of them. We've seen all of the Assault Rifles and Handguns, and only some of the LMG's, SMG's, Sniper Rifles, and Shotguns. And that video a few sections up with supposedly all of the weapons in the game in it's description, is most likely incomplete. I seriously doubt there are only 3 sniper rifles. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::Didn't people doubt only 4 sniper rifles with MW2?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

: Perhaps, but they only needed 4 to fill out the basic sniper rifles roles of COD. A bolt-action, a large caliber, a jack-of-all-trades, and a low recoil-low power. But with only 3, and moreso because of the 3 that we've seen, we should expect more, because so far we've only seen the bolt-action and two normal semi-auto sniper rifles that shouldn't be all too different from each other. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 05:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

==FAMAS correction==
That's not a G2 FELIN, it's a F1 FELIN prototype. The one in the screenshots is based off the F1 model (note the small triggerguard and straight magazine). The G2 FELIN platform is based off of the FAMAS G2 and is distinguishable by the sheer massive amount of stuff strapped to it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

All the photos of the G2 FELIN I've seen have the small trigger guard. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/FAMAS_Felin_501556_fh000002.jpg [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

==Unknown Machine gun or Assault rifle?==
[[Image:Codbp_uklmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Here is a picture seen in new multiplayer tralier.

:It's a HK21. Watch in HD, it says in the bottom right. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 15:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

==Unknown rocket launcher guide missile==
I seen in new multiplayer tralier.

The only thing I've seen that sounds like that is the 'Arch Angel' killstreak weapon, a missile guided by the player via a camera. (Similar to the Predator guided missile from Modern Warfare 2's killstreaks except that 'Arch Angel' appears to be a shoulder-fired system) [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

Thank for information guy.In cod wiki they call "Valkyrie Rockets".
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Archangel
[[User:Tanarmy|Tanarmy]]

== Flamethrower ==
I seen few second on enemy hand in new multiplayer tralier.

:It's an underbarrel attachment, too. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 15:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Grim Reaper? ==
In the wager match video, after the player gets a kill with the WA2000, you see him switch to something called the grim reaper but you never get to see what it is, any ideas?
:It's what they've dubbed the M202. It's kinda like how they called the M79 the Thumper. As I recall, the M202 is a killstreak reward. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 15:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:: Yeah aparently this game has several 'super weapons', but I'm not sure of the context of their use. But surely they won't be unlockable for custom classes, the "Death Machine" had a 400-somethin round belt.

::: The Death Machine (M136) and Grim Reaper (M202) are obtained from care packages now. Also, sign your posts. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 19:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

in the same video they show parts froma game called "gun game " the player swaps the M14 for the m136 . im gonna go all jessie ventura up in that bitch . simmons 8492

== Opinions on the game so far ? ==

I know everyone is going to have a different opinion but i personally think this game is gonna be the worst one yet. The weapons,the attachments,the killstreaks look so bad and the game is just gona be filled with little 10 year olds who only quickscope and camp! The next one by sledgehammer games sound better! Anyone else agre? -- GunGunGun
::I haven't seen anything about the sledgehammer installment. Is there anything out there? I just know that officially, what's left of IW is still working on MW3. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
: Call Of Duty is dead since MW2. Last good one was CoD5 ( ''But it wasnt nothing more than good'' ). So i dont expect things get better after Black Ops. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 09:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
: Considering that there's been no news at all on the Sledgehammer Games one yet, I have no idea how you could know that it will be better. Sounds like you, like some others here, are just angry that the guns and add-ons in the game make no sense for the era rather than whether or not it's fun to play. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 18:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::The guns don't make sense at all, not just because of the era. I mean flamethrower attachments, handheld miniguns, the same rear sight on many guns, 20-round mags holding 30 rounds, semi-auto shotguns impossibly cycling with dragonsbreath ammo. Before MW2 the Call of Duty series was known for its accuracy and attention to how the guns really work, as well as the weapons for the time periods the games take place in. And GunGunGun has a point, it's just going to be the same chaotic multiplayer as MW2, a bunch of stoners and kids making themselves feel better by corner camping, tubing, and quickscoping. Treyarch only seems to have done things to promote those playing techniques, not discourage them like they should. -Mandaloin
::: Cry some more then? It's pretty obvious that you don't like the gameplay style. There are many, MANY gamers out there that would disagree with your tastes, and those are the ones that Treyarch is aiming to please (along with those on the fence over some of MW2s perks/killstreaks which were changed for the better). So what if it's not all realistic, the key point in a video game is if it's any fun to play or not. Last I checked, I couldn't actually survive crashing a Ferrari at 100MPh at Laguna Seca either, but it is sure as hell fun to play a game that allows me to get back up and try again without it being "game over" for me. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 06:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Meh, quit complaining, it's a video game. If you want realism go play ARMA or Operation Flashpoint. It does look better than MW2, that I will say. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I just love how people can criticize a game, when yet, they haven't even played it. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 21:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:I just love how people keep saying that. We don't have to play it to criticize what we've already seen of it. -Mandaloin
:: Yeah, you kinda do. If you have not actually sat down and played this game, you're only assuming it's gonna be bad by just looking at it. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 06:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Medal of Honor pwns Call of Duty in every way. ''That's'' my opinion of Black Ops. Anyone who doesn't like it can go cry a river. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== PM-63? ==

Where did we see that? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 13:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:[http://blackops.digitalwarfare247.com/weapons/sub-machine-guns/pm63].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown SMG ==

[[Image:MPLdual.png|thumb|none|450px|]]

: They look like MPL's to me, and those are said to be in this game so I'm betting that's what they are. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 23:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::Those don't look anything like MPLs. It's probably something we haven't seen yet. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, I found this picture under Walther MPL on COD: Wiki, but I thought they looked nothing like MPLs, so I decided to put it as unknown and see if someone else knew what these were. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]]
:They kind of look like Arsenal Shipkas. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

The weapons in this game may be achronistic as hell, but at least they made them interesting, most of the weapons on the page right now are things you don't see much of in games or even movies, especially nowadays, there's even this, a gun we can't seem to identify with a clear first-person shot of both sides of the gun. I've gotten bored of knowing every gun in a game when I first get it, so, regardless of whether this game turns out to be good, which I hope it is, at least the weapon selection is nice and original, especially for a modern mainstream FPS. :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

: Well I just went through the entire world.guns SMG database and the only thing that looks remotely similar to this is the Walther MPL, so if it's not a souped-up version of that than I don't know what it is. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 15:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Nothing is in the right place. Either it's something else, or the modelers were told some other gun was an MPL and they didn't know any better. Did anyone else notice the icon on the left in the feed? Maybe it's whatever that's supposed to be. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

:: Maybe they're just modified Skorpions? [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] 15:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

i also went through the world.guns database and figured is could be a OTs-02 Kiparis http://world.guns.ru/smg/kiparis2.jpg
:Nice find, I agree. Wow, they must've dug pretty deep. I don't see how it'd be possible for this to be a modeling mistake, as I would think it's much harder to find one of these than an MPL. The above link doesn't work, here it is again. [http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg04-e.htm] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

: Well whatdaya know, the one I missed. Good find. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

They are Skorpians in 9x18mm without the stocks. Looks awesome to me.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

: We've already seen what the Skorpions look like, these look alot like that OTs-02 Kiparis --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 00:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== KS-23 ==

The KS-23 isn't 12 gauge, it's 6 gauge or something like that. I know that it's 23mm, which is not 12 gauge, so that should probably be changed. --[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia it's 6.27 gauge by American standards and 4 gauge in Euros. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Ummm how are they going to balance that? I'm assuming that a 6.27 gauge packs a hell of a lot more lead than a 12 gauge so I'd take a guess that it would probably be pretty powerful --[[User:Subiefan98|Subiefan98]] 22:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

:I presume the KS-23 is likely to have heavy recoil, small capacity (3 rounds) and a delay between shots. Also can't the KS-23 also function as a Grenade launcher as well firing firing a variety of shells such as Tear Gass, Flash Bang and White Phosphorous? I would marry Treyarch if they finally added Slugs to this baby! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 09:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Draco i think your my new friend. JK. i always wondered why they never put chokes or slugs as attachments for guns in video games.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

::They have added slugs to some games. But to name few, Bad Company 2, Fallout: New Vegas and STALKER are one's that come to mind, though I don't think even the majority of game designers (save for a small collection of the minority) that know what a Choke on a shotgun even is. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 15:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Stoner 63? ==

Hey Guys, I believe I've identified what seems to be a Stoner 63 fitted with some sort of telescopic scope, in this video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOAAWWjfG_g]
--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 08:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a AR-18 but don't we have the full assault rifle list?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

: It's not an AR-18, the recievers don't match. It looks more like the 63, although it doesn't appear to have the ventilated barrel housing. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

After actually looking at a 63, this gun looks like it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Stoner63-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stoner 63 in rifle and LMG configuration.]]
[[Image:COD7Stonerpossible.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here's a screencap from gameplay footage of the possible Stoner 63. Compared to the stock image I'd say it is.]] . - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Reflex sights==
Just wondering about the reflex sights, were they even developed back during the periods the game is set in? Another thing I was curious about is that the M4 Spectre in the list shows it having a reflex mounted on it. While it is using a side-mount, wouldn't the stock get in the way if you try to fold/unfold it since it folds to the top of the gun?--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 14:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
: '''1,''' Yeah, i am almost sure reflex sight existed during cold war. There is even patent on internet, dating it into seventies.
: '''2,''' All SMG´s have apparently stocks removed for some reason. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 15:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

==Not exactly on topic==
Alright, I am having a pretty bad day with dealing all the crap my professors are throwing at me and then my roommate says something that is kinda pissing me off so I am gonna rant a little bit. Last night(this early morning actually, around 1), he decided not to do his homework and decided to watch a show about snipers and the amazing feats they pulled off including one about Hatchcock. It was pretty interesting until he ruined it after watching a sniper take out VietCongs using kentucky windage with his scoped (now busted) m14 after his helo was shot down by saying, "So what, I don't see how that is impressive, I can do that all the time in Modern Warfare 2." Now he wants to go buy Black Ops when it comes out because he wants to "pwn some noobs" and all the feature look really realistic just like in MW2. He goes on to say that he wants to become a Ranger because he thinks it is easy enough since he is smart since he was on a debate team, ran for state assembly, etc. and strong because he can do MMA and finishes that with he can drink a lot beer. I give him credit for having the balls to join the Rangers but at the same time, it feels like he is insulting them. Sorry for writing all this but I was having a shitty day and just had to let is all out and I figured it since he was talking of COD, that I would put it here. Alright, rant over, feeling much better now. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 15:43, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh boy, is actual real military service gonna shit on his cereal, lets see just how easy pwning noobs is when your actually getting shot at, oh and apparently theres this thing called recoil in reality, suprising i know. Oh and no respawns either. On an actual related note this game is gonna suck, I do love the return of the 1911 to COD i just can forgive the erronious amounts of just horrendous anacronisms, and the flamethrower undermount is so retarded --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's a fun idea, hand a CoD fanboy an AR-15 with the bolt locked back, hand them a magazine, and tell them to fire it. See how long it takes them to realize that the weapon isn't magically ready to fire just because you slap in a fresh magazine. You get five points for every ten seconds it takes before they realize what the bolt catch is. You get bonus points if they pull the charging handle.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 06:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant! Oh and pop that elusive saftey on too, just for good measure.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 09:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd be impressed if they would give the back stock a flat slap after loading a fresh mag and charged the gun like a real badass.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 12:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Even better would be actually getting through the first phase of basic to even hold a weapon.--[[User:N-10 Aden|N-10 Aden]] 21:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd be even more surprised to find a gamer doing a proper tactical reload, instead of letting a mag drop to the ground and becoming confused as to why it doesn't magically appear back in his pouches.

first of id slap the shit out of your roommate , the second he hit basic hes gonna be crying for mommy shitting him self , and i cant wait for the m1911 to make its return .simmons 8492

==Kinda liking the weapons list==

Well, they are things you never see in other games, although the awp and famas and spas12 can go, and id love the a1 to be full auto. But, a revovler that makes sense, old school submachine guns, a pump action grenade launcher its kind of cool.

I do wish they didn't decided the nearly the same weapons from the other MW series like the AUG, SPAS-12, or the MP5K. They could have picked other pump action shotguns like the Remington 870, or another weapon aside from the MP5K. They should have stuck with the full size MP5. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Well, they do have the Ithaca 37. And at least the AUG is a rifle and not a LMG in this one. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I do know most of these guns really shouldn't exist but you can believe I will have a ton of fun with the under-barrel flamethrower with a smily face reflex sight on the G11(they better not mess up the G11).--[[User:N-10 Aden|N-10 Aden]] 21:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

At this moment, I am not bothered about weapons that don't exist at the time, but more on original choices. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:Kinda of agree with you there, sorta disappointed though that they made the M16A1 burst fire in Multiplayer. Though it's hard to say exactly when all these guns appear, while yes we were told it was starting in Vietnam but IT could possibly star in other timezones too. From what I've gathered, you play as multiple characters so it's possible you could play as multiple characters in different time periods, 1 in Vietnam, another in Cold War and maybe a few fictional war zones in the early 2000's [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 08:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

:: Well, it seems that original M16 without forward assist is in game. Anyway - As far as i know M16A1 fired in 3-round bursts, no ?
:::The A1 is full-auto. The A2 and A4 variants fire bursts. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 10:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I dont like how they use the correct 20 round mag model but make it hold 30. Hopefully the burst/30 rounds is online only, like in cod 4 where the m16 was full auto SP but burst MP.

== CZ75 ==

JUst curious, does anyone think that the CZ-75 might be the Automatic version of the weapon. Granted Treyarch wasn't going to add Machine Pistols but since it's the last handgun in the list and it costs 750 credits would it be possible? I mean Bad Company 2 had their 93R as their last unlock which was a machine pistol [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 08:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

: Well, it doesnt have to be automatic. CZ-75 is superior to all other handguns from list in real life.( maybe besides Colt Python ) - Its better than Makarov, ASP and even M1911 in all "stats" . Its probably best 9mm handgun.

::Not too sure as to how it would be better than a .45 caliber 1911. I can see it being better than the ASP or Makarov due to their small magazines of 7-8 rounds compared to the 75's 16 (9mm). Of course it does open the slight possibility that an Automatic conversion kit is available as an attachment [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 09:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
::: Its not just about calibre or mag capacity. CZ-75 is more accurate, bullet is faster and i think its lighter. Anyway - Its sure that heavier cartrigde is allways better :) But i would take CZ75 to combat instead of M1911.

:Maybe the developers just read a lot of Gunsmith Cats, and took Rally's speech to heart, but the possibility that it may be an automatic makes me sigh. I hope it isn't.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, The CZ-75 is not more accurate than a 1911
Secondly, there is no "best" 9x19 millimeter pistol, its all personal preference,
Thirdly, the .45 is a better combat round due to its lager grain bullet and more dispersion of energy on contact,
and Lastly, while caliber is not the most important factor, the .45 A.C.P is superior to the 9x19mm because the 9 is a small lightweight bullet, while the .45 is a large heavyweight bullet.
P.S. sign your posts.
~~ PunisherDave
: Well, i tested both CZ75 and 1911. I was doing better with CZ. Anyway - I would take it into combat because of for example mag size. And 9mm bullets are way much more common... --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 13:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Military 1911s almost universally sucked, with ultra loose fitting parts and 7 pound triggers, and nearly useless sights. 1911s in the civilian world, or the uber built special forces 1911, are nice. But your average GI 1911....not so. Im sure a cz75 would kick its ass in accuracy and reliability if you wanted to use more than ball ammo.
~~k9870
: Ágreed. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 13:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Those old 1911's had one thing going for them though, there was a hell of a lot of abuse you could put them through before they malfunctioned. Reliability is a factor. I'm not saying the CZ isn't reliable though, don't get me wrong. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 17:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It was once said "the colt 45 will drop a charging bull dead in its tracks, but good luck hitting it.

Haha, while I do know (note how I'm just basing what I say off of research, so I am open to corrections. Hopefully one day I can fire a 1911 and CZ to really know the differences)that the old GI 1911's were often maligned for their lack of accuracy, I've also heard people say it isn't that big of a deal considering that it is a handgun. In a military capacity, the pistol is there when shit gets up close and personal and you need to defend yourself. When the guy is close enough that you can see the whites of his eyes, I'm sure you're not gonna have to be a deadeye to land shots on target. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 18:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
:My buddy's father was a Marine in Vietnam, and at least according to him, a lot had to do with the fact that their M1911s were just really old and worn. I would think that WWII production of M1911s would've been more enough to supply US forces for decades. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Ive heard they manuactured no new 1911s after ww2, and that they just swapped parts, keeping frame and slide. They were loose fitting, and rattled in holsters. a 7 pound single action trigger, and the sights are just awful, especially against a dark background, cheap 3 dot sights would be better. problem is when people think "1911" they think of the sweet modern ones. To be fair, military berettas are beat to hell too, and have known countless people to say the sights were misaligned, magazines had weak springs, etc.
The cz-75 though, this is the first time ive seen it in a game, its pretty cool. I cant wait to use it, im sick of the beretta being the staple 9mm.
-k9870

Misaliged sights are from them getting knocked around and is easily fixed, worn mag springs is through use and they are easily replaced.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It is true that no new 1911's were purchased after World War 2. The same .45's that were on G.I's hips in Europe and The Pacific were being carried by U.S troops during the Gulf War in the 1990's. I've heard that the quality of the 1911's varied from gun to gun. Some were actually were in decent shape while others were just horrid. I don't believe they all suffered from the problems that K9870 is saying. Although I admit the standard sights on those guns are just awful, Most of the time I can't even make out the front post. A lot of soldiers I've read actually preferred a 1911 to the M9 and carried it when possible. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 22:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I dunno about the automatic thing... I myself have only heard of the machine pistol variant of the CZ-75 until very recently, plus I don't think it has a place in media history as a well-known variant of the CZ-75 (much less the CZ-75 itself, outside of [[Gunsmith Cats]]), so I don't know how Treyarch could know about it. Most of the guns they got ideas for the game from are the airsoft guns they had in their office, and last I checked no one makes an airsoft automatic CZ-75. So I would bet my money on that this is just the game's Desert Eagle - the pistol that outshines the rest (and it's about time! The CZ-75 is very underused in the media, IMO). [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 09:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually I'm thinking that the Python is gonna be the Power Pistol of this game followed by the 1911. The CZ is probably gonna be the 9mm hi cap of the game.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 10:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I hope they dont neuter it for "balance" and that it is awesome, who cares if they need to balance with the makarov and asp? When you buy better guns, they should actually be better, not just change one stat for another.

==asp==

was the asp pistol any good or even used much? It seems the grips would be slippery and the sights are weird.
-k9879
:According to a random site I found, it wasn't used much. Originally, only 100 were produced, and if they are still produced, they are produced only on a pistol-by-pistol basis by custom gunsmiths or shops or something along those lines. The grips were smooth because the original designer intended it to be the ultimate concealed carry pistol, and the smooth grips helped this keeping the chance for the hand to snag on the grips while pulling, aiming, and firing to a minimum. In addition, the sights are weird but when aimed through, due to the design of the sight which employed fluorescent panels, would point at the target when properly aligned, making it easier to shoot reflexively. -Chris Hun7er 23:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It is a S&W Model 39 which was a really good pistol. It looks as though its in the game because of the size of the Makarov. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Over-Under Shotgun ==

The Over-Under Shotgun AKA "Olympia", seems to be based off of a Browning Citori XT shotgun. I don't have a screenshot of the gun ingame (It was on the ground, and in HD, but the page was protected so I couldn't save it). But I am pretty sure that the Browning Citori XT is the real-life inspiration for the Olympia.

==Snubnose more accurate?==

What game designers brilliant idea was this? i could understand faster switch or something, but higher accuracy?

I think they were too stupid to make the snubnose version default and a 6" barrel an attachment. --[[User:Xarex|Xarex]]

A 4 inch python is a great service handgun, they should just have 4inch standard, the 6 inch a slower draw but more accurate, the snubby less accurate but faster draw, and unlocks like a nickle finish, different grips, pimp it out however you please.

I can't think of any reason why anyone would think that a snub makes it more accurate, this is just stupid.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

On the COD wiki it shows the stat page ffor snubnose, down one bar power, up one accuracy.
k9870
:It could be that one of the developers mixed it up by mistake, if its not a mix up..... then why bother making videogames with real guns anymore if Treyarch is just going to make up stuff. --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 08:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::A snub nosed revolver has less power AND accuracy than a full size revolver.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 10:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:::I mean in a video game sense (balance over realism), wouldn't a shorter barrel logically mean less accuracy? Sorry if what i said earlier sounded like i wanted Treyarch to make the game like real life. I just meant that Treyarch would be messing with logic to make a shorter barrel mean higher accuracy. --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 12:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Black Ops Zombies weapons ==

For those that are wondering, this is the "teaser" trailer for Black Op's Zombie mode www.gknova6.com

So far the weapons I can see and identify are the HK21E, Ithaca M37 Trench Gun, a sniper rifle that looks similar to the design of an Artic Warfare Super Magnum and a tricked out AK variant.

Also it seems we may have Zombies in modern arenas like Office complexes and Labs [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:59, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Makarov with target sights. ==

I just noticed that the Makarov has target sights instead of the Military sights. That definatly seems wrong for Military use.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Military sights suck, im sure special forces would replace them.

Maybe but as I recall they didn't have target sights back then, plus they are Dropped by the Russians so they would have the military sights. They aren't that bad by the way, I have personal experiance with them and they are fine.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Saw on COD wiki "upgraded iron sights" as an attachment.

==Strela-3 Missile launcher! Latest Trailer!==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0_r4-eTmlA 1:10 "Vehicle Lock-On Only". Also whats that gun at 2:03, it makes me confus
--[[User:Orita Md.41|Orita Md.41]] 17:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Who Wants to Ice Castro?==
Apparently you can do it, and there's even an achievement for doing it in one shot!
http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/call-of-duty-black-ops/news/call-of-duty-black-ops-achievementstrophies-reward-you-for-murdering-monkeys-and-fidel-castro/a-20101001104021980032/g-20100430155437473001
[[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

tell ya what , if you can do that cuba is gonna be pissed . simmons 8492
Oh, oh, I DO!!! :D [[User:Young Gun]]

== Clues from leaked Achievements list ==

Full list here. SPOILERS! [http://planetcallofduty.gamespy.com/View.php?view=CODBOGameInfo.Detail&id=2]

:-The player gets to use TOW missiles in the game.
:: MP killstreak list is more than few days old.
:-It's DEFINITELY alternative history.
:: That was clear.
:-The Grim Reaper is in the campaign somewhere.
:: Seen already in one of first trailers.

--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Found a PSG1 ==

[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101001181628/callofduty/images/f/f9/Psg1better.jpg Here], to the right of the G2 --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 19:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

: '''Oh. My. God'''. 2000 Famas with flamethrower and M16 handguard. I beg it would sound crazy month ago. Looking forward MoH much more. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 05:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Sharp eye, dude. You have my respect. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 19:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== PM-63 RAK ==

@ 2:04 in the new trailer here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0_r4-eTmlA] Looks like a PM-63 RAK
[[Image:BO Unidentified.JPG]]--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 01:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

:He he, monkey.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 02:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Galil ==

Hey guys, found an ingame image of the Galil, head over to the Black Ops page to see it --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Explanation for Impossibly Inaccurate Weapons ==

It is possible that the explanation is that not all of this game is 1968. By looking at www.gknova6.com viral ad site for black ops, reading the trophy/achievemnt list, and by piecing together all the nova-6 gas based missions I believe that one of the playable characters will be killed or severely wounded in the Bay of Pigs Invasion in Cuba(due to the Sacrifice tropy found on the list at http://planetcallofduty.gamespy.com/View.php?view=CODBOGameInfo.Detail&id=2). The Gk Company or the Russian goverment then has him revived or recovered to relate what happened with his Ops in the year 1993(www.gknova6.com) or 2010(reveal) at Rebirth Island(Vozrozhdeniya Island) home to the Russian Microbioligical Warfare Unit(source wikipedia). This is not fannon look at the all the raw info of GKNOVA, the mission objectives of sevarel missions, and this GKNOVA6 Web site. Sorry for the long windedness but hopefully you will all understand.--[[User:N-10 Aden|N-10 Aden]] 17:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

So...how does any of this new information explain the inaccurate weapons? The missions with the weapons in question like the AR-15 and the AUG really did took place in a time when they shouldn't exist. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Its confirmed this game is alternate reality/timeline so inaccurate weapons is less of a deal.
[[User:K9870|K9870]]

I was more or less talking about way off ones like the WA2000, FAMAS Felin, Artic Warfare, and Spectre M4.Trust me Im not saying thats a good excuse for F-ing up with the CAR-15 hybrid thing and the production "protoype" AUG but that might be the excuse for the G11 and all other post 1970 weapons.--[[User:N-10 Aden|N-10 Aden]] 04:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Of course there's always the point that this is just a video game that has events based off of real life occurrences too... [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 03:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== The Model 1887 is back ==
In before complaining. Seen in the newest trailer around the 00:42 second mark.
http://kotaku.com/5661296/a-look-at-black-ops-single-player-gameplay-and-story

Definitely a shout out to Terminator 2 there. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 02:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed for single player campaign only, by trearch. Dunno about zombies --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh-ho, my friend, they are here. The best part is that the zombies are still of the Nazi variety. http://www.gknova6.com/agegate.php

:I mean dont know if its on zombies--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 20:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Only in one sequence within the campaign, don't think it's in zombies --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 22:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

What did enough people bitch about "how unfair" it is by blaming their lack of skill on "noob guns"?
:Honestly, I can understand why people complained about Akimbo 1887s. They definitely weren't balanced, since you could fire them almost constantly by staggering your shots until you had to reload. They also had almost insane range (For a video game shotgun), and very high power. I was fine with the single 1887, but I was glad that they nerfed the Akimbos. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 17:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

And I hope the zombies arent nazis, i want to fight commie zombies......

:Looks more like there may be a possibility of fighting not only Commie Zombies but Vietcong Zombies and regular civi zombies too, some of those screens look like their wearing office uniforms and lab coats besides military armor. In some ways I'm glad the 1887 is in singleplayer but at the same time I was kinda hoping it would also be added in multiplayer minus the silly akimbo models, they just looked wrong in my opinion. Also sign your posts with "~ ~ ~ ~" without quotations and spaces. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 17:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== The Deer Hunter ==
Looks like theres a scene in the new trailer similiar to the roulette scene in The Deer Hunter, I wonder how that will work in the game. (just a cut scene or a playable moment?) --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 03:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

'MOW" haha that shit gets me every time . simmons 8492
:Nips? Wow, you're doubly ignorant. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

*Actually, there is no proof the Vietcong actually did anything like that, and it is widely agreed among film critics that the Russian Roulette scenes are actually allegories for the American involvement in Vietnam. We also have a few Asian members on this site, so you should keep your racism to yourself. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

:Well I'm not Vietnamese, so that won't offend me. Besides, sticks and stones. I'm more American than I am Asian [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Dont want to look bad to future members, i know some is just joking but some people take everything seriously.

know what , your right . my bad guys . ill take it down. simmons8492

== Walther MPL confirmed ==

Found a video on G4 containing confirmation that the MPL SMG is in-game. For reference it's the gun painted all green http://g4tv.com/videos/49177/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops---Jungle-Multiplayer-Map-Exclusive/ [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 16:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== 'Grip attachment' on Sub Machine Guns ==

I've heard that the grip attachment on SMGs in fact deploys the stock. That would explain why they all seem to be removed/folded ont the SMGs.

:This is most proven on the Skorpion, attaching a grip actually attaches the wire folding stock [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

==Is it just me...==

or is using the same flip up sights on every damn gun just friggin lazy?

[[User:k9870|k9870]]

It's an attachment called 'improved iron sights'. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

No, there standard in game sights. The improved adds outiline and dots to pistols, the flip up sights on guns is laz and trying to look tacticool. Even the m60 has them

And because the standard factory iron-sights for the M60 and the FAMAS, well, SUCK. I really was not a fan of the M60's irons in COD4 and the Battlefield Bad Company games. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
: Agreed. Kinda bugged by the repetitive sights on some guns myself, but I'm not gonna let it get me down. Most of the guns have their own, correct sights. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 08:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, thats Treyarch development style. Put everything they want in any time etape. This game is already dead to me - actually, MoH with its 5 hour campaign is much better than MW2 and Black Ops ('' MW2 with different textures and anachronistic guns'' )
:: Wow dude, you must be from the future seeing as how you are able to form this opinion with a game that hasn't even been released yet. [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 08:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Meh, I usually play games because they are fun. MOH was pretty realisitc, (compared to Call of Duty anyway...) but it definetly wasn't fun (online). I'll just revel in the ridiculousness of it all... Akimbo HS-10 FTW
--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 05:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I just finally see these old obscure guns in games and they put lameass sights on, BTW medal of honors single player was cool (ending was abrupt and anticlimactic though) but online is glitchy and feels unpolished. I want to play COD.

Not really sure about the LAME part, but I'd rather have USABLE sights even if they aren't the originals and seem LAME in other people's eyes. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Is it so hard to ask for variety, im sure the stock sights are usable for a game, i may just use an AK online since it doesnt have flip ups.

Is it so much to ask them to give us variety in the same type of gun, like stock and stockless MP5 or underfolder AK. performances, it makes no difference, but I like variety in what you pick to shoot with. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== *SPOILER* Zombie Mode Characters. ==

Hey, just saw the intro video for zombie mode. It seems you play as John F Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Some CIA Bloke and Fidel Castro... Heres the link:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnbhcHCP24g]r
::That fourth guy would appear to be Robert McNamara, JFK and LBJ's Sec of Defense. Why not just LBJ? Or Bobby Kennedy? They couldn't find two voice actors to do bad Bahston/Kennedy accents? ("Er-eh, toss me another maaahg!") --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 18:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Awsome.--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 23:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

: These guys are only on bonus map that you get after finishing campaign. There are some random US sosldiers fighting Nazi Zombies in normal zombie mode. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 05:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Damn, i love cigars but hate commies. [[user:k9870|k987]]

Zombies better be commies, killing nazis got old i want to shoot commie zobies.

:Is it just me, or would LBJ be better replaced by LHO? (Lee Harvey Oswald.)
::Only if he could only carry three bullets at one time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:47, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

=="escape the past"==

Its a achievemnet listed, does this imply time travel?
-k9870

Or that something one of the characters did is going to come back to bite them in the arse. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

If it's time travel I'm tearing someone at Treyarch a new one--[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:Don't get so defensive over a title. It could be a really cool section, forcing the player to battle his way out of his hometown. Or, maybe time travel. >.> [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 23:31, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Nah I meant it all in good humour XD --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 23:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I highly doubt that it's actual time travel. From what we've seen and has been speculated, the majority of the campaign will take place as memories of Black Ops missions that the main characters participated in. No time travel, just photographic memories. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

==New Videos confirm various unknowns==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrNoLz4gC60&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=dvWBYFCAcck]

Among a few things, this video confirms that the G11 is burst fire only, and at the exceptional rate we expect. The poster has posted about many other of the weapons, also confirming that Full Auto is a pistol attachment for the CV-75. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 20:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Golden Guns are Fugly ==

I mean take a look at this!

[[Image:Golden_PSG1.jpg‎|200px|thumb|none|Golden PSG1]]

[[Image:Golden_WA2000.jpg|200px|thumb|none|Golden WA2000]]

[[Image:Golden_Stakeout.jpg‎|200px|thumb|none|Golden Ithaca Stakeout]]

[[Image:Golden_HS-10.jpg|200px|thumb|none|Golden HS-10]]

Also, it would appear the the Ithaca M37 IS the Stakeout version and not the Trench Gun version we initially believed [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 13:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

:I thought golden guns were fugly before. >> [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 21:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

:That doesn't even look like real gold, it looks spray painted on! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 09:50, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The gold guns look terribad, probably will avoid using gold camo altogether :C --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 00:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:Why spend money on gun colours, when you can just buy gun attachements? :D [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 20:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:^ This. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 23:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Eh, still gonna make my Duke of New York class with a gold Mac-10 and a nickel (I swear I saw a nickel or 'silver' camo) Python. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 23:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:Not sure it was confirmed, I think there was rumors flying around but nothing concrete. Besides, I don't think camo patterns can be applied to secondaries, which is lame. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 09:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Have you heard that even ACOG´s can be added on pistols ? This game is gonna suck.
:::Because the fact that you can put a scope on a high powered revolver (Something that's doable and often useful in real life) means that the game automatically sucks. Thank you for your insight. Also, sign your posts. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Only python can take an acog. And as to golden guns you only use them if you want to and it looks like you can do it for individual guns instead of the whole damn class its in.

The Python's recoil with the ACOG looks pretty balanced, I'm not too bothered about it. Besides, is pretty cool that Treyarch are doing something a bit different. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 17:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

:I just added pictures of all the golden guns, they are pretty gross. I would never waste any fake money to buy them.

==just watched zomie gameplay==

pentagon level, the zombies were amix of original nazi zombies and pentagon workers turned to zombies (were wearing shirt/tie)

Why cant they have communist zombies, seriously?

[[user:k9870|k9870]

:I guess they don't want to offend anyone who might be communist. --[[User:Chrausis|Chrausis]] 23:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I still hope there's some Nazi ones left. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 23:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Nazis made sense in ww2, but thats been done, we want something new, commie zombies.

From what I've seen, the WaW characters are returning to fight straight Nazi zombies, JFK and friends fight Pentagon zombies in the Pentagon, and there's another with Russian zombies in Winter camo (that's shown on that GKNOVA6 website right now). [[User:Swamples|Swamples]] 04:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

The JFK/Nixon/Castro/McNamara level is a bonus level at the end of the game, not the actual zombies mode. The real zombies mode features some new guys in some labs (as seen on GKNOVA6) most probably russian special forces. It will include communist zombies. and the characters from W@w are in it if you buy hardened --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope the pentagon level is 4 player co op so i can play with friends

==Interview with the military advisor==
Here is the link to the interview with the Call of Duty: Black Ops military advisor if anyone is interested in reading it. [http://www.3news.co.nz/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-military-advisor-interview/tabid/418/articleID/185313/Default.aspx] --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 16:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, that Advisor doesnt know anything about weapons. Or any kind of warfare. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 11:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Of course your in a position to judge him right...--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, god forbid Treyarch try and make a fun game, instead of a military simulator. Fun? What's that?! [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 10:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:: But game can be fun even with realistic weapons or good AI of enemies.
Unfortunately, Treyarch went in MW2 way and instead of making enemy AI better, they spawned twice as much of them.
:::No one says COD was ever a military simulator, but a M16/M203 turning up during the Bay of Pigs invasion would seem to be a "bit" out of place. Now that we know the singleplayer is set between 1961 and 1968, any arguments about the game taking place in some era that justifies the anachronisms has become irrelevant.

==Just putting this out there==
Does anyone else believe that now that the game's actually out and we can get higher quality screenshots, that the old low quality caps be removed? Or maybe the entire page be redone so it looks a little more consistent because you have a low quality shot from an online video then a high quality ingame cap from the game. I'm just saying it probably would look better. --[[User:Subiefan98|Subiefan98]] 01:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the low-quality screencaps should be removed ASAP. I'll try to post some as I go through the single-player campaign, but eventually, they too may need to be replaced. I'm running it on 960x600 with no AA for playability. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 02:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:This page also need screencaps from the Zombies mode. I was unable to get the Thundergun (a two-shot sound wave gun that resembles a modern rocket launcher) and the Ray gun due to the constant waves of zombies that may sneak up on you and kill you easily, large number of barriers (too many to defend), and the poor weapons you receive in the early rounds. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I just finished single-player, and I've got tons of caps available. I'll try to upload that are relevant and in need later --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 04:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Impressions So Far? ==

What do you guys thinks of the game so far? My only dissapointment is that they have decided to remove the front sight when you use optics. Other than that, the guns look fantastic.--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 05:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's alright, I haven't played campaign yet since the game is my roommate's so we've only been playing on Live. I think the only thing I'm not really liking so far is that they took away the slip-screen Special Ops. As for the guns, pretty much the same as yours along with the whole flame thrower thing, I just think it is rather ridiculous.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 06:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:Boring. SP is short, unoriginal ('' This wont matter as MoH had short SP too. But it was atleast fun. Atmospheric and realistic fun. While its boring, unatmospheric and completely unoriginal in BO'' ) . There isnt anything like AI. Too many boring scripts. To the guns : They are anachronistic and unrealistic. It feels strange encountering NVA with Spas-12. MP is same like in MW2 ('' Read - Crappy'' ) with tons of spammed killstreasks etc.
:This game deserves '''5/10''', nothing more. Oh, and do not think i have something against Treyarch. I hated MW2 too. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I like it. SP was a bit of a mind fuck at times, and the AI could have been better, but 98% of the time I was having fun. MP is mostly good, better than MW2, though over the last 12 hours I started seeing some tubers. Yes it's anachronistic and ridiculous, but if I wanted an exact simulation of war I'd join the CF. Aside from some maps, I like it far more (In every way) than MW2. Galil w/ red dot & suppressor + 1911 w/ extended mags = awesomeness. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 15:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The story is actually pretty decent, better than the sponataneous betrayals of MW2. The voice acting is also, suprisingly, very well done. I really don't play multiplayer alot, but it's more balanced than MW2. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 15:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The constant flashes on the screen is annoying as hell. Almost gave me a seizure. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The campaign was a bit hard to follow at first, but it comes together nicely in the end. Yes, the weapons are ludicrous (not even ridiculous, beyond ridiculous,) but oh well, I can live with it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:Pretty much, I'll give this game a 9.2/10. The multiplayer and content is better and improved from Modern Warfare 2, but the campaign is a bit too short (only 15 missions :() and there's some minor complicated glitches in frame rate. Overall, the game is much better than Modern Warfare 2 and a good recommendation. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

To be honest guys I just ignore the ancronistic weaponry as it really doesnt matter in the long run. Lets face it, saying a game will suck because theres some AUGs in the 'nam era is just plain ludacris. If Treyarch decided to stick to realistic guns of that period, we would just end up with a bunch of bland, unoriginal guns we have all seen before, making this game both an unnecisary COD sequel and just another crappy Vietnam game that flops. Now that thats out of my system I can say with all honesty that this game is very addicting and its finnally a challenge to kill people(5-6 shots for a kill rather than 3-4 shots a kill in MW2). This game is a way more fun experince than MW2 and finally shows the potential of Teyarch development team. ---P226 21:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

: I agree, you people take the weapons accuracy way too seriously. What the hell did you expect from a mainstream video game? The only games that are ever 100% accurate with the guns, lets face, are awful. At least this games fun. Hate it for any other reason, that's fine I'll respect that. Hate it for innaccuracies when you really should be used to by know, and that's just ridiculous. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 02:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:: You and P226 have both just contradicted yourselves. On the one hand you state it's ridiculous to say a game sucks because of the guns, but then go on to say games that have accurate depictions of guns suck. If the game is fun, it's going to be fun whether the guns are accurate or not. I can't believe that if Black Ops had the correct weapons in it that it suddenly wouldn't be fun anymore. Perhaps you can give an explanation of how this would be so?
::''If Treyarch decided to stick to realistic guns of that period, we would just end up with a bunch of bland, unoriginal guns we have all seen before, making this game both an unnecisary COD sequel and just another crappy Vietnam game that flops.''
::I have to totally disagree with this statement. If Treyarch had used firearms of the period, we would have ended up with weapons that, to my knowledge, have never before been used in a video game. I have mentioned in other posts how the Remington 7188, an automatic shotgun that was really used by the NAVY seals in Vietnam could have been used in Black Ops. Instead we get the SPAS-12, which didn't exist at the time, and has been used in a million other video games. Which is the "bland, unoriginal" gun here? I'm gonna have to say the SPAS-12. Of course, if Treyarch had used the period correct shotgun the game would all of a sudden not be fun anymore and would suck, right?
::''The only games that are ever 100% accurate with the guns, lets face, are awful.'' I find this statement hard to believe. Would you care to back this up with some examples?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 04:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I never said having a game with correct guns of that period is going to be bad, I was trying to make a point that if Black Ops were to have just your standard m16's,Ak47's and colt Commando's, it would be just some normal Vietnam game. Also, all the guns above have been done to death in every video game none to man (though they are nice to have to fill in weapon slots), in my opinion I find the Galil as sweet( and different) Assualt Rifle, Ancronistic or not. If your the kind of guy who can't get over the fact that your using guns lke the AK'''74'''u and the CZ'''75''' in 1968, then this isn't the game for you. ---P226 18:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

:I don't know if you guys remember "Men of Valor," but it was a Vietnam FPS that came out a few years ago. It was developed by the same studio that did MoH: AA, so it felt a lot like MoH: Vietnam.) All the weapons were historically accurate, nothing was out of place, but if you've never heard of it, I'm not surprised. The game isn't bad, but it's not great, and it's flawed. The weapons were correct, but there weren't that many, and many of the weapons were just variations on the same weapon. (M16 and CAR-15, M14 and M21, and AK-47 and Type 56, and you couldn't share ammo for some reason.) Thus, you can make a game like BO that has ludicrously anachronistic weapons and have the biggest media launch of all time, or a game like Men of Valor that has historically accurate (and yes, boring) weapons and have it be unknown to the general gaming public. (You should try out Men of Valor though. If you have an original Xbox, you can get it new for a penny. It's not backwards compatible though.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

: I just might have to pick that up. And when I said the games with 100% accurate weapons suck, I didn't mean they sucked because of the guns, I meant that every game I could think of that was ultra-realistic just simply wasn't fun. No contradiction. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 00:54, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:You all seem to say the guns don't matter, but then show your disdain for having the correct weapons in the game, as if this would somehow make it boring. ''I never said having a game with correct guns of that period is going to be bad, I was trying to make a point that if Black Ops were to have just your standard m16's,Ak47's and colt Commando's, it would be just some normal Vietnam game.'' So if Black Ops had the exact same story, but the correct guns it would just be a normal Vietnam game? Why? The story makes the game, not the guns. And there's plenty of weapons that would be correct to the period that haven't been "done to death" (HK-33 w/ 40 rd mag, used by Navy SEALS, Carl Gustav m/45, Remington 7188, the list goes on) What exactly qualifies as bland,unoriginal guns, that if they were included would make the game boring? I just get the impression from you that the only interesting guns in this game are the ones that dont' belong there. My point is that they could have had period correct weapons and it wouldn't have affected the fun factor of the game at all--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 04:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
::I am more bothered by the guns that didn't make the cut. Why not an M76, a Carl Gustav, a Madsen M50, or an M3 Grease Gun? Sure, they could've, but they didn't, probably on purpose. That brings leads me to what can be an interesting exercise: what would've been better weapons on each level? For the first level (the Cuban one) I would've put in an M2 Carbine and a PPK instead of the M16 and ASP. Other levels? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 04:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

:::You pose an interesting question, but there are actually a lot of different choices so it's one not easily answered. I agree with you on the M-2 carbine, it would be very appropriate for the Cuban level. I feel another good choice would have been one of the Czech SA series of submachine guns. If you've ever seen photos from the Bay of Pigs Invasion, you would have noticed that SA 25 quite a common weapon in the hands of Castro's forces. The FAL is actually historically correct for that level, but it's more likely that was an accident than by design.
:::I haven't played the game yet, so I'm not familiar with all the levels, but I have some general ideas of what they should have included. For pistols a Browning Hi-Power, and if Treyarch absolutely had to have a machine pistol, they could have used the Stechkin. For SMG's, the Carl Gustav M/45 standard model or suppressed version, and if not that then the Madsen M50. The SA 23,24,25,or 26, a Beretta model 12 w/ 40 round mag instead of the Spectre, maybe the MAT-49 for the NVA/Vietcong, if not the standard version then the suppressed model that was supposedly employed by NVA counter-SOG teams. If the MP-5 is going to be included then the standard MP5A3 should have been used instead of that ugly ass prototype MP5K.
:::Of course replace the damn SPAS-12 with the Remington 7188. HK33 instead of the AUG. The correct model CAR-15 instead of the flat top Commando. How about the AMD-65 instead of an AKS-74U? I think they should have axed the RPK altogether and perhaps used 2 different Russian machine guns, maybe an older model like the RP-46, and then the PK for the Spetsnaz.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 02:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

::: RPK instead of "''RPK''" in first level. Also AK-47 instead of "''AK-47''" in second one. Vladimirov KPV instead of Minigun would be awesome. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, this game doesnt suck just because of guns. It sucks because its boring, it doesnt have AI and MP is shitty just like in MW2. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

How is the MP shitty, its definitly not, It developed to be much more balanced than MW2 in every way. Although it isnt perfect,(commando lunges...)it certainly makes modern warfare 2 look like crap as a SUBMACHINE GUN....*cough*UMP45*cough* had more power and range than most assualt rifles. As for the people listing the guns that should have been in the game, all I can say is 'sure I wish they added more time appropriate guns like the Carl Gusav and the Greese Gun, but its too late now and its going to be somthing we have to live as there is no point complaining about it on the internet(not trying to say that in harsh or disrespectful way). I feel if we can all sit down , forget all those anchronisms, and just enjoy this game for what it is, a FICTIONAL cold war/ Vietnam Game. Also on a side note, I think if Treyarh were to have focused this game on Vietnam mainly, then we would have all the correct weaponry, but since there going for a 'top secret CIA' type game,they add all these ludacris guns to accomidate the feel and presence of the cold war.---P226 20:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pistol grips ==

Anyone noticed that there isnt gun without pistol grip ? Jeez. They put one even on Mosin. --[[User:Werc|Werc]] 14:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Mosin and ppsh dont have them, characters just hold them like they do.

: Maybe in first person. But mosin has actually pistol grip when its in hands of NPC´s.

No, they just hold their hand as if they were, when its on their backs or they die and drop it doesnt, its probably due to all other characters carrying pistol grips and they dont want too redo characte rmodeling.

I was taking a closer look at when they hold it (Mosin) and guess what, the world models are normal, but when they hold them they DO have pistol grips.... but i do agree, they probably didn't want to make new models. They probably put grips on them while their holding the weapon just so they didn't look even more awkward (floating hands). --[[User:FirearmsNewbie|FirearmsNewbie]] 22:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Not all the weapons have pistol grips. If you watch them carefully there are no pistol grips EXCEPT on Steiner's Mosin that is given to him my a Soviet soldier. It is actually modeled as having a pistol grip that is quite visable. Otherwise they do not have pistol grips on anything, it just looks like it. --[[User:Subiefan98|Subiefan98]] 16:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Steiners Mosin does not have a pistol grip, its a modeling error because its really a P38 in his hands along with the Rifle--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Gold weapon images ==

Do we really need all those pictures of the gold camo? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah. It shows how silly and disguisting tis game is.
Disgusting? It's not THAT bad, man. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Sign your posts. But, I agree that the gold weapon pictures are rather unnecssary. If someone has the PC version of the game, taking pictures of the standard weapons in multiplayer would be greatly appreciated.--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 20:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Semi Auto FAL ==

Since it is semi auto only, shouldn't it be renamed to the SLR? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

It has a metric reciever and handguards but a SLR-style flash hider... Its a Franken-gun but nowhere near as bad as MW2's FN-FAL was...--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Snub-nose ==
Could the effect of this actually reduce the visual recoil of the Python, allowing you to fire off your next shot faster, and thus make it "more accurate"? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 16:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

But wouldn't it instead exacerbate recoil, without the weight of the barrel to mitigate it? If anything, a snub-nose would make the recoil more pronounced, and thus less accurate for quick follow-up shots.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 23:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh.....looks like I really suck at gun physics when it comes to recovery time and barrel lengths >_> --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 02:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Though it may be incorrect for real life, I'd say Hashiriya's idea is most probably how it works in game. Since all weapons in COD are perfectly accurate when aiming, the accuracy stat is there to show how easy it is for the player to accuratly shoot the weapon, not the actual weapon's accuracy as we would think of it. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

== Tunnel Rat Revolver ==
When in the tunnels, the report of the Python is fairly muted. Is the implication therefore that is it loaded with "closed circuit" shotgun ammunition as used by the experimental [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg213-e.htm Quiet Special Purpose Revolver] as tested by Tunnel Rats in Vietnam?

When ever its fired inside a building its strangely quieter yet louder when you step outside.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's your eardrums preemptively ('prolly didn't spell that right) exploding? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, wasn't that ammunition meant for a .44 magnum? Also its just the way it sounds when its indoors.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

==Stop Complaining==

Please just stop. Who cares if the guns aren't accurate? Just sit back and enjoy the Game! If you don't like the game, don't play it! [[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]]

: 1, I dont play game, because its boring and its just ripoff of MW2. Which was crap too.
: 2, This is firearms site. Not some gaming one. So it doesnt make sense to stop complaining.
: 3, I wont be complaining if those guns would be 3 or 4 years from future. But ''30-40'' ?
--[[User:Werc|Werc]] 07:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Your late to the party, we for the most part don't care anymore.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

^ Hahahahaha! [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 19:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

==Crossbow==
I was playing zombies the other day and got the crossbow out of the box. I do't know if anyone else has seen this but, at least I think, it bears a major resemblance to the PSE Tac 15 crossbow. Again this is just me but if that's true I'm pretty sure that would make it the most anachronistic weapon in the game seeing as it was made maybe 2 or 3 years ago? --[[User:Subiefan98|Subiefan98]] 16:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The PSE TAC 15 uses either an AR15 lower, or is included with basically a reciever shaped the same. Looking at it, it does not appear to have an AR15 type lower reciever on it, judging from the lack of the empty magazine well in front of the trigger. Maybe the upper does a little, I would agree, but in it's entirety in my opinion I don't think it does.--[[User:Fnlover|Fnlover]] 20:44, 05 January 2010 (UTC)

==1911 in Zombies==
The 1911 in zombies is just the regular nickeled finish like in multiplayer it looks black because of the low light in the starting room. If you go outside by the 'double tap' vending machine you can see it in daylight.

In FIVE where the lighting is fine, its still a Blued finish.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Did alittle overhauling ==

Removed the misimformation (Shiny black finish is called a Blued finish) and another things.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

==Front Cover 1911==

Is it just me or is the 1911 in the soldier's hand on the title picture (the right hand when you're looking at it) missing its hammer? I've been looking as closely as I can, but I just can't seem to find it. An error on the artists part perhaps? Strange though, the pistol marked "Sally" has its proper hammer.--[[User:august.allocco|august.allocco]] 17:32, 30 December 2010

Looks like a combination of the light and the angle making it hard to spot. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

== Silencer or Suppressor ==

I was looking at some of the images on this page and noticed that some said they were "silenced" or "with silencer", yet others used suppressor. I always thought suppressor was correct, and silencer only described the effect (although Call of Duty games are notorious for spreading this word around). I have not played black ops, so I was wondering if we would call the attachments silencers or suppresors? --Fnlover 05:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:From what I've heard, both are technically correct, and when the original device was created by Maxim, he patented it as a 'silencer'. Yes, it technically doesn't make the gun silent, but that's it's official name. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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==Page Making==
Two problems. You need to go on IMDb and find the correct title, and spell the title properly when you make a page. And two, actor pages do not require you to add JUST character and movies, the point of the pages is to list the guns the actor has used. IMDb already lists all the movies actors are in, so we don't (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Ben41&action=editand won't) have to. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Band of Brothers ==

Thanks for inserting information onto the page such as characters, situations, episodes, etc. It looks much more cleaned up now! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 19:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

==U571==
Thanks for the screencaps. Just a reminder. Be sure to identify who is on screen and what they are doing in the shot. Also identify which actors used which guns. That is really important information for the individual actor's pages. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Excellent! Great work! Thanks! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

==Hi==

Hey, Ben,

Great work on all the screencaps and contributions you've so far, but I must insist that you try to follow format:

*(1.) Always include gun pictures along with the screencaps from the movie.
*(2.) Always make sure you link to the gun pages.

If you want to save time, you can just go to a page for another movie in which the same gun appears, and copy and paste the code from that page to save time. If I'm doing a page for a movie that has a SIG-Sauer P226, for example, I will just go to a page that has the same gun (like ''[[Air Force One]]''), copy the entry, and then change the code as needed. It's a good habit to get into, and it's important for this site's completeness and cohesion.

Thanks, and again, great work so far. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks I'll try. ==

Thanks for the input, I'll try and include the gun pictures as well.

== Hey Ben ==
I was wondering if i could redo your page for [[Rules of Engagement]]. I dont want to step on any toes, but with your permission, I'll make it look real pretty. :) -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

If you want redo the descriptions, that's fine. I just pretty much did the screen caps. [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 14 Oct 2009

==Your screencaps are too big==
Gorgeous work on the Dark Knight Blu-ray pics .... BUT ... 1925 pixels across?!?!?! 925KB sized files?!?!?!?! These MUST be shrunk down in that the original size won't be looked at full resolution anyway and they are taking up way too much space. Have you noticed how long it takes for these images to be loaded when clicking on the page? I know that some of our veteran members (and mods) sometimes upload gigantic images, but I think yours are now the biggest on the site. Please make them smaller to allow quick loading of your page. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll make sure the rest of the pics I'll upload are smaller in size, but I think the reason it's still loading slow is because the majority of the pics are still PNG's. I'm trying to replace them, but there's a lot of pictures. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

== Robocop ==

Hey, great job at improving the screencaps on the [[Robocop]] page. They look great now! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 08:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, still a work in progress, but I really wanted to up the quality of the pics. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

==New Heat screencaps==
Were those taken from a Blu-ray? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:No, these caps are from the Special Edition DVD. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, did you mess with the color? The reason I ask is the new pic you uploaded of DeNiro seems to have more grain in the pic.
[[Image:Heat-M16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Your pic.]]
[[Image:HT-00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A quick one I took]]
It's not the same exact frame but close. My DVD is the '05 Two-Disc Special Edition. Also when someone sends you a message on your talk page, you reply back on theirs. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I use the VLC too. I never tried saving them to PNG first then the JPEG. I may try that. Also I uploaded a new version of my cap. It's the same frame now. The first one I took was a little bit after. Some of the shots you took look better than others. The shot of Pacino and Studi in elevator looks great, more color.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

==The Unit==
Please tell me you're going to replace all of the older pics with your newer more awesome pics. That will motivate me to get more screen used guns for the page. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

==.PNG Images==

I have always used .PNGs in lieu of .Jpegs because, while they are bigger, they are of superior quality, especially when it comes to thumbnails. Therefore, identifying guns is easier as the images are clearer. Since the rules, standards and principles insists on space conserving .jpeg images, the Carlito's way page will probably be the last one I do using .PNGs. I decided this yesterday before you sent me this and just didn't think it was worth announcing, and the only reason the Carlito's Way images are .PNGs is because I was halfway done with doing them all when I picked up my work yesterday. Needless to say I'll conform to the rules this time, so long as the quality of the screencaps doesn't suffer too much. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 22:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

==The Problem with the Pirates pages==
Thanks for asking ahead of time :) But I hate those pages. There is little we can identify other than 'flintlock pistol, 'flintlock musket', 'flintlock blunderbuss', etc. It's crap. We can offer no other information other than what is completely obvious to the audience. Gee. Jack Sparrow uses a flintlock pistol. So what? They didn't need US to tell them that. And if we cannot identify what make, model of pistol (which is hard since so many are custom), then it is a complete waste of IMFDB server space to have the page. I'm going to go on a deletion spree for all the lame pages with no screencaps on them. It's a part of the rules and standards, that bad pages are NOT better than no pages at all. Lame pages, especially lots of them, makes us look bad. Good thing you're trying to fix a bunch of the bad existing pages. I wish more members did that rather than create endless NEW pages that are lame. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

==Aliens==
I wasn't sure if you were going to be adding anymore pics to the page. I added 3 screencaps, I have a few others that can be added too if you're finshed. I had already capped the film the same time I uploaded the behind the scenes images. Which was at the end of Nov. but I didn't get off my ass and upload them so you beat me to it. Which is no big deal.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Stargate==
:I've noticed that the screencaps that you upload are much brighter/clearer than mine -are you using Blu Ray? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

==The Interpreter==

[[Image:Henry US Survival.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Henry US Survival .22 LR with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope]]

The rifle you see in this picture is the exact same one that was used in ''[[The Interpreter]]''. I got the picture from the web site of Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York, which is the company that supplied the weapons to the production. So it's a safe bet that this exact gun is the one from the movie. You can see it's the same configuration and everything. This same gun was also used in ''[[Lord of War]]'' (another movie for which Weapons Specialists supplied guns).

Also, the AK rifle in the movie is an AK-47, not an AKM (and most likely, it's a converted Poly Tech Legend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

== White Hunter Black Heart ==

I'm into double rifles. Hope you weren't offended by my post on the discussion page, but it's fairly common for folks to mistake a double rifle for a double shotgun.I used to until a few years ago whne I set out to educate myself.Unfortunately it's all book learning. Personally I would love to own a double rifle - even a German double. But the German rifles start at $10,000 and go up to $20,000. The British doubles start at approximately $70,000 and go as high as $250,000. *Sigh*

I have the soul of a snob and the bank account of a working class joe. Oh well. The page looks good by the way.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 06:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

==Last Samurai==
WOW! Great work on the replacement screenshots!!!!!! are those Blu-ray? Stunning! Now I need to secretly ask you to fix some of the popular (but poorly screencapped) pages ;) nudge nudge wink wink ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::BTW, per IMFDB rules, you can replace existing screenshots with your much superior widescreenshots. Some of the pages you've worked on, you seem hesitant to replace the crappier pics. By ALL MEANS replace the crappier pics! Great screenshots are a wonder to behold. Like [[Eraser]], i hope you can replace the full screen caps. No one can complain. The rules say that Widescreen are preferable to fullscreen. :) Also, do you check the forum? I was hoping to PM you there. Send me a PM there so I can reply to it. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
==Extreme Prejudice==
Thanks for redoing those caps. Gunmaster45 uploaded them for me before I knew I how to do them myself. Also I had figured Atwater's pistol was a Smith & Wesson 39, not a Commander. But I couldn't tell enough from my cap. Since you redid it, it's clear. I really need to start messing with the colors on the VLC payer like you talked about. I pretty sure there is only one dvd version of Extreme Prejudice. Also there is an M60 used by the cartel in the final shootout that I missed. I think they are killed by Atwater. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:S&W39-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 9x19mm]]
[[Image:EP-ColtCommander-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Buck Atwater puts down his Smith & Wesson Model 39 after the car is wrecked while fleeing the bank robbery.]]
Alright you must a magic setting when it comes to adjusting the colors on the VLC. I was able to make them better that what it was but still not as sharp.
[[Image:EP-S&W629-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|old stock settings]]
[[Image:DS-00029.jpg|thumb|none|450px|my new one with adjusted settings]]
[[Image:DS-00031.jpg|thumb|none|450px|mine adjusted]]
[[Image:EP-Win92SRC-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|yours.]]
What adjustment am I missing? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
==VLC setting==
Deinterlace? Where is that at? I didn't see it in Video effects. I messed with the gamma some. Maybe I need to use it more instead of brightness. What about hue and contrast also? Thanks for your help on this. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:Edit found Deinterlace. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::Man I tried to get the adjustments right. I give up. Have fun doing the rest of the Extreme Prejudice page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

==Burn Notice==
Your Burn Notice stuff is looking fantastic! Great screen caps and information, keep it up! --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

:Yeah, you've really filled out the page. It was a mess before you started working on it, but now it looks a lot better. I was actually planning to do some work on it for a while, but your screencaps are much higher-quality than mine, and so far, it's coming out great anyway. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hi and thanx...==
Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it and from now on will do screencaps with VLC... :)
But if you're referring to the [[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] screencaps, I am not the one responsible for those ones... I'm just now gonna upload my screencaps and remove those ols trailer caps... [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
==HD and MM quotes==
You forgot, so I added it.

@@@
'''Marlboro Man ([[Don Johnson]]): '''Guns are made to be shot Harley, not thrown. -- ''[[Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man]]''

HD: You're gonna get shot up here.

MM: Well you're gonna get smashed down there!

HD: Hey man I'd rather get smashed than shot.

MM: Not me!

Another one of my favorites, not sure if it would work on the main page.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hi, you need to categorize your pic uploads==
Great job, but when you upload screenshots, you need to put in the Category in double brackets and then put in 'screenshots'. Check out how other screenshots are 'categorized'. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== RE Screencaps ==

Yeah the program I have been using is not the best, and I could not change aspect ratio settings for some reason. I just downloaded the VLC player that you wrote about on your main page. I will try using it and if it works out fine then Ill probably go back and rescreencap pages Ive don in wide screen. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 21:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

==Don't change the Categorization of the Batman movies==
Those were done so that the movies will appear in the order they were made. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::I checked the page edit history. You were the one who changed the "Category: Movie | Batman 2" etc to just "Category:Movie". Don't do that. the Batman 2,3,4, etc. was done intentionally so that the titles sorted by their cinematic order, not by pure alphabetical order. We did the same thing to the blade Series of movies. Done purely by alphabetical sorting, Blade Trinity would be listed AHEAD of the first Blade movie rather than third. Hope that helps, but these specific page edits were done for a specific reason. thanks for your cooperation. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 10:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

==Marked for Death==

I'm glad to see someone is doing a page for this movie!

That being said, Hatcher's 1911 in the movie is not an SVI (I don't think those even existed when the movie was made). We had a topic about this in the forum, but the 1911 in the movie is a Federal Ordnance PSP-07. It's mentioned in the credits for the movie. Check out the forum topic here:

http://www.imfdb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=853

Also, the H&K automatic weapon used by Hatcher is not an HK53 (in fact, it's not even a .223-caliber weapon, if you look at the magazine). It is called the "HK51K", and it's a custom G3 conversion done by Bill Fleming, a Class III manufacturer.

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

==Enhanced image request==
Could you enhance this image from Dirty Harry. The reason I ask is to better see the magnum markings. This one guy keeps changing it to a Model 57 a 41 magnum. It looks like it reads 44 magnum on the barrel. But an enhanced image would make it read better. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DH1S&W25-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This close up is at the end of the film.]]

Thanks. I have the newer box set too. But you usually have a way of making them appear a little bit better. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Pacific ==
So, where did you get access to those high resolution screencaps?--[[Special:Contributions/189.34.128.142|189.34.128.142]] 19:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The trailers are available on Youtube HD. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Eiger Sanction ==
I'v made a couple changes. Hemlock is actually using a [[Smith & Wesson Model 40]] and not a Model 49 Bodyguard. Also the henchman is using hwat appears to be a snubby [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] instead of the [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] snubbie. If you look closely at the screencap you will notice no adjustable sights. The revolver appears to have fixed or duty sights which would make it the Model 10. Also I went ahead and listed the weapons used by Hemlock on [[Clint Eastwood]] 's page. And also showed on the respective firearms pages. But nevertheless it's good work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

==Great work on Waterworld==
I hope you finish the page. :) There are many dressed up guns in that movie. Alas, most of the weapons were changed back after the movie was over, but I can see what I can get from Syd Stembridge regarding what guns still exist that appeared in that movie. Thanks [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
==EP==
Since you're still in the process of replacing images, could you replace the one below?
[[Image:EP-MAC10-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:EP-M16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
With the guy above firing a MAC-10. Don't really need two images back to back with Clancy Brown. Thanks. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

== Richard Attenborough Page ==
thanks for upgrading it. I had run out of time and had to go to work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

== Quigly Poster ==

I like the image of the movie poster. Nice. Really added to the page. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== RE ==
I actually created disambiguation pages for CSI and Delta Force to make page navigation easier. I will try to make as many such pages I can, since unlike Wikipedia, page navigation needs a lot of improvement because sometimes even if we type the proper page name in the search box, we get the result not found.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 10:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Actor's Pages ==

Thanks for the heads up, Ben. I agree that the pages look ''much'' better in the table format, but I've seen several different examples on different pages in terms of what column is which, so I figured I'd leave them in the basic format. However, it seems that now we've reached a more streamlined pattern (such as on the page you alerted me to), so I'll be sure to follow that from then on. On a side note, all of your pages look great, the screencaps are very sharp! Nice work! --[[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 00:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
==Writing spoilers==
On the [[A Perfect Getaway]] page it would hard to write what's going on without spoiling anything. GM45 came up with this on the [[Se7en]] page and I have used it on several pages.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Seven-SAM1911-A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Write spoiler text here.]]

== New Format ==
Sure I can do that. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

==Actor page response==
Sorry, but I'm not that familiar with that format. I know enough about it to modify and add to pages already using that template but have never created one from scratch. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==New pages==
Hey, Ben41! :) You're an awesome screencapper and page fixer, but, please, don't create multiple new pages with no screen caps. At least have some of the graphics ready to roll BEFORE the page is rolled out. Creating new pages with no screenshots or graphics inspires other (less capable page makers) to create scads of new empty pages with only gun listings. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:BTW I have 100% confidence that '''you''' will populate the page with great caps, but the worry is that others will do the first part and not the second part. thanks.

==We Were Soldiers==
I love your HD screencaps. And I know that you have the discipline to put in an appropriate number of screencaps. Heck you can replace even the ones I put in. LOL. It's all about the quality of the pics and the page. I'm just trying to get rid of the full screen caps which I dislike. Anyway, I know you're busy so I started working on the page - it being one of the most VIEWED pages on IMFDB. Did you notice I added more SCREEN USED hero guns to the page? ;) I can probably get more in the future when I have time. I just have to check with Mike Papac as to what guns were used on the production (but that takes time and checking records, etc.). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks for the help on WWS==
Your screencaps look awesome. A little favor though. We're trying to keep the screencaps from between 7-10 per section. I was going to cull the XM16 page, but since you did an awesome job of replacing the full screen shots, I was hoping you would do the honors. A big criticism of the page when it was done earlier was the overuse of screenshots (the XM16 page had 33 screencaps at one point). Thanks again for your great work on the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== User: 99.12.124.133 ==

I sent him a final warning, if he doesn't listen this time, he's gone for good. By the way, excellent work replacing screencaps all over IMFDB with much better ones, you have improved many pages on here alot. Keep up the good work, and let me know if you need anything.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== RE: Thanks for the comments ==

Sure, I'll delete them when you start.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Virtuosity==

Hey, Ben, good work on ''[[Virtuosity]]'', but I have a question. Do you have screenshots of the following characters/weapons from the movie:

* Denzel Washington gets an H&K USP from a transport guard and uses it later in the movie.

* A bunch of the police officers in the movie also use the Beretta 92F, especially at the club.

* One of the terrorists in the flashback sequence is armed with an M16-type rifle, I think an M16A1 with A2-style hand guards (can't tell).

If you don't mind grabbing these screencaps, I'd appreciate it. It would complete the page. Gracias. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks! Also, I think the subguns used in the movie may be [[Walther MPL]] or MPK, not Franchi LF-57s (I started a discussion about it). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Some Last of the Mohicans guns==
Hey there. Glad to see how much work you've done on the page. :) I had some pics of some of the background muskets (used by civilians and indians) that were 'rescued' from the production by one of the gunsmiths I knew who worked on the picture. As you know, the vast majority of the guns were destroyed during the filming (the stuntmen pretty much used their muskets as clubs in most of the fight scenes) and over 400 Brown Bess muskets were destroyed. I have a pic of two background guns. Is there any screenshot which may have these in them? I know they were for background people. One is a modern repro of a common commercial flintlock firearm of the time period, the other is known as a trade gun, i.e. a lesser quality flintlock that had less parts and craftsmanship, developed specifically for trade with the Indians (i.e. they let the 'locals' get the more cheaply made muskets). Anyway, just wondering if you thought we should add this to your excellent page.
[[Image:LastOfMohicans Musket2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|700px|Last of the Mohicans background screen musket]]
[[Image:LastOfMohicans Trade Musket.jpg‎ |thumb|none|700px|Last of the Mohicans background screen musket - fortress siege scene only]]

Thanks [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually those were real firing muskets (modern replicas) of civilian muskets, so they were issued to the Colonists volunteers to represent 'private purchase' weapons of the civilians. The Trade muskets were issued to allied Indians to the British Army as they were the 18th century equivalent of 'lend lease' to friendly Indian tribes. They were indeed fired. All non-firing guns were rubber. The reason why so many guns were destroyed was that after 2 weeks of filming a lot of the actors and stuntmen and background extras were really banging on each other with the guns as clubs during the many days of 'hand to hand fighting' filming. I suspect the filmmakers expected this since the production '''purchased''' the muskets, they didn't rent the majority of them, except for select hero guns. Thanks. So the info on the movie page isn't quite right. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Wild Geese II ==

Thanks for adding to this page, ive been looking for stuff on that Safari Arms pistol for so long now. Do you plan to add screencaps?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 21:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

==Kuffs==
I noticed you did the caps for Kuffs. Do you still have the movie? A quote could be added to the template. Slater says something like "I need a really big gun that holds lots of bullets" The gun clerk explains the Beretta and Slater says he'll take two. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

==House==
The Glock Eleas Koteas holds has a rail so it's a 3rd gen, but also Koteas has big hands. Do you think the gun looks like a .45 cap? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 12:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Re: 24 - Season 5 ==
I'm still working on 24 - Season 5. Unlike most users I don't submit or save my work until it's completely done but I'll just save the first 8 episodes now that your asking. I've been stuck on Kalashnikov variants in the first 4 episodes that's why i haven't finished yet. - [[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 14:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

:Those black sidebars only occur during the first 3 episodes. I think those are caused by the DVDs since I am using VLC Media Player. As you could see I've decided to finish up [[24 - Season 5|Season 5]] since someone already have been posting low res screencaps and not leaving much detail like I did in [[24 - Season 7|Season 7]]. Can you help identifying the AK Variants when I'm done with episode 4. I think if I do one episode per day so I could get much more done. I can't make the caps any brighter since they've already been sitting in My Pictures for 3 months. But I look forward to doing seasons 4, 6, and 8. - [[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 22:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==RoboCop==
Do you plan on adding any more caps to it? Emil Antonowsky ([[Paul McCrane]]) uses the Ithca 37 to shoot Murphy in the warehouse and some shots of him could be added. I have the dvd and can add them, but if you're still working on the page. I'll let you take care of it.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah looks like a TEC-9 mini.
[[Image:TEC-9Mini.jpg|thumb|none|215px|Intratec TEC-9 Mini with barrel shroud removed - 9x19mm]]

Also some more shots of Kurtwood with his "Sidewinder" would be good too and some with his Desert Eagle. Also a shot of Ronny Cox with the Desert Eagle at the end.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:08, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

==Missing In Action==

Hey Ben,
I was screencapping [[Missing In Action]]. Unfortunatly i didn't finish before you started adding screencaps.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks, The one computer i have that can do screencaps sucks but I really do need to learn how to properly use VCl. After Missing in Action I was going to do Delta Force 2 and the the rutger Hauer film Wanted Dead or Alive.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
::My computer is chokeing up on VCL. if you have any more Missing In action images post them. I was also going to do Delta Force 2 but given my limitations that's out for now.[[Special:Contributions/69.232.200.58|69.232.200.58]] 04:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Crossing Over==

Yeah, I was gonna say...rapid turn-around! Anyway, now that I've seen the ones you uploaded, they're of better quality than mine, so I'd rather leave it to you (plus, it ensures that the quality will be consistent). That sound good? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== A-Team Page episode titles ==

I do not know what is standart procedure, but should the episode titles be in italics or in quotation marks? I personally prefer italics. It looks better. -[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I will go through the article and change the titles. Thanks for the answer! -[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

==PNGs replaced with JPGs==
I reuploaded the images as jpgs with proper tags, but how would I go about deleting the pngs? --[[User:Damaku250|Damaku250]] 19:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

==The film page template==
I noticed that you changed the template for [[The American]]. That template has an interesting history. I've never used it because I was one of the early ones who didn't like that formatting change. Some users created a template that had the poster line BELOW the summary line amongst other slight changes. There was no consensus. I think just one person came up with it and used it. But I always did it the way that Bunni did it. The majority of the site was Bunni's way. But ever since one of the Mods made their own 'user's template' people have started changing pages to conform with it, which I never agreed with. Just letting you know, as a mod, I've always been changing them back to the original style from when the site first began. I still think the poster should be aligned top most and to the upper rightmost corner of the page to start with, which means the poster image line should be first on the page, just because that's the way 90% of the site was when it first started and I thought it looked best. Just thought I'd give you some of the interesting background history, (and why most of the pages which I work on are changed to that way, moreso if I did all the work on the page, which I did NOT on [[The American]] which is someone else's page. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::Since you started the page and put all the screencaps up, I defer to your preference. :) Which is what I said previously, but on my pages I prefer the old style. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
==Jesse Ventura==
I'm not one to trust Wikipedia. Ventura might have served in Vietnam, but is said not to have saw actual combat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#Navy_career Otherwise I would have included him when I wrote up the Richard Chaves page. I was wanting to do more research into Ventura's military career. Ventura is a veteran though.

Also before I build an actor page I search their name before I build the article, take Melanie Griffith she also used a SIG P230 in Season 3 of Miami Vice.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

cont...

I thinking the wording Chaves' page should be: "Best known for his role as Poncho in Predator, Richard served in the Army's 101st Airborne Division, he is one of two actors in the film that served in the Vietnam War. The other being Jesse Ventura who served in the Navy's UDT."

Alt wording could be "Best known for his role as Poncho in Predator, Richard served in the Army's 101st Airborne Division, he is one of two actors in the film that are Vietnam veterans. The other being Jesse Ventura who served in the Navy's UDT." Or if you can think of better wording, go for it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

==Miami Vice vs 24==
I'm going to wrap up season four of Vice probably next week. Then I'll get started on season five. When that gets finished we'll be able to do an accurate count on the total number of different guns used. You can go ahead do a count on 24 if you want and see where it's at. Also don't just add the number of guns per season together. A Beretta 92FS counts once not eight times. If we did that 24 would be at 234 and Miami Vice would be at 195 currently with a season and a half to go. I think Vice was at 100+ different guns before the page was split into seasons. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Reupping a-team image ==

It´ll have to wait till Friday. I´ll get it done then.--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry for the delay. Was away for longer then I expected. The [[A-Team%2C_The#Ruger_Mini_14_Stainless_version_with_Folding_stock|image]] has been replaced. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

==Cherry 2000==
You're doing great work but you're doing too many pages at one time. I clicked on one of the images you uploaded for the film a few weeks back. It was Ben Johnson holding a SAA (I'll always remember him from The Wild Bunch), I checked the paged today it wasn't on there. I went through your uploads and found it along with another that had Brion James with a Winchester 1897. I put them on the page. You may want check your other films and see if any images are missing. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Kingdom ==

Any specific reason why you reverted the close-up of Sykes with the 91? And the one of the MP5? Your over-brightened (and sorta yellow-ish) shots aren't exactly better. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: I personally cant see the point of using your 91 pic over the new one. It´s more detailed and you get to see the stock fully. Though in retrospective reverting the MP5 picture was a good idea indeed. And the whole .png to .jpg thing isn´t necessary for me. I own Photoshop, so I can regulate the quality of my .jpg´s fully (which is also the reason why all my uploads until yesterday were so big, I only started to use lower compression then)..--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

VLC never made it darker for me. Are you sure that you have the video effects off? It might also simply be your screen. The brightness differs heavily between different models (there´s a massive gap between my laptop and my gaming rig in terms of contrast). --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Good Work ==
You're doing good work. Remember to link the movies to the guns or is that link the guns to the movies. Nevertheless keep it up. Thanks for the help.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Using Photoshop ==

Sounds overly complicated to me. I take the caps, work up the quality a bit, resize and save with quality compression 10. It works well enough. Though I am open to any kind of advice. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

: I was planning on redoing those, but lost interest that very same day. You can redo them if you want. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jesse Stone ==
Yes but I have no definite timetable. If you want to do it go for it. My ego won't be bruised. On the other hand you suck for updating [[Fort Apache, The Bronx]]. LOL. I've been planning on doing an upgrade, but I was going to borrow my father's DVD and I'm not going to be seeing him until October. But perhaps I'll see if I can get some screencaps to add at that time. As you probably noticed I've been tinkering with that page over the past couple years. It needs some work. Good job. And you are welcome. Also right back at you. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Not a problem. And yes I've read that there is another Stone movie coming out this year. I believe they've already filmed it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==Admin==

Hey, Ben, the thought just occurred to me...you are WAY overdue for an Administrator position offer. Have any of the other Admins offered you the position yet? You've been doing a lot of work on this site for a long time, so I think you've earned it. If you want the job, I will gladly email Bunni and ask him to promote you. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Guess we're getting promoted. ==

I've been invited as well. I put your name in, but it looks like somebody beat me to it. Congrats.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== All hail ==

our new Ben41 admin overlord. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 16:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Carnosaur 3 ==

Okay, [[Carnosaur 3: Primal Species|it's]] been taken care of. How's it look now? I've also added a section about two pistols that have been at the beginning and end of the movie, I really can't tell what the are, but I think they either are:

#[[Glock|Glock 17]]
#[[Beretta 92 pistol series|M9]]
#[[Taurus PT92]]
#[[M1911A1]]

Here's the pictures of the pistols:
[[Image:Carnosaur3DolanPistol.jpg|200px]]
[[Image:Carnosaur3HodgesPistol.jpg|200px]]

==BTW - a belated Congratulations on your promotion to Mod==
Now you will have to fight the trolls/idiots/fanboys even MORE! hahahahaha(evil laugh). Congratulations!!!! MPM

== Thanks man ==

Thanks for fixing the page I created. Sorry that it wasn't up to scratch. I was just surprised that no-one else had made the page in the three years since the movies release. Appreciate it. (Gunmaster12)--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 04:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
==Lame actor pages==
I would have just deleted them. Maybe then he would get the message. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Apocalypse Now Trivia ==

I did see the documentary, but that was about four years ago, so my memory may be wrong. Also, I've never really been much on spelling and grammar (my english teachers will tell you). - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

== Category ==
How do I start a category or sub-category. I would like to create a couple new ones. For Italian movies/directors and Australian movies/directors. But I can't figure it out. Help --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Hogan's Heroes ==

I got a picture of Bob Crane with a P38, BUT you cant see his face thanks to the SS disguise. Do you think that I should still put it up? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Re:Thanks for your help ==

Sorry about replaying late, but help with what? If you're talking about Banukis517, no problem, he seemed like a good contributor and I didn't want to see him get banned.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 17:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== PPK in The Unit ==

No, I do not remember which episode it is from. I guess you'll have to watch them all [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks for the Alphaville help==
My first time. Thank you very much for the assistance[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 11:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== New RoboCop pics ==

Well, I'm a good bit late here, but I want to congratulate you personally on putting on the upgraded caps for RoboCop, especially the newest Blu-Ray caps. It's my all time favorite film and it looks bitchin' in Blu-Ray from the pics I've seen (on here and elsewhere). Anyway, it looks great - Excellent job on it, as well as the others you've done, man. Glad to have every gun on there now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:: - Rather than make a new section, I'll just post here. I've seen RoboCop again recently and since you have gotten images for it before, I'd like to ask if you could help add a bit more to the page. I've been having problems getting screencaps off DVDs lately, hence why I'm asking you, plus you have Blu-Ray. Anyway, it turns out that not every single gun is on the page; one of the 'new' images I'd like to try and grab is the where Lewis and Murphy pull up to the Steel Mill following the van chase - there's a rack in the car with a Colt Commando/CAR-15-style rifle on it. It's not really a good shot of the gun but should be included (I'll be adding the section in a minute). Another one is right after that in the mill, when Murphy confronts Emil and the other crook. Right before he says his 'Dead or Alive..' line, he shoots the other crook who grabs his 870 shotgun. I'd like to get a couple shots of him when he gets shot by Murphy, as there's a blooper where the gun changes from a standard 870 Police Folder (which he picks up) to one with an extended mag tube when he gets shot. Again a minor thing but I would like to make a note of it. Anyway, that's pretty much it, I can understand if you're busy and all so take your time and let me if you're able to do them or whatever, I'd appreciate it and I think the page would benefit that much more. Thanks for your time. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:::- Actually, on second thought, the gun on the rack might be a shotgun. Well, anyway, I guess that's it. A Blu-Ray cap might help the ID out, but maybe not - again, it's not shown that well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

:- Very nice, man. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

==invasion==
Yeah, thanks for the heads up but I am still working on it. Kinda hard when I'm actually in the middle of several productions at the same time. The aggregate time I have available to screencap and post on IMFDB is about 20 minutes a DAY currently. I should have done more but I still have a ton of unfixed screenshots that I have to crop and upload. Thanks for the message, though I would still like the opportunity to finish it :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Redirects==
You aren't doing the redirects right. You redirected the [[Colt Mk IV Series 70]] to the [[M1911A1]]. Check the link below that's how you're supposed to do it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Colt_Mk_IV_Series_70&redirect=no

==Saving Private Ryan==
You're images have too much saturation and I'm planning to revert them back to Gunmaster45's pics and/or replace them with mine. The movie was suppose to be like that to give it the old look. I recommending seeing the discussion page for [[Saving Private Ryan]]. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for fixing it. Now the pictures looks a little closer to its original quality. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 04:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

==The Score==
I checked out The Score and noticed the screencaps are brightened and sharpened on the page. Excellent work, they look great! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== <nowiki>{{Film Title}} & __TOC__ </nowiki> ==

For some reason when you use <nowiki> {{Film Title}} & __TOC__ </nowiki> it will put the weapons list at the bottom of the movie poster. But if you type out "The following guns were used in the film" and use <nowiki>__TOC__ </nowiki> it doesn't. While I like using <nowiki> {{Film Title}} </nowiki> because it saves on typing, but when you have to use clear=all also it doesn't work to your advantage. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:It must have to with having written text or an image code above clear=all. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

==Nikita Disambiguation==
Putting the off shoot shows on the same lines is wrong. Those are 'footnotes' to the original entries, since they are NOT technically disambiguations since they have different titles. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

==Grindhouse==
Please, do not delete the screencaps from [[Grindhouse]] and turn them back. It was taken from YouTube videos, it's not illegal (cause it's legal to put on YouTube fragment of the film and watch it, and even do the screencaps), especially in case of [[Grindhouse#Hobo with a Shotgun]] - this was even on director's Jason Eisener's official channel. And you're wrong -there are japanese DVD release. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:07, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
: I think I can shock you. Just discovered that another video was from Rob Zombie's [[http://www.youtube.com/user/RZPerversion99 |Official YouTube Channel]]. Get back those pictures. :) --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I think we should just combine Planet Terror and Death Proof into the Grindhouse page. Thoughts?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah you're right, it's going to be released together in a few months. I don't that will matter much, except maybe allow better fake trailer caps. But User:Kloga does need to choose what Hobo with shotgun pics he really wants to keep. There's too many of them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::: Ben, message about Rob Zombie means, that it's the same case, that with the Hobo, cause he directed this trailer and he legally put it on YouTube from his own copy of the film. So, could you take the pictures back, please? --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Thank You ==

Thank you for correcting me when I posted items in the wrong spot. Very gracious of you. I appreciate it greatly.--[[User:Markethunter|Markethunter]] 21:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

==Harry Potter==

Thank you for completing the ''[[Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone]]'' page for me. I appreciate the help. I also took the precaution of making a redirect page for the film's original UK title. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 13:38, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

== Lost ==

Please stop changing the images on the Lost page. Your images are of vastly inferior quality and it is doing a disservice to this web site. Your pictures have colors that are washed out and bleeding and look far worse than the originals. I took great care in selecting high-quality images to place on this site and I do not appreciate your ruining them with inferior versions.[[User:Axeman|Axeman]] 21:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think yours are superior. You've adjusted the darkness so the weapons are easier to see and you cropped the black bars which is one of the things that are requested for imfdb. Also I don't see any of the colors bleeding.I'd replace the images. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

==Hawaii Five-0==
Sorry, the pictures looked a little small and since 600 has become the site's standard I went ahead and changed them. I noticed they looked blurry and a little awkward in 600px but decided to leave it. If you want to keep it 400px I'm fine with that and will leave the page alone. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Gunfight at the O.K. Corral==
Dude, I cannot tell you how AWESOME it is you did that page! What an iconic movie and IMFDB didn't have it, until now! Just a note of THANKS!!!!!! Incredible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== Blu Ray caps ==

I was wondering which tools you use to take Blu Ray screenshots, since it isn't possible with PowerDVD 10 (which is what I have).--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== No PNGs??? ==
Why does the upload page say this then? "Permitted file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg. " See what's there? If PNG WERN'T allowed, then wouldn't it not be there in the first place. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I bit the bullet and got the program that you're using. It really works great for mass conversions. I think I'll be able to update my "The Specialists" page with the caps by the end of this week. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 03:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

==Cease and Desist==

Please stop restoring deleted documentary pages. It has been agreed upon by the administrative staff that documentaries are no longer accepted within the scope of IMFDB. Please see the [[Mail Call]] talk page for precedent on this decision, and respect admin decisions in the matter. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Deleted unknown Winchester page? ==

Just noticed you deleted the unknown Winchester from the True Grit 2010 page. Is that in accordance with site policy, or just personal taste?

== The FLy ==

Sorry. Saw that it had been marked for deletion. Guess I jumped the gun. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

sorry about that. i think i may have written over other pics, i'll change them right away.

== The Stand ==
Thanks. And not a problem about the posters. I actually enjoy doing that. Along with firearms I collect moive posters. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== RE: Adding films for feature article ( I Robot) ==

Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to remember that next time :) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

==Looks cool==
We can use it for reference, but we can't use the pages for copyright purposes. I am just frustrated that I didn't get to photograph a ton of stuff before they were all sold to private collectors ... :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==The Odessa File==
Thanks for screencapping the page. I haven't been able to find it and I was preparing to buy it. Probably still will buy it, but it bugged me that there were no caps.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Sorry but I don't no how to delete if you tell me how and I will and plus there's no need to get angry at me quote "You have been warned" like what the hell is your problem

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
The flamethrower was used in the film or some sort of custom made flamethrower was used. just watch the film.

== RE: A-Team 2010 ==

Well, I sorta knew this was comin'. The source where I got those screencaps for the movie is this: http://www.discshop.fi/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=75676&lang=fi&subsite=bluray&&ref= <-- That is a website in finland, which concentrates on films, games, music, etc. I ordered the BLU-Ray about 1½ weeks ago, and it was released on October 29th in Finland. I assure you, it is '''NOT''' a bootleg of any kind. But I see your point, and if removing those caps (for now) is for the greater good, I have no objection. We wouldn't wanna face legal consequences. But hey, can you at least save the screencaps? I mean just delete them from the A-Team page, not the whole site? 'Cos I spend almost '''4 hours''' taking and uploading those screencaps. That way, I could put them on the site on the 11th (or was it 14th) day, when the DVD is supposed to come out.

PS. I was also bewildered when I noticed that a film had come out in Finland looooong before it comes out in the US.
(NOTE: I will also put this on MoviePropMaster2008's talks page) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 01:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

:::RE:RE:A-Team 2010
Hi Ben, I was wondering that now when the DVD for The A-Team has appeared in the US, could I upload/or add (the rest of) my screencaps to the page?? Oh, and do I have to replace my previous screencaps with new ones (since they were uploaded before the official release date), or can I just revert the page to the latest version by me? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 12:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

::Ok, thank you. I'll update the page soon. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

==The Way of War==
Great work! but actually, IMFDB rules states that IMDB is the final say on U.S. release titles :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1133995/combined
So it is "The Way of War" not "Way of War". I can't figure out why the Poster says that. Only the Australian and French Video releases changed the named to "Way of War", but I would still conform to the U.S. Release standard. :) Just giving you a heads up :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::You're right. WTF? Amazon has it listed differently than IMDB. WTF? I don't know then. We always go with the American distribution title and usually IMDB is our bible on that. This is the first time I've seen this happen. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== PNG's ==

Better off asking [[User talk:Bunni]] about it, but I think with this site being a wiki, there's no way to change it. It's in the rules, but that doesn't mean much to some. Generally if you're nice about asking the user to change them, they will. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Inception ==
Good screenshots you have on the Inception page. They look much more sharper and refined than SOLID's possible pirated images. Also, I watched the third level scene and didn't seem to find a Norinco QBZ-97 being shown. All that's there are M4A1 Carbines and MP5A3s. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind. I found the QBZ-97. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 18:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== zombie Killer 1995 ==
Ok will keep that in mind. But if I can't find a website that will give me a good picture I will have to go with the crappy picture.

== PNG ==

Unfortunately the wiki software does not allow me to edit the upload file page. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 04:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
I got the screen shots from videoweed.

== Electra Glide in Blue ==
Very good. Thanks for making the page!--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

==Sniper==
This image from [[Sniper]] got uploaded over because of the file name. Need to tell the guy to re-upload his under a different name. I would do the same with the Sniper pic. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:33, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

==Taktarov==

sorry bout that man, the first time it got corrected i didnt see any notice, but i havent been logged in as of late so i havent kept up really, wont happen again, coulda sworn that it was him though. thanks for the notification.

==uploading help==

hey man, im trying to upload a file for the transformers 3 page and im having some trouble, could you help me out0?

edit: thanks dude, i had that figured out, what was happening was the file was showing up as "empty" when i went to upload it, so i just found a different version of the file, thanks though!

Edit: no man, i did a google search, so im gonna assume that was wrong. ill lay off that page for now. lol

-Puckstopper

== Hickey & Boggs ==
Where in the hell did you find the DVD of ''[[Hickey & Boggs]]''? I've seen that I can buy one on Amazon for like $85.00. I am in awe. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ahhhhh. I see. Didn't think of that. Too bad. I would like to own the DVD, but not for $85.00. Well good work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes I read that on imdb and amazon. Another reason why I wouldn't pay that much. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Your tip. ==

Thanks a lot, Ben. Once I get the time and the software, I'll go ahead and start working. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2011-01-14T02:45:32Z

Acora:

__TOC__ 

==NCIS/Sons of Anarchy crossover arsenal==
Hey I'm writing a crossover between those two shows and would like a second opinion about the arsenal the 3 Nomads use. it's listed below.

Nomad’s weapons: In Trojan Horse and the sequels that will follow The Nomads employ a variety of guns and weapons to get the job done, however they usually carry them on their persons, their saddlebags, or in their Chevy van.
Their weapons include:
On person:
Sam: Glock 22, KaBar, Glock 26 on right ankle holster, S&W tactical boot knife on left ankle

Vince: Glock 21, KaBar, 2 Glock 26s on a duel ankle holster on right ankle, S&W tactical boot knife on left ankle

Hank: Dual Glock 21s in shoulder rig, Big Daddy Jungle Knife, 1 Glock 30 on right ankle holster, Tiger shark combat knife on left ankle

In Saddle bags: 10 in each

Sam: 1 Sawed off Remington 1100, 1 Walther P22 loaded with ratshot, 1 Tec 9, 2 Kimber Custom 45s, 3 Glock 17s, 1 Glock 34, 1 Berretta PX4 storm 45

Vince: 1 Sawed off Ithaca M37, 1 Walther P22 loaded with ratshot, 8 Glock 19s

Hank: 1 Sawed off Remington M870, 9 Glock 21s

106 in Van in a custom extra tire compartment in the back floor, gun rack, glove

compartments, and boxes:

60 Handguns:

30 Glock 17s

10 Glock 21s

10 Glock 22s

10 Glock 27s

15 Shotguns:

5 Sawed off Remington M870s

5 Sawed off Ithaca M37s

5 Benelli M4 tacticals

12 Assault Rifles:

12 AK 47s

11 Knives:

5 5” Tantos

1 Spartan fixed blade

3 13” Bowie Knives

2 Neck Knives

8 Melee:

3 Louisville Sluggers

1 9 iron golf club

2 sawed off pool cues

1 black jack

1 Brass knuckles

What do you guys think? Are these weapons appropriate for outlaw bikers?
Also heres the link to the story:http: //www.fanfiction.net/s/5643700/1/Trojan_Horse. tell me what you think.

==Bolt-Action Shotguns==
I have watched some youtube videos with people using a variety of bolt-action shotguns, one of the videos is called 16 ga one handed redneck style where he has modified this bolt-action shotty by sawing off the stock and adding a green finish, if you can identify it I would appreciate it.

==IMFDB = Internet Movie Firearms Data Base, right?==
That's an assumption from the obvious subject of this Wiki. Don't you think the full name should appear on the Main Page? I don't see it anywhere! Fine Wiki you've got going here. [[Special:Contributions/68.199.188.123|68.199.188.123]] 05:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:You are right! We should have the title INTERNET MOVIE FIREARMS DATA BASE somewhere boldly on the main page. I can EDIT the page, but it has a lot of wiki code on it and I don't want to mess anything up. Can someone else with access (and more wiki code experience) do this change? Can Bunni do this change? It seems pretty obvious and I can't believe we didn't catch it until now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::- I see now we have a big '''Internet Movie Firearms Database''' banner on the main page. Looks good. All the OCD nuts should be happy now! Yay! :b Seriously though, it is good to have it, thanks and nice job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

==Oh, and another question==
Just watched very interesting commercial. Directed by [[Sam Raimi]] it's actually spoofing [[Desperado]]. There are guns, including [[Remington 1866 Derringer]], one of my personal favoties, i can recognize it everywhere. There's also [[John Saxon]] here. Can i do a page about this commercial? Also, if more global, can commercials and music videos be here, as they also media, like video games and movies. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 15:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know about that. That's getting too much out of scope, I think. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::NO Commercials, NO Music Videos. There are tons of commercials that play only in Europe or Asia and we can't verify any of that info here. For one thing, you can't BUY or rent the DVDs of television commercials and (the vast majority of) Music videos to screencap them, or more importantly, confirm the veracity of said pages. Yes, chances are you can find a (usually low rez version) on the Internet, but really, do people wonder about the guns in either of those types of visual media? If we include ALL visual media, then we would be forced to accept news broadcasts, documentaries, industrial or training videos, etc. etc. and veer farther from the central theme of being the MOVIE firearms database. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::: You wrong actually - there are tons of DVD and festivals, that show commercials. And you can verify them via youtube Though, never mind. But can i do the thing on [[Sam Raimi]] page as a bonus like "Other Works" on IMDB? --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 09:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::::No YOU'RE WRONG, Kloga. You insist on adding things that are (a) unnecessary and (b) Stupid. I'm on the verge of banning just because you keep on pushing it and pushing when we say NO to your various ideas. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

- Commercials? Music videos? Are you joking? Man, there are literally zillions of commercials that have been made in the world, and I'm sure a healthy percentage of them have gun usage. There have also been loads upon loads of music videos, with a much higher percentage of them having firearms in them. All of which would make for a rather ugly number of additional pages. You're talking about increasing this site in size and organization by at least two or three-fold, if not far more. Be realistic. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

==Request: High Heels & Low Lifes==
While kinda chick-flick-ish, it's still a highly entertaining movie.. and has some really nice looking firearms. There is a scene where one of the main characters, Mason, is standing in the doorway of a darkened apartment, turns to face (three quarters) the camera and pulls out a gun. I have no idea what kind of firearm this is but it looks really awesome.. and if anyone can identify it would be much appreciated!

==Jacked pictures==
The following are pictures taken from my website. The first one is edited, but it's still my picture. The first version still has my copyright notice on it, as does the second picture. [[Image:M1891.jpg]] and [[Image:M39.jpg]] Please remove all versions of both these pictures from the database. I'm not very familiar with wikis or I'd do it myself. --[[User:7.62x54r.net|7.62x54r.net]] 23:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

==English Scripts==
To unregistered users. use English script when writing on these pages. Most of us are American and don't run asian word scripts on our computers. Thus Asian letters are unreadable to us and look like gibberish. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== Screencap Legality ==
How do you know whether uploading screencaps violates copyright or not?
: Pretty sure it is okay because no one has hunted us down to sue us, but anyway, as long as you don't claim it is your work and credit only yourself, you should be okay. -GM
:: One thing I would advise you to do is not upload screenshots from pirated copies of movies that haven't been released yet on DVD and Blu Ray. I imagine that if someone working for one of the studios saw that, they would be very upset. They'll know the shots came from a bootleg if the movie isn't out on DVD yet, and they might just throw the book at us. Avoid this at all costs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Merging articles ==

Is it possible to merge an article with a pre-existing article? Every time I try to do this with particular types of guns, I get an error message that says, "A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name." For instance, if I wanted to move the HK91 article under the H&K G3 article (since the HK91 is a G3 variant, I don't think it needs its own page), I can't do this.
::To merge an article, take the article, copy all the information and put it on the new page in the format you wish to make. You can also do this if you wish to change the name of a page. Take the page that you copied everything from and delete everything on that page. Write on that page this exactly(minus quotes):
"#REDIRECT (then use double [ ] brackets) and write the name of the page EXACTLY AS IT IS. Screw up the name and it'll redirect no where.
:Example
# "#Redirect [[[[M16 rifle series]]]]"
Note:How I made it look finished is what it should look like. Not what it looks like when in the editing of the page. Hope I helped. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This is probably rhetorical, but is this the same method of redirecting to a page, i.e. [[QBZ-95]] redirecting to [[Norinco QB rifle series]]? I noticed that a page for the QBZ-95 was deleted because there already was one (Norinco QB rifle series), but whenever you type in QBZ-95, there are absolutely no results for it, and that could be confusing for your everyday user..[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 22:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Let there be backups! ==
Ok, I've installed ruby on our dedicated server, signed up for Amazon's s3 storage service, and customized a ruby backup script to automatically backup the database and all image files at 4am pst and upload them to our s3 folder. The process really bogs down the box for a good 10 minutes, so I'm thinking once every 24 hours is fine, but I may go to once every 12 hours eventually... Thanks for putting up with the ups and downs during this time of transition.

Best,
Chris
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] 05:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to our new server! This is the first of many steps I am taking to ensure we never lose data again. The site used to be hosted on shared hosting overseas - we now have a dedicated server housed in a co-location in San Jose, CA. Dedicated servers don't come cheap, but your time, effort, and contributions are now my number one priority.

I'm still transferring the images that have been uploaded over the last couple days, don't worry they're not lost!

==The McUzi==
It wasn’t until I read the ‘Raw Deal’ article on the “fake Uzi” that I realized Hollywood was dressing MAC-10s up as Uzis.

In ‘The Dog of War’ the mercenaries are supposed to be using Uzis. However some are using MAC-10s and some are using MACs dressed up as Uzis. The actors seem to change weapons randomly. For example, as the climactic battle begins Tom Berenger is using a real Uzi and Christopher Walken is using a silenced Uzi. However in the final minutes both are using McUzis. This is made painfully clear as Walken holds the gun to his face when reloading.

There are real MAC Uzi hybrids. These are civilian versions of the Uzi with a .45 barrel, bolt and a MAC-10 magazine well to accept the universal Grease Gun magazines.

The Hollywood guns are merely MACs with Uzi parts added on.

I would see to real reason to make a gun like this accept that the filmmakers wanted to use Uzis but ran out. Much like ‘Planet of the Apes’ when the studio ran out of ape costumes they simply used paper mask. If you look closely at the audience of Heston’s mock trial.

I captured some great stills to add to ‘The Dogs of War’ article.````

== moved from main page ==
We're on the new server and still working the bugs out - email me at cserrano@gmail.com if you're having any issues editing or logging in. The backup file is from early September 30, so most of yesterdays edits are missing - sorry GunMaster45 I'm working on it! [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 17:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC) ''GunMaster45 I've recovered the latest version of the [[Street Kings]] page - anything else we're missing?'' [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 21:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I had the R9 pistol which I had uploaed today but I redid it. Will the pictures remain fuzzy and pixelated or is that just temporary? (Hopefully) -GM

If you find something missing from the old server you can still access it here 66.79.167.132/~imfdb/index.php?title=Main_Page [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 20:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I had just uploaded some pics of the AR18 from Terminator and the Street Sweeper from Total Recall. Can you get them back, or should I upload them again? Also, MPM2008 uploaded some new gun pics, and I don't think he'll appreciate their loss.

== How do i "screencap" a movie? ==
How do i screencap a movie?: [[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 12:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, OK then. We all have our own methods of doing so. Personally, I play my DVDs using VLC Media Player, which has a Snapshot feature which lets you take screenshots when paused, and then it saves them automatically as JPEGs or PNGs to a designated folder of your choosing. However, that's ONLY when I'm screencapping movies I own on DVD. I also rent and download movies using iTunes which I might screencap for IMFDB pages, and I can't play those with VLC. In those cases, I just hit the "Print Screen" key, paste the image into MSPaint, and then crop away the iTunes browser so that only the movie image remains. Then I save them to my HD in a designated folder. Once I've acquired enough screenshots for a movie, I use "Upload file" to put them on IMFDB so that I can use them for pages I edit. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::First and most importantly, you need a DVD drive in your computer to watch the movie. I watch mine on Windows WinDVD system, which has a built in "screencap" button by pressing P, which saves them all in WinDVD file. I take those files from the folder, which are all saved under BMPs and re-save them as JPGs using Corel Paintshop. If they are widescreen, I use crop to cut them out. I then upload them to the site and post them. Now that I've read MT2008's method for iTunes, I can screencap [[Shoot 'Em Up]] which wasn't compatable with my WinDVD system, but worked on my other DVD player which had no screencap button. Hooray! -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

And also you can use the program I use which is CyberLink PowerDVD which also has a built in Screenshot button. First the screenshots start out as BMPs, but then I use Irfan View to save them as JPGs to a different folder. And if they are widescreen, I use Windows Photo Gallery to crop off the black bars. You should also check out Gunmaster's and MT2008's methods because they might be better.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What about taking pictures on a digital camera and uploading them to your PC? Does anyone know if it works?[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::Thats a very myspace101 question but it's simple there's about 4 ways to do it but I've only done 2. (This demonstration is only done on Windows XP)

:::Option 1: If your camera has a memory slot like a (Compact Flash, Secure Digital, Mini SD, Micro SD, Memory Stick Pro, MultiMediaCard (MMC), SmartMedia, xD-Picture Card (xD), etc.) you could remove the card from the camera. Step 1: Once you removed the card from the camera if you have a compatible USB card reader you can plug the card reader into the computer and plug the card into the card reader. The most common great quality card reader brands are (Sandisk, Memorex, PNY, and Lexar) for approximately $20.00 at Wal-Mart.

:::Option 2: If your camera has a connection for a USB cable. Step 1: You can easily find and plug the USB adaptor into the camera and plug the other end of the plug into you computer.

:::The upload process is easy (tested on Windows XP) your computer bottom right task tray will show a "Found New Hardware" icon and be gone that means your camera is connected. Step 2: A pop up will show on how you want to view your images click on "view with Windows" if this pop up does not pop up you will have to manually follow step 3 if not skip on to step 4. Step 3: You may click "My Computer" or "My Documents" most likely on the desktop or start menu on your computer you will go to "My Computer" and find a folder that says a brand of your memory card or camera. Step: 4 Click on the folder and look through all folders and once you find it you may highlight the folder or the selected images on your computer mouse right click and press copy (or press Ctrl+C on your keyboard) and paste the images where ever you want in your computer.

== How do i screencap from a television? ==
Like if i wanted to screencap some video games? 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 22:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If you have an XBOX 360 go out and buy a Dazzle adaptor, Video Amplification Distributor, and a few assorted cables such as an HD Cable for it. This will allow you to record videos from your game,and use a simple program like Paint or Snipping Tool to get your screenshots out of it.
-CZAR-

:You probably need some high tech gizmo. Usually people who screencap TV use DVR and record TV on DVD, then upload them on the computer. I've never done it but it may work for VGs. -GM45

::Personally, I'd recommend maybe trying an emulator to play said game on your computer (assuming your PC is fast enough to handle the software and game). I've been thinking of redoing the ''[[Goldeneye 007]]'' page for a while using Project64 (which has a screencap feature), because I can play that game at high resolution even on my laptop.
:::I recommend softwares like Fraps (only for PC games). It can take images with a click of a button and you can choose what to save it as in the Pictures section. The disadvantage is that you can't record gameplay in computer games and you must pay about $99 (not sure, but around there and you can also pay little by little per month or week to use) it to do unlimited video capturing. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Call of Duty 4 pictures==
I've got good pictures of guns for Call of Duty 4, but i don't know how to upload them, anyone knows how to email me at r1c0ch37@gmail.com

:All you have to do is go to "Upload file" under the "Toolbox" section in the left-hand column. -MT2008

==Protection Log?==
Is something wrong with the site. Why are all the pics being fixed with "([edit=sysop:move=sysop])" for a protection log? I know little about that technical stuff, is someone removing the pics or are they just being protected from over-uploading crappy pics over? -GM

:They're being protected. Some asshole came in earlier today and kept trying to replace MoviePropMaster's pics with stock 'Net images, and kept doing it even after he was asked to stop. MPM's pics are our pride 'n joy...Alienqueen and I agreed not to let them get screwed with anymore. -MT2008

Yeah, that's reason why I did it. I just wish I had my ability to block users back, and then I wouldn't have had to set up protections. I told that guy not to upload over MPM2008's images and multiple times and he didn't listen.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

==Flannigan==
on the Snatch page- I know it already says that the .50 is a 357, but also another way of finding out is that .50s fire 7 rounds where as in the film Bullet tooth tony fires 8 in every mag. so it must be a 357.

Retrieved from "http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Snatch"

==Deleting old files==
As y'all can probably tell, I have been on a huge deleting spree recently. I've been getting rid of files that weren't being used for whatever reason or another. Some of them were gun images that have since been replaced by MoviePropMaster's images, others were old screencaps that have been replaced by newer ones (like all of my old ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' shots, which have since been replaced by GunMaster's), and some were those images of weird experimental guns uploaded by Cutaway that don't appear in any movie and thus have no purpose on this site.

I realize, of course, that this by itself won't relieve the strain on the servers; it's inevitable as this site grows. But it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. If anyone of the Admins are interested in helping out, please go to "Special Pages" and click on "Unused Files" (at the top). If you see something that might be worth keeping (i.e. Choi's screencaps from ''[[The Killer]]'' which haven't been put on the page yet), leave it alone, but if you see gun images that obviously have no use or screencaps that you know have been replaced...ditch 'em.

Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Good Work, MT2008. I'm sure it'll give us more server space, I'll be sure to delete some myself. One question, if we get rid of the old files, will this site load faster?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:Beats me, but I'd have to guess...not ''noticeably'' faster. It will at least give us more space for uploading newer files. However, IMFDB is constantly growing, so it's inevitable we'll reach our limits eventually. You'd have to ask Bunni when that will be. Anyway, I'm off to the pub now. I will be back later to continue. [[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Go right ahead, you deserve a break. I'll get rid of as many as I can, I'm also seeing alot of screenshots nobody bothered to use, it makes me wonder why people upload them if they're just going to sit there for a year and gather dust. And, I'm also going to screencap [[Four Brothers]] and [[Assault on Precinct 13 (2005)]] soon, so you can look forward to seeing them completed.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Fictional Firearms==
I propose that we denote pages for 'fictional' firearms with parentheses "like Non Guns" so that they are in a different grouping than real guns. GM has made pages for the fantasy weapons of Hellboy II and that made me think about custom pages for the Morita Rifle (Starship troopers) or the M590 (Space:Above and Beyond) or the Blade Runner Pistol or any of the Star Wars guns (versus other types of Sci fi weapons, these should be guns). Even though THESE fictional guns are based on real guns, they can have their own pages with links to the original weapons page. Regardless, I think that guns that aren't real should be separated, lest they confuse users. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:I agree. I was kinda turned off when I saw the Aliens Resurrection page. None of those guns were based off of real firearms or even guns dressed up to look like futuristic guns.

::Well I get the point of making a post about fictional guns that were built around real guns like the Morita rifle and the Pulse Rifle of Aliens, but guns that were built from scratch like the Samaritian. Would it really need a page here or is that just for the fanboys who like the gun? It's like a page for the cars used in the Punisher movie or people who like to include knives, swords, and even bows & arrow in pages, including me. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:::The advantage is that the page can inform an interested user that the prop was NOT based on any real firearm, information that is just as important as informing 'what real firearm' was used in a prop weapon. What I don't like are obvious NON crafted weapons .... like [[Molotov cocktails]] ... wtf? That's an improvised weapon, like a sharp stick or a brick.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::What about bows & arrows, or crossbows? I put them in my pages cause when they are used, they an impression and deserve a mention evne though they aren't firearms. Also what about knives and swords? I've seen some of those as well, but I think the knife of Rambo should stay because...well, it's the knife of Rambo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== My gripe on Empty pages ==

I've been seeing a lot of new pages lately. The problem is that they are a blank! Nothing, not even a list of guns. What the fuck? I mean, a list of guns with no photos is ok, but just a fucking blank page? Do the people that do that expect someone else to do the work for them? They mind as well type down, "someone list the guns and put up pics for me cause I am lazy as fuck to even give a list." At least writing that down says something. Not just a blank.
:We all understand your pain Exy, we need a more efficient way to let the anonymous users know that if you make a page, you got to do the work. You gotta watch the language though, people will see it and think it is okay to do often. We all do it, but we don't want it done for no reason. Just ignore the empty pages, let them do the work eventually. If they don't, delete the pages. Half of them are movies I've never heard of anyway. Keep an eye out for [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]], I'll have them done this week. -GM
::What about that new member who create thirty or so new movie pages (some of which barely had one gun in them) and then never filled out any of those pages? I'm tempted to give people a little time, but for movies in which I question their relevance to this site, I'm also tempted to get rid of blank pages and let people create them when they're ready to populate them with information. MPM
:::Sorry for the foul launguage. I'm used to talking on forums where the F word is acceptable when you are pissed. Swears is culturally part of any language and sometimes it slips and I like to think we're all adults here that do use swears in real life when it is required. Anyway. Nice job on the [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]] pages. I've only done one movie that had ONE gun in it and it was [[The Forbidden Kingdom]] and even I did the work for it. I guess the anonymous users might also just be curious guys online and just hope we know what movie they are talking about, have it, and would take the time to tell them what guns are in it by doing the pages, but maybe on the main page, someone should put down rules of how to operate this site. I mean, I wanted to put a new qoute into the qoute section, but can't cause I don't know how to do it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

=="jacked" summaries"==
One thing that irks me is people 'cut and pasting' a plot summary completely from IMDB. This is not only against IMFDB rules, but if any mods from IMDB sees them, they can make an stink about it. I'm tempted to 'erase' any pirated summaries and put a note to the original writer ''"'''Write your own summary in your own words'''. It isn't too hard, even to re-arrange the sentences and replace some words to make it LOOK like you wrote it yourself. Just don't lift them word for word from another well known source. IMDB itself has a rule that you must write your own summaries and not lift them from other 3rd party sources. So does IMFDB.org. "'' Of course there are so many jacked firearm images here, this may be hypocritical. Which is why I'm working so hard to get IMFDB their own exclusive gun images. But it's one thing to upload an image of an impossible to get gun which no one has, versus taking the time to type a few sentences...
:I agree. I did the same thing with my [[Black Lagoon]] page when I got here, but I took it off mainly because I didn't see the need for a summary at the beginning of the page that is THAT long winded. People are here for the guns and if they want to know what the movie or show is about, they just look it up. I don't know, I stopped writing summaries for movies and shows long ago. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I think we don´t need summaries.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with those who think "we don't need no stinkin' summaries..." For those people who have NOT seen the movie a SHORT summaries are okay. I've put them on some of my pages, usually when I have something interesting to add. I do like them when someone puts a page for a movie so obscure that I have no idea what it's about (and I don't want to have to go hunting around the web to find out, capice?) I added summaries (and others did) for those REALLY OBSCURE East german B&W movies that are on the site. Who created those pages anyway? Like anyone's going to see Black and white German language communist era DDR movies .... oh well. I can always start creating pages for the cinema of 1930s Lithuania! hahahaha. But having no summary for SOME of the pages sucks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I found some summaries to stick out too much. Maybe a sentence or two to just give the jist, or a catch phrase like, but really I don't do summaries anymore. But I'll think about it for the anime ones simply cause some of them are harder to find or most people wouldn't have interests in them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Leaving your sign==
If you want people to know who you are when you write things on pages and discussion boards, put four ~ symbols after your message. Your user name and time/date are automatically shown. [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 20:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:See?

:: What he said. ;)
::: I agree wholeheartedly ...
::::Yes. Just yes. --Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Should we have templates? ==

Like in Wikipedia?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It WOULD make this site a bit more...colorful than the standard white background, but if it's too much work, then it's up to whoever really runs this place.

:In all honesty, what this site needs most of all is cross-referencing of some kind, so that if somebody enters the name of a gun in one page, it shows up on another. It's a downfall of Wikis in general, and this one in particular. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==Views==

Is there a way how I could check how many people viewed may page like on the home page the top 5 articles says how many people have viewed are page.
-[[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1994]] 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== How do i replace a image? ==

How do i replace a image?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Updating ==

Can someone please update or add pictures to these listed pages:

*3000 miles to Graceland

*Blue streak

*The Mask

*Snatch

:The Mask and Snatch are on my to-do list. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== music videos ==

should be included on the site...i want to know the guns used in protest the hero's video for blindfolds aside...if anyone knows, please share, or at least where i can find out

== main page movies ==

What exactly is the criteria for a film to be featured on the main page? I was thinking of submitting some (unless there are already enough as it is). - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Popular, critically aclaimed (but gun heavy I guess, something that wins 9 oscars but has three guns isn't a good idea), and it should have a decent amount of guns on it (like 15-20 seems about right).

== Too many screencaps!!! ==

I'm getting a bit frustrated w/the amount of screencaps we're loading up. Is there any way we can limit the number? The pages are becoming much too long & scrolling takes forever. I know Wikis are not democracies so a vote would be out of the question but can we all please stop indulging our screecap skills by putting ALL our favorite stills from these films up & just have about 2-3 images per firearm? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 20:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:At least for the front page I have to agree - the loading is taking way too long. I'm going to disable the featured page for a while and see how it goes. I can't afford to upgrade the server at the moment to handle the huge load. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 03:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Can this be done on individual pages too? Take a look at the page for Shoot 'em Up for instance, seems like everyone just had to throw their favorite frame in there. Also, the Quick & the Dead is pretty bad too... Also, would it be bad in etiquette to go into pages & start cutting out images that are repetitive or unnecessary? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 18:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Excuse the language but FUCK YOU. And if you start removing my screencaps I'll be sure to remove ''you'' from the site. (sorry about the outburst but it is very rude to blatantly bash my hard work and contributions to this site, and it pisses me off gravely) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::No one was bashing the hard work or contributions. Don't confuse legitimate criticism with a personal attack, and your response back was a personal attack and beneath you, especially the fine responses you usually write (and the fact that you're a MOD now). I hope you eventually understand that I also mean no disrespect as well. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GM's comment aside I'm all for detailed screencaps. Heck I'm going to be trying to collect a bunch for myself. Unfortunantly the interesting films I have are VHS. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:He's got a point though. I dont want to be rude, but when every single time the certain gun is shown, it doesnt really need a picture. 5 tops is ok. GM, you are very nortorious for 13-14 pictures of the same gun. i can understand showing cycling misfeeds/changes in guns, but on the Punisher page, you dont really need that many pictures of Castle shooting Spoon and Dante. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::You shouldn't have to apologize. The members who seem to LOVE tons of screencaps take it personally, like you're attacking THEM, not the decision to display endless screenshots of guns. I think when they think about it, they may realize that no one is trying to be insulting. When I screencap, I edit the pictures. Sure I might have 14 shots, but I choose the best couple and cull the rest. I don't feel compelled to force everyone to look at every since solitary screenshot, just because I took the time to do them. Just like a writer or artist, you must have the maturity to cut out what is excess, even though at the time it sucks to cut out stuff you like. Looks like some of the new (i.e. young also) members are trying to outdo the record for ridiculous screencaps. [[We Were Soldiers]] is now a page that I no longer like to look at, now that I have to scroll down for ten minutes to see the next section. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== how do i screencap ==

i have many films, games exc that i want to screencap. please can someone tell me how to?
:You need a DVD-rom drive on your computer. Play the movie on a DVD player with a screencapture function. The images will be saved to a folder. Cut off any widescreen or full screen bars and convert the image to a JPG so it can be placed here. You'll need a photo editor such as Corel Photoshop or even Paintshop. Then go to the Upload file section and upload them on the site. Copy the picture's linkage (will say something like "Image:name.jpg") then put the image in double brackets [[]] and paste the linkage. now you'd take this image and write it like this:

(double bracket)Image:name.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comment.(double bracket)

Look at some other pages to see this in use. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

You can actually screencap with any Windows computer, very easily. Just use the Print Screen button and paste it into whatever program you want; you can then crop out the interface and whatnot. You can also use Print Screen + Alt so that you only get what's inside the window instead of everything (I think PrtScn + Alt is what you want.

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

==Should this picture be on the M16 Page?==
hahahaha. The CHAMPION of customization in the history of firearms! .....
[[Image:74ea0f45a31c.gif]]

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:Oh hell yea! that looks awesome! [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Looks like that GIF took a lot of work to make... Awesome though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::That would be perfect for the M16 page, so definitely yes!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well where on the page should this be on? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:Interesting enough I don't see this thing transform into an M16A1 or A2
::M16A1 is dead and gone. the a2 series is the new and improved. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Slow it down a touch and it's perfect! And to satisfy those who are sticklers about accuracy: split the animation into "A1" and "A2" animations (one for each M16 variant).
EDIT: Isn't there a silencer for it? Counter-Strike says so...
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

How awesome is that AR-15 builder, just love doing it for the hell of it.

== Grammar/Spelling ==
-
- Hello gentlemen. First off I just want to start of by telling you guys how much I enjoy this site. Anyhow, I come visiting from IMCDb (Internet Movie Car Database). I'm an administrator over there and given my interest in weapons and the similarity between the two sites, I've taken an interest in visiting your site. However, I've noticed a problem that I wanted to bring up to your guys' attention. Often times there are grammar and spelling mistakes and I think that it is something that you guys can improve upon a bit more. I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing or I'm calling anybody stupid or anything, but it's things like that that could make the site look cleaner and more appealing. And yes, I do understand that english may not be the first language for some of the posters here. My point is that I'm just giving some friendly advice from who I'd like to think of as someone from a "sister" site. Thanks gents...keep up the great work.

:: We have tons of contributors who aren't even old enough to shave yet. Does that tell you anything? GM45 once described it as a small group of Mods/ Super users fighting against the cresting tide of the ocean, or something to that effect. :) An apt metaphor. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi, I am a fan of IMCDB myself (it was where I learned all about how M1 Abrams tanks in Hollywood are mocked-up Centurions). I do appreciate your concerns about grammar/spelling and agree with you that it needs to be addressed. However, being that (unlike IMCDB) we are a Wiki open for all to edit, it's somewhat inevitable that this will be an issue. I appreciate the fact that this is less of an issue with IMCDB due to the format of the site, and at times, I wish we could integrate elements of IMCDB into this site to standardize things a bit (I still get annoyed when I see people who call a Beretta 92F a "Berretta M92F" even though it says at the top of the page that this is not the correct spelling). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::Fellas, I greatly appreciate the response. I understand the situation with your site and we ourselves deal with some of the same issues, as far as having younger members whose grammar and knowledge isn't exactly ideal. But thanks a lot for the response. And as I said earlier, keep up the good work.

:::::Thanks. We also have foreign contributors who don't have that great of a grasp of English. We also have guys who just don't know how to spell. One of my buddies who is a combat vet, former 82nd Airborne, types like a two year old on his computer. I jokingly say that I have to create a special filter for Babelfish to decypher what he is typing! LOL. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===Our own movie===
I was thinkin'. We've got a lot of people on this site, a lot of them are very talented, we could probably make our own movie someday. I know a good script writer with an idea already mostly-formed, maybe imfdb should have a meet up and make a movie. We could probably all pool our resources and make an awesome one. Just a whimsical fantasy...-protoAuthor
:A movie based on a website? What the fuck? That won't work. I am sorry but, that just won't work.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, I mean we all pitch together and make an action movie. Not based on the website, but the website has the people and resources. As in, a community effort. -protoAuthor
:::That would be cool if only the movie we make is a cheesy action movie in the same vein as Commando, then we can do it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::hahahahaha, uh no. :) Some of us actually work in the movie industry and it's not easy to make a movie, even a crappy backyard effort one with a video camera bought from Walmart. You're right, it's a whimsical fantasy, but you need a TON of talented people who know what they are doing in ALL of the positions of a film production. Not just armorers but you need everyone, a good script, good actors, a good director, a good producer (which amazingly is really hard since the producer is supposed to be a manager, NOT someone who micro manages the work by everyone else), a good crew, skilled camera operators, good cameras, pro lighting gear and a good DP or cinematographer. Oh did I mention TONS of $$ (you could spend a fortune just feeding the crew and paying for insurance and permits - salaries not withstanding). Wait, you also need office staff, pre production staff and post production staff and facilities (digital capture, color correcting, editing, sound engineering and editing) and then where are you going to sell it? You need marketing, posters, ads, trailers, a website, the list goes on and on. No I'm not making fun of your comment. It was funny and just that, fantasizing, but I know you are just throwing this bit out there and are not serious. Because it's akin to someone saying "hey let's stage our own high orbit launch of a satellite, all we need is ....." :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm currently working on an amatuer backyard crap job now, and it is actually turning out quite well. We don't have tons of money but we can fund things like fake blood, spare t-shirts (to cover in fake blood), and blanks. As for lighting, so far everything has been working well for us. We actually have enough filmed now that I'm confident this will be a good movie. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Help with VLC ==
I need help with my VLC Media Program. When i screencap movies the program screencaps like normal, but when i upload my images to IMFDB the images stay like this:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-252103Mk2.jpg|thumb|none|512px|Charlie Sheen in [[Platoon]]. <s>The Problem here is that even when the screencap is in 1200x configuration, the screencap is still away too small.</s> Fixed!]]
:Can Anyone help me with this?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:I don't have that problem, but I'm checking out the settings to see what might cause it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

::I imagine you've got this sorted by now, but it's because you missed the letter "p." It's "px" as in "pixel," not "x" as in "times." And that still won't make it larger than the image itself is. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Discussions on Articles==

I love this site, I have wasted many hours just browsing the wonderful collection of articles. My only qualm is some users feel that the article pages are also discussion pages to argue the validity of someone's addition. There is nothing that irks me more that when i am reading about a movie and then it becomes some kind of forum. I think this should be regulated to make the site more professional.

:We try to regulate it and throw those discussions on the discussion pages of articles but there are still some users that discuss on the articles.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, that has been a thorn in my side too. Nothing worse than to go to the trouble of creating a thorough, tidy-looking article only for people to clutter it up with chatter and arguements that should be saved for the article's talk page. that 'discussion' tab is up there for a reason, people! [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I couldn't agree more, it turns me off when I'm going through a neat looking page, and then come across a bunch of comments and arguments. If we could just get into the habit of using the talk page for these arguments, then we'll be more obligated to use them more often.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== This video ==

Have any of you lazy sons-of-bitches seen this video:
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg]

It's fucking awesome let me tell you. And no, i'm not spamming links just watch the video. It's about us!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:That's been out for a while now; take a look at some of those old gun pics on there, like the long since replaced M16A1/M203 with the 20-round mag. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I know but i never seen it. It's really funny.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately some our members are a bit too thin skinned. This guy wasn't being insulting. He was intentionally obnoxious trying to be a 'showman'. Some guys "telling him to fuck off" in the comments makes us look a bit immature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== How? ==
how do i create my own page to say what my favourite weapons and movies are and what contributions i have made? please can someone tell me.
:You have to register first and, contribute to this site. Bye!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
i'd hate to sound like an idiot but i've just done that (register and contribute) now what do i do?
:On the upper right corner of your screen there is an panel with thing about your username. Press the one with your name on it and write on it. Also, when editing, there will be an link with "Editing Help". Click it and read it. Now you know how to edit. Yay! Also, put four ~ after any of your messages. That way, you will sign you messages and people will know who you are.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Movie Article Request "Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow" ==

There are many guns, but I request this mostly for a big mistake in it. When Sky Captain is running on a log with a Colt 1911 (silver) in hand and drops it, the computer rendering shows a revolver of some sort. It is probably the same as the one in the scene where Sky Captain is at his desk and the reporter comes in, and he stops her at gunpoint.

Sorry if I was vague, but my memory's a little fuzzy.
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:I actually own that film and I ''could'' screencap it ,but I effing hate that movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

:Is it really that bad? It looked like it sucked, but I wasn't sure-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

::It's just really corny. It tries to capture the feel of movies made in the 20's or whenever the hell the movie's suppose to take place, but it is just super, super, super, corny. If it was intentionally corny, it would be funny. But it's not and that's what makes it bad. The only redeeming part is that Angelina Jolie is in it. Unfortunately, she's always in a uniform and has a patch over one eye, so it's not really worth it in the end. The dues ex Machina near the end doesn't help, or the fact that the female lead is the type of person that would push a button for no other reason then it says "DO NOT PUSH". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== How do I ==

get pictures on a page? not screencaps but an actor holding a gun in a movie?

== Fixed Width 1000px ==

I'm working on making the front page a fixed width design... let me play with the ads and featured articles for a couple days. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 22:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:Created a new template for featured articles, you can play with it at [[Template:FeaturedArticle]]. I've currently only added 3:10 to Yuma and Live Free or Die Hard - feel free to add more. [[User:Bunni|bunni]]

==Random screencap==
Is there any chance of bringing this feature back? I liked looking at the different screenshots. [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 11 Oct 2009
::Do you prefer having the site crash more often than not, for this little inconvenience?

== I need help with a Link problem ==

I started a State of Grace page, which shows up when entered in the search box, but when I went to add the info from the movie to the actors pages the link back to State of Grace is said to be deleted. Like when I went to the Sean Penn page and entered what pistol he used and entered State of Grace, when I click on State of Grace it brings to a page that says:

'''Warning: You are recreating a page that was previously deleted.'''

You should consider whether it is appropriate to continue editing this page. The deletion log for this page is provided here for convenience:
• 18:32, 15 April 2009 Gunmaster45 (Talk | contribs) deleted ''"State of Grace" ‎ (content before blanking was: 'This excellent movie starred Sean Penn, Ed Harris, and Gary Oldman. Penn, an undercover cop infiltrating the Irish mob in NYC carried a Smith 6906 in .9mm with a Ruger SP101 backup gun. Gary Oldman, a thug, carried ...')''

Does this mean I need to copy and paste all the work I did into that deleted page? Searching for the movie from the search box will bring you to the page I created from scratch, but the link from the actors pages brings you to that notice of an old deleted page. Can anyone help? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 03:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

There was a small difference in titles between the link and the page you created. The link was State of Grace and the title of your page was State Of Grace, so that's why it didn't link. I made a redirect on the previously deleted page so it should work now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Movies Page ==

I don't know if anyone has noticed but in the movies page King Kong (1933) is listed under B and there's no entry for it under K. Reason I'm saying this is because I guess only admins can edit category pages? because nothing pops up when I click edit.-[[User:Shooter2|Shooter2]]

::I fixed it. Someone put B&W in the same Category line as "movie". YOu put the categories in separate lines. WHen you put B&W in the same line, it thinks that you want the movie categorized in the "B" category [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

== Do a page on Pavement ==

Can someone please do a page on a movie called Pavement that stars Robert Patrick and Lauren Holly filmed in 2002. I was interested the weapons SWAT used and was pretty sure at one point even though she hadn't fired her weapon while clearing a house the top slide of her sidearm was locked back. I'd do it myself but I don't know where to find this movie as I saw it on TV one night and haven't done it before so wouldn't know how to make a page. Cheers
:Pavement was filmed in South Africa, even though the story is set in San Francisco. Funny how San Francisco, suddenly looks like the scenes from District 9? Lauren Holly used a Vektor CP1 pistol, and yes, she pops out and her slide is open, but it looks like she fired and the editor removed the sequence of her firing, wanting instead for the crazy dude to force her to withdraw by firing his shotgun first. It was an editorial decision that screwed up what was already filmed. The SWAT team used South African R4s, Vektor CR21s, some dummy SIG 550s and one M16A1(probably a replica). The weapons are what one expects from a South African production. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Actor's Pages ==

I see that a lot of the actor pages are being converted to the "table" format, but I don't know if it's clear what should be in the first category. Should the guns be placed first before what movie the actor used them in? I would prefer it this way, because it's easier to read that way. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::You're right in pointing this out. I see NEW MEMBERS are changing the order in the tables on the ACTOR pages. Traditionally it's been WEAPON, then CHARACTER, then MOVIE TITLE, then notes. That format was chosen because it flows like a 'sentence'. I.e. John Doe has used the following ...... a [[Beretta 92FS]] as Krusty A. Clown in ''Attack of the Killer Cartoons'' (note), (year). WE should formalize a format and then institute it in the rules. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Request ==

can someone do Wrongfully Accused with Leslie Nielsen. the reason I ask is because there is a strange LMG version of an M134 in it, and i would like to know what the hell it is, and if it is real.

== A question ==

So, this wiki has articles about video games, anime and animated films which are either 3d representations or drawings of guns. So why are stop-motion films, and other animation of this kind not allowed here? Why are they an exception?
::That answer is in the rules. The representations of guns are crude and not appropriate to waste IMFDB resources on. We haven't even covered the majority of our CORE genres (Films, Television shows, Anime & VG). And many of our pages are very incomplete or lame. So we tend to discourage new members from trying to introduce even MORE genres for us to cover. That and in those genres the guns are too crude to be listed as anything in particular. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Question: Live fire in movies ==

Hi, first of all, please excuse my English, I am not a native speaker. Secondly, please excuse I aks my question here although I know it is not the proper place for this, but I found no forum in this wiki. So here is my question:

When filming the German movie ''Spione'' (''Spys'', but there never was an English version) in 1928, there was live gun firing because they could not simulate it with special effects (1928), and the gun in the scene in question was fired in the direction of one of the actors. Strangely enough this caused a furor only because filming the scene was repeated several times by the director, who was was the lover of the actress in the scene, but it seems there was no talking about the live firing of a gun in a movie ''per se'' at all. So was using live fire in movies normal in a time they could not use special effects? Are there more films in which they used live fire instead of special effects? Thanks, Gustav

==[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imfdb IMFBD Wikipeda Page]==
It's been put up for speedy deletion. Could better writers than me go explain why it shouldn't? -[[User:JonathanDP|JonathanDP]] 18:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not sure I could myself. I mean, a Wikipedia article about another Wiki? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Too late, it's already gone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Dude, there're many wikipedia articles on other wikis. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis Don't believe me?]--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 23:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I was actually the one who wrote that article (Rockmandrum on Wikipedia). I wrote that article because there are also different databases such as the IMCFD (Internet Adult Film Database) and I thought IMFDB should go there as it's a database, but my article got tagged for the lack of sources though there are some sources out there. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Quotes question...==

I dunno who is in charge of the featured quotes section, but I'd like to know. Can we, the registered users, propose new ideas of featured quotes? 'Cause I got a few, and I'm sure other guys have 'em too. [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:45 March 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Quote suggestions ==

You might want to make your suggestions in the discussion section of the [[Template:Quote]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

==Page that can't be edited==

Seems that the [[Ga-rei: Zero]] page can't be edited. There a problem with this or should it be just deleted instead to start all over? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

==Just Cause 2==
Hey guys. I know the first Just Cause had no realistic weapons, but that changes with JC2. So far even from the demo I've made out a Desert Eagle, M4-type rifle, MP5/UMP cross, and an M136 AT4. If anyone could screencap the game, I'd gladly do descriptions and the rest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

==Hi there==
New member here. Just wanted to drop a line. awesome site! Some pics I recognize off the net. Just a question. where do you get the great gun pictures from? I used to use Security arms and Guns of the world for reference but you guys have some of the best pics I've seen, including some that I have never seen anywhere else. If you license from some stock photo site, please let me know. I would be interested in getting access to their image library! :) Kyle

-For the most part pictures that are used are from MoviePropMaster2008, he is IMFDB's armorer, he has a lot of the pics of weapons on white backgrounds that you see. Many from movies they helped with. However, he doesn't have all of them. Just check for the picture you are looking before uploading any of your own. --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 16:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Director's Pages ==

If I've seen a page on the site like Hurt Locker or Face/Off or even Heat, I might like to know what other films the director has done, so I think the pages are helpful in that respect. Judging by the amount of pages we have for actors who have maybe used or carried a gun once, compared to how many directors pages we have, I don't think you're saving that much on space. Also, if you're looking to make this site a really good reference site, omitting these pages just doesn't make sense. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

- Well, next thing you know, we'll include pages/categories for Producers, Production designers, etc. There's only so much this place needs to put on here. There's already an 'Internet Movie DataBase' that has all that other stuff. Like MPM said on another page - Putting a bunch of emphasis on what directors/actors/etc did what takes away from the primary focus of the site, which is to display and discuss the firearms and info directly relating to them. The actors are only here because they're the ones actually seen in movies handling the firearms, but anything other than that I feel would just be too much. If you want to find out about Directors and the like, again, there's IMDB as well as other sites on the internet for that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Franchise pages ==

Like director pages, can we make pages for particular game franchises, like all of the Call of Duty games or all the Medal of Honor games? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

- You mean like list pages, like we have for movie franchises, film genres and such? If so, that would be fine, would make reference/look-up of a particular title in a series easier. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:No, unless the franchises have tons of titles that are completely different. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out all of the games titled "Call of Duty" or Medal of Honor" belong to a certain series of games. And I have not seen a surge of titles that OMIT the franchise identifiers like a new title that is officially a part of the Call of Duty series that doesn't have 'Call of Duty' in the title. Unless that happens, the franchise identifiers are NOT NECESSARY and add to the overall clutter that IMFDB is trying to avoid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I was just talking about the really big franchises, and I guess it'd only apply to the CoD and MoH series. There are a DOZEN games in each series, several of which I've never even heard of. Users here are obviously fans, given how detailed the pages are and the length of the discussion pages. Maybe a chronological listing? Or a glorified disambiguation page? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There should be a ''see also'' addition to the pages, however, a glorified disambiguation page is not a bad idea. But the pages STILL need a 'see also' section at the bottom of the page that is complete. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. [[Heat]] , [[Ronin]] , [[McQ]], [[Public Enemies]] , [[Reign of Fire]] and so forth. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. Just wanted to get that out there so nobody sends me hate mail. I'm not messing with anybody's hard work. Just helping to organize. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

- I took a gander at those pages, I actually like the grouped-together firearms, again, makes reference on the contents of a page easier. Especially if a page has a lot of guns that can be grouped under said categories like those pages.

Although some people like doing the pages by chronological appearance of the firearms (T2, as well as my own page, [[Nothing But Trouble]], for instance) but those pages either don't have a lot of guns or are very diverse.

But in pages where there are a lot of guns that can be grouped under some general types (Pistols, SMGs, Shotguns, Assault Rifles, etc) I think it helps. I've certainly seen some pages re-organized as such and it helped. I won't say it's the thing to do for ALL pages, but many would benefit from it. Just my thoughts. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm doing it to the pages that I created and a few pages with many many firearms like [[Heat]]. But I want to do it slowly. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Made for TV movies ==

What's the ruling on made for TV movies? I've seen them go either ways on this site. Dirty Dozen: the Next Mission is listed as a movie, while Lost Battalion is listed as TV, despite both being made for TV movies. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''What are you talking about? The Lost Battalion is not listed that way'''. For the record, made for TV Movies (or as called in Hollywood MOW for "Movie of the Week" as the major networks used to do, are listed as movies. They are not episodic series or Mini-series. If the entire thing is shown in a single showing then it's a movie. These made for TV movies are sometimes theatrically released overseas, and many of them are released on video/DVD as movies. Anyway that's the rule and I still don't see any violation of that rule. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I was referring to the weapons pages that link to it. For example, the M1917 pistol and rifle pages both have Lost Battalion under Television, while the M1911 and Chauchat entries have it under Film. And others not at all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well that's an error on those gun pages. If you see errors like that, which I am sure there are plenty of on IMFDB, please fix them when you see them. There is a LOT of breaks in cross indexing. I've long berated members for creating pages and NOT cross indexing them to actors and gun pages. And with new members creating new pages every other hour or so, the problem is just going to get bigger. All IMFDB members should try to fix cross indexing errors when they see them. Heck, there are pages I've made that I forgot to cross index some of the weapons entries on. But we must be vigilant and try to keep IMFDB accurate and up to date as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Last Hunt ==

Hi it's been a while since I've seen this but I remember Robert Taylor using a massive Winchester rifle. I was wondering if this was a Model 1886 since he was hunting buffalo with it and it used a .45-90 bullet.

I've seen a Model '86 Winchester rifle in the Monte Walsh remake and in a recent episode of Pawn Stars and they didn't really look as big as Robert Taylor's. I was just wondering if anyone knew if it was an '86 or maybe something else.

==Gun-releated quotes on actor/actress page==
I thought of an idea while looking at the quotes section: how about some quotes said by an actor/actress can go on their page? For example, Al Pacino's quote, "Say hello to my little friend," from [[Scarface]] can also go on his page, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen Used movie firearms ==

I have recently been searching the website for weapons which were pictures of actual movie firearms, example being weapons in Quentin Tarantino films.
if anyone could list some films for me that would be great. These are some of the ones i have already found:

*[[Scarface]]
*[[Pulp Fiction]]
*[[Reservoir Dogs]]
*[[True Romance]]
*[[Jackie Brown]]
*[[Lethal Weapon]] series
*[[Die Hard]] series
*[[Predator]]
*[[The Untouchables]]
*[[Austin Powers in Goldmember]]
*[[The Spirit]]
*[[Lord of War]]
*[[Beverly Hills Cop]]
*[[We Were Soldiers]]
*[[Tightrope]]
*[[The Enforcer]]
*[[The Dead Pool]]
*[[Dirty Harry]] - no S&W 29 unfortunately
*[[The Quick and the Dead]]
*[[Man on Fire]]
*[[Miami Vice - Season 3]]
*[[The Getaway (1972)]]
*[[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]]
*[[The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean]]
*[[Machete]]
*[[Fair Game]]
*[[Ghosts of Mars]]
*[[Wild Wild West]]
*[[S.W.A.T. (2003)]]
*[[Collateral]]
*[[Hidalgo]]
*[[Appaloosa]]
That's all I could think of, for now, also many have the pics on the site may not say they were used in a certain film, but a lot of them are movie guns.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:::(a) Thank you. :) You're actually just chronicling my work for the site. 90% of the screen used photos I shot exclusively for IMFDB and I kinda wondered myself just how many titles I've covered. (b) it's sad but true that many OTHER gun pics are of guns that I'm certain have appeared in stuff, but unless record have been checked and verified, it can't be said with any sort of certainty. So we have TONS more movie used weapons than not in photographs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

:We also have several guns from ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. At some point, I think we need to make a page with all of the screen-used movie guns that MoviePropmaster has photographed for us. And then I also need to make a page with the gun pictures that my contact at ISS sent me. There are a lot of them on this site. Of course, there are also some that we've taken from other sites (like YourProps and PropStore), but I'd probably just put the gun pictures that are IMFDB exclusives. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
::That seems like a good idea MT.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Book of Eli, The]] has that kind of stuff on its page and [[The Unit]] as well, if you want to be hardcore about it. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== Missing firearm (The Peacemaker) ==
Just got done watching this movie & there is a scene between the Russian General & one of the bad guys in the back of the truck (about 1 hour 15 minutes in) & I'm sure the gun that the General threatens him with is a Steyr GB pistol, he also uses it to shoot at the approaching helicopters, could someone else confirm this & update the page?

== Empty firearm ==
In some films you see that when a gun is fired, the chamber clicks empty but the slide doesn't lock back and I was just curious as to how they manage to do that?
:If it's showcased in a film, then it was intentional. Many directors who are unfamiliar with guns will use that action to indicate that a gun is empty.
:'''''Scene:''' Bad guy points pistol at face of good guy. It is a Beretta 92FS. He pulls the trigger dramatically. "click" nothing happens. Bad guy has panicked look on his face. "Click" "Click"! as he continues to pull the trigger. "Aha!" yells the hero as he swats away the empty gun and punches the bad guy in the face.'' DOH!
:It's done via editing. I seriously doubt most directors would end a gunfight with the phenomenon of a dud round (though dud rounds have appeared in the storylines of some shows). Or a bad primer. Or a worn or damaged magazine which does not engaged the slide lock. Or a worn or damaged slide. But seriously, anyone who fires a gun can pretty much tell when it's empty and devoid of rounds, unless it's not their gun and they're completely unfamiliar with it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Bad magazines...its not the desired option on semi-autos.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== glock variants ==
i just wondered, is a Glock 19 the same as a Glock 23 with the exeption of the caliber?

Yes

==Main Page error==
Has anyone ever gotten this error before? This happened to me many times. During this error, I cannot go to any pages unless there are links on a page and I'm logged out and I can't log in. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Mainpageerror.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

: I have had this happen to me, too. I am running up to date Firefox. It´s a rather odd error, really. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've encountered it as well. I usually run IE as my browser, and it sometimes carries on when I go through Google Chrome too. Tends to be accompanied with a fair amount of lag as well when it occurs. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:I've never had this error before, but I only update or run programs if I have to. It's running on bare bones only. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 20:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

- I had this error as well Friday evening (running FireFox), but as we had a badass lightning storm that probably played havoc with the signal, that ain't too surprising (Lag/connection issue, like Orca alluded to). But I can't speak for you other guys, though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Page Format Change? ==

I recently noticed that the page justification seems to be locked down, making actor pages with the table format seem particularly squashed if there's a lot of information. Is there a reason for this? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's an example:
[[Image:Actor Page Format.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Before, the page would stretch down to fill out the entire screen, but now it seems to stop in the middle.

:- I also have that same issue, though my screen hasn't lost that much, in which case I'd say it's locked at a particular resolution (1024 I'd have to figure, based upon my own display res). Not to mention it's also present here on this talk page and other pages as well. I too wonder what that's all about. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 13:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Might be for the upcoming ad test on IMFDB. will have to wait and see. If that is the case the we will have to change the layout on the pages to something more standard.--[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 16:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
==best guns for an assassin==
what would be the best guns for an assassin????
:That would depend on the situation he's in. Is the the assassin shooting from a distance? Sniper rifle then. In a place where there are other people around that could hear a gunshot. Suppressed small caliber handgun. You should also remember there is a million and one ways to kill someone. A gun is just one of tools to use.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Choice guns for an assassin:

-H&K USP
-H&K Mk. 23
-Any Glock models
-Agent 47's AMT Hardballers
-Walther P99
-Walther PP or PPK
-FN FNP-45 or FNP-49
-FN Five-Seven
-Colt M1911
-Para-Ordinance P14-45 or P18.9
-Kimber Warrior
-Colt M1911 or Variants
-Beretta 92, 81, or 84
-Browning Hi-Powered
-Ruger Mk. II (Best Bet)
-Browning BDA
-Luger Or High-Standard if your old-school
-Makarov
-SIG P220, P226, P228, P229
-Steyr M9 or GB
-These are some of my personal choices, feel free to comment.
I understand that, but I was looking for something more precise, like in "Assassins" they make a big deal about using those Ruger .22, but in "Collateral" the hitman uses a H&K .45 (well, he also use a Ruger .22), in "The Replacement Killer" the killer is into Berettas 92f, but what would be the perfect gun for a profesional, smart and effective assassin??????

It's hard to say if their is a "perfect" assassin's weapon because people will always have opinions, but the Ruger Mk. 2 is definitely a Top 5, look up a video of a supressed Mk. 2 and you'll see what I mean. I would have to say that either a .380 or .32 pistol for stealth but .45 or 9mm for power. [[Czar]]

:In films like you mention, it's going to depend on what the writer or director chose to use. (Whether it was the ideal choice is another matter.) In Collateral he uses the H&K for the most part because noise isn't an issue and the .45 is a good round. He uses Ruger .22 only when in a restaurant. In the nightclub there's lots of people around, but he could get out with the crowd. The target also had several bodyguards. In the Replacement Killers the 92F was most likely chosen because Chow Yun-Fat used them in his prior films and knew how to handle them. There is no one gun that is the "perfect gun for a professional, smart and effective assassin." Since you're talking handgun distances there's too many good guns to choose from. Go with whatever you feel like in your story (I guess and hope that's the reason why you asked). If I had to choose I'd go with the 1911. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Agent 47 all the way, AMT Hardballers with optional longslide and supressor. More seriously, I guess a pistol like a Hi-Power or a Beretta 92 with a supressor would be good for closer range killings. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank ypu guys, Predator, I'm a scriptwritter, I don't own a gun and I don't want to kill anyone, so don't worry. I just like good assassins in movies, what about a H6K p7m8?????, It's such a compact gun for a 9mm, I always thought it was kind like a tactic gun, isn't it????? why Swat teams are into Kimbers?????
:Do you not speak English or are you just a kid? You grammar is terrible and with some many question marks at the end of your sentence, you must be a 12 year old or someone under 15. Also, it's very simple why SWAT like Kimbers, they like 1911s in general for its reliability. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, English is not my first language, so I'm sorry that my grammar is so terrible, but I'm glad that the people here know what I mean, and BTW I'm 30 years old, not 12 or 15....

You can't errase the serial number of a Glock, so that make it a bad choice for an assasin, what do you people think????

== Listverse.com ==
Here's a cool little list I found on The List Universe.com about the 10 greatest firearms in history.

http://listverse.com/2009/10/07/top-10-greatest-firearms-in-history/

not such a good list IMO. Where is the Sturmgewher 44? Basically started the assault rifle revolution? The Winchester M1873 (they didn't call it the gun that won the west for nothing) sure the Henry was first, but the Winchester set the standard. [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 06:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

well, they can only fit ten in. [[User:jackbel]]

heres another one I found on that site: 10 greatest firearm designers.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 02:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

http://listverse.com/2010/05/23/top-10-greatest-firearms-designers/

== This is ridiculous...==
anybody else think that the amount of pages slated for deletion is absolutely absurd and unneccesary?

We're cleaning out the pages that are either not good enough or not supposed to be on the wiki. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I am only restoring some of the pages that look like there was some work put into them. These can still be deleted, but I just want make sure that's what the consensus is. This is probably going to be discussed in the forum. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

: I made a note about the 'Documentary' matter in the discussion for the [[Mail Call]] page earlier. In any case, I'm sure the admins will let us know what will happen about all that in due course. Other than that, almost all the other pages slated for deletion are piss-poor pages that should indeed be in the Delete category. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Reviewguy/girl ==
So, did the search pay off? Do we have our own movie reviewer? What's the deal anyways? Just curious :)--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:- I almost forgot about that.. Well, indeed, what of it? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Are we gonna get a section for film reviews? If so, are the reviews gonna be the "normal" kind (what we see in the papers, tv, etc.) or are the reviews gonna emphasize gun use/usage in films?

== A Question ==
How do I submit a quote from a movie so it will appear on the Featured quotes section? [[User:jackbel]]

: Go [[Template:Quote|here]] and simply edit it in according to the template. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

well, how do you submit screencaps to the featured movies section? [[User:jackbel]]

: [[Template:FeaturedArticle|Click]]. Add it according to the template. If you are unsure of how it will look, try it out on the discussion page first. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Most Popular Gun? ==

I can't believe this hasn't been asked. So, Lets hear your views.

:- The top most viewed gun page on the site is the [[M1911 pistol series]] ‎(526,596 views), followed by the [[M16 rifle series]] ‎(420,778 views). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I actually meant popular by appearances. I've found out though [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:MostImages here] that it's the Beretta 92FS. Strange how the Annihilator 2000 is 2nd though?!

:That's because it is the icon that appears in the banner at the top of a page that is incomplete.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 11:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

:: Indeed, by the 'Linked most' attribute, the Annihilator image stat is misleading - Exclude the pages with the Incomplete template and it is certainly NOT the second most used gun image. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== An urgent notice ==

If you see something that is wrong, PLEASE don't just say so, CHANGE it yourself.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Uh, I'm afraid that statement is a bit ambiguous and potentially misleading. We all have our own opinion on what we see is 'wrong' on a page, and based on my own personal experience, you ''don't'' make changes based solely on that. I believe what Jackbel means is that if you see something that you are ''certain'' is wrong/incorrect on a page, especially spoilers, spelling/format errors, obviously false information, or anything of that particular sort, then it's probably ok to change that. ''Otherwise'', it is probably better to make a note in the proper discussion page about it, especially if you're not absolutely certain, as the RS&P states. Not to barge in, but I just think that needed a bit of flushing out. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, no need to get so hasty --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 20:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I really wasn't trying to snob you man, but from what I gather, it's usually better for users to make notes and ask first about any serious or notable edits as many of the other members/admins find that less annoying than reverting bad edits - A note about that is in the RS&P. Again, not trying to snob you dude, Honest! :) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Facebook ==

We should totally have like a "recommend" or "like" buttons on the database... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Do firearms work in space? ==

Stupid hypothetical question, but was watching the most recent episodes of [[Stargate Universe]] and one character was carrying a [[Heckler & Koch UMP]] in a hard vacuum, zero gravity situation. This got me wondering, would unmodified firearms reliably operate in space? I can imagine recoil and blowback operated weapons working ok, but am not so sure about any gun that uses gas operation. Also, would the coldness of space cause problems for the rounds to go off, and if they did would the gun components fracture at this low a temperature (About -270 degrees Celsius for arguments sake). And then even if the gun did fire there would be the problem that it would then very quickly overheat, as there would be no air to cool it, not to mention the fact that any lubricants would either be frozen, or instantly vaporise in the vacuum. I know that there were experiments by the Russians putting a Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 (or NR-30) cannon into space and shooting down target satellites, but has there ever been any experimentation with regular small arms? [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 16:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

definitely not, for the same reason that there can't be any explosions in space, because fire needs oxygen and theres none of that in space.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:Not true actually, all gunpowders and the majority of explosives do not require external oxygen to detonate, as they have an oxidant as part of the composition. How do you think a torpedo explodes? Or how a rocket can work in space? [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Firefly the series does a good job addressing that issue. i believe it was "Our Mrs. Reynolds".--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:I remember that episodes, and Jayne said Vera (his gun) needed air around her to fire, so I believe that this line was purely based on the misconception that bullets need oxygen to detonate. Or it could be that Vera is not a conventional weapon as we know it. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== The African Queen ==

Can someone do a page for [[The African Queen]] (1951)? I tried, but my DVD screwed up and I'd really like to see that film on this site. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Not allowing PNG's ==

Someone noted that if we're discouraging uploading of PNG files, then it should be removed as an acceptable format on the upload page. This has been asked in the forum, but is there a way to do that? Is there a way to just restrict the uploading of files to just JPG's only? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Another question ==

Would whoever is putting screen used guns on their main page please stop? Screen used gun pictures belong in their discussion pages under "Additional Varients". --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 04:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== Satchel charges ==

We've all seen these in movies or video games, or even on Mail Call with R. Lee Eremy. Designs and explosives charges vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, with field versions being cobbled together from whatever's on hand. But as far as the satchel charges built for use by the American military concerned, is there any information available on how they were made? Was there an official type of carrying bag that received a military designation and was ordered up under a governmental work contract? [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

== Colt Ad ==

haha, look at this ad for Colt from 1933 --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 22:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

:Works for me. Those prices really work for me. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

::I see someone else reads Cracked.com.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Colt ad.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::You sure this AD is from 1933? 84 dollars for that Colt Woodsman translates into $1,390.00 in 2010 dollars. That Colt Officer's Model in .22 LR is priced $79.00 which is $1,310.00 now. Actually dollar for dollar, they are more EXPENSIVE relative to what people earned than today's prices. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I did a search in google, and I ran across two sources that say the ad is from 1939. If you run it through the inflation calculator though, the prices are still a bit high. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Tomorrow When the War Began ==

Hi, if possible could someone do an article on the Australian film Tomorrow When the War Began, it's pretty much the Australian version of Red Dawn but I'm not too familiar with the weapons or how to even create a page to do it myself, cheers.

==Ban a Wangchao today?==
So how many Wangchaos do we have to ban? Some spammer is up to Wangchao58. He's like Doctor Who. He doesn't die. He just comes back as yet another incarnation. You know you haven't lived unless you've banned a user named "Wangchao_ _ "[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:i dont get to ban people. :( lol -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

==Ads now?==
Stupid question time: are the ads supposed to be here? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 00:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

: http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1232&page=4 --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC).

==So, two questions==

First of all, how do you upload pictures to this site, for those of us who are wiki-impaired. Secondly, I'm trying to start a page up for The Cape, that new TV series, and I wanted to know if anyone would be willing to help me, as it'll be my first page. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T02:04:41Z

Acora:

Okay, I just watched the pilot. The main character holstered a Glock (Most likely a 17) at the beginning of the episode, and the Ark forces seem to be using FN F2000's and Berettas. The first two episodes are up on Hulu, and I would take screenshots myself, but I'm not good with that kind of thing. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:Also, the 'Carnival of Crime' members. The dwarf, Rallo, is carrying what looks, to me, to be an Ithaca, but I'm not great at identifying shotguns. It has a pistol grip and is pump action, that's all I know. The woman has a silver 1911 with black grips, and one of the guys has a Kalashnikov varient, with the slanted compensator on the front of the barrel (That makes it an AKM, right?). I've noticed two other male members, one (The one in the Red Shirt) who I believe was carrying a SIG, while the other had what looked like a compact Glock, most likely a 19, and a full sized Uzi. I'll update here with anything else I see, and might work on the actual page if I have time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay, I can't believe I missed this, but Chess is seen with what I think was an MP7 in the intro credits and later on in the episode. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Also, the character 'Scales' seems to be carrying a 1911 variant with some sort of extended barrel. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T02:04:00Z

Acora:

Okay, I just watched the pilot. The main character holstered a Glock (Most likely a 17) at the beginning of the episode, and the Ark forces seem to be using FN F2000's. The first two episodes are up on Hulu, and I would take screenshots myself, but I'm not good with that kind of thing. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:Also, the 'Carnival of Crime' members. The dwarf, Rallo, is carrying what looks, to me, to be an Ithaca, but I'm not great at identifying shotguns. It has a pistol grip and is pump action, that's all I know. The woman has a silver 1911 with black grips, and one of the guys has a Kalashnikov varient, with the slanted compensator on the front of the barrel (That makes it an AKM, right?). I've noticed two other male members, one (The one in the Red Shirt) who I believe was carrying a SIG, while the other had what looked like a compact Glock, most likely a 19, and a full sized Uzi. I'll update here with anything else I see, and might work on the actual page if I have time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay, I can't believe I missed this, but Chess is seen with what I think was an MP7 in the intro credits and later on in the episode. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Also, the character 'Scales' seems to be carrying a 1911 variant with some sort of extended barrel. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T01:51:16Z

Acora:

Okay, I just watched the pilot. The main character holstered a Glock (Most likely a 17) at the beginning of the episode, and the Ark forces seem to be using FN F2000's. The first two episodes are up on Hulu, and I would take screenshots myself, but I'm not good with that kind of thing. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:Also, the 'Carnival of Crime' members. The dwarf, Rallo, is carrying what looks, to me, to be an Ithaca, but I'm not great at identifying shotguns. It has a pistol grip and is pump action, that's all I know. The woman has a silver 1911 with black grips, and one of the guys has a Kalashnikov varient, with the slanted compensator on the front of the barrel (That makes it an AKM, right?). I've noticed two other male members, one (The one in the Red Shirt) who I believe was carrying a SIG, while the other had what looked like a compact Glock, most likely a 19, and a full sized Uzi. I'll update here with anything else I see, and might work on the actual page if I have time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay, I can't believe I missed this, but Chess is seen with what I think was an MP7 in the intro credits. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Also, the character 'Scales' seems to be carrying a 1911 variant with some sort of extended barrel. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T01:13:01Z

Acora:

Okay, I just watched the pilot. The main character holstered a Glock (Most likely a 17) at the beginning of the episode, and the Ark forces seem to be using FN F2000's. The first two episodes are up on Hulu, and I would take screenshots myself, but I'm not good with that kind of thing. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:Also, the 'Carnival of Crime' members. The dwarf, Rallo, is carrying what looks, to me, to be an Ithaca, but I'm not great at identifying shotguns. It has a pistol grip and is pump action, that's all I know. The woman has a silver 1911 with black grips, and one of the guys has a Kalashnikov varient, with the slanted compensator on the front of the barrel (That makes it an AKM, right?). I've noticed two other male members, one (The one in the Red Shirt) who I believe was carrying a SIG, while the other had what looked like a compact Glock, most likely a 19, and a full sized Uzi. I'll update here with anything else I see, and might work on the actual page if I have time. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay, I can't believe I missed this, but Chess is seen with what I think was an MP7 in the intro credits. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T00:42:40Z

Acora:

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T00:40:34Z

Acora:

Talk:The Cape

2011-01-11T00:32:37Z

Acora: New page: Okay, I just watched the pilot. The main character holstered a Glock (Most likely a 17) at the beginning of the episode, and the Ark forces seem to be using FN F2000's. The first two episo...

Call of Duty: Black Ops

2011-01-05T07:10:55Z

Acora: /* Rottweil Olympia Skeet Shotgun */ Removed the 'Courtesy of' part, as it was irrelevant.

'''The following weapons are seen in the video game ''Call of Duty: Black Ops'':'''

'''See the Discussion page for Wonder Weapons and knife information.'''

[[Image:Cover_BLACKOPS_final.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Call of Duty: Black Ops'' (2010)]]
__TOC__ 

= Pistols =

== M1911A1 ==
Two [[M1911A1]]s can be seen in the hands of Black Ops' signature soldier. The [[M1911A1]]s have tally marks engraved on them, and one of them has the name 'Sally' engraved on it. It can be dual wielded, and available attachments are suppressor, extended magazine and upgraded iron sights. It is also the starting weapon of the player/s in zombie mode. There are three types of the [[M1911A1]]: In single player, it's has a standard parkerized finish, in multiplayer it's bright nickel, and in zombie mode it's a Blued finish.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Standard Colt [[M1911A1]] as seen is singleplayer - .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:NickelPlatedM1911A1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Nickel Plated [[M1911A1]] as seen in multiplayer - .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Blued [[M1911A1]] with Pachymar grips as seen in zombie mode - .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:Shot0158.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Original [[M1911A1]] as used in singleplayer mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0201.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Same Original [[M1911A1]] only with a silencer as used in singleplayer mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0000019.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Nickel finish [[M1911A1]] as used in multiplayer mode.]]

[[Image:Shot004501.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Blued finish [[M1911A1]] as used in zombie mode.]]

== Colt Python ==
The [[Colt Python]] appears in-game under name "Python". Player can use it to clean Vietcong´s tunnels in the campaign mission "Victor Charlie". It has a snub-nose variant for use in multiplayer, which can be purchased, and decreases the amount of visual kick in exchange for less damage. Other available attachments are speed-loaders for your reserve ammo and a Colt Sporter Scope.

[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] - .357 Magnum.]]

[[Image:Coltpython25.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Python]] Snub Nose - .357 Magnum w/ 2.5" barrel.]]

[[Image:CODBO-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Snub-nose variant in reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot0232.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The VC Bookie hands a snub-nosed [[Colt Python]] to Alex Mason for a game of Russian Roulette at the beginning of the mission "Payback".]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_21-12-46-95.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Colt Python]] in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_21-12-49-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Colt Python]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:CODBO-Python-INV.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Colt Python]] in Create-A-Class menu.]]

== Makarov PM ==

A [[Makarov PM]] is seen in the 'WMD' level shown during GamesCom 2010 and in the new arrived multiplayer 'Wager Match' trailer. It is incorrectly depicted as having the magazine catch behind the trigger guard, allowing the player to drop the magazine with one hand; in fact, the magazine catch is in the heel of the butt and requires the opposite hand to remove.

[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Makarov PM]] - 9x18mm Makarov.]]

[[Image:Shot0030.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mason taking cover behind a coal car with [[Makarov PM]] in hand as Reznov and Sergei push forward.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_20-41-58-15.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Makarov PM]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0066.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Makarov PM]] in reloading.]]

== CZ-75 ==
The [[CZ-75]] pistol is featured in the game, along with its machine pistol variant, the CZ-75 Automatic. Standard magazine capacity is 12 rounds, while extended magazines give 20 rounds a magazine. Other attachments include the aforementioned Automatic conversion kit, high-contrast iron-sights, a suppressor, and dual-wield capability. Anachronistic as production first started in 1975. All dual-wieldable CZ-75's in single player have the extended mags attachment by default, albeit unlisted.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CZ-75 - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Cz75fa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CZ-75 Automatic with spare magazine, 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-41-22-44.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dual CZ-75s.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-44-51-73.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CZ-75 Automatic.]]

== ASP ==

An [[ASP 9|ASP]] pistol can be seen in the inventory of the new Create-A-Class. In game Mason uses it in the Cuban levels, as do Cuban police officers, which is strange since the ASP was intended for special forces usage.

[[Image:Asploaded.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[ASP 9|ASP]] pistol - 9x19mm Parabellum.]]

[[Image:Shot05028.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[ASP 9|ASP]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0029.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[ASP 9|ASP]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0031.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[ASP 9|ASP]] in reloading.]]

==Tokarev TT-33==

A [[Tokarev TT-33]] is used in conjunction with a flashlight by Capt. Viktor Reznov while clearing the ship in the World War II mission "Project Nova". The British SAS commandos pull this out while in last stand. The TT-33 is also used by Kravchenko as he's executing German POWs.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Tokarev TT-33]] - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Tula Arsenal (Soviet Union) Note CCCP printing around the star on the plastic grips.]]

[[Image:Shot0126.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Tokarev TT-33]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0127.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Tokarev TT-33]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0129.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Tokarev TT-33]] in reloading. Note: flashlight in left hand.]]
[[Image:Kravchenko-BO.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kravchenko fires the TT-33's last shot on the second POW before discarding the pistol and killing the last POW with a knife.]]

==Walther P38==
At the end of the first part of the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova", Steiner waits for the Soviet troops with a [[Walther P38]] drawn, but does not attempt to use it. This is the only time where the [[Walther P38]] is seen, but also unusable by the player.

[[Image:P38Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Walther P38]] WWII dated with black grips - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0120.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The [[Walther P38]] is in the right hand of Steiner.]]

= Submachine Guns =

== MAC-11 ==
A [[MAC-11]] with suppressor can be seen in one of the artworks, in the hands of a special forces operative crashing through a glass window. It can be found in the campaign level "Redemption" and is the player's secondary weapon in that level as well. Its appearance is also anachronistic as it was not developed until 1972.

[[Image:Mac m11 9k.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MAC-11 - .380 ACP]]

[[Image:MAC10NICE.JPG|thumb|none|500px|MAC-11 with silencer on cool breaching artwork.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_23-27-05-25.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_23-27-05-94.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Iron-sights.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K Prototype ==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K Prototype]] can be seen in of the premiere trailer, in the hands of a soldier with a missile launch facility in the background. Just like few other game weapons is anachronistic. The first MP5k Prototype with wooden foregrip was developed in 1976, although the weapon first appears in a level set in 1964.

It may not be entirely Anachronistic, this weapon could actually be the HK54 as it does bear a few similarities, and the fact the HK54 was developed right around 1964, kind of fits this thought as well.

[[Image:H&K_MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP54 earliest prototype of the H&K MP5]]

[[Image:MP5Kprototype.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5K - 9x19mm. Note wooden foregrip.]]

[[Image:Unknwon.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:CODBO-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same MP5K prototype as shown above, but with part of the foregrip removed, for some reason or another.]]

[[Image:CODBO-MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

== Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion ==

An [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion"]] can be seen used in the multiplayer 'Wager Match' interview video. It is depicted without its folding stock, but the unlockable Grip attachment adds and folds out the stock.

[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]

[[Image:CODBO-Savz61.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Akimbo [[SA Vz.61 Skorpion|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion"]] in a 'Wager Match' video.]]

[[Image:Shot40017.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[SA Vz.61 Skorpion|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion"]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot004518.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[SA Vz.61 Skorpion|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion"]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot00220.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[SA Vz.61 Skorpion|Samopal Vzor 61 "Škorpion"]] in reloading.]]

== SITES Spectre M4 ==

A [[Spectre M4]] is one of the available SMGs. Appearance is anachronistic, the gun was not developed until the 1980's

[[Image:Sites_Spectre.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Spectre M4 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_01.37_-2010.09.02_23.17.36-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Spectre M4 in MP footage]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_01.42_-2010.09.02_23.17.48-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Reflex sight view. Note the custom light-blue reticule.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_01.49_-2010.09.02_23.18.02-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Reloading the Spectre M4. Note the customized logo.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-46-42-71.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Spectre M4 idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_18-07-08-01.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Iron-sights.]]

== PM-63 RAK ==

A [[PM-63 RAK]] is seen in the Create-A-Class 2.0 inventory and in recently released "Customization" trailer.

[[Image:PM63.JPG|none|thumb|400px|PM-63 RAK - 9x18mm]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-51-37-42.jpg|none|thumb|500px|PM-63 RAK]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-51-38-96.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Iron-sights]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-47-37-02.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Dual PM-63s]]

== IMI Uzi ==
The [[IMI Uzi]] is one of the available SMG's in-game. In real life, the Uzi was actually used by S.O.G. recon teams during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[IMI Uzi]] - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0266.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[IMI Uzi]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0267.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|[[IMI Uzi]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0269.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|[[IMI Uzi]] in reloading.]]

== Walther MPL ==

A Walther MPL is seen in the Create-A-Class 2.0 inventory. It is also a very common weapon in zombie mode, in zombie mode for some reason it carries 24 rounds, not 30.

[[Image:Walther_mpl_1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Walther MPL with stock extended - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:CoDBlackOps-MPL.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Walther MPL being reloaded]]

[[Image:BO Walther MPL Sights.JPG|thumb|none|550px|Iron Sights]]

== OTs-02 Kiparis ==

A Soviet OTs-02 Kiparis with the wire stocks removed can be seen in gameplay footage. The Kiparis is anachronistic (since it was designed in 1976), but appears in the hands of Spetznaz operatives in the campaign and can be dual-wielded by the player.

[[Image:Kiparis1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|OTs-02 Kiparis, with suppressor and laser - 9x18mm Makarov.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-57-02-01.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Dual Kiparii]]

[[Image:Kapris.png|thumb|none|550px|Confirmed in the Create-a-Class section.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-44-03-61.jpg|thumb|none|550px|OTs-02 Kiparis with a reflex sight.]]

==PPSh-41==
The [[PPSh-41]] is used by the Russian soldiers in the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova" and also is used by Capt. Viktor Reznov and Pvt. Dimitri Petrenko.

[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[PPSh-41]] - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]

[[Image:Shot0074.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[PPSh-41]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0075.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[PPSh-41]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot040076.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[PPSh-41]] in reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot004539.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[PPSh-41]] on Pvt. Gerasimov's back and also in the player's hands.]]

==MP40==

The [[MP40]] is available for purchase in the zombie map "Kino der Untoten". It is also used by the Germans in the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova". The MP40 in zombie mode has a Blued finish

[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Shot0108.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0109.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 in reloading.]]

==Sten==

The [[Sten]] Mk II is carried by British SAS commandos in the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:Sten.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Sten]] Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Sten-BO.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SAS commandos with Sten Mk. II's.]]

[[Image:Shot0143.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Sten]] Mk II in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0148.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Sten]] Mk II through iron sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0157.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Sten]] Mk II while reloading.]]

= Assault Rifles =

== FAMAS F1 FELIN==
An early version of the [[FAMAS#FELIN|FAMAS F1 FELIN]] appears in several levels. The FELIN is an anachronistic weapon for the time period the game is set in (the 1960s) in many ways. Not only was the base weapon not developed until 1978, this specific variant didn't come into existence until the late 1990s. If upgrading the FAMAS with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombies mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "G16-GL35"; firing laser-like rounds, has 45 round magazine instead of 30 and attached with custom red dot sight.

[[Image:FamasFelin.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[FAMAS#FELIN|FAMAS F1 FELIN]] - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0081.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FAMAS F1 fitted with red dot sight and "Flora" camouflage..]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133221.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FAMAS looking through iron-sights.]]

[[Image:CODBOFAMAS.JPG2.JPG|thumb|none|550px|FAMAS while reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot00710.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Upgraded FAMAS in zombies mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

[[Image:Shot001121.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Same us above, through the red dot sight.]]

== Composite AK-47 ==
An [[AK-47]] appears in the game, under the name AK-47 however it is a composite of several different AK-47 variants i.e. straighter magazine similar to those on AKs chambered for 5.45x39mm or 5.56x45mm. Overall appearance seems close to WASR-2 rifle. In multiplayer, the AK-47 is given the RPK's magazine when the Extended Mag attachment is purchased for the weapon. The RPK in-game is the RPK-74, chambered in 5.45x39mm, hinting at the fact that the AK in-game is also chambered in 5.45x39mm. In the singleplayer campaign, this rifle is used by the Soviets and the North Vietnamese Army with a variety of accessories.

[[Image:Ak74p.jpg|thumb|none|425px|Prototype AK-74 - 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:WASR2.jpg|thumb|none|425px|A US imported Romanian WASR-2, 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:AK-47.jpg|thumb|none|425px|Type I AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]

[[Image:Shot0039.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Reload - note empty magazine being inserted]]

[[Image:Shot0050.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK being "hold" by Reznov]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_21-24-02-22.jpg|thumb|none|550px|On-screen blip for picking up a dropped "AK-47".]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-09-41-46.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AK with RPK-74 magazine.]]

== AKS-74U==
The [[AKS-74U]] returns from ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' with the same erroneous name (AK74u) and the same erroneous designation of sub-machine gun. Anachronistic to Black Ops, as it was not developed until 1979. Also, it has silver scheme all over it unlike ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' where it had classic metal body and "bakelite" magazine.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[AKS-74U]] - 5.45x39mm.]]

[[Image:Shot002780.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AKS-74U]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0021.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AKS-74U]] through sights.]]

[[Image:Shot00243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AKS-74U]] while reloading. Note the empty magazine.]]

== IMI Galil ARM ==

An [[IMI Galil ARM]] was first seen in Gamescom 2010, and later in trailers and gameplay footage from leaked copies of the game. Appearance is anachronistic, as the Galil was not developed until 1972. It has a 35 round magazine with a medium rate of fire. The standard rear sight for the Galil appears to be the flip-up tritium night sight. If upgrading the Galil with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "Lamentation"; firing laser-like rounds, fitted with red dot sight which have a blue lens and an unusual blue reticle, and also has a sci-fi camo pattern all over it.

[[Image:Galil.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[IMI Galil ARM]] - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-52-20-58.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Galil in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-52-21-78.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Galil looking through iron sights.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-56-07-41.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Jungle camouflage variant.]]

[[Image:COD BO Galil Sights.JPG|thumb|none|550px|Another view of the Galil looking through iron sights, but note that the sights are in fact the flip-up night sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0022222.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Upgraded Galil in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

[[Image:Shot002783.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Upgraded Galil looking through red dot sight. Note the unusual reticle.]]

== Steyr AUG ==

The [[Steyr AUG]] is seen in both the teaser and premiere trailer, being used only in the levels which are to take place in the Ural Mountains. It has a Swarovski scope, a arctic camo paint and a suppressor in some of the scenes. Strangely it lacks the folding foregrip. (Correction: Only the non-playable character's AUG lacks the foregrip. The Player's is simply folded forward) This is anachronistic, as the level takes place in 1968 but the prototype for the AUG was not patented until 1974 and was not introduced into service until 1977. If upgrading the [[Steyr AUG]] with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "AUG-50M3"; firing laser-like rounds, attached with [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]] but both [[Steyr AUG]] and Masterkey keeps their normal ammunition count. Note: while the Masterkey has 6 shells, reloading a shell will counts it like you loaded 2 shells, meaning, if you fired the entire Masterkey and start reloading, first shell is 2, second shell is 4, and third shell is 6.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Steyr AUG]] - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|550px|FPS view of the AUG]]

[[Image:Skydivingcodbo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Our skydiving protagonist takes "two is one and one is none" to a new level when he carries an AUG to complement his primary weapon, another AUG. You know, in case one explodes or something.]]

[[Image:59.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Steyr Aug without foregrip in hands of Agent Weaver.]]

[[Image:AUGICONBO.JPG|thumb|none|550px|Steyr Aug´s pick-up icon in MP footage.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_00.07_-2010.09.02_23.16.22-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|AUG with reflex sight. Note the customize logo on the side.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_00.22_-2010.09.02_23.16.45-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Reflex sight view. Note custom reticule.]]

[[Image:Shot0078611.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Upgraded [[Steyr AUG]] in zombie mode.]]

[[Image:Shot0004.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Like above, only with the Masterkey in use. Note the sci-fi camo pattern and the heat shield.]]

== Colt Commando ==

Throughout the game, it appears to have a short barrel like the Colt Model 733 and a flat top. The flat top hints at a Colt Model 933. While the weapon is not completely anachronistic since the Rock Island Arsenal did experiment with a weaver-rail mounted [[AR-10]] known as the Model 656, the presence of back up iron sights and holosights on the weapon (as seen in multiplayer) can be considered unrealistic. Early screenshots and footage showed a modeling mistake on the rifle, with the magazine looking as if it were partly falling out, but the final game has it at its proper length. It still possesses an erroneous 30-round capacity, though. Ironically, the proper, curved 30-round mag ''does'' appear in game, but only with the Extended Mags attachment, in which case it actually holds ''more'' than 30 rounds. This goes for the M16 too as it acts more or less just like it. Unlike some rifles in the game, the sling is wrapped around the weapon, instead of being clipped onto the sling mounts and allowed to hang loosely. If you look closely, note that the sling blocks the bolt release button, as in real life the shooter will have to use the charging handle every time he'll load a fresh magazine. Even so the reload animation of a fresh magazine still uses the bolt release button. If upgrading the Commando with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "Predator"; firing laser-like rounds, and has 40 round magazine instead of 30.

[[Image:Colt_Model_733.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Commando - 5.56x45mm. This is supposed to be the Colt Commando in-game only with flat top.]]

[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 933. This rifle has a removable carrying handle, with an RIS underneath. This is possibly what the Commando was based upon.]]

[[Image:Shot0177.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Colt Commando]] with [[M203 grenade launcher]] in idle. Note the sling blocks the bolt release button.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133031.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Suppressed [[Colt Commando]] with reflex sight. Note clan tag engraved on the charging handle.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133054.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Colt Commando]] in Reflex sight view. Note smiley face reticule.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809133126.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Colt Commando]] with Jungle Camo in First Person. Note RC-XD Car killstreak.]]

[[Image:Snapshot20100809135256.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Iron-sight view for Snow Camo variant.]]

[[Image:CODBOAR-15a.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Frank Woods with his [[Colt Commando]] and early Colt Scope. Note the modelling mistake of the magazine.]]

[[Image:CODBOAR15.JPG|thumb|none|550px|Nice detail on camouflaged variation. Note colt scope.]]

[[Image:Shot007817.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Upgraded Commando in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== M16 ==
The original [[M16]] can be seen few times in Insight video. It is shown as burst fire in multiplayer, and holding 30 rounds despite the 20 round magazine modeled. Like with the aforementioned Colt Commando, the 30-round mag only appears with the Extended Mags attachment, and actually holds 45 rounds, more than its intended capacity in that case. It is correctly depicted as firing in fully-automatic mode in single player, as the real [[M16A1]] had a fully automatic firing mode. It uses the 3 round burst firing mode in multiplayer, which is presumably set after the events of the singleplayer campaign (later A2 and A4 models had burst fire). Treyarch developer Josh Olin said that it was "an early prototype". If upgrading the [[M16]] with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "Skullcrusher"; firing laser-like rounds, and attached [[M203 grenade launcher]] but both the [[M16]] and the [[M203]] keeps their normal ammunition count.

[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam. This has the original '''3-prong flash hider'''. 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:Shot0131.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|[[M16]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0132.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|[[M16]] through iron-sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0133.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|[[M16]] while reloading. Note: [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]].]]

[[Image:Shot0119.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Frank Woods with his [[M16]].]]

[[Image:CODBO-M16-INV.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[M16]] in Create-A-Class menu.]]

[[Image:Shot0013.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|Upgraded [[M16]] in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== M14 Rifle ==
The [[M14]] is one of the assault rifles (correctly, battle rifle) used in-game and also distinguished by its fire power. For some reason, It uses an 8-round magazine in zombie mode despite using 20-round like in single-player and multiplayer modes. If comparing the [[M14]] to the [[M1 Garand]] used in ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]'', it's actually the same weapon only with different body and reloading animations. Various attachments can be fitted included: [[M203 grenade launcher]], flamethrower, Colt scope, red dot sight, reflex sight, [[KAC Masterkey]] shotgun, suppressor, foregrip, IR scope and extended magazine.

Note: The in-game model has a pistol grip and bipod like the M14E2 LMG, but doesn't act like it. Attaching a foregrip in multiplayer increases its resemblance to the M14E2, however it is still semi-auto only.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[M14]] rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:M14E2SAW.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14E2 Light Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:CODBO4.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|[[M14]] fitted with Colt scope as seen in single-player.]]

[[Image:Shot0083.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[M14]] with Colt scope and Ice camo in idle.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M14-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[M14]] looking through iron-sights.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M14-INV.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[M14]] in Create-A-Class inventory. Note the M14E2-like pistol grip.]]

[[Image:CODBOM14.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[M14]] in Yukon camo (snow camo), custom logo on the side, and Colt scope. Note: F-4 jet fighter dropping napalm bombs.]]

== Heckler & Koch G11 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch G11]] is one of the prototype weapons in the game, and is used by Dr. Daniel Clarke in the level "Numbers". As in real life, it fires in bursts, at very effective speeds. Its appearance is anachronistic, as it was not developed until the 1980's and the game is set in the 1960's. If upgrading the [[G11]] with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombies mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "G115 Generator"; firing laser-like rounds, and but keeps the normal ammunition count.

[[Image:HK_G11_caseless_Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch G11]] - 4.73x33mm.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_02.34_-2010.09.02_23.18.39-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[G11]] n idle.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_02.35_-2010.09.02_23.19.15-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[G11]] being reloaded.]]

[[Image:Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_Multiplayer_Gameplay.mp4_snapshot_02.48_-2010.09.02_23.19.33-.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[G11]] through iron-sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0088814.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Upgraded [[G11]] in zombies mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== FN FAL ==

The [[FN FAL]] is seen mostly in the hands of Cuban soldiers and some NVA soldiers in-game. The rifle is aesthetically accurate in the game, however, the wooden furniture and the oval vent holes on the handguard of the weapon makes it resemble a Canadian version [[L1A1 SLR]]. Despite this, the rifle is still under the FAL prefix.

[[Image:FN_FAL_50_00.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[FN FAL]] 50.00 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:C1A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Canadian version [[L1A1]] SLR, presumably the version used in the game - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:Shot0022.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[FN FAL]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[FN FAL]] through sights.]]

[[Image:Shot0026.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[FN FAL]] while reloading.]]

== Enfield XL64==
The [[Enfield L85 rifle series#XL64ES|Enfield XL64]] is seen in Create-a-Class footage from the multiplayer reveal. In Singleplayer, Hudson carries a Enfield fitted with a IR scope and a Masterkey under-barrel shotgun has part of the Hazmat team when they attack Rebirth Island to capture Doctor Steiner. The Enfield fits the game's time period, as prototypes are known to have existed since the early 1960's.

[[Image:EnfieldXL64.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XL64E5 - 4.85x49mm]]

[[Image:Boenfield1.jpg|thumb|none|200px|XL64 in Create-A-Class.]]

[[Image:EnfieldXL64ingame.jpg|thumb|none|460px|XL64 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot009120.jpg|thumb|none|550px|XL64 attached with IR scope on the ground.]]

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==
The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] is used by the Germans in the World War II mission "Project Nova" and can be used by the player.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Sturmgewehr 44]] - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:Shot1111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Sturmgewehr 44]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot4582.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Sturmgewehr 44]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0086.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Sturmgewehr 44]] in reloading.]]

= Shotguns =

== Franchi SPAS-12 ==

The [[Franchi SPAS-12]] is present in the game. It should be noted that even though the SPAS-12 is depicted as being used by Vietnamese and American soldiers in 1968, it did not actually enter production until 1979. In contrast to MW2's SPAS, the one featured in Black Ops is semi-auto. Despite this, when it is picked up and when reloading the player pumps the weapon, even though the charging handle on the right side of it must be pulled back to chamber a new shell in semi-auto mode. It should also be noted that the Dragon's Breath rounds used in one campaign mission are underpowered and not rated for use in semis due to insufficient energy to cycle the action. If upgrading the SPAS-12 with the Pack-A-Punch machine in Zombies mode, it will turn into a more powerful version called "SPAZ-24"; firing laser-like rounds, but has 24 shells instead of 8 and also it reloads the entire magazine only after one shell, which only take a second to wait.

[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Franchi SPAS-12]] - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:Shot0084.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SPAS-12 attached with silencer in idle.]]

[[Image:CODBOSpas1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SPAS-12 is been thrown to the protagonist by Frank Woods.]]

[[Image:BOSPASRELOADING.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SPAS-12 being reloaded. Note the costume logo on the side.]]

[[Image:Shot002307.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Upgraded SPAS-12 in zombie mode. Note the sci-fi camo pattern.]]

== Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" ==

An [[Ithaca 37|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] with a little bit different design, can be seen in some multiplayer gameplay videos. Originally thought to be the full-stocked Trench Gun variant due to insufficient detail, until shots of the world model revealed that it really is the Stakeout.

[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:Shot0123.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0124.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0125.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] in reloading. Note the foregrip.]]

== KS-23 ==

A [[KS-23]] shotgun/carbine is seen only in the game's single-player mode. It holds more rounds (seven) than it actually does in reality (three in the tube mag, one in the chamber)

[[Image:Ks23-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|KS-23 with a fixed wooden stock , 23mm]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_14-50-29-48.jpg|thumb|none|500px|KS-23 idle]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_14-50-54-12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|KS-23 iron-sights]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-15_15-04-29-16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Icon for picking up KS-23]]

=== "Harpoon" ===

A KS-23 with a harpoon and cable is used by Mason to shoot down a Soviet helicopter during "Vorkuta".
[[Image:Shot0041.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]

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== Rottweil Olympia Skeet Shotgun ==

An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun#Over and Under Shotgun (O/U)|Over and Under shotgun]] under the name "Olympia" is first seen during some footage and featured also in singleplayer and zombie mode. The shotgun bears a resemblance to the [[Beretta 682]] but is most likely based on the Rottweil Olympia over/under skeet shotgun.

[[Image:Browning_0-U.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Browning O/U - 12 Gauge. Note: This is '''NOT''' the same shotgun used in game, only based on.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-49-35-97.jpg|thumb|none|550px|"Olympia" in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-12_23-49-37-55.jpg|550px|thumb|none|"Olympia" in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0252.jpg|550px|thumb|none|"Olympia" in reloading.]]

== High Standard Model 10 ==
The [[High Standard Model 10]] is the last shotgun unlocked, holds 4 shells and can be dual wielded. In single-player and zombie mode it holds 6 shells.

[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[High Standard Model 10]]B - 12 gauge.]]

[[Image:CODBO-HS10-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Model 10 in reloading.]]

[[Image:Shot0089.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Akimbo Model 10 with red camouflage.]]

[[Image:Shot0002.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An upgraded Model 10 in zombie mode, called ''Typhoid & Mary''. Note the sci-fi camouflage.]]

== Winchester Model 1887 ==

A [[Winchester Model 1887]] is seen being wielded one handed while riding a motorcycle. It is erroneously depicted as being able to fire two shots before needing to be spin-cocked. Why this was done is unknown.
[[Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1887 - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:Shot0065.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Picture provided to show how alike this lever action weapon looks to the Winchester Model 1887 texture from Modern Warfare 2. It is almost an exact copy.]]

[[Image:Shot0060.jpg|500px|thumb|none|This scene looks a lot like [[Terminator 2]]....]]

= Machine Guns =

== RPK-74 ==
The [[RPK-74]] appears early in the single player campaign, in the hands of Cuban soldiers in "Operation 40" (set in 1961). The RPK-74's handguards are ribbed like the later RPK-74M, even though the weapon is ostensibly the earlier model with wooden handguards. The weapon also features a relocated rear iron sight which is replaced with the standard AK top cover when an optic is attached. Compared to the two other AK-type rifles, the RPK-74 has an artificially long reload animation.

[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK-74, 5.45x39mm]]

[[Image:RPKblackopsy.JPG|thumb|none|500px|RPK in the Black Ops teaser.]]

[[Image:BORPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"RPK" with "Acog" in idle.]]

[[Image:BORPK2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Idle. Note relocated rear sights.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-10_14-56-36-23.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Iron-sights.]]

== Heckler & Koch HK-21E ==
The [[Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns#Heckler_.26_Koch_HK21|HK-21E]] is in the game, but uses G3 Magazines holding 30 rounds. The extended drum magazine holds 60 rounds in multiplayer, and 80 in single player. Other attachments include various optics. If upgrading the HK-21E with the Pack-A-Punch machine in zombie mode, it will turn into more powerful version called "H115 Oscillator"; firing laser-like rounds, and has 150 round magazine.

[[Image:HK21E.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch HK21E]] - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]

[[Image:CODBO-HK21.jpg|thumb|none|550px|HK-21E in idle.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_18-11-39-63.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Hudson examining a drum-magged HK-21E in Clarke's weapon's cache.]]

[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_18-11-48-41.jpg|thumb|none|550px|HK-21E idle. Not seen in this shot of the weapons cache is the M202 FLASH quad-barrel rocket launcher.]]

[[Image:Shot000789874.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Upgraded HK-21E in zombies mode. Note the sci-fi "tattoo".]]

== Stoner 63 ==

A [[Stoner 63]] in what appears to be its assault rifle configuration is unlocked as the last light machine gun in Multiplayer.

[[Image:Stoner63ARifle Config1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cadillac Gage Stoner 63A, 5.56x45mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-Stoner63.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Stoner 63 during multiplayer gameplay footage, with an early Colt combat scope attached to it.]]

[[Image:Stoner63.png‎|thumb|none|500px| Confirmed in Create-a-Class section.]]

[[Image:BlackOps-STONER63.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A handheld [[GE M134 Minigun|M134 Minigun]] is available in multiplayer as a Kill Streak reward and can also be found during the campaign level "Vorkuta", under the name "Death Machine".

This weapon is a modified version of the now-standard Terminator 2-style Minigun with some slight alterations. First the chainsaw grip is offset to the left and the Y-frame and rear grip are tilted to the right so that when the player holds the weapon, it is tilted to the left. Because of this the Y-frame is not actually attached to the recoil adapter assemblies which makes them completely extraneous. Additionally the barrel cluster incorrectly spins clock-wise from the player's perspective and features a custom three-disc barrel clamp rather than the traditional four-disc clamp.

Brass and links eject from the 12 o'clock position sending a stream of shells up and to the left. In reality the links would be ejected from the feeder/delinker where the chute is attached on the right side of the weapon and the brass would eject from the bottom. Likely this was altered for a more cinematic effect while using the gun. Finally the firing mechanism is a thumb switch on top of the rear grip rather than a traditional trigger.

The gun itself is fed from a 999-round (499 rounds in multiplayer) belt loaded into a chute from the first person perspective. In the third person the weapon has no visible ammo or power source. Despite the rotational speed of the barrel cluster (it spins so fast that it appears to be slowly rotating the opposite direction) the weapon only fires about 1000 rounds per minute. There is a slight spin up and spin down of the barrels before and after firing. Though it is only a fraction of a second and doesn't impede gameplay, it is technically incorrect as the M134's action is cycled by barrel rotation and would start firing as soon as the cluster rotated and would continue to fire until the cluster stopped. The XM214 had a feature that would declutch the feeder/delinker during spin down to conserve ammo, but the "Death Machine" is based on the M134, not the XM214, which was developed much later. Realistically the weapon overheats at bursts of just over 100 rounds.

[[Image:Minigun_2.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Handheld GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:Shot0054.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M134 Minigun that somehow appeared in Soviet prison in Siberia. Note the offset chainsaw grip and Y-frame tilted in relation to the recoil adapter assemblies and the top of the weapon. The drive motor was positioned in relation to the Y-frame but since the gun is sitting askew, it should on the underside.]]

[[Image:Shot0058.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mason raising hell with the hand-held M134.]]

== M60E3 ==
The [[M60#M60E3_Machine_Gun | M60E3 ]] general purpose machine gun, known as "The Pig" during the Vietnam war, is seen in multiplayer footage. It does not appear to have the forward pistol grip. In-game, the M60E3 uses a modern flip-up rear iron sights instead its own original sights, like some other weapons available in ''Black Ops''. And like many other weapons in "Black Ops", its appearance during the Vietnam War is anachronistic.

[[Image:M60E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60E3 - 7.62x51mm]]

[[Image:BOM601.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The M60E3 in idle. Note the backwards rear iron sights.]]

=Sniper Rifles =

== Accuracy International Arctic Warfare ==
[[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare]] can seen in MP footage. Probably highly anachronistic (the Accuracy International PM entered British Military service in 1982). Most definitely not the police variant due to the dark-olive finish on the furniture, known from the magnum variant. The compensator at the end of the barrel suggest it is the L115A1 AWSM, Arctic Warfare Super-Magnum.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare#AWSM_.28Arctic_Warfare_Super_Magnum.29] In game it is called the L96A1.

[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International AW 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:AWPCODBO.JPG|thumb|none|550px|]]

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== Carcano M91/38 ==
Gun used by Lee Harvey Oswald to assassinate John F. Kennedy, can be seen for a second in a trailer. This is the first of many allusions to JFK's assassination throughout the game's campaign.
[[Image:CarcanoM91-38ShortRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Carcano M91/38 Short Rifle - 6.5mm.]]

[[Image:CARCANO.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]

== SVD Dragunov ==

A [[SVD Dragunov]] is seen in the hands of one of the enemy in the multiplayer teaser trailer.

[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov, 7.62x54mm R]]

[[Image:CODBO-SVD-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sniper with an SVD about to blown up by a rigged RC Car.]]

[[Image:CODBO-SVD-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|SVD been used in one of the new multiplayer videos.]]

[[Image:CODBO-SVD.jpg|thumb|none|550px|SVD's PSO-1 scope as seen in the Prestige Edition unveiling video.]]

== Walther WA 2000 ==

A [[Walther WA 2000]] appears as part of Mason's loadout in the mission "Victor Charlie", which makes it anachronistic, because "Victor Charlie" takes place in 1968 and the WA 2000 was not manufactured until 1982. Even a prototype would be anachronistic, because the gun was designed in the late 70s.

[[Image:Walther-WA2000.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Walther WA 2000]] - .300 Win Mag.]]

[[Image:Shot0170.jpg|thumb|none|550px|WA 2000 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0172.jpg|thumb|none|550px|WA 2000 while reloading.]]

== Heckler & Koch PSG-1 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch PSG-1]] is seen lying on the ground in one of the multiplayer gameplay videos. Its appearance in the game is anachronistic as the [[PSG-1]] was not developed until the 1970's

[[Image:H&KPSG01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch PSG-1]] - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:Shot0033.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[H&K PSG-1]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0035.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[H&K PSG-1]] in reloading. Note the empty magazine.]]

[[Image:Shot0034.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Looking through the [[H&K PSG-1]] scope.]]

[[Image:Shot0032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[H&K PSG-1]] on wall. Note: SITES [[Spectre M4]], [[CZ-75]] and dual OTs-02 Kiparis.]]

[[Image:Goldpsg1.png|thumb|none|500px|In-game golden [[H&K PSG-1]].]]

== Mosin Nagant Rifle ==
The [[Mosin Nagant Rifle]] is found during the World War II Flashback mission "Project Nova", available open sighted as well. Note: Some Russian soldiers, seen holding the [[Mosin Nagant]] and it seems to have a pistol grip. In fact, the rifle does not have a pistol grip, the game engine's character models hold rifles as if they have pistol grips because almost every other weapon in the game does. It is noticed also in ''[[Call of Duty 3]]''. Steiner's rifle is actually modeled with a pistol grip. In addiiton all of the models have the downturned Bolt handle that was only seen on later Sniper varieties.

[[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Full-length, [[Mosin Nagant]] M91/30 Sniper Rifle with Russian PU 3.5x sniper scope and down turned bolt handle - 7.62x54R.]]

[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Full-length, Soviet [[Mosin Nagant]] M91/30 - 7.62x54R.]]

[[Image:Shot00978582.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Scoped [[Mosin Nagant]].]]

[[Image:Shot0042221.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The middle soldier is holding a scoped [[Mosin Nagant]] while the other two holding [[PPSh-41]].]]

[[Image:Shot045042.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Regular [[Mosin Nagant]] in idle with incorrect bolt handle .]]

[[Image:Shot0043.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Regular [[Mosin Nagant]] in ADS.]]

= Launchers =

== SA-14 Gremlin ==
This updated version of the [[SA-7 Grail]], referred to in-game by its Russian designation of "Strela-3", appears in both single- and multiplayer mode, only capable of firing when locked onto a vehicle. Its appearance in the campaign is brief; Hudson uses a scavenged Strela-3 to shoot down two Mi-8 "Hip" gunships during the attack on Rebirth Island. The Gremlin is, like several weapons in the game, anachronistic, as ''Black Ops'' takes place in 1968, 6 years before its introduction in 1974.

[[Image:800px-SA-14_missile_and_launch_tube.jpg|thumb|300px|none|[[SA-14 Gremlin]] launcher and missile 70mm.]]

[[Image:STRELABO.jpg|thumb|300px|none|[[SA-14 Gremlin]] in Create-A-Class menu.]]

[[Image:Shot00775.jpg|thumb|550px|none|[[SA-14 Gremlin]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0087976.jpg|thumb|550px|none|[[SA-14 Gremlin]] in ADS.]]

=== "Valkyrie" ===
A unique version of the [[SA-14 Gremlin]], called the "Valkyrie" which has a MCLOS (Manual Command to Line of Sight) system same as the [[BGM-71 TOW]]. It is usable in the single-player missions "Executive Order", wherein Alex Mason uses it to destroy the ''Soyuz II'' rocket in flight, and "Redemption", where it's used to down a pair of Mi-8 helicopters. It also acts as a killstreak in multi-player, awarded after seven kills and costing 4,000 CoD Points.

[[Image:Shot017817.jpg|thumb|550px|none|"Valkyrie" in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0118.jpg|thumb|550px|none|"Valkyrie's" lock-on system.]]

[[Image:Shot0115.jpg|thumb|550px|none|"Valkyrie" on the ground.]]

== RPG-7 ==
[[RPG-7]] is used by Cuban, North Vietnamese, and Russian troops in campaign mode, and is available in multiplayer as well.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 70mm Grenade Launcher]]

[[Image:BORPG2.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

[[Image:Shot0001.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

[[Image:BORPG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

== XM191 ==
The [[M202 FLASH|XM191]] referred as the "Grim Reaper", can be used in the missions "Victor Charlie" and "Numbers" and also can be seen used by NPC's in the mission "Crash Site". In multiplayer mode, the ''Grim Reaper'' can be obtained from a care package killstreak (awarded after five kills) just like the ''Death Machine''. It has the ability to lock on helicopters and planes and has 12 rockets in total (obviously not firing all of them at the same time). Note: If the player gets killed after shooting the whole first magazine, in the next spawn the Grim Reaper will be removed, so it is advisable to find a good spot to fire it from. If read on the side it says M202A1.

[[Image:M202A2 FLASH.JPG|thumb|none|400px|M202A2 FLASH - 66mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0173.jpg|thumb|none|550px|XM191 in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0174.jpg|thumb|none|550px|XM191 through its scope.]]

[[Image:Shot0176.jpg|thumb|none|550px|XM191 in reloading.]]

== M72 LAW ==

The [[M72 LAW]] appears in the game as a single shot rocket launcher. It is used by Mason to destroy NVA T-55 tanks in Vietnam. In multiplayer the M72 is the first launcher unlocked by the player and has the capacity to lock-on to vehicles as opposed to the real life counter-part.

[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW, 66mm]]

[[Image:CODBO-M72LAW.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

[[Image:CODBO-M72LAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]

[[Image:BOLAWBUY.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Note vehicle lock-on capability]]

== China Lake grenade launcher ==
The [[China Lake Launcher]] is available in Black Ops, and is the last launcher unlocked. The pump animation has been deliberately made slow for game balance. Furthermore, in Multiplayer mode, the tube magazine holds only half its actual capacity (two grenades instead of four).
[[Image:US M79 pump-action four-shot 40x46mm grenade launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|China Lake Grenade Launcher - 40mm]]

[[Image:CODBO-ChinaLake.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The China Lake in idle.]]

[[Image:CODBO-ChinaLake-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Same one, in ADS.]]

== Panzerschreck ==
The [[Panzerschreck]] is used by the German soldiers is the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerschreck]] - 88mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0102.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerschreck]] on the ground.]]

[[Image:Shot0090.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerschreck]] in idle.]]

[[Image:Shot0091.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerschreck]] in ADS.]]

[[Image:Shot0105.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Panzerschreck]] in Reloading.]]

= Emplaced Weapons =

== M60 ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is seen mounted as a door gun on a Huey gunship, and as a mounted weapon throughout the game.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[Image:CODBO-M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== M134 Minigun ==

A Huey gunship is seen armed with a M21 armament system that consists of side mounted 70mm rocket pods and twin [[M134 Minigun]]s.

[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem, same as in the films (this also includes huge [[M158 Rocket Launcher]])]]

[[Image:CODBOAR-15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BlackOps_2010-11-14_17-29-46-73.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Huey gunship opening fire with miniguns]]

== Browning M2HB ==

A [[Browning M2HB]] can be seen mounted on every M113 APC in the singleplayer and also on every PBR boat.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Browning M2HB]] on vehicle mount - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M2HB.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[M2HB]] is mounted on the APC.]]

[[Image:Shot0190.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pair of [[M2HB]] is mounted on a PBR boat.]]

== Unknown MANPADS ==

Seen as a part of a SAM turret.[http://twitpic.com/2kedbs]

== BGM-71 TOW missile ==
The [[BGM-71 TOW]] is seen mounted on a jeep only in the mission "S.O.G." where the player need to destroy the NVA tanks. Unlike real TOW missile, this missile is guided by MCLOS (Manual Command to Line of Sight) instead of SACLOS (Semi Automatic Command to Line of Sight) which would be much simpler.

[[Image:Tow_07.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[BGM-71 TOW]] mounted on M220 tripod 152mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0146.jpg|thumb|none|550px|BGM-71 mounted on a jeep.]]

[[Image:Shot0147.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The BGM-71.]]

== Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun ==
The sentry guns in the zombie map "Kino der Toten" appears to be based on [[Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun]]. A double machine gun turret in the level "Victor Charlie" appears to be made of two modified Type 92s. The use icon for that turret reuses the icon for the Type 92 from ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''.

[[Image:Japanese_Type_92_Heavy_Machine_Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun]] - 7.7x58mm SR.]]

[[Image:Shot0006.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Type 92 mounted on an electrical engine.]]

== MG42 ==
The [[MG42]] is appeared only as an emplaced weapon throughout the World War II flashback mission "Project Nova". The first [[MG42]] is seen fired by a Russian soldier and the rest by the Germans, but all are usable by the player.

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]

[[Image:Shot00050.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[MG42]] used by a Russian soldier.]]

[[Image:Shot0073.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Same as above...]]

[[Image:Shot0117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[MG42]] is used by the player.]]

== AGS-30 automatic grenade launcher / machine gun ==
A heavy machine gun and a grenade launcher versions of AGS-30 with extended barrels are both attached to the BTR-60 APC that Hudson operates during the mission "Rebirth". Development of AGS-30 started in early 1990s, so it is highly anachronistic.

[[Image:Shot00588.jpg|thumb|550px|none|]]

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== DShK heavy machine gun ==
The [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is mostly seen mounted on trucks. The player uses one in "Vorkuta" and "WMD", and NPCs operate them in several other missions.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian DShKM on tripod - 12.7x108mm.]]

[[Image:Shot0227.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[DShK]] mounted on a truck.]]

[[Image:Shot4444.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[DShK]] used by the player.]]

== 82-PM-37 ==
The [[82-PM-37]] mortar is used by the Russian soldiers in the World War II mission "Project Nova". The player can't use these first-hand, but can instead call in mortar strikes that are launched via these weapons by allies. Calling the mortars is done by throwing smoke grenades near the target. They appear on the ground as stun grenades, though this is simply a result of model reuse.

[[Image:Shot00446.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Russian soldiers using the [[82-PM-37]] mortar.]]

= Explosives =

== M34 White Phosphorous grenade ==
The [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] AKA "Willy Pete" is used in its intended role as a smoke grenade, rather than as an incendiary weapon. It still causes mild damage to enemies who are too close when it explodes, though.

[[Image:M34_2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]].]]

[[Image:Shot0219.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The green grenade on the belt is the M34.]]

== M67 hand grenade ==
The [[M67 hand grenade]] once again returns as the primary grenade of every faction in-game (not including the World War II mission "Project Nova"). Because ''Black Ops'' takes place from 1961 to 1968, it would be slightly more accurate to see the [[M26 hand grenade]] instead of the [[M67]], as it did not come into common use in the U.S. Military until 1969. Strictly speaking, though, it's not ''exactly'' anachronistic, as it was designed in the 50's.

[[Image:Baseball.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M67]] fragmentation grenade.]]

== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ==
The [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] is used by the German soldiers in the World War II mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:24-43_grenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]].]]

[[Image:Shot110081.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Model 24 is about to be thrown.]]

[[Image:Shot0078.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Model 24 on the ground.]]

== RGD-33 stick grenade ==
The [[RGD-33 stick grenade]] is used by the Russian soldiers in the World War II mission "Project Nova" and usable by the player.

[[Image:Rgd-33russianfrag_mp.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[RGD-33 stick grenade]].]]

[[Image:Shot0079.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RGD-33 is about to be thrown.]]

[[Image:Shot0130.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RGD-33 on the ground.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
The [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mine is returned once again with no changes been made to it.

[[Image:M18a1_07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mine.]]

=== Non-used explosives ===
Some particular grenades can't be used in-game, but can be seen on some characters.

== F-1 hand grenade ==
The [[F-1 hand grenade]] is one of the grenade that aren't usable in-game.

[[Image:Deactivated_f1.jpg|thumb|none|200px|F-1 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0219.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The grenades under the right shoulder are the F-1's.]]

[[Image:Shot0259.jpg|thumb|none|600px|F-1 hand grenade on dead Russian soldier. Note: [[RGD-5 hand grenade]].]]

== RGD-5 hand grenade ==
The [[RGD-5 hand grenade]] is one of the grenade that aren't usable in-game.

[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0259.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[RGD-5 hand grenade]] on a dead Russian soldier. Note: [[F-1 hand grenade]].]]

== Mk 2 hand grenade ==
The [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] is one of the grenades that aren't usable in-game. The Mk 2 can can be seen on Tank Dempsey in the zombie map "Kino Der Toten".

[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|180px|Mk 2 "Pineapple" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0032301.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[Mk 2 hand grenade]] on Tank Dempsey's coat.]]

== M7 Gas Grenade ==

[[Image:M7A3.jpg|thumb|none|175px|M7 CS gas grenade.]]

[[Image:Shot0219.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The black grenades on the waist are the M7.]]

= Attachments =

== M203 grenade launcher ==
The [[M203 grenade launcher]] returns once again, but this time, it actually has the trigger and trigger guard, unlike in ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' and ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''. In the first stages of the game, the [[M203]] lacked the front and rear mountings as can be seen below, but added in the final version. Since ''Black Ops'' takes place from 1961 to 1968, it is anachronistic to see the [[M203]] in use as it was entered service only in 1969. A more historically-accurate choice would have been the [[XM148 grenade launcher]].

[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|362px|[[M203]] - 40mm.]]

[[Image:CODBO-M203.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Notice the lack of front and rear mountings for the [[M203]].]]

[[Image:Shot0183.jpg|thumb|none|550px|[[M203]] attached to [[Colt Commando]] in reloading.]]

== GP-25 ==
A [[GP-30|GP-25]] can be seen mounted on the [[AK-47|AK based gun]] and the [[Galil]].
[[Image:Gp-25 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-25 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[image:Shot0047.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-25 on AK based weapon.]]
[[image:Shot0046.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-25 on AK based weapon.]]
[[image:-Galil_with_GP-25.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-25 on [[Galil]].]]

== Knight's Armament Masterkey underbarrel shotgun ==
The [[Knight's Armament Masterkey]] is a purchasable attachment for some Assault Rifles in multiplayer, and is seen in-game mounted on the [[M14]] and [[M16]] respectively.

[[Image:KACMasterKey.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Masterkey - 12 gauge.]]

[[Image:CODBO3.jpg|thumb|none|556px|Masterkey mounted on [[M16]].]]

==GSN-19 "Kanarejka" ==
The [[GSN-19 grenade launcher]] is a unique attachment for the [[AKS-74U]] compact carbine. First encountered in the single-player mission "Rebirth".

[[Image:Shot0044.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GSN-19 in idle.]]
[[Image:Shot004897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GSN-19 in reloading.]]
[[Image:Shot005004.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GSN-19 on a table.]]

=See Also=

'''Call of Duty franchise'''

* ''[[Call of Duty]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: United Offensive]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: Finest Hour]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty 2]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty 2: Big Red One]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty 3]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Nintendo DS Version)]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War: Final Fronts]]''
* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War (DS)]]''
* ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''

=Video Links=
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpLBPBGVIM&feature=channel| Debut Tease Trailer] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRnpC7ddv8| World Premiere Uncut Trailer] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTlKvlX-Io| E3 Vietnam Gameplay trailer] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9qkMsyNdw| E3 short WMD gameplay] 
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IvvmtQ_FVg&feature=youtu.be| Call of Duty: Black Ops Insight]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4xg2rhLsT0| Call of Duty: Black Ops Multiplayer Teaser]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjcEeTmEys| Call of Duty: Black Ops Prestige Edition Unveiling]

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Crysis 2

2011-01-04T22:34:14Z

Acora: /* Hammer Pistol */

'''The following weapons can be seen in the upcoming sci-fi FPS shooter Crysis 2:'''

'''WORK IN PROGRESS'''
[[Image:Crysis2.jpg|thumb|right|340px|Crysis 2 (2011)]]

==SCAR==
The weapon used by the protagonist Alcatraz and much of your allies heavily resembles a [[Heckler & Koch XM8]] chambered in 6.8x43mm like the previous game [[Crysis]]. As in the Crysis world, it appears as if the weapon won the SOCOM SCAR competition.
[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|500px|none|XM8 assault rifle]]
[[Image:C2-SCAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. Army soldier with a SCAR assault rifle in "The Wall" trailer.]]
[[Image:C2-SCArPlay.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player with the SCAR before picking up the DSG-1.]]

==DSG-1==
The DSG-1 is a 10-round bolt-action precision rifle that appears in the beta multiplayer footage. As the name implies, it is based on the [[DSR-1]] and has the similar 10-round magazine and stock of the [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G3#H.26K_PSG-1|Heckler & Koch PSG-1]]. Its appearance looks much different than in [[Crysis]], featuring a shorter stock, a slightly shorter handguard and top rail, and a longer barrel.
[[Image:Dsr1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|DSR-Precision GmbH DSR-1]]
[[Image:H%26KPSG01.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Heckler & Koch PSG-1]]
[[Image:C2-SCArPlay.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The DSG-1 on the ground.]]

==Hammer Pistol==
The Hammer pistol is seen being chambered by a C.E.L.L. soldier in a beta footage. It appears to be based on the [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]].

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]
[[Image:C2-pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The C.E.L.L. soldier pulling the slide of the Hammer pistol.]]

==L-TAG grenade launcher==
In the "Be The Weapon" trailer, Alcatraz is seen firing the L-TAG grenade launcher, which is pretty much an [[M79 grenade launcher]] modified to hold 6 grenade shells.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:L-TAG-C.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The L-TAG grenade launcher.]]

==Grendel assault rifle==
Seen in the CryEngine 3 trailer is what appears to be the Grendal assault rifle. Though not much is given about this weapon, the assault rifle resembles the [[Bushmaster ACR]], though the Crysis 2 assault rifle fires in bursts.
[[Image:Bushmasteracrentry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bushmaster ACR Entry Carbine, 5.56x45mm NATO/7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Crysis2Weapon.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Grendel assault rifle in Crysis 2. Note that this level resembles the same place in the level Contact where Nomad stopped his first GPS jammer.]]

==20mm Korean machine gun==
The 20mm machine gun from [[Crysis|Crysis Warhead]] returns and features the same characteristics as in the previous game though this game now lets you use it as a man-portable machine gun.
[[Image:C2-20mmmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 20mm machine gun in portable mode.]]

==Mk. 60==
Seen in the "Limited Edition" trailer is an [[M60#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3]] under the name "Mk. 60".
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:C2-M60E3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Player holding M60E3 in "Limited Edition" trailer.]]

==GE M134 Minigun==
A door-mounted [[GE M134 Minigun]] with a longer barrel is seen on a helicopter in "The Wall" trailer.
[[Image:GeneralElectricM134MinigunOriginalSpadeGripMount.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 with first pattern spade grip mount and crosshair sights.]]
[[Image:M134-C2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 minigun door-mounted on a U.S. military helicopter.]]

==K-Volt electric gun==
The player Alcatraz is seen firing a K-Volt electric gun at an alien Ceph unit in "Be The Weapon" trailer. Appears to be a [[TDI Vector]] with a near-complete tan finish and lack of a magazine.
[[Image:Krisssuperv.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TDI Vector - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KVolt-C2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The TDI Vector being fired at an alien Ceph unit.]]

==Feline SMG==
Feline SMG, a bullpup SMG with a 60 (+1) round magazine. It is very similar to the real life assault rifle FN F2000.

==Jackal shotgun==
Jackal shotgun, a semi-automatic shotgun with a 7 (+1) round box magazine. looks like a Hawk Semi-Auto Tactical shotgun or Valtro PM5.

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[[Category:Science-Fiction]]
[[Category:War]]
[[Category:Disaster]]

Talk:Death Sentence

2011-01-03T16:36:32Z

Acora: /* 1911 or 1991? */

==1911 or 1991?==
Stop changing this back to a straight 1911, it's a 1991, the slide markings and gun build show that.

No, your wrong there, is no such thing as a 1991, a 1911 made in 1991 is still a 1911.

You're wrong. There are different models of the 1911, so there are different names for those models. You can't just call them all one name because they originated from that one model.

Colt made the M1991A1 picking up from the serial number of the last 1911s they had made. The gun Kevin Bacon uses is very clearly a M-1991A1. It is very obvious in the scene in the shed. The 1991 grips were black polymer with the Colt logo in the middle. Check it and see.

Exactly! Thank You!

You are still wrong, I realize that there are many models of 1911. But they are still 1911's weather Colt, Springfield, or even Sig makes them. Colt had several models but NONE OF THEM were ever called "1991" BOO YAH!

You are ALL wrong. First, Colt DID make a M1991A1, and it had black RUBBER grips with the Colt logo in the center, not plastic polymer. Second, Several 1911 variants have black grips, even if only ones made by Colt have the Colt logo, that black grip was not exclusive to the 1991. Third and most important, This is NOT a M1991A1. you can see that if you pause it almost anytime when the thug has it on the garage roof scene, as well as in the final gunfight right after Kevin Bacon kills the black dude. Yes boys, this was a movie set, not real life, so they recycle props. It's the same gun both times. Both times you get a good look at the slide and it DOES NOT read M1991A1. Lets give this one a rest

Colt 1991 pistol: http://www.proguns.com/colt-1991series.asp

*Can we have some screencaps of this? This discussion is pretty interesting to me.
:The rollmarks on the 1991A1 Colt's are very large, on the screencaps I took I didn't see it. So I went with 1911. Most likely some off brand. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the M1991A1. alongside the Colt Python]]
[[Image:DS-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|1911]]
:That's nice, but simply saying it's a 1991 and showing a sideshot of it does not prove your point. I see no markings that indicate that it's a 1991, and the fact that it has black rubber grips does not mean that it's a 1991, as many other 1911 variants come with nearly identical grips, and besides, you can easily add different grips to almost any 1911. Therefore, I'm changing it back, and you can bitch about it if you want, but until you provide actual evidence that it's a 1991, I'll make sure it stays a 1911 on the page, as that's much more likely the case. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well I reverted your edits Acora, when I screencapped it I changed it from a M1991A1 to M1911A1, another user changed it back it to a 1991. After looking at M1991A1 pics more closely, I have to agree. While there is never a good clear view of the rollmarks. It resembles the 1991 series more than any of the others. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M1991A1]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1R.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M1991A1]]
Predator, it resembles a blued 1911A1 with black grips that bear the Colt logo. That, quite honestly, could be nearly ''any'' 1911 variant, so unless we see a good shot of the rollmarks, we can't make a conclusive judgement. Seeing as other then possibly this case, I haven't seen any 1991A1's in any film whatsoever, it's much more likely a standard 1911. Besides, the rollmarks should be fairly easy to see, if they were there, and I don't see anything on our screenshots. Therefore, I'm changing it back. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 11:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
::You haven't seen it listed in any in film, because most likely there haven't been any good close ups to say it was. More often than not, when we see a 1911 in film. Chances are there is never any good identifying marks of the make. So we just call it a M1911A1, when it could be a Series 70 or 80 Colt, Springfield whatever. Take [[Heaven's Prisoners]]. If there wasn't this one close up of the gun, I would have went about calling it a M1911A1 when it's actually a Colt MK IV Series 80. Which is why I added this note in the [[M1911A1]] section. :

''Note many in the list below could actually be Colt Mark IV Series 70/80 Government Models, Springfield Armory, or another manufacturer. Instead of a former military issued M1911A1, unless its a war film. Since the markings of the gun aren't always clear, M1911A1 is a catch-all term. Being most 1911 manufacturers pistols are based off the M1911A1 platform.''

[[Image:HP-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heaven's Prisoners. Note Colt MK IV Series 80 on the slide.]]

I reverted you edits again and locked the page. The rollmarks may not ''clearly'' show Colt M1991A1 it's rollmark style says it does. While it's just a screencap, it also has the plastic looking trigger found on them also. Lastly the grips found on them (M1991A1) and some other Series 80 Colts. While they could be changed, why would they do that? I tell you one thing else it's not an actual [[M1911A1]]. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
:So, what you're saying is, if there's no actual proof that it's a certain variation of a firearm, but I think it is, I should just change it and have the page locked? Yes, that's a brilliant way to actually determine what kind of firearm it is. Point being, we cannot determine whether it's actually a 1991 or not, and therefore, it's stupid to claim that it is one. There is no concrete evidence to it being one, and while you claim the rollmark style proves that it's a 1991, I strongly disagree. I cannot even see any rollmarks on the gun, just a large patch of discoloration where almost any rollmarks could fit. But obviously, you're going to keep it as a 1991, even though you haven't proven that it is such. Fine. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 16:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

==Pump shotgun help==
I though this was a Winchester 1200, but it has a rounded bolt. The receiver is closest to a Stevens 67, but the magazine tube end isn't the same. I got tired of looking. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-PUMP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Possible misquote?==
There is a screencapped picture of Bones holding the Desert Eagle. Underneath it says: "...half cannon." I could've sworn he said "Hand cannon." That would make more sense IMO.
:The way John Goodman ("Fred Flintstone" in another movie) pronounces it "half cannon," actually. Maybe the script originally meant for Goodman to say "Half cannon, half sword of justice!"--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

He said "Half Cannon" for sure, I had subtitles on while I watched the movie. I assumed he said "Half Cannon" referring to the .50 caliber bullet being half an inch in diameter, hence "Half Cannon". --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 05:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

==Nick's weapons choices==
All in all, what is the general opinion on the guns Nick opts for.
Here's what I think:

Rossi Overlander-Not a very good choice, because of the slow reload time. Although, it is shown that Nick is relatively unfamiliar with firearms, so the simplicity may have been why he chose it.

1911-Good. All-around solid gun.

Colt Python-I believe picked more for intimidation than combat use. Nick like that the gun was big and scary looking.

What do y'all think?

:My real question is why he didn't go to a gun show and get some real firepower. There's plenty of firepower to be had there, without many people asking questions, like Maadi ARMs. The Overland shotgun is a bit cumbersome, optimized for hunting animals and not for shooting other people when they're filling you full of holes while you're trying to reload, so I think it was purely an aesthetic choice on the Director's part, so the viewers could see the intimidating sight of a long gun with the constant sound of Nick loading it and racking it closed. But if the gang members could get pump action shotguns, why not Nick?

:The Colt M1911 is good as a backup weapon, but sometimes I wonder if it's a double-stack variant given how many times he fired without reloading during the final gunfight. For practicality reasons, maybe he should have gotten a 9x19mm firearm loaded with JHPs instead for a "last ditch weapon." I can only see FMJ bullets in the screenshots. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::You're showing your Britishness again. (1.) The Maadi ARM has not been imported to the U.S. for over 20 years, so unless you stumble upon an (over-priced) pre-89 example, you're not gonna find them, (2.) FFLs at gun shows are subject to the same regulations that apply anywhere. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::"You're showing your Britishness again." Yes he is. There is no gun show loophole, if you've been to one you'd know. I have been to several gun shows. It's usually about 90 to 95% dealers that are subject to paperwork. Very few individuals. Nick did not have a record and could have easily went into a gun store and bought what he needed no problem, but he needed them right then. About Nick's weapon choices I guess the double barrel was chosen because that might have been what he hunted with years before and knew how to operate. He had a hard time figuring out the 1911 and Python. He could have picked up the 870 off Baggy, but didn't because he didn't know to use it most likely. The 1911 was a single stack with the reloading cut out, like they do in most films. He is seen reloading it in the stairwell though.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not British, and I don't want to muck up this discussion page about gun control--there's a thread in the forums about that. But regardless of my inexperience with gun show minutiae, I think Nick could definitely have gotten a bigger variety of weaponry more suited to his vendetta at a gun show, and possibly at more competitive prices rather than just one questionable person who could command his prices (at a marketplace, if someone isn't offering you a product at the price you want, you can always go to someone else). I do suppose that the director wanted that moment of tension when Goodman's character asked Nick whether he was after Billy, though. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::You're not British? Aussie then? The "minutiae" about gun shows that you speak of is no trivial matter. I'd rather you didn't promote ignorance of American gun laws on here, especially since you've already admitted your lack of experience with real guns on our forum (whereas Predator and I actually own and shoot guns in real life, not just in video games).

:::Anyway, Nick most likely didn't go to a gun show because (1.) he probably didn't intend to get caught, in which case, legally-purchased firearms would have been all too easy to trace, and (2.) he might have lived in a city or state with waiting periods and/or registration, in which case, again, going to a gun show is less ideal than going to an illegal arms dealer. Bones Darley obviously had a pretty good variety of weapons in the safe (including automatics), so actually, Nick was probably better going to him, anyway. And given that he's trying to avenge his family, I highly doubt he cared about money (as evidenced by the extra cash he gave Bones). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I dont know about you folks, but they only have gun shows once a month were i live. I doubt he wanted to wait a month + 5 day waiting period.

A question, then: Why'd he take the DB and not, for example, the Cobray streetsweeper next to it?
Edit: I think I may've figured out why he went to Bones. Simply put: He didn't know where else to go. Obviously, Nick doesn't know much about guns, so he didn't know where he could find stores/shows. In the bar, he tells the Spanish guy: "I need to buy some guns." As in, "Tell me where to find guns." He was already nearby, so he thought he'd kill two birds with one stone. (find Billy, and get some guns.)

== Revenge is the best ammunition . . . ==

Because according to this movie it can make a shotgun shell blow off someone's leg (partly believable if Kevin Bacon's character was using shotgun slugs instead), blow that same person five feet away (which violates the laws of physics), and let you fire a 7 or 8 shot pistol 15+(!) times without having to reload. Also, it lets you cut a van in half with your muscle car.

Sure, it's "artistic license." But still, there were other ways, less implausible ways to accomplish some of that stuff in the final gunfight in "the Office." If Nick had realistically incapacitated the van driver by crushing the door in with his own car, he could have taken the van driver's MAC-10 and could use it for some "suppression fire" while running from one side of the gang's Drug Lab to another. He could have taken Hecto's pistol and searched for any ammunition in his residence for some more suppression fire capability before resorting to his own M1911A1. Anyone have thoughts on this? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The only logic I can think of is that Nick wasn't thinking straight. He wasn't going to pause and pickup ammo. He was so hell-bent on killing Billy .

Also, where Nick blows the man's leg off, I can understand the second shot making him fall over (since he'd be off balance.) But not blasting him through the air.

The movie is awesome, who really cares? - ZeoRanger5

== Mix and match ==

Did anybody notice the manuals and accessories that Bones gave Nick didn't seem to match the guns he bought? The top manual looked like it was for one of these cheap zinc model guns, like a Jennings or Bryco pistol you'd find in .380 ACP.

I noticed that too. I assumed that Bones thought that Nick wouldn't notice and/or care. -SasquatchJim.

Talk:Death Sentence

2011-01-03T11:53:38Z

Acora: /* 1911 or 1991? */

==1911 or 1991?==
Stop changing this back to a straight 1911, it's a 1991, the slide markings and gun build show that.

No, your wrong there, is no such thing as a 1991, a 1911 made in 1991 is still a 1911.

You're wrong. There are different models of the 1911, so there are different names for those models. You can't just call them all one name because they originated from that one model.

Colt made the M1991A1 picking up from the serial number of the last 1911s they had made. The gun Kevin Bacon uses is very clearly a M-1991A1. It is very obvious in the scene in the shed. The 1991 grips were black polymer with the Colt logo in the middle. Check it and see.

Exactly! Thank You!

You are still wrong, I realize that there are many models of 1911. But they are still 1911's weather Colt, Springfield, or even Sig makes them. Colt had several models but NONE OF THEM were ever called "1991" BOO YAH!

You are ALL wrong. First, Colt DID make a M1991A1, and it had black RUBBER grips with the Colt logo in the center, not plastic polymer. Second, Several 1911 variants have black grips, even if only ones made by Colt have the Colt logo, that black grip was not exclusive to the 1991. Third and most important, This is NOT a M1991A1. you can see that if you pause it almost anytime when the thug has it on the garage roof scene, as well as in the final gunfight right after Kevin Bacon kills the black dude. Yes boys, this was a movie set, not real life, so they recycle props. It's the same gun both times. Both times you get a good look at the slide and it DOES NOT read M1991A1. Lets give this one a rest

Colt 1991 pistol: http://www.proguns.com/colt-1991series.asp

*Can we have some screencaps of this? This discussion is pretty interesting to me.
:The rollmarks on the 1991A1 Colt's are very large, on the screencaps I took I didn't see it. So I went with 1911. Most likely some off brand. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the M1991A1. alongside the Colt Python]]
[[Image:DS-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|1911]]
:That's nice, but simply saying it's a 1991 and showing a sideshot of it does not prove your point. I see no markings that indicate that it's a 1991, and the fact that it has black rubber grips does not mean that it's a 1991, as many other 1911 variants come with nearly identical grips, and besides, you can easily add different grips to almost any 1911. Therefore, I'm changing it back, and you can bitch about it if you want, but until you provide actual evidence that it's a 1991, I'll make sure it stays a 1911 on the page, as that's much more likely the case. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well I reverted your edits Acora, when I screencapped it I changed it from a M1991A1 to M1911A1, another user changed it back it to a 1991. After looking at M1991A1 pics more closely, I have to agree. While there is never a good clear view of the rollmarks. It resembles the 1991 series more than any of the others. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M1991A1]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1R.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M1991A1]]
Predator, it resembles a blued 1911A1 with black grips that bear the Colt logo. That, quite honestly, could be nearly ''any'' 1911 variant, so unless we see a good shot of the rollmarks, we can't make a conclusive judgement. Seeing as other then possibly this case, I haven't seen any 1991A1's in any film whatsoever, it's much more likely a standard 1911. Besides, the rollmarks should be fairly easy to see, if they were there, and I don't see anything on our screenshots. Therefore, I'm changing it back. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 11:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

==Pump shotgun help==
I though this was a Winchester 1200, but it has a rounded bolt. The receiver is closest to a Stevens 67, but the magazine tube end isn't the same. I got tired of looking. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-PUMP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Possible misquote?==
There is a screencapped picture of Bones holding the Desert Eagle. Underneath it says: "...half cannon." I could've sworn he said "Hand cannon." That would make more sense IMO.
:The way John Goodman ("Fred Flintstone" in another movie) pronounces it "half cannon," actually. Maybe the script originally meant for Goodman to say "Half cannon, half sword of justice!"--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

He said "Half Cannon" for sure, I had subtitles on while I watched the movie. I assumed he said "Half Cannon" referring to the .50 caliber bullet being half an inch in diameter, hence "Half Cannon". --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 05:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

==Nick's weapons choices==
All in all, what is the general opinion on the guns Nick opts for.
Here's what I think:

Rossi Overlander-Not a very good choice, because of the slow reload time. Although, it is shown that Nick is relatively unfamiliar with firearms, so the simplicity may have been why he chose it.

1911-Good. All-around solid gun.

Colt Python-I believe picked more for intimidation than combat use. Nick like that the gun was big and scary looking.

What do y'all think?

:My real question is why he didn't go to a gun show and get some real firepower. There's plenty of firepower to be had there, without many people asking questions, like Maadi ARMs. The Overland shotgun is a bit cumbersome, optimized for hunting animals and not for shooting other people when they're filling you full of holes while you're trying to reload, so I think it was purely an aesthetic choice on the Director's part, so the viewers could see the intimidating sight of a long gun with the constant sound of Nick loading it and racking it closed. But if the gang members could get pump action shotguns, why not Nick?

:The Colt M1911 is good as a backup weapon, but sometimes I wonder if it's a double-stack variant given how many times he fired without reloading during the final gunfight. For practicality reasons, maybe he should have gotten a 9x19mm firearm loaded with JHPs instead for a "last ditch weapon." I can only see FMJ bullets in the screenshots. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::You're showing your Britishness again. (1.) The Maadi ARM has not been imported to the U.S. for over 20 years, so unless you stumble upon an (over-priced) pre-89 example, you're not gonna find them, (2.) FFLs at gun shows are subject to the same regulations that apply anywhere. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::"You're showing your Britishness again." Yes he is. There is no gun show loophole, if you've been to one you'd know. I have been to several gun shows. It's usually about 90 to 95% dealers that are subject to paperwork. Very few individuals. Nick did not have a record and could have easily went into a gun store and bought what he needed no problem, but he needed them right then. About Nick's weapon choices I guess the double barrel was chosen because that might have been what he hunted with years before and knew how to operate. He had a hard time figuring out the 1911 and Python. He could have picked up the 870 off Baggy, but didn't because he didn't know to use it most likely. The 1911 was a single stack with the reloading cut out, like they do in most films. He is seen reloading it in the stairwell though.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not British, and I don't want to muck up this discussion page about gun control--there's a thread in the forums about that. But regardless of my inexperience with gun show minutiae, I think Nick could definitely have gotten a bigger variety of weaponry more suited to his vendetta at a gun show, and possibly at more competitive prices rather than just one questionable person who could command his prices (at a marketplace, if someone isn't offering you a product at the price you want, you can always go to someone else). I do suppose that the director wanted that moment of tension when Goodman's character asked Nick whether he was after Billy, though. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::You're not British? Aussie then? The "minutiae" about gun shows that you speak of is no trivial matter. I'd rather you didn't promote ignorance of American gun laws on here, especially since you've already admitted your lack of experience with real guns on our forum (whereas Predator and I actually own and shoot guns in real life, not just in video games).

:::Anyway, Nick most likely didn't go to a gun show because (1.) he probably didn't intend to get caught, in which case, legally-purchased firearms would have been all too easy to trace, and (2.) he might have lived in a city or state with waiting periods and/or registration, in which case, again, going to a gun show is less ideal than going to an illegal arms dealer. Bones Darley obviously had a pretty good variety of weapons in the safe (including automatics), so actually, Nick was probably better going to him, anyway. And given that he's trying to avenge his family, I highly doubt he cared about money (as evidenced by the extra cash he gave Bones). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I dont know about you folks, but they only have gun shows once a month were i live. I doubt he wanted to wait a month + 5 day waiting period.

A question, then: Why'd he take the DB and not, for example, the Cobray streetsweeper next to it?
Edit: I think I may've figured out why he went to Bones. Simply put: He didn't know where else to go. Obviously, Nick doesn't know much about guns, so he didn't know where he could find stores/shows. In the bar, he tells the Spanish guy: "I need to buy some guns." As in, "Tell me where to find guns." He was already nearby, so he thought he'd kill two birds with one stone. (find Billy, and get some guns.)

== Revenge is the best ammunition . . . ==

Because according to this movie it can make a shotgun shell blow off someone's leg (partly believable if Kevin Bacon's character was using shotgun slugs instead), blow that same person five feet away (which violates the laws of physics), and let you fire a 7 or 8 shot pistol 15+(!) times without having to reload. Also, it lets you cut a van in half with your muscle car.

Sure, it's "artistic license." But still, there were other ways, less implausible ways to accomplish some of that stuff in the final gunfight in "the Office." If Nick had realistically incapacitated the van driver by crushing the door in with his own car, he could have taken the van driver's MAC-10 and could use it for some "suppression fire" while running from one side of the gang's Drug Lab to another. He could have taken Hecto's pistol and searched for any ammunition in his residence for some more suppression fire capability before resorting to his own M1911A1. Anyone have thoughts on this? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The only logic I can think of is that Nick wasn't thinking straight. He wasn't going to pause and pickup ammo. He was so hell-bent on killing Billy .

Also, where Nick blows the man's leg off, I can understand the second shot making him fall over (since he'd be off balance.) But not blasting him through the air.

The movie is awesome, who really cares? - ZeoRanger5

== Mix and match ==

Did anybody notice the manuals and accessories that Bones gave Nick didn't seem to match the guns he bought? The top manual looked like it was for one of these cheap zinc model guns, like a Jennings or Bryco pistol you'd find in .380 ACP.

I noticed that too. I assumed that Bones thought that Nick wouldn't notice and/or care. -SasquatchJim.

Death Sentence

2011-01-03T11:52:34Z

Acora: Undo revision 373417 by Predator20 (Talk)

''Death Sentence'' is the 2007 thriller starring [[Kevin Bacon]] as a man pushed over the edge when his family is brutally attacked by a vicious gang. The film was directed by James Wan ([[Saw]]) and was based on the novel of the same name by Brian Garfield, who wrote it as a sequel to his book ''Death Wish'', which was made into the 1974 [[Death Wish|Charles Bronson film]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Death Sentence'':'''
[[Image:DeathSentencePoster.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Death Sentence'' (2007)]]
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== Rossi Overland Double-Barreled 12 Gauge Shotgun==
Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) chooses a double-barrel .12 gauge [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun as his primary weapon in his mission against Darley's gang for revenge. The Rossi Overland is typically seen with 20 inch barrels, this is the 26 inch barrel variant.
[[Image:Rossi Overland.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Rossi Overland Shotgun with 26" barrels]]
[[Image:Death-sentence-firstlook.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) with his double-barreled 12 Gauge Rossi Overland shotgun inside the office.]]
[[Image:DS-DBSG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick checks the Rossi Overland shotgun before buying.]]
[[Image:DS-DBSG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick gets familiar with his Rossi Overland shotgun.]]
[[Image:DS-DBSG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick fires his Rossi Overland shotgun at Baggy.]]

==Mossberg 500==

A couple of 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] Persuader shotguns can be seen in the hands of Billy Darley ([[Garrett Hedlund]]) and another gang member in the murder scene at the gas station, it is used by Billy to blow away the clerk when he goes for his .38 [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] revolver. It can also be seen in the hands of Jamie ([[Dennis Keiffer]]) in the battle inside "the office".
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 - 12 gauge. Without modifications.]]
[[Image:DS-MOSS500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy shoots the clerk with a Mossberg 500.]]
[[Image:DS-MOSS500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy and another member with their Mossberg 500's as they flee the gas station.]]

==Remington 870==

A sawed-off pistol gripped [[Remington 870]] shotgun can be seen in the raid on the Hume residence in the hands of Baggy ([[Kanin J. Howell]]) and again in the scene at "The Office" near the end shortly before Nick kills him with his [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun.
[[Image:SawnoffShotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 12 gauge with sawed off barrel and stock]]
[[Image:DS-870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy fires his 870 at Nick as he runs upstairs.]]
[[Image:DS-870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy pumps another round in his shotgun.]]

== Colt M1991A1 ==

Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) decides on an [[M1911A1]] pistol as his main sidearm after purchasing it from Bones ([[John Goodman]]). Another M1911A1 can also be seen in the hands of the gang member known as Tommy ([[Freddy Bouciegues]]) who fires it multiple times at Nick in the parking garage. Most likely the same prop being reused. [[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 Pistol Commercial - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KevinBaconDeathSentence.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Nick inspects his M1991A1]]
[[Image:DS-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tommy fires his M1911A1 at Nick as he jumps into a Ford Taurus for cover.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the M1911A1. alongside the Colt Python]]
[[Image:DS-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the M1911A1.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick loads up several mags of the M1911A1 with FMJ rounds.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up shot of the M1911A1 as Nick gets comfortable with it. Note the broken rear sight, the hard life of movie guns.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick fires his M1911A1 at Billy in the final shootout.]]

== Colt Python==
Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) opts for a .357 Magnum [[Colt Python]] revolver with the 6 inch barrel and nickel finish as one of the two handguns he buys. He uses it to execute Billy Darley & Hecto.
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|[[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum 6in]]
[[Image:DSRevolver.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Promotional image of Nick Hume with the Colt Python & the M1911A1 & the Rossi Overland shotgun]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the Python for Nick to check.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick aims the Python.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After trying several types of ammo, Nick finally finds some that fits.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good view of the Python as Nick gets familiar with it.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick executes Hecto with the Python. Note the CG muzzle flash for the actors safety.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick asks Billy if he's ready.]]

==Magnum Research Inc. Mark VII Desert Eagle==
Bones Darley ([[John Goodman]]) recommends that Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) consider the [[Desert Eagle]] for his vigilante needs. He refers to the Desert Eagle as the "sword of justice" and the "king of mayhem." Nick opts for a .357 magnum [[Colt Python]] revolver, an [[M1911A1]] and a long 12-gauge [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun instead.

[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|390px|Desert Eagle MK VII - .44 Magnum w/ nickel finish. This is the exact version of Desert Eagle used in the film.]]
[[Image:DS-DE-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"And you got the king of mayhem. Half cannon, sword of justice. Take this fucker to the Holy Land start your own crusade."'' Bones Darley shows the Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:DS-DE-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the Desert Eagle for Nick to check. He opts for the Python and 1911 instead.]]
[[Image:DS-DE-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones with the Desert Eagle as he ask Nick if he's after his son Billy.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Billy Darley ([[Garrett Hedlund]]) is seen throughout the movie using a 9mm [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol as his weapon of choice.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Tn2_death_sentence_1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Billy with his 92FS as he & his gang run down the alley]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy with his Beretta 92FS as he tries to think of where Nick ran off to.]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Billy executes Nick's wife..]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy fires a Beretta 92FS at Nick as he approaches with his shotgun.]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy takes cover as Nick fires his shotgun.]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy fires his Beretta at Nick in the final standoff.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun==
A [[Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun]] is seen in the hands of one of the gang members during the gas station scene & during the raid on the Hume residence & in the shootout at "the Office''.
[[Image:S&W3000shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 3000 shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gang member with his shotgun in the gas station scene]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gang member with his shotgun in the Hume residence]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gang member with his shotgun at "the Office"]]

==Sig Sauer P226==
Bodie ([[Edi Gathegi]]) is armed with a 9mm [[Sig Sauer P226]] throughout much of the film, specifically near the end during the shoot-out in "The Office". The P226 can also be seen on Heco's ([[Hector Atreyu Ruiz]]) coffee table when Nick ([[Kevin Bacon]]) busts in & prevents him from accessing it however with a blast from his [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun to the table.
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|250px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]
[[Image:DS-SIG226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bodie draws his Sig Sauer P226 as he prepares to shoot Nick in the street. ]]
[[Image:DS-SIG226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecto? with a P226 as they see a Ford Taurus drop off the top of the parking garage.]]
[[Image:DS-SIG226-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecto's P226 resting on the coffee table.]]

==Colt Gold Cup National Match==
Bones Darley ([[John Goodman]]) is seen with a [[1911|Colt Gold Cup National Match]] as his son Billy drops off the money from the drug sales.
[[Image:ColtGoldCupNatMatchSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80) with stainless steel finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:DS-1911NM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the grips.]]
[[Image:DS-1911NM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones ejects several rounds at Billy for the money being light from last nights deals. Note the slanted slide serrations.]]

==Glock 27==
Detective Wallis ([[Aisha Tyler]]) carries a .40 [[Glock 27]] pistol as her sidearm throughout the film, it can be seen out of the holster and in her hand as she approaches the Hume residence near the end of the film.
[[Image:G27.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 27 .40 S&W]]
[[Image:DS-GLOCK27.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Wallis with her Glock 27 drawn.]]

==MAC-10==
Spink ([[Leigh Whannell]]) can be seen pulling a .45 [[MAC-10]] off the dash of his parked van upon noticing Nick Hume speeding toward the van in the Plymouth duster. He has no time to get off a shot however. It can also be seen on the wall of Bones' safe when Mr. Hume is buying weapons from him.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 open bolt submachine gun - .45 ACP]]‎
[[Image:DS-MAC10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spink chamber a MAC-10 as Nick approaches.]]

=Bones' Armory=
==Sig Sauer P229R==
The stainless version of a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P229|SIG-Sauer P229R]] can be seen on the wall inside Bones' vault when Nick goes to purchase weapons.
[[Image:SIG-SauerP229R.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]

==Glock 19==
A two-tone [[Glock 19]] with the slide chromed can be seen on the inside wall of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons. It was the sidearm of the Columbia Police Department in the film.
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Taurus PT945==
A .45 [[Taurus PT945]] pistol can be seen on the inside wall of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:945SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT945 .45 ACP]]

==Remington Model 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] can be seen on the rack inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]]‎

==Smith & Wesson Model 64 Snub==
The clerk at the gas station scene sttempts to reach for his .38 [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] snubnose revolver that he kept behind the counter before Billy kills him with his .12 gauge [[Mossberg 500]] Persuader shotgun.

==Cobray Street Sweeper==
A [[Armsel Striker and variants#Armsel Striker|Cobray Street Sweeper]] can be seen on the rack inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:SWD-StreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper 12-gauge]]

==Ruger Mini-14==
A [[Ruger Mini-14]] can be seen on the rack on the door inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Blued Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle (Pre-2005) with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

A folding stock equipped [[UZI]] knock-off can be seen on the rack on the door inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi 9x19mm]]

A [[Pietta PPS-50]] can be seen on the rack on the door inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.

A 9mm [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] can be seen on the inside wall of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9x19mm]]

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Talk:Death Sentence

2011-01-03T11:51:37Z

Acora: /* 1911 or 1991? */

==1911 or 1991?==
Stop changing this back to a straight 1911, it's a 1991, the slide markings and gun build show that.

No, your wrong there, is no such thing as a 1991, a 1911 made in 1991 is still a 1911.

You're wrong. There are different models of the 1911, so there are different names for those models. You can't just call them all one name because they originated from that one model.

Colt made the M1991A1 picking up from the serial number of the last 1911s they had made. The gun Kevin Bacon uses is very clearly a M-1991A1. It is very obvious in the scene in the shed. The 1991 grips were black polymer with the Colt logo in the middle. Check it and see.

Exactly! Thank You!

You are still wrong, I realize that there are many models of 1911. But they are still 1911's weather Colt, Springfield, or even Sig makes them. Colt had several models but NONE OF THEM were ever called "1991" BOO YAH!

You are ALL wrong. First, Colt DID make a M1991A1, and it had black RUBBER grips with the Colt logo in the center, not plastic polymer. Second, Several 1911 variants have black grips, even if only ones made by Colt have the Colt logo, that black grip was not exclusive to the 1991. Third and most important, This is NOT a M1991A1. you can see that if you pause it almost anytime when the thug has it on the garage roof scene, as well as in the final gunfight right after Kevin Bacon kills the black dude. Yes boys, this was a movie set, not real life, so they recycle props. It's the same gun both times. Both times you get a good look at the slide and it DOES NOT read M1991A1. Lets give this one a rest

Colt 1991 pistol: http://www.proguns.com/colt-1991series.asp

*Can we have some screencaps of this? This discussion is pretty interesting to me.
:The rollmarks on the 1991A1 Colt's are very large, on the screencaps I took I didn't see it. So I went with 1911. Most likely some off brand. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the M1991A1. alongside the Colt Python]]
[[Image:DS-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|1911]]
:That's nice, but simply saying it's a 1991 and showing a sideshot of it does not prove your point. I see no markings that indicate that it's a 1991, and the fact that it has black rubber grips does not mean that it's a 1991, as many other 1911 variants come with nearly identical grips, and besides, you can easily add different grips to almost any 1911. Therefore, I'm changing it back, and you can bitch about it if you want, but until you provide actual evidence that it's a 1991, I'll make sure it stays a 1911 on the page, as that's much more likely the case. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well I reverted your edits Acora, when I screencapped it I changed it from a M1991A1 to M1911A1, another user changed it back it to a 1991. After looking at M1991A1 pics more closely, I have to agree. While there is never a good clear view of the rollmarks. It resembles the 1991 series more than any of the others. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M1991A1]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1R.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M1991A1]]
Predator, it resembles a blued 1911A1 with black grips that bear the Colt logo. That, quite honestly, could be nearly ''any'' 1911 variant, so unless we see a good shot of the rollmarks, we can't make a conclusive judgement. Seeing as other then possibly this case, I haven't seen any 1991A1's in any film whatsoever, it's much more likely a standard 1911. Besides, the rollmarks should be fairly easy to see, if they were there, and I don't see anything on our screenshots. Therefore, I'm changing it back.

==Pump shotgun help==
I though this was a Winchester 1200, but it has a rounded bolt. The receiver is closest to a Stevens 67, but the magazine tube end isn't the same. I got tired of looking. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-PUMP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
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==Possible misquote?==
There is a screencapped picture of Bones holding the Desert Eagle. Underneath it says: "...half cannon." I could've sworn he said "Hand cannon." That would make more sense IMO.
:The way John Goodman ("Fred Flintstone" in another movie) pronounces it "half cannon," actually. Maybe the script originally meant for Goodman to say "Half cannon, half sword of justice!"--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

He said "Half Cannon" for sure, I had subtitles on while I watched the movie. I assumed he said "Half Cannon" referring to the .50 caliber bullet being half an inch in diameter, hence "Half Cannon". --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 05:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

==Nick's weapons choices==
All in all, what is the general opinion on the guns Nick opts for.
Here's what I think:

Rossi Overlander-Not a very good choice, because of the slow reload time. Although, it is shown that Nick is relatively unfamiliar with firearms, so the simplicity may have been why he chose it.

1911-Good. All-around solid gun.

Colt Python-I believe picked more for intimidation than combat use. Nick like that the gun was big and scary looking.

What do y'all think?

:My real question is why he didn't go to a gun show and get some real firepower. There's plenty of firepower to be had there, without many people asking questions, like Maadi ARMs. The Overland shotgun is a bit cumbersome, optimized for hunting animals and not for shooting other people when they're filling you full of holes while you're trying to reload, so I think it was purely an aesthetic choice on the Director's part, so the viewers could see the intimidating sight of a long gun with the constant sound of Nick loading it and racking it closed. But if the gang members could get pump action shotguns, why not Nick?

:The Colt M1911 is good as a backup weapon, but sometimes I wonder if it's a double-stack variant given how many times he fired without reloading during the final gunfight. For practicality reasons, maybe he should have gotten a 9x19mm firearm loaded with JHPs instead for a "last ditch weapon." I can only see FMJ bullets in the screenshots. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::You're showing your Britishness again. (1.) The Maadi ARM has not been imported to the U.S. for over 20 years, so unless you stumble upon an (over-priced) pre-89 example, you're not gonna find them, (2.) FFLs at gun shows are subject to the same regulations that apply anywhere. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::"You're showing your Britishness again." Yes he is. There is no gun show loophole, if you've been to one you'd know. I have been to several gun shows. It's usually about 90 to 95% dealers that are subject to paperwork. Very few individuals. Nick did not have a record and could have easily went into a gun store and bought what he needed no problem, but he needed them right then. About Nick's weapon choices I guess the double barrel was chosen because that might have been what he hunted with years before and knew how to operate. He had a hard time figuring out the 1911 and Python. He could have picked up the 870 off Baggy, but didn't because he didn't know to use it most likely. The 1911 was a single stack with the reloading cut out, like they do in most films. He is seen reloading it in the stairwell though.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not British, and I don't want to muck up this discussion page about gun control--there's a thread in the forums about that. But regardless of my inexperience with gun show minutiae, I think Nick could definitely have gotten a bigger variety of weaponry more suited to his vendetta at a gun show, and possibly at more competitive prices rather than just one questionable person who could command his prices (at a marketplace, if someone isn't offering you a product at the price you want, you can always go to someone else). I do suppose that the director wanted that moment of tension when Goodman's character asked Nick whether he was after Billy, though. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::You're not British? Aussie then? The "minutiae" about gun shows that you speak of is no trivial matter. I'd rather you didn't promote ignorance of American gun laws on here, especially since you've already admitted your lack of experience with real guns on our forum (whereas Predator and I actually own and shoot guns in real life, not just in video games).

:::Anyway, Nick most likely didn't go to a gun show because (1.) he probably didn't intend to get caught, in which case, legally-purchased firearms would have been all too easy to trace, and (2.) he might have lived in a city or state with waiting periods and/or registration, in which case, again, going to a gun show is less ideal than going to an illegal arms dealer. Bones Darley obviously had a pretty good variety of weapons in the safe (including automatics), so actually, Nick was probably better going to him, anyway. And given that he's trying to avenge his family, I highly doubt he cared about money (as evidenced by the extra cash he gave Bones). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I dont know about you folks, but they only have gun shows once a month were i live. I doubt he wanted to wait a month + 5 day waiting period.

A question, then: Why'd he take the DB and not, for example, the Cobray streetsweeper next to it?
Edit: I think I may've figured out why he went to Bones. Simply put: He didn't know where else to go. Obviously, Nick doesn't know much about guns, so he didn't know where he could find stores/shows. In the bar, he tells the Spanish guy: "I need to buy some guns." As in, "Tell me where to find guns." He was already nearby, so he thought he'd kill two birds with one stone. (find Billy, and get some guns.)

== Revenge is the best ammunition . . . ==

Because according to this movie it can make a shotgun shell blow off someone's leg (partly believable if Kevin Bacon's character was using shotgun slugs instead), blow that same person five feet away (which violates the laws of physics), and let you fire a 7 or 8 shot pistol 15+(!) times without having to reload. Also, it lets you cut a van in half with your muscle car.

Sure, it's "artistic license." But still, there were other ways, less implausible ways to accomplish some of that stuff in the final gunfight in "the Office." If Nick had realistically incapacitated the van driver by crushing the door in with his own car, he could have taken the van driver's MAC-10 and could use it for some "suppression fire" while running from one side of the gang's Drug Lab to another. He could have taken Hecto's pistol and searched for any ammunition in his residence for some more suppression fire capability before resorting to his own M1911A1. Anyone have thoughts on this? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The only logic I can think of is that Nick wasn't thinking straight. He wasn't going to pause and pickup ammo. He was so hell-bent on killing Billy .

Also, where Nick blows the man's leg off, I can understand the second shot making him fall over (since he'd be off balance.) But not blasting him through the air.

The movie is awesome, who really cares? - ZeoRanger5

== Mix and match ==

Did anybody notice the manuals and accessories that Bones gave Nick didn't seem to match the guns he bought? The top manual looked like it was for one of these cheap zinc model guns, like a Jennings or Bryco pistol you'd find in .380 ACP.

I noticed that too. I assumed that Bones thought that Nick wouldn't notice and/or care. -SasquatchJim.

Death Sentence

2011-01-02T14:40:04Z

Acora: /* Colt M1991A1 */

Death Sentence

2011-01-02T14:38:56Z

Acora: /* Colt M1991A1 */

''Death Sentence'' is the 2007 thriller starring [[Kevin Bacon]] as a man pushed over the edge when his family is brutally attacked by a vicious gang. The film was directed by James Wan ([[Saw]]) and was based on the novel of the same name by Brian Garfield, who wrote it as a sequel to his book ''Death Wish'', which was made into the 1974 [[Death Wish|Charles Bronson film]].

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Death Sentence'':'''
[[Image:DeathSentencePoster.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Death Sentence'' (2007)]]
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== Rossi Overland Double-Barreled 12 Gauge Shotgun==
Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) chooses a double-barrel .12 gauge [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun as his primary weapon in his mission against Darley's gang for revenge. The Rossi Overland is typically seen with 20 inch barrels, this is the 26 inch barrel variant.
[[Image:Rossi Overland.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Rossi Overland Shotgun with 26" barrels]]
[[Image:Death-sentence-firstlook.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) with his double-barreled 12 Gauge Rossi Overland shotgun inside the office.]]
[[Image:DS-DBSG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick checks the Rossi Overland shotgun before buying.]]
[[Image:DS-DBSG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick gets familiar with his Rossi Overland shotgun.]]
[[Image:DS-DBSG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick fires his Rossi Overland shotgun at Baggy.]]

==Mossberg 500==

A couple of 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] Persuader shotguns can be seen in the hands of Billy Darley ([[Garrett Hedlund]]) and another gang member in the murder scene at the gas station, it is used by Billy to blow away the clerk when he goes for his .38 [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] revolver. It can also be seen in the hands of Jamie ([[Dennis Keiffer]]) in the battle inside "the office".
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 - 12 gauge. Without modifications.]]
[[Image:DS-MOSS500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy shoots the clerk with a Mossberg 500.]]
[[Image:DS-MOSS500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy and another member with their Mossberg 500's as they flee the gas station.]]

==Remington 870==

A sawed-off pistol gripped [[Remington 870]] shotgun can be seen in the raid on the Hume residence in the hands of Baggy ([[Kanin J. Howell]]) and again in the scene at "The Office" near the end shortly before Nick kills him with his [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun.
[[Image:SawnoffShotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 12 gauge with sawed off barrel and stock]]
[[Image:DS-870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy fires his 870 at Nick as he runs upstairs.]]
[[Image:DS-870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy pumps another round in his shotgun.]]

== Colt M1991A1 ==

Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) decides on an [[M1911A1]] pistol as his main sidearm after purchasing it from Bones ([[John Goodman]]). Another M1911A1 can also be seen in the hands of the gang member known as Tommy ([[Freddy Bouciegues]]) who fires it multiple times at Nick in the parking garage. Most likely the same prop being reused. [[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|350px|left|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 Pistol Commercial - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KevinBaconDeathSentence.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Nick inspects his M1991A1]]
[[Image:DS-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tommy fires his M1911A1 at Nick as he jumps into a Ford Taurus for cover.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the M1911A1. alongside the Colt Python]]
[[Image:DS-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the M1911A1.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick loads up several mags of the M1911A1 with FMJ rounds.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up shot of the M1911A1 as Nick gets comfortable with it. Note the broken rear sight, the hard life of movie guns.]]
[[Image:DS-1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick fires his M1911A1 at Billy in the final shootout.]]

== Colt Python==
Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) opts for a .357 Magnum [[Colt Python]] revolver with the 6 inch barrel and nickel finish as one of the two handguns he buys. He uses it to execute Billy Darley & Hecto.
[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|[[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum 6in]]
[[Image:DSRevolver.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Promotional image of Nick Hume with the Colt Python & the M1911A1 & the Rossi Overland shotgun]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the Python for Nick to check.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick aims the Python.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After trying several types of ammo, Nick finally finds some that fits.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good view of the Python as Nick gets familiar with it.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick executes Hecto with the Python. Note the CG muzzle flash for the actors safety.]]
[[Image:DS-PYTHON-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nick asks Billy if he's ready.]]

==Magnum Research Inc. Mark VII Desert Eagle==
Bones Darley ([[John Goodman]]) recommends that Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) consider the [[Desert Eagle]] for his vigilante needs. He refers to the Desert Eagle as the "sword of justice" and the "king of mayhem." Nick opts for a .357 magnum [[Colt Python]] revolver, an [[M1911A1]] and a long 12-gauge [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun instead.

[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|390px|Desert Eagle MK VII - .44 Magnum w/ nickel finish. This is the exact version of Desert Eagle used in the film.]]
[[Image:DS-DE-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"And you got the king of mayhem. Half cannon, sword of justice. Take this fucker to the Holy Land start your own crusade."'' Bones Darley shows the Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:DS-DE-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones sets down the Desert Eagle for Nick to check. He opts for the Python and 1911 instead.]]
[[Image:DS-DE-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones with the Desert Eagle as he ask Nick if he's after his son Billy.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Billy Darley ([[Garrett Hedlund]]) is seen throughout the movie using a 9mm [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol as his weapon of choice.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Tn2_death_sentence_1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Billy with his 92FS as he & his gang run down the alley]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy with his Beretta 92FS as he tries to think of where Nick ran off to.]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Billy executes Nick's wife..]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy fires a Beretta 92FS at Nick as he approaches with his shotgun.]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baggy takes cover as Nick fires his shotgun.]]
[[Image:DS-BER92-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Billy fires his Beretta at Nick in the final standoff.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun==
A [[Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun]] is seen in the hands of one of the gang members during the gas station scene & during the raid on the Hume residence & in the shootout at "the Office''.
[[Image:S&W3000shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 3000 shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gang member with his shotgun in the gas station scene]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gang member with his shotgun in the Hume residence]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gang member with his shotgun at "the Office"]]

==Sig Sauer P226==
Bodie ([[Edi Gathegi]]) is armed with a 9mm [[Sig Sauer P226]] throughout much of the film, specifically near the end during the shoot-out in "The Office". The P226 can also be seen on Heco's ([[Hector Atreyu Ruiz]]) coffee table when Nick ([[Kevin Bacon]]) busts in & prevents him from accessing it however with a blast from his [[Rossi Overland]] shotgun to the table.
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|250px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]
[[Image:DS-SIG226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bodie draws his Sig Sauer P226 as he prepares to shoot Nick in the street. ]]
[[Image:DS-SIG226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecto? with a P226 as they see a Ford Taurus drop off the top of the parking garage.]]
[[Image:DS-SIG226-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecto's P226 resting on the coffee table.]]

==Colt Gold Cup National Match==
Bones Darley ([[John Goodman]]) is seen with a [[1911|Colt Gold Cup National Match]] as his son Billy drops off the money from the drug sales.
[[Image:ColtGoldCupNatMatchSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Gold Cup National Match (Mark IV, Series 80) with stainless steel finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:DS-1911NM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the grips.]]
[[Image:DS-1911NM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bones ejects several rounds at Billy for the money being light from last nights deals. Note the slanted slide serrations.]]

==Glock 27==
Detective Wallis ([[Aisha Tyler]]) carries a .40 [[Glock 27]] pistol as her sidearm throughout the film, it can be seen out of the holster and in her hand as she approaches the Hume residence near the end of the film.
[[Image:G27.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 27 .40 S&W]]
[[Image:DS-GLOCK27.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Wallis with her Glock 27 drawn.]]

==MAC-10==
Spink ([[Leigh Whannell]]) can be seen pulling a .45 [[MAC-10]] off the dash of his parked van upon noticing Nick Hume speeding toward the van in the Plymouth duster. He has no time to get off a shot however. It can also be seen on the wall of Bones' safe when Mr. Hume is buying weapons from him.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 open bolt submachine gun - .45 ACP]]‎
[[Image:DS-MAC10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spink chamber a MAC-10 as Nick approaches.]]

=Bones' Armory=
==Sig Sauer P229R==
The stainless version of a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P229|SIG-Sauer P229R]] can be seen on the wall inside Bones' vault when Nick goes to purchase weapons.
[[Image:SIG-SauerP229R.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]

==Glock 19==
A two-tone [[Glock 19]] with the slide chromed can be seen on the inside wall of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons. It was the sidearm of the Columbia Police Department in the film.
[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Taurus PT945==
A .45 [[Taurus PT945]] pistol can be seen on the inside wall of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume ([[Kevin Bacon]]) goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:945SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT945 .45 ACP]]

==Remington Model 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] can be seen on the rack inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge]]‎

==Smith & Wesson Model 64 Snub==
The clerk at the gas station scene sttempts to reach for his .38 [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] snubnose revolver that he kept behind the counter before Billy kills him with his .12 gauge [[Mossberg 500]] Persuader shotgun.

==Cobray Street Sweeper==
A [[Armsel Striker and variants#Armsel Striker|Cobray Street Sweeper]] can be seen on the rack inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:SWD-StreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper 12-gauge]]

==Ruger Mini-14==
A [[Ruger Mini-14]] can be seen on the rack on the door inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Blued Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle (Pre-2005) with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

A folding stock equipped [[UZI]] knock-off can be seen on the rack on the door inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi 9x19mm]]

A [[Pietta PPS-50]] can be seen on the rack on the door inside of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.

A 9mm [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] can be seen on the inside wall of Bones' gun vault in the scene where Nick Hume goes to buy weapons.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9x19mm]]

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Talk:Death Sentence

2011-01-02T14:31:23Z

Acora: /* 1911 or 1991? */

==1911 or 1991?==
Stop changing this back to a straight 1911, it's a 1991, the slide markings and gun build show that.

No, your wrong there, is no such thing as a 1991, a 1911 made in 1991 is still a 1911.

You're wrong. There are different models of the 1911, so there are different names for those models. You can't just call them all one name because they originated from that one model.

Colt made the M1991A1 picking up from the serial number of the last 1911s they had made. The gun Kevin Bacon uses is very clearly a M-1991A1. It is very obvious in the scene in the shed. The 1991 grips were black polymer with the Colt logo in the middle. Check it and see.

Exactly! Thank You!

You are still wrong, I realize that there are many models of 1911. But they are still 1911's weather Colt, Springfield, or even Sig makes them. Colt had several models but NONE OF THEM were ever called "1991" BOO YAH!

You are ALL wrong. First, Colt DID make a M1991A1, and it had black RUBBER grips with the Colt logo in the center, not plastic polymer. Second, Several 1911 variants have black grips, even if only ones made by Colt have the Colt logo, that black grip was not exclusive to the 1991. Third and most important, This is NOT a M1991A1. you can see that if you pause it almost anytime when the thug has it on the garage roof scene, as well as in the final gunfight right after Kevin Bacon kills the black dude. Yes boys, this was a movie set, not real life, so they recycle props. It's the same gun both times. Both times you get a good look at the slide and it DOES NOT read M1991A1. Lets give this one a rest

Colt 1991 pistol: http://www.proguns.com/colt-1991series.asp

*Can we have some screencaps of this? This discussion is pretty interesting to me.
:The rollmarks on the 1991A1 Colt's are very large, on the screencaps I took I didn't see it. So I went with 1911. Most likely some off brand. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|1911]]
:That's nice, but simply saying it's a 1991 and showing a sideshot of it does not prove your point. I see no markings that indicate that it's a 1991, and the fact that it has black rubber grips does not mean that it's a 1991, as many other 1911 variants come with nearly identical grips, and besides, you can easily add different grips to almost any 1911. Therefore, I'm changing it back, and you can bitch about it if you want, but until you provide actual evidence that it's a 1991, I'll make sure it stays a 1911 on the page, as that's much more likely the case. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

==Pump shotgun help==
I though this was a Winchester 1200, but it has a rounded bolt. The receiver is closest to a Stevens 67, but the magazine tube end isn't the same. I got tired of looking. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DS-PUMP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:DS-PUMP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Possible misquote?==
There is a screencapped picture of Bones holding the Desert Eagle. Underneath it says: "...half cannon." I could've sworn he said "Hand cannon." That would make more sense IMO.
:The way John Goodman ("Fred Flintstone" in another movie) pronounces it "half cannon," actually. Maybe the script originally meant for Goodman to say "Half cannon, half sword of justice!"--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Nick's weapons choices==
All in all, what is the general opinion on the guns Nick opts for.
Here's what I think:

Rossi Overlander-Not a very good choice, because of the slow reload time. Although, it is shown that Nick is relatively unfamiliar with firearms, so the simplicity may have been why he chose it.

1911-Good. All-around solid gun.

Colt Python-I believe picked more for intimidation than combat use. Nick like that the gun was big and scary looking.

What do y'all think?

:My real question is why he didn't go to a gun show and get some real firepower. There's plenty of firepower to be had there, without many people asking questions, like Maadi ARMs. The Overland shotgun is a bit cumbersome, optimized for hunting animals and not for shooting other people when they're filling you full of holes while you're trying to reload, so I think it was purely an aesthetic choice on the Director's part, so the viewers could see the intimidating sight of a long gun with the constant sound of Nick loading it and racking it closed. But if the gang members could get pump action shotguns, why not Nick?

:The Colt M1911 is good as a backup weapon, but sometimes I wonder if it's a double-stack variant given how many times he fired without reloading during the final gunfight. For practicality reasons, maybe he should have gotten a 9x19mm firearm loaded with JHPs instead for a "last ditch weapon." I can only see FMJ bullets in the screenshots. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::You're showing your Britishness again. (1.) The Maadi ARM has not been imported to the U.S. for over 20 years, so unless you stumble upon an (over-priced) pre-89 example, you're not gonna find them, (2.) FFLs at gun shows are subject to the same regulations that apply anywhere. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::"You're showing your Britishness again." Yes he is. There is no gun show loophole, if you've been to one you'd know. I have been to several gun shows. It's usually about 90 to 95% dealers that are subject to paperwork. Very few individuals. Nick did not have a record and could have easily went into a gun store and bought what he needed no problem, but he needed them right then. About Nick's weapon choices I guess the double barrel was chosen because that might have been what he hunted with years before and knew how to operate. He had a hard time figuring out the 1911 and Python. He could have picked up the 870 off Baggy, but didn't because he didn't know to use it most likely. The 1911 was a single stack with the reloading cut out, like they do in most films. He is seen reloading it in the stairwell though.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

::I'm not British, and I don't want to muck up this discussion page about gun control--there's a thread in the forums about that. But regardless of my inexperience with gun show minutiae, I think Nick could definitely have gotten a bigger variety of weaponry more suited to his vendetta at a gun show, and possibly at more competitive prices rather than just one questionable person who could command his prices (at a marketplace, if someone isn't offering you a product at the price you want, you can always go to someone else). I do suppose that the director wanted that moment of tension when Goodman's character asked Nick whether he was after Billy, though. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

:::You're not British? Aussie then? The "minutiae" about gun shows that you speak of is no trivial matter. I'd rather you didn't promote ignorance of American gun laws on here, especially since you've already admitted your lack of experience with real guns on our forum (whereas Predator and I actually own and shoot guns in real life, not just in video games).

:::Anyway, Nick most likely didn't go to a gun show because (1.) he probably didn't intend to get caught, in which case, legally-purchased firearms would have been all too easy to trace, and (2.) he might have lived in a city or state with waiting periods and/or registration, in which case, again, going to a gun show is less ideal than going to an illegal arms dealer. Bones Darley obviously had a pretty good variety of weapons in the safe (including automatics), so actually, Nick was probably better going to him, anyway. And given that he's trying to avenge his family, I highly doubt he cared about money (as evidenced by the extra cash he gave Bones). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I dont know about you folks, but they only have gun shows once a month were i live. I doubt he wanted to wait a month + 5 day waiting period.

A question, then: Why'd he take the DB and not, for example, the Cobray streetsweeper next to it?
Edit: I think I may've figured out why he went to Bones. Simply put: He didn't know where else to go. Obviously, Nick doesn't know much about guns, so he didn't know where he could find stores/shows. In the bar, he tells the Spanish guy: "I need to buy some guns." As in, "Tell me where to find guns." He was already nearby, so he thought he'd kill two birds with one stone. (find Billy, and get some guns.)

== Revenge is the best ammunition . . . ==

Because according to this movie it can make a shotgun shell blow off someone's leg (partly believable if Kevin Bacon's character was using shotgun slugs instead), blow that same person five feet away (which violates the laws of physics), and let you fire a 7 or 8 shot pistol 15+(!) times without having to reload. Also, it lets you cut a van in half with your muscle car.

Sure, it's "artistic license." But still, there were other ways, less implausible ways to accomplish some of that stuff in the final gunfight in "the Office." If Nick had realistically incapacitated the van driver by crushing the door in with his own car, he could have taken the van driver's MAC-10 and could use it for some "suppression fire" while running from one side of the gang's Drug Lab to another. He could have taken Hecto's pistol and searched for any ammunition in his residence for some more suppression fire capability before resorting to his own M1911A1. Anyone have thoughts on this? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The only logic I can think of is that Nick wasn't thinking straight. He wasn't going to pause and pickup ammo. He was so hell-bent on killing Billy .

Also, where Nick blows the man's leg off, I can understand the second shot making him fall over (since he'd be off balance.) But not blasting him through the air.

The movie is awesome, who really cares? - ZeoRanger5

== Mix and match ==

Did anybody notice the manuals and accessories that Bones gave Nick didn't seem to match the guns he bought? The top manual looked like it was for one of these cheap zinc model guns, like a Jennings or Bryco pistol you'd find in .380 ACP.

I noticed that too. I assumed that Bones thought that Nick wouldn't notice and/or care. -SasquatchJim.

Talk:Bushmaster ACR

2011-01-02T14:08:15Z

Acora: /* ACR fragility */

=ACR fragility=

News about this gun folks. The ACR has been reported to have several problems with the gas system. The piston seems to be very prone to breakdowns.
The quality is also really lousy and the plastic cracks easily. It looks like Remington's quality control no longer exists. Hughjefender
:Source? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Burn Notice

2010-12-27T09:32:37Z

Acora: /* Mike's Holster */ new section

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

they assault rifle Fiona got from Seymour (arms dealer) was an M4A1 carbine with what appeared to be an Ampoint (possibly ACOG) anpeq-2 and some type of verticle grip. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==SIG not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a P226

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

ha ha that funny . but id rather hang with michael . i like him . maybe pick up a few things . fight moves , learn to speak russian , and some super cool
spy stuff. im happy its on to night. simmons 8492

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

damn right brother , i love this show so much . simmons 8492

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg|thumb|none|400px ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911). And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now. Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==S04E06==

Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :<.

==S04E09==
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&K P30 on Michael

== Breaking Up By Season? ==

The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season. The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season. Thoughts? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe

== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the "laser targeting assist" she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 870==

wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the "water shell" is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
[[Image:Burn 266.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Burn 267.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the "water round." No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the "residue" could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Robert Patrick==

Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Jessie's Rifle==

Anyone know what Jessie was using when he "shot" Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Not a Remington 700? ==

Is this not a Remington 700? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]
I don't think this is correct, at least based on the picture of the 700PSS provided. Look at the bolt handle, not what on a factory Remington 700. And the stock is too glossy and smooth looking to be a tactical rifle

== H&K P30 or HK45? I think this gun is misidentified. ==

This looks more like a Heckler and Koch P30 than an HK45. They are very similar looking except the external safety on the HK45, the bottom of the magazine is different, and the HK45 is larger.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/41/BurnS4_309.jpg/500px-BurnS4_309.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c8/HH45.jpg/400px-HH45.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/12/HK-P30.jpg/350px-HK-P30.jpg

(I tried to post the pictures but couldn't get it to work). Notice the difference in the bottom of the magazine. The HK45 is also a full-size, the P30 is a compact. Notice the slight difference in the length of the slide. The gun in his hand looks more like a compact, and the slide looks shorter than the HK45. I'm new, so I'm not going to change anything myself. Just a suggestion.

SnakeDoc

Its definately A P30.. you can tell by the trigger guard

== New sidearm for Weston in Season 4? ==

The attached picture from Burn Notice may show Weston carrying an HK P30 9mm. (Again, I can't figure how to embed the picture).

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/113/1135169/burn-notice-20101117073255292_640w.jpg

It is a publicity still from the latest episode (aired in late November). If I recall the episode correctly, he drew the gun on his own (didn't recover it from someone else) and used it to shoot a fake chemical weapon cannister filled with tear gas and pesticide.
It looks like an H&K to me ... too small to be an HK45, not square enough to be a USP Compact. I'm pretty sure it isn't Weston's usual Sig, though I am unsure if it represents a permanent change in sidearm of choice.

Hope not, SIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HK, like is way better.

Its definatetly a P30. Personally i think a new gun would be good the P228 is outdated and is used by everybody in most T.V shows so a new gun like the P30 would be good.. OR stay with Sig and get the P229 E2

honestiy , i like the P228 with him . its been with him since the pilot so i say , if it aint broke dont fix it simmons 8492

Its his signature weapon, seriously signature weapons cant be changed.

:Yep, it's official: Michael Weston has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. I was a bit disappointed, as I hoped he would just get a newer SIG (i.e. the P229R, SP2022, or P250), but P30 it is. I figured it was inevitable at some point he was gonna switch sidearms. Actually, I'm surprised he had the 228 for as long as he did, considering the assortment of new(er) pistols that have been used by other characters on the show (like the Walther PPS, FN Five-Seven USG, and Springfield XD, among others). I would have figured it's a rule in Hollywood that the protagonist always has to have the best gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

XD was only briefly shown in one episode, I believe 5-7 was too. Look at Sam, conealing a beretta the whole series, Fiona likes her ppk and michael had a SIG. Now I have to see a HK.......Sigh. A PPS may be a better choice for a new gun for Fiona. And the 92 is a beast, maybe something SIG sized for Sam would be appropriate, hes also a former seal so it would make sense.

: Signature weapons can change occasionally. Jack Bauer switched from a Sig to an H&K USP Compact between Seasons 2 and 3 of 24 (he used the USPc for the remaining seasons). I don't mind the change. I actually like the P30 quite a bit personally, so its good to see it getting a bit more publicity. -- SnakeDoc

I hate HK, I mean, a rail that only takes their special accessories, instead of a standard rail everybody else uses, since there you know, too good for a streamlight or what not, and they got a mag release on the trigger guard instead of the grip. The sig is compact, accurate, reliable, and has the ergos right.

-k9870

: The P30 has a standard rail.

-looks like the 228 is back in the finale ;)

== Pistol in S04E15 "Brotherly Love" ==

Did anybody notice the gun that Michael gave to Sam in the loft, the one that he said that Fiona had modified to fire 3-round bursts? It only showed it for a second, so I didn't get a good lock at it, and I was just wondering if anybody here did and recognized it --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

HK VP70, I think. He probably meant Fiona altered it to fire burst without the stock attached.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that does indeed look like what I saw. Never even heard of that pistol before, and I consider myself somewhat of a gun nut, so it's cool to learn about a new gun. It's kind of neat how they build the selector switch into the stock mount. Thanks for the info! --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

== Mike's Holster ==

Anyone have any clue what holster Mike uses? You don't get a lot of good looks at it, but you get a fairly good one in Season 1's 'Unpaid Debts', when he's walking away from the screen after they kidnap the brother of the pimp. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Burn Notice

2010-12-19T17:59:45Z

Acora: /* SIG-Sauer P226 (Nickel) */

'''#5 LARGEST TELEVISION PAGE ON THE SITE'''

''Burn Notice'' is an American action series that currently airs on the USA Network. The series stars [[Jeffrey Donovan]] as Michael Westen, a spy who receives a "burn notice" from his CIA employers, indicating that he is no longer associated with the agency. Michael finds himself confined to the city of Miami, where his only allies are his former girlfriend and gundealer Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]), former Navy SEAL buddy Sam ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and his mother Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]). As Michael finds the clues to why he was "burned" and who is behind it, he finds himself helping others in need throughout the city.

{{TV Title|Burn Notice}}
[[Image:Burnnoticecover.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice'' (2007-present)]]

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P228==
The sidearm of choice for Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) is the [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|none|300px|thumb|SIG-Sauer P228 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNotice Donovan.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A promo image of Jeffrey Donovan as Michael Westen with a SIG-Sauer P228 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BN-P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close-up of Michael's P228 in the episode "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BNsig228fire.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "False Flag", Michael fires his repaired P228 at a propane tank with an open flame attached to it.]]
[[Image:BNsig228clear.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "False Flag", Michael aims his P228 at the assassin.]]
[[Image:BurNotice GabrielAnwar.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|A production image of Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) with a P228 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1082.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Fiona's SIG appears to be a non-gun version.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael pulls a SIG.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 (Two Tone)==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] two-tone model is carried by one of the Nigerian mercenaries in the pilot and nickel models have been used by many bad guys including Michael's mentor Larry ([[Tim Matheson]]) in Season 3. In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Brennen ([[Jay Karnes]]) holds a two toned SIG-Sauer P226 (with a silver slide but black hammer).
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone02.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 (two-tone)]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeSIG-SauerP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the pilot episode, a Nigerian mercenary holds a (two-tone) [[SIG-Sauer P226]] on Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) while escorting him to the hotel.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 118.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael's wounded brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) has a two toned SIG-Sauer P226 (with a silver slide but black hammer) put to his head by Brennen ([[Jay Karnes]]).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 (Nickel)==
A nickel [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by the kidnapper Reyes ([[Steven Bauer]]) in Season 1's "Hard Bargain". Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) holds a nickel SIG on Fiona in Season 4's "Blind Spot". It also seems to have become Jesse's preferred sidearm by the season finale of season 4.
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 (nickel) - 9x19mm]]]]
[[Image:BN-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", Michael gets a SIG put in his face by the kidnapper Reyes.]]
[[Image:BN-P226-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kidnapper Reyes ([[Steven Bauer]]) holds the SIG on Michael.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) holds a nickel SIG on Fiona in Season 4's "Blind Spot".]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is pulled by Henderson's bodyguard in Season 1's "Wanted Man".
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]
[[Image:BNsig226guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Wanted Man", a bodyguard draws his SIG-Sauer P226 on Mike when he takes his boss Henderson ([[Brett Cullen]]) hostage.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II==
In the Season 2 episode "Turn and Burn", the drug dealer Raul ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) carries a rare [[SIG-Sauer P226#SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II|SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II]] as his sidearm (when he isn't using a [[MAC-10]]). This weapon is also seen briefly in the Pilot episode in the hands of Boris, the wannabe warlord.

[[Image:Sig sauer p 226sl stainless steel.jpg|none|300px|thumb|SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 002.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Boris the wannabe warlord wields a SIG with a custom compenator as he intimidates Michael in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-352072.jpg|none|500px|thumb|A closeup of Raul's SIG Sport II in "Turn and Burn".]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-355275.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In Season 2's "Turn or Burn", Raul ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) holds his SIG on Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-355159.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]) is threatened with the SIG.]]

== SIG-Sauer P230 ==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a kidnapper pulls a [[SIG-Sauer P230]] at Michael.
[[Image:SigP230SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P230]]
[[Image:BNwaltherPPKsilver.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a kidnapper draws the SIG on Michael. This is a SIG P230 due to the lack of the thumb safety on the slide.]]

What? Since when does a SIG P232 have a safety on the slide? I believe whoever wrote this had a Walther PPK in mind...--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

==Springfield Armory XD==
In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Omar Hernandez ([[Jacob Vargas]]) pulls a two-tone [[Springfield Armory XD|Springfield XD Service]] on Michael.

[[Image:XDBitone.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield Armory XD - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2726.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Omar Hernandez ([[Jacob Vargas]]) pulls a [[Springfield Armory XD]] on Michael.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his personal sidearm throughout the series. The Beretta has also seen use by various other characters throughout the series' run, in both suppressed and unsuppressed forms.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none]]
[[Image:BNberettaSam.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam pulls his Beretta at a possible intruder in Madeline's house.]]
[[Image:BNdoubleBeretta.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam ([[Bruce Campbell]]) taunts a gangster by holding the commandeered Beretta (an Inox) and Sam's own "gangster-style".]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] has been used by several characters, including 'Vincent' in a kidnap attempt in the pilot. Gabriel uses a 92FS Inox which he has Fiona strip down and assemble while testing her in Season 3's "Good Intentions".
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In the pilot episode, Vince the bodyguard ([[Chance Kelly]]) pulls his Beretta Inox before entering the house.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92FS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Vince threatens Michael with a Beretta Inox.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMrPyne.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mr. Pyne ([[Ray Wise]]) with the Inox, moments after he accidentally shot his own goon. The gun is a flash paper version of the Beretta.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike puts the Beretta in an evidence bag. "A crime lab's wet dream." he calls it, since Mr.Pyne's fingerprints all over it.]]

==Beretta Tomcat==
In Season 3's "Friends Like These" (S3E8), Fiona holds a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]] on Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]).
[[Image:Beretta3032Tomcat.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 3032 Tomcat - .32 ACP ]]
[[Image:BurnS3 215.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Friends Like These" (S3E8), Fiona holds a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]].]]

==Colt Python==
In the pilot episode, Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]), the drug dealer who lives next door to Michael, is seen with a [[Colt Python]] when Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) tactically invades his home and steals it during self defense. Michael later uses this stolen weapon to use it as a distraction device. He loads it up with blank rounds, attaches a flare, cell phone and a electric blasting cap to simulate gunfire.

[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]) aims his [[Colt Python|Python]] at the front door having no clue Michaels coming from the rear. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael loads up .357 blanks into the [[Colt Python|Python]]. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael inserts what appears to be a electric blasting cap into a flare that's attached to the Python. Note the cell phone taped on the end of the flare. When Michael makes a phone call, the cap ignites a flare that will heat up the rounds in the revolver and at a random time the rounds will discharge. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael unveils his succeeded project to Mr. Pyne. Note the burn marks on the cylinder are from the ignited flare. ]]

==Colt M1911==
[[M1911_pistol_series#M1911|Colt 1911]] series handguns are seen numerous times throughout the series. In the pilot episode, an M1911 is pulled on a Nigerian mercenary. In Season 1's "Fight or Flight", Michael relieves two cartel soldiers of their M1911A1's. In Season 2, a stainless 1911 is seen in the hands of Eddie the embezzler. In S2's "Rough Seas", another stainless Colt 1911 is given to Mike by the hijacker to defend himself with, which Mike uses to pretend to shoot Virgil, the ex-Navy SEAL. In S3's "Friends and Family", a very shiny M1911 is used by Mike's old friend Harlan in the new season's first episode when he kidnaps Mike and threatens him with it.
In the episode "Shot in the Dark", a 13 year old boy drops a disassembled M1911 before admitting that he plans to kill his stepfather.
[[Image:COLTM1911_1913.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Colt M1911 - .45ACP.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeoshi.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In the pilot episode, an M1911A1 on the left is seen being pulled on a Nigerian mercenary.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 032.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Fight or Flight", Michael takes some M1911A1's off of some cartel soldiers.]]
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainless.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Eddie the embezzler about to discover his 1911 isn't loaded with real bullets.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainlessBlank.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Eddie fires his 1911, discovering it is loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BNcoltFire.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Mike aims the gun underneath Virgil's arm and pretends to shoot him.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainlessFire.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Mike fires his 1911 at the gas tank of a truck while posing as a mild mannered chemist. His cover is blown worse than the truck.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColt1911-2.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Harlan shoots Rufino with his 1911. Due to its close proximity to the actor, this is probably a non-gun version. Note that Harlan's pointing the gun slightly off to Rufino's right for safety purposes.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColt1911.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Shiny! Harlan then turns the 1911 on Mike. Note the lack of front and rear sights.]]
[[Image:Burn 2705.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Shot in the Dark", a 13 year old boy drops a disassembled M1911 before admitting that he plans to kill his stepfather.]]

=="Pre-B" CZ 75==
In Season 3's "Partners in Crime" (S3E14), Conrad ([[Tom Nowicki]]), the Polish agent pulls a [[CZ 75|"Pre-B" CZ 75]] on Michael.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75]]
[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Partners in Crime" (S3E14), Conrad ([[Tom Nowicki]]) pulls a "Pre-B" CZ 75 on Michael. Note the rounded trigger guard.]]

==CZ 75BD==

In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Michael and his new "friend" John Beck use a Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]].
[[Image:Cz75bd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CZ 75BD (decocker) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Michael with the Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]].]]
[[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael holds the Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]] on his new "friend" John Beck.]]
[[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The CZ75 lays on the ground. Note the decock lever in place of the normal safety switch]]

== Desert Eagle ==

A [[Desert Eagle]] is seen in Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4) when Sam is being audited as proof of his trip to the Middle East. He took it from a guy which was part of a group they were targeting, quote "There was this thing, and then the gun didn't have an owner anymore."
[[Image:DesertEagle357Black.jpg‎|thumb|390px|none|Desert Eagle MK VII - .357 Magnum. The most commonly seen Desert Eagle pistol in films before 1999.]]
[[Image:Sam Desert Eagle Audit.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4), the IRS agent displays the Desert Eagle that Sam says is proof of his trip to the Middle East.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 115.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a gold plated Desert Eagle.]]

== FN FiveseveN ==
In Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back", bloodthirsty hooligan Thomas O'Neill ([[Paul Blackthorne]]) uses a [[FN FiveseveN]] to hold Fiona hostage.
[[Image:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
[[Image:FiveseveN_BurnNotice.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Thomas O'Neill ([[Paul Blackthorne]]) with an FN Five-SeveN while holding Fiona.]]

== Glock 17 ==
[[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17's]] are used by Miami PD in the many instances when Mike tricks criminals into being arrested to solve his problem of the week. In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", Prescott ([[Mark Sheppard]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] pistol with a silver (possibly hard-chromed) slide and a suppressor attached. In Season 3, Detective Paxson and Detective Lopez both have Glock 17's. Michael uses a glock 17 in "The Hunter". In Season 3's "Question & Answer", Sam uses a Glock 17 while playing a corrupt detective.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2043.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Miami PD officer with his Glock 17 Second Generation.]]
[[Image:Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Generation 3 Glock 17 with stainless steel slide and adjustable sights 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneSD.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", Prescott ([[Mark Sheppard]]) aims his Glock 17 at the bank manager.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneSDback.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The bank manager gets a Glock put to his head by Prescott.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneDisable.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike disables Prescott's Glock with a nitrogen spray-gun.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneXplode.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Prescott's Glock 17 explodes when he tries to shoot Agent Bly.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Question & Answer", Sam uses a Glock 17 while playing a corrupt detective.]]

==Glock 17 (Full Auto Conversion)==
In Season 2's "Hot Spot", one of Felix's thugs fires a [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto with an extended mag on Michael's armored car.
[[Image:Glock 17machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm - (converted to full-auto)]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2019.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Hot Spot", Felix's thug fires a [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto. Note that the weapon appears to have jammed.]]

== Glock 19 ==
In Season 1's "Unpaid Debts", corrupt cops are seen using "department issued" [[Glock_17#Glock_19|Glock 19's]], which is how Mike realizes they are police. In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Michael holds a Glock 19 he took off a Bulgarian in a drug deal gone bad. In Season 3's "Friends Like These" Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]) pulls a Glock from the trunk of a car that has been left for her, when she is cornered by Fiona. She quips that she always tells her buyers to leave two things in any car left for her: a duffel full of cash, and a gun full of bullets.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 19 Second Generation - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNglock19mike.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Michael holds a Glock 19 he took off a Bulgarian in a drug deal gone bad.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 217.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friends Like These" Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]) pulls a Glock from the trunk of a car that has been left for her, when she is cornered by Fiona. She seems to have a low grip here, but corrects it by the next shot.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 218.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Closeup of Natalie's Glock. She quips that she always tells her buyers to leave two things in any car left for her: a duffel full of cash, and a gun full of bullets.]]

== Glock 26 ==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", a Bulgarian who tries to spoil a gun deal pulls a [[Glock_17#Glock_26|Glock 26]] from an ankle holster.
[[Image:Glock_26.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 26 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNglock26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", the Bulgarian fires his Glock 26 at Seymour's sports car.]]
[[Image:BNglock26fire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The Bulgarian fires his Glock 26 as Michael and Seymour flee.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
A [[Heckler_%26_Koch_USP#Heckler_.26_Koch_USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] with a chrome slide is seen in the hands of several characters in the series. In Season 1's "Family Business", the gun dealer Ari ([[Guri Weinberg]]) pulls a USP at Mike in a club. In Season 2's "Scatter Point" (S2E05), Timo ([[Oded Fehr]]) uses one to coerce Michael into opening a liquor store safe. In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", the arms dealer Seymour ([[Silas Weir Mitchell]]) pulls a USP on Michael.

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Heckler & Koch USP- .45 Auto.]]
[[Image:BNuspClub.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Family Business", the gun dealer Ari ([[Guri Weinberg]]) aims his USP at Mike in a club.]]
[[Image:BNhkUSPstainless.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 2's "Scatter Point", Timo puts the USP to Trevor's head to coerce Mike to open a safe.]]
[[Image:BurnNS2 037.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Timo ([[Oded Fehr]]) holds the USP as Michael attempts to crack the liquor store safe.]]
[[Image:BNseymourGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Seymour ([[Silas Weir Mitchell]]) pulls his USP on Mike, proving he has a faster draw than his bodyguards at least.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|John Barrett ([[Robert Patrick]]) pulls his USP on Michael in Season 4.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Match==
A [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Match|Heckler & Koch USP Match]] is briefly seen in the hands of a gun collector, Jonathan Carver ([[Scott Michael Morgan]]) when Michael is fleeing the scene of a fake car accident in Season 3 Episode 3 "End Run".

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==
In Season 3's "Long Way Back", Fiona gives Michael her [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] with a stainless slide which he says is a .45 caliber. He then uses it when confronting Strickler. Fiona is seen using her USP Compact in Season 2.
[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Burn 5110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Long Way Back", Michael puts the USP Compact in the small of his back.]]
[[Image:Burn 5114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael uses the USP Compact.]]

==Heckler and Koch Mark 23==
A [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]] is used by Kent the smuggler in Season 1's finale "Loose Ends". Despite being a former Marine, he has a terrible low grip on his Mark 23. Maybe it's just too much handgun for him, or maybe it's so Michael will be able to easily take it away from him.
[[Image:Mk23.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Heckler & Koch Mark 23 - .45ACP.]]
[[Image:BNsocom.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Loose Ends",Kent keeps his massive handgun in his pants.]]
[[Image:Mark23.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Closeup of Kent's Mark 23.]]
[[Image:Mark232.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Kent threatening Michael with the Mark 23. Horrible grip!]]
[[Image:BurnS3 112.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a Heckler & Koch Mark 23.]]

==Heckler and Koch HK P30==
In Season 4's "Center of the Storm", Cole ([[Jon Seda]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch HK P30]] that he uses to threaten Michael as well as combat Matt Reece's Thugs.
[[Image:HK-P30.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch P30 ''(2006-present)'' - 9x19mm Parabellum and .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BurnS4 309.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Center of the Storm", Cole ([[Jon Seda]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch HK P30]].]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
The Stainless [[Jericho 941]] is a very common sidearm used by bad guys in the show, especially the head bad guy in various episodes. (It's almost like what the [[M1911|Infinity]] is to [[Heroes]].) In Season 1's "Family Business", the boss Eli Zamar ([[Joel Swetow]]) carried one, which Fiona recognizes as a ''"Desert Eagle 9mm with combat grips"''. Also, in Season 1's "False Flag", Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) uses a suppressed Jericho. In Season 2's "Sins of Omission", Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]) draws down on Michael with one. It is also used in the Season 3's "Question & Answer." In Season 3, a black Baby Eagle was used by the henchmen in "End Run" and in "Enemies Closer" and also is the gun used by Strickler in "Long Way Back."
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol in the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'']]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Family Business", Michael's brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) gets a Jericho put to his head.]]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Also in "Family Business", Jake Miller ([[Scott Michael Campbell]]) gets a Jericho put to his head. Note that this gun is missing its rear sight for some reason.]]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eli Zamar ([[Joel Swetow]]) draws his Jericho when he finds out what happens to his arms shipment in Season 1's "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BNjerichoSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "False Flag", Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) fires her suppressed Jericho at Mike.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Gerard ([[Max Martini]]) aims his Jericho at Mike who is pretending to be a mild mannered chemist.]]
[[Image:BNjerichoSPAM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Chandler stows his Jericho in his waistband before going inside his building.]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2055.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]) pulls his Jericho on Mike in Season 2's "Sins of Omission".]]
[[Image:BurnS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Strickler ([[Ben Shenkman]]) pulls his Jericho on Mike in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==Jericho 941FB Compact==
In Season 4's "Where There's Smoke" (S4E08), Jacob's brother Eddy carries a [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941FB]] Compact as his sidearm and is seen pulling it on Michael.
[[Image:Jericho941FBCompact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941FB Compact 9x19mm, This one is a Magnum Research Model, as it was made in Minneapolis.]]

== Kimber Pro Carry II ==
A [[M1911_pistol_series#Kimber_Pro_Carry_II|Kimber Pro Carry]] with a black slide and stainless frame is seen many times throughout the series. It appears to be an Aegis. It is first seen in the hands of a con artist in Season 1's "Identity". Michael describes it as having extended controls and a beveled magazine well, which shows how serious the criminal is. The competition style extended frame safety is noticeable in one brief shot. In Season 2's "Scatter Point", a similar firearm (possibly the same exact one) is used by Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]), the muscle of the bank robbery crew.
[[Image:KimberProCarryII_1911.jpg|none|300px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:BurnS1 028.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Identity", Michael uses the Kimber to shoot the tires of a patrol car.]]
[[Image:BNcoltCommander.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|In Season 2's "Scatter Point", Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]) draws her Kimber Pro Carry II. The adjustable sights are barely visible.]]

== Lorcin Model L22 ==
Victor carries a Lorcin Model L22 in .22LR as a concealed weapon. Mike calls it "cute," but it's enough to make him think twice about attacking Victor when it's held on him under a chess table.
[[Image:BNjetfire22.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Victor holds his Lorcin Model L22 at Mike under the table.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Makarov PM]] is seen in a display in a mansion in Miami, which catches Fiona's eye. As a reward for his assistance Mike buys it on the cheap and gives it to her for her birthday. While military surplus Makarov's are very common and inexpensive, there are some that are sought-after collector's pieces for various reasons.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", Makarov PM is seen in a gun case, alongside a Ruger Blackhawk, a S&W 629 Performance Center, and a Colt 1911.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1032.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona holds the Makarov she received as a gift from Michael in Season 1's "Hard Bargain".]]

== PSP-07 provided by Federal Ordnance ==
In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[M1911|Federal Ordnance PSP-07]], similar to the one used by [[Steven Seagal]] in ''[[Marked for Death]]''.
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07]]
[[Image:BurnS3 110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[M1911|Federal Ordnance PSP-07]] (seen on the upper right), similar to the one used by [[Steven Seagal]] in ''[[Marked for Death]]''.]]

==Ruger Mk I==
In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[Ruger Mk I]]. Pretending to be an idiot, Michael asks if it is a 357.
[[Image:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mk I pistol - .22 LR]]
[[Image:BurnS3 114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a Ruger Mk I.]]

== Ruger P95 ==
In Season 1's finale "Loose Ends, Part 2", one of Carmelo the heroin dealer's bodyguards pulls a [[Ruger P95]] on Michael at the club.
[[Image:RugerP95.gif‎|thumb|none|350px|Ruger P95 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1069.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ruger P95 is seen on the right being pulled on Michael in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 2".]]

==Ruger Blackhawk==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Ruger Blackhawk]] is seen in a display case in a mansion in Miami.
[[Image:RugerBlackhawk357.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Blackhawk .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Ruger Blackhawk]] is seen in the lower left of the display case.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Nate uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] in Season 1's "Old Friends".
[[Image:M36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1052.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nate uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] to scare off an assassin in Season 1's "Old Friends".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In Season 2's "Double Booked" (S2E08), Michael takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] off of Drew ([[Zachary Bryan]]).
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 60]]
[[Image:Burn 5103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Double Booked" (S2E08), Michael takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] off of Drew ([[Zachary Bryan]]).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629==
In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Jacob Orr ([[M.C. Gainey]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] on Chandler when he wants to know what happened to the stolen painting.
[[Image:S&WMod6294.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 with 4" Barrel - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:Burn 265.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Jacob Orr ([[M.C. Gainey]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] on Chandler.]]
[[Image:Burn 264.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scott Chandler ([[Joel Gretsch]]) is threatened with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]].]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is seen in a display case in a mansion in Miami.
[[Image:Smith & Wesson Performance Center model 629.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 "Performance Center" with custom weighted barrel and scope rails .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is seen in the upper right of the display case.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686==
A Nigerian bystander pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] in the pilot episode.
[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 4" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nigerian bystander pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] in the pilot episode.]]

==Smith & Wesson 459==
In Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09), Michael holds a [[Smith & Wesson 459]] that he took off the hitman sent to kill him.
[[Image:M594.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 459 - 9mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2500.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09), Michael holds a [[Smith & Wesson 459]] that he took off the hitman following him.]]
[[Image:Burn 2503.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael holds the S&W on the hitman while taking a call.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4505==
The [[Smith & Wesson 4505]] is pulled by Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) to threaten Michael in Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09). In Season 2's "Comrades" (S2E04), Mike takes up a 4505 after disarming some human traffickers.
[[Image:4505.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 4505 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Burn 5106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[Smith & Wesson 4505]] is pulled by Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) to threaten Michael in Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09).]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506black.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike tosses the 4505 in the air before catching it in Season 2's "Comrades" (S2E04).]]

==Smith & Wesson 4006==
In Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1", Michael gives a stainless [[Smith_%26_Wesson_4000_pistol_series#Smith_.26_Wesson_4006|S&W 4006]] to his younger brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) to protect himself and their mother. Madeline later is seen holding it when she and Nate go to Michael's place.
[[Image:S&W 4006.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 4006 .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1", Michael gives the S&W to Nate.]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506nate.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) fires his 4006 to hold off some mercenaries in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
In the pilot episode, one of Sugar's thugs pulls an early model [[Smith_%26_Wesson_5900_pistol_series#Smith_.26_Wesson_5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]] on Fiona and Michael. Michael later uses it with a homemade suppressor to wound Sugar. In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", one of the bank robbers uses a late model suppressed stainless 5906. A similar one is also carried by the boat guard in the same episode.
[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|350px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm. The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
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[[Image:BurnS1 1064.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires the S&W with his homemade suppressor in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:S%26W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNsmithStainless.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", the boat guard is disarmed of his Smith & Wesson by Sam.]]

==Taurus PT940==
In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", a member of Prescott's crew ([[Rodney Rowland]]) uses his suppressed [[Taurus PT940]] to threaten Prescott.
[[Image:PT940SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT940 in stainless steel - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BNsmithFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of Prescott's crew ([[Rodney Rowland]]) holds his suppressed PT940.]]
[[Image:BNsmithStainlessBank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The bank robber then threatens Prescott with his PT940.]]

==Taurus Model 85==
Fiona Glenanne ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) twists the cylinder of her stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] next to Mike's ear at the beginning of Season 4's "Hard Time".

[[Image:Taurus85.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus Model 85 - .38 spl.]]
[[Image:BNtaurus85.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona twists the cylinder of her Taurus Model 85]]

==Walther PPK/S==
Fiona Glenanne ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) uses the [[Walther PPK|Walther PPK/S]] as her usual sidearm.

[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK stainless - 9mm Kurz aka 9x17mm (.380 ACP)]]
[[Image:BNwaltherPPKfiona.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona with her PPK at the ready.]]
[[Image:BNfionaWalther.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona captures a car-jacker with her PPK.]]

== Walther P99 ==
A two tone [[Walther P99]] is used by the Jamaican drug dealer to threaten Mike in Season 1's "Unpaid Debts". It is also carried by a thug in "Question & Answer." Simon uses a P99 in "Devil You Know" which Michael take and holds to his head.
Along with her PPK/S Fiona also owns a P99 that she keeps in her apartment which Michael uses when searching for an intruder in "Shot in the Dark".
[[Image:WaltherP99_twotoneA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNsmith99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The drug dealer aims his Walther P99 at Mike, not caring that a police boat is nearby.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1047.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jan the Czech assassin ([[Ilia Volok]]) fires a suppressed Walther at Mike in Season 1's "Old Friends".]]

==Walther PPS==
In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", some of the bank robbers use [[Walther PPS]] pistols with sound suppressors attached. Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) is able to acquire one of these guns from a robber after sedating him with medicine from a first-aid kit; however, as the robber goes down, he struggles with Michael and empties all but one of the rounds from the magazine, leaving Michael with no other choice but to find another way to incapacitate or eliminate the rest of the robbers.
[[Image:PPS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNwaltherBrassCheck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike does a brass check on his PPS after looking at the magazine and realizing it is empty.]]
[[Image:BNwaltherSilencerOff.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike removes the silencer from his Walther PPS in order to conceal it in the back of his waistband.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Beretta M12==
The [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] are carried by some Nigerian mercenaries in the pilot episode.

[[Image:Beretta M12.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Beretta PM12S - 9x19mm ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In the pilot episode, a Nigerian mercenary slings his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]].]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeoshi.jpg|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary, now decidedly outgunned. Several other weapons are also visible in this scene, including a [[M1911 pistol series#M1911|M1911]], a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]], and an [[AK-47]] in the background. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12S.JPG|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary with his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] as Michael pretends to be sick. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12S2.jpg|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary escorts Michael to the men's room with his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] and another mercenary with a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]. ]]

==FN P90TR==

An [[FN P90#P90TR|FN P90TR]] fitted with an EOTECH Holosight is handled by Michael while he is posing as an arms dealer in Season 1's "Family Business". He refers to it as an "FN P90 with a Halo sight."

[[Image:FNP90wEOTECHsight.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|FN P90 TR with rail and EOTECH holographic Sight (this is a real movie 'blank adapted' firearm) - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:BN-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael checks out the "FN P90 with a Halo sight" in "Family Business". ]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW ==
A [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5K-PDW|H&K MP5 PDW]] is used by Sam to shoot a car belonging to a pair of con men dressed up as FBI agents.
[[Image:MP5K-PDWEarly.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MP5 PDW - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam fires his MP5 PDW without aiming. At least he used the stock.]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdw2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam fires his MP5 PDW without aiming.]]

[[Image:BNmp5pdwFire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam ventilates the trunk of an impostor FBI car.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
In Season 4's "Friends and Enemies", Michael is seen carrying an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] fitted with a scope when accompanying Vaughn ([[Robert Wisdom]]) on a mission to find an illegal gunrunner.
[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Gerard ([[Max Martini]]) is seen using a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] on the truck.
[[Image:HKmp5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight and safe-semi-two round burst trigger group]]
[[Image:BNak74u.jpg|none|500px||thumb|Gerard fires his MP5A3 at the truck driven by "Charles Finley." As with Sam and his PDW, Gerard doesn't seem to think aiming is necessary.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5SD ==
An [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5SD|MP5SD3]] with tactical light and M68 Aimpoint sight is seen in the hands of mercenaries in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MP5SD3 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmp5sd.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A mercenary with his MP5SD3 in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==
In Season 2's "Good Soldier", A goon employed by Max Lesher([[John Allen Nelson]]) prepares to use a [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] in a kidnapping attempt.
In Season 3's "End Run", Sam and Fiona carry MP7's when they break into Brennan's house. Fiona and her brother when they attempt to kill O'Neil at his hotel in "Long Way Home".
[[Image:Hk mp7 b-1-.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 4.6x30mm with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP7.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A goon brandishes a Heckler & Koch MP7A1 in Season 2's "Good Soldier".]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "End Run", Sam and Fiona search Brennan's house armed with Heckler & Koch MP7A1s, Fiona's having a 40-round magazine.]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Suppressed [[MAC-10|Ingram MAC-10's]] hidden in packing containers are carried by several of Prescott's men in Season 2's "Bad Breaks" (S2E13) who kept them .
In Season 4's premiere "Friends and Enemies" (S4E1), Michael wields two MAC-10's to try and intimidate a biker gang.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MAC-10 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:BNmac10.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", one of Prescott's men disguised as a parcel deliverer chambers his suppressed MAC-10.]]
[[Image:BNbankMac10.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another one of Prescott's men enters the hostage room with his suppressed MAC-10.]]

== Interdynamic MP9 ==
In Season 2's "Hot Spot" (S2E11), an [[Interdynamic_KG-9_/_Intratec_TEC-9#Interdynamic_MP9.2FKG-9|Interdynamic MP9]] is used by Felix Cole ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) to shoot at the armored car with Mike(who is posing as "Johnny") and inadvertently his own boss. The weapon is identified as an Interdynamic MP9 by its foregrip and simple rear sight.
[[Image:InterDynamicMP9.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Interdynamic MP9 with foregrip and telescoping stock - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNintratec.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Felix Cole ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) fires his MP9 at Michael's armored car in Season 2's "Hot Spot".]]

== Intratec TEC-9 ==

A variant of the [[Tec-9|Intratec TEC-9]] series of assault pistols (either the KG-99 or the TEC-9 itself) can be seen being used by thugs in Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4).
[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 9x19mm]]

== Steyr TMP ==
A henchman is briefly seen carrying a [[Steyr TMP]] in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".
[[Image:SteyrTMP.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Steyr TMP 9mm]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2074.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The henchman on the right is briefly seen carrying a [[Steyr TMP]] in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

== Micro Uzi ==
A [[Micro Uzi]] is used by one of Felix's thugs when they ambush Michael in Season 2's "Hot Spot".
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Micro Uzi with 32 round magazine - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmicroUzi.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The thug on the left fires his Micro Uzi in Season 2's "Hot Spot".]]

==Mini Uzi==
In Season 4's "Where There's Smoke" (S4E08), One of Jacob's thugs carries a [[Mini Uzi]] during the kidnapping attempt.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mini Uzi SMG with stock folded - 9x19mm]]

=Shotguns=
== Armsel Protecta==
In Season 2's "Breaking and Entering" (S2E1), Michael uses an [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#Armsel_Protecta|Armsel Protecta]] in conjunction with 'quadrangle buckshot' and FRAG-12 ammunition to destroy some computer mainframes and blow out a window, respectively.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta 12-gauge]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeStreetsweeper.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael prepares to fire the Armsel Protecta in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

== Mossberg 500 (Sawed off) ==
[[Image:Sawed-off mossberg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 with sawed-off barrel and stock - 12 Gauge]]
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== Mossberg 500 Cruiser ==
In Season 1's "Old Friends", Michael booby traps the door to his place with a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]].
[[Image:Mossberg500Cruiser.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser with plain barrel, no heat shield - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1048.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Old Friends", Michael booby traps the door to his place with a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]].]]

==Mossberg 590 Special==
[[Image:Mossberg 590 Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
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== Mossberg 590 Cruiser ==
Sam gives Michael's mom Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]) a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Cruiser]] to protect herself.
[[Image:Mossberg500 Cruiser ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1028.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]) checks out the Mossberg.]]

==Remington 870 Folding Stock==

A [[Remington 870]] with a folding stock is used by Fiona on several occasions. One with the full stock and loaded with incendiary rounds is used by Mike to scare off the guards paroling the warehouse where Victor goes to get the Dragunov.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Folding Stock - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeSPAS12.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona wields a Remington 870 in Season 1's "Old Friends" (S1E4).]]

==Remington 870 Police Standard==
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunIncendiary.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A snazzy 24-esque screen split shows Mike shooting his Remington 870.]]

== Remington 870 Express ==
Used by Sam on several occasions.
[[Image:Remington-870-Express-Deer.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Remington 870 Express Deer 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1080.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona finds a Remington among Sam's things.]]

== Remington 870 Pistol Grip==
Seymour procures two [[Remington 870]] shotguns for Mike and Fiona's assault on the bombers house. He remarks that he customized them himself, and that they are loaded, with the custom ammo he made for them. They are loaded with special water rounds used to destroy explosive devices without detonating them. They are the pistol grip versions without extended magazine tubes.
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
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[[Image:Rem870 twotone.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]
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==Saiga 12K==
In Season 4's "Center of the Storm" (S4E09), a modified [[Saiga 12K]] automatic shotgun is said to have been used in an attempted hit on an FBI witness.
[[Image:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Saiga 12K-1]]
[[Image:BurnS4 302.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Center of the Storm" (S4E09), a modified [[Saiga 12K]] automatic shotgun is found by Michael in an arms dealer's car garage.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 303.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Serbu Super Shorty ==
Fiona carries a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] while rescuing a kidnapped child in Season 3's "Question and Answer."
[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun - 12-Gauge with foregrip extended.]]
[[Image:FionaSerbu.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona with a Serbu Super Shorty in Season 3's "Question and Answer".]]

=Assault Rifles=
== AKMSU ==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas, one of the hijackers who steals a drug shipment for a fake heist is armed with an [[AKMSU]]. These weapons also appeared in many other episodes.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:BurnNS2 064.jpg|none|500px||thumb|One of Gerard's men picks up an AKMSU to open fire on Charles Finley's truck.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
A pair of [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] rifles are used by Carla's henchmen to kill several unknown men in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering". Michael later acquires them to be planted on some mercenaries framing them for the murders.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BNg36c.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Fiona retrieves the H&K G36C's from the back of Sam's Cadillac.]]

==IMI Galil==
A bystander in the marketplace is seen pointing a [[Galil]] at Michael's pursuers.
[[Image:GalilAR.jpg|thumb|300px|none|IMI Galil AR 5.56x45mm.]]
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==M4A1 Carbine==
In Season 2's premiere "Breaking and Entering", an ATF team is seen armed with [[M4A1]] rifles. In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) is given an [[M16#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] by her gun-running friend, Seymour. The M4A1 has been modified with an RIS-style rail handguard, a vertical foregrip, a AN/PEQ-2 IR designator system and a red-dot sight. In Season 3's "Friends & Family" (S301), an M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher, PEQ-2 IR pointer, Surefire light, Aimpoint CompM4 red dot sight, and 3X magnifier was used by Mike's "old buddy" Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]), a Special Forces operator, to fire into the windshield and engine block of an SUV to disable it during a snatch-and-grab op to kidnap a Venezuelan gangster.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]
[[Image:BNm4swat.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Breaking and Entering", an ATF team armed with M4 Carbine rifles sweeps down on a boat.]]
[[Image:Burn 2514.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Fiona exits Seymour's house with the M4A1.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) bursts out of a van with an M4 Carbine.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan covers the target SUV with his M4 Carbine.]]

== Colt Model 933 ==

In Season 4's "Guilty as Charged", Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) uses what appears to be [[M16 rifle series|Colt Model 933]] to shoot Michael.
[[Image:Colt m933 03.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 933 with Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) seen in lower left uses the Colt.]]

== M16A1 (with M16A2 handguards)==

In the Pilot, several Nigerian soldiers were seen carrying [[M16A1]] assault rifles fitted with [[M16A2]]-style handguards.

[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|M16A1 outfitted with A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BN-M16-1.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
 

==Norinco Type-56==
A rack of [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles are seen behind Michael in Season 2's "Family Business".
[[Image:BN-M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rack of Norinco Type 56 rifles are seen behind Michael in Season 2's "Family Business".]]

==SCAR-L==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is carried by Matt Reece's thugs in Season 4's "Center of the Storm". It's used when when Michael beats down the thug, causing the weapon to go flying in the air.
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnS4 313.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is carried by Matt Reece's thugs in Season 4's "Center of the Storm".]]

==SIG SG 552==
The [[SIG SG 552]] assault rifle is a frequently used weapon in the series. In Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back", Mike uses a SIG rifle when he and Sam go to rescue Fiona. Mike is seen with one slung over his shoulder in Season 3's "Friendly Fire" (S3E11) when repelling out a window. In "Enemies Closer" (S3E13), Mike gives a SIG with a scope attached to a drug dealer shoot up a car. Also used by one of Matt Reece's thugs and Matt Reece himself in season 4's "Center of the Storm."
Mostly recently featured in S4's "Guilty as Charged" by Fiona and Sam throughout the episode.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|300px|none|SIG SG 552 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Michael_Westen_SG_552.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires the SIG SG 552 in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==M16A2==
The [[M16A2]] is seen in the Season 4 finale "Last Stand" in the hands of US soldiers when they storm an abandoned hotel under siege by Vaughn and his men.

=Sniper Rifles=
==Blaser 93 Sniper Rifle==
In Season 2's finale, Carla's sniper can be seen armed with a [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]] as he takes out Victor.
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Blaser 93 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
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== Browning BAR Safari ==
In Season 1's finale "Loose Ends, Part II", a [[Browning BAR Safari]] is used by Fiona, fitted with a sniper scope, to cover Sam and Mike as they escape from the boat where Sam was held captive. Note this is related only in name and designer to the M1918 BAR and its variants.
its not a BAR more likely a browning hunting rifle.However it is actually called the BAR and is made by Browning. The famous military BAR is also known as the Model 1918 Browning Automatic rifle.
[[Image:BARhunt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning BAR Safari]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1072.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona prepares to fire the BAR Safari.]]
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona takes aim the BAR Safari.]]

==Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match"==
A [[M16|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match"]] fitted with a scope and bipod is used by Sam to provide cover in Season 3's premiere "Friends and Family", as well as when he and Michael go to save Fiona in the Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back".
[[Image:Bushmaster xm15 vmatch 20.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match" Note smooth handguard and absence of front sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnS3 101.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam uses the scoped Bushmaster in Season 3's "Friends and Family".]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2094.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam provides cover fire with the Bushmaster (here with a different scope and a laser sight) in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==
In the Season 2 premiere "Breaking and Entering", a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_SL8|H&K SL8]] rifle is used by a mercenary to watch over a deal, but ends up incriminating him when the police arrive. In Season 4 episode 3, Michael uses a suppressed SL8 to shoot out the security guard's tires. Later, Michael and Fiona use 2 suppressed SL8s to shoot Gio's engine block. This weapon is commonly used by Fiona and sam to provide cover for Michael
[[Image:H%26KSL8Tactical.jpg|none|450px|thumb|Heckler & Koch SL8.]]
[[Image:BNsniper.jpg|none|500px|thumb|The mercenary sniper is surprised to see the police show up.]]
[[Image:samsl8deadalive.jpg|none|450px|thumb|Sam using a H&K SL8 to cover Michael during his meet with corrupt Detective 'Pete' in Dead or Alive.]]

== Heckler & Koch SR9TC ==
A [[Heckler & Koch SR9TC]] rifle is one of weapons seen mounted in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".
[[Image:HKSR9TC.jpg|thumb|450px|none|H&K SR9TC Sniper rifle with factory foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Burn 2510.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A [[Heckler & Koch SR9TC]] rifle is mounted in the middle in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".]]

==M-1A==
A [[M14|M-1A]] with scope and Sage Stock was used by Fiona as a sniper rifle when she performed a fake assassination attempt on Campos in Season 1's "Turn and Burn." This rifle was first seen in Season 1's "Family Business", when the gun dealer Ari takes Michael to his armory. Michael specifically refers to it as a modified M1A for "Special Forces".

[[Image:m14sagestock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M-1A]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael takes up the M-1A in "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael with the M-1A. This appears to be SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight).]]
[[Image:BNsemiSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona uses the M1A to simulate an assassination attempt in Season 2's "Turn and Burn". Her rifle appears to be either EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle) or EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle), which has a longer barrel.]]

==Remington 700==
In Season 2, Fiona is seen taking out Carla with a [[Remington 700]] sniper rifle.
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Sako M995 TRG-S==
Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) uses a [[Sako M995 TRG-S]] sniper rifle in her attempt to eliminate a witness in Season 1's "False Flag". The rifle looks the same as used in ''[[Most Wanted#Suppressed Sako M995 TRG-S |Most Wanted]]''.
[[Image:SakoM995T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sako M995 TRG-S.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her M995.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A view of the other end of the Sako: the end you would rather be behind.]]

==Remington 700 with AICS==
One of the preferred sniper rifles used by Michael is the [[Remington 700]] mounted on an Accuracy International Chassis System. In Season 2's "Double-Booked", he is seen using the rifle while wearing a wrist saddle shell holder.
[[Image:Rem700pssaics1a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 700 AICS with Harris bipod 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeAIAW.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Double-Booked", Mike assembles his rifle on a rooftop.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeAIAW-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike chambers a round in his rifle.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 03.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam uses the Remington AICS.]]

== SVD Dragunov ==
A [[SVD Dragunov]] is stolen by Mike and Victor to be used by the sniper, but it is never seen used.
[[Image:SVD_Rifle.jpg|405px|thumb|none|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm]]
[[Image:BNdragunovXray.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|An X-ray image showing the silhouette of a Dragunov sniper rifle.]]

== Winchester Model 70 ==
A [[Winchester Model 70]] is frequently used by Sam to cover Mike or to provide distractions.
[[Image:Win70-2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Winchester Model 70.]]
[[Image:BNsniperSam.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Wanted Man", Sam takes out a security camera with his Winchester.]]

=Heavy Weapons=
==Barrett M107==
In Season 1's "Family Business", a [[Barrett M107]] is seen among the weapons in Ari's armory.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG. Noteworthy is the holes in the lower part of the buttstock and the rail that runs along the top spine of the rifle.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1038.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Family Business", a [[Barrett M107]] is seen on the table in Ari's armory.]]

==Browning M2HB==
In Season 3's "Good Intentions" (S3E15), a [[Browning M2HB]] is seen being prepped by Mason Gilroy ([[Chris Vance]]) to be used for a particular job.
[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on M3 tripod - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:Burn 5117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Good Intentions" (S3E15), a [[Browning M2HB]] is seen being prepped by Mason Gilroy ([[Chris Vance]]) to be used for a particular job.]]

==M60==
In Season 3's "End Run", an [[M60]] is briefly seen as Sam and Fiona infiltrate the home of Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]).
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "End Run", an M60 is briefly seen in the foreground as Sam and Fiona search Brennan's house.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==
In Season 3's premiere "Friends and Family" (S3E01), Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) is armed with an M4A1 with an [[M203]] grenade launcher attached underneath. He is not seen using it in the episode.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|362px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) covers the target SUV with his M4 Carbine with M203.]]

==M47 Dragon==
Mercenaries in the employ of a heroin dealer use a [[M47 Dragon]] to destroy a car in Season 1's "Loose Ends" (S1E11).
[[Image:M47 Dragon.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|M47 Dragon 140mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1_1076.jpg‎ |thumb|500px|none|]]

==Milkor MGL==

A [[Milkor MGL]] is one of weapons seen mounted in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".
[[Image:MGL32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Milkor MGL.]]
[[Image:Burn 2510.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A [[Milkor MGL]] is mounted in the upper left in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".]]

==Fictional Gatling Gun==
A CGI-created eight-barreled [[Gatling Gun]] is seen firing from underneath an MQ-1 Predator UAV in order to assassinate a rogue arms dealer ([[Michael Ironside]]) in Season 4's "Friends and Enemies".
[[Image:BurnS4 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A CGI-created eight-barreled [[Gatling Gun]] is seen firing from underneath an MQ-1 Predator UAV in order to assassinate a rogue arms dealer ([[Michael Ironside]]) in Season 4's "Friends and Enemies".]]

=Other=
==Advanced Taser M26==
Fiona is seen using an [[Taser|Advanced Taser M26]] on a kidnapper in Season 1's "Hard Bargain".
[[Image:AdvancedM26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Advanced Taser M26]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1015.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona uses the Taser.]]
==Molotov Cocktail==
Fiona is seen throwing Molotov Cocktails on some cartel soldiers in Season 1's "Fight or Flight".
[[Image:BurnS1 030.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Last call, boys!" Fiona throws some Molotov Cocktails on cartel soldiers in Season 1's "Fight or Flight". ]]

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[[Category:Espionage]]

Hitman: Blood Money

2010-12-03T10:11:11Z

Acora: /* SPAS-12 */

'''The following weapons are used in the video game Hitman: Blood Money:'''
[[Image:HBM.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hitman: Blood Money'' (2006)]]

=Handguns=

==AMT Hardballer Custom==

The [[M1911 pistol series#AMT Hardballer|AMT Hardballer]] appears in the game as the "Silverballer," Agent 47's signature handgun. While ostensibly chambered in .45 ACP, it is not possible to use other bullets of this caliber in the Silverballers (such as that for the HK USP in this game), since Agent 47 modified them to accept only custom ammo. The stock magazine capacity is 9 rounds.

There are a host of modifications available for this weapon, including two types of sound suppressors, a double capacity magazine, a laser sight, a longslide modification, a reflex sight, a scope, and a modification to allow fully automatic fire. A second "Silverballer" can also be purchased, allowing the player to dual wield them (though already-purchased modifications do not have to be purchased again for the second gun as they would in real life). The grips on the "Silverballer" are reminiscent of the Pachmayr American Legend grips.

[[Image:AMTHardballer5in.jpg|thumb|300px|none|AMT Hardballer with 5" barrel, .45 ACP]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_AMT_Hardballer_(Unmodified).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two unmodified Silverballers in Agent 47's inventory. The engraving on the slide reads "Custom Slide .45 Caliber," with Agent 47's personal insignia between "Slide" and ".45".]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_AMT_Hardballer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gunning down costumed Security Guards with two Silverballers. These variants have advanced suppressors, red dot sights, double-length magazines, and laser sights.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_AMT_Hardballer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I can do whatever I'm paid to."'' Agent 47 takes centre stage with his "captive audience." This Silverballer variant is the longslide type with a scope, a laser sight, and a double-length magazine. For balance reasons, the longslide modification is not compatible with any kind of sound suppressor.]]

==Custom M1911==

This customized [[M1911]] pistol is referred to as the "Custom 1911," and it is used by Mark Parchezzi III in the "Amendment XXV" level and Alexander Leland 'Jack' Cayne in the "Requiem" level. The gun has a black finish and ornate engraved ivory grips in a "reverse two-tone" style, along with 3 dot sights, coloured red. While it cannot be retained for use in other missions while playing the game normally, this weapon can be added to the player's collection by editing the save file, either with a hex editor or Action Replay-style disc on console versions.

While nowhere near as visibly customized as the AMT Hardballers in this game can be, this firearm is the most accurate handgun in the game, with its shots hitting the very centre of the player's crosshairs with no spread. It uses the same generic "Magnum Ammo" as the ingame Desert Eagle does, has a 9-round magazine capacity, and its shots can penetrate thin barriers or NPCs in a straight line.

[[Image:80elite6-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Combat Elite with Pachmayr grips, .45 ACP ]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Custom_M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Everything needed for a Presidential assassination is in this picture--the man, the gun, and the opportunity in the Oval Office. Everything, except the President himself.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Custom_M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"You don't want to kill me, 47. I'm just like you."'' Mark Parchezzi III reloads his Custom M1911 in the middle of a shootout with Agent 47.]]

==Desert Eagle==
The [[Desert Eagle]] is found throughout the game, appearing under its real name. This handgun sports a chrome finish, and the ingame magazine capacity of 9 rounds implies that it is chambered for the .357 magnum round. It is the preferred weapon of many assassination targets in the game, from the gangster Scoop in the tutorial mission "Death of a Showman" to Vice President Daniel Morris in the "Amendment XXV" mission, and it is also the standard-issue pistol for the guards in the "Hell Club" in the "A Dance with a Devil" mission. Interestingly, this texture seems to be reused in another of IO Interactive's games, [[Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days]].
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Desert Eagle, .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Desert_Eagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Desert Eagle in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Desert_Eagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Desert Eagle -- perfect for handgun hunting, especially if your "game" happens to be a "white whale." Here's one to make Captain Ahab proud!]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Desert_Eagle_(Reloading).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the Desert Eagle, showing the detail on the slide. For a highly trained assassin, you'd think he'd have better trigger discipline.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Desert_Eagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Desert Eagle and its ammunition sitting on a table.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==

The [[H&K USP#Heckler & Koch USP|H&K USP]] appears in the game as the "SLP .40". It is the most common pistol throughout the game, and it is found in almost all the levels. It is used by the New Orleans Police, U.S. Marines, Secret Service, FBI, gangsters, and various other private security companies. A suppressed version is carried by assassin Angelina Mason in "The Murder of Crows" and by the South African white supremacist Hendrick Schmutz in "A House of Cards". It has a magazine capacity of 12 rounds, and it is also the only handgun in the game to have unique ammunition pickups.

It's worth noting that while the name of the gun is the "SLP.40," its ammo labelled as .45 ACP, and then the after-mission newspaper report claims the rounds fired from this gun are 9mm caliber. The magazine capacity of 12 rounds, however, seems to confirm that the weapon is chambered for .45 ACP rounds. Two other clues to the weapon's true caliber are the magazine floorplate that is visible on the inventory screen (a feature unavailable to the .40 S&W and 9x19mm models of the USP), and the angled forward portion of the trigger guard, which definitively rules out the possibility that it is the USP Compact--only the full-sized USP has the angled trigger guard that mirrors the pictured gun in the game.

[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_HK_USP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A suppressed HK USP in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_HK_USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|''"Beautifully Executed."'' Note: The above was an '''actual''' tagline used in the publicity campaign heralding the release of this game.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_HK_USP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The HK USP sitting on a table.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_HK_USP_(Ammunition).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boxes of .45 ACP ammunition for the HK USP. Unfortunately for fans of this caliber, on average four or five torso hits are needed to down an opponent with these rounds ingame, making them resembling 9x19mm FMJ rounds' stopping power instead.]]

==Mauser C96==

The [[Mauser C96]] appears in the game as the "WW1 Pistol". It is only found in the "Curtains Down" mission, in which an actor uses one loaded with blanks to "execute" the player's target, a famous opera tenor named Alvaro D'Alvade during a rehearsal of the opera ''Tosca''. The player can swap the prop gun with a real one when no one is looking to cause a fatal accident, or commandeer the executioner's costume to kill the target himself on stage. The weapon can be added to the player's collection on the PC using a hex editor, or on the PS2 version by using an Action Replay Max CD. It has a 9-round magazine capacity and uses the unique "Mauser Ammo," or blanks for the prop version.

[[Image:Mauser_c96_bolo.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mauser C96 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Bloodmoneymauser1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 takes a real Mauser C96 from his prepared jacket.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Mauser_C96.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mauser C96 in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Mauser_C96.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A night at the opera -- Agent 47 looking ridiculous in the executioner's costume, fake goatee and mustache included, with his real Mauser C96.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Mauser_C96.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doing it for the art -- Agent 47 puts a 7.63mm hole through this hebephilic statutory rapist's heart right on cue.]]

==Smith & Wesson 686-4==

The ''[[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] '' appears in the game as the "Snub Nosed." It uses generic "Pistol Ammo," has a six shot cylinder capacity, and possesses wood grips and red-coloured 3 dot iron sights. Despite its double action nature, it is slow to fire and has rather low stopping power. This revolver is the standard-issue weapon for sailors on the Mississippi river steamboat ''Emily'' in the "Death on the Mississippi" mission, and it is also the personal sidearm of Don Fernando Delgado and actor Rex Stanton's drug-dealing agent in the "A Vintage Year" mission.

[[Image:S&W686Short.jpg|thumb|none|330px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 with 2" barrel, .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Snubnosed_Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The snubnosed revolver in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Snubnosed_Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassinating a Gator Gang member with the snubnosed revolver.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Snubnosed_Revolver_(Reloading).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the snubnosed revolver. Reloading revolvers is the only time (aside from working the bolt action of certain rifles) that shell casings from guns are seen in this game, as they don't appear when firing guns. Thanks to the engine's need to work on a wide variety of hardware, from the PS2 to the XBOX 360, the shell casings are very low-poly, and no speedloader or moon clip is seen. Agent 47 also incorrectly swings the cylinder shut with a flick of a wrist, even though he correctly pushes it shut with the Taurus Raging Bull revolver.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Snubnosed_Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sailor on the ''Emily'' with a snubnosed revolver, investigating the area around a dead body.]]

==Taurus Raging Bull==

The [[Taurus Raging Bull]] revolver appears in the game as the "Bull. 480" revolver. The ingame model of this weapon appears to be based off of the Model 480, which is chambered in .480 Ruger cartridge. Possessing a six-round cylinder capacity of generic "Bull Ammo," it is used by various members of the Gator Gang in the "Death on the Mississippi" level, and is also the personal weapon of Vinnie "Slugger" Sinistra in the "A New Life" level.

While a double-action revolver in real life (and referred to as such in the game), this high-caliber revolver is very slow to fire, but is one of the few non-customizable weapons that can penetrate thin barriers and even NPCs in a straight line. As with the snubnosed revolver, Agent 47 will somehow load all six chambers at once without a speedloader or moon clip, but does properly push the swing-out cylinder closed with his off-hand instead of swinging it shut with a flick of a wrist.

[[Image:Rb1.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Taurus Raging Bull Model 454, .454 Casull.]]

[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Taurus_Raging_Bull.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Taurus Raging Bull in Agent 47's inventory, showing the engraved text on the side and the (alas) fake compensator ports near the muzzle.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Taurus_Raging_Bull.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"No, don't, please! I'm a wealthy man, I can make you rich! What do you want? Girls, cars, junk, real estate? I got it all!"'' '''BLAM!''' Thus ends the pitiful life of Lorne de Havilland, pornography tycoon and blackmailer ''extraordinaire,'' by one of the most oversized pistols in this game. The distinctive red-striped grip of the revolver is just visible above Agent 47's hand.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Taurus_Raging_Bull.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"My gun, where'd it go?! Oh, there it is."'' ''"My gun, where'd it go?! Oh, there it is."'' Vinnie "Slugger" Sinistra, a paranoid former Cuban drug smuggler cowering in the Witness Protection Program, with his Taurus Raging Bull. How he routinely manages to lose track of a handgun that size in housewear that thin defies imagination.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Taurus_Raging_Bull_(Reloading).jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I can do whatever I'm paid to."'' Agent 47 reloads his Taurus Raging Bull while using Vinnie Sinistra's drunken wife as a human shield. From this vantage point the engraving on the barrel is clearly visible, which reads "Bull .480" on the left side.]]

==Smith and Wesson Schofield Model 3==

The [[Smith & Wesson Schofield|Schofield Model 3]] revolver appears in the game as the "Six Shooter". This revolver uses generic "Pistol Ammo," has a six shot cylinder capacity, and has both markedly low stopping power and firing rate. Guests attending a wedding reception carry it in the "Till Death Do Us Part" mission, and it is also the personal firearm of the two targets there, Hank Leitch "Buddy" Muldoon and John "Pappy" Leblanc.
[[Image:Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|330px|Schofield Model 3 .45 Schofield]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Schofield_Model_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Schofield Model 3 revolver in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:Bloodmoneyschofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the Schofield Model 3 in First Person View.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Schofield_Model_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Buddy Muldoon celebrating his wedding reception with a few shots from his Schofield Model 3 revolver and a couple of cowboy cries.]]

==M1911 Varient==

An unknown [[M1911]] appears in the ending cutscene of the "Curtains Down" level.

[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Cutscene_Handgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Franchise agent prepares to shoot Agent 47, who is visible just underneath the pistol's trigger guard.]]

=Submachine Guns/Personal Defense Weapons=

== FAMAE SAF ==

The Chilean sub-machine gun [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]] appears in the game as the "SAF SMG", and it is used by the Hacienda guards in the mission "A Vintage Year." It is largely similar to the Heckler and Koch MP5 in this game, albeit a little less accurate and uncustomizable. It erroneously sports a 25-round magazine (in reality it uses a 30-round magazine), and is chambered for generic "SMG Ammo" (most likely 9x19mm rounds).

[[Image:SAF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FAMAE SAF, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - SAFInven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The FAMAE SAF in the inventory screen.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_FAMAE_SAF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Room-clearing a guarded suburban household with the FAMAE SAF. Notice Vinne Sinistra running in the backround, did he lose his gun again?]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_FAMAE_SAF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Don Fernando Delgado's guards, one with an FAMAE SAF.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5 ==

The [[H&K MP5]] appears in the game in two versions. One is a standard MP5A2 (referred to simply as the "MP5") and is used by Delahunt's bodyguards, Secret Service agents, and the Franchise assassin Maynard John. It uses generic "SMG Ammo" and has a 25-round magazine. Thanks to the buttstock, it is more accurate than most of the other non-customizable submachine guns ingame.

The other version of the MP5 appears as the "SMG Tactical," and can be modified with a large variety of accessories such as A3 and A4 buttstocks, an MP5K-style shortened barrel, laser sights, red dot sights, "jungle-style" double magazines, and sound suppressors. It too uses a 25-round magazine, despite the standard for MP5s being 30-round magazines.

[[Image:H&KMP5A2WideForearm.jpg|thumb|none||400px|MP5A2, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Custom_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An unmodified Custom MP5 in Agent 47's inventory. Essentially it is an MP5A2 without a buttstock of any kind.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_HK_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A theatre worker getting his guts perforated with an MP5A2 at the ''Palais Garnier'' in Paris.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_HK_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Secret Service Agent patrols the West Wing of the White House with his MP5A2.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Custom_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Franchise agent known only as "?" gets ventilated with Agent 47's custom MP5 after failing to seduce him. This variant has a laser sight, a red dot sight, clipped-together magazines, a shortened MP5K-style barrel with a vertical foregrip, and an advanced silencer. Thanks to a graphical error, the fire selector switch is still set to the "Safe" position.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Custom_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 with his Custom MP5. This is the "''faux'' MP5K-PDW" configuration, with a skeleton buttstock, red dot sight, laser sight, clipped-together magazines, and an MP5K-style barrel with foregrip. Real MP5K-PDWs have a folding buttstock and a barrel that protrudes slightly past the vertical foregrip for easier attachment of suppressors or flash hiders.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP7 ==

The original prototype version of the [[Heckler & Koch MP7]] appears in the game. It is used by some of the FBI agents in "A New Life" and can be found on a table in the 'Torture Chamber' in "A Dance With The Devil". Possessing a 25-round magazine capacity of generic "SMG ammo," the retractable stock and folding vertical foregrip cannot be used, which gives a high amount of muzzle climb. These characteristics make it a rather inaccurate weapon despite the low recoil of the real-life version, which also uses 20- or 40-round magazines rather than 25-rounders.

[[Image:H&K_MP71A1.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1, 4.6x30mm]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_HK_MP7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP7 in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_HK_MP7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Assassinating Mark Purayah II with an MP7 as the feathers fly.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_HK_MP7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An FBI agent with an MP7, leisurely patrolling a backyard pool.]]

== Ruger MP9 ==

The [[Ruger MP9]] appears in the game as the MP9. It is used solely by the bird-suited guards in "The Murder of Crows" level, is chambered for generic "SMG Ammo," and has a 25-round magazine capacity. As with the ingame TMP and MP7, it is not possible to use the MP9's stock or in a two-handed manner. It is also the least accurate weapon of its class ingame.

[[Image:RugerMP9smg.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Ruger MP9, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_Ruger_MP9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Ruger MP9 in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Ruger_MP9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 assassinates Don Fernando Delgado with the MP9.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Ruger_MP9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The MP9 sitting on a table.]]

== Steyr TMP ==

The [[Steyr TMP]] appears as the "TMP." It is used by various guards throughout the "Flatline" level and is the personal weapon of Manuel Delgado in the "A Vintage Year" level. This SMG also appears in the tutorial level "Death of a Showman" but is not used by NPCs there. Like other weapons of its class, it shares ammunition with all other non-customizable SMGs, and has a magazine capacity of 25 rounds. Despite the vertical foregrip, it is not possible to use this gun two-handed.

[[Image:SteyrTMP.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Steyr TMP, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - TMPInven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Steyr TMP|TMP]] in 47´s inventory screen.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Steyr_TMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Devil's own happy-happy-fun-gun (check the ammunition count).]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Steyr_TMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Apparently someone got confused about the two kinds of "cleaning" tools here.]]

=Shotguns=

== Remington 870 ==

The [[Remington 870]] appears in the game as the "Shotgun" it is used by the winery guards in the mission "A Vintage Year" and some members of the Gator gang in the "Death on the Mississippi" level. It is also placed in the tutorial level "Death of a Showman," but no NPCs use it there. It fires 12 Gauge buckshot and has an 8-round tube magazine capacity.
[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 in black finish]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - Shotgun.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_Remington_870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 aiming at a pensioner who's had too much to drink with a Remington 870. The side of the gun reads "Slug Gun" even though you can't use anything but buckshot in this firearm.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_Remington_870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|One of Don Fernando Delgado's winery guards with a Remington 870.]]

== SPAS-12 ==

The [[SPAS 12|SPAS-12]] appears in the game as the "SP12 Shotgun", it can be modified with a large variety of accessories, such as a buttstock, an Aimpoint sight, a detachable box magazine and even a sound suppressor.
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12, 12-gauge]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - SPASInven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - SPASFir.jpg|thumb|none|600px|47 holds the heavily customized SPAS-12. This one with suppressor, Aimpoint and LAM.]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - SPASIThir.jpg|thumb|none|600px|47 holds the [[SPAS 12|SPAS-12]] in his hideout.]]

How it's possible to put a supressor into a shotgun?
:It's possible to attach a suppressor to a shotgun. It's not particularly quiet, but it's possible.

=Assault Rifles/Battle Rifles=

== FN F2000 ==

The [[FN F2000]] appears in the game as the "F2000." It uses generic "Rifle Ammo," has a hollow carry handle in place of the usual scope, and possesses a 20-round magazine. This assault rifle can be found in a security room in the "Death on the Mississippi" mission (a note attached to the rifle bizarrely justifies its out-of-place nature as a "gator hunting aid"), and is also carried in a briefcase by the CIA Agent Anthony Martinez in the "A Dance with the Devil" mission.

[[Image:F2000.jpg‎|thumb|380px|none|FN F2000, 5.56x45 NATO]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_FN_F2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The FN F2000 in Agent 47's inventory. It's odd that they found the polygon budget to model the unique casing ejection port (despite the fact that ejected casings are not visible when firing weapons), but didn't model the scope (which would make this non-customizable gun a more attractive choice).]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_FN_F2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the FN F2000 at the Franchise assassin Maynard John.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_FN_F2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 poses for the non-existent cameras with his FN F2000.]]

== M4A1 Carbine ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M4 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] appears in the game, it can modified with a large variety of accessories, such as a Beta C-MAG, a red dot sight, an ACOG scope, sound suppressors, and a vertical foregrip. It is the only assault rifle in the game that can use 30 round magazines--all others are forced to use 20 round magazines.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above). - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - M4Inven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - M4Fir.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - M4Thir.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M14 ==
The [[M14 Rifle|M14]] is used by U.S. Marines in the mission "Amendment XXV." The ingame model is restricted to semiautomatic fire, uses generic "Rifle Ammo," and appears to use a 10 round magazine, yet it holds 20 rounds.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_M14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M14 Battle Rifle in First Person View.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_M14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine patrolling the White House with an M14 Battle Rifle, little aware of the "threat to National Security" staring at him, or the domestic one in a very high place.]]

== SIG SG 552 ==

The [[SIG SG 550#SIG SG 552|SIG SG 552]] appears in the game as the "SG552." It is chambered in generic "Rifle Ammo" and sports a 20-round magazine. This weapon can only be found in Mark Purayah II's office in "The Murder of Crows" level.

[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SIG SG 552 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_SG_552.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SIG SG 552 in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SG_552.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 massacring a murder of crow-suited guards with the SG 552.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SG_552_(Side_Detail).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Despite the accessory rail and the fact that the engraving on the side reads "SG 552 Custom," this assault rifle cannot actually be customized.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_SG_552.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SG 552 leaning against Mark Purayah II's desk, next to some boxes of Rifle Ammo.]]

== Short Magazine Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.I ==

The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield]] can be seen in the "Curtains Down" level, it is seen being used as an opera prop and cannot be fired. However, by using a hex editor or Action Replay CD to add this weapon to the inventory, it can be used as a weapon. It uses generic "Rifle Ammo" and is fairly inaccurate.

[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_SMLE_Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SMLE Mk. III battle rifle in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_SMLE_Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An opera actor at the ''Palais Garnier'' in Paris cowering with his prop SMLE Mk. III rifle. Only a prop gun would be light enough to be held by two fingers, and then again, the ergonomics of the weapon make this pose an extremely questionable one without falling out of the actor's fingers.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

== Browning BAR Mk. II Safari ==

The [[Browning Automatic Rifle Safari]] can be found mounted on a gun rack in Pappy LeBlanc's home in "Till Death Do Us Part". Referred to in-game as the "Elephant Gun".

[[Image:Browning BAR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning BAR Mk. II Safari, .30-06 Springfield]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - Eleguninven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney Elegun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney Elegunscope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Sako TRG-42 ==

The [[Sako TRG|Sako TRG-42]] appears in the game as the "Kazo TRG," is chambered in generic "Sniper Ammo," has a magazine capacity of 10 rounds, and is painted grey in the game. It is the rifle of choice for the biathlete-turned-assassin Raymond Kulinsky when he tries to kill the Secretary of the Interior in "The Murder of Crows" level. While possessing less crosshair sway while zoomed than the other non-customizable sniper rifles, it has only one level of zoom and a slower rate of fire thanks to its bolt-action nature.

[[Image:Sako trg42.jpg|thumb|none|420px|Sako TRG-42, .338 Lapua Magnum]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_SAKO_TRG-42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SAKO TRG-42 in Agent 47's inventory.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SAKO_TRG-42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SAKO TRG-42 in First Person View.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SAKO_TRG-42_(Scope_View).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shooting New Orleans policemen through the SAKO TRG-42's scope.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SAKO_TRG-42_(Bolt_Action).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Working the bolt action of the SAKO TRG-42.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_SAKO_TRG-42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SAKO TRG-42 against an old piano in Raymond's sniper nest.]]

== SVD Dragunov ==

The [[SVD Dragunov|SVD Dragunov]] appears in the game as the "Dragunov." It uses generic "Sniper Rifle Ammo," has a 10-round magazine, has black and grey furniture, and a scope with two levels of zoom. This sniper rifle can be found in the "Death of a Showman" mission, where it is used to kill 3 gangsters. It can also be found in a briefcase next to a laptop in "A Dance with the Devil."

[[Image:SVD-TigerCarbine.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|SVD Dragunov, 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_INV_-_SVD_Dragunov.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SVD Dragunov in Agent 47's inventory. Note the red-coloured scope lens (not visible when using the scope, and the muzzle with (alas) no hole for the bullet to pass through.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SVD_Dragunov.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent 47 looks through a hole, while looking to make holes in others with the SVD Dragunov.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_FPV_-_SVD_Dragunov_(Scope_View).jpg|thumb|none|600px|A view through the scope of the SVD Dragunov. Despite its two levels of magnification, the rifle does have quite a bit of crosshair sway when zoomed in.]]
[[Image:HBM_-_PC_-_3PV_-_SVD_Dragunov.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Idle hands aren't the Devil's workshop -- Agent 47 with a Russian sniper rifle is!]]

== Walther WA 2000 ==

The [[Walther WA 2000]] is the main sniper rifle in the game, it can be fitted with better scopes, a lightweight frame, a barrel replacement, various suppressors, magazine extensions, and a bolt-action conversion. While Agent 47 will manually load a new round into the chamber if the reload key is pressed in First Person View and the bolt-action modification is equipped, he will still reload by replacing the (now redundant) magazine if the reload key is pressed in Third Person View. This weapon is also the only rifle that can be concealed in a case Agent 47 can bring with him into a mission--while two others can be concealed in cases of their own, Agent 47 must instead find them himself in two missions.
[[Image:WA2000.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Walther WA 2000, 7.62x51mm NATO, 300. Winchester Magnum and 7.5x55mm Swiss. ]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - Wa2000Case.jpg|thumb|none|600px|47´s custom suitcase. With an upgrade it can also be safely carried through metal detectors, such as the ones in the games "final" level.]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - Wa20001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Walther WA 2000]] with sound suppressor and scope.]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - Wa20003.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - Wa2000Scope.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ]]

=Other=

== Beeman Break Barrel ==

This pneumatic child's toy can be found in the mission "A New Life." It can be loaded with non-lethal tranquilizer rounds, and is a break-open breach-loading single-shot weapon. If you bring this air gun on another mission, you only get a few rounds, due to the game only giving 2 extra "magazines" for each non-customizable weapon brought into a mission, which translates into very few darts for this weapon.

[[Image:BloodMoney - AIRGUNInven.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "Air rifle" in 47´s inventory.]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - AIRGUNFir.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - AIRGUNScope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:BloodMoney - AIRGUNThir.jpg|thumb|none|600px|47 carries the "Air rifle" in his hideout.]]

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Talk:Colt Python

2010-12-02T06:06:13Z

Acora: /* Okay. that's it. I want one. I'm getting one */

== Okay. that's it. I want one. I'm getting one ==

Yesterday I was in a local gunstore and there was a very nice widow getting her late husband's firearms appraised. Among the collection was a beautiful Python with a 6" barrel manufactured in 1958. It still had the original 1st generation wooden grips and that amazing Royal Blue finish. She let me take a look at it. It's balance was great and it's timing was still terrific. It was appraised at $1,700. Okay that was the clincher. I'm going to exert self-discipline and start saving up for a Python. If that means $1,500 - $2,000 than so be it. I'm getting one. And I'm under no illusions about how tough this will be. Especially when I come across a real nice S&W revolver. I can feel the pain already. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Good luck, mate. But, d'you mind if I brag for a moment? This Christmas, my grandfather is giving me his 6" nickel Python :) -SasquatchJim.

:I mean this in the best way possible. Shut up. LOL --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

::I wish you luck - I hope you're better at it than I am! - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]
::: Well as of Monday (11/29/10) I saw two Colt Pythons for sale. One at the local Cabelas and another in a locally owned gunshop. Both with 6" barrels and both priced between $1,300 - $1,400 dollars. Like I said it will require some discipline on my part and I don't know if I'll make it, but it's a good goal I guess. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I learned to shoot @ 13 with my dad's 6-inch nickel Python. He still has the original grips and package.
The first gun bigger then a .22 that I ever shot was my uncle's Python with a 2.5 inch barrel. I never really liked the look of snub nosed revolvers, at least compared to longer barreled revolvers, but I loved shooting that thing. It was a lot of kick for a prepubescent kid, though. Still, if you get the chance to buy one, then you certainly should do so. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:06, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

==Other Variants==
[[Image:ColtPythonStdBarrel.jpg|thumb|450px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 4" Barrel and factory Black rubber combat grips - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:ColtPythonRubberGrips.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Python with 6" Barrel and Rubber grips - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:Colt python elite.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Colt Python Elite with 6 inch barrel- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Pythonelite.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Colt Python Elite with 4 inch barrel- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:ColtPythonFlipSide.jpg|thumb|450px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:8in_Colt_Stalker_.357.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Colt Stalker - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Bruni_magnum_nickel_1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|right|Colt Python 380 - .357 magnum (Bruni blank-firing replica.)I just moved this last pic from the main page, but, I think it says 'Made in Italy' on it. So I doubt it's a genuine Colt. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC).]]
[[Image:Nickelpython.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Nickel plated [[Colt Python]] with 2.5 inch barrel - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:Pythontar.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Python Target with 8 inch barrel - .38 Special]]

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-12-01T02:43:52Z

Acora: /* Guts */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Weird though, since they oviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

AUA/

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

AUA/

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

AUA/

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Acora: /* Daryl's knife */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-29T05:11:38Z

Acora: /* Guts */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-29T05:04:44Z

Acora: /* Guts */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber rifle. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

Talk:Heckler & Koch HK45

2010-11-29T00:16:42Z

Acora: /* P30? */ new section

If there aren't any movies featuring this gun, I don't think we need a page for it.

== P30? ==

What, exactly, is the difference between this gun, and the HK P30?

Burn Notice

2010-11-29T00:12:17Z

Acora: /* Glock 19 */

'''#5 LARGEST TELEVISION PAGE ON THE SITE'''

''Burn Notice'' is an American action series that currently airs on the USA Network. The series stars [[Jeffrey Donovan]] as Michael Westen, a spy who receives a "burn notice" from his CIA employers, indicating that he is no longer associated with the agency. Michael finds himself confined to the city of Miami, where his only allies are his former girlfriend and gundealer Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]), former Navy SEAL buddy Sam ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and his mother Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]). As Michael finds the clues to why he was "burned" and who is behind it, he finds himself helping others in need throughout the city.

{{TV Title|Burn Notice}}
[[Image:Burnnoticecover.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice'' (2007-present)]]

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P228==
The sidearm of choice for Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) is the [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|none|300px|thumb|SIG-Sauer P228 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNotice Donovan.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A promo image of Jeffrey Donovan as Michael Westen with a SIG-Sauer P228 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BN-P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close-up of Michael's P228 in the episode "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BNsig228fire.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "False Flag", Michael fires his repaired P228 at a propane tank with an open flame attached to it.]]
[[Image:BNsig228clear.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "False Flag", Michael aims his P228 at the assassin.]]
[[Image:BurNotice GabrielAnwar.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|A production image of Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) with a P228 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1082.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Fiona's SIG appears to be a non-gun version.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael pulls a SIG.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 (Two Tone)==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] two-tone model is carried by one of the Nigerian mercenaries in the pilot and nickel models have been used by many bad guys including Michael's mentor Larry ([[Tim Matheson]]) in Season 3. In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Brennen ([[Jay Karnes]]) holds a two toned SIG-Sauer P226 (with a silver slide but black hammer).
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone02.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 (two-tone)]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeSIG-SauerP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the pilot episode, a Nigerian mercenary holds a (two-tone) [[SIG-Sauer P226]] on Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) while escorting him to the hotel.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 118.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael's wounded brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) has a two toned SIG-Sauer P226 (with a silver slide but black hammer) put to his head by Brennen ([[Jay Karnes]]).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 (Nickel)==
A nickel [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by the kidnapper Reyes ([[Steven Bauer]]) in Season 1's "Hard Bargain". Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) holds a nickel SIG on Fiona in Season 4's "Blind Spot".
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 (nickel) - 9x19mm]]]]
[[Image:BN-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", Michael gets a SIG put in his face by the kidnapper Reyes.]]
[[Image:BN-P226-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kidnapper Reyes ([[Steven Bauer]]) holds the SIG on Michael.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) holds a nickel SIG on Fiona in Season 4's "Blind Spot".]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is pulled by Henderson's bodyguard in Season 1's "Wanted Man".
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]
[[Image:BNsig226guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Wanted Man", a bodyguard draws his SIG-Sauer P226 on Mike when he takes his boss Henderson ([[Brett Cullen]]) hostage.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II==
In the Season 2 episode "Turn and Burn", the drug dealer Raul ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) carries a rare [[SIG-Sauer P226#SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II|SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II]] as his sidearm (when he isn't using a [[MAC-10]]). This weapon is also seen briefly in the Pilot episode in the hands of Boris, the wannabe warlord.

[[Image:Sig sauer p 226sl stainless steel.jpg|none|300px|thumb|SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 002.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Boris the wannabe warlord wields a SIG with a custom compenator as he intimidates Michael in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-352072.jpg|none|500px|thumb|A closeup of Raul's SIG Sport II in "Turn and Burn".]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-355275.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In Season 2's "Turn or Burn", Raul ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) holds his SIG on Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-355159.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]) is threatened with the SIG.]]

== SIG-Sauer P230 ==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a kidnapper pulls a [[SIG-Sauer P230]] at Michael.
[[Image:SigP230SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P230]]
[[Image:BNwaltherPPKsilver.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a kidnapper draws the SIG on Michael. This is a SIG P230 due to the lack of the thumb safety on the slide.]]

==Springfield Armory XD==
In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Omar Hernandez ([[Jacob Vargas]]) pulls a two-tone [[Springfield Armory XD|Springfield XD Service]] on Michael.

[[Image:XDBitone.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield Armory XD - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2726.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Omar Hernandez ([[Jacob Vargas]]) pulls a [[Springfield Armory XD]] on Michael.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his personal sidearm throughout the series. The Beretta has also seen use by various other characters throughout the series' run, in both suppressed and unsuppressed forms.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none]]
[[Image:BNberettaSam.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam pulls his Beretta at a possible intruder in Madeline's house.]]
[[Image:BNdoubleBeretta.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam ([[Bruce Campbell]]) taunts a gangster by holding the commandeered Beretta (an Inox) and Sam's own "gangster-style".]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] has been used by several characters, including 'Vincent' in a kidnap attempt in the pilot. Gabriel uses a 92FS Inox which he has Fiona strip down and assemble while testing her in Season 3's "Good Intentions".
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In the pilot episode, Vince the bodyguard ([[Chance Kelly]]) pulls his Beretta Inox before entering the house.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92FS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Vince threatens Michael with a Beretta Inox.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMrPyne.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mr. Pyne ([[Ray Wise]]) with the Inox, moments after he accidentally shot his own goon. The gun is a flash paper version of the Beretta.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike puts the Beretta in an evidence bag. "A crime lab's wet dream." he calls it, since Mr.Pyne's fingerprints all over it.]]

==Beretta Tomcat==
In Season 3's "Friends Like These" (S3E8), Fiona holds a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]] on Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]).
[[Image:Beretta3032Tomcat.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 3032 Tomcat - .32 ACP ]]
[[Image:BurnS3 215.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Friends Like These" (S3E8), Fiona holds a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]].]]

==Colt Python==
In the pilot episode, Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]), the drug dealer who lives next door to Michael, is seen with a [[Colt Python]] when Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) tactically invades his home and steals it during self defense. Michael later uses this stolen weapon to use it as a distraction device. He loads it up with blank rounds, attaches a flare, cell phone and a electric blasting cap to simulate gunfire.

[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]) aims his [[Colt Python|Python]] at the front door having no clue Michaels coming from the rear. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael loads up .357 blanks into the [[Colt Python|Python]]. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael inserts what appears to be a electric blasting cap into a flare that's attached to the Python. Note the cell phone taped on the end of the flare. When Michael makes a phone call, the cap ignites a flare that will heat up the rounds in the revolver and at a random time the rounds will discharge. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael unveils his succeeded project to Mr. Pyne. Note the burn marks on the cylinder are from the ignited flare. ]]

==Colt M1911==
[[M1911_pistol_series#M1911|Colt 1911]] series handguns are seen numerous times throughout the series. In the pilot episode, an M1911 is pulled on a Nigerian mercenary. In Season 1's "Fight or Flight", Michael relieves two cartel soldiers of their M1911A1's. In Season 2, a stainless 1911 is seen in the hands of Eddie the embezzler. In S2's "Rough Seas", another stainless Colt 1911 is given to Mike by the hijacker to defend himself with, which Mike uses to pretend to shoot Virgil, the ex-Navy SEAL. In S3's "Friends and Family", a very shiny M1911 is used by Mike's old friend Harlan in the new season's first episode when he kidnaps Mike and threatens him with it.
In the episode "Shot in the Dark", a 13 year old boy drops a disassembled M1911 before admitting that he plans to kill his stepfather.
[[Image:COLTM1911_1913.jpg|none|350px|thumb|Colt M1911 - .45ACP.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeoshi.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In the pilot episode, an M1911A1 on the left is seen being pulled on a Nigerian mercenary.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 032.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Fight or Flight", Michael takes some M1911A1's off of some cartel soldiers.]]
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainless.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Eddie the embezzler about to discover his 1911 isn't loaded with real bullets.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainlessBlank.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Eddie fires his 1911, discovering it is loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BNcoltFire.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Mike aims the gun underneath Virgil's arm and pretends to shoot him.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainlessFire.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Mike fires his 1911 at the gas tank of a truck while posing as a mild mannered chemist. His cover is blown worse than the truck.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColt1911-2.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Harlan shoots Rufino with his 1911. Due to its close proximity to the actor, this is probably a non-gun version. Note that Harlan's pointing the gun slightly off to Rufino's right for safety purposes.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColt1911.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Shiny! Harlan then turns the 1911 on Mike. Note the lack of front and rear sights.]]
[[Image:Burn 2705.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Shot in the Dark", a 13 year old boy drops a disassembled M1911 before admitting that he plans to kill his stepfather.]]

=="Pre-B" CZ 75==
In Season 3's "Partners in Crime" (S3E14), Conrad ([[Tom Nowicki]]), the Polish agent pulls a [[CZ 75|"Pre-B" CZ 75]] on Michael.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75]]
[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Partners in Crime" (S3E14), Conrad ([[Tom Nowicki]]) pulls a "Pre-B" CZ 75 on Michael. Note the rounded trigger guard.]]

==CZ 75BD==

In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Michael and his new "friend" John Beck use a Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]].
[[Image:Cz75bd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CZ 75BD (decocker) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Michael with the Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]].]]
[[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael holds the Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]] on his new "friend" John Beck.]]
[[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The CZ75 lays on the ground. Note the decock lever in place of the normal safety switch]]

== Desert Eagle ==

A [[Desert Eagle]] is seen in Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4) when Sam is being audited as proof of his trip to the Middle East. He took it from a guy which was part of a group they were targeting, quote "There was this thing, and then the gun didn't have an owner anymore."
[[Image:DesertEagle357Black.jpg‎|thumb|390px|none|Desert Eagle MK VII - .357 Magnum. The most commonly seen Desert Eagle pistol in films before 1999.]]
[[Image:Sam Desert Eagle Audit.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4), the IRS agent displays the Desert Eagle that Sam says is proof of his trip to the Middle East.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 115.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a gold plated Desert Eagle.]]

== FN FiveseveN ==
In Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back", bloodthirsty hooligan Thomas O'Neill ([[Paul Blackthorne]]) uses a [[FN FiveseveN]] to hold Fiona hostage.
[[Image:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
[[Image:FiveseveN_BurnNotice.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Thomas O'Neill ([[Paul Blackthorne]]) with an FN Five-SeveN while holding Fiona.]]

== Glock 17 ==
[[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17's]] are used by Miami PD in the many instances when Mike tricks criminals into being arrested to solve his problem of the week. In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", Prescott ([[Mark Sheppard]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] pistol with a silver (possibly hard-chromed) slide and a suppressor attached. In Season 3, Detective Paxson and Detective Lopez both have Glock 17's. Michael uses a glock 17 in "The Hunter". In Season 3's "Question & Answer", Sam uses a Glock 17 while playing a corrupt detective.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation- 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2043.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Miami PD officer with his Glock 17 Second Generation.]]
[[Image:Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Generation 3 Glock 17 with stainless steel slide and adjustable sights 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneSD.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", Prescott ([[Mark Sheppard]]) aims his Glock 17 at the bank manager.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneSDback.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The bank manager gets a Glock put to his head by Prescott.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneDisable.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike disables Prescott's Glock with a nitrogen spray-gun.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneXplode.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Prescott's Glock 17 explodes when he tries to shoot Agent Bly.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Question & Answer", Sam uses a Glock 17 while playing a corrupt detective.]]

==Glock 17 (Full Auto Conversion)==
In Season 2's "Hot Spot", one of Felix's thugs fires a [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto with an extended mag on Michael's armored car.
[[Image:Glock 17machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm - (converted to full-auto)]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2019.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Hot Spot", Felix's thug fires a [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto. Note that the weapon appears to have jammed.]]

== Glock 19 ==
In Season 1's "Unpaid Debts", corrupt cops are seen using "department issued" [[Glock_17#Glock_19|Glock 19's]], which is how Mike realizes they are police. In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Michael holds a Glock 19 he took off a Bulgarian in a drug deal gone bad. In Season 3's "Friends Like These" Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]) pulls a Glock from the trunk of a car that has been left for her, when she is cornered by Fiona. She quips that she always tells her buyers to leave two things in any car left for her: a duffel full of cash, and a gun full of bullets.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 19 Second Generation - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNglock19mike.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Michael holds a Glock 19 he took off a Bulgarian in a drug deal gone bad.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 217.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friends Like These" Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]) pulls a Glock from the trunk of a car that has been left for her, when she is cornered by Fiona. She seems to have a low grip here, but corrects it by the next shot.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 218.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Closeup of Natalie's Glock. She quips that she always tells her buyers to leave two things in any car left for her: a duffel full of cash, and a gun full of bullets.]]

== Glock 26 ==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", a Bulgarian who tries to spoil a gun deal pulls a [[Glock_17#Glock_26|Glock 26]] from an ankle holster.
[[Image:Glock_26.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 26 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNglock26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", the Bulgarian fires his Glock 26 at Seymour's sports car.]]
[[Image:BNglock26fire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The Bulgarian fires his Glock 26 as Michael and Seymour flee.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
A [[Heckler_%26_Koch_USP#Heckler_.26_Koch_USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] with a chrome slide is seen in the hands of several characters in the series. In Season 1's "Family Business", the gun dealer Ari ([[Guri Weinberg]]) pulls a USP at Mike in a club. In Season 2's "Scatter Point" (S2E05), Timo ([[Oded Fehr]]) uses one to coerce Michael into opening a liquor store safe. In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", the arms dealer Seymour ([[Silas Weir Mitchell]]) pulls a USP on Michael.

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Heckler & Koch USP- .45 Auto.]]
[[Image:BNuspClub.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Family Business", the gun dealer Ari ([[Guri Weinberg]]) aims his USP at Mike in a club.]]
[[Image:BNhkUSPstainless.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 2's "Scatter Point", Timo puts the USP to Trevor's head to coerce Mike to open a safe.]]
[[Image:BurnNS2 037.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Timo ([[Oded Fehr]]) holds the USP as Michael attempts to crack the liquor store safe.]]
[[Image:BNseymourGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Seymour ([[Silas Weir Mitchell]]) pulls his USP on Mike, proving he has a faster draw than his bodyguards at least.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|John Barrett ([[Robert Patrick]]) pulls his USP on Michael in Season 4.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Match==
A [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Match|Heckler & Koch USP Match]] is briefly seen in the hands of a gun collector, Jonathan Carver ([[Scott Michael Morgan]]) when Michael is fleeing the scene of a fake car accident in Season 3 Episode 3 "End Run".

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==
In Season 3's "Long Way Back", Fiona gives Michael her [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] with a stainless slide which he says is a .45 caliber. He then uses it when confronting Strickler. Fiona is seen using her USP Compact in Season 2.
[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Burn 5110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Long Way Back", Michael puts the USP Compact in the small of his back.]]
[[Image:Burn 5114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael uses the USP Compact.]]

==Heckler and Koch Mark 23==
A [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]] is used by Kent the smuggler in Season 1's finale "Loose Ends". Despite being a former Marine, he has a terrible low grip on his Mark 23. Maybe it's just too much handgun for him, or maybe it's so Michael will be able to easily take it away from him.
[[Image:Mk23.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Heckler & Koch Mark 23 - .45ACP.]]
[[Image:BNsocom.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Loose Ends",Kent keeps his massive handgun in his pants.]]
[[Image:Mark23.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Closeup of Kent's Mark 23.]]
[[Image:Mark232.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Kent threatening Michael with the Mark 23. Horrible grip!]]
[[Image:BurnS3 112.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a Heckler & Koch Mark 23.]]

==Heckler and Koch HK P30==
In Season 4's "Center of the Storm", Cole ([[Jon Seda]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch HK P30]] that he uses to threaten Michael as well as combat Matt Reece's Thugs.
[[Image:BurnS4 309.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Center of the Storm", Cole ([[Jon Seda]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch HK P30]].]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
The Stainless [[Jericho 941]] is a very common sidearm used by bad guys in the show, especially the head bad guy in various episodes. (It's almost like what the [[M1911|Infinity]] is to [[Heroes]].) In Season 1's "Family Business", the boss Eli Zamar ([[Joel Swetow]]) carried one, which Fiona recognizes as a ''"Desert Eagle 9mm with combat grips"''. Also, in Season 1's "False Flag", Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) uses a suppressed Jericho. In Season 2's "Sins of Omission", Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]) draws down on Michael with one. It is also used in the Season 3's "Question & Answer." In Season 3, a black Baby Eagle was used by the henchmen in "End Run" and in "Enemies Closer" and also is the gun used by Strickler in "Long Way Back."
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol in the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'']]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Family Business", Michael's brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) gets a Jericho put to his head.]]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Also in "Family Business", Jake Miller ([[Scott Michael Campbell]]) gets a Jericho put to his head. Note that this gun is missing its rear sight for some reason.]]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eli Zamar ([[Joel Swetow]]) draws his Jericho when he finds out what happens to his arms shipment in Season 1's "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BNjerichoSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "False Flag", Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) fires her suppressed Jericho at Mike.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Gerard ([[Max Martini]]) aims his Jericho at Mike who is pretending to be a mild mannered chemist.]]
[[Image:BNjerichoSPAM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Chandler stows his Jericho in his waistband before going inside his building.]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2055.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]) pulls his Jericho on Mike in Season 2's "Sins of Omission".]]
[[Image:BurnS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Strickler ([[Ben Shenkman]]) pulls his Jericho on Mike in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==Jericho 941FB Compact==
In Season 4's "Where There's Smoke" (S4E08), Jacob's brother Eddy carries a [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941FB]] Compact as his sidearm and is seen pulling it on Michael.
[[Image:Jericho941FBCompact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941FB Compact 9x19mm, This one is a Magnum Research Model, as it was made in Minneapolis.]]

== Kimber Pro Carry II ==
A [[M1911_pistol_series#Kimber_Pro_Carry_II|Kimber Pro Carry]] with a black slide and stainless frame is seen many times throughout the series. It appears to be an Aegis. It is first seen in the hands of a con artist in Season 1's "Identity". Michael describes it as having extended controls and a beveled magazine well, which shows how serious the criminal is. The competition style extended frame safety is noticeable in one brief shot. In Season 2's "Scatter Point", a similar firearm (possibly the same exact one) is used by Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]), the muscle of the bank robbery crew.
[[Image:KimberProCarryII_1911.jpg|none|300px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:BurnS1 028.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Identity", Michael uses the Kimber to shoot the tires of a patrol car.]]
[[Image:BNcoltCommander.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|In Season 2's "Scatter Point", Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]) draws her Kimber Pro Carry II. The adjustable sights are barely visible.]]

== Lorcin Model L22 ==
Victor carries a Lorcin Model L22 in .22LR as a concealed weapon. Mike calls it "cute," but it's enough to make him think twice about attacking Victor when it's held on him under a chess table.
[[Image:BNjetfire22.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Victor holds his Lorcin Model L22 at Mike under the table.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Makarov PM]] is seen in a display in a mansion in Miami, which catches Fiona's eye. As a reward for his assistance Mike buys it on the cheap and gives it to her for her birthday. While military surplus Makarov's are very common and inexpensive, there are some that are sought-after collector's pieces for various reasons.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", Makarov PM is seen in a gun case, alongside a Ruger Blackhawk, a S&W 629 Performance Center, and a Colt 1911.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1032.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona holds the Makarov she received as a gift from Michael in Season 1's "Hard Bargain".]]

== PSP-07 provided by Federal Ordnance ==
In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[M1911|Federal Ordnance PSP-07]], similar to the one used by [[Steven Seagal]] in ''[[Marked for Death]]''.
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07]]
[[Image:BurnS3 110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[M1911|Federal Ordnance PSP-07]] (seen on the upper right), similar to the one used by [[Steven Seagal]] in ''[[Marked for Death]]''.]]

==Ruger Mk I==
In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[Ruger Mk I]]. Pretending to be an idiot, Michael asks if it is a 357.
[[Image:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mk I pistol - .22 LR]]
[[Image:BurnS3 114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a Ruger Mk I.]]

== Ruger P95 ==
In Season 1's finale "Loose Ends, Part 2", one of Carmelo the heroin dealer's bodyguards pulls a [[Ruger P95]] on Michael at the club.
[[Image:RugerP95.gif‎|thumb|none|350px|Ruger P95 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1069.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ruger P95 is seen on the right being pulled on Michael in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 2".]]

==Ruger Blackhawk==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Ruger Blackhawk]] is seen in a display case in a mansion in Miami.
[[Image:RugerBlackhawk357.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Blackhawk .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Ruger Blackhawk]] is seen in the lower left of the display case.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Nate uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] in Season 1's "Old Friends".
[[Image:M36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1052.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nate uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] to scare off an assassin in Season 1's "Old Friends".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In Season 2's "Double Booked" (S2E08), Michael takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] off of Drew ([[Zachary Bryan]]).
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]
[[Image:Burn 5103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Double Booked" (S2E08), Michael takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] off of Drew ([[Zachary Bryan]]).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629==
In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Jacob Orr ([[M.C. Gainey]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] on Chandler when he wants to know what happened to the stolen painting.
[[Image:S&WMod6294.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 with 4" Barrel - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:Burn 265.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Jacob Orr ([[M.C. Gainey]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] on Chandler.]]
[[Image:Burn 264.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scott Chandler ([[Joel Gretsch]]) is threatened with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]].]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is seen in a display case in a mansion in Miami.
[[Image:Smith & Wesson Performance Center model 629.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 "Performance Center" with custom weighted barrel and scope rails .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is seen in the upper right of the display case.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686==
A Nigerian bystander pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] in the pilot episode.
[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 4" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nigerian bystander pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] in the pilot episode.]]

==Smith & Wesson 459==
In Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09), Michael holds a [[Smith & Wesson 459]] that he took off the hitman sent to kill him.
[[Image:M594.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 459 - 9mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2500.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09), Michael holds a [[Smith & Wesson 459]] that he took off the hitman following him.]]
[[Image:Burn 2503.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael holds the S&W on the hitman while taking a call.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4505==
The [[Smith & Wesson 4505]] is pulled by Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) to threaten Michael in Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09). In Season 2's "Comrades" (S2E04), Mike takes up a 4505 after disarming some human traffickers.
[[Image:4505.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 4505 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Burn 5106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[Smith & Wesson 4505]] is pulled by Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) to threaten Michael in Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09).]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506black.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike tosses the 4505 in the air before catching it in Season 2's "Comrades" (S2E04).]]

==Smith & Wesson 4006==
In Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1", Michael gives a stainless [[Smith_%26_Wesson_4000_pistol_series#Smith_.26_Wesson_4006|S&W 4006]] to his younger brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) to protect himself and their mother. Madeline later is seen holding it when she and Nate go to Michael's place.
[[Image:S&W 4006.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 4006 .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1", Michael gives the S&W to Nate.]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506nate.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) fires his 4006 to hold off some mercenaries in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
In the pilot episode, one of Sugar's thugs pulls an early model [[Smith_%26_Wesson_5900_pistol_series#Smith_.26_Wesson_5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]] on Fiona and Michael. Michael later uses it with a homemade suppressor to wound Sugar. In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", one of the bank robbers uses a late model suppressed stainless 5906. A similar one is also carried by the boat guard in the same episode.
[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|350px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm. The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1063.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1064.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires the S&W with his homemade suppressor in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:S%26W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNsmithStainless.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", the boat guard is disarmed of his Smith & Wesson by Sam.]]

==Taurus PT940==
In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", a member of Prescott's crew ([[Rodney Rowland]]) uses his suppressed [[Taurus PT940]] to threaten Prescott.
[[Image:PT940SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT940 in stainless steel - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BNsmithFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of Prescott's crew ([[Rodney Rowland]]) holds his suppressed PT940.]]
[[Image:BNsmithStainlessBank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The bank robber then threatens Prescott with his PT940.]]

==Taurus Model 85==
Fiona Glenanne ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) twists the cylinder of her stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] next to Mike's ear at the beginning of Season 4's "Hard Time".

[[Image:Taurus85.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus Model 85 - .38 spl.]]
[[Image:BNtaurus85.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona twists the cylinder of her Taurus Model 85]]

==Walther PPK/S==
Fiona Glenanne ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) uses the [[Walther PPK|Walther PPK/S]] as her usual sidearm.

[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK stainless - 9mm Kurz aka 9x17mm (.380 ACP)]]
[[Image:BNwaltherPPKfiona.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona with her PPK at the ready.]]
[[Image:BNfionaWalther.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona captures a car-jacker with her PPK.]]

== Walther P99 ==
A two tone [[Walther P99]] is used by the Jamaican drug dealer to threaten Mike in Season 1's "Unpaid Debts". It is also carried by a thug in "Question & Answer." Simon uses a P99 in "Devil You Know" which Michael take and holds to his head.
Along with her PPK/S Fiona also owns a P99 that she keeps in her apartment which Michael uses when searching for an intruder in "Shot in the Dark".
[[Image:WaltherP99_twotoneA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNsmith99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The drug dealer aims his Walther P99 at Mike, not caring that a police boat is nearby.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1047.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jan the Czech assassin ([[Ilia Volok]]) fires a suppressed Walther at Mike in Season 1's "Old Friends".]]

==Walther PPS==
In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", some of the bank robbers use [[Walther PPS]] pistols with sound suppressors attached. Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) is able to acquire one of these guns from a robber after sedating him with medicine from a first-aid kit; however, as the robber goes down, he struggles with Michael and empties all but one of the rounds from the magazine, leaving Michael with no other choice but to find another way to incapacitate or eliminate the rest of the robbers.
[[Image:PPS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNwaltherBrassCheck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike does a brass check on his PPS after looking at the magazine and realizing it is empty.]]
[[Image:BNwaltherSilencerOff.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike removes the silencer from his Walther PPS in order to conceal it in the back of his waistband.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Beretta M12==
The [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] are carried by some Nigerian mercenaries in the pilot episode.

[[Image:Beretta M12.jpg|none|thumb|400px|Beretta PM12S - 9x19mm ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In the pilot episode, a Nigerian mercenary slings his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]].]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeoshi.jpg|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary, now decidedly outgunned. Several other weapons are also visible in this scene, including a [[M1911 pistol series#M1911|M1911]], a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]], and an [[AK-47]] in the background. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12S.JPG|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary with his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] as Michael pretends to be sick. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12S2.jpg|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary escorts Michael to the men's room with his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] and another mercenary with a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]. ]]

==FN P90TR==

An [[FN P90#P90TR|FN P90TR]] fitted with an EOTECH Holosight is handled by Michael while he is posing as an arms dealer in Season 1's "Family Business". He refers to it as an "FN P90 with a Halo sight."

[[Image:FNP90wEOTECHsight.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|FN P90 TR with rail and EOTECH holographic Sight (this is a real movie 'blank adapted' firearm) - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:BN-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael checks out the "FN P90 with a Halo sight" in "Family Business". ]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW ==
A [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5K-PDW|H&K MP5 PDW]] is used by Sam to shoot a car belonging to a pair of con men dressed up as FBI agents.
[[Image:MP5K-PDWEarly.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MP5 PDW - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam fires his MP5 PDW without aiming. At least he used the stock.]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdw2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam fires his MP5 PDW without aiming.]]

[[Image:BNmp5pdwFire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam ventilates the trunk of an impostor FBI car.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
In Season 4's "Friends and Enemies", Michael is seen carrying an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] fitted with a scope when accompanying Vaughn ([[Robert Wisdom]]) on a mission to find an illegal gunrunner.
[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Gerard ([[Max Martini]]) is seen using a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] on the truck.
[[Image:HKmp5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight and safe-semi-two round burst trigger group]]
[[Image:BNak74u.jpg|none|500px||thumb|Gerard fires his MP5A3 at the truck driven by "Charles Finley." As with Sam and his PDW, Gerard doesn't seem to think aiming is necessary.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5SD ==
An [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5SD|MP5SD3]] with tactical light and M68 Aimpoint sight is seen in the hands of mercenaries in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MP5SD3 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmp5sd.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A mercenary with his MP5SD3 in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==
In Season 2's "Good Soldier", A goon employed by Max Lesher([[John Allen Nelson]]) prepares to use a [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] in a kidnapping attempt.
In Season 3's "End Run", Sam and Fiona carry MP7's when they break into Brennan's house. Fiona and her brother when they attempt to kill O'Neil at his hotel in "Long Way Home".
[[Image:Hk mp7 b-1-.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 4.6x30mm with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP7.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A goon brandishes a Heckler & Koch MP7A1 in Season 2's "Good Soldier".]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "End Run", Sam and Fiona search Brennan's house armed with Heckler & Koch MP7A1s, Fiona's having a 40-round magazine.]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Suppressed [[MAC-10|Ingram MAC-10's]] hidden in packing containers are carried by several of Prescott's men in Season 2's "Bad Breaks" (S2E13) who kept them .
In Season 4's premiere "Friends and Enemies" (S4E1), Michael wields two MAC-10's to try and intimidate a biker gang.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MAC-10 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:BNmac10.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", one of Prescott's men disguised as a parcel deliverer chambers his suppressed MAC-10.]]
[[Image:BNbankMac10.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another one of Prescott's men enters the hostage room with his suppressed MAC-10.]]

== Interdynamic MP9 ==
In Season 2's "Hot Spot" (S2E11), an [[Interdynamic_KG-9_/_Intratec_TEC-9#Interdynamic_MP9.2FKG-9|Interdynamic MP9]] is used by Felix Cole ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) to shoot at the armored car with Mike(who is posing as "Johnny") and inadvertently his own boss. The weapon is identified as an Interdynamic MP9 by its foregrip and simple rear sight.
[[Image:InterDynamicMP9.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Interdynamic MP9 with foregrip and telescoping stock - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNintratec.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Felix Cole ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) fires his MP9 at Michael's armored car in Season 2's "Hot Spot".]]

== Intratec TEC-9 ==

A variant of the [[Tec-9|Intratec TEC-9]] series of assault pistols (either the KG-99 or the TEC-9 itself) can be seen being used by thugs in Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4).
[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 9x19mm]]

== Steyr TMP ==
A henchman is briefly seen carrying a [[Steyr TMP]] in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".
[[Image:SteyrTMP.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Steyr TMP 9mm]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2074.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The henchman on the right is briefly seen carrying a [[Steyr TMP]] in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

== Micro Uzi ==
A [[Micro Uzi]] is used by one of Felix's thugs when they ambush Michael in Season 2's "Hot Spot".
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Micro Uzi with 32 round magazine - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmicroUzi.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The thug on the left fires his Micro Uzi in Season 2's "Hot Spot".]]

==Mini Uzi==
In Season 4's "Where There's Smoke" (S4E08), One of Jacob's thugs carries a [[Mini Uzi]] during the kidnapping attempt.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mini Uzi SMG with stock folded - 9x19mm]]

=Shotguns=
== Armsel Protecta==
In Season 2's "Breaking and Entering" (S2E1), Michael uses an [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#Armsel_Protecta|Armsel Protecta]] in conjunction with 'quadrangle buckshot' and FRAG-12 ammunition to destroy some computer mainframes and blow out a window, respectively.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta 12-gauge]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeStreetsweeper.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael prepares to fire the Armsel Protecta in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

== Mossberg 500 (Sawed off) ==
[[Image:Sawed-off mossberg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 with sawed-off barrel and stock - 12 Gauge]]
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== Mossberg 500 Cruiser ==
In Season 1's "Old Friends", Michael booby traps the door to his place with a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]].
[[Image:Mossberg500Cruiser.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser with plain barrel, no heat shield - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1048.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Old Friends", Michael booby traps the door to his place with a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]].]]

==Mossberg 590 Special==
[[Image:Mossberg 590 Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
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== Mossberg 590 Cruiser ==
Sam gives Michael's mom Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]) a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Cruiser]] to protect herself.
[[Image:Mossberg500 Cruiser ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1028.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]) checks out the Mossberg.]]

==Remington 870 Folding Stock==

A [[Remington 870]] with a folding stock is used by Fiona on several occasions. One with the full stock and loaded with incendiary rounds is used by Mike to scare off the guards paroling the warehouse where Victor goes to get the Dragunov.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Folding Stock - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeSPAS12.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona wields a Remington 870 in Season 1's "Old Friends" (S1E4).]]

==Remington 870 Police Standard==
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunIncendiary.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A snazzy 24-esque screen split shows Mike shooting his Remington 870.]]

== Remington 870 Express ==
Used by Sam on several occasions.
[[Image:Remington-870-Express-Deer.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Remington 870 Express Deer 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1080.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona finds a Remington among Sam's things.]]

== Remington 870 Pistol Grip==
Seymour procures two [[Remington 870]] shotguns for Mike and Fiona's assault on the bombers house. He remarks that he customized them himself, and that they are loaded, with the custom ammo he made for them. They are loaded with special water rounds used to destroy explosive devices without detonating them. They are the pistol grip versions without extended magazine tubes.
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
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[[Image:Rem870 twotone.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]
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==Saiga 12K==
In Season 4's "Center of the Storm" (S4E09), a modified [[Saiga 12K]] automatic shotgun is said to have been used in an attempted hit on an FBI witness.
[[Image:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Saiga 12K-1]]
[[Image:BurnS4 302.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Center of the Storm" (S4E09), a modified [[Saiga 12K]] automatic shotgun is found by Michael in an arms dealer's car garage.]]
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== Serbu Super Shorty ==
Fiona carries a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] while rescuing a kidnapped child in Season 3's "Question and Answer."
[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun - 12-Gauge with foregrip extended.]]
[[Image:FionaSerbu.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona with a Serbu Super Shorty in Season 3's "Question and Answer".]]

=Assault Rifles=
== AKMSU ==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas, one of the hijackers who steals a drug shipment for a fake heist is armed with an [[AKMSU]]. These weapons also appeared in many other episodes.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:BurnNS2 064.jpg|none|500px||thumb|One of Gerard's men picks up an AKMSU to open fire on Charles Finley's truck.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
A pair of [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] rifles are used by Carla's henchmen to kill several unknown men in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering". Michael later acquires them to be planted on some mercenaries framing them for the murders.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BNg36c.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Fiona retrieves the H&K G36C's from the back of Sam's Cadillac.]]

==IMI Galil==
A bystander in the marketplace is seen pointing a [[Galil]] at Michael's pursuers.
[[Image:GalilAR.jpg|thumb|300px|none|IMI Galil AR 5.56x45mm.]]
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==M4A1 Carbine==
In Season 2's premiere "Breaking and Entering", an ATF team is seen armed with [[M4A1]] rifles. In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) is given an [[M16#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] by her gun-running friend, Seymour. The M4A1 has been modified with an RIS-style rail handguard, a vertical foregrip, a AN/PEQ-2 IR designator system and a red-dot sight. In Season 3's "Friends & Family" (S301), an M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher, PEQ-2 IR pointer, Surefire light, Aimpoint CompM4 red dot sight, and 3X magnifier was used by Mike's "old buddy" Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]), a Special Forces operator, to fire into the windshield and engine block of an SUV to disable it during a snatch-and-grab op to kidnap a Venezuelan gangster.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1]]
[[Image:BNm4swat.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Breaking and Entering", an ATF team armed with M4 Carbine rifles sweeps down on a boat.]]
[[Image:Burn 2514.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Fiona exits Seymour's house with the M4A1.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) bursts out of a van with an M4 Carbine.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan covers the target SUV with his M4 Carbine.]]

== Colt Model 933 ==

In Season 4's "Guilty as Charged", Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) uses what appears to be [[M16 rifle series|Colt Model 933]] to shoot Michael.
[[Image:Colt m933 03.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 933 with Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) seen in lower left uses the Colt.]]

== M16A1 (with M16A2 handguards)==

In the Pilot, several Nigerian soldiers were seen carrying [[M16A1]] assault rifles fitted with [[M16A2]]-style handguards.

[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|M16A1 outfitted with A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BN-M16-1.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
 

==Norinco Type-56==
A rack of [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles are seen behind Michael in Season 2's "Family Business".
[[Image:BN-M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rack of Norinco Type 56 rifles are seen behind Michael in Season 2's "Family Business".]]

==SCAR-L==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is carried by Matt Reece's thugs in Season 4's "Center of the Storm". It's used when when Michael beats down the thug, causing the weapon to go flying in the air.
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnS4 313.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is carried by Matt Reece's thugs in Season 4's "Center of the Storm".]]

==SIG SG 552==
The [[SIG SG 552]] assault rifle is a frequently used weapon in the series. In Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back", Mike uses a SIG rifle when he and Sam go to rescue Fiona. Mike is seen with one slung over his shoulder in Season 3's "Friendly Fire" (S3E11) when repelling out a window. In "Enemies Closer" (S3E13), Mike gives a SIG with a scope attached to a drug dealer shoot up a car. Also used by one of Matt Reece's thugs and Matt Reece himself in season 4's "Center of the Storm."
Mostly recently featured in S4's "Guilty as Charged" by Fiona and Sam throughout the episode.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|300px|none|SIG SG 552 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Michael_Westen_SG_552.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires the SIG SG 552 in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==Blaser 93 Sniper Rifle==
In Season 2's finale, Carla's sniper can be seen armed with a [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]] as he takes out Victor.
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Blaser 93 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
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== Browning BAR Safari ==
In Season 1's finale "Loose Ends, Part II", a [[Browning BAR Safari]] is used by Fiona, fitted with a sniper scope, to cover Sam and Mike as they escape from the boat where Sam was held captive. Note this is related only in name and designer to the M1918 BAR and its variants.
its not a BAR more likely a browning hunting rifle.However it is actually called the BAR and is made by Browning. The famous military BAR is also known as the Model 1918 Browning Automatic rifle.
[[Image:BARhunt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning BAR Safari]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1072.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona prepares to fire the BAR Safari.]]
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona takes aim the BAR Safari.]]

==Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match"==
A [[M16|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match"]] fitted with a scope and bipod is used by Sam to provide cover in Season 3's premiere "Friends and Family", as well as when he and Michael go to save Fiona in the Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back".
[[Image:Bushmaster xm15 vmatch 20.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match" Note smooth handguard and absence of front sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnS3 101.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam uses the scoped Bushmaster in Season 3's "Friends and Family".]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2094.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam provides cover fire with the Bushmaster (here with a different scope and a laser sight) in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==
In the Season 2 premiere "Breaking and Entering", a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_SL8|H&K SL8]] rifle is used by a mercenary to watch over a deal, but ends up incriminating him when the police arrive. In Season 4 episode 3, Michael uses a suppressed SL8 to shoot out the security guard's tires. Later, Michael and Fiona use 2 suppressed SL8s to shoot Gio's engine block. This weapon is commonly used by Fiona and sam to provide cover for Michael
[[Image:H%26KSL8Tactical.jpg|none|450px|thumb|Heckler & Koch SL8.]]
[[Image:BNsniper.jpg|none|500px|thumb|The mercenary sniper is surprised to see the police show up.]]

== Heckler & Koch SR9TC ==
A [[Heckler & Koch SR9TC]] rifle is one of weapons seen mounted in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".
[[Image:HKSR9TC.jpg|thumb|450px|none|H&K SR9TC Sniper rifle with factory foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Burn 2510.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A [[Heckler & Koch SR9TC]] rifle is mounted in the middle in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".]]

==M-1A==
A [[M14|M-1A]] with scope and Sage Stock was used by Fiona as a sniper rifle when she performed a fake assassination attempt on Campos in Season 1's "Turn and Burn." This rifle was first seen in Season 1's "Family Business", when the gun dealer Ari takes Michael to his armory. Michael specifically refers to it as a modified M1A for "Special Forces".

[[Image:m14sagestock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M-1A]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael takes up the M-1A in "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael with the M-1A. This appears to be SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight).]]
[[Image:BNsemiSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona uses the M1A to simulate an assassination attempt in Season 2's "Turn and Burn". Her rifle appears to be either EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle) or EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle), which has a longer barrel.]]

==Remington 700==
In Season 2, Fiona is seen taking out Carla with a [[Remington 700]] sniper rifle.
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700]]
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==Remington 770==
Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) uses a [[Remington 770]] sniper rifle in her attempt to eliminate a witness in Season 1's "False Flag".
[[Image:Remington770Sport.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 770 Sport with Black Synthetic Stock and factory package rings and Scope - .30-06]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington 770.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]

==Remington 700 with AICS==
One of the preferred sniper rifles used by Michael is the [[Remington 700]] mounted on an Accuracy International Chassis System. In Season 2's "Double-Booked", he is seen using the rifle while wearing a wrist saddle shell holder.
[[Image:Rem700pssaics1a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 700 AICS with Harris bipod 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeAIAW.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Double-Booked", Mike assembles his rifle on a rooftop.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeAIAW-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike chambers a round in his rifle.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 03.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam uses the Remington AICS.]]

== SVD Dragunov ==
A [[SVD Dragunov]] is stolen by Mike and Victor to be used by the sniper, but it is never seen used.
[[Image:SVD_Rifle.jpg|405px|thumb|none|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm]]
[[Image:BNdragunovXray.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|An X-ray image showing the silhouette of a Dragunov sniper rifle.]]

== Winchester Model 70 ==
A [[Winchester Model 70]] is frequently used by Sam to cover Mike or to provide distractions.
[[Image:Win70-2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Winchester Model 70.]]
[[Image:BNsniperSam.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Wanted Man", Sam takes out a security camera with his Winchester.]]

=Heavy Weapons=
==Barrett M107==
In Season 1's "Family Business", a [[Barrett M107]] is seen among the weapons in Ari's armory.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG. Noteworthy is the holes in the lower part of the buttstock and the rail that runs along the top spine of the rifle.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1038.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Family Business", a [[Barrett M107]] is seen on the table in Ari's armory.]]

==Browning M2HB==
In Season 3's "Good Intentions" (S3E15), a [[Browning M2HB]] is seen being prepped by Mason Gilroy ([[Chris Vance]]) to be used for a particular job.
[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on M3 tripod - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:Burn 5117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Good Intentions" (S3E15), a [[Browning M2HB]] is seen being prepped by Mason Gilroy ([[Chris Vance]]) to be used for a particular job.]]

==M60==
In Season 3's "End Run", an [[M60]] is briefly seen as Sam and Fiona infiltrate the home of Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]).
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "End Run", an M60 is briefly seen in the foreground as Sam and Fiona search Brennan's house.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==
In Season 3's premiere "Friends and Family" (S3E01), Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) is armed with an M4A1 with an [[M203]] grenade launcher attached underneath. He is not seen using it in the episode.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|362px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) covers the target SUV with his M4 Carbine with M203.]]

==M47 Dragon==
Mercenaries in the employ of a heroin dealer use a [[M47 Dragon]] to destroy a car in Season 1's "Loose Ends" (S1E11).
[[Image:M47 Dragon.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|M47 Dragon 140mm]]
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==Milkor MGL==

A [[Milkor MGL]] is one of weapons seen mounted in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".
[[Image:MGL32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Milkor MGL.]]
[[Image:Burn 2510.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A [[Milkor MGL]] is mounted in the upper left in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".]]

==Fictional Gatling Gun==
A CGI-created eight-barreled [[Gatling Gun]] is seen firing from underneath an MQ-1 Predator UAV in order to assassinate a rogue arms dealer ([[Michael Ironside]]) in Season 4's "Friends and Enemies".
[[Image:BurnS4 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A CGI-created eight-barreled [[Gatling Gun]] is seen firing from underneath an MQ-1 Predator UAV in order to assassinate a rogue arms dealer ([[Michael Ironside]]) in Season 4's "Friends and Enemies".]]

=Other=
==Advanced Taser M26==
Fiona is seen using an [[Taser|Advanced Taser M26]] on a kidnapper in Season 1's "Hard Bargain".
[[Image:AdvancedM26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Advanced Taser M26]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1015.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona uses the Taser.]]
==Molotov Cocktail==
Fiona is seen throwing Molotov Cocktails on some cartel soldiers in Season 1's "Fight or Flight".
[[Image:BurnS1 030.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Last call, boys!" Fiona throws some Molotov Cocktails on cartel soldiers in Season 1's "Fight or Flight". ]]

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